/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Reminder to use your brain b4 asking a question

>>7089078
But how? Everybody mentions this "thinking" thing but I'm like huh? Is there a good Proko video on it?

So how DO I ignore that my drawings look terrible and nothing like what I was intending to draw, and focus on the overall growth instead of the individual results? I get that I can't improve if I don't fail first, but it still is rather discouraging.

>>7089083
>>7089078

What do you guys think of my anime drawing? Kawaii or Shinde kudasai?

Imagine if you had started five years ago. Think about how good you would be now, you may as well just give up and not even try

>>7089085
>>7089079

>>7089094
>Thinking that's the point of drawing
Losers like you are NGMI in anything.

Warm up sketch

Here's some examples of the current skill level of one of the artists mutuals I consider the most competent in terms of art skills and with a similar enough art style and draftmanship to what I want to achieve as a first big goal.

At this point he's legit published manga art level good and it makes me want to work hard out of jealously and rage for the fact I'm not on his skill level yet. Is ignoring some fundamentals like rendering and background worth it if I want to just skyrocket the quality of my character focused art and inking quickly? Also any tips in general for switching to a significantly more detailed art style in general despite being limited by my actual draftmanship and habits?
I usually draw 30 minutes to 3/4 hours everyday and mostly for fun, I barely study in general those days but I want to start getting on the right path.

My core sketching/intuitive perspective/construction abilities are still /beg/ tier and I'm slow as fuck when it comes to output btw, but the first thing I want to improve is my poses and anatomy followed by faces and hands. My main source is Loomis, Villpu and some David Finch stuff.
Thanks for the help.

>>7089112
pyw

>>7089112
If he's your mutual why not ask him lol
He literally has the answers as to how to draw like him
And no, there are no shortcuts or magic beans, you're not going to get to his level drawing 30 mins a day

>>7089112
My shitty art by comparison btw, all made this year.

>>7089121
>no shortcuts or magic beans
Yes, there are. Tracing, photo bashing, and AI prompt.

>>7089112
>>7089121
>you're not going to get to his level drawing 30 mins a day
You are, actually, but it will take a while.

experimenting

>>7089123
fuck off gabe

>>7088651
So when do i start doing original stuff. Or should i always attempt it and fail at it? Do i learn anything from that?

This tool has destroyed my sketching ability.
I can never pick up a pencil ever again.

how much should i be charging for work of this level?

So I draw the bridge man, then I cover it up and redraw the bridge man from memory?
And if I do this 1000 more times I'll be able to draw cute anime girls?

I want to draw but literally everything about drawing looks too complex and difficult for me. I'm literally an ADHD; autistic special needs retard that doesn't know math beyond a fucking basic middle school level. Even just figuring out the perimeter of a rectangle was difficult for me. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
Even this technique looks too difficult for me. Not to mention my whole body coordination is fucked thanks to tremors and I get overstimulated by looking at too many lines.

I don't know what to do. Should I even try?

>>7089143
>Should I even try?
No. Bye.

>>7089143
Worst comes to worse, you can brute force it. Through sheer muscle memory you can eventually make something presentable. It's a horribly inefficient way to go about it, but it would work.

Stop replying to bait

>>7089146
I don't know how to brute force it because I don't know what I'm doing in the first place. I've looked at guides and I still don't know the first thing actually drawing.

>>7089151
>>7089143
FUCK OFF HOWIE
RETURN TO YOUR CONTAINMENT THREAD

>>7089145
Okay, but then how do I ignore these desires and just give up completely?

>>7089149
oh... looks like some people fell for it today lol

>>7089141
you need to refine that more before it's decent as a product
but the real answer is always: whatever people think it's worth

>>7089155
Wow you're so cool

can the pewdiepie (sorry for talking about ecelebs but he's the most recent example) approach actually work? i get that skipping fundies is bad but it's not like i intend to draw academically or professionally, i just want to do some anime girl portraits

I hate this retarded fucking board why do I come here

>>7089157
lol I hid the obvious bait post as soon as he made it and the thread filled up with replies that got auto-hidden
nice feature.

>>7089155
based.

>>7089159
At the end of the day, it's still fun. Even when it's retarded and cringe.

Help, there's something wrong with the girl or/and the railing but I don't know what or how to fix it.
I feel like the shadows are too sharp on the railing or something but when i lower the contrast it just looks worse. I think i fucked the composition too.

>>7089164
everything is in a different perspective
draw the horizon line, setup a couple of vps and start drawing things in relation to them

>>7089164
Don't worry about it, just keep working on it. The real beauty is to find the min-max of how far you can push the anatomy without looking uncanny or cringing. Keep trying.

what the fuck is foreshortening

>>7089088
Your lines are mostly clean, but your proportions are off. Remember to focus on proportions and anatomy.
>>7089112
>Is ignoring [...] fundamentals [...] worth it
Eventually you will need to come back to the fundamentals. But you also have to manage your study time, so if you only have 30 minutes a day to draw and you want to get better at figure drawing and inking; that's where you spend those 30 minutes. However: 30 minutes daily, even over years, won't yield you a lot of gains.
>>7089132
If possible, you should always be making original art alongside any copying you do. Don't be afraid of it looking like shit; no one besides you will ever know or care if your early originals suck.
>>7089142
How much anime did Michelangelo copy before painting the Sistine Chapel? Godspeed on the Bridgman studies.
>7089143
No (you)s for you. For total beginners who are also mentally challenged there's Marc Brunet's Learn to Draw in 30 Days (YouTube video with free exercises). Don't be a Howie. Be a Doie.
>>7089141
I would neither sell work of this level nor commission it. But it is an illustration of a person from the waist up, performing and action instead of just standing around, full color and background... I would say 150+€ - but at your current skill level there likely won't be many buyers.
>>7089164
Work on perspective and forms. Your coloring and rendering are nice though.

