/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7087458
That seems like a bad idea, but idk if its enough to kill off twt since its still easy to get traction on the site.
Might try misskey or pixiv

I really hope we will get to the point of death of social medias and will return back to creating own websites(blogs)

Depends on your skill level
If you're beg just don't go unless you have sizable following and know some mutuals

>>7087458
“Free speech” platform btw

Sounds like an attempt to deal witht he spam created by blue checkmarks, how about FUCK YOU FLEECING SCAMMING SPAMMING USELESS NIGGERS TURNING THE INTERNET INTO A RATRACE TO THE BOTTOM

>>7087458
Isn't it beneficial for small accounts? People tend to be attracted more to what is already popular and avoid unpopular options.

>>7087501
This is a cope.
You just need to know how to market your art

>>7087458
Insane. Is he that upset over getting ratioed a few times?

>>7087504
This, only shitters coping because they can’t any likes want this, i have a feeling those blue checks fucks got tired of getting no likes or “raito’d” by everyone and musk want them to be happy. Same with youtube when corpos got tired of massive amount of dislikes being shown for their horseshit product.
>>7087501
It’s not, it will even be worse, he’s still keeping the views

>>7087458
I'll just be where the artists I like post
I get the obsession with numbers, but they become kind of meaningless when you realize a bunch of them are bots

>>7087501
This is a cope.

Likes are actual metrics of the quality of a post, a view doesn't means anything.

A bot farm can easily amplify views, muddling the quality metrics of the posts that get priorized by the algorithm.

A my pussy in bio post by a bot below a popular post, will get thousands of views, will get as much priority as a good post with thousands of likes.

>>7087458
Youtube's been trying to recommend this video to me for months on end, I still haven't seen it, even blocked it but it still shows up. That should tell you everything to know about these platforms.

>>7087458
Hi Elon!

>>7087512
I think that as long as we (the artists) can see the numbers, it should be fine

I don't get why you would hide those stats from the person who made the post though

you need some way to visualize the quality of a post so that you can make better posts

if 400K people saw my post, does that mean anything if they didn't click on it? ignoring bots, a like at least means the person who saw it liked something enough to spend time and energy tapping that button

>>7087536
yeah, they can be useful as some kind of A/B testing for appeal
and by removing the display people will be less inclined to interact with anything, as visual feedback is important for users

>>7087538
yep, that's the biggest issue. views on social media like twitter, istagram, and so on are fucking useless unless it's youtube or maybe tiktok.

>>7087558
Views on a video means people are engaging with the content, that's how video sites rate content.

Views on a image or text doesn't necessarily means engagement with content, that's not how social media rates content quality.

Elon is a retard techbro that talks shit about things broadly outside his domain area or knowledge, what else is new.

>>7087536
You will be able to see the likes of your own post but not the likes of posts that are not yours.
Its essentially the same way tumblr used to work.
Your last comment is why this is a good idea because people are self censoring for the sake of likes rather than posting stuff they want to post.

>>7087458
Based on my own usage, I support this.
I only look at who's retweeting/liking my posts from my timeline. I tune out their retweets, I can go to their account if I feel like checking that out.
This change will actually encourage people to actively retweet more. This rewards retweeting, not being retweeted.

>>7087458
No place is ever goat anymore om Internet 3.0, the sooner you realize 90% of twatter engagement is just bots, bots and bots, you realize that its all worthless.

>>7087804
bot activity got even worse when muskrat took over.

>>7087804
This, Elon musk is just a rat, all the stupid ass blue checkmark does is allows you to make longer tweets and edit them within 30 minutes, thats it, it does NOT, I REPEAT, it does NOT un-shadowban you, it does NOT search un-ban you, it does NOT removes astroturfing, it does NOT remove harmful bot scams, it does NOT put you in front page priority, it does NOT create more engagement, it does NOT allows you more visibility, it does NOT gatekeep the prog junkirs, and it does NOT protect you from furry faggots false flaggin you.

