/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

how do you draw arms without them looking like noodles or some bunch of tumors

i-i’m not a perm/beg/…

>>7098681
Who the fuck makes these?

Female pose

What if we're all in an anime? The story goes like: artist with big dreams tries to succeed with his creative aspirations, but the road takes him to unexpected challenges. He meets new people and new perspectives on life, but to progress, he is forced to face himself and overcome his past. And we literally the main character!

>>7098703
I think it's Pawell. He is the CEO of /beg/ after all.

>>7098706
What if you are actually a faggot

and a male pose for the gays

>>7098706
Isn't that literally what Blue Period is?

>>7098706
you can apply it to everything, they call it hero's journey

>>7098706
>>7098703
they do seem very pawell-y

>>7096681
I tried again with the straight lines first. I think it helped, but I don't know if I can translate it to my drawings without reference. I'll have to experiment

Why am I supposed to use my arm instead of my wrist for drawing? Why can't I use both?

Also... what the FUCK is rendering? I was in a voice chat with my friend and I didn't understand his explanation but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem dumb.

>>7098726
Rendering is applying shadows to your art to make it three dimensional

>>7098726
your girl have line contour and what is inside of it, filling this blank is rendering

>>7098726
>but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem dumb.
>actually being dumb to not seem dumb

ngmi ever in anything

>>7098726
"rendering" is when an adult is too embarrassed to say "colouring in"
you don't have to use your shoulder to draw literally every line, if you can successfully make the same line with your wrist and it's easier for you then just do that

>>7098705
Nice fat ass but nasty feet and cankles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcxXtsI4u8o

>>7098695
by learning anatomy and copying other artists that have figured it out and trying to embed their solutions for problems into your tiny brain

>>7098728
No, that's just the very first step to rendering

>>7098695
tomfox goes in depth during his book on the principle of suggesting structure/anatomy instead of trying to draw it all (point D in pic related)
in painting it would be the equivalent of varing your edges and values, but with line you can only indicate by being subtle

man how do I improve
I want to get good
but I have no idea if I'm actually progressing.
wish there was something that would guarantee good progress.

>>7098774
there is
a book called mastering drawing the human figure by faragasso

>>7097687

I didn't feel that rewarded just studying this but to the anon that suggested it, I did it.

I figured making the eyes bigger made her look more appealing.

>>7098778
shit that's a good-looking book
starting to feel like I got memed into doing this Bridgman one instead

>>7098781
What are you trying to do with the reference? Are you practicing accurate copying? Are you trying to redraw the reference from other angles? Are you attempting a memory copy? Is there something about the reference you like that you're trying to learn? There's a lot of different things you can be trying to learn from a reference, but if you're not sure what you're attempting to learn you're probably not gonna get much from the exercise

>>7098785
I'm sorry, I just decided to do what the guy suggested, as in a direct reference copy.

movement and dynamic posing sketch i did that im kinda proud of, anything I can improve?

>>7098781
>>7098791
that's much better in terms of overall proportion (but the head is narrower and the shoulders are larger vs the ref)
now that you know it's proportions, try changing the camera angle as you originally intended

ktd 4c, i only now noticed the closest eye is a bit too low. outside of that i kinda like this piece
>>7098706
id like to skip the filler and get to my character arc then

>>7098705

>>7098737
you don't need color to render

I'm gonna die alone

well at least some of my scribbles look passable to normies, i guess that's good? a good legacy?

i started strong drawing everyday and now i'm 4 days not drawing...i'm a dishonor to my ancestors.

>>7098818
>dies a permabeg and permavirgin

>>7098747
Lol thats pretty funny

>>7098709

>>7098818
Postem cuz

>>7098828
He's singing some Romaji lyrics that I didn't bother to look up till now, apparently it's from the Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA rhythm game? If so, it makes it that much better

>>7098837
>Those rythms
Verry nice.

does this colour scheme look alright?

i have realized that i don't want to draw, i just want to draw well, what do i do with this realization now?

>>7098867
no color scheme will fix a bad drawing

>>7098705
that was a hard pose

>>7098725
>>7098861
Took me 45 mins.

>>7098681
How do I copy art? I want to be able to replicate paintings by Van Gogh by hand

>>7098877
You are evil pawell that actually improves

>>7098886
>evil Pawell
So Llewap - le wet ass pussy.

>>7098725
that's definitely a huge huge improvement for just 3 days. Keep this up, anon. Hone your eyes and hand, like a bushido samurai. It takes thousands of drawings to get good, but if you focus on the right things, you'll improve faster than everyone itt

>>7098706
>What if we're all in an anime? The story goes like: artist with big dreams tries to succeed with his creative aspirations, but the road takes him to unexpected challenges. He meets new people and new perspectives on life, but to progress, he is forced to face himself and overcome his past. And we literally the main character!
This is deep, how many can answer it?

>>7097322
completed

>>7098876
Torso should be at least double the length, she has big tits

>>7098919
it would look nicer if instead of using the line tool you'd free hand it
not even the best manufacturing processes give you forms that straight, so it becomes uncanny if it doesn't have some amount of organic bevel
nice work anyways

>>7098923
uhmmm bro... these are medium size at best

>>7098927
Then you should elongate the torso by a medium amount, say 30 percent.

>>7098897
thanks. I think I the light rendering came out really well, that's the biggest difference. and yeah, this is merely one step, there's a billion more to the top
>>7098877
I really love how you break down the process in your drawings. could you talk a bit about it? I assume your gesture part is super fast

>>7098925
thanks. I'll work on making the edges look bevelled next time.