>>7089170
>>7089184
>>7089176
Yeah, you're right, I really hate doing perspective grids so I just thought I could get away with it freehand.
I'll try to fix some of the houses and then start rendering it.

The pose of the thread is here! Give it a try!

>>7089196
And here's the pack
>>7061495

>>7089193
based on the convergence of the railing and the buildings below, you get a station point that would be inside the picture, which accounts for the high distortion you see in the foreground
in pic related, I shift the left vp way out to avoid distortion and get a station point outside of the frame

>>7089196
I can't draw this anon, if I try to observe him I will instantly start jerking off

>>7089196
Stop posting men. We like woman around here. Nobody but gay man or stinky femoids want to draw men. Also his dick is bigger than mine, also he looks better than me. Not acceptable.

>>7089209
Use your other hand!

don't be like me anons, don't take 10 years to finally start enjoying this shit.

>>7089158
when you're completely green your only goal is to get the pencil from point A to point B, to be able to see or imagine a line or curve and get it on paper without your hands shaking or your brain tricking you into thinking it's at a different angle than it really is. This is what all the pre-"fundies" books go over so you're on the right track
the downside to using anime girls in your copying phase is that placing an eye a little too low is a lot more offputting than placing a tree branch a little lower than it was on the photo

do I have to draw the perspective lines myself or can I use tools to do it?

>>7089280
Under the Art Law of 1769 section 39.7.6b
>the use of any tool(s) physical or otherwise is not permitted to be used for the creation of any perspective guides, lines or grids.

You absolute fucking retard

>>7089219
Any tips then gitting gud? I'm not so beg myself but I would say im under your skill level

Some portraits and some stylized ones, might try to do them in color next but I'll prob screw the values.

>>7089158
It’s exactly what most anime artists (especially in Japan) started off doing. At some point you’ll hit a plateau where you need to study fundies to understand what you’re doing better but you can go pretty far like that.

I was trying to render hair for once... I should've used references. Forgive the clothes, I didn't put much thought into it. I kinda messed up the eyes and top of the head cause I had to adjust stuff.

>>7089344
if you have a lot of the same thing that thing becomes boring

>>7089158
What pewdiepie even did? Just draw whatever or he copy or what?

>>7089071

Am I just supposed to keep doing this until it gets better or am I fundamentally missing something here?

>>7089347
Oh you mean the filename? They're mostly pretty different, so I'm not too worried, some are more concept things that I just named that for convenience.

hahaha you dorks worrying about reference while im here producing hands like this from imagination. reference = one way ticket to copy machineville! remember, dont use references!

>>7089370
That's a hand?

>>7089372
Or a platypus lifting its tail.

>>7089112
Your figures still dont look like they're standing gabe. Throw away the awkward stances and just figure out how the fuck to ground something, to make the figure look like it's part of the same world as the plane they're standing on. Stop spreading the legs, point both feet and knees in the same direction.

>>7089361
I mean the shape of the hair

>>7089377
oh my god i see it

>>7089071
Why does snake girl have those flabby arms? Are you trying to make us lose our lunch?

>>7089377
I thought it was a duck when I first saw it
nice butt

>>7089382
Oh I see what you mean I think. The bangs? The design started off pretty simplified, based off another character, and I've been trying to make it more complex as time goes on. It's sort of an artifact, but I dunno if I want to completely change it.

>>7089360
Now do 5 from imagination.

I don't know if this will be worth it

an advanced artist called my /beg/ scribbles shit and i feel really bad, i love drawing but i cant stop thinking about the way he said it

>>7089107
what is this

>>7089397
Draw out of spite.

>>7089397
grow bigger balls

>>7089158
Pewdiepie will be the first youtuber to be doing commercials for Staedtler and Sharpie products

>>7089397
make them less shit
love your drawing
never draw anymore

Haven't drawn much of anything in the last 2 years, so I'll fill the canvas with these random character sketches to loosen up. These are done, should've made them bigger though lol

>>7089335
that girl facing forward looks real good, the hint of vestiment is subtle but effective. Could go a little harder on value for the shadows

>>7089397
Don't worry man, keep having fun and experimenting with stuff you haven't tried yet, so you don't stagnate

>>7089409
im gonna go for a walk to think about ideas. thanks

>>7089397
that advanced artist also drew /beg/ scribbles shit at some point, he wasn't born with skill

current wip

>>7089335
>>7089082
>>7089219
nice

I need to improve my observation skills.

>>7089406
I'm using both of those things until I get settled enough (physically and artistically) to imitate the trad art I like with student supplies and feel extremely called out by this post

Please any feedback is welcome.
I can't find the SALT or draw thread, this is why I'm posting in here
https://files.catbox.moe/n45mpa.JPG

>dm instagram artist with 200k followers
>become frens
>she now talks to me on telegram daily
does this also count as making it?

