/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I’m still not drawing.

>>7091462
I bet you are one of those begtard "Thread Gurus" who draw shitty animu whores. KYS you talentless faggot.

What's lower than a permapresubbeglet? But higher than a permanodraw?

>>7091466
>who draw
what the fuck is this sperging. he draw nothing

>>7091470
Cunt Corporal.

>>7091455
I made this

>>7091474
Oh hey that's me.

>>7091474
Nigger.

i'm so frustrated just why cant drawing be easy

>>7091478
consider starting with just 2 tone studies, you can use a tone curve / contrast / posterization to separate light from dark
instead of using lines, block in shapes with the areas of light and shadow
you'll eventually want to move away from those tools(since they change the actual values), but it's a good starting point imo

>>7091478
did you try tracing this?

I know this might be better placed in the animation thread, but frankly I'm getting better (actual) answers here.

I'm using keyframes to make this pumpkin roll around which worked well enough for this exercise. But I'd like to copy it to make multipe pumpkins roll side by side using the same preset keyframes. I duplicated the folder and nudged the copy right next to it, but the keyframes are still following the original position which I guess makes sense. Is there a way to move their reference point en masse, or just move them along the second with the second pumpkin? This is 30 seconds worth of keyframes and I don't want to do it all again 3 more times.

Pic related is the first pumkin.

>>7091497
And here's my failed attempt at duplicating the pumpkin an expecting the keyframe linked to the folder to move relative to the new position.
The solution to this problem is probably something searchable, but frankly I'm so new that I don't know what to search aside from duplicate keyframes which is not what I need.

>>7091496
Unironically cute. Very good anon.

>>7091496
can't tell whether I love or hate this, but it's making me feel things

>>7091466
It does take a special kind of retard to see “I don’t draw” and respond with “you draw things I don’t like.”
I guess not THAT special. It seems pretty typical of most of you people.

>>7091478
*you traced this

>>7091496
This certainly has soul in some way

Thread's ethot.

>>7091526
this looks airbrushed

>>7091518
NGMI with observation this bad

rough sketch done

>>7091526
>Tattoo
Ruined.

>>7091535
one day I'll make a database of hoe tattoos
I swear it's always either something extremely retarded like animals, plants, hello kitty etc or demon worship/blasphemy against christianity/witch larping

>>7091535
Sad isn't it

>>7091526
tfw no empty gf

Bluejay in colored pencil. I'd like to color in the background to maybe bring out the white in the feathers.

>>7091489
I didn't trace it. I had it opened on second monitor.

>>7091518
Thanks for the compliment!

>>7091496
>soul
yes
>boobs physic
non-existent. Very 2D.

working on redrawing an old drawing on the left

>>7091599
it isnt a compliment, i recognized it's traced because it's so ugly, i have nothing against tracing but it's easy to spot a begshit doing it because its so ugly

still plugging away at KtD...

>>7091630
You will never be an artist.

>>7091631
You're rushing. Take your time and pay attention.

>>7091496
top tier face

>>7091634
...this took me an hour like the project said, but I'll keep going for you anon

>>7091632
this is your art bro

>>7091639
pyw crab

I'm soulmaxxing

>>7091640
Do no reply to him, it's the local tracing schizo, he regularly picks random works and accuses them of tracing. Go back to drawing, he just wants to waste your time with pointless arguments

>>7091630
post your work

lemme know what you guys think

>>7091647
heres another one

>>7091647
Slightly asymmetrical for a front facing pose
I know it's trad so it's hard but use a small mirror for these cases. Renaissance artists used mirrors to "flip the canvas" but IRL.}
The rest is fine to me. Looks aesthetic and not over rendered

>>7091649
Practice ears and hair.
Eyes are cute. They make the picture work by grabbing attention away from what's not drawn as well

>>7091657
Evolution?
Nice one, anon

how can I improve on making faces? I am currently working on the fundementals right now after ignoring them. I know anatomy studies is the way but any resource for making better faces?

>>7091662
learn to copy references more accurately

They should invent some sort of tool to draw straight lines, maybe AI could do it

animu head in void gang
havent drawn much today, need to step the fuck up

>>7091668
you follow the pewdiepie school of art I see

dumping my garbage. have gotten opinions from friends and family, would like more to see if there's anything else someone can criticize.

Alright anons, i did the thumbnail sketch for head
How off the head is to actual ref and what should i look out for?

>>7091683
feel like you're on the right track but i have a hard time understanding what it is i'm looking at

>>7091455
dumping my garbage. want to get more opinions outside of my friends and family, to see if there's something else more experienced people can help me to improve

>>7091687

>>7091686

>>7091689
nose and mouth distance is off, but was fun. proud of hand gesture

guys how was this asian (tranny?) girl everyone was shilling last year called? that girl

>>7091693
Oh, that's the messes up version

>>7091696

>>7091674
yeah, its based

>>7091697
arms too detailed/dark. lack of darks and detail on body push away from itself. dark, detailed arm pull in, distracting from focus

>>7091703
shading is off, attempt at equally shading so that erasure marks/light produces realistic skin better

>>7091668
looks good, bud

>>7091716
thanks buddeh

>>7091721
Somehow, GonGon returned

>>7091697
shading is hard

woman 1

>>7091724
oops

>>7091500
my man you duplicated the pumkin inside the group that's animated
learn your tools

>>7091726
woman 2

>>7091695
There's this one, are you talking about an artist or an art teacher ?

