/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

FIRST!!!

I took the Pawelpill, i'm already feeling it, kurwa pierogi ja pierdole kielbasa Solidarnosc Lwow nasze PiS CD Projekt RED.

Be noticed that i got bored 2 minutes in and started doodling "kewt" animals.

To the anon from the last thread i look at Pawel to learn ancient SARMATIAN wisdom that makes Loomis and all those Japanese guys look like chumps, it's