>>7089420
nice
that face reminds me of Anno somehow (Eva/Nadia)

>>7089071
I imagine a bratty femboy named Howie asking me annoying questions while teasing me with his sexy body

>>7089450
Can someone give me a feedback?
Anything a diss, a crabbing, whatever I don't know if you can see my works

>>7089128
feet actually dont bend that way

>>7089468
Could you crosslink it from /b/?

>>7089135
Why?

>>7089468
attach the image lil bro

>>7089474
I can't upload anything,not even there, but weirdly enough I can post comments.
My predicament isn't a warn or a ban since I have had this problem for more than 2 years.

>>7089219
What are you trying to say? That it took you a decade to do what?

>>7089476
I can't, 4chan doesn't let me upload pictures

>>7089219
What changed? How did you break out of not enjoying to draw?

>>7089478
>>7089480
Yeah, nice try. Fuck off.

>>7089452
not unless you fuck her

>>7089484
What did I do?
It's my first time posting my works here, I have just been lurking for the last decades

>>7089472
yeah now that I think about it I might have fucked up the ankle's direction but the sole looks alright to me

>>7089480
Sorry anon, I don't trust like that

>>7089497
god damnit nigga its the opposite, the sole doesnt bend at all
try it, grab your foot if you can reach it and bend your sole

>>7089499
hmm that's true I think I was trying to make the arc of the foot more inclined, sorry for being retarded

Holy shit my drawing is in thread image
Anyways
Today drew my old oc
He's such a cutie patootie

How do I draw clothes? Is there some book or person that teaches this comprehensively and well?

>>7089507
Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery by Hogarth

>>7089507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07NanfYT8U

man i'm not really in it today, maybe I should return to doing blind contours
>>7089504
very qt

ok how NGMI am I on a scale of 1/10

Another tf2 study. I'm not sure how much I get out of these in terms of gains.

>>7089335
Nice job! How long may I ask did you spend on each study? It takes me forever to crank out one.

>>7089523
>blind contours
anybody who falls for this exercise is an unironic, doubld-digit iq midwit ngmi diahrrea pisser retard. don't do it

>>7089557
damn shawty ok i'll just keep on keepin' on

>>7089420
One done, will finish the second one tomorrow, too sleepy right now

>>7089577
nadia a cute!!!

not my best day of scribbling, not my worst
coming up on 1 month and i'm about where i thought i'd be when i started

>>7089549
About 2 hours but most of that is rendering and trying to fix my proportions mistake, the initial sketch takes about 15min and i think i learn more from that about the planes of the face than the whole render, but its still fun.
Nice sniper study, reads very well from the thumbnail, you could try painting the lineart out.

>>7089549
Not bad at all. Use low opacity on the lines and/or erase them after painting.

>>7089525
nah, you're fi-
>ramlethal
forget it, ngmi/10

>>7089619
it was a request from a friend i didnt even know who ramlethal was before today, i have tainted my hands...
im glad it's not such an unsightly beast that you at least recognised who it was. (surely you didnt read the file name, right?)

>>7089390
When does it end, when I get every detail etched in my mind?

Guys, I'm incredibly confused. I can see my (and others') obvious mistakes fairly well, like bad proportions, or incorrect perspective/foreshortening for example, but even though I see them I can't draw (or even redline others' drawings) properly either. Do I just need more practice (since my eyes are ahead of my hands or something like that idk), or am I approaching this in a fundamentally incorrect way in the first place?

>>7089624
you can see the mistakes, but you can't see the right solution to the mistakes.

There's only 1 correct shape, and literally millions of potentially wrong shapes you could do, when making a drawing. You're just not there yet, and need more knowledge + practice

>>7089623
When it doesn't feel like a challenge anymore! then when you reach that point, you move on to a different subject. but never be afraid to use references, it's gonna be a looong time before we can draw whatever we want from imagination.

>>7089625
>you can see the mistakes, but you can't see the right solution to the mistakes
That's a much more concise way of putting it, thank you.
Well, back to the grind then...

>>7089625
>you can see the mistakes, but you can't see the right solution to the mistakes.
if you think about it thats really weird
When you see a mistake in an algorithm you might not know how to fix it but you do know what the algorithm is supposed to be outputting
This is similar to drawing, you wouldn't know how something looks wrong without first knowing how it's supposed to look instead? It's basically self evident, people have inherent knowledge about anatomy/proportions/gesture and yet they can't put it to paper
HOW does this happen?

>>7089643
>This is similar to drawing, you wouldn't know how something looks wrong without first knowing how it's supposed to look instead? It's basically self evident, people have inherent knowledge about anatomy/proportions/gesture and yet they can't put it to paper
>HOW does this happen?
I can see the mutilated carcass of a dead animal and still not know what the original animal was supposed to be lol

>>7089649
yes, because you know that an animal is not supposed to have it's bones and flesh outside of it's body
Then when you see a bad drawing, what do you know? What knowledge is causing that drawing to look wrong?

>>7089071

>>7089712
Kino. I kneel.

how should the sandal look on this?

>>7089718
she looks like she's built like a fridge

>realize the pose is retarded
>have to bin the whole drawing
amazing

>>7089619
not even xrd ram...