Elon just came up with this scheme to make back the money he lost on purchasing the website because he couldnt walk it off and realized he fucked up, plus the DDoS attacks he let happened which is why he bottlenecked non verified accounts for a few weeks, oh and did you know that he made it so that on Mobile you can get doxxed easily when someome calls you or contacts you and your IP is displayed!?

Fuck Elon Musk, he is a RAT!

>>7087471
I want the internet to die and we go back to showing each other our sketchbooks at cafes, walking around the city, visiting museums, and drawing in large groups

>>7087530
>Youtube Astroturfing
>ever

No

>>7087822

it’s never going to happen

>>7087822
what's stopping you?

>>7087458
> Twitter
Wanna see my pussy? Link in bio

>>7087471
it's not happening and it's only going to get worse
by 2030 the internet will be too much for zoomers

>>7087530
I keep getting that one and pic related

What is Elon musk? Seriously. What the hell is Elon Musk!?

>>7087458
This is the same thing ad youtube removing dislikes, and only makes people more frustrated and lash out even more.

If you think some shit sucks, and you can click a single button that says "this shit sucks" AND very importantly, you can SEE the result in a number going up, you will be much less inclined to argue and be toxic. But when you have no other way to express that you dislike something, you have to flame people in the replies, because there is no other way to say you don't like it. If there's no feedback, it's like talking to a wall. It's frustrating, and then eventually boring and you quit.

>>7087820
So what you're saying is... he's a Muskrat?

>>7087458
no power is greater than X
>>7087887
he is the next great philosopher king

>>7087887
uhh, how do 99% of people use it? because from what I see it's the same thing as described, but extended to an hour

if you don't draw anime, don't use pixiv. Japanese and Koreans don't really like soulless dnd type work. It's better to try Newgrounds or a short memory platform like TikTok.

how good at drawing do I have to be before I can make a social media account?
I've been on 4chan for so long that I've never had real social media

>>7087458
why haven't they banned NSFW yet?

is patreon cooked for nsfw, it seems like they ban a lot of shit these days but enforce it arbitrarily. dom/sub shit regularly gets pulled for violating community guidelines

>The more likes the better the post quality is

What level of brain damage does one need to believe this?

>>7088277
I started posting on the internet when I was like 12 and my art looked like absolute shit

>>7087530
the algorithm knows you better than you'd like to admit

>>7088286
Twitter is 99% funded by porn bots

>>7087889
People are forgetting that the point of social media is supposed to be to exchange ideas, not to consume content.

You give someone a megaphone to say they want to force everyone to be raped by a group of wild bonobos, you need at least a way for people to tell the person that his idea is retarded.

Likes are more or less a voting system, if your post has the reach of millions but only three or so likes, it's people using the mechanism they have to disagree with you.

It's also the sign of endorsement of a content, something my pussy in bio bots can't get organically.

I dislike social media for several reasons but being forced to deal with it, it's a system that left alone, more or less works when is not being outright games by algorithms and paid astroturfing, (it always is tho)

>>7089020
here's the thing. engaging with content will just bump the op and they will make money off of it. commenting on post will boost you up in the algorithm by a fuck load, which leads to people like him getting paid. "Voting system" you mentioned is needed, because any retard can say some dumb ass shit and actually benefit from it. This system in place would make it where you don't get rewarded for your opinions.

>>7089024
Doesn't takes a genius to see that 99% of people won't click a post to interact with it, if they have no indication of the quality or relevance of the content.

The site will give the impression of a ghost city.

>>7087458
this will kill engagement. people engage because they see others engaging. people won't engage more thoughtfully without the numbers telling them what to think. they just won't engage.

>>7089034
oh they will, it's human nature to react to post like that regardless of quality, but likes/dislikes make it easier for them not to interact.

>>7087887
>2-4 minute bursts of doom scrolling eventually culminating in a single word reply
How else do you use twitter?

>>7089036
Exact, you are creating friction on engagement on an app that people experience by scrolling down mindlessly like zombies.

>>7087471
That would be nice, but average schmuck has been brainwashed into believing that phones aren't general computing devices. The idea of citizen agency in the field of IT is sadly lost.

