/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7095889
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7095890
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7095892
Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

Is formatting the manga as right to left a hard rule for it to be manga and thus be permissible in this general?

I feel like it's just an arbitrary tradition because Japanese books are right to left.
Just the same it would be bizarre to write english letters top to bottom like Japanese ones, I feel it makes no sense as an westerner to copy the right to left format.

The essence of what makes something manga should be in the art style right?

Rococo-chan, please help me understand >>7095578

>>7095940
Most anons here are not going to care, no. The only one who does it habitually is porn/cowboy anon, and that's only because he literally has a job with a Japanese publisher, so obviously that's going to be a requirement. Outside of that, he's done the usual left to right reading style like all of us.


.... although that made me just realize that if I ever were to get my work translated into Japanese professionally so that Japanese readers could read it if they wanted to... do I have to reverse my panels too now?

>>7095969
You don’t “have to”. The Japanese do understand the concept of reading left to right

>>7095940
>Is formatting the manga as right to left a hard rule for it to be manga and thus be permissible in this general?
Nope.
>I feel like it's just an arbitrary tradition because Japanese books are right to left.
It is.

Alright that's all the pages for the intro sketched, time to go back and ink them.

>>7096044
The nerd pointing at his junk is giving me some real "SATAN GUIDE MY COCK!" energy.

>>7096044
Man, those are just your sketches...
The difference between my initial sketch and the inking is so different. I often wonder if its more practical to put effort in the first time, but I keep making so many changes as I go along, I dont know if it would work

>>7096057
Those aren't the initial sketches, these are. Those are a second sketch to refine the initial sketches for inking.

light up the niiiight

>>7096078

>>7096074
Ah ok. Still outa my league but I feel a little better

a few days ago I started into a short story about street racing
both to learn to draw cars better and to get back into the manga grinding headspace I used to be in
started scanning the pages today as I work on them

>>7096086
Oah this looks cool, anon. Did you post it somewhere?

>>7096078
>>7096079
Now this is more like it for initial sketches. When you gonna post an update?

>>7096092
I'm only gonna post it when a chapter is done
I'm working on page 11 out of about 30 for the first one right now

>>7096094
>When you gonna post an update?
No idea
>>7096096
cool. Im looking foward it

>>7096098
>No idea
Lame.
Also, I started to read your other comic, Blue Parrot(?) but I was too drunk and had to stop, I'll give it another go later.

>>7096111
Nah, forget that one. Anyways, probably until the end of the month chapter 4 will be out

>>7096117
Alright, well appreciate you posting the pages here

Trying to figure out how much of this was done digitally vs traditionally, anyone know? Obviously the shading and tiny details are digital, but I’m wondering if the base image was made traditionally.

>>7096169
All you need is kill manga. Any help appreciated

>>7096171
You couldn't have found a better image?
Anyway, Takeshi Obata drew it, so it's almost certainly all analog. He's just really fucking good.

I want to emulate detail heavy art styles like the ones in Murata's manga or Gunnm for my projects but the problem is that my core art skills are just bad and I'm /beg/.
Should I go for a simple art style at first and then try to improve for there?

>>7096183
Do what you want to do from the start. Chances are if you're just starting out you're not really going to be able to pull off any given style, so you might as well get started on practicing the style of thing you want to make. Just follow your gut, bro.

>>7096183
>Should I go for a simple art style at first and then try to improve for there
This is like drawing 101 my nigga

>>7096183
Do whatever makes it possible to actually make the comic. This can either mean you draw in a more simple manner or you do your best at emulating your dream style (which might force you to learn the required skills along the way).
Either way, don‘t get too obsessed with skill-level stuff. Making manga or comics is a crazy commitment of time and effort. You have to have a passion for telling a story through this medium, otherwise you will never want to put the hours in.
In short: people obsess too much over style instead of just drawing the project.

>>7096044
>that middle girl's face in bottom panel
HHHNNNNGHH!!!!

The new 3.0 CSP update seems like it makes it even easier to convert photos into BW images, along with giving them a sketchy feel with the 'Pencil' filter. Seems like it could be useful for making backgrounds while being less obvious or jarring. I'll admit it's somewhat tempting for me, but then, I feel like I should at least 'try' to learn backgrounds.

>>7096307
You really should try to learn how to draw a background. Everyone should. There will come a time one day where a scene is going to need a background that is custom and no photo is gonna be able to deliver.

>>7096318
Oh I definitely agree that it's always best to learn. Like, the thing I'm drawing now could benefit from the new thing, but if I were trying to do anything particularly stylized, it wouldn't help at all. Like that one guy's art from last thread, filters won't be able to imitate that

>>7096321
>Like that one guy's art from last thread, filters won't be able to imitate that
Now I'm curious. Who...?

>>7096307
Setting and locations are just as important as characters. Just look at dragon ball, everyone remembers the martial arts tournament arena, Roshi's island, Korin's tower etc. It's part of what brings a story together. If you're going to use stock backgrounds then you need to do something to make them stand out.

>>7096324
Not him but he's probably talking about Rococo. >>7094884
But the same applies to most people's work in these threads. Few if any are trying to depict a "real life"-like environment, they're usually putting their own spin/personality to it, even with the varying levels of skill in the execution.
Even my own stuff (I'm >>7096044), which in this case IS going for a "real-life"-like environment, probably would not benefit from incorporating photos as anything more than reference, because it's unavoidable that I'll need to draw these environments without photos anyway unless I was to fly to japan and decorate a cramped apartment and then take a ton of photos with various lenses. So there's going to be an obvious inconsistency if some backgrounds are edited photos and some are drawn from scratch, right? It only makes sense when the work is set up to make it practical, otherwise it stands out in a bad way.

>>7096329
Using photo backgrounds doesn't mean using stock photos, and nor does it mean you need to neglect creating memorable backgrounds. That junkyard shack in the woods toward the end of Punpun was memorable, for example.
I say this as somebody who draws all backgrounds by hand and always will.

>>7095946
I really should have excluded "chapter 1" from publishing, because it is not useful narrative speaking. Its mostly a lot of left over ideas from the previous 3 reboots of the comic. Because the world building has been going for a long time at that point it made sense in my head but nobody else.

I can technically provide a explanation for everything that's happening in that chapter but I was hoping that it would be included as part of the exposition in the later chapters. In general, chapter 1 is a flash forward, and some of the characters had been reintroduced at this point, but they haven't been properly explained.

>>7096400
>previous 3 reboots of the comic
Holy moly why

>Toriyama didn't watch anime or read manga and was instead influenced by Chinese folklore and Hong Kong cinema for Dragon Ball
>Araki was influenced by victorian literature and gothic horror for JJBA, Dracula and Sherlock Holmes served as a major inspiration for Phantom Blood. European renaissance sculptors like Michelangelo and post-impressionist artists such as Paul Gauguin also influenced him
>Kurumada suffered through depression, so he made a travel to Greece and it was a transformative experience for him, serving as a major inspiration for Saint Seiya
>Kubo was influenced by music, foreign languages and architecture for Bleach, the Espada are all named after famous architects
>Oda was influenced by 1930s cartoons, citing Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry as a major inspiration for One Piece. His art style is based on rubber hose animation where characters limbs and body can stretch and bounce as if made from rubber.

Why do most modern mangakas only take inspiration from other anime, manga and LNs? Older manga and anime took inspiration from all kinds of classical art, literature and cinema. Shouldn't they be better than their predecessors? And why are they almost all set in Tokyo/Urban Japan in comparison to fictional worlds, smaller cities or more interesting setting like pre-2010 anime? Where's the creativity, man?