>>7089704
>Then when you see a bad drawing, what do you know? What knowledge is causing that drawing to look wrong?
When it's flat and deformed. use your brain a bit, son

>>7089729
It's not that bad, you can still work

>>7089729
make her sit on a stool

>>7089735
>use your brain a bit
holy fucking shit i hate retards like you, im trying to walk you through this like you're a child but you're getting uppity because you don't know how stupid you are
If like if I was trying to explain algebra to a child step-by-step, I point to some part of it and ask them how much it equals, and then they respond
>its obviously 4 are you stupid
No you fucking faggot you're stupid which is why i have to ask you questions like this, god dammit i lost interest this conversation completely, kill yourself <100iq mouthbreather you're not even worthy of being passed down my knowledge

>>7089738
it's retarded, her whole weight is supported by her hands like she's doing a dip, i have to redraw everything from the neck down
>>7089740
it doesnt matter what shes sitting on, she's lifting herself up with her arms instead of supporting herself

>>7089743
lol seethe more

>>7089748
yes your retardation combined with your arrogance makes me angry, are you happy about that? Are you happy about being an uppity retard that is a blight on the word?

>>7089751
yes, you're brimming with such genius that you simply MUST share what you know on this Tibetan Sutra-chanting forum, or else!

>>7089747
takes 2 seconds anon

>>7089754
you took 2 seconds to break her arm to body proportions

>>7089755
I can literally do this pose

>>7089756
alright, send a picture an ill concede

>>7089094
i started ten years ago anon. my animu still sucks

>>7089196
Holyshit, what a chad!

Damn this ethan guy is a genuis, this actually blew my mind how you can draw so many poses with just one fucking shape wtf?

Is that the secret art trick they always kept for themselves?

https://youtu.be/iLIjD-5AgWU

>>7089758
not me btw

>>7089771
what is up with asians and their abnormally long torsos and short legs lmao

>>7089768
Hello proko wants his beans back, and villpu wants his pillows back.

>>7089196
this guy is well known in the incel community btw, he never had sex. It's over.

>>7089773
Beans never clicked for me, but a well defined shape with straight lines do it for me, probably because my mind will never be able to feel the form as perfectly as vilppu does.

>>7089771
ah exactly what i expected you to post
her weight isnt resting on her shoulders or her arms but on her arms, her clavicles arent lifted which is why she can reach down to what she's sitting on unlike my drawing where her torso sinks into her shoulders
tldr not the same pose

>>7089776
>her weight isnt resting on her shoulders or her arms but on her arms
*but on her butt
sorry i cant think straight this late

>>7089360
you should get some better taste

>>7089729
idk i thought this pose was kind of cool. you don't have to bin the whole thing though, just lighten it and sketch on top.

proportions is key though. continuing to hammer in your ability to draw proportions is what will let you be able to solve any drawing problem, and overcome any difficulty you have. If you can get the basic lines to look good, you're set. no better way to learn it than by following the Krenz lecture and being able to copy something really accurately

>>7089775
Hello this is proko again he wants his robo beans back too.

>>7089781
i don't appreciate how much you talk down to me

>>7089786
trash should know their place

>>7089786
I'm hard on you not because I hate you, but because I love you

>>7089790
well i evaluted my thoughts, its more so that I dont like your redline so im not sure why i would follow your advice, i dont want my work to end up like yours

>>7089776
>this pose looks bad her weight is on her arms
>so do this
>no that's wrong her weight is not on her arms and I'm incapable of redrawing one line
ok buddy

>>7089799
what are you talking about? did you have a stroke?
I said that her weight is not on her arms in the photo and its not, do you need another explanation? I can explain it again if you dont understand

>>7089776
>>7089804
retard

>>7089804
>it's retarded, her whole weight is supported by her hands, she's lifting herself up with her arms instead of supporting herself
>>7089754
>her weight isnt resting on her shoulders or her arms but on her arms
*but on her butt

>>7089450
Pls someone, call me retard, sperglord or rent free whatever JUST DON'T IGNORE MY WORKS AAAAAA

>>7089450
>>7089820
just keep working on your fundamentals, and you'll be good

>>7089821
Ok thanks a lot.
Are there any specifics fundies I need to focus?, I really guess it's perspective and anatomy bu what do you think?

Not painting this one, just gonna do a inkwork or something like that.

>>7089071
Here's my latest piece in a project series. I know the proportions are wrong for the figures, but I'm wondering if I should try using a soft brush for applying values.

>>7089071
How do you guys go trough a book? I copy the drawings and kinda read the text but I don't know if that's the right approach.

>>7089450
It’s hard to tell what’s happening, especially around her chest.

>>7089829
the sketch looks great. only thing that seems off is the facial features are a bit lower than they should be.

Girl from game

>>7089071

Whoever makes these OP images, I wholeheartedly approve. lmfao. New wallpaper.

>What can be improved?

Sup beg, today i wasted too much time on conspiracies and as such i have only 4 beg figgies. its over

>>7089838
>kinda read the text
unless you are doing right side of brain, you should do the text fully. It is still like 5 minutes of reading in contrast to 4 hours of drawing on average. and since i decided to aim for int, after the copy i do another "copy" but from memory and then i compare + redline. but if you are beg beg, you will struggle so much with just the copy so probably save the memory training for later when copying is almost effortless
>>7089834
that looks pretty cool, when i saw the previous version i though you were a troll and skipped the post entirely. now its turning into a real scene. i would crop it. composition on left is basically empty space, unless you plan putting something there
>>7089820
you have SEVERE case of bad symbol drawing. you arent using reference, your anatomy is super beg, you dont know perspective... its obvious you draw for fun and that is okay, but if you want feedback... please do keys to drawing first and foremost. yes its faster to recc book than name every single wrong thing with your piece. you can even do 1 drawing for fun, then 1 project from keys and in a few months you will be MILES better
>>7089624
anybody can see the bridge was badly built (it wobbles, it collapsed, its uneven). but only advanced mechanical engineer can design/fix better bridge
>>7089549
nice
>>7089397
look at it the other way: from the bottom there is only possible to go UP
>>7089354
the eyes and nose... super uncanny
>>7089280
there are no rules, only tools and fools
>>7089219
nice furries, were you scared before to draw them?
>>7089123
very solid drawings, now level up your rendering skills and claim pro title

>>7089829
Anon you did some great work here, I noticed in the past you would draw hands a bit too small but this time they look perfect and posed nicely too! Great to see an /int/ improve, gives me inspiration

I won’t draw for this thread, either.