>>7091731
okay that's it

>>7091647
flip your drawings horizontally with the help of your phone and use a ruler if you have to to make sure things are straight/aligned in a front view

>>7091674
he didn't invent copying zoomer faggot

FLIP AND RESIZE YOUR IMAGES REEEEEEEEEEEEE

CAPTCHA: ART YVW

>>7091734

Sketched this in the morning

i think a sort of initial style is starting to develop here after doing enough digital stuff now, mashallah i need to move away from realism because so far the feedback i've gotten is that they look like uncanny valley taxidermy humans

>>7091744
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES
1. Top right of the page;
2. [Settings];
3. Images & Media;
4. Check "Image Hover".

reading a bit through the tomfox book
feels like pure autism, but might as well give it a go

>>7091751
I already have that, I'm looking out for everyone else so they don't have to upload/ load 3.5 MEGA byte sized images bud

>>7091755
Uh oh. You might have just angered the anti-construction schizo.
Looks good, anon, keep at it

>>7091756
Where the fuck do you live that loading a 3.5mb image takes more than a blink of an eye

>>7091761
Can't you read mate this isn't about me

>>7091763
Alright, good of you to care about all those Somalian 4chan users.
I don't like it either but it's 2024

>>7091759
some parts are really over the top, like constructing the cheek bone with 10 boxes
still fun tho

>>7091766
Better here than pirating the seas I'd say

>>7089196
The pose of the thread is here! The general moves pretty fast, By the time I see a new one it's already a third of the way filled. Anyway, give it a try!

>>7091755
>>7091770
tom fox is a retarded cunt who tries to make drawing ten times more complicated than it is
hate that fucking nigger

>>7091755
I have it too but i struggle balancing constructing and more visual side like contours

>>7091478
I would work on line variation when drawing figures to emphasize forms, forget about rendering/shading for a bit until you can create quicker lines with less effort, right now you have a very stiff look which feels like trace work rather than drawing. one thing you're doing well is having long unbroken bold lines

>>7091488
Good advice

>>7091496
sketchy/messy but has a lot of character, torso doesn't quite fit with the arm position but seems like a quick sketch

>>7091500
Not sure about the tools but is it not possible to create a new layer and copy the original pumpkin but stagger it so they both roll but one after the other and one would be infront, creating pseudo depth

>>7091529
Great form, nice sketch

>>7091534
Pretty good perspective, would recommend trying to draw human faces at a 3/4 view before trying stylized faces, will give you a better idea of where to place the eyes

>>7091569
Line width variation might help improve this but very solid birb, nice work

>>7091600
BRUTAL lol good movement, the overall figure is off but I think this was that quick sketch site so you did well with those tools

>>7091629
Arm form is improved but the face looks about the same, try drawing more human faces and mix it in with drawing anime faces of styles you enjoy. Good luck anon.

>>7091631
Draw slower and use less lines per contour, limit yourself to 2-3 to carve out the form and try your best to draw what you see in the reference photo instead of what you think a "face should look like" once you build accuracy in hand co-ordination to create the lines you see then you'll be set. Also feel free to do random sketches too, only studying will get boring and kill the fun/creativity for a lot of people but up to you.

>>7091639
Would recommend drawing with more references and zoom in, your lines are a bit stiff try timed drawings, 30 seconds per reference then after a couple try one large drawing 30 minutes with reference.

Anon who can't draw boxes here to tell you that I officially give up. Sorry to waste all your time.

yeah I have no clue what I'm doing

>>7091751
test

>>7091793
lamao you need to draw more boxes unironically. But with a horizon line so you know when to show the bottom or top.

>>7091795

>>7091785
I'll probably just focus on the low and medium detail forms and turning them around in space
I like how he gives attention to the mechanics of motion too

>>7091800
fixed

>>7091803

How do I alter the pose so that theres more impression of the weight of the gun resting on her left torso

>>7091526
ethot but with boobas
>>7091179
thanks bro and yes I guess, for a cute/sexy girl I use 6.5 heads, the other proportions are generic such as the pubic region on half of the body, knees on half of the legs and so on, I use the proportions of hentai artists that I study

>>7091806

>>7091791
sorry to hear that anon
>>7091789
>try your best to draw what you see in the reference photo instead of what you think a "face should look like" once you build accuracy in hand co-ordination to create the lines you see then you'll be set
yeah i was trying that via the look-hold-draw method from the book along with blind contours but my focus is kinda terrible in regards to tracing the contour. will still keep at it though. thanks anon

>>7091641
One super soul thing to do for this would be adding cloud shadows on parts of the grass in the foreground, gives a sense of depth

>>7091643
I like the values of this in the thumbnail, instead of using lines, try to create the form of the nose with shadow/light using planes

>>7091647
>>7091649
Not bad, keep it up, would also recommend drawing photos of people as well and different anime styles depending on what you like. Focus on creating long unbroken lines to avoid the sketchy unconfident look.