>>7098915
anon please tell me how do you learn to draw hair

Did another head study. I feel I got the angles down better but the features I rushed and gave up on as I wanted to draw something more fun.


A request: Please point out how to correct it rather than just saying "muh symbol". I could even tell that the left eye looked deformed along with a bunch of inaccuracies.

>>7098993
for Loomis, as I remember, the division between the front plane and side plane of the face is made at the outer edges of the brow ridge. also pay attention to the relative, two-dimensional relationships between different landmarks of the face: the bottom of the ear with the bottom of the nose, say; or the top of the ear and the top of the nose; or the top of the nose and the bottom of the left eye, etc. these relative differences are important in properly placing the features. once I set up the outline proportions of the face, I start with the nose. then I look at its vertical relation with the brow ridge and the nose, then work my way from there. whatever you start with doesn't necessarily matter - figure out what works for you - but you want to always be conscious of the two-dimensional relationship between different features.

>>7098993
Learn your landmarks and check the direction the lines connect
Things that stick out of the form like the cheek are important for the viewer to make sense of the form
The eyes wides point will usally be at the pupil
It's a difficult angle, not only from bellow but she's tilted aswell.
The browridge is rounded but not a round, it's almost squarish so sometimes it's easier to round off a square form but with females you need to be carefull with that because they have more rounded than males browridges.

pls forgive image size today
30(31) days since i started drawing, still feel shit but at least i have vague ideas of how to do things now

>>7098993
The angles are wrong. Especially the ear and the eyes. The right cheekbone in your rendition somehow connects straight to her eye which is also wrong.
I’d recommend to do the construction sketch over the reference picture first than try to recreate that. And maybe start with easier reference, this one is quite hard

I tried that fwap head construction and made two characters

>>7098993
you can't really just paste some features on a curved plane in front and expect it to work
loomis gives a you a simplification of the human skull, but you can always check something like pic related if you struggle to understand the structure

>>7098915
>paper on clipboard
shit can I just go get an old clipboard and do away with the need for a sketchbook altogether?

>>7099032
>can I
you always could've. I like sketchbooks as a simple means of grouping different pieces of paper, but I'm sure you could find ways of grouping individual printer paper and storing them that works for you. it's certainly cheaper.

>>7099018
>>7099020
thanks for these, really helpful and detailed.
>>7099022
You got that right it's hard.
>>7099025
You mean like sculpt out the shape of the skull to an extent or?

>>7098979
It's all from reference, nothing to it. Start with a silhouette as with all things. You could divide it into bangs and back and where it splits on the top, if you want.

>>7099032
It's certainly a more stable/solid surface to draw on. I like it. And you get the benefit of attaching any paper you want to it. I've done watercolor and oil on it as well.

>Okay anon, you can do it, just go through a different book
>Get to this
...I can't do it

>>7099053
>...I can't do it
define 'it'

>>7099054
went from thighmonster to spooky skelly in a single joint

>>7099057
Yeah I kinda have this problem of not maintaining the same style

>>7098993
Can I ask what is your goal with these head studies? Do you want to draw portraits or anime or are you just doing them for the sake of it with the intent to get better overall?

>>7098705
I choked hard on this one. I couldn't really "feel" the form when rendering

Last night's flock sketches

>>7098829
Vilpooo chad

>>7099060
Stay in practice, in hopes I'll get better at drawing heads in general.

I mean it should be obvious.

Also, I don't really care to draw portraits, but I do want to draw semi realistic styles.

>>7098705
Really bad reference, same as >>7097735

>>7099038
>like sculpt out the shape of the skull
yeah

>>7098705
Also may be lens distortion, but the foot should be bigger

Just started keys to drawing exercise one A
I didn't have shoes i was at home and i took shower i drew contour of my feet

>>7099070
If you want to draw in a semi realistic style then you need to learn to planes of the face and actually apply them to your features, you can't draw outlines for the eyes,mouth and nostrils and call it a day.
Here's someone drawing the head using the loomis technique and the asaro head planes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5EoXnMr1k
And here's the asaro 3d model which you can use as reference.
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/asaro-head-9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e

Also I don't know how much time you've spent on that study but if it's a study try to spend a couple of hours on it, especially as a beginner. You don't have to finish a drawing in one sitting, try working on it over a couple of days if you don't have a lot of time to draw.

Does anyone here use a structured course to practice art? Similar to following a teachers recommendation of what to draw and how often, or do you just draw whatever?

>>7099084
I do
Mon: 4hr Anatomy
Tue: 4hr Portrait
Wed: 4hr Perspective
Thu: 4hr Rendering
Fri: 4hr Color&Composition
Sat: 4hr Design
Sun: 4hr Ink on Paper

and 2-4 hours each day on top for my own drawings. but sometimes i only do the 4hr study part if i feel tired. Only started to keep a schedule at the start of the year, the last few years i did it aimlessly

>>7099088
how the duck do you do this I just draw 30-45 minutes a day and complete a keys to drawing lesson

>>7099106
I enjoy doing it, i have a job that requires i work only 4 hours per day from mon to fri so i have a lot of free time.

>>7098993
I gave it a try from what I have learned from Steve Huston and Sargent because I don't like Loomis construction. This is more to point out the main points and ideas rather than to show my poor skills.

Houston: He usually starts with a sailboat shape, which basically is a gesture of the front and top of the face, he also adds the gesture of the neck (following the digastric and esternomastoid muscles). And as he says, the key is to keep the proportions (halves and thirds) parallel to each other (fuchsia lines).

