/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7094438
Is this ic’s Renaissance?

>>7094438
At a glance the OP pic looks more /int/ than /beg/ and I don't like it. It's ableist and insensitive towards me and other pre-beg no-draw retards like me.

I've been symbol drawing and doodling since I was a toddler. I'm now two years past the legal adult age and have realized that I should learn to draw properly, especially since I'm a huge storyteller/writer and don't want to go broke paying people to draw my comic ideas for me. Primarily, I want to create simple offbeat cartoons, but obviously, I need to learn the fundamentals so I'm not terrible at it.

Since I've been drawing basic circles and squares my entire life, should I just move onto the studies portion of the hackmd sticky?

I posted this the other thread and got recc'd davidfinchart so maybe I'll start there once I get home.

My first attempt at digital art. I have yet to start getting into painting and studying values so I tried to go for flat coloring. Lineart was also far more difficult compared to doing it on paper.

>>7094438
Hecatia my wife

>>7094438
This thread's ethot

>>7094459
"Drawing basic circles and squares" only gives you the basic hand-eye coordination, you still need to learn how to draw what you see (copy) accurately, then move on to construction and then specific studies.
Take it with a pound of salt since I'm still only training my own hand-eye coordination now, but that's what my general plan looks like.

some more tomfox things

I don't see it talked about all that often, probably because it's a non-issue for normal people, but what about physical fatigue from drawing, what to do with that? I get it a lot more often now that I try to draw from the shoulder most of the time. Are there some warm-ups to help with that, or maybe exercises to strengthen those muscles in particular?

From the Superbowl memepost.

>>7094543
Get about 50 minutes of sunshine per day if possible. Walking helps too.

>>7094496
>>7094464
these look like fun exercises

>Self portrait thread died in the 3 hours in took me too slop this out
Welp, now you look at it as usual.

Big things that bother me:
>made my chin stronger than it actually is.
>more square in general.
>stronger brow
>smaller nose
>Seeing them side by side it seems my eyes are closer than they should be compared to the original.
>still feels like I couldn't express the depth/length of face I wanted.
Automatically glowing yourself up bros... we need to study more; look at this thing everyday and still can't get it right on paper, no excuse for the hair though that was just frustrated trash in the end.

>>7094564
It looks like if u took a photo and sharpened it. Don’t make the lighter details so dark

>>7094438
Is it over

>>7094575
I don't know why this is so funny
learn basic perspective and use refs

>>7094543
Take breaks to stretch and rest often. Lifting might help you be able to go longer but you still need to rest.

I'm trying to do some thumbnail sketches and sucking really hard, when I do images I usually start by construction lines and they work out alright, but this is for challenging me to see the whole silhouette first. Any tips besides git gud lmao

>>7094438
hurrrrgh i feel like i'm taking one step forward and 2 back

>>7094564
Top kek, I accidentally widened/compressed the reference to comparison checking the file, but still no real excuse.
>>7094574
I'll try again later, that was post removing much darker details too.
You right.

Today was not my day. Its over beg.

>>7094575
nice burger. and yeah pick up some fundies as other anon said. i recc keys to drawing
>>7094564
i like how you made yourself uglier in the drawing. i bet some armchair psychologist could make conclusions from that
>>7094546
art, i kneel
>>7094543
some drawers do calisthenics, swimming is also good for upper body training
>>7094460
i like it. you are just another proof if one can draw, the medium doesnt matter
>>7094459
keys to drawing
>>7093556
>Imagine being so arrogant you draw this and think you can advice on drawing to anyone ever
i am just a beg who says the obvious and unlike 90% of anons i PYW in case anons gauge skill instead of advice first. i dont crit work which clearly mogs me
>>7094601
construct and after do the whole silhouette? why do you think you arent allowed to construct??
>>7094602
to be fair the fingers are atrocious even in that 3D render

Anyone a fan of wamudraws?
Have you ever seen a vod of him painting? I can't find one anywhere.
He's streamed on Picarto before.

>>7094613
bro the heads are too small. their height should roughly be 8x their head

im pretty confident in my trad abilities but still feel like I can use improvement (also fun fact a kind anon drew this oc of mine and that drawing ended up in the op of the last thread, weird series of events)

>>7094601
>>>7094613
Thats the point of the exorcise, to do fast and lose sketches and not get caught up in the construction and focus on the shapes.

>>7094613
hey pawel, i get that you're just doing studies but honestly I kinda wanna see doodles you did for fun. you *do* do those, right?

>>7094460
nice! though there's something wrong with the right pauldron

critique please, is something wrong with the poses or anything?

trying to understand gibson, no I can see that he uses ink wash (or something like that), few the knowledge gap is crazy huge, thank god for youtube and competent art students breaking things down.

>>7094601
composition fundies may make things easier, try to fit the subject inside a triangle, follow lines, etc loomis creative illustration explains this rather well. Also this man is great at thumbnailing and explaining the process.
https://www.youtube.com/@TheDrawingCodex

My ancestors being given the gift of a protein rich condiment which led to them conquering the inferior ketchup and mustard enjoying races.

HELL KNIGHT INGRID

>>7094674
Cheers

>>7094438
Join dad.gallery today. You just need to post for 2 weeks (14 streak) to get approved.
What's the benefits?
1. Peer pressure. Seeing everyone getting good daily give you the drive to get better.
2. Create drawing habit. The site is very flexible. You can change your post frenquency to your liking.
3. Practical exercises, grinding methods. Browse through good artists gallery to learn there secrets.
4. Friendship. Leave supportive comments to your fellow begtards.
5. Crab free zone.

>>7094704
Join dad.gallery and draw with me bitch.

>>7094704
Lunatic soda is that you? Holy shit G M I

>>7094720
https://youtu.be/TH8w65T0PBY?feature=shared&t=43

>>7094716
But muh Tonyo?

>>7094704
You IMPOSTOR!!!

Wait a minute. I NEED to DRAW more Vilppu figures.

Is it okay to erase? If not, why?

>>7094716
I am slow and take several days to finish a piece when doing a full render. Does that count? Or does it have to be a new piece or studies every day?
Sorry for the stupid question. I am interested because I do draw every day

Is it okay to wipe shit out of my ass? If not, why?