>>7091657
Kyoot

>>7091662
For faces try timed studies on this website: https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/face-expression-practice

>>7091665
it's called a linetool anon, nice hairwork btw

>>7091668
ain't nothin wrong with focusing on learning one thing at a time, if you're learning faces/head form of course you're not gonna draw backgrounds lol

>>7091683
I'm gonna be honest, not sure what I'm looking at. You need to make things more readable.

>>7091684
Keep studying heads, try to draw what you see, you'll get it eventually. (Eyes are facing different direction and proportions are a bit off where the chin is too small etc but good try)

>>7091687
sketchy try to add more shadows and darker shadows to define the shape of the face

>>7091689
avoid sketchy lines unless it's intended

>>7091692
still don't know wtf this thing is

>>7091698
A fellow bro

>>7091710
try to focus on one aspect at a time, get good at lines first

>>7091720
19thcentury soul

>>7091721
monke

>>7091732
great color work and background etc, I think you should just study hands a bit more cause you have everything else down pretty well

>>7091749
You too, work on drawing hands, try one hyper realism attempt, you'll learn a lot

>>7091750
Lovely paint work, I think you already mentioned you'd work on hard edges so looking forward to see what you make next

>>7091755
It's just a method or tool for perspective don't feel trapped by the box, use ze box, draw ze box.

>don't want to draw stuff because I'm not that great
>doing reps is tiring

Oh my fucking god
I keep trying to draw a face and i keep repeating same mistakes over and over
Holy shit i am retarded
I'll fuckin draw this face until i get it right

>>7091793
Boxes are good for perspective but try drawing her contour, figure drawing and gesture drawing would be a better tool for learning how to draw her pose

>>7091791
It's for the best, no need to bang your head against the wall for years out of misguided interest. I hope you find your calling, keep trying new things and don't feel bad if you're not good at everything. And remember, art is beautiful and there are many ways to appreciate it.

>>7091808
>for a cute/sexy girl I use 6.5 heads
Ah alright, also once again, amazing work! Also what anatomy resources do you recommend? What's your way of practicing?

>>7091819
am this anon >>7091809
thank you

>>7091822
If you keep noticing that you make the same error repeatedly, take note of it, like circle it or something, then see if some prior aspect is not quite correct. You may be making a tiny mistake in one proportion that throws off another one to a greater degree.

>>7091822
to add to this >>7091835
find new material that interests you. that's what help me keep at it. maybe you can return to that photo later, with a newfound perspective

>>7091828
For anatomy, I recommend the morpho books(michel lauricella) and stonehouse anatomy notes, copying the work of hentai artists is also a good option as pros have very good knowledge of anatomy
As a practice, I usually fill a canvas like picrel by studying separate body parts such as torsos, legs, hips, etc. Pinterest is a good place to find references for this.

>>7091835
Oh shit thanks i circled some problems that keep appearing
Idk if you would recommend this but i basically tried redlining the ref and drawing along checking proportions with redline

>>7091732
artist girl I think it's that one, what's the name, she was like gloomy and she had a lot of simps

>>7091526
>no face
>barely any kind of deviation from a mannequin pose
>unclear body language
it couldnt be worse

I find my accuracy progress frustratingly slow. Sometimes I'll nail the lines and the very next attempt they're terribly off. Observation and proportion being basically THE fundamental only makes me feel all the dumber. I know the answer is to practice more to get more consistent, it's just that my emotions end up getting in the way and as a result I don't practice nearly as much as I could.

>>7091789
Could you redline the pose or something please? I wanna try more action poses but i feel i completely lack that something that makes the drawing "dynamic".

did some practice illyas yesterday + today
it was a nice change but drawing normal 3d women is definitely more fun
drawing from a settei is shit and i warn my fellow begs not to try it, shit scans + questionable anatomy abound

>>7091884
iktf, if it's any consolation you're far from the only beg going through it

whats wrong with this skull

>>7091902
It's not shaded

>>7091906
no thats not it

>>7091777
The collage from last thread's drawings. Not a lot this time, penis envy the reason being allegedly.

I tried leaving my comfort zone to try different types of rendering. How does this look? How does the piece in general look?

>>7091902
The size and especially the angle of the nasal bone feels off.

is it okay/healthy to watch videos while I draw or even music?

>>7091923
No, it can cause bronchitis and super aids.

>>7091902
missing the entire brow ridge

>>7091847
Ok i think this attempt is better i can clearly see that i suffer from making faces bigger
Also not sure if i'm crazy but feels like i made his head look more child-like

>>7091929
Oh sorry i think pic's not showing up
I'll post it

Feel like I screwed a lot of things on this drawing, especially the waist. Any crits appreciated

>>7091900
Sure I can give it a try, could you quote the pose? I replied to a lot of different people I think you meant the spear girl but not sure

>>7091923
watching videos on the side sounds like a speedrun strat to develop attention span issues. listening to music is probably fine because that's a different task, unless it requires your attention (e.g. picking next track)

head practice, stylized and less stylized

>>7091915
Rendering is ok, I guess. The rest of the piece doesn't, uh... doesn't look great. Biggest issue is the face; the right ear is way too high up and I can't tell what the right eye is supposed to be. It seems like you're trying to draw in a more anime/cartoon style, so I'd recommend trying copying an artist you like that draws in that style.