>>7087471
fucker the internet is already dead, there are only bots, mentally unstable manginas and females, might as well be nothing

>>7087458
how do I even grow on twitter?

>>7087458
im on the fediverse

https://oekakiskey.com/

>>7087465
>That seems like a bad idea
No, it's a good idea: it'll contribute to improve the content's quality, and make the likes more meaningful.

>>7087501
It'll work not just for small accounts, think about it.

>>7087530
>>7087867
If I had a social platform, I'll remove all videos with women flirting for clicks (men too, but I rarely see men doing it), and block the accounts for weeks.

>>7087570
>Elon is a retard techbro that talks shit about things broadly outside his domain area or knowledge, what else is new.
For sure, knowing what Elon's domain area or knowledge are is definitely in *your* domain area or knowledge, and you're not talking shit about something broadly outside the your domain area or knowledge.

Man, why hateful niggers are always projecting so hard?

>>7087887
The guy in the screen doesn't understand why it's being done.

that sounds like a terrible idea which is great. fuck shitter.

>>7088299
Patreon probably has the best reach in terms of how many people will subscribe to you, but it's fairly easy to get kicked off the platform due to how asinine their trust and safety team is. It's worth it if you're posting things that abide by their draconian rules... otherwise, don't bother.

>>7090743
There is no such a thing as quality content on Twitter under Elon, most of the bots flooding the site pay for a subscription.

Having visible likes and comments is the only good quality indicator of organic interaction between human users and not robots.

>>7087822
HELL for introverts like me

>>7090730
>oekaki sky
is this a riff on b.sky? looks neat

>>7091681
>skey
my bad, im retarded please understand

My wisdom is to just shotgun your art across as many platforms as possible using PostyBirb, period.

You will definitely have to keep in mind all the different posting standards of every site, but shoehorning yourself to just one site is fucking stupid and has been a repeatedly stupid idea.

I would argue you should also keep your own personal site as a proper gallery for your work that doesn't have to contest with some sites re-compressing your work, among other problems.

>>7087471
The one good that will come out of AI is that it will assrape every single social media platform, no vaseline. It has already begun Inshallah.

>>7091475
Hmpf, in my experience, plenty of likes and messages are automated (nft seekers, presence increase bots)

Quality content should speak for itself, no need for visible likes & cie.

Not commenting on the actual quality, I think it's really user specific. But if the quality was high, there'd be no need to make move at improving it

>>7090730
Can you speak japanese?

>>7087887
>Tap and hold to open a menu or something
I know jack shit about UX design but I feel the core feature of your app/website shouldn't require two clicks.

Unless it's
>Hold
>Open a wheel with 3 sections (like, RT, both)
>Swipe in desired section
>Release
>Some animation plays so you get dopamine

but that'd still be cringe and take thrice as long for no reason

>>7087458
is this fake or just him testing the waters?
I remember seeing tons of posts saying he would remove quote retweeting but function is still there, also he would limit the amount of tweets you could see to a few hundred but I guess that got fixed?

>>7091680
you VILL socialize and you VILL like it

>>7092848
I mean, we're talking about a major business here, if they make that kind of choice, it's not the random caprice of a fancy dude.

Augmenting the number of steps is commonly used as a "dark" UI pattern to discourage people from using customer services and the like.

Based on that alone, can you figure out why it'd actually be a good idea for X to do so?

>>7087465
Pixiv never show the amount of bookmarks or likes a post have until you click on the post in the first place. Are zoomies that addicted over internet clout?

>>7092888
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1765560226462486988

> Twitter

>>7090522
>there are only bots, mentally unstable manginas and females
Which one are you?

>>7087458
So they are actively pushing ragebait and hugely unpopular corporateslop?

>>7093816
yep, despite all of this, a lot of major ad companies left twitter because of him. the ads I see now a days are some ai slop generator ads , mobile games ones, or get more fake bot follower as well.

>>7093822
Same the ads I see on Twitter nowadays

> Mobile games
> NFT or crypto scams
> AI generators

I wonder what the hell happened.