>>7094755
Just need 30 mins of whatever. Studies, doodles, sketches, paintings, the Stardew Valley map that you spent 4 hours on, a clay miniature, origami paper craft, 3D model, etc anything that requires creativity.
You can also adjust the post frequency if you are busy.
Most people on Dad just mind their own business. Beg-tards, Int-ards, pro-tards all are welcomed.

>>7094742
HE'S STEALING THE SODA FORMULA

work's been killing me. but here are some scribbles; a few are figure practice (3 near the middle)

>>7094777
also, what's a good resource on color + light? tried going in blind and floundered

>>7094755
Yes. Just post the progress. Wip1, Wip2, Wip3, etc.

>>7094778
how to render - robertson
color and light - gurney
are pretty good

>copying a draw
>doing the structure
>it's literally always off
I do the body structure trying to copy the pose and then draw by observation in top of it with the image in front of me but i always have to redraw the structure or change it entirely. Is that common or what the fck is happening?

Tried to do a quick drawing under 15minutes.

I call it: Bloody Princess Mariel and her Toalouettes.

>Find the Taco book online
>It's all in Korean
So, do I just copy the pictures?

>>7094803
There are AI translation version on g.e-hentai. I think.

>>7094803
>>7094805
Sorry. I checked. No dice.

>>7094816
That's fine. The Pinterest has it translated in the descriptions.
https://www.pinterest.com/christineisnothere/propic-x-taco/

bunch of figures and shit
1/2

>>7094825

>>7094778
also would recommend Artists’ Master Series: Color and Light as well as anything from marco bucci

I tried drawing pixel art
It was really hard .
It's a baby wyvern with a slime next to it

>>7094861
>It was really hard .
So why was it hard? Don't they have a pixel art program that streamlines the process? Looks like I could make resources for a game that way.

>>7094803
copy the characters of the language too for good measure.

>>7094864
I am a bum i don't have money for aseprite and i don't trust steam unlocked to download it from there
So i had to use ms paint for it

>>7094866
>20 USD
It may be a worthwhile purchase if it helps.

>>7094861
I downloaded it from bt4g dot org. Work like a charm.

>>7094866
Use libresprite.
Or compile aseprite from source for free.

As >>7093627 from the previous thread suggest I tried to use more straight lines instead of curves. I think the result is decently better.

>>7094881
I think I use all my stamina on that because I couldn't make anything decent after.

>>7094877
>Use libresprite.
The use of all-text on the website gives bad vibes, is it really that good?

>>7094891
>is it really that good?
It's a fork of aseprite, do the math.

rake oh oats

it mostly about form. like fundamental thing, not 10 names for shadows ancients come up with. so to start a thing need to have form and you need to understand it somewhat.

>>7094914
Make her Chest smaller (not boobs but chest) it's too broad

>>7094704
Wtf soda actually got this better and this quickly too? Fuck, I'm gonna kill myself, this unironically mogs the shit outta me. Goddamn.

>>7094914
Now do Shuten

>>7094716
i logged back in for the first time in years and got a notification "formally disavowing" /ic/

>>7094613
You have terminal case of unrealistic goals. You said you want to be able to draw figures without need for a reference aka from imagination. However, even pro mangakas and comic artists with decades of experience and tens of thousands of figures drawn still have to use references from time to time. All pro artists use photo references, 3d models, some even just photograph themselves as a reference. You are going to spend years grinding your ungodly ugly figures and still won't achieve your goal. You already studied like 20 art books, just move on to drawing finished work you actually want to draw.
I know you won't, btw. The only reason I am writing this is to maybe save someone else reading this from falling down your path. You will keep drawing your surreal deformed humans and won't get closer to your unachievable goal. I just hope someone else will learn from your mistake.

>>7094930
Who care? I like people to see my shitty studies tgat why I post on both /beg/ and DAD. Bonus crits and comments. My identity is my own. Posting on /ic/ or 4 chun does not make me an /ic/, 4chun artist.

>>7094937
UPDATED MY JOURNAL

>>7094937
Vilpuu - "I don't draw outlines, I draw the forms, and they'll naturally create outline"
Pawell - draws outlines on every single figures.
I am taking Vilppu course and I can safely say to you that he did not learn anything from him.

>>7094946
any other quick rundowns you can tell from the vilppu course?
also why doesn't he has an animation-specific course despite working in disney?

>>7094930
lmao, what a reddit tier notification

>>7094953
He first teaches you to feel the flow of the body, contraposto stuff. Then he breaks the body in to different forms and teaches you how to draw thosr forms overlaping each others. After that, we will learn to draw different parts of the body, muscle groups, and finally finish the course with head drawing.
I am learing the drawing forms part. I dare say that I can now feel the flow of the body, and forms better.
He also has different smaller drawing courses.
>no animation course
Is this your gotcha comment? He taught animators to draw. The animators learn to animate from different teachers? Do you really think that the money hungry capitalists at Disney, WBros, etc would pay him just to sit there and do nothing?

Get A GRIP!

Bros 4th attempt
I'm getting closer attempt by attempt

>>7094965
Also previous attempt from the thread for comparison

>>7094966
Fuck i didn't attach

>>7094937
it is factually not true. You need to define what this ability to draw you talking about supposed to looks like because everyone have different idea how this imaginary work supposed to looks like, but if you not drawing for money nothing unrealistic about making satisficing images on a blank canvas. independent of what some one using somewhere. commercial work have different priorities.

The one on the left is me trying to fix it using the lasso tool and the one on the right is the original drawing. What do you do when you realize too deep into a drawing you messed up a critical measurement? Do you try to fix it or do you just run with it?