>>7091902
The eyes, mouth and nose are way too big.

>>7091884
Don't forget to draw for yourself as well. I always take some time off to do some quick messy scribbles if I'm struggling with a study. I find it helps me care less about the fact that I'm not drawing great and just appreciate the fact that I am drawing at all.

>>7091755
Yeah, tom fox's methods have always been to tedious to use consistently. They make for good perspective exercises though.

>>7091720
>>7091721
These are awesome! Love the style.

>>7091641
Landscapes like these are always beautiful, you captured it perfectly.

>>7091695
Alisa Chung? I think she just looks like that

>>7091928
isnt that within the natural variance in skulls?
>>7091950
perhaps youre correct

>>7091938
No, this one
>>7091600

>>7091961
i do not get how you guys make those humans look realistic looking or at least remind of. What are you using for constructing facial features?

>>7091964
I guess the secret is putting the right eye way too far up

Gonna try and commit to at least an hour of gesture figure drawing a day. Pretty bad right now, but I generally have fun no matter how bad it turns out so it's a good way to get mileage and practice with charcoal.

>>7091964
None, feel the form
You need to learn how to communicate form with line width and opacity.

>>7091965
So this is the power of realism

>>7091976
Nice photo, now post the drawing

I'm decent at drawing bodies and faces but apparently I draw arms and hands poorly. Should I just dedicate some time to drawing those specifically to get over this hump?

>>7091975
Oh ok
I have shit ton of books
Which one does teach to feel the form best?

>>7091982
do you really need to ask this? you already know the answer

>>7091984
I do but it helps to have someone say it outloud I guess (or in text in this case)

>>7091983
Nothing teaches you to feel the form. It's just something you develop over time as you get used to manipulating objects three dimensionally.

>>7091983
Vilppu came the closest but I got the idea after getting high, no books I came across seem to ever teach this explicitly. Feels like this is the "talent" no one ever bothered to put into words or they gatekeep after learning it.

>>7091962
Hope this helps, I tried to stay within the style you had going but I'm not quite skilled enough to pull it off completely.

I want to draw so bad but my cat wants to drink with me.. what should I do?

>>7092011
draw your cat

>>7092011
>stop making me pose for your stupid pictures human

>>7091983
Your weak library has nothing on my collection of 40-50 art study books. Yes I draw like shit.

>>7091914
>Not a lot this time, penis envy the reason being allegedly.
kek

>>7091914
You have to understand that people, which are mostly male on 4chan, want to draw hot woman with big tits. Duh.

Experiment Done. Kinda rushed in the end but overall like it.

>>7092027
not bad, just a few minor critiques I have. First is her head is kinda small compared to her body and her left arm looks it's broken

>>7092022
Not necessarily true. Some times I also want to draw hot woman with small tits.

>>7092031
Uhm pedo much?

Could anybody mind redlining or pointing out the problems with these arms? (the hands are just placeholders)

>>7091845
whats a good hentai artist would you recommend.
I wanna do studies like these.

day 27.

Well today is technically day 28 but I have some free time to draw and do Keys To Drawing, I'm on the pepper exercise.

I've realized that copying drawings isn't gonna help me on the long run. I heard an anons advice, to copy the drawing first and draw it from memory. I heard it helps you a lot.

Ruminant activities..

>>7092031
>hot woman with small tits
no such thing exists

>>7092044
18 year old detected, show penis

>>7092055
Please study and educate yourself
https://nhentai.net/g/286769/
https://nhentai.net/g/315891/
https://nhentai.net/g/437534/

>>7092062
SORE WA AISAKA TAIGA DESU KA? UUUOOOOHHHH AAAA

>>7092062
I love that anime, one of the best ever made. And I'm a 30 year old man.

The threads move too fast it's time to separate /beg/ and /int/ again

>>7092076
It's just schizos like me who are shitting up the thread, sorry


https://youtu.be/XpJHrcHmSTQ

Billions must dance.

Rounding out my 4th month of learning with an original drawing of a vtuber i've been watching recently

any advice on how to make it not look so amateurish? I know that's a really vague criticism to ask for, but when I look at it, it just looks...very clearly new-learner-vibe

>>7092080
Very good anon! I see potentional in you, just remember to never stop drawing! Keep going! Ganbatte!

>>7091455
60 minutes of Shogun and I got one (1) portrait that I liked (out of 10). And it was because they were having a conversation and the guy was like "it's over" and closed his eyes. And they aren't even lined up lmao. Do it again tomorrow.

>>7092082
終わり だ. Keep drawing and use guidelines for the eyes and such.

>>7092081
is that your art? that's so good, i love it
any general advice you can give that i can focus on for my next studies?

Every time I post my art the comments I get ruin my motivation to keep drawing

>>7091811
>>7091826
I might try again, but for know I'm stepping away to figure out if it's really for me

>>7092038
trylsc and blue gk

>>7092089
no

>>7092056
22 and wrong. Also bonus.