>>7089829
Needs WAY MORE thighs.

>primary interest is 3d modeling
>forcing myself to draw to improve my anatomy/proportions
>so far its just shitty scratchy sketches
is that good enough? surely I don't need to fuck with any sort of detail for my intended purpose yeah? impart your wisdom, o actual artists

How to get over symbol drawing?

>>7089894
embrace symbol drawing. copy anime.

im finished

>>7089882
>i wasted too much time on conspiracies
????

>>7089893
just do the anatomy in 3d, are you dumb?

>>7089909
surely both is even better though??

>>7089910
why waste time learning to draw if you want to learn 3d?

>>7089900
self critique: I kinda realize I'm decent at copying but I need to push myself more into drawing shading and inking

I really need to work on memory as well as you could probably tell

>>7089913
i mean its something I can do in a notebook at work, unlike 3d. also a lot of 3d sculptors recommend drawing.

>>7089914
oh yeah one more thing. doing the memory thing everyday is gonna improve similar to the "Draw everyday advice" right?

>>7089915
>i mean its something I can do in a notebook at work
that's fair enough, otherwise I think you should spend as much time sculpting as you can instead of doing things that aren't sculpting if that's your goal

fwap

Today's digital doodles. Spent basically the whole day experimenting with lines. On traditional and digital. Slowly figuring out what I enjoy the most and looks the best.

>>7089894
Observational drawing. Read Keys to drawing.
>>7089900
Same thing. You need to observe with more attention so you can remember and understand more when drawing from memory.

(Competently) drawing what you see is the absolute first thing any artist should know how to do before trying anything else.

>>7089918
yeah seeing if I can get a surface pro or something to bring into work - would be ass compared to my pc but whatever works. currently going through a change of leadership though. I know the current guy would be cool with it but idk if the new guy will be. not gonna waste cash on it if I can't do it ya know? still trying to get my practice in no matter what. who knows, maybe I'll learn to like 2d lol

>>7089212

>>7089718
I coomed to this thank you

>>7089882
If that's your work you have no right to look down on others, heavy dunning krueger permaprebeg

>>7089479
I'm not telling, you're clearly ESL

>>7089882
>nice furries, were you scared before to draw them?
They were not useful before. They solve new problems that I am now interested in.

>>7089482
Directly Adressing the Fallacy of Misplaced concreteness present in my own work and life circumstances forcing me into a position of brutal honesty about the depth of my commitment to making drawings. I discovered I am committed, just not to what i thought.

It helped me aquire new skills quicker, I only really figured out 'boxes' a year or so ago, and even then only a beginners grasp

>>7089212
based

>>7089919
Her left arm is atrophied and the bracelets are melting. Right feet should probably show, and no dress divides the asscheeks that much. The way the fur is drawn is the worst part of the drawing but I just can't figure out fur and hair yet, so I don't know how I would improve it. Other notes are on the pic.
Good lines. If you choose your shapes more carefully your work will improve quickly.

4x6'es

1970's probably

God he's so fucking ugly

>>7089953
Yeah i fucked up the arm and bracelets should rush less and pay more attention. The right foot missing and bad fur is because that's how it was in the reference and i did kinda exaggerate the butt because it didn't look wrong to me.
I'm experimenting with crosshatching that's why it looks wonky and random but when i get to loomis' other books after fwap i'm sure it'll improve.
Ty for feedback anon

Left is basically a copy of someone better, centerish was doing that thing where you reference images for something new.
Right was that but with less references, mostly imagination and something I know isn't good, yet I'm still kind of proud of it; the most complex independentish thing I've attempted to draw ever.

Of course I couldn't be lazy today of all days, my old god sacrificing blood demanded tribute for the fallen...

>>7090011
Nice. Is that chibi chick on the top right wearing a ball gag and a squirrel suit?

>>7090020
Kek, not sure what Araki's inspiration was but I think it's more of a diver suit.

>>7089196
Collage from last thread. I forgot to do it after putting it off for other stuff, my bad!

be honest did I fuck up the sitting pose

>>7089829
is that with reference or what?

>>7090040

has ok readability I'd give it a pass, you didn't fuck it up but yeah gives me like, vogue, maybe like dude wearing an expensive watch advertisement vibes.
Not my fetish or demographic but i like the color palette. you could also experiment with an accent to all that midtones, like on the moose thats actually a moose, you have pink in the cheeks which should em embellished more in the human.

>im in the black hat
>anon is the queen

>>7089882
>the eyes and nose... super uncanny
appreciate the feedback. The drawing looks okay to me since that's what I'm comfortable with but then it looks like ass once I start painting. Still trying to figure it out.