>>7094977

>>7094965
>I'm getting closer attempt by attempt
Yeah that tends to be how it works king, big congratulations on having a basic concept of practice persistence and not giving up instantly or falling into a procrastinating despair when it isn't perfect the first try, 9/10 anons on this godforsaken board can't even seem to manage that much and instead post endless threads "how do I do it exactly perfectly correct with no chance of failure the first time without any practice beforehand?"
Looking real good to me btw
Just remember it's very hard to get a close likeness in pure line work, since the brain reads faces as basically masses of lights and darks and recognizes them according to that, you really need to add values to get true likeness, see: Sargent and how he got flawless likenesses despite only basically smearing some paint on the page in precisely the right shape

>>7094613
>>7094970
You are full of bullshit Pawell. You learned nothing from Vilppu.
More of my Vilppu drawings. >>7093527

>>7094937
>You have terminal case of unrealistic goals
NTA but unrealistic goals are only negative in unmotivated struggling people
If your unrealistic goal is to become the biggest real estate magnate in your country and by the end of year 5 of trying that you have two businesses that are doing good and are planning to open a restaurant as part of your grand scheme to generate enough money to get into real estate, you're doing pretty good and your unrealistic goals are serving you well
If your unrealistic goal is to become an Olympic athlete well outside the age window that is usual for your chosen discipline and as a result of that you train like a superbeast and become one of the 0.1% most athletic people on the planet, your unrealistic goals are serving you well
I see this is the famous Pawell people scoff about in other threads. Hi Pawell >>7094613 if you keep drawing figures like picrel of your post you will eventually just start to have little eureka moments, which will snowball into you becoming excellent enough to do what you say you want as you build up your internal visual library
You seem quite motivated

>>7094980
>giving up instantly or falling into a procrastinating despair when it isn't perfect the first try
you really didn't have to call me out like that

>>7094623
NTA
I used to have a huge problem with drawing tiny heads too
Eventually you just get an eye for it and it never happens again. There's always a small degree of tolerance in the size of a figure's head because of natural variance (people's heads vary in size slightly IRL) plus the latitude granted by distortion (the viewer will often assume the head just looks small from their viewing angle and their brain will read it as correct because of that) so once you figure out how to eye it you're just good to go forever pretty much
Consider Michelangelo's David, the head is actually overlarge out of proportion in order to account for the distance from the eye of the beholder to the head; so are the hands. It still looks proportionally correct, even in some cases if you happen to get an angle on it from above

Fun pixel like brush

>>7094977
If it's a study and the mistakes are too huge I start over and try to focus on the part that I messed up to get it right, if it's my own drawing i'll try to fix it or at least make it appealing.
>>7094965
You are getting close but in my opinion you should move on to a new head drawing, 4 attempts seem enough for just one angle.

>>7094986
If you're going to give up anyway you have absolutely nothing to lose by making shit drawings and disfiguring your whole sketchbook with shit drawings
Just make fucked shit and draw the same thing 99 times until it comes out right at last
Literally just draw except "just draw and let it be bad"

Honestly I just wish I could be more accepting of drawings that "look bad" or that are "cringe" as the kids say. Way too high standards and as a result extremely unrealistic expectations are the brightest hurdles for me as a prebeg right now. When I was way younger it was really fun to just doodle and draw random shitty anime-style drawings without caring much about perspective or construction or any fundamentals except some basic proportions really, but now I've become so critical and jaded, and all the fun has been sucked out. Is it something that can be reversed, or am I doomed to never enjoy drawing again?

>>7094996
>the brightest hurdles
biggest*

>>7094930
>/d2g/ mention
I have a quarry to settle

>>7094980
Thanks, i've been trying to implement values into works but always forget to add or just never do as i feel like adding values would be polishing a turd especially if turd isn't as accurate so i'd assume its pointless.
>>7094992
I also understand that 4 may be enough but i want to try maximum once or twice before moving on since i got used to process and face. Idk i just really feel like it takes attempt or two to finally get it and if not i'll move on

Which the fuck is it?
Which one inserts under which muscles?

Wanted to focus on faces on hair today but got sidetracked with trying to draw head again. I did manage to draw an old guy from imagination though, so i'm pleased with that.

I've been doing that exercise from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain for a few days, the one where you freehand trace an image that's held upside down. I shouldn't expect much improvement from so little practice but the one to the left in pic related was done before the one to the right and is still better. Is this really helping?
Also, the entire purpose of this exercise is to train away symbol thinking, but even when stuff is upside down I easily recognize what it's supposed to be and I keep thinking about the parts I'm drawing.

>>7094985
The "good unrealistic" goals for artist would be
>to draw a masterpiece you will be proud of for years
>to get your work presented in a major gallery
>to publish your own comic book/manga and get recognition
>to become twitter famous and get rich from commissions
Basically whatever floats your boat and puts you on top from your perspective.
His goal is to acquire a singular very specific technical skill, which makes up only small portion of artist's skill set and not even top artists bother to fully master it. It's autism, plain and simple. Pawell just wants to do studies and he has no idea what he wants to draw. I don't care, what he does next. But other begs should be warned to not end up like him. Direct your time and effort into actually making art you dreamt of drawing. Use references if you can't draw purely from imagination. Do not get trapped in eternal student mind set. Do not wait for when you are "allowed" to draw. Simple as.

My goal is to get (you)s :<

>>7095049
You drew both, you tell me why did you squish the face on the one on the right. Her legs look nicer in the right though.

>>7095008
>>7095010
>>7095035
>>7095059
>>7094981

Holy gains, Batman. I remember when you couldn’t/wouldnt draw full bodies at all. Damn son. Good job.

>>7094930
what a fucking homo
i hope he gets beaten to death by a pack of niggers

hey guys i just got me a cheap wacom and want to learn digital painting and drawing using adobe photoshop any book or video course you'd recommend thank you very much im a total noob.

>>7095069
>using adobe photoshop
don't

>>7095069
Photoshop is very bloated. If you wanna draw I'd recommend Krita(free)or CSP(paid)

Getting used to a drawing tablet takes a bit of time. You don't have the eye-hand coordination yet. I'd recommend unplugging your mouse and using it as the mouse just to get more accustomed

And try to have fun. Don't be sad if your drawings come out bad at first. Everyone starts bad. Try to find something that you want to draw even if the quality is low

>>7095060
Thank you! Vilppu showed me the way.

>>7095058
Pic related is original lineart.
>you tell me why did you squish the face on the one on the right
I dunno I probably screwed up some crucial line and I ended up kinda fitting everything else in.