>>7092080
nice drawing anon, very ambitious
the main thing I notice is the lack of knowledge about the things you're drawing
I'd make a ref board like pic related, compiling information about the things you want to draw (the character, it's costume, the environment and lighting)
having this board on the side will feed information to your brain, without needing to copy them 1:1
some basic perspective will be useful too, in order to properly merge the referenced elements as 3d forms

>>7092089
It's not my art sorry for being misleading. Looking at your piece all I can notice is lack of proper shading and maybe a bit of gesture and flow in the pose.

>>7092123
i had something similar to that but I guess i'm not quite skilled enough to make much use of it

and yeah i think it was maybe too ambitious, looking at it now all i see are the flaws

>>7092071
>hung lesbian
>>7092076
Shut up, crab. Can't stand seeing good art?

>>7091496
Uoh! Erotic!
The breasts would be better if they were smaller, however, since they don't make sense right now considering the position of the arms.

>>7092133
>killua
More like domain expansion.

>>7092128
>I guess i'm not quite skilled enough to make much use of it
probably a matter of training your observation/perspective/form more
try doing 1:1 studies (that you plan to reference later) as warmup then

Going through the 500 heads, after 31 and 32 I really had to evaluate myself and change the way I was doing things, I'm glad I did, I found a knowledgeable guy who did some Sargent studies, they weren't perfect but the thought process was really good. I'm pretty happy with 33 - 35, Sargent's charcoal portraits are incredible.

>>7092071
better shapes and wider value range.

>>7091950
nice heads

>>7091932
I think you can benefit from measuring more, you already know the rule of thirds and halves, so after you find those, look for ratios on your subject, e.g. height vs. width, which third is the largest, etc. This will also help to retain the likeness.

I don't wanna post my work publicly anymore, no matter where I go I just get stuff like "this is horrible, please stop" or "you have to be 18 to post here" (im almost 25 now)

>>7091455
https://youtu.be/T2nV_HpaKd4

Sup beg, i am permabeg.

>>7092080
great start would be learning difference between soft and hard edges. that and many more fundies found in keys to drawing
>>7092076
nah, you just need to draw faster
>>7092044
very cute
>>7092039
focus first and foremost on the observation aka copying accurately. if you cannot even draw correctly what you see then imagination wont work at all since its even harder
>>7091982
time to grind them then
>>7091964
or they just use reference?
>>7091791
if only you did keys to drawing instead of retarded drawabox... another victim
>>7091687
>>7091631
get charcoal. its very obvious you are too lazy to fill big areas and its heavily detrimental to the whole
>>7091618
lmao, i kneel
>>7091569
apart from branch it is all very flat
>>7090962
>what is your goal for this drawing session in particular
i want to finish this art book and i want to unlock ability to draw figgies without explicit need for reference. so far it feels i will first die out of old age before unlocking it
>>7092149
thats what happens to drawers who skip the fundies a lot

>>7091983
>>7091990
It’s not possible for anyone to teach it because it’s a feeling, you have to learn to feel it by thinking in 3D. I only learned to feel form after doing many figure studies thinking about the orientation of each body part and drawing wireframes over them to depict the orientation.

>>7092156
I try to draw for fun, not to mindlessly follow some stupid fucking ruleset made by someone else

>>7092156
>its very obvious you are too lazy to fill big areas and its heavily detrimental to the whole
wdym by that, i filled the large shapes with the pencil?

>>7092156
>focus first and foremost on the observation aka copying accurately
it's ironic you say this, because that's exactly what you need most, Pawell. Your advice is good, you just need to follow it yourself. You're not done with accuracy.

>>7092169
i think he thinks that both of those belong to one anon.

>>7091534
digital second draft

bro I'm doing keys to drawing lesson 3 ( I couldn't do a pepper cus the Mexican store was closed im assuming because they were also celebrating Akira Toriyama RIP BTW I loved dbz) and ngl this came out good

>>7092193
attaboy, keep going. dodson does great by the student by encouraging them

Drawing is too hard, I give up. Gotta do some performance art type of shit or the Andy Warhol way.

>>7092204
or pull a Andres Serrano and just dunk a statue of christ in your own piss

>>7091526
sauce plez

>>7092204
you can sculpt! Sculpting is piss easy compared to drawing

Step 0: Choose artwork I want to copy/study
Step 1: Draw over it to analyze it and deconstruct it into basic shapes I have learned so far (digitally, for convenience)
Step 2: Begin my copy/study (in trad, no tracing obv) by starting with the basic shapes I identified in step 1

As a super early shitty pre /beg/, does this strategy make sense?

never did the 250 boxes thing
but I'll probably draw way more just following along this book

But anon, they're in different folders with its own (duplicated) keyframes
My problem is that I don't know how to reposition an animation folder *and* its keyframes so it follows the same keyframed animation, but nudged a little to the right (or left).

>>7092219
Yes, but add Step 3: Redraw it from memory by reconstructing it then compare to the original.

resisting the urge to pivot style into the simple stuff the norman slove

>>7092226
>the norman slove
what
also you know you can just do both. You don't have to settle on a single style and only draw in that style

long time no see anons

>>7092230
the style the normans love

>>7092007
I see, well i wasnt THAT far off the pose, so ill consider it a victory.