Is this why modern shounen like Kimetsu no Yaiba and Jujutsu Kaisen feels so soulless and boring?

>>7096454
You're intentionally cherry-picking any parts that suits your "arguments" and discarding those that don't.
Pathetic bait attempt.

>>7096454
I mean, we know that Oda was every heavily influenced by Dragonball...but regardless, it is still artistically sound to be inspired by and draw reference from lots of different media. Manga and anime are actually a pretty small part of what inspires my own work. There's lots of inspiration from movies, video games, music, and a lot of other stuff.

>>7096454
>Kubo was influenced by music, foreign languages and architecture
How did that help him draw people? That must have been some serious music

>>7095783
>what happened to your hand
Well due to several things, i end up suffering from a cubital tunel syndrome and loss the mobility of my right hand, pretty fuck up stuff
Take care of your arms anons

Also i did the characters in trad so i could trace, because i know that i'm better drawing backgrounds on digital than in trad


P.s. if anybody else saw my pages last thread, would anybody recomend a screento setting that would look cool for my main character? He is shamiko redhead

WHO THE FUCK PUT SO MUCH WHITE ON THE CSP UPTDATE

>>7096454
>Why do most modern mangakas only take inspiration from other anime, manga and LNs?
Where is this specifically stated? Did somebody do an interview of most mangakas, emphasis on "most?" There's a LOT of mangakas. You can't just come out of the gate swinging like that without anything to back up your claims, man.

Sex appeal in non-ecchi manga.
Yay / Nay?

>>7096509
What's the real draw of upgrading to 2.0? Did the brush engine get better optimization or was it just adding a bunch of features?

ghost loli is bacc

>>7096536
Terminally-online people on Twitter and Tumblr and the like aside, I don't think a little bit of fan-service (either towards a male or female readership) ever hurt anyone, but it does depend on 1) to what extent, 2) what style of manga are you making and 3) does it make sense for that specific character that is getting a sexy design to have that kind of sex appeal.

Like if it's a hentai or something like Jojo where everyone is dressed in that kind of stuff, then whatever. But if it's a more grounded manga and then somebody is shown with titillating clothes or proportions when nothing about the manga or the character themselves would warrant it, then it won't be the best fit.

>>7096536
Do real women have sex appeal in non-stripclub settings?

I almost messed up bad and did this spread upside down(I'm doing these pages double sided is why that'd be an issue)
I managed to salvage it though

>>7096400
>but I was hoping that it would be included as part of the exposition in the later chapters.
Ok, so then tell me, is Vivian in that group thats fighting that giant topless monster? I wasn't sure if it was her, or another glasses girl.
>some of the characters had been reintroduced at this point, but they haven't been properly explained.
I can understand that, but it would be nice if they had names, the only names said by the girls are Meryle, and Ma'am.
Maybe a little blurb box next to them with a name would have helped, or maybe we aren't supposed to know their names? Either way thanks for the explanation

>>7096814
>>7096400
Also I dont want you to feel like I'm picking on you, I'm asking questions because I think there's a lot of potential

>>7096536
Yay or you're gay.

>>7096454
I think its common for artists to not consume other peoples art. That's like being hungry and watching other people eat. When I read a comic I think "man this art is amazing" "why can't I draw like this" "I could never write this" music and literature is a bigger inspiration

>>7096929
I've butt heads with a friend of mine over this once before, but I personally don't feel this way at all. I'm an artist, I love looking at art, I love reading stories, and i'm often giving my fellow "amateurs" my time... Part of me wants to think artists are not all this way and i'm not the odd man out, but then you look at GC which is 90% artists and not readers/consumers and understand that's true by and large.

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/welcome-to-goldcrest-/list?title_no=901453
I know its hosted on webtoon, but I still am inspired by the manga aesthetic. So far I got 10 chapters out in the span of 2 years, any tips or feedback would be awesome!

Taking the hook, what are your inspirations?
About manga/comics I would say...
Asia: Miura, Toriyama, Togashi, Araki, oh great...

From West: Aurelio Galleppini, Todd McFarlane, Romano Scarpa and some guy from old batman comics that I forgot his name

But I think the biggest inspiration in my life is Tim Burton(corpse bride scared the shit out of me as a kid, and I used to watch gory movies kek)

My other inspirations comes from gothic art, sacred art( mainly from orthodox) and the old portuguese/Brazilian small villages where I grew up(at night is totally phantasmagorical) no wonder coffin joe is legendary.

My second big inspiration are those guys here(mainly for blue parrot)
https://youtu.be/NJfJW1FIy40?si=eQoE_RLfIo1UtiA2

>>7096999
Nice 9s. This is AECAST anon - just posting some relatively old worldbuilding art from before I started the manga.

Asian inspirations: Kaoru Mori (Otoyomegatari), Naoko Takeuchi (Sailor Moon), Kentaro Miura (Berserk), and Masamune Shirow (Ghost in the Shell).

Western Inspirations: Luis Royo (various works, was a huge influence on my original decision to make Itzel), Frank Frazetta (various works), Bruce Timm (Batman Animated Series, funnily enough).

Game influences: Diablo 1, Thief the Dark Project, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, Chrono Trigger.

>>7096962
I love reading stuff posted I'll def take a look

>>7096999
I have this from an old inspo thread
I was drawing long before I found manga, and while I love it, I wouldn't say it inspired my art (consciously anyway)
my art >>7096057

>>7096454
Kimetsu no Yaiba manga is pure unadulterated nationalist Nip soul, wtf are you talking about?

>>7096814
>>7096820
here is an overview of relevant characters beside Rococo from Chapter 1. as I said, probably best to disregard chapter 1 for the time being.

>>7097466
Thank you!

Hey /mmg/ it's been a minute. last time I posted my comic here (https://tapas.io/series/Apocalypse-Knight/info)) you guys had some constructive feedback about our font, contrast, and some story structure things and we do appreciate that. production on the second issue has now started and we wanted to post the first page here to get some feedback on if this is the type of thing you were talking about last time. the artist really said he wanted to go for more of a manga style look. So let me know how we're doing!

>>7097819
Not manga you flaming faggot. Fuck right off and go make to making are with pedophiles and Fred.

>>7097819 #
Not manga you flaming faggot. Fuck right off and go back to making art with yoy pedophile friends and Fred. Don't you dare ruin this general like you have done with every other general you post in.

>>7097819

>>7097819
Is it true your artist is begging you to quit because he hates drawing your story, but you keep throwing more money at him so he doesn't?

Anybody read any good manga lately that you thought did a good job with paneling?

>>7097819
Be wary of this faggot, he shitposts and destroys every general he goes to.

>>7097819
The weak writing really let's down the art. The first chapter is very slow and has no hook. I recommend dropping this series and starting something new.

>>7096999
inspiration is always a weird thing for me to think of
I usually like to look at older manga for stuff
I like the work of Tagami Yoshihisa(Grey and Karuizawa Syndrome) to the point i studied him almost exclusively for 4 years, and Ikeda Riyoko(Rose of Versailles and Claudine)
I used to look at Araki's old work, like BT too
in newer stuff, Souboutei Must Be Destroyed from Fujita Kazuhiro had an interesting feel for me

I'm admittedly very weebish, I don't look a whole lot at western stuff, let alone comics
Goya and Beksinski I loved when I saw their work
I found Leone Frollo a while back, he's fun to look at

so after manga, 80s and 90s movies and anime films are prolly where I'd pull inspiration from next.

lately for the sake of this work especially, I've bene looking at Kusunoki Michiharu's Wangan Midnight

>>7098055
>I'm admittedly very weebish
Anon, you're on an anime image messenging board posting in /mmg/ lol.