>>7092835
no and you don't need to
the ui is in english

>>7087458
Lmao no. Current meta is making AI generated pics of sand Jesus on Facebook with a caption going "no one likes my art, can I get an Amen please???".
Instant 200k likes and 5k comments.

Asking here:
When you look at art on any social media, do you like it/read what artists wrote about their art? Or do you like it more with no text at all (like hungry clicker) or just tags?

I've noticed that no text art gets more likes than long shit description

>>7094721
I read here a long time ago that longer text pushes you down in the algorithm so you should keep it minimal, just enough to convey the quick idea when people are scrolling. In general long text looks like you’re trying to make up for poor art quality by making excuses for yourself but I would read it if a good artist wrote a long description about their thought processes and that sort of thing.

>>7094721
why would you ever write anything about it? a picture should stand on its own, and if questions do come up, it's free engagement, so what exactly does writing preemptively accomplish?
if you do write anything, it should be engagement bait

>>7094304
>I wonder what the hell happened.
corporate patronage through advertising is how social policy get enforced. musk went off the script too much so his corporate welfare got taken away.

>>7087530
>Youtube's been trying to recommend this video to me for months on end, I still haven't seen it, even blocked it but it still shows up
it means he loves you Anon. give her a chance
Verification not required.

>>7087471
You can already do that? There’s nothing stopping you.
I have multiple individual websites that I visit outside of the big social media sites.

>>7094689
gullible christian boomers are basically facebook's main demographic

>>7087458
>pic
Seems like a good idea. All the other metrics correlate.
>>7087471
Enjoy no publicity, retard.

>>7087458
Yea. You will grow even with shit work. Someone will either pitty you are enjoy your autistic scribbles.

Misskey for anime art

>>7087458
Brainlet here, what's the goal of this change?

>>7096552
>Enjoy no publicity, retard.
NTA, but if enough people go back to personal websites, you'll have businesses proposing good organic search and discoverability as a result, because you'll have enough people ready to pay for it (directly or indirectly).

>>7096644
Probably this >>7087501

>>7087471
>>7087856
>2035
>can't access the internet without verifying your identity first
>not having a smartphone puts you on a terrorist watchlist

>>7097127
Uncle Ted was right all along.
When AI "assistants" get implemented onto every major operating system and phone and the entire modern world becomes dependent on them to get anything done, we won't even be able to research how to build the pipebombs needed to bring the government down. ChatGPT will stop you from criticizing the internet on the internet. Anonymity will be gone.
Enjoy 4chan while it lasts. Soon you won't be able to even type the word faggot, let alone navigate to a dangerous 'off platform' site that the AI has detected the word on.
Context determining AI that auto censors your drawings of anime titties in real time as you draw? Can't wait.

>>7097158
>Enjoy 4chan while it lasts.
This site only persists to be used as a honeypot. We're all already on a list.

>>7096873
that can never happen unless people are literally unable to use social media.
if people start leaving social media sites, the sites to sustain themselves will try to incentivize users to stay through shady methods (i.e. temporary algorithm boost, temporarily inflating their payment mechanisms etc) before they can enshittify again.
99% of people are self interested, so they stay on social media, even though it doesn't benefit them in any meaningful way except artificially.

Why not Deviantart?

>>7097752
I think technological illiteracy and the mediocrity of contemporary organic search, in part because of spammers and people playing the search algorithms, are more to blame.

Passionate people aren't self-interested about their passion, they just share their stuff, no strings attached. There are plenty of websites out there, they're just poorly accessible.

Like, https://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/ is a treasure trove, but it's inconvenient to use.

>>7097778
99% ai slop

>>7097927
Just like /ic/

>>7087458
No. Twitter is a bird

>>7097927
I mean I started out on DA in like 2012, maybe earlier. Back then there wasn't AI and it had so many good (and bad) artists. I wonder what happened to them. I stopped posting there because I got addicted to games. Ever since I felt like I don't belong there, but DA is as art community as it gets, yet I seldom hear it mentioned.

>>7097868
>Passionate people aren't self-interested about their passion
i don't know how you can say this on this bored when half the threads are about social media likes and/or making money
Where are those passionate people you speak of? Where are they hiding?