Last thing I made

>>7092232
some major issues with this anon.
that wrench is garbage. no one in their right mind would use a box end wrench like that. it's just asking for rounded bolt heads. at least it's a 6 point on the closed end, but really she should have an impact wrench or if you're set on an antiquated wrench, a flare nut wrench is about the only wrench you would ever want to use. also the size of the wrench indicates a very large bolt which is probably spec'd way higher than she could break, and certainly higher than that wrench could put out before slipping
the girl is cute though.

>>7092244
Thanks for advice wrench bro. Gonna use some reference.

i hate hands

extra dumb :]

Can I get critique or redline pretty please? this is still a rough draft of course.

Thoughts on this sketch? Is there a way to improve this pose?

I'm not even going to try drawing faces yet. I wrote what I thought were my mistakes, but I have no idea how to fix them besides drawing more and being more used to drawing itself.

tried imitating this drawing, i failed

desu i have been feeling quite upset with my shitty drawings, i just cant make things look good, i dont know if my anatomy needs more work, or perspective needs more study (how the fuck do you study perspective?), etc.

>>7092162
>It’s not possible for anyone to teach it because it’s a feeling
Yeah it is lol
The principle is actually very clear cut, and can be easily explained. I just chose to gatekeep it. I'm not gonna give out the secret for free lol

>>7092321
I don't think you failed, you were getting somewhere

there's just a little less flow/movement in your copy, but nothing too serious

Hi hi teachers, I was watching this speedpaint and the illust just used a template for all his layers and stuff. Could anyone explain them or point to a video which does?
https://youtu.be/epC44_Lca50?si=yqMZPNe6vcEc4gXN&t=174

>>7092332
>there's just a little less flow/movement in your copy, but nothing too serious
and how do i work on that? i want to know

cloth studies

>>7092226
I thought the Normans loved invading and conquering?

>>7092302
Draw faces anyways. It's better to mess up on stuff early so that you have a better idea on how to approach it if you learn it in depth later. It's also good that you're taking notes on your mistakes, not a lot of beginners do that. It's a lot easier to focus on what to fix as well. As for fixing them, yeah, you're just gonna have to draw more. You're at a stage where quantity matters more than quality, in order for you to just get used to drawing in general. Since you're doing copies, for now you should focus on being accurate.

>>7092321
The copy looks good so far, keep going
>how the fuck do you study perspective
Read Perspective Made Easy and draw boxes in perspective. Perspective is the backbone of a lot of concepts in art, you'll use it a lot more often than you'd think. "Feeling the form" >>7092162 is a lot easier if you have perspective nailed down since you have a better understanding of the overlaps of the body and depicting them correctly.

>>7092339
Looks good, anon, I especially like the colors on the t-shirt.

>>7092339
i tried, many times, and then i fail for some reason, i dont know what im doing wrong

>>7092302
Don't focus too much on exactly replicating the contour.
Use very light straight lines (and slightly curved lines) for your lay-in and focus on getting the correct angles and lengths.
Look at negative shapes (between hand, hair, and chest) and copy them.
Use vertical and horizontal lines to find arrangements (chin aligns with bottom of hair, jawline aligns with top of sleeve, etc.)
You should only get into the details once you are sure your proportions are correct.

>>7092352
Seems you have a basic, solid understanding of perspective. It gets a little distorted in some places (like in the bottom figure's right calf) but otherwise it's pretty accurate and gets the job done. I suggest you focus on making your lines cleaner so you can easily see that distortion and fix it right away, rather than make it harder when you do your final lineart.

>>7091777

>>7091807

>>7092338
Draw things that are slightly beyond your skill level and focus only on improving one of your deficiencies instead of all of them at once

>I keep adding long fucking noses and distorting proportions

Fuck

>>7092399

This is my 4th charcoal drawing. There’s been significant improvements over each one which I’m happy about. I don’t spend a lot of time on them or study anything other than a few YouTube videos because last time I tried that with pencil it sucked the joy out of it for me because I sucked so bad. This medium is much better for me to “build” up the image. Still a lot of work to do however.

I know the eyes are off and the mouth is a bit contorted to the side rather than just pouty like the reference, but I overworked the paper and can’t really take or add more at this point.

any other improvements you’d recommend?

>>7092415
is she the girl from better call saul

feedback?

im missing something. i wanna do a 100 grind.
which should i do first? eyes, nose, mouth, lips, hair?

>>7091455
trying to draw more figures

>>7092337
Through shade is where he draws the character in grayscale
Hard light color is where he applies color through color layers, and maybe multiply layers too
Through chara is where he applies overlay layers and maybe some other layers to modify the colors a bit so that they don't look so muddy
And as for the other groups like Through BG and Through EFF they are grayscale for the small pets in the back and front of the char, and the other Through filter they are probably color and overlay layers also for the background and foreground pets.

>>7091777
I was considering adding a giant horse cock to make her a horsecocked futa but decided to focus on fundamentals first

Why isn't there a permabeg or prebeg general

>>7092493
This IS the permaprebeg general.

Learning some basic rendering. Anybody using csp is the color mixing brush function actually useful? It seems kinda difficult to control but maybe I'm using it wrong

>>7092496
this looks really good. are you following along with any books or courses or anything?