>>7098074
i mean, fair lol
but I guess let that show how even that didn't outweigh my acknowledgement of how sorta, isolated(?), my media consumption is
manga and anime just sorta always consumed my interest, while western stuff never really did
and not like, middle school weeb "the glorious nippon" type of interest
my dad and his brother were into anime as teens, so stuff like Dragon Ball was always around me
so outside of whatever movies, shows, or books my dad would have me look at, usually I was just off with whatever anime was on toonami, whatever series me and dad or uncle would watch together, or the shonen jump manga usually I'd be reading

>>7097856
Wait, does he not draw this?

4 pages, 20 panels left for my first chapter
If I block off all communication with friends and family this weekend, I might get it done by monday.

>>7098239
Just 4 more pages for me too. Lets go

>>7098239
>>7098243
I'm trying to keep myself down to only needing 14 left for this chapter
let us all push ahead brothers

>>7098239
I hope you finish

>>7098211
No. The idiot pays another artist who actually has talent named Pin to draw it. Betz is responsible only for the terrible story and writing.

>>7098288
I'm fairly new, and I don't know anything about the artists here outside of this general, so I cant comment on him, but I will isn't supporting an artist technically a good thing?

>>7098297
Sure but he shouldn't be posting it itt if he's not even the artist, Betzy

>>7098297
>>7098301
It's manga artist general, not shitty writer general.

>>7098301
>>7098302
Fair point. I mean it's manga making general, and if you're just doing the writing, that doesn't really qualify.

>>7098313
Exactly.
>>7097819
Out out out. This isn't a thread for self promotion, it's a thread for manga artists.

>>7098239
Regardless of how long it takes any of you guys, we're all in this drawing together. All of you can do it!

>>7098094
I fucking love this

>>7096545
I missed her, nice.

>>7096545
UOOOOoooOOoooOOoohhhHH

>>7097089
This close up stuff loose great.

>>7097853
>>7097885
>>7098301
>>7098302
you guys are more annoying than the guy you're complaining about

>>7098399
/co/ckroaches should always be told to fuck off. Letting them say will turn this general into their shitheap.

>>7098402
even that's a better reason than
>not manga
>writer
>ur a fagit
just don't be an obnoxious cunt, goes for everyone involved
should be a thread rule
now back to drawing

>>7098399
>>7098402
>>7098410
Betz destroys every general he touches with hubris and autism. If he had a modicum of self awareness he would not post the garbage comic he does not draw in this thread again.

>>7098420
Not any of those anons but so far all he's done is post a couple of not-too-bad pages. I'm not familiar with the history but he's clearly attained at least a couple of haters. Maybe he deserves it, but in telling him to go away before he shits up the thread you yourself are shitting up the thread.
I'm not one of them, but plenty of anons posting their work in these threads are from /co/, so I don't see the big deal.
Also, I don't think "he didn't draw the pages himself" is a very good reason to vilify somebody ITT. Comics is comics, I'd argue even somebody who only writes them can still learn and share techniques for comicmaking.

>>7096536
Related to this topic.
What are the women's verdict on Ms. Fanservice trope?
Do they find it distateful or they just feel indifferent towards it?
I'm planning to make a story to cater to 60% male : 40% female demography and considering putting a scantily clad female character in my story because I like to draw them but I'm afraid it might turn off the 40% of the female audience.

>>7098452
It's not his art. He's only the writer. That's not what this general is for.

>>7098461
>>7098453 isn't the posters art either. Nobody would complain though, because we're here not just to post our own work but to share others as well. I'd get where you're coming from if he really did come in here and shit up the place, but so far the only shitting I see is people crying about his mere presence. Maybe you can tell me you told me so later but so far more harm has come from telling him to fuck off than from letting him be. This will be my last post on the matter.

>>7098461
>only the writer
retarded statement
not going to say apocalypse knight is kino, I think it's kinda boring, but I hate you more

>>7098463
>but so far more harm has come from telling him to fuck off than from letting him be
Nta but I would agree. I like to know people I should avoid (learned that from the OC redraw threads) but it seems the vendetta issue also seems to be overshadowing what might be some autistic fag. I'll also leave the matter alone after this.
(unless the person complaining can prove their manga is better, then I'm all for meritocracy)

>>7098453
I don't think anyone's dropped a series because a characters tits were too big. It's more overtly sleazy things like constant panty shots that scare girls away. Just give the character actual personality and you'll be fine.

>>7098453
I'm changing the pitch up with mine.

Everyone else has big fat cat tats, while my MC has itty bity kitty titties

got caught up working on another drawing so I only ended up doing one page today...
the cars don't even look good
just a mere page among many though

>>7098094
#2
>>7098346
Thank you!

>>7098466
>retarded statement
It's an accurate statement. He's only here to self promote his shit comic no one reads. /ic/ isn't for writer-only no-talents.

>>7098587
>only here to self promote
>spends the post appreciating feedback and asking for more based on changes suggested here
yeah man. totally self promoting.

Is starting an online published manga that will probably take 15/20 years to finish in current year worth it as a barely above /beg/ tier artist that wants to make a long story focused on characterization and world building?
Also is an art journey comparable to pic related possible in terms of increasing skill and expectations for how high quality I want the art of my comic to be by the time it reaches the ending?
Weebtoons, Tapas, Twitter and all that shit won't probably even exist anymore by the 2030s so I'm also considering opening a website.

>>7098590
Stfu betz

>>7098594
You should save your opus for when you're not in self proclaimed /beg/ territory. Why not do a couple of short one-shots first?

>>7098453
>>7098482
In my experience, women tend to like hot/sexy/beautiful/cute girls just as much as guys do. Its just that in ((current year)) we're more beholden to twatter weirdos to the point that the actual women who can appreciate a hot anime girl get shoved to the side.

>>7098594
>is ___ worth it
Do YOU think that's worth it? Worth what? Don't ask us, ask yourself. You're the only one who can possibly know what's worth anything to you.
>Also is an art journey comparable to pic related possible
Given you posted an example, obviously yes it's possible. But consider that he had an editor to help guide his hand and provide knowledgeable feedback and could make it his full time job and pour all his time and energy into it. But there probably isn't any better way to reach that goal than to do it full time for 15-20 years, no.

My sincere advice: if you want to aim to make professional-grade comics/manga, then make going pro your goal. Do whatever you can to get to a level of comicmaking where you can apply to publishers, and do that. Apply to publishers, get yourself into a position where you can pour all your time and energy into writing and drawing comics. The hard part is getting to that point, you're going to need to make a lot of comics on your own without guidance and without pay. It takes many years of slowly, slowly improving. Before that 15-20 year long comic is a decade or so of improving, unless you're already close. Maybe you can improve quickly, maybe you can't. It's all up to you. Just focus on making the best stuff you can make for now, and doing even better next time.

>>7098594
You should probably wait to see if a project takes off before you decide to spend 20 years on it

>>7098453
There are no women here.

>>7098594
Who is going to read a comic for 15/20 years that doesn't even have good art?
>focused on characterization and world building
So you don't even have a story, either, just vague videogame-esque ideas for a setting.