>>7089882
>you have SEVERE case of bad symbol drawing. you arent using reference, your anatomy is super beg, you dont know perspective... its obvious you draw for fun and that is okay, but if you want feedback... please do keys to drawing first and foremost. yes its faster to recc book than name every single wrong thing with your piece. you can even do 1 drawing for fun, then 1 project from keys and in a few months you will be MILES better
Kek. Everything you said here applies to you 100%. The absolute 0 self awarness.

i don't know what to draw anons. Where do you guys draw inspiration from? How do you even decide what to draw?

>>7090040
why are you even here, this place is obviously not where you belong
are you just fishing for attention?

>>7090080
>beg and int
?
They're fine

>>7090080
not the OP, but I find it funny that you toxic /beg/lets always start barking at anything that is mildly competent.

>>7090100
it's just one guy

>>7090051
Thank you anon! I was worried it was too stiff. Good suggestion too.
>>7090080
Two reasons, 1) There's an anon here that redlines my art and always does a great job. 2) I've been here forever, picrel is something I posted in beg a few years ago.
>Remember you're here forever.

Can someone help me on this?
Its just feel ... wrong?

>Drawing something digitally
>Feel like it's looking bad
>Flip canvas
>Instantly looks 10x better
vs
>Drawing something digitally
>Feel like it's looking good
>Flip canvas
>Instantly looks 10x worse
Can someone explain this phenomenon to me?

>>7090078
>i don't know what to draw anons. Where do you guys draw inspiration from? How do you even decide what to draw?

accidentally ran out of undos and ruined this kek

>>7090129
Looks alright in fact. Try to take it in a Franco-Belgian comics route.

>>7090130
I already closed it, was fucking around and wanted to see how far i could take a study.
I do see a lot of accuracy flaws now with fresh eyes.

>>7089882
You fellas ever wonder if lurking /beg/ is a sort of trap because shit might rub off on your, whereas if you surround yourself with high level art you'll get closer to that work level through osmosis

i have demoted myself to just drawing heads. I'll do body stuff once I can do heads well. learning feels much more manageable now that I've decided to just focus on one thing at a time instead of wanting to draw a full body anime girl with a neat pose, and clothes and etc right off the bat

>>7090147
mirin those serratus anterior

>>7090147
did you use GI joe action figures for reference?

>>7090149
I like it.

>>7089212
but this dick is not visible.how did you mesure it?

>>7089196
Fug I swear I wanted to finish hands, feet and head and clean up the lines, but I have to go and when I'll be back the thread will probably be dead

it's over, lads
Fundies, day 1

>>7089196
wasn't able to do the last thread's, but did take a shot at this one

>>7090197
It's not bad and you're fully aware of it. Stop fishing for validation and fill that page

>>7089712
Holy based

>>7089071
This is what happens when you don't study construction

>>7090149
>just heads
>one of the most elusive and complicated subjects an artist can approach
Kek, good luck anon

>>7090197
>day 1
I don't believe you. Fuck you and your demotivation attempts.

>>7090080
>>7090235
>>7090215

>>7090197
>>7090235
>OP drew basic orbs and cubes with some hatching which took about 1-2 hours.
>random /beg/let demotivated
He got mogged by orbs and cubes LMAO :-) The crabs ITT are terrible at drawing.

>>7090220

>>7090080
he literally drew a dude wearing a shirt and pants with antlers and you're acting like it's some kind of highly detailed masterpiece he spend 6 days on

>>7090197
>>7090080
Tell me ur bad at art without telling me ur bad at art.

>>7090250
cute chen

>>7090215
>>7090235
>>7090080
Tell me ur bad at art without telling me ur bad at art.

>>7090264
>zoomer tik tok lingo
Tell me you're a retard

>>7090267
>>7090268
Seeth crab.

Stop replying to crabs and bait, dumbasses. Hide posts and move on.

>>7090115
You should post in the draw thread (too). There are fairly competent artists there that could potentially help you, and if your impostor syndrome kicks in just scroll a bit and you'll see a toon of art there that belongs here.

>>7090129
>ran out of undos
What? Just paint over your mistakes to correct them. If you want to limit/challenge yourself you should set a timer.

>>7090048
Of course. I always use one or more references.

>>7090162
I may or may not have looked at more pictures of him. By accident though.

any good tutorials on drawing clouds on digital?

I recently remembered playing around with a program called alchemy a long time ago that had a tool that would create a fill of color between the start and end of a stroke and wondered if Krita had something like that, and lo and behold it did!
It's super cool, you can slap down a shadow shape in one stroke and carve bits and pieces off of or into them with the same brush set to eraser mode. If there's any Kritachads ITT you should take this brush for a spin.

>>7089829
wtf is that program

>>7090380
how new?

>>7090381
2 months

Someone please redline this before I fuck it up further, I haven't taken a break and my eyes can't properly fix the issues.

I was supposed to draw this to gauge my level but I keep finding mistakes in it.

Sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, but does anyone know any good penmanship resources?
It's p imperative that i improve on it.
Pretty please and thank you very much!

>>7090267
I'm awful and could not reproduce but i still want to draw regardless

>>7089771
>not me btw
You're not fooling anyone. Post more slut

>>7089071
How do I recreate the sort of effect on the hair in CSP?

>>7090440
Thats just a semitone effect used in printed media, pretty sure CSP has a layer setting that lets you do that.

>>7090445
Thanks man

>>7090123
If i draw what i really want i think it'll just be depressing cringey shit and i doubt that'll make me improve.