>>7095074
>>7095075
so any online courses or books i can use to learn?

>>7095083
sure, here you go https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=free+digital+drawing+courses

>>7095083
I wish there was a collection of resources and lessons somewhere, someone here should really make that

>>7095045
pec goes under biceps, right?

>>7094464
man fuck you and your shitty poses.

Here's a good one boys

Last one for the day.

>>7095069
Don't listen to the retards, photosohp is great if you can afford it or use a pirated version.

Start with drawing circles and boxes to get used to the feel, then some gesture drawings and perspective study

Have I gone too dark with the shadows? How can I make it less boring?

>>7095078
Well you got the body closer in the right attempt, it's the face that makes the second drawing seem a lot worse, try redrawing the face or just keep going with the exercises, progress doesn't happen in just a couple of days just as you yourself said.

>>7095100
Right, I'll just continue. But will this even help that much? No matter what art I use I seem to recognize it even when upside-down, maybe my brain is wired in a way that will make these exercises largely ineffective.

>>7095099
I think it's perfect, just make the woman stand out a bit more.

>>7095102
It's an observational drawing exercises, if you hate doing it just try drawing the pictures the normal way and get as close as possible. The exercise in my opinion is more for realism drawing so you don't draw portraits with symbols for eyes and mouth but with shapes rather.

>>7094951
Bro why u no reply toe in the previous threads!!!? Like BRUH I want to go to more of your work plz GIMME dat blog my good sir!!!! Amen!!!!!

>7095099
G^G

I got a copy of Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy then realised I don't know what I'm supposed to get out of it
"Anatomy knowledge" I guess but also it just looks like a handful of close-up scribbles per body-part, not feeling very enlightened

>>7095115
Somehow I feel like Jesus woman's feet need to be at a much steeper angle of the horizon line is at her chest. That, or the entire background ( including the horizon) needs to be centered lower around her upper thigh. With that out of the way, I also think that both feet should not be facing sideways the same way either, one should be rotated to be directly pointed away from us with the other remaining a side view...

>>7095115
I like the water part and the extra highlights, thanks i'll use it

>>7094916
this looks great, thank you

>>7094794
>>7094837
gracias

>>7094794
>how to render - robertson
NTA but is there a dl link to this anywhere that you know of
Drinking deep of the rendering kool-aid right now, could use it

not finished, not sure it ever will be

>>7095120

I draw the bridge man
I cover up the bridge man
I draw the bridge man again, but shittier
if I do this for another 500 hours maybe I'll get through the book. then I'll know how to draw?

>>7095140
libgen

>>7094916
What this anon means to say is that you need to think and draw in 3d before figuring out shadows and light.

I want to draw but literally everything about drawing looks too complex and difficult for me. I'm literally an ADHD; autistic special needs retard that doesn't know math beyond a fucking basic middle school level. Even just figuring out the perimeter of a rectangle was difficult for me.

What do I do? Every time I think about the fact I can't draw it makes me depressed.

>>7095170
You don't want to draw. Leave.

>>7095170
hi schizo. Just start doodling, try drawing a cup, and if you want to be really hand held watch the vidoe course of "The art and science of drawing" IT CAN'T get easier than following this. It even gives you the most braindead exercises before going on to drawing something like a cup. You can do it, anon, now go and draw.

>>7095143
Make the guy a skincraler or alien and the atmosphere more gray and make it a skinwalker ranch picture where the cow get's dissected alive and it organs sucked out by a weird tech/biological mixture of an unknown lifeform

>>7095170
SHOO SHOO SCHIZO

>>7095173
NTA but the main problem is basically this:
Braindead exercises and copying from life are too boring and empty.
Trying to draw what I want to draw is too hard and doesn't come out right.

>>7094799
anyone?

>>7095155
You have to be drawing your own stuff using what you are learning from the Bridgman drawings, not just mindlessly copying and recreating from muscle memory. What have you studied aside from Bridgman? His books are better when you already know the muscles and bones by heart.

>>7095172
>"I know you better than you know yourself."
Actually no, you don't. You are inside my head, you are not me, you don't know what I want or don't want. Take what I say at face value and offer advice or don't respond at all.

>>7095187
If you wanted to draw, you would be drawing already. But you're not drawing, so you don't want to. It's that simple.

>>7095191
That's completely reductionist and ignores several other problems that the person has and other difficulties they face when attempting to draw. It's a retarded non-argument designed not to actually address any persons problems they have with drawing.

I think I've done enough on this, tried to fix the perspective on some of those houses but i'm sure that most of them still don't converge on the horizon line. Rotating boxes and keeping proportions with the ellipse method is maddening, i'll try something easier and i'll probably use a perspective grid too to make sure things look right next time. Also the houses in the distance get small way too quick and i think i lost the readability of my values from my initial drawing.

>>7095045
In the back it goes latissimus then teres major on top then triceps then teres minor then infraspinatus and finally deltoid on top
In the front i forgot but i think the pecs had 3 different insertions and they went under the biceps and then deltoid on top
>>7095099
looks great, really nice shapes and colors
>>7094799
You get better at it as you draw more, you can also try to measure angles, negative space, proportions in relation to other body parts.
I also screw up my proportions when I do figure drawings, i just correct them as I go along.

Anyone have a link to some free (or pirated) transparent lingerie lace patterns? I refuse to do this shit by hand

So Loomis and KTD are good for drawing people. How about objects and nature, any decent book for these?

>>7095191
Then you might as well say I'm not interested in anything because I can't do anything.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to
do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing.

I won’t contribute to this thread.

>>7095202
SHOO SHOO SCHIZO

You have like 4 threads in the catalog. You are not here to learn.

>>7095202
>you might as well say I'm not interested in anything because I can't do anything
That can happen. Not everyone is a creator. Some are just consumers, and that's okay.

>>7095208
Well I'm not about to be one of them. Give me actual advice and tell me how to draw or don't bother responding to me at all.

/ic/ pl0x

>>7095211
mirin that death metal signature bruh

>>7095060
>>7095076
>his hate for Pawell made him improve
Nice. :)

>>7095210
You already are. Sorry, bud, but it's terminal.