Start with short stories.

>>7098665
To the best of my recollection /mmg/ has several married anons, one of which is a woman. Not that any of it matters since we're here to draw mangas and comics, but still.

>>7098669
>mob psycho
>one punch man
>peanuts

>>7098698
OPM was not widely popular before it was picked up by Murata, and had not been running for 20 years. It was a flavor of the month novelty. ONE was lucky someone like Murata took an interest before he became irrelevant.
Mob Psycho only rode off the success of OPM, and ONE had improved a good bit since then
Peanuts is VERY well drawn, and is not a serial narrative. There is no comparison unless the poster plans on doing a weekly news strip instead of the EPICCC long form story he is obviously daydreaming about.

>>7098698
Possibly it is the rear legs or feet of the White Tiger. Alternatively, it was also seen as a wild boar.
Outer Fence 外屏 Pisces 7 A fence to screen off the cesspit of Celestial Pigsty (Tiānhùn

>>7098698
Two of those have not been running anywhere near that long and the other has fantastic art. Why do you do this?

>>7098730
>Detective Conan
>Doraemon

>>7096929
>I think its common for artists to not consume other peoples art
Its common for bad/limited artists

>>7098749
Are they supposed to be examples of bad art? Anon...

>>7098749
Conan isn't mild blowing by any measure, but it's more than passable, and way better than the average person on this site

>>7098453
I try to think about what I like. I don't mind a story having fanservice characters or sex appeal. But I don't like eroge, personally if it's in my face every page then I know the story isn't for me and I can't enjoy it. Timing sex appeal is important because I'm not otherwise sure how seriously I can take a character if she's idk, bawling her eyes out but her nipples are so hard they're drilling holes in the cloth.

I am a coomer
And I guess its time to admit that I am one and focus making a porn manga/doujin first instead of trying to come up with a legit manga/comic first.

>>7098794
Thanks for the reference pic.

>>7098594
I'm gonna disagree with the anons who say to do something else
go for it right now. doesn't matter how beg you are, or how big the project is
if you have something you want to make, start work on it immediately, don't fill your time with lesser projects that you deem worthy of your skill level, you will improve 10x faster working on something you're passionate about
and by the time improve enough to make the big one, you don't know how you'll feel about it, by working on those other projects you'll learn and grow, and if it takes years or a decade you'll change as a person in life
you may end up with no desire to go back to what you considered your "magnum opus", and instead you'll regret never working on it when you had the passion to
also don't concern yourself with the hosting, go for what's convenient and has a readerbase, you can rehost later if it goes under for some reason

>>7098799
You're welcome. I actually use that when drawing underwear.

>>7098453
>>7098482
Agree that she needs to have a personality. Fanservice isn't offensive to women unless the female character is a tool to progress the male lead's story with no goals/ambitions of her own. You can make her as slutty as you want, women love sluts. She just needs to be a slut with her own goals.

>>7098823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erBj7WBvP1Q

This comes to mind lol.

>>7098749
I like Doraemon...

What is Deleter paper, in terms of specs? Is it just a smooth bristol?

>>7098953
It's crap, from my experience. Too flimsy, too smooth, too small. Like trying to draw on a printer receipt.

How about anons I want to ask.
I'm studying Horikoshi's art and I want to ask you guys (even if you don't like his drawing style since it's a bit eccentric)
What makes you say "This is a Horikoshi style"
After studying it for a couple of months I made my notes
>He is very expressive with his hands
> The mouths are very large and their teeth are to some extent prominent (if you look closely you can even notice the gums)
> It has different types of eyes to communicate what the character is like (Redondos is good-natured, straight eyes for serious or evil characters and rectangular eyes for peculiar characters.
I really want to get Horikoshi's style

>>7098960
Noted. I just want to know what a good substitute is that has roughly the same paper weight/finish because it seems too expensive (outside of Japan at least).

>>7098964
Bristol board is the best for any application, they even make it with the standard comic book notations now for about the same price as the unmarked stuff

BUT

A good weight printer paper will actually serve you just as well and be a shit ton cheaper. You don't need to worry about size/dimension if you're only going to publish online, that stuff only matters for physical printing.

>>7098809
I think it is a lot more of a complex situation than most people make it out to be.

When people say to start out with something smaller, they mean like, 3 or 4 or 5 page one-shot or something. Something that is quick and easy just to get you flowing, and get a few pages in sequence. It shouldn't take you that long to be enough of a distraction that feels like it is drawing you away from your supposed magnum opus. If you can't do a few pages quickly, then you probably have no business making an epic that is going to take you literal decades to complete.

Many people regret doing their big projects, and many more fall into the trap of getting 100 pages in, or a couple years in, and looking back at how bad the old stuff is, and then they want to start going back and redrawing everything, and they often get pulled into a cycle of doing that over and over.

There are a lot of pitfalls of just jumping headlong into a huge project. Even most mangaka start their long-ass series as a short 20-30 page oneshot.

>>7098452
You don't understand what a menace he is and I hope you never have to find out.

>>7098452
I do make comics they're cartoons so I don't post them here. Please ignore whatever fag (whom I already know the identity of) is sitting there refreshing the page waiting for a >(you) so he can continue his two year long seethe streak. I've posted AK here before a few times and it hasn't been an issue so I don't believe that suddenly "everyone" has a problem with it.

>>7098978
I'm poor and Bristol board seems a bit too expensive as well. I found some cheap 163gsm cardstock (Deleter paper is 157gsm), do you think it would suffice?

>>7099005
Have you drawn on it? It really depends on if you like using it or not. Like I said, if you're just scanning and publishing on the internet the paper doesn't matter.

>>7099003
Fuck off bsck to /hyw/ and take your drama with you

>>7099010
I don't know, I'm just a /beg/ who wants some paper that's close enough so I can learn paneling and how to make mangos

>>7099014
Yeah just go with printer paper. "Professional" materials won't do anything for you until you are experienced and skilled already. It'll be that 1% difference for you at the very top, but you have to reach the top first.

>>7099014
If you're truly /beg/ then just buy a big stack of letter size printer paper instead of wasting money on bristol board or specialized paper. Having different paper isn't going to help you at that stage and bristol board is too expensive to just dick around on.

>>7099014
you dont need bristol for panelling or making manga, bristol is only really needed when you want to ink, you can do everything up to the draft before you go out and buy bristol to ink everything.and bristol is like less than 10 bucks for 20 pages(40 sides for practice because if you only do lineart and excercises it frobably wont leak to the other side) with most brands, so its not that expensive. and if you say you are beg and you dont have money just use pencil and paper you faggot

>>7099005
I dunno where you are, but if you got a michaels by you, they have 176gsm and 270gsm cardstock
real cheap and super sturdy, it's what I've taken to using for the last few years

>>7098988
>have no business making
that's the part I disagree with the most, bad mindset, you always have business making what you want to make
the length isn't important, a 5 page one-shot could be the first 5 pages of your 100 chapter epic, it should be about what you want to create
I think cutting down a bigger story to a few pages, or just finding the "starting point" and turning that into a one-shot is a good idea, as long as you're doing something important to you, finding what matters in the bigger story and using that
even if you end up redrawing hundreds of pages, as long as you're enjoying what you create then that's what's important
I'm just speaking from my own personal experience, so maybe it doesn't apply to everyone, it is probably a much more complex situation

>>7099003
Fuck off you drama causing autist sperg, I swear to God. All you do is shit up art generals and make them about yourself with samefagging and spergery. Go away.