Sargent: he focuses on shapes (light vs. shadow) that are later polished into value patches. to keep the likeness and find beautiful shapes, he relies on height vs. width and the shape of the skull (for example, instead of focusing on the eye, he focuses on the shape of the eye socket first and then if that is correct, he places the eye). Basically he blocks everything, uses straight lines and then retouches everything to give the likeness.

>>7099021
Based trad starter
Nice eyes

2 weeks since I've started drawing again. Had some week long stints over the years where I started draw a box or just did my own thing. I'm determined to stick with it this time.

I'm at the point where I can spot a lot of mistakes, but I lack either the skill or knowledge(probably both) to do it correctly. Kind of frustrating, but I'll push onwards.

Question to intermediates and high begs: How much do you actually draw from your shoulder and elbow? I try to as much as possible, but especially when I'm just sketching away, I tend to just default to drawing from my wrist.

>>7099114
ty, i'm close to 50/50 with trad/digital so far, trad's my preference but being able to digitally resize + move stuff around is OP for /beg/ learning imo
re: the eyes i just tried colouring them but it was my first time using ohuhu and i didn't realise the pen lids aren't even close to the actual ink, rip

>>7099124
I just realized that the shadows of the tassels above her legs are wrong. Should be on the right not the left.

>>7099112
not them, but the angle of the front plane in your rendition isn't steep enough; also, the lowest point of the nose has just about the same vertical value as the lowest point for the right eye (our perspective); and the far outside of the mouth aligns about center vertically with the bottom of the nose.

>>7099083
Oh this is really useful, thanks!

Bros am i getting close?

>>7099158
Hold on let me fix the jaw

>>7099125
It's all about messing around and finding what works, steady progress is what wins the race

true, thanks I miss the main gestural line and distorted everything kek, I need to find better ways to measure things on screens.

>>7099160

Give me crit

>>7099163
Jesus christ it looks like absolute garbage
I'm never touching this shading shit until i can shade an egg

a request from /v/ drawthread
no big booba this time

>>7099193
not a bad start desu, just break the shadows down into shapes and start off with light tones

>>7099199
I don't know how i fucked up this badly but previous sketches looked more 3d but second i shaded it he started looking like got squashed by road roller

>>7098705
Do we have a collage of last thread's pose drawings?

>"well, I will put on some music to kill the boring silence"
>dopamine overload causes me to look for harder songs and also completely kill the focus
Oh God

>>7098681
>Hoping everyone forgets the art I posted
>It makes it into the OP
Fuckfuckfuck.
Well at least these threads don't last very long. Should be gone in a couple days.

>>7099226
which one

>>7099227
Why would I tell you? You guys would probably just repost it again as a meme. Just laugh and move on, lil bro.

>>7099226
gay?
post bussy pic to prove the caption wrong

Is 3 years (started in 21 till now) too much spent being beg?
I mean i'm getting somewhere and improving at a some rate but i hope this year i'll become high beg minimum

>>7098703
Guy this was the second rough I made for that pic (I lost the first and feet due to poor organization), could someone point out the major anatomical flaws by drawing over?

>>7099240
you lack form

>>7099244
How do I grasp form? I just imagined sexy woman shape after placing down cylinders for the body

>>7099248
I do not SEE any cylinders, i see a 2d shape, what matters is what ends up on the paper in the end

>>7099214
Yeah I hope he posts it, it is very motivating and it makes it feel like /beg/ is a classroom along with these assignments.. I would do it but too tired rn.

>>7099250
That was my first rough sketch
Though in retrospect I shouls have started with lines approximating the body shape and then basic shapes

>>7098797
nvm we good

>>7098936
1. Gesture. Feel the flow of the body, contraposto. Do a light measure to make sure everything is in place.
2. Bracketing. Use ovals/spheres shape to build up the body. I tried to draw all the forms that I can see.
3. Clarifying. Go over the pose and give it more information. ex: the compression of the boby, neck tilt, all the landmarks(the end of the rib cage, clavicle, etc) you can see.

>>7098705
Maybe art aint for me bros

I give up. This shit is too hard and i'm an awful person who doesn't ever put in the work.
Good luck to everyone else.

>>7099304
Post your work, I will judge whether you are GMI or NGMI, after that you can give up

>>7099307
I don't even have any work. I don't do anything because i'm lazy.
I've been told by experienced people that i have "talent" but i'm just too brain-damaged and dopamine fried to sit down and do it regularly which is why i'll never ever be good.

Stop replying to retards

>>7099314
Sorry

>>7099124
>2 weeks
>Better than me at 3 months
Time to kill myself.

>>7098705
its coal...

Ok sorry for dtupidpost but this is a real question and if i can get actionable advice on this one i'm set for literally life.

How do i stop being a dumb faggot and start putting significant amounts of time into drawing?
Rn i'm sitting on like 2h a week(maybe)

>>7098705

>>7099334
>2 hours/week.
Damn bitch. That way to low. How about 2hours/day? How can you improve with 8 hours per month?

>>7099348
>How can you improve with 8 hours per month?
Can't and won't.
I have at least 10h ofnfree time every day so i could be doing WAY more.
I'm practically not even drawing at this point, hence my plea for advice.

>>7099334
Just copy manga for an hour a day bro. Don't bother coming up with ideas or studying complicated construction techniques. Just get your hand moving and memorizing shapes.

>>7099353
Find a drive to draw. Why do you draw? what's the goal? You don't have the motivation because you lack goal + disciplibe.
Join dad.gallery, and draw at least 1 hour a day for a month, then increase to 2 hours a day, then 3, etc.
You can also browse people's gallery for grinding tips and inspo.

>>7098705
>/beg/ thread
>here do heavy foreshortening
you did the same shit in the last thread, what is wrong with you?