>>7095215
>LOL I'm now going to meme instead of giving genuine advice xDD
Give me actual legitimate advice or stop responding go me.

Why you fags keep answering the troll instead of my real questions. Do i have to give a shitty bait to get answers?

>>7095216
No advice has or will ever work for you. No one here will give you useful advice.

>>7095195
Put something funny in the open window

>>7095216
This is genuine, heartfelt advice, aimed to help you reduce your suffering. That you don't want to hear it is another issue entirely.

>>7095199
Loomis wrote "I'd love to draw" for you.

>>7095227
>the one loomis book that is not freely available to the public
Ah, great.

>>7094621
It's this guy, right? Yeah I like him

>>7095226
>Give up
Is not advice.

>>7094623
8 heads for a ref of a regular woman? I like big mommas too but that's a bit much

>>7095231
It's not the advice you wanted to hear, but it's the only advice you need.

>>7095228
Just go outside and draw, break objects down into collections of simple forms.(Not physically, that's vandalism)

>>7095230
How would a robot even get fat, anyway?
>>7095237
>(Not physically, that's vandalism)
I actually chuckled. Thanks, anon.

>>7095239
>How would a robot even get fat, anyway?
Who cares, I'm never gonna fuck her either but that don't stop me

>>7095236
The advice I need is learning how to draw, which is what I'm here for. Genuinely, what does being a disingenuous shitstain weasel do for you?

>>7095231
Given your reputation here as a retarded schizo who never takes anyone's advice no matter what it is, that's the only thing you need to hear.

>>7095243
Then I'll refer back to this post
>>7095202

>>7095216
You rejected my advice of tracing, memorizing the motions of your hand and replicating it on a new page. Trace a picture a few times, do a trace that is just circles too(simplifying the picture into basic shapes) Then you are ready to try the offset trace. not blind, look at the pic and "trace" again, but with your hand on the blank paper, offset, like the paper is a no-screen tablet, and the picture you are copying is the screen, but look back at your paper, and back at the picture frequently while you do the new "trace". Are you going to try this? I can assure you it works, you have only one way to find out yourself if it works.

>>7095212
Ty senpai \m/

>>7095245
Then I'll refer back to this post
>>7095243
Begone. You don't want to learn anything and nobody wants you here.
Nobody understand a new program when they try it, but they put in effort to reach their goals. You want to be given skill without working for it and you'll forever be stuck as a sad little guy wondering where it's gone so wrong.

>>7095247
I'll be your fucking girlfriend

>>7095246
inb4 no it's too difficult i don't understand

Can we just ignore the nodraw attention whore? He's been doing this same charade for a year. Words are wasted on him

>>7095224
you do it

>>7095252
It's fun to poke him from time to time.

Dear anons,
Can someone give me a bug and i'll try and make some form of buff zfag villain

>>7095252
Not until he gives up. Because no advice will ever work for him.

When i'm learning observation. Do i draw complex and many objects in one scene or it's one object per draw?
Also what do i even learn from observation?

>>7095257

>>7095260

>>7095246
I don't know how to simplify a picture into basic shapes. I don't know what techniques I'm supposed to use. I don't know body construction, I don't know even know sketching techniques.

>>7095249
Do you think I would be here if I didn't know how to draw.

>>7095262
You don't have to do that part, just trace the outline if drawing circles and ovals over the image is too hard. Now are you going to do it? A lot of what you don't know how to do will become obvious once you put your pencil down and start doing lines(not cocaine, that's illegal)

>>7095267
I'm here and I don't know how to draw. But I am at least trying to learn unlike someone else here.

>>7095259
One object is fine, a cup or something is good, but multiple helps your sense of depth more. The more challenge, the more you learn. But don't overwhelm yourself. First draw objects that cover the basic forms, a ball, a cylinder(toilet roll), a box, a cone(icecream cone) etc. then get objects that are comprised of multiple basic forms, say a camera(cylinder and box).

^^

>>7095258
I gave up and you stupid niggers still whine. There’s just no pleasing you idiots. What are you, liberals?

At least be funny when you bait. This shit is embarassing

>>7095275
I see. Also when i'm learning this observation stuff i just draw it without any construction underneath, right?
Also i'm still curious what do i actually learn from this.

>>7095278
aww, he's playing, what a good boy

>>7095284
Well, that's the trick, drawing those basic objects you are training your sense of construction. From these foundations you can build anything, draw anything, become a god of your own paper world.

>>7095280
Wait, you're not Howie. Who are you?

>>7095288
I'm nega-howie. I'm what Howie would become if he stopped asking questions and threw in the towel.

>>7095294
Please elaborate

>>7095288
The “I’m not drawing today” and “I won’t contribute to this thread” guy. I gave up drawing back in October because you people told me I was NGMI.

>>7095296
Oh, okay. Then just stop posting here and you will be fine.

>>7095295
I stopped trying to draw, stopped looking for advice, but I still wish I hadn't given up, but it's too late for me now. I come to /ic/ everyday looking to pick fights with those who pushed me to quit, hoping I might drag them down with me. I'm trans btw.

>>7095298
No u

>>7095175
k, lemme get your meds first

>>7095299
>>7095283

>>7095182
I've only done the Eviston /beg/ book and some of the Dodson one.
never studied anatomy or the figure. just trying to learn so I can draw cute girls one day.

>>7095308
Don't wait for that day, draw them now. Keep up the studies, but be drawing cute girls regularly, they might not look cute to start with, but you have to start somewhere. Mastering anatomy will not help you draw cuteness, cuteness is a skill too.

help me /ic/, ive fucked up because ive said to my brother that i can draw and now he expects me to draw cover art for his music project. ive only copied photos and other drawings, i have no experience in fiugre drawing or construction drawing whatsoever. the purpose is to draw a statue overgrown by leaves, but i cant do it. whats the easiest way of making it look good, with my little experience? any help is greatly appreciated, you'll save my ass if you manage to push me in the right direction

>>7095335
Use AI and just copy that, you won't learn anything but you won't look like an idiot

>>7095035
>lunaticsoda is finally making gains
I kneel....