>>7092493
made one

>>7092376
Pro

>>7092500
this was just copying tutorial but I'm also going through Krenz courses

I am struggling with side profile and deciding where I should put my shadows and highlights. Like what if a place have multiple different light source?

>>7092515
You shouldn't try to complicate yourself with multiple light sources right from the start, that said in your drawing you could probably get away with throwing the character in full shadow and using the light from the moon as a rim light. The light from the buildings wouldn't really reach the char since they are too far away and artificial light has quick drop off.
The only way your light would work if there was a light nearby and a bit above your character.
Also eyes in profile are triangle shaped and don't try to draw individual hair strands, just go for big shapes and then and smaller ones.
If you don't know where to put shadows and lights on the face then you need to study the planes of the face or maybe copy some shapes that other artists are using. Sorry for the rough paintover.

>>7091455
You know that expression or feeling you get when someone adds a squiggle at the end of their sentence?

I tried drawing that~

>>7092532
Thanks for the info. I'll keep on practicing more.

>>7092412
hon hon

curious for other people's opinions: say it takes me 15-20 mins to knock out a gesture from a ref of this quality (not great, ofc) is it worth the time trying to clean line-art it which takes me another 40 mins then analyze it, or should i just analyze what i did wrong at this stage then drop it and move onto a new fig

>>7091777
non-cleaned up attempt
>>7092039
i'm on day 26 can we be rivals no homo

>>7092577
cleaning this up would be a waste of time, move on

>>7091455
>"beginner thread"
>everyone is better than me
i should really fucking kill myself

>>7092581
are you /int/entionally not reading what you don't want to read?

Today's shitty doodle-

>>7092588
She has an extremely friendly body shape

Trying to get a similar line quality but my hand does not want to cooperate.
Also, my pencil is not dark enough.

>>7092593
What?

>>7092588
She's built like a fridge.

If you try hard and eat your art vegetables this could be you one day

>>7092614
that's a week of groceries in this economy

>>7092614
no amount of money can buy dignity back

>>7092614
Personally I'd rather starve than draw furry porn but ok. If you can do that then good for you

>>7092614
>Keeping almost 100k in goypal
>Keeping any money at all in goypal
This better be a shoop because this fucker is asking for a raping. Goypal can easily declare your account "unverified" and take all of your shit.

>>7092614
All this tells me is that I should start drawing furry yuri porn

>>7092614
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>>7092619
As a wagie there's no way making 6 figures to draw furry porn is less dignified.

some figure drawings. is there something wrong in the reference pic with a green cross? It doesn't look 'bad' but there's something about anatomy that doesn't fit somehow, am I just seeing things?

>>7091819
>You too, work on drawing hands, try one hyper realism attempt, you'll learn a lot
Thanks for the feedback. I do practice hands here and there but maybe I'll do what you suggested since I've never done an hyperrealist study before.

>>7092627
Her breasts aren't too high, she's just bending backwards and the dress is probably really tight that it holds her breasts up.
The ass juts out too much in my opinion but maybe the artist intended it that way, dunno.
You shouldn't copy from sketches this rough/bad artists you'll create bad habits. The drawing on the bottom is much better to study from.

>>7092193
same guy here, how many hours do you guys recommend for drawing? I wanna get good but I want to keep it real. I draw an hour to 45 minutes a day copying manga panels.

I'm now thinking of copying and then drawing from memory to improve my memory more.

is it worth red lining actual pictures for practice?

>>7092646
draw as much as you can while still having fun, obviously
if you have an hour/day to draw, or only find drawing for that long fun, then draw an hour/day
if you can + want to do more, do more

>>7092646
It's more important to draw consistently than to draw a lot in a day then burn out and not draw for weeks. 1hr/day is fine, you'll just get better slower. You can up your hours as you go along
>>7092650
Maybe if you're really struggling with the perspective or something, but most of the time it's better to just copy it.

>>7092614
I would pay an onlyfans model for a 1000 reference pictures and videos with that amount of money.

>>7092626
Your work defines you. Do you think i'll have respect for someone who draws furry porn? Those fags that sell 3D asset porn are already embarassing enough.

>>7092614
Ya'll forget that you gotta get damn lucky too getting any traction on your socials. I don't draw fast AT ALL but shit I've never got a comm so never had the expectation on me.

>>7092601
And I fuck with that

>>7092339
You know what? You're right, not about the advice and critique only, but that I should draw faces anyway.
I was doing a mental check while reading the feedback you and the other anon did and I decided to ask myself why I didn't go for it, and the internal answer was just "scared of looking bad", and just feels like a vicious circle if I do things that way.

>>7092355
Thanks. I usually try to do the contour first as a starting point - as if they were boundary lines for the drawing, but checking the reference lines you drew made me realize why it's not a good approach as I don't have a good reference of the size of each element in the picture, will try to apply your advice and try to identify forms instead of contours first.

>>7092674
NTA but you pretty much got it. If you are actively learning something you gotta be able to do it even if you or others consider it "bad". Shit ya gotta start somewhere as long as you strive for improvement and keep it enjoyable for you.