>>7099330
I have to uncoal it
fuck fuck FUCK
its just 1p porspective it should be EASY

>>7099067
I am trying to learn from him.

>>7099334
force yourself to make at least 1 mark or doodle a day, eventually you'll start to build a habit. doesn't even have to be good. then move onto studies while also doodling from imagination (or just do the studies only if you feel too tired one day)

:D

>>7099055
Drawing that shit upside down.
Drawing in general actually, I said I'd quit before but nope had to see if I could again.

>>7099377
not that hard, just pick a line from the top edge and follow it as you go, then find a line connected to that one and follow that, etc.

>>7099376
cute!

After dabbling into abstract modern art, today I decided to pay homage to our ancient masters.

>>7099334
doodle a shitton, low expectations to keep your hand warm for battle.
>>7099258
>>7099193
Seems to me you are working way too small. There is no such thing as too big, work A4 size non lined paper, but you should even try A2.
Small size = making shit harder
>>7099193
Shading is a matter of time and carefullnes. Agree w other anon, for now just nail down shadow shapes and shadows in a sketchy way, worry about good finish later.
>>7099351
I am in no position to give you critique but I must say that woman is perfect, I see no flaw in her.
>>7099082
good, move on to next
>>7099021
The human figure is very very hard. I do not want to tell you to not do it because at laest you draw, but understand that usually artists learn by first drawing very simple objects from life.
>>7098950
It took me a minute to see waht was going on. You intended to show the guy sitting in water with a boat behind him. But it doesnt come through. What I see is a horror head floating in the air. Also unbalanced composition: foocus points cloose to each ohter and on one side.
>>7098915
Sweeet. Love the drfawrons

First drawing finished in 2024, what do you think?

>>7099389
>FOTM
I think you should try being more original.

>>7099385
yeah that's fair, in my defense my current sketchbook is A5 (8.3 by 5.8 inch) so most drawings are gonna come out super fuckin tiny

>>7099389
her thumb closest to the moon is on the wrong side + her eye seems angled a tad weird maybe? outside of that not a bad job

>>7099389
2 left hands

>>7099389
It doesnt look finished. The linework is all over the place and scratchy, and theres no shading.

>>7099389
>what do you think?
that you are slacking
draw more, anon

Do NOT ignore me. REPLY TO MY ART, GIVE ME A (YOU) REEEEEEEEEEE

>>7099409
which one is you?

>>7099309
You’re just afraid of failing at the thing you’ve been praised for so might as well just think of yourself as being talented but unable to do any work so you never have to deal with the emotional difficulty of failure. At least if you fail on your own terms by never trying you can comfort yourself with the idea that you could do it if you tried. Stop pitying yourself and allow yourself to make mistakes and just draw.

Sketch

>>7099373
awesome twewy fan spotted!!! i like how you drew the eyes. they feel passionate

>>7099364
>Why do you draw? what's the goal?
I have some cool ideas in my head that i'd like to get out there. I also think if i spend a lot of time improving i'll start getting even better ideasm
It's a pretty weak and vague goal though.

The ideas are nice but are they nice enough to warrant thousands of hours of practice? On the other hand, i do literally nothing with my time so any increase in drawing would be s net positive. If i don't draw for an hour then i'll spend that hour gooning with factorio on the second monitor. It seems to be the case that there's no point in not drawing given the alternative uses of my time

>>7099426
oh shit i love the style you did for the eyes in this, line thickness also feels really reminiscent of TWEWY. good job

Anyone know any good rendering videos for dummies like myself?

>>7098040

>>7099388
Cute art anon. She gives off the impression that she watches me in my sleep. It'd be really funny if she drugged so I couldn't resist her using me to get herself pregnant and we raise a family together haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_j3BunQ6AQ

Can someone tell me if the areola is in the right place on the boob on our right and also teach me how to draw nipples?

I am a complete beg, never drawn anything in my life. Where do I start?

i am determined to learn facial proportions and anatomy, since that is the main thing i hate when i draw characters in scenes. and it is really hard. 91 more before i learn anything, i guess.

>>7099455
draw my stinky anus

>>7099451
how to locate nipples:
locate the center of the collar bone at the bottom dip
Draw a 45 degree line diagonal to the collarbones axis

>>7097366

>>7099471
good gesture

>>7099472
TY!

>>7099460
:(

>>7099464
So basically where the green is? How much can I stray from 45 degrees in your opinion before it looks weird?

>>7099497
why are you not using reference?

>>7099497
Make sure the green line is parallel with the collarbone

does this look alright, first attempt at drawing from imagination in a while

>>7098927
NTA I think the torso seems fine. Double the torso length would make her look part snake

>>7099504
I believe he making fun of him for his tutorial

>>7099501
I don't know what that is I started drawing 3 days ago

First time posting here. I've been drawing for about ~8 years but only got decent about 4 years ago and consider myself /int/. However, I've never ventured very far into rendering and this is my first time in a long while doing anything like it. I am mostly ok with how it turned out but something feels off. Any advice?

Thoughts?
https://files.catbox.moe/667kx7.jpg

>>7099389
I like it. Looking forward to your second drawing of 2024.

i tried to freehand the pose and it didn't really go out well imo

>>7099193
>>7099193
When it comes to shading something that can be helpful is to close one eye and squint down with the other when you look at your reference you’ll see two areas a shadow area underneath the chin and light area other side of the head it’s this relationship that we want to put in our drawing. The other issue is you’ve made your shadows on the underside of the neck way too light I know why though your trying to get the reflected light. Making it too bright is a very common problem, it’s problem number 3 on the page I’ll link. https://www.dorian-iten.com/shading-mistakes/

The best way to solve this is to think of the shadow areas and light areas as separate countries your shadow values always want to be darker than your dark values in light areas.