>>7095102
>>7095109
Feeling stressed today because I have an exam tomorrow but I did it again, used the eraser quite a bit this time. It's starting to feel like I'm beginning to put some parts of this lineart in muscle memory at this point, but I'll continue drawing this one a few more times. It's kinda hard to find lineart that's as easy to trace as this.

he's got CORN ON THE COB

Tried posing a digimon from imagination/memory. Do this sketches show form?

>>7095335
Literally trace. It’s What every hack does when They want people to think They can do art

>>7095335
There are gorillion references of statues on the internet, try searching pinterest. Draw from reference and then search for leafs references and draw them. Even beg should be able to draw it

anyone got models standing in strong, direct sunlight, need it for 4-A in ktd

>>7095270
I don't know how to do what you're saying.

>>7095381
very cool

I was on a 2 week break from drawing, and this was my first anatomy study since resuming...

It's pretty bad. I was drawing it on a stream and I kinda rushed it :/ Some of it was being rusty and forgetting how to construct her in a more fluid and less awkward way, but yeah my lines look awful (the reason they look like that is due to trying hard to get the shape of her legs down, though I was starting to learn before my break that I should do the basic shape first and then the exact shape of the leg.

I did some Loomis heads also just to practice those again. I am hoping within a month I can finally get used to drawing people so I don't feel so unconfident.

Regardless, critique away, and please try to do more than "Muh symbol" using the loose definition of it (it looking off doesn't equal symbol) while critiquing. I just need to figure out how to construct limbs better.

And I suck at drawing breasts still, it's a crapshoot if I'll draw them well or not.

If you are all wondering I spent about maybe 10-20 minutes on her before I had to move on.

>>7095394

Are good artists able to turn any idea into a good drawing, or are they only drawing good ideas in the first place

>>7095394
2

>>7095396
Trace. Just trace. Start with that. Do you know what trace means? Do you have google at your disposal? you can type and solve captchas, you can trace. And what isn't clear about my instructions?
Trace a picture, simple is best。
Now move the picture from under the paper to the side of the paper
Act out the tracing again, following the same path your pen took before, but without the picture under as a guide, the picture is now to the side for you to copy. If you get stuck, What part are you stuck on? Be specific as possible, and don't wait for an answer from me, think about what that answer might be yourself.

>>7095394
3

>>7095409
>>7095412
>>7095414
ayyyy thanks man

>>7095413
Are you talking about tracing directly from the screen, as in putting the paper on the screen and tracing, or looking up at the screen and then down at the paper?

>>7095394
4

>>7095394
5

>>7095416
Only one of those things you asked about is tracing. Which one do you think? I was talking about tracing paper pictures though, it's best to start with a simple printed black and white line drawing though(so you can see it clear through the paper)

>>7095411
Well, there are probably ideas that could exclude good drawing, but I think the best artists can make anything good. Like those pro artists who redraw their kids drawings

>>7095429
those kid drawings were good ideas to begin with, they were selected by the artist to redraw

>>7094438
Finally done!
If no one can find any problem in this, I would upload it to pixiv now

>>7095435
bro......................

>>7095435
those faces are extremely kekworthy

>>7095435
The girl with the white hair lower body is just...a bean. Otherwise it's mostly fine with some minor mistakes.

>>7095434
Ok well of you can come up with an idea that is so bad someone can't make a good drawing from it, I'm all ears.

>>7095445
>Otherwise it's mostly fine
based crabgod

>>7095435
Fri is reading a blank book? It should be a spell for something silly

>>7095435
Purple girls left leg has a right foot. That's not acceptable.

>>7095449
it's a magic foot

>>7095449
Ooof
Thank God you caught it before I posted it

>>7095435
dis nigga

>>7095447
which serial killer is this one?

>>7095427
I don't think I have a screen big enough to do this and I can't lay down my monitor.

>>7095260
Thank you here's your bug alien

Just finished this drawing

>>7095463
Bro, tape the paper to your screen. Or print out a picture, during daylight hours, tape it to a window to use it as a lightbox
>I don't have tape
>I don't have a printer
>I'm a vampire
I wonder if there are solutions to your problems, and I wonder if you can wonder. Do you have an internal monologue?

>>7095465
Cool, but give the hand some line weight too.

>>7095412
>>7095414
yeah it might be joever, kinda dope idea of squinting to find shapes though

>>7095461
nvm I rember

>>7095469
Drawing standing up make my back and my arms hurt from leaning over and my arms get tired too quickly.

>>7095464
Thanks

Not giving up

>>7095489
godspeed anon

>>7095513
index fingers aren't that long

>>7095513
huge forehead and her ear is way too up

>>7095517
>he doesn't have a finger he can attach a gun barrel to
ngmi

>>7095522
>ywn have a finger you can attach the barrel of a gun to

>>7095469
Drawing while standing up makes my back, arms and legs hurt. I can barely even sit up in my computer chair.

>>7095538
Why did you reply twice? I gave you an answer in the other thread. Every single excuse has been countered. There's nothing left. The only way through is to trace and draw now. You're done, absolutely defeated. It's the end of Howie hour.

>>7095544
Drawing while standing up makes my back, arms and legs hurt. I can barely type this post, in fact I called my mother over to finish it.

>>7095554
>>7095283

>>7095544
Actually you didn't. I still have no way of actually tracing.

>>7095407
I drew that earlier, and then I drew this a few hours later.

Weird how the quality and appeal goes from zero to at least 5 out of 10?

just give me another week i promise dude

Does it make more sense to spend 2 or 3 hours on a /beg/ portrait or do more shorter drawings? Asking cause I've been doing the former

did this

>>7095435
No intention to bully but why Frieren is a bean?

whats wrong with this

>>7095605
Its fine as long as you aren't painting

Guys, I'm losing my marbles over here. I can't tell what the difference is between ovals and circles and it's driving me insane. For the past hour I've been trying to draw circles and ovals while not getting them mixed up. Did I get it right? I honestly can't tell.

>>7095614
>>7095445
I have no idea why you guys say that but this is my old draft for this pose

>>7095621
Every point on a circle is equidistant from its center. Ovals are elongated along one axis.
>>7095614
Don't kink shame pls, it's supposed to be a safe space.