>>7099131
I'm starting to think this drama is more autistic than it seems.

Back to doing storyboards for my next chapter.

Storyboarding and dialogue are actually the most important and difficult part of a comic. Prove me wrong.

Finished this cover today. Is this professional enough to try & publish? Does it look interesting? Is it too autistic? Cringe? Would appreciate some genuine feedback.
My comic is going to be action packed and comedic, maybe a bit like Dragon Ball. The general story outline is centered around two feuding brothers, Dorian and Dennis (top two figures in picrel, ignore the wizards.) Dorian is a successful gym owner and retired pro fighter, while Dennis has committed his entire life to destroying everything his brother has built due to petty squabbles from their childhood & familial life. Dennis opened a gym right across the street from his brother's gym, engaging in increasingly destructive attacks to try and take ownership of Dorian's gym, eventually resulting in organized militia clashes between the two gyms, their members & staff.
>>7099143
>Storyboarding and dialogue are actually the most important and difficult part of a comic. Prove me wrong.
Well of course. As a manga/comic creator you need to be a writer first and an artist second. You can have the shittiest art ever but great writing and it could be extremely successful. Example: One Punch Man. Vice versa, having shitty writing but amazing art can never be as successful.

>>7099136
Betz brings it everywhere he goes. He is a plague on creative generals and discord servors.

>>7099157
It's bizarre and interesting enough to hook me up. I really like bold ideas. The art is good; it's not professional, but it's fine enough to work. The strong point is how you play with the faces and shapes.
For the rest, I would need to know how you actually draw the comic pages. Camera angles, panning, storytelling, backgrounds, etc.

#3

>>7099236
No, you bring it. You’re ruining two threads right now that Betz barely even posted in. And when you get called out on it you justify acting this way by saying Betz caused it. Get a grip

>>7099303
Why would he tell a "literal object" to move?

>>7099324
It's just the characters interpretation of his stare not the actual meaning behind it.

>>7099311
>Get a grip
He can't, anon. Sunk cost fallacy. It's a retarded force meeting a retarded object- the shitposter is too dumb to realize Betz will never leave, and Betz is too stupid to realize he has nothing to gain by hanging around fucking 4chan threads. The way this autistic shitflinging has gone on for years and absolutely sunk /hyw/ is baffling.

>>7098961
Just about everything about the design and line work. A style isn't just "oh this obvious thing (like the shape of eyes)", it's everything the author does. Every single thing they draw (or choose not to draw) is a question that they, consciously or not, determine an answer to themselves. "I'm going to ink this arm now. What kind of lines will I use? Will I use one long thing line? Maybe a bunch of thick lines overlapping? Where should the line be thickest and thinnest? Where should the line start and end?" etc. Nobody's consciously thinking these things for every line, but it is all informed by their own style.

>>7099327
The character is interpreting this guy as the kind of person who talks to the TV, basically. That's pretty funny, maybe not what you intended though.

>>7099328
And that is exactly how Betz destroys threads. He will do the same to this thread that he did to /hyw. Don't say you weren't warned.

>>7099347
You are the one doing it. Why don't you do the right thing and never make a post with the word Betz in it again? Whatever he does that you hate, isn't slowed down or fixed just because you also spam any thread you think he might be in
I'm going to stop posting now before I get dragged into this further

Thoughts?

>>7099356
Not bad, given the current state it's in. Some thoughts - The guy's head in the top panel is slightly too big for his body, and his neck appears to be a little too thick. His gesture is a bit stiff as well. All that said, keep going anon! Would like to see the finished product.

>>7099356
are you making a hentai?

>>7099347
>/hyw
We need to gulag Redditfags

>>7099372
Have you ever wandered over into their webcomic subreddits? The scene over there is really bleak. It's bad, really really bad.

does anyone know how to replicate the gray screentone texture in sai or clipstudio

>>7098773
Idk why but Detective Conan in particular gives me the WORST uncanny valley

>>7099378
Where do you even go anymore to discuss webcomic creation (that isn't on this site)? Seems like all the old style webcomic forums are dead. Hopefully the answer isn't discord, because I don't give a shit about discord discussion unless it's heavily, heavily regulated.

>>7099393
I don't think you know what uncanny valley is

>>7099393
The characters always looked really weird to me but I can't put my finger on as to why

>>7099352
Why won't Betz do the right thing and never post again?

>>7099384
No, but I could use the same for photoshop if anyone has it, other than a png.
>>7099420
lmao if you are reverse trolling then I'm going to bite. If you wont shut up about that nigger I'm going to go follow, like and comment on his comic. Let it go sperg.

>>7099422
Please do you'll be the only real person that has and it will be out of spite for someone else. I think that's great.

>>7099384
>Modeseven
You must have some sort of out of pocket fetish

It's probably just a downloaded asset from the store

>>7099422
If you do you will be the first non-Betz samefag account to subscribe and like the comic.
>>7099433
Exactly. it makes it more hilarious and sad this way.
>>7099420
He thinks he can "defeat the bullies" by autistically samefagging. He will never stop.

>>7099362
Kind of(?) No concrete plans. Haven't even played nor watched Persona except for that clip where the creep Kubo got rejected under the rain. I just want to make panels as practice using me being pent up as fuel while I am at it.

>>7099445
>3000x5000
I'm not opening that

>>7099433
Done and done.
Jesus dude, your autism combined with your crab mentality is a bad. Draw something, or hell, post your work and let me compare the writing. If you're better than this fag I'll sub to you instead.

>>7099449
Yeah my bad.

this conversation is giving me a headache
can we please just have a normal thread argument about fujimoto instead

Am I using the B5 paper right? (I know it’s a fusion of manga and western comics, hope that’s okay here. It’ll be read left-to-right)

>>7099476
It's not very good but keep trying

Anyone have advice for this kind of brush? Going from thin and light to dark and thick?

>>7099476
It's a bit hard to tell from the graininess of the photo but if those panels are lined up with the guides on the paper then yeah you're doing it right.

>>7099478
Looks good to me.

>>7099485
For what purpose? If you want "trve manga style" or whatever then it should be completely monochromatic (pure black). There isn't a whole lot of advice TO give just on digital brushes. Use whatever feels good to you, just remember that print manga are pure black-and-white, so if that's what you want your work to look like then yours should be monochrome too.

>>7099494
>It's a bit hard to tell from the graininess of the photo but if those panels are lined up with the guides on the paper then yeah you're doing it right.
Yeah I took care to line them up right. Thanks, I was worried I didn't understand the 'free box' correctly lol

>>7099494
>trve manga style" or whatever then it should be completely monochromatic (pure black)
So are the greyscale bits on this page finely printed dots, or what? NTA just curious for my own work

>>7099466
Betz is cancer. It seems he decided to make this his next general to destroy. He doesn't even read or like manga or anime.

>>7099506
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halftone
>Where continuous-tone imagery contains an infinite range of colors or greys, the halftone process reduces visual reproductions to an image that is printed with only one color of ink.

>>7099466
I'm just going to start hiding your posts
>>7099506
Yes

>>7099514
So if I use gray markers then arguably they translate to traditional manga, right? Does a manga artist color these things themselves using a grey pen, ink or marker, or do they use a print artist to assign greyscale to these things.
Thanks for the input, I'm a bit simple

>>7096608
>Do real women have sex appeal in non-stripclub settings?