Can someone tell me why this looks off?

>>7099502
Could you show me the proper angle here? I'm having trouble visualizing it because of how she she's curving her arms.

>>7099559
Is he vomiting rice?

>just draw
but... draw what? I'm just drawing lines cause I don't know what else to draw

>>7099568
rotate it clockwise a bit

>>7099592
Is making sure the nips are around ~90 degrees from each other a good way to orient yourself?

>>7099520
focus on b&w painting for now

Learn to separate light and shadow. Learn to spot core shadow, reflected lights, and halftones, and the ability to group them.

And most of all, learn to draw better. You're not nearly able to observe a reference well enough, nor put down shapes in the right spots, nor understand the anatomy of the face. All of that is a pre-requisite to rendering.

tl;dr you need more Loomis

>>7099607
Pyw please I want to know whether you are crabbing or not

I just wanted to let you all know that I’m still not drawing.

>>7099610
It’s the beg/int thread, of course he’s crabbing.

>>7099610
he really doesn't need to because nothing he said is wrong thing to do. its kind of fine. he told you how to make better

>>7099610
no need to crab someone that /beg/, anon

>>7099520
Looks good. I think you could improve it by adding more hard edges, particularly around the bony parts of the face like the cheeks and softening other areas (like the contour of the lips). You could also vary the hues a bit more by going warmer and more saturated in the shadows. And, you could push the values a bit more, darker shadows and brighter highlights. Here is a quick paintover.

>tried to draw my gba
What went wrong

>>7098747
Bob Clampett cartoon circa 1951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jnmfV3g9C8

>>7099660
This is awesome, but get it from different angles. Degas would tell you to draw your GBA from 50 different angles.

kek. notadvise/cantdraw

>>7099559
I prefer donuts.

>>7099227
My wild guess is the Sakuya one.

>>7099689
fuck that guy for threatening my waifu with a knife

Flockmod sketches.
Did I fuck up the cheerleader too much?

>>7099385
>usually artists learn by first drawing very simple objects from life
yeah I've been keeping that in mind, I got into drawing largely with character design in mind though, if I forced myself to grind inanimate objects I doubt I'd have the motivation to draw every day

>>7098681
Crit me... be ruthless.
My rendering is garbage so likely plenty of mistakes.

>>7099818
she's very small compared to those desks
her right lower leg is very long while her left lower leg is very short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoYl6sFd0Qc
lots of good tips in this video. succinctly clarifies a lot of beginner questions. this should be required viewing for /beg/s

Still working on this because I've been busy with moving
Almost done though, just need to adjust some features and whatnot. I also want to ink it but I'm feeling a bit lazy

How do you not hurt your neck drawing? I've only been doodling for a few hours and my neck hurts

>>7099669
I dunno about 50 but I will do some more

Critique?

Whats the appeal behind having an intentionally “ugly” art style?

>>7099890
whats the appeal of ugly things in the real world?

>>7099660
what went wrong is you tried to draw a GBA but grabbed an SP

>>7099900
gba sp is still a gba
its literally called gameboy advance special edition

>>7099373
>>7099426
extremely based nomura enjoyers

alright so 1 point perspective can be used to know the ANGLE of the z axis but how am i supposed to know the right distance something will be in the z axis?
>just eyeball it
I can but knowledge is power, eyeballing fails when you try to take it to extremes and play with the medium

How do I draw things faster? I literally just draw the shape of a torso/head about 20 times each and then decide to add detail and redraw them some more, add them together, and redraw them some more until they fit. I feel like I'm missing something.

>>7099908
You must be
Pyw

Jeez, this thread fills up quick

>>7099669
I like your stuff. Good to see some love for classic western cartoons and animation in here too mix things up

>>7099850
Looks remarkable, is the paper high-quality? Sometimes medium weight paper can be tough to ink properly.

>>7099888
what have you got against hands

>>7099922
cool, is this a series? I'd like to see the mechs in your style.

>>7099936
It's Neon Genesis Evangelion. I have a mech figure which i did a study of in the top right. The Asuka is all study too, except the bottom left, which is from imaginoo.
I would like to draw other characters and mech from the series. I spent my teen years obsessed with it. There's an event in Tower of Fantasy that is a collab with NGE going on right now, which reminded me of it

>>7099946
yeah I knew NGE but wondered if you had done a series of drawings in that style. It's great seeing notations like
>Asuka is a skinny girl
although I read it as autobio:
>Asuka is a skiing girl
The partial assembly of her uniform next to a fully realised sketch, various stances and head poses are all nice to see as well. Have you drawn a silhouette of the mechs before? It might complement your style. Are you using different grades of lead here or just using varying amounts of pressure?

>>7099530
Pls feedback

>>7099754
I like the ones with paw-gloves.

>>7099954
Shit.

>>7099959
Thanks!

>>7099365
If you never try to do something hard you will stay a beg forever.

>>7099962

>>7099607
>And most of all, learn to draw better. You're not nearly able to observe a reference well enough, nor put down shapes in the right spots, nor understand the anatomy of the face. All of that is a pre-requisite to rendering.
That may be because I didn't use a reference at all to draw that, I wanted to do it from my imagination. Should I stop doing that?
>>7099656
>>7099686
These look great. Thanks a lot.

>>7099965
how do we conserve the flow zone layer?