Is there a good quick reference for general proportions to keep in mind for various ages/sex, etc.? I find stuff on Google but I don’t trust art advice from there. I just want a constant reference to make sure like this character doesn’t have a fat ass head and arms that dangle down like a cryptic from a source I can trust. I know they vary person to person, but a general rule.

>>7095631
Loomis

>>7095636
Anything from this century? Loomis is a reliable old foundation, but out of curiosity. What’s the new, hot Loomis out there?

>>7095639
xiao weichun or tenten

>>7095639
>>7095639
Taco and hampton as well

>>7095435
You disgust me on a deep fundamental level. Frieren and fern are not even remotely sexualized in the anime, and for once we had a good, christian story and you dare to make degenerecy out of it's legacy? I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers.

Further attempts at rendering

>>7095626
a pose can be correct while still being shit to look at, it doesn't matter where her body is in your mind/sketch when in the finished artwork nobody can see it
also >>7095652

>>7095621
>>7095283

>>7095630
Thanks, this unironically helped a lot. I felt like I was having a mental breakdown trying to figure this out.

>>7095662
I wasn't baiting.

>>7095626
I prefer your sketch to your finished drawing
also that way she is stikcing out ehr tongue is making her face look weird.

>>7095661
I agree but it was already too late

>>7095671
All sketches look better because you can fill in the mistakes with your imaginations

I'm guessing it's pretty common to feel like the drawing is shit when you're drawing or right after you finished, but a like day later you look at it again and it's not THAT shit?

>>7095676
I thought I am the only one lol

>>7095626
It might be correct but it still looks weird, maybe move their legs a bit or and make one of them slightly darker so you know whose limbs you're looking at

>>7095626
Nobody said it was wrong, they said it looks like a bean, which it does

>>7095664
I'm not trying to be a dick, but do they not teach this shit in school anymore? That's an elementary school topic.

no progress thread

>>7095706
They do, but I'm weird. If you were to ask to draw something it's going to turn out worse than if I just did it on my own. What I was working on requires me to draw a oval, but I was drawing a circle instead; that's why it looked off.

>>7095714
Technically a circle is a special case of an ellipse, but I guess the point still stands.

>>7095626
>>7095435

for some reason timelapses always look cooler than the result, I blame social media

>>7095711
any advice on improving your observation?

>>7095741
feel the form

So this is the power of circles.

>>7095742
i'm trying anon but the form is a slippery one

>>7094951
Please draw more of this character, I can feel my love for jesus expanding into her breasts-er I mean chest. Where can I masturbate to more of your work?

>>7095722
Thanks again.

>>7095096

>>7095368
Yes but it feels inconsistent. I think some parts may not be in the right perspective relative to others but I’m still working on the same thing so not sure.

>>7095749
can you do your thing to these,

>>7095848

>>7095777
added colour

>>7095096
booba

>>7095891
don't get too attached to the set of appealing symbols you know
sometimes they won't work (like in this case with the nipples)

>>7095749
I usually don't draw porn and I don't have any socials of interest I'm afraid

>>7093934
I tried again and it only got worse. Though maybe if I just move the eye it might not be half bad...
I think I'm struggling to understand plumb and line. Comparative measurements sort of makes sense, just using the positions of other things to match up, and finding the midpoints is sorta easy...

>>7095891
how did you make her milkes bigger than the refs like that? did you just wing it?

I don't know where to ask this. Do you guys have some good Pinterest profiles with tons of references to recommend?

>>7095922
seems like he always does that

>>7095869
I can't not see it.

>>7095922
I equipped her with ballistics

>>7095735
nice! milk for the khorne flakes

>>7095598
LOL. keep on training my man

>>7095891
good but left booba should have been squished more by the left arm

Sup beg, this is last of vilppu book. it is good book, but not really what would help me. I cannot deny there is improvement compared to my old figgies, but its all still beg levels of suffering. The search of keys2drawing equivalent for figgies shall continue!

>>7094937
>it is not possible to learn drawing casual figgies
the beg comment of the week. on all drawing discord servers i am literally surrounded by ints who all do this, effortlessly
>>7095919
dont go crazy over this portrait, move on, the book still have a lot of them later
>>7095659
this looks like cover of CD music album, thumbs up
>>7095615
the shading of left flat part is too dark and same as the eye socket = it suggests the two planes are connected
>>7095613
cute thot, but whats up with the line?
>>7095605
personally i find it easier to do 1 bigger piece instead of dozen of small ones. the pauses between smaller pieces introduce breaks of flow + makes procrastination. no clue what is better for gains
>>7095489
nice thots
>>7095381
>>7095360
i kneel
>>7095199
>objects
Robertson How to Draw
>nature
Harding On Drawing Trees and Nature
Payne Composition of Outdoor Painting

sometimes I like to save art with mistakes that other people drew to look at later so I can make myself feel better. makes me feel more okay with skrewing up on a piece occasionally. is that a bad thing?

>>7095956
yea i won't go crazy, i'm just desperate to improve my observational skills

>>7095962
>is that a bad thing?
no. though beware of pride

>>7095956
My biggest advice for you would be
1) gesture drawing, specifically those sites forcing you to do quick 30-60 seconds sketches
2) construction and anatomy, learn to draw basic shapes like cubes and cylinders and how to freely rotate them, afterwards learn how to use them to build a human like it is some sort of Lego

>>7095962
Not the same thing, but I have a "boring art" collection on instagram. I think it's important to know what I don't want my art to become.

>>7095853
i want to impregnate the white hair girl spoon... draw more of her please, otherwise ill steal her design:)

>>7095980
kill yourself you worthless cuckold

>>7094778
Very cute petite little gorl, would impregnate.
Where can I masturbate to more of your work?

I'm trash
>(not really, while my drawing isn't up to my ideal, I am proud of the little bits of progress I've gained and I'm also enjoying the process)
I have no idea what to do with hands.
I haven't studied them yet
I even tried to recreate the pose myself and it didn't help all that much

>>7095983
How about no?

>>7095853
>>7095980
Not the OP, but you made them look worse. The OGs are simple but way cuter than your over done redesigns.