>>7099519
I've had trouble with this too, you have to square it. Women who are trying to be sexy are sexy in non-pornographic settings, and you don't have to be a slut to do it, and you don't have to be a horndog to be attracted to it and render it. It is tough though because if you live in the west there is a voice in the back of your mind that tells you everyone will call you a pervert for drawing a pin-up or even drawing a girl with breasts in a camisole. I say fuck em.

>>7099476
Nice wizzard
>>7099445
Cool. Anyway, they say drawing hentai helps to improve your skills. I might try someday

>>7099434
>>Modeseven
>You must have some sort of out of pocket fetish

nah i just happened to stumble upon this and liked the screentones he uses but the artist is pro level if you can look past that stuff

This is how retarded I am:
I kept trying to use smaller and smaller brushes to draw inside my panels, down to single pixels. It looks awful

I never realized I could draw on a separate layer, then just resize it....

>>7099506
>>7099516
Yes, if it's printed then it's monochrome (outside of special releases with color pages intact). That's the whole point of screen tones -- creating mid-tones in monochrome. There exist manga (particularly in digital-only publications or doujinshi) where they do use flat grays instead of screentones, but print manga always use screentones. Even if they're drawn with ink washes or markers or pencils, they'll convert any mid-tone to monochrome and print that.

>>7099534
Great, thanks!

>>7099524
>It is tough though because if you live in the west there is a voice in the back of your mind that tells you everyone will call you a pervert for drawing a pin-up or even drawing a girl with breasts in a camisole. I say fuck em.
Ignore the western brainwash. Embrace your inner weeb, draw what you want and follow your dreams.

>>7099539
Agreed.

>>7099532
imo you shouldn't do this.
Manga is traditionally made with a physical dip pen on a physical paper of a specific size.
This means that no matter the manga, assuming their using the same tools, which they probably are, will always have a specific minimum and maximum size to their lines.
If you draw a character up close, the lines of his face should be of a certain thickness.
When you draw that same character but at a distance, should you get a thinner pen and draw the lines even thinner? (or in this case, draw the image large and then shrink it). No, you should use the same pen and just draw it but with less detail

>>7099605
Look at this drawing here.
When he draws the face up close he uses a certain pen. When he draws it further away... he still uses the same pen. When he draws it yet still further away.. same pen.
It's drawn a little more delicately yes, he's not pressing quite so hard on the pen so the lines are thinner, but it's still the same pen and this gives the whole image a more cohesive look.

>>7099609
Well... you're sort of right. Keep in mind in print the finer lines will either disappear or become larger compared to the original drawing.

>>7097683
Here is also currently all the character I have collected portrait for, but eventually I am planning on drawing custom portrait for all of them.

>>7099605
Alright, well for what I initially wanted, I'll maybe just do a close up panel or something.

But I already did it for these two panels.
Can you help a brotha out and let me know if there is a start contrast?
One I did with an 8 pixel brush, in the panel.
The other I did with a 14 pixel brush on a full empty page, then shrunk it to fit
Sorry for the color change scheme I forgot to turn flux off

>>7099619
God damn it...sauce?

>>7099674
Fellatio Kenkyuubu by Zonda.

The main characters.

>>7099668
It looks good to me

Are there any examples of porn doujins doing two page spreads?

>>7099643
I love the diversity in your character designs. You can kind of tell a bit of their personalities from their portrait alone. What's your method to coming up with designs for your characters?

>>7099847
thanks, but my design process is very inefficient, because a lot of them are more like frankenstine monster cobbled together from various influences. They usually start with fan art of some sort and I kept adding different things I like about whatever was catching my attention at the time, and thinking up story about them. A while back some people were commenting on the mixed iconography that exist on Rococo and this is the reason. Some characters are purpose made but I kept adding world building and plot elements on them so their design become more complex because their importance become more complex. Sometimes I just think I would like this hot dommy mommy with one of her eyes covered in my comic so I made a version of her or modified existing character to look like her. Sometimes I'll purpose design a group of character at once so I can parse out distinguishing characteristic among them. unfortunately I couldn't tell you a very set method, its just that I come up with characters for fun on a regular basis.

>>7099858
like this character for example, originally I was just drawing a character with plague mask, but I came up with lore specific justification that fits into my existing world building and it'll be somehow figure into future plot if I ever get to it.

>>7099384
That’s a nice screentone it’s not to harsh on the eyes

>>7099858
>>7099862
As much as I enjoy your art and reading your manga Rococo anon, I can't help but worry sometimes that you've got a few too many characters and moving parts that you're trying to all juggle simultaneously.

>>7099913
I like to think he knows that. He admits his first chapter is a big hodgepodge

>>7099717
Make them her 3 dads who are in a polyamorous gay relationship together raising their daughter and you'll have a smash hit. I reckon this is the family onsen episode.

>>7100026
You're setting him up for years of success in the webtoons industry...

But an eternity of damnation in hell

>>7099303
If you're going to make an allusion, make the allusion to a REAL thing, not a metaphor for a thing.
"she looked at me like I was trash"
"I crumbled like dried leaves"
"I ran like I was one with the wind itself"

He's an object? what is the object? A candy wrapper? a piece of gum? a stack of plastic cups? say what it is.

>>7100059
I'll be honest anon, I am having trouble telling what exactly is going on here or where the stun stick is shooting out of the robot.

>>7100180
>>7100059
Agreed, I have always had trouble with your paneling and framing of the action, especially with the colors being confusing to parse.

>>7100180
>>7100188
Can you tell me more about why the colors are confusing?

>>7100200
For example, that first panel took me a few looks to see the face. The myriad of shapes and lines along with the different colors on different sides of the surfaces doesn't frame the shape well (and the blacked out eyes being lost in the dark colors, meaning my attention is not drawn to them being eyes at all)

Perhaps not your color choice, but your color values are not separating the features well enough.

>>7100212
Think you're right about the values, my pages will probably benefit from a ctrl + u check before telling myself i'm done coloring. thanks.

>>7100026
>>7100050
>it'll be a smash hit in webtoons
... you guys are fucking with me aren't you?
Besides, I am just planning to do this as practice before I make a proper one. The goal so far is to make an 16 or more page before April is done(eventhough I've a gut feeling that is slow still)

>>7099858
>>7099862
>Some characters are purpose made but I kept adding world building and plot elements on them so their design become more complex
This is the method that always made the most sense to me and I wondered if most other creators took a similar approach to coming up with characters. I always figured it would be easier to think of them less as "people" and more as "plot devices" and then base their design on what would best supplement the narrative.

>Sometimes I just think I would like this hot dommy mommy with one of her eyes covered in my comic
Hey, I see nothing wrong with that. Sometimes ideas can just come to you, and at the end of the day, it's your work so you should add whatever YOU want to put into it. Even if that sexy dommy mommy isn't to the taste of some readers, that doesn't make the idea any less valid. I would imagine this is also not far off from what many other creators do. Making a comic takes a long time, so you're gonna be exposed to many different influences over the course of you making it. Sometimes, it's the authors own experiences that influence their work that I find to be the most interesting about it.

>>7100221
Don't do this as a one off, you're going to get stuck drawing your 3 daddies comic forever to appease internet sickos.

just a few more pages now

>>7100276
>>7100221
>>7100059
keep up the grind boys

>>7100221
>... you guys are fucking with me aren't you?

Dudees I hate hate hate hatea hate hate hate hate HATE how this page tuurned out so much. Its my fifth page ever making but the first one of this story

>>7100405
Yeah it's not good by basically every metric. The composition, the values, the storytelling, the anatomy, basically all bad. Study harder.