>>7099959
Faggot

>>7099936
>Looks remarkable, is the paper high-quality? Sometimes medium weight paper can be tough to ink properly.
Thank you! It's high quality paper, so I'm slowly but surely inking it right now. The paper is a bit too smooth for my taste, but its workable

>>7099952
Thanks for a nice feedback. I'll attempt to draw mechs some more and see how it goes.
It's just a dull HB wooden pencil (great for rough sketches), but I used some mechanical 2B for the lines as well. Also yeah, I like to vary pressure

Wait. Drawing was just design all along?

>>7100005
No

>>7100006

>>7100020
didn't mean to quote

>>7100006
Elaborate.

good morning fellas

>>7099607
I took your advice and did a greyscale version of it. The mistakes (especially in value) were immediately more noticeable so I tried to rectify those. Also, I'm doing all this on a phone. Do you think I'd perform better if i got a graphic tablet or a bigger screen?

>>7099379
Whatever you say

>>7098709
Feel like a screwed something up color or value wise. or maybe i choose the values too dark or maybe the composition it's just off, i don't know, it feels weird
Also made his head smaller so he could appear bigger, sorry manlet bros

>>7100112
>it's right behind me, isn't it? whop, whop, whop *comical scream* *laugh track*
You can frame the whole thing from monster mouth POV. Just like the viewer is inside if the monster mouth looking at the dual axe man.

>>7100005
no but drawing without design is useless

>>7100136
cases in point
>>7100112
>>7100082
>>7099905
>>7099656
>>7099388

coar

>>7100136
how do you draw with design?

>>7099928
Thanks it's really crucial to study 20th century cartoon animation esp. now that we can pause and draw screenshots in order to reconstruct everything. It's all right there to be learned.

>>7100154
read hampton

>>7100167
hampton doesnt talk shit about design

>>7100169
the book is literally called design and invention

Havent drawn today either. I should probably quit for good.

>>7100174
>I should probably quit for good
why?

>>7100171
watch out for my new book "anon should kys", now on amazon

>>7100167
>read a figure drawing book
why? what's the difference between reading hampton or studying from bridgman or other figure drawing courses? can you elaborate on the design part?

>>7100176
Because i dont draw either way. I just think about it sometimes and then try and fail and get pissed off and then reepat the cycle a month from now.
It's happened several times already and nothing has changed and nothing will.
I don't even draw and i should stop pretending that it'll ever be any different because that's just stupid

>>7100186
I was in a similar boat to you. I initially felt inspired to get into art around 2016, but because I was in college, had other hobbies I had already put more time into, didn't have much direction in art and had a very strong perfectionist mindset I would only draw for a few days in a row and then get pissed off and quit - only to come back a month or so later and repeat the cycle. I ended up drawing maybe 60 full days total before I quit for about four years. then in 2020, after working on myself and realizing that I want to live with as few regrets as possible, I made the resolution to get back into art and be consistent. there have still been some bumps along the way, but I have been on the whole consistent since then and since November I've been drawing every day. I was very pessimistic like you about my prospects, and while I don't know you personally, I would not be so quick to make the judgement that you are hopeless - even if most of your experience tilts you quite a ways in that direction.

>>7099850
holy mother of god, it is done
took forever to hatch the lower parts. Overall happy with how it came out, even though there's areas that could be improved

>>7098681
hiya, here's some cleanup shit that i worked on. (original art belongs to a kind anon from /co/)

>>7100153
I like it, good luck anon

>want to draw something serious
>have to look for pose refs again
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I think the head is too big

So while I was starting to do some practice, I decided to redo a face head study while also practicing the Asaro method (hence why the nose for the newer one is blocked out rather than a nose)...I tried my best to make sure the lips were not a symbol, but it was just so difficult. I looked at the shape of the lip and angle, and tried my best but I just couldn't make them look 3D.

I think the eyes are better but still crappy looking.

About to paint...

>>7100309
Painting is cancer.

>>7100309
Squint and it looks like a penis.

Is there a resource that has high quality images of classic art?

>>7100316
>Is there a resource that has high quality images of classic art?
you mean... museums?

>>7100317
How about for digital?

>>7100314
Anon, you might be gay

>>7100316
Wikiart has a lot.
Wikimedia commons too, sometimes

>>7100321
>doesn't have Edgar Ende
surprised there isn't a definitive source with everything

>decide to get back into drawing more serious poses
>end up with Proko's kangaroo
nice start, nice start

>>7100053
Right cheek is missing.

why is my shading so muddy

>>7100327
some nieche artists are just extremely hard to find. the first thing you are missing out on is using different search engines. try ecosia, qwant, metager, searx and others. Make sure to write his name in quotation marks. e.g. [ "Edgar Ende" artist ]
since he's German, also try [ "Edgar Ende" Künstler ].
second, if you are really into it, try contacting the websites where you acually do find pics of his works.
finally, art books and catalogues are maybe hard to find, but give it a shot. try whatever second-hand resale website is popular in your area.

>>7098705
My first drawing after migrating from Photoshop to CSP. Any tips on brushes? I used regular Photoshop hard brush with size and opacity control, round or square. Didn't think about brushes at all. But in CSP I didn't find any similar ones. Downloaded the most popular once and I feel I misused this one. The face is literally looks like pixel art, despite me working at 4000X3000 resolution.
It also looks stiff and face is horrible in general, but it's definitely not brush issue.

>>7100367
just use the gpen that comes by default, brushes really doesn't matter as much as you think, you could use a shitty ms paint brush and still make good drawings

Drew this today

>>7100048
Based geometrymaxxer

>>7100386

>>7100403
Good eye dude.

just keep going and it'll get better right?