>>7095989
I disagree with you but its a matter of taste, so I discard you opinion. OP asked for me to do free work so I put in about an hour of work. I have my own drawings to work on after all :)

>>7095992
Well you have shitty taste then. The OG look like cute eastern animu. Your version look like western trash coom art.

I'm going insane. What are good resources when it comes to body proportions? I absolutely lose it when it comes to measuring the torso and hips area.

>>7095994
op's art is not eastern at all, nor are they eastern, i think you need to get your eyes checked lol

>>7095999
Said the one who added ugly ass lips and tasteless baby cheeks to everything. LOL

>>7095986
I wasn't asking you waste of space
>>7095997
here little nigger multiple ways to measure shit in one picture

>>7096000
id love to see u do better :)

>>7096002
The OGs are already perfect. i am sorry for crushing your ego :(

>>7096004
the eyes were misaligned and flat and the faces were a bit wide imo

%×%

>>7095989
I wasn't demanding better, I was asking for his take and he delivered

Can I post my work can you guys tell me if igmi or not, or is it just keep going

>>7096027
you're ngmi with that attitude

>>7096035
what attitude.

>>7096027
you don't need to ask to post, feel free to

>>7096037
asking others if you're gmi, especially here

pics of random stock photo type reference poses are so boring I don't even want to draw them
how do u guys deal with that feeling when you aren't good enough to draw from imagination yet...?

>>7096014
OK

>>7096046
ah alr I won't do it that anymore thanks for future reference.

>>7096039

How many fundamentals do I need to design characters

warmup lol
how should i be approaching something like this
i tried to draw the forms as i saw them
people say to just use the method that works best for you, but i just can't shake the feeling that i'm doing it the wrong way
or shooting myself in the foot somehow
like do i just start with boxes and go from there?
are organic forms an okay starting point?
like the rounded beanbag thing, i mean
or should i try to draw the bony landmarks and do that robo bean thing
idk i feel like ishould have some sort of workflow figured out by now, especially for basic stuff like this, but i'm still floating around aimlessly

thoughts on this guys? am i still a beg?

I'm trying to teach myself how to do lineart and while I've watched a shitload of tutorials I'm still finding that I don't really know what I'm doing lol
Something just gets lost in translation from sketch to lines and I can't tell what it is or how to fix it

>>7096113
I have the same issue It's due to not finishing the sketch. The sketch should be brought to final there should be no guessing in the line work. Shapes and forms need to be fully identified. I would suggest watching Christophe Young and stuff like eo58 and their workflow. They use the sketch all the way into linework so there is never a loss of information at any point.

>>7096100
all of them, that is what makes them fundamental

>>7096132
Interesting, I thought the sketch had all the info I needed but I can see how a more refined sketch could make it look better
I was moreso focusing on something I picked up from an art youtuber where she says to "draw with intent" or to convey the most information with the least amount of lines. But clearly I have more to learn before trying something like that I guess lol

>>7096135
For stylized stuff its ok. It makes sense the intent part is reduce throwing lines which makes a mess and fucks up the linework. Another really great thing to study is Bargue and cast drawings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk8qt7b2vEE
good luck

>>7096136
Thanks for the tips, I'll watch the vid you linked
Considering I'm trying to go the animation route I'll definitely keep the intent part in my back pocket until I can get these more realistic lineworks done just so I understand which lines are most important depending on what I'm drawing

>>7096113
add line weight to show depth and also some lines to show different planes of the face

>>7096148
Ah you're right, I got tunnel vision and didn't add any line weight at all
As for those little hatching lines you added how would I learn where to place those, is it just to indicate minor shadows to add depth like you said?

>>7096156
I've added them to show plane changes, notice for example how you didn't indicate at all that he has a chin in your lineart, or that his nose scrunches up a bit. I also used them to taper your long cheek line a bit since it ended abruptly and to add some shadows under his eyebrow. It's mostly a stylization thing the way you add the small details to show plane changes. You could have gone with no detail marks and done it in color for all i know.

Posting SHIT.

I am LOSING my MIND trying to draw this FUCKING hair.

What is the next step for me to do after I draw the basic shape of the human body? I want to draw cute and sexy women.

Also should I use one of those extensions that autosmoothe my lines as a beginner?

Does anyone have "Wouter Tulp Dimensional drawing workout"?

>>7096204
big blocky shapes for the hair, then separted it into the fringe and strands.

>>7096213
Do you have an example of what you want to draw like?

>>7094438
Is this objectively bad? How can I achieve the "feel the form" that Vilppu spoke about?

>>7096237
I just want to draw cute anime girls, also I downloaded this thing called Lazy Nezumi Pro and it's overpowered as fuck.

Absolute beginner here. I get pretty nasty soreness in my wrist after trying drawing even for a short while. Is this normal? How do I deal with this?

>>7096246
draw bigger, and from your elbow and shoulder, not your wrist. just search some youtube videos of that if you don't get it intuitively.

>>7096249
>draw bigger, and from your elbow and shoulder
But that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Or I at least think that that's what I'm doing.

Back at 5th attempt
I'm still constructing so maybe i can save it
I got facial features at perfect size but now head is wrong shape
FUCK

>>7096251
If the pain is pretty bad, get a wrist brace. I got one when I got carpal tunnel syndrome. You may be developing carpal tunnel.

>>7096204
hnnghh I'm gonna GOON to those goddamn boobas

>>7096239
No goal = stumbling around in the dark = permabeg

>>7096256
Damn, alright.

>>7096260
What does permabeg mean?

>>7096265
That you will never get good, you're a permanent beginner

>>7096259
Damn, that's a brutal art mog. Great job, anon. I think I need to follow your example and use bigger/softer brushes for sketching, so I don't spend as much time on minor details.

I also see that you kinda redesigned her hair. Did you just prefer it that way, or were you also having issues following the reference closely like I was?

>>7096270
Use a big soft brush for the intial lay in of the forms/figure then lower the size of the brush and draw on top.
As for the hair i was zoomed out and couldn't see the shape exactly. I also just stylized some simple bangs over her face rather than all of those strands.
Your structure and figure is decent you just missed some of the foreshortening on her lower half. Also her left eye is a bit long.