>>7100351
But those are bishies.
Not that I cant draw bishies but the trio guys >>7099717 are clearly not her dad.

>>7100416
I'm just gonna do better on the next page. Simple

>>7100416
>>7100405
I disagree on almost everything. It's hilarious. I love the angles, perspective, anatomy. Almost everything except for the line of guys in the first panel
To each their own, but I like your style

>>7100436
Wow well thank you bud! but he’s right in a way there still a ton of room for improvement and I gotta step it up from that. Only gonna get better from here and best of luck to you too

>>7098453
is this really how big you should draw? seems enormous

>>7100416
what are you smoking? the composition is clear.

working on both sides of the paper is such a dick move to myself
on one hand yes, it's meant to take off the desire for perfection and just work
but on the other hand I'm stuck with the constant anticipation of having so few sheets left to work on, but the disappointment of knowing i have double the actual work to do

>>7100614
Lol I have a similar problem by keeping all my work files as spreads (in digital). I see "Oh sweet I only have 2 files left to work on", then realize "wait shit that's like 40 hours of work".

>>7100623
I just look at it like
oh cool, 7 pieces of paper left
and then the cold lump between my ears experiences a thought and it's
oh no, 14 pages left

>>7100614
You're not the tradfag from the oc redraw/art trade threads are you?

>>7100636
yes, I am

>>7100405
Then redo it until you like it

>>7100738
Its not that that would be a waste of time but it would be better spent getting better while I work on future pages

>>7100738
>>7100772
Redoing pages is a trap. Just keep moving forward

>>7100646
Alright I def see it now. You did my rock climber girl and I drew your soccer lolis, then you totally carried the next thread putting out a lot of work. Glad to see you're doing a manga

>>7100820
those weren't my characters, but thank you
I'm happy to be getting this much detail into my manga work again

>>7100827
Oh thats right, that was the person who did that edgy school shooter OC. Did you post any oc there?

>>7100852
in that thread mine were the two girls in shark swimsuits, in the current one it's two related girls in bunnysuits

>>7100862
Oh! there were so many variants of them I didn't know who did the original, good to know

>>7100772
>>7100794
Not unless you know you could do better. Even Miura redrew his pages. Never settle with something you’re not proud of

I'm getting too sloppy with the cars
gotta remember I'm just learning the shit

>>7100918
They look compact. But I assume it's japland so you're good

>>7100918
Looks great, maybe a bit over-controlled, do you adjust panel sizes in pages 20 and 21? Are you halving an A4 page to do your roughs?

>Tfw was depressed about Toriyama's passing, since he was such a huge influence on my younger self.
>Just found out Mutsumi Inomata passed away, was hugely inspired by her character designs/illustrations across most of the "Tales Of" games.

Man, this fucking year sucks so far.

>>7101146
I don't know how you get depressed about a complete stranger on the other side of the world dying. Toriyama hadn't made anything good in 25 years, it's not like he was ripped away in the prime of his life or something.

>>7101154
>I don't know how you get depressed about a complete stranger on the other side of the world dying
You know anon, just because you're on 4chan doesn't mean you have to be contrarian about everything. Some people will mourn someone's passing regardless if they knew them personally, they'd actually normal behavior

>>7099717
beautiful family anon

You don't have any artists who you looked up to, who inspired you to go out into the world and create things of your own?

>it's not like he was ripped away in the prime of his life or something.

Maybe not, but he also died in a pretty anti-climactic way for such a legendary mangaka. You'd think at least it would have probably been his chain smoking would have gotten him so it would have at least been sad and unfortunate but not totally unexpected, but it wasn't even that.

>>7101154
>You don't have any artists who you looked up to, who inspired you to go out into the world and create things of your own?
>>it's not like he was ripped away in the prime of his life or something.
>Maybe not, but he also died in a pretty anti-climactic way for such a legendary mangaka. You'd think at least it would have probably been his chain smoking would have gotten him so it would have at least been sad and unfortunate but not totally unexpected, but it wasn't even that.

>>7101154
You don't have any artists who you looked up to, who inspired you to go out into the world and create things of your own?

>it's not like he was ripped away in the prime of his life or something.

Maybe not, but he also died in a pretty anti-climactic way for such a legendary mangaka. You'd think at least it would have probably been his chain smoking would have gotten him so it would have at least been sad and unfortunate but not totally unexpected, but it wasn't even that.

>>7101164
I'm pretty sure that's the guy who's creating the one about the hot girl who ends up having to go to an all-boy's school filled with ugly bastards. Unless I'm thinking of someone else.

>>7101170
It's sweet she can be there to cheer on her dads getting an education this late in their lives

>>7101169
>You don't have any artists who you looked up to, who inspired you to go out into the world and create things of your own
Yes, and they died, or had already been dead. Toriyama was one of them, so was Miura. It sucks, but I didn't know them, and I didn't lose anything from their passing, so how is it any different from some random stranger's obituary in the newspaper? Forming attachments to people you never interacted with is strange.

>>7100940
it's florida, I just made them too wide without fixing the length

>>7101023
over controlled? I don't quite think I know what that means
the pages together are about the size of A4, but they're just the pages from a sketchbook

>>7101196
>it's florida
I knew I recognized I-4 traffic

>>7101198
Florida's Turnpike at 5 am actually

>>7101196
Will Florida Man (TM) make an appearance?

>>7099913
>>7099974
thanks, and yeah, I am trying to be a lot more focused since chapter 2, beside some extended flashback it should be following just one convergence of events.

>>7100236
I'll note that I participated in an online workshop on a BBS forum back in the day about character design, and it has a more specific goal oriented focus that involves writing specific proposals and conduct subject research and made various silhouette based drafts, its effective and part of the industry standard, however, its just a lot less fun.

>>7101263
Ive seen porno that stars out this way

>>7101164
>>7101172
This really puts a huge smile on my face. I like you. You are 100% based in my books. Thanks.

>>7101170
>tfw people realize its me.
Yeah I guess I am the only person here who pull that kind of stunt. I am so divided with my shit that I rather focus on making a practice hentai short first before jumping on anything big, hence the three guys and girl thing I am doing right now.

I have been drawing what i can since last sunday, in eight days i have draw the lineart of character in 14 pages, 78 panels in total... is that a good time?

>>7101402
If you're not in the industry and therefore do not have a deadline, there is no need to meet an arbitrary target of X panels in Y days. Why are you giving yourself needless stress for? Just do what you can when you can.

>>7101406
Because i have been pushing my self imposed deadline by way too much time, which gives me way more stress
Anyways i wanna finish this by the first half of april, or just may 2nd

>>7101402
It might be, or it might not. Depends on how it looks.

>>7101426
Well, i was thinking to post the next batch since the other day i posted from page 1 to 11, now i could post from 12 to 17

>>7101402
only the character lineart?

>>7101432
Oh, yours was the one with 2 dudes, and the monster at the end? If so, sorry about your hand, maybe dont grind that much with an injury?
But also, your panels are so void that 78 seems reasonable

>>7095889
Tips or references for hatching? So far it's been a really laboring process, scribing and manually breaking each line with a eraser. Maybe there's a way to set the brush settings so going thin or thicker gets easier? I've seen some mangaka do crosshatching and for them it feels so loose and laid back.
There's tutorials on how to crosshatch actually shaping the form correctly, but what I mean is that there's too much pressure in each line I draw, I don't think it should be like that. For example the hatching on the table of pic related, it shouldn't be too hard I guess, they're close to straight lines, but each line feels like such a hassle to do right

>>7101406
NTA but some need self-imposed deadlines in order to stay on track for our goals, otherwise in my case I'd be a lazy shit and not get anything done at all.