>>7100410
yes, you basically have no choice but to learn if drawing from reference becomes a habit

>>7100418
thanks my nigga

>>7100426
as a black drawler i prefer the hard r, it sounds more professional

redraw of an old drawing of mine

>>7100194
Looks amazing.
If you want some crit, the chest are seems flatter, compared to the rest of the drawing.

>>7100427
thanks my nigger

>>7099365
It's just copying exercise, it's not life drawing and not imagination drawing. You don't need to know anything about foreshortening, observation and precision are enough. If those are underdeveloped, you are prebeg.

>>7100410
yep
https://youtu.be/Xj0lSGVgH3w?si=2PsIJZCozi-OQSnX

>>7100432
it's figure drawing you slimy fuck

>>7100141
>>7099388

Im the guy who sketched this, can you elaborate on what you mean so I can implement it for future art?

Holy shit am just making it worse with each attempt at fixing it

>>7100463
>>7099385
Yeah that's the problem
I start big on page but i keep erasing mistakes and over and over until i keep making it smaller
It's a bad habit of mine

>>7100308
kek

Mech head was the coolest part. Don't know if I learned anything else.

>>7098709

>>7100428
tummy sexo

To kick off my 5th month of learning, I did an original piece of some vtubers I like

Drawing random pokemon is a good way to learn shapes, right?

>>7099855
Get a stand and take regular breaks to stretch
>>7099908
Don’t draw them individually, think of the relationship between different parts from the beginning.
>>7100246
It’s starting to look more solid, keep going. But pay attention to your guidelines, you didn’t center the features on the center line. And review facial proportions too.

How do I get good enough to start making "my own poses" without needing reference pics? Where do I even get the idea for cool or cute poses?

>>7099455
Draw simple cartoon characters or cartoonish looking animals, or chibi anime.

>>7100112
I love this I need to take the renderpill

>>7098705
drawings from last thread

Sup beg, today i wasnt very productive, but i already like the new book.

>>7100493
its great way how to learn how to draw pokemons
>>7100483
nice
>>7100386
post this with flat coloring and hashtag #palworld and you will gain a lot of ecred
>>7100367
>upgrading from the most bloated drawing app to the only drawing app where brush engine lags
i mean, it is upgrade in terms of UI, but you could have done better
>>7100344
use finger or qtips for smoother gradients, use charcoal or oil based pencils for better darks and use eraser on highlights for sharper edges
>>7100308
that looks dangerous lmao
>>7100242
keys to drawing, pay extra attention to chapter about drawing 3/4 head. and perspective. and symbol drawing
>>7100216
this is why i am grinding figgies. i want to be free from that hell. at least for the bitch basic poses
>>7100194
i kneel
>>7100153
very nice use of line weight to boost depth. like a pro
>>7100112
i kneel
>>7099855
fix your posture. if you are looking up or down during drawing your ergonomics are bad. if you are tradchad you NEED angled canvas setup
>>7099818
nonexistent value range
>>7099651
booba
>>7099530
the body proportions are wrong. and if you want to draw drastic fetish like scat, there is whole hidden board for that with their own "beg" general in /trash
>>7099520
sorry to burst your bubble, but /int will never fail foreshortening on 3/4 head view (eyes too far apart)
>>7099461
at this rate you will spend more time drawing the gun than the thot holding it. /k is taking over you!
>>7099455
keys to drawing
>>7099196
>that booba in not big category
i wish all women had as big booba as this so it would be considered as "normal"

>>7100583
>attack on permabag

>>7100583
this one looks really good. keep it up

>Across this wide country there are many of
you in that predicament, You, also possessed of
that unaccountable urge which seemingly comes
from nowhere, want to speak the language of art.
You love to draw. You wish to draw well. If there
is any chance, you greatly wish to make a living
at it. Perhaps I can help you

LOOOMISSS

>>7100638
based based based

I think doing arms and legs first, then torso is giving me better results, also just using the circle tool for heads

I didn’t draw this weekend happy st. patrick’s day

>>7099064
can't say if this is drawn with pencil/marker or digitally if digitally what brush do you use ?

>>7100314
It's a very pleasing shape for anime hair/heads, sidelocks. You see it everywhere once you notice it.

>>7100728
Will not judge how pleasing it is but no, this much of penis head is uncommon

>>7100728
sidelocks are kino but the way the bangs extend horizontally beyond where they should end is what makes it look like a cock

Pawell, I have a question to you. So, you rigoriously stick to these books and post everyday as possible, all to the enjoyment of public.

But do you not feel this holds you back? Do you not often feel like you would take a day off, or get the idea of some amazing project in your head, or the desire to just experiment with random stuff? Obviosuly this is the opposite of you but yeah.
>>7100583

>>7100309
>>7100314
LMAO. She does look like a penis.

>>7100775
Kek, he in a trenches for so long your lame attempts at concern trolling will have no effect

>>7100701
Lol. It is the standard brush from Flockmod.

>>7100790
>2 years of minimal gain and a lifetime worth of ridicules
Everytime I see Pawell's work I feel better about myself. I know that I am not the worst /beg/gard, and I have the ability to change.

>>7100638
I started figure drawing for all it's worth recently too and thought the opening was pretty kino. I've read through it like twice already (didn't do any drawings from it yet) since I always read the book first and the book seems god tier

How do I draw cute anime girls

>>7100583
Dunno if its a good idea to tag a bloody drawing to palworld official twitter.

>>7100429
Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with your crit.
I fucked it up but it will serve as an learning example moving forward

Another mediocre flockmod drawing.

>>7100946
Gives me Gujira vibes.

>>7100428
COOM. Wish you had a twitter.