>>7090307
I'm also referencing to learn but then i ask myself. What's even the difference to just straight copying stuff.

Someone have a guide to learn how to color like this? Pretty please

>>7090456
Then draw stuff that'll make you improve and the stuff you want dude. I don't know what to tell you

>>7090460
that's painting, not coloring

>>7090457
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K6snXJg_aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_UmdDnddpg
the artist's job is to make a better version

>>7090464
Be useful bitch

>>7090457
>What's even the difference to just straight copying stuff.

Its more about how you copy and why. In my case I mainly reference for poses but I make deliberate changes depending on what I want/stylization stuff.

>>7090457
If you actually want to get good then you live and die by the reference.

>>7090464
So.... do you have it?

>>7090460
I have a guide on this and can actually do it, but im not sharing, sorry

>>7090460
you cant guide this
fundamentals
study artist

>>7090486
>you cant guide this
yes you can lol
but im not sharing

>>7090482
Sure, alla prima II.

Got too scared of adding details since it would have made the sketch flat and muddy.
Proportions are also a bit off.

>Spend hundreds of dollars and years of time to make something you'll never be satisfied with
or
>Give a SEAnigger 40 bucks on Twitter and get whatever I want drawn
>mfw

>>7090460
If you're talking about the colors, its warm colours for light source, cold colours for shadows and vice versa
If you're talking about the way it looks its plane study, anatomy, good shapes for shadow and light. It looks to be painted with only a round brush with hard edges.

>>7090494
Her right eye is a bit off and her neck looks a bit thick. But you're pretty close to the mark.

>>7090494
Did you do construction?
>>7090543
> But you're pretty close to the mark.
Well...

>>7090543
>and her neck looks a bit thick.
I think it's because I placed the neck a bit too forward.
>>7090547
>Did you do construction?
No. I just did a soft lay-in of the angles of the shapes since I haven't yet started with any perspective or construction.

LIBRARY OF RUINA????

>>7090559
Your art is shit and you should kill yourself for being such a fucking loser

>>7090562
someone is jealous
why not draw your insult, challenge that anon you are insulting to a duel by drawing
you do draw, don't you?

>>7090460
interesting ref

>>7090570
>someone is jealous
Yes, me. I'm staying quiet though.

>>7090562
Googly eyes is 100 times better than you'll ever be

>>7090497
I know this is bait but what the fuck is a seanigger?

>>7090608
Presumably SEA = south east asia?

>>7090608

>>7090619
kek

What do I need to improve on for next time?

requests from v drawthread

>>7090640
Heads for sure.

>>7090497
>spend nothing and have AI shit out something acceptable

Anyone happen to have a .pdf of Tom Fox's anatomy book?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anatomy-for-Artists-Volume-2/dp/1912843420

If anyone does mind sharing it? I heard it's really good.

>>7090688
iirc It's available on the artbook thread

>>7090702
I had a look, couldn't find it.

Mind linking to it?

>>7090702
Nvm I found it.

>>7090676
Yeah they look weird. Anything else?

it almost feels like i'm ngmi with observation
i go out of my way to focus on it in practice then overlay my fig ontop of the reference only to find out i somehow turned an almost vertical line into one that's almost perfectly horizontal instead

>>7090764
Lots, but one step at a time anon.

>>7090647
flat colours

I just think drawing is kind of fun

>>7090793
GMI
Show what you're working on

whats wrong with this

>>7090826

>>7090826
I like it. I am going to steal it for reference. Thanks bucko.

>>7090836
hm? its obviously wrong though. like not "technically wrong" it's "practically wrong" you can see at first glance its not right, seems like you could use it as inspiration as best

>>7090826
those huge tumors on her chest

>>7090826
I'm not good enough to redline it or even properly explain it but it feels like her bottom half is misaligned, like her top half doesn't sit correctly on it, if that makes sense.
Hip angle seems to match, maybe it's the way the legs are facing.
Great draw though, I like her expression

>>7090826
take this opinion w/ a grain of salt but it feels like the head should be bigger at that angle especially on an anime-style fig, it could just be the comically oversized tits throwing me off though

>>7090826
>>7090846
Looked at it a bit more and I think it's that the perspective on the lower half is wrong. Top half looks like we're supposed to be looking at her slightly from above but the belly and legs are eye-level

>>7090844
don't insult other people's tastes
>>7090849
no man even with the tits xray its wrong
also you havent seen comically oversized
>>7090851
the perspective is fucked all over, it would be easier to list what doesnt need to be fixed

at least I drew today

at least i drew today

>wants to draw anime girls
>feels fun drawing scenarios and doodling shit
How can I stop this addiction?

>>7090826
i cannot see it....bros...

Working on Krita.
How do you guys easily organize "versions"?
Lets say I am drawing a male figure and I just need to change his cock (soft,chub,erect) Just keep the cock in different layers?

>>7090884
just draw an anime girl in your scenario

just my "daily".

Where do you guys get your references?

>>7090911
From my 4000 file folder tailored specifically to my tastes

>>7090911
Tiktok, Baraag, Nicovideo, Instagram, You,now and Music.ly back when they existed.