>>7092076
Unironically would be best if we separate pre/beg/ from /beg/ and /int/ so we get less stupid questions and more actual art deserving of critique.

I didn’t draw for this thread.

>>7092683
Me neither

>>7092614
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>>7092689
This is a drawing thread

>>7092696
And some people here draw for money. And they'll use Paypal to transfer that money. And they need to fucking know that Paypal is an investment company that just happens to use money they hold, which they can say "FUCK YOU" for literally any reason at any time.

>>7092682
you cant enforce less stupid and you cant get more art then already

>>7092682
I always post art and no one critiques it. So you're just wrong and a fag.

If you want slow just go to /draw

>>7091950
nta but that right eye is an eye piece. The right ear does look weird though like you pointed out.

>have a lot of good ideas for drawings
>lack the will to draw
what archetype am I?

>>7092741
you're me, always thinking about drawing but never drawing.

>>7092741
>>7092742
Hey guys, got room for a third?

>>7091723
This made me laugh a few times. Do you ever find yourself drawing to remember things, or to 'rhyme' visual styles?

>>7091950
>These are awesome! Love the style.
Oh thanks, I think I'll try Pokemon characters next since I've never drawn them.

>>7092741
>>7092742
>>7092750
notdraw shitposters

>>7092767
That makes four of us.

first few attempts at building up figures from 3d shapes, any pointers before I forge ahead and keep grinding these?

>>7091777

>>7092689
>>7092716
this is why I get paid in amazon™ giftcards

Alrighty so I took a break for about two weeks, why?

1. My wrist was starting to feel tired.
2. I could sense burn out coming on, so I decided to take a break for two weeks just to prevent it from happening. I will tell you near the end of that break I kept thinking about drawing and things I wanted to draw (even having dreams about drawing).
3. I wanted to see how rusty I would get after two weeks of not drawing.

I can say that while I definitely felt a tad rusty/unconfident in my lines, that is quickly going away and I am reverting back to my previous level of line confidence before I started my break.

However, I dunno if these Ellipses I did as a part of my practice look any different in a positive/negative way after the break. The before is from last month before the break, the after is from today.

Also, i for some reason when doing these Ellipses...I feel weird? Like I feel derealized/out of it/anxious when I do them? I am not sure why but does anyone have a theory as to that? Other drawings I do don't cause the same feeling.

>>7092400

>>7092834
Are my notation right or did I miss something?.

Please help to find different exercises with basic shapes, because it seems to me that because of constant repetition of the same exercise, I will get tired and give up. But with different exercises, it won't be so boring.

>>7092857
Are you talking about >>7092819
?

>>7092819
Litearlly the same. Now draw what you want to draw instead.

I've been thinking about gesture. It's kind of a way to more efficiently understand something through abstract ways, right? As in, theoretically, you could draw a perfect pose using pure observation alone, but that would be tedious and inefficient so we use these intuitive skills to be more accurate.

>>7092741
>>7092742
>>7092750
It's called the archetype of puer aternus, the man child. Oh you're so creative, you're so special, you have so good ideas, unlike all the other boring people. how unfair it is that the world did not bless you with the motivation, as if hard working people have it easy and they don't have to try. And then when in the rare moment motivation hits, you pick up some course, or book and dream of becoming a big artist, but just as it gets harder and a little uncomfortable you put it down and abandon it completely, because uncomfortable things suck, and move on to the next thing, and who cares, it was a bad book anyway, why stick with something that is not perfect.

It's okay though. The real you is sleeping. Your real life has not started yet. Maybe tomorrow will be the day you will have an easy time drawing and finally figure out everything. Why bother drawing until then anyway.

>>7092887
>frog poster calling someone else a man child
pottery

>>7092872
kinda but not really. gesture drawings are to capture the flow/rhythm/force of a pose and loosen up the natural inclination to dwell on details without focusing on the anatomy. its meant to be used in conjunction with anatomy studies when you're building up a pose. different sides of the same coin

I'm a huge fan of the 'force' method of gesture drawings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtaBjtAGsk0&

>>7092889
it was def too harsh but I hope it finds the right person

>>7091777
Had to rush head, hence it looks especially terrible

Can I get critique please?

>>7091902
>oi bruv

>>7092819
youre anxious bc you dont want to focus and actually study. just draw my pal, these hooligan circles are nothing but procrastination

Where do you guys get your reference poses from?

>>7092999
Just because I'm so nice
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>>7093002
please don't make me say it

>>7092596
she looks huggable

>>7091777

For the OC thread. I have no idea how tits work. Or anatomy.

>>7092351
I like this anon. Got a blog?

>>7093058
>>7093058

new slop
>>7093058

>>7091777
I think this was way above my skill level....those feet also destroyed me.....and i still can't draw hair.
Also should i try to shade these test?

>>7092639
yeah, I kinda know I shouldn't but I was just picking it for the hell of it and I was wondering about what was going on. thanks, I think I get it

>>7091750
I recognize the kid in the bottom right! Death in Venice! Adzio, Adezio, whatever his name was. Good job! You got the likeness pretty well.

>>7092373
i copied those poses from a demo vs soldier pic, but i see what you are trying to say, thanks a lot anon

or maybe im doing my characters too thick.

>>7093712
this is hot af