>>7099240
>>7098703
Guys, please. I made this on my day 4 as a total beginner, but I have zero fundamentals, I literally just made cylinders and tried to make it look like "sexy woman shape" and refined it about 600 times until it looked good. I tried to do the same thing with other poses and body types etc but they all look bad because I have no fundamentals. I just learned you can rotate move and resize individual body parts in photoshop and I started playing with it trying to get other parts of anatomy right, but I can't do anything with legs. How do people get started with the understanding human anatomy? I just found out there's a website where you can pose 3d models and I'm going to practice with it tomorrow.

>>7100950
>Gives me Gujira vibes.
yes it is

Also, literally the only way I can get started now is by drawing the shape of large tits and working around there.

>>7100972
Based. Mind sharing your large tits work?

>>7100973
Here is one I tried to make into a flat chest later by removing the tits

>>7100977
U getting there nigga. Just dont neglect base forms and your love for tits will push you where you want to be.

>>7100980
>base forms
I don't even know what those are. I did notice I was finally able to draw with my arm though

Fuck feet.

Any good booba guides?

Self indulgent coom.
Sling or inverse leotard?

>>7098709
>>7098705
I realize I probably should've drawn some more lines on the dude's body

but man, his axes were kind of tough to draw, especially the one in his left hand.

The girl's foot felt so damn weird drawing too

>>7100989
the small is cool but big is hideous

>>7101012
Traced

Seeing as Pawell keeps shilling Keys to Drawing like there's no tomorrow, I assume I should be avoiding that book like the plague? What's the actual good first beg book then? Just jump straight into Loomis stuff?

>>7101037
I did not trace it, I draw the basic shapes of the body as cylinders and stuff, copy and put them over the photo, then use that as a reference to draw the body over the shapes.

>>7101038
It's good anon, it's literally worked for everybody else. It's a million times better than drawing on the right side of the brain at least

Remember, the crabs only hate on you because they're too afraid to cross /beg/ mountain

>>7101038
Proko yt anatomy course too. It's very easy to digest a video a day. He may do a shit job at explaining but it does teach anatomy. But only after you learn the simplified body. I don't agree with gesture in the very beginning you should be fully focused on shapes volume and proportions. My reasoning is gesture requires you know the body simplified or it isn't doing much. But who am I all the art teaches bang on gesture and I'm just some random beg.
>>7101056
Crabs just blew my mind the other day though one guy called me a deathgrip ngmi and I was holding the pen very tightly and wa-la just like magic. My sketches improved more in an hour than they had in a month.

>>7098798
>>7098829
>>7098877
>>7099440
>>7099471
>radicalsoda can actually draw
What the fuck? Were you just trolling for the past 5 years?

>>7101039
So you still put in effort but it looks as bad as a trace

>>7101068
He does mid beg level studies don't get your panties in a bunch

Are you guys ready for the Pawell challenge? Will you prove yourself or back away from some work?

"No rules, just tools"
-Pawell2418

Anyone know where I can get the homework for krenz's 2023 perspective course? The upload up on course club never uploaded it.

>>7101030
>the small is cool
Noice.
>but big is hideous
Sad, but understandable.

Is there anything I could improve on or is it just the concept itself you find offputting?

Picrel is the sort of thing I'm going for.

>>7101079
>mid beg
PYW /pro/

>>7099278
It looks good for a beg, draw more and your gains will come

Spines, do we need them?
what a waste of time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWd7ri9EiXc

>>7101133
You're learning a style, just remember to pursue cohesion.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CANT EVEN FUCKING GET MY CIRCLES RIGHT FUCK YOU LOOMIS YOU CUNT I JUST WANT TO DRAW CONCEPT ART FOR MY WORLDBUILDING I CANT EVEN GET ON TWITTER POS LEVEL DRAWING

Please critique me on everything except subject matter

>>7101152
I'll try to focus harder next time i construct figures from imag, for now i'll just crop it and pretend that it's from 2 diff poses with cool paneling

also does anyone know some good anime construction method or mannequin for drawing from imagination. i'm using the bean with some construction and i feel like it's not that good. I think someone mention taco a couple of threads back?

>>7101176
no reason for eye bleach fill. some lines looks unnecessary but otherwise not bad

>>7101200
Eye bleach fill?

Man you niggers all need jesus. All you draw is coom. What's wrong with you? Can't you draw something wholesome and elevating? Why does your brain only operate on such a primitive ooga booga state?

>>7101231
pyw

>>7101231
If I wanna draw someone deepthroating goth girl cock, let me.

>>7101231
people don't like my cute and wholesome drawings on xshitter

>>7101078
Sorry you feel that way

So here's how my roadmap would look like starting as a complete /beg/
work on observational skill and somewhat accurate copies > simple shapes grind (drawabox/Peter Han) > construction/gesture > anatomy/rendering > choosing your specialization (be it enviroments, mechs, comics, painting techniques, colors etc.)

>>7101251
composition and colors are also fundamental skills

>>7101251
Looks pretty good but I'm a beg still on the observation part too so take my opinion with a grain of salt

>>7100583
stop giving advice

Some 2 min gestures. Keeping proportions right is the hardest thing how do you do it?

>>7101282
by doing lots of them, that's the advantage of gestures only taking 1-2 minutes to do

>>7100117
DB Cuter

>>7100996
N-nobody?

>>7100996
sling

Did OP not link his new thread again?
>>7101267
>>7101267
>>7101267
>>7101267

>>7101282
>how
Do it a lot, but don't force yourself to grind. You'll come to hate it. Do 5-10 a day That 1,8k - 3,6k gesture a year.

So, these are some incomplete studies I did of some statues, Ive being drawing for some months now and I can see progress but I also want some critique

>>7101903