>>7090906
That's cute

hamnd

>>7090906
Now draw them dying [spoiler] honorable, valiant deaths in the heart of battle as a heroic last stand

tried to do cloud

>>7090916
>>7090923
War. War never changes

Sup beg, finally managed to have okay draw session after days of distractions and failures. (its still beg)

>>7090906
is that you? the teddy anon?
>>7090901
group layers
>>7090884
>how can i make myself stop having fun with drawing?
dont do it anon
>>7090774
i kneel
>>7090770
drawing is hard. persist
>>7090640
drawing floor and on it casted shadows is very easy and it stops them awkwardly floating midair
>>7090460
this is literally basic bitch round brush digital painting with zero polishing
>>7090437
i kneel
>>7090403
Guptill Rendering in Pen and Ink
>>7090392
the middle of lips isnt visually aligned with middle of face. but some people have sunken in / pushed out lips a lot, so it might not even be a mistake. i dont see anything else
>>7090197
day 1 and you already mog quite a few anons with perspective and shading abilities. you are GMI
>>7089984
nice + get clean paper without lines
>>7089907
imagine you have time to draw from 19 to 23 and you spend 19 to 22 talking with schizos on discord about conspiracies. very bad for drawing
>>7090942
lovely

>>7090959
honestly wish i could see your thoughts as you draw this, what are you even trying? what is your goal? and im not saying long term, what is your goal for this drawing session in particular

>>7090962
Powell has been doing this shit for AGES, Don't question it.

>>7090972
I wanna see him try the tomfox book
it would be a great clash of autism

>>7090959
>nice + get clean paper without lines
thanks but are graphs a cheat or do they just ruin the sketch?

do u guys think Bargue plates are a good way to practice? Just finished this Barg to get a bit unrustier

>>7091017
very cool
how long did this take?

>>7091035
Not sure, but I know it took me 22 minutes to shade it after I finished the outlines in this pic
so maybe like 40 minutes? not sure

>>7091017
Not dark enough.

>>7090774
I cant draw and wasn't able to solve it but I believe something silly happens with legs. I know its too late

>>7091077
yeah, her right leg is a lot longer

>>7090826
my attempt
>>7091077
good catch bro
now I can't unsee it
unfortunately I already delivered it

Hello, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this.

I want to learn more about visual art for two main reasons, to design/flesh out OCs and to mess around making 3d models/animations. I don't think I need to learn how to draw to do these things, but I don't know enough to be sure. Would it be necessary/very beneficial to go through the google doc and learn how to draw?

Trying to do backgrounds is super hard.

>>7091151

>>7091151
I am sure that when you sculpt/color/animate characrers in blenders, you'll magically gain knowledge about perspective, anatomy, stylization, shading, color theory, composition etc. LMAO. Go on. Make me laugh :). Even real life sculptors have to make several sketches before lifting their chisel.

>>7091158
okay gotcha. my perspective was it's probably enough to read about this stuff and then try to translate it by experimenting in blender/etc. So definitely start from the basics? thanks for the insight

>>7091151
>>7091158
>>7091163
>https://dad.gallery/users/1696
Browse the gallery above to answet your question.
I am not the onwer of the galleru btw.

How the fuck the one that don't use construction looks better that the stiff blocky shit I attempted later?.

>>7091167
ahhhhh I get the gist now. :(. thanks

>>7091169
I forget to mention the redlined one is tracing. Ref image as pic related.

>>7091171
Yup! You have to learn drawing/painting first.

>>7090774
This looks amazing anon, love the Mio you drew. Also quick question, are you the french anon? I love your new art style, also how'd you learn body proportions from head to toe if you don't mind me asking?

>>7090826
Turbopermabeg here. Can't make the perspective. I am truly fucked here.

can I get a redline for the top of her head/hair outline? seems wrong to me but I can't figure out how to make it right

>>7091202

I'm too lazy to learn to shade but heres a tiger

is it just me or is there something off about the head placement

>>7091096
So perhaps it were the breasts making the whole figure look weird

>>7091017
Compare the values. Get 4b and 6b pencils

>>7091169
>How the fuck the one that don't use construction looks better
hm its almost like
its almost like
its almost like

>>7090959
>i dont see anything else
I swear there's something about the eyes, maybe it'll click eventually. Ty Pawell. Btw is that just a pen name or are you also some flavor of slav?

>>7091329
pyw anti construction crab

>>7091334
I'm just an angel on your shoulder, trying to get you to notice something obvious that you're one inch away from realizing, I'm you, look at your own work, it will move you that last inch

>>7091344
Post. Your. Work. Crab.

protip: you won't

>>7091346
here you go bro, my (your) work, OUR WORK

lel

>>7091347
pyw crab.

>>7091351
I did? are you retarded?

>>7091169
>Look better
They look the same to me.
>stiff
You are a beginner.

>>7091353
You didn't.
Pyw. Crab.

Remember /ic/, the master has failed more times than the beginner has tried. So keep grinding

>>7091358
aye sir o7

>>7091169
it depends on habbits but you need to start from something more gestural and overall and solidify it after. watch Hampton(?) or something

When you learn japanese you learn 2 things in one, drawing and a language.

pls criticize bros pls

>>7091373
No composition

>>7091357
>>7091347

>>7091380
what's composition
Are you talking about proportions?

>>7091384
you can use google to find out various meanings of words

>>7091384
No, he's talking about composition. Probably why he used that word

please does anyone have that image of a list of recommended books to study in order. I can't find it anywhere on any archive or google searches

>>7091400
It's in this video somewhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ2tfyfEdlc

hehe

>>7091384
Here's a quick video on it
https://youtu.be/56y-oRK7EKg?si=BGLGqPeuZKux7kWD

>>7091427
I like this. Would be better if feet and hand weren't half-assed.