>>7101444
turn pressure sensitivity up

also select areas you want to hatch with the lasso/select tool so you don't have to worry about staying in the lines

>>7101447
I don't disagree about putting a goal for yourself, but not to the point of >>7101416 where he's been stressing about his self-imposed deadline which he has passed because of his hand(?) getting injured and now he's even more stressed.

>>7095889
>MANBEN
I feel inspired to improve upon my comics further after watching the Nagayasu Takumi episode.

>>7101451
This already helped me out, thanks. Does pressure sensitivity affect every brush?

>>7101455
Nah, is just that if my math isn't wrong i will have to wait 2 months after i finish this to see any result, and i didn't want to hit the 2 years line since the first time i told me to finish this

>>7101765
Ugh. I totally know that feel. The idea of working on something for a year or two does not bode well. Thanks for instilling that feel again so I can get my butt together and finish shit

Hey guys I have a question, and just for reference i’m a complete newbie, I want to learn to draw so I can make Mangas. I have the money to buy a decent drawing tablet, and I kind of hate the idea of using real paper and ink, is this OK? Can you become good at drawing just from using a drawing tablet? Or should I start with traditional paper and pencil and then switch to a tablet?

>>7101836
I would argue that its good to get your feet wet in traditional drawing and then make the switch to digital (if digital is your end goal here as you say), but the truth of the matter is that there is no real rule about what you "need" to do. There are plenty of digital only artists who have done just fine and vice versa.

>>7101444
draw pages and pages of lines of varying pressure (as is shown in this video, for example https://youtu.be/NBE-RTFkXDk?t=118)) and don't stop until you can ink characters more easily, and then you can try practicing hatching.
it also helps to draw pages of circles and then try practicing drawing lines (again, of varying pressure) inside of those circles, like in this video https://youtu.be/bNjkPMsbvTs?t=99

just do that for as long as you feel you need to. it'll seem impossible at first but that's only because it's purely muscle memory, which is why trained professionals can do it so effortlessly.

also for >>7101836 as well, i'd say practice on paper (with a brush pen or fountain pen/brush or pen nib for inking practice) because going digital too soon will make you ctrl+z too often and it's far easier to transfer trad to digital vs the other way around. if you miss layers then get a lightbox and another piece of paper.

>>7101444
In trad, just do it, is fun and kinda relaxing, in digital...

Use a brush

>>7101836
Have you ever drawn before?

>>7101402
That's incredibly hard. You might be able to do two pages a day for a few days, but eventually you'll burnout and end up doing 0 pages for a while. Thats what happens to me. I can draw a page a day or maybe two pages a day and all is well and good, but then I burn out and can't even muster up a measly one page a day.

The human brain cannot work perfectly without stopping unless you're fucking crazy or being pressed by an outside force.

>>7101865
Thanks a lot, good to have some reference. I experimented crosshatching a bit on koromon, you got tips on how to do it better? It was hard knowing where to leave some negative space

>>7101930
nta, but when I'm on that autism/ocd high I gotta ride that train. I cant focus on anything else, just gotta draw draw draw.
Then get burned out, come back a week (or month) later and get back to it. But I was able to get enough work in that time to justify it

>>7102019
I've been there, but its unhealthy and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Its better to be consistent even if slow.

>>7102015
NTA but I think you need to work on construction first. The ultimate goal of shading is to add form and depth and to do that you need to have planned out the planes of the drawing. Once you've mastered that you can worry about things like negative space and aesthetics.

>>7101841
OK that sounds good, iirc doesnt the mangaka of MHA draw the manga digitally?

>>7101865
Ok second question then, why is it bad to ctrl+z a lot? How is it different than using an eraser?

>>7101910
Just doodles, although I enjoy it a lot!

>>7102219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LuIFnWBRh4
MHA is sketched & inked analog, and colored digitally.

ctrl-z is a very useful tool that can become a crutch if you're not careful. You can use it, just don't over-rely on it. How is it different from an eraser? It's instant. That's it.

>>7102015
yeah in terms of spacing and pressure you've already got a good basis, but like the other anon said construction is always key. usually any time you have a problem that you're not sure the cause is, you should try practicing basic construction and drawing spheres and cuboids in different lighting environments.
the thing that makes it a bit hard to accurately assess your example is mainly the fact that i don't know where the lighting is coming from or what emotion you're trying to convey, so i think starting simple with a human head and learning the planes of the face with an asaro head would be useful too, since that would have far more reference material available for it (notably Loomis).

>>7102219
it isn't bad at all to ctrl+z a lot, just that when you're starting it's going to keep you stunlocked into getting your lines "just right" because there aren't any downsides in the short-term to undoing a hundred times. when you're working on paper then you can only erase in the same spot maybe 5-10 times depending on how good your paper and eraser are before the paper starts to wear and the drawing gets muddy, so it's in your best interest to just stick to what you've got down and move on.

>>7102128
That image would've been perfect to use as reference lmao I couldn't find a good one.
>>7102530
Yeah you're both right. If it doesn't look right before shading, like here >>7102128 then I guess you're doing it wrong, no amount of crosshatching will make it look good. I used anime screenshots as reference. There, the empty space is filled with solid colors, here it felt lacking to leave it blank

Ugh, I feel like I can only get myself to finish 1 page per day at absolute best. I have a surprisingly free schedule, and my overall skill isn't high enough for my pages to be too complex, so I just feel dumb for not getting more work done.

>>7102675
I found myself much more productive on my art when I had a full time job than now when I have all the time in the world. I was able to finish 40+ pages in just over a month then.

>>7102675
try doing multiple pages per phase. So sketch out several pages, then the next day do lineart for the pages, then on the next day refine and shade the pages.

>>7102675
Out of curiosity, when you say "finish a page," do you mean just finalizing the linework, or are you also throwing everything else (shading, etc.) into the definition as well?

>>7102706
I already have every page sketched out (though I’m making adjustments, as some of them were really rushjobs)
>>7102719
Linework + shading, but the shading I’m doing is simple (probably too simple), it’s the linework that feels like a drag.

>>7102675
I thought I was going to be able to finish 4 pages in 2 days....I was a fool.
I got 1 page done this weekend. Feels bad man, if you can do 1 page a day thats awesome

>>7102675
I also wish I could work faster, but after drawing for almost 3 years i've learned quantity is not all that matters. You should be able to maintain a pace and have the discipline to accomplish milestones for years without stopping. One page a day is not bad at all! Just don't stop and you'll have the entire month to do what you need.

>>7102786
>>7102769
When I say 'at best', I mean there are plenty of times where I get less done, or even nothing done.

>>7095889
OP, when you make the new thread have the picture as something more intriguing than what you did here. I know it really doesn't matter, but this image sucked, paneling and all

>>7101930
Anon... i'm already nerfed, before i could do 9 full pages in six days, now i can just make the lineart of 2 pages and then have to rest

New thread at:

>>7102833
>>7102833
>>7102833
>>7102833
>>7102833

>>7102844
why?

DREAMLANDS: WORLDWALKERS greek manga

>>7096536
pic not related, right?
That's 100% ecchi

Is he good ?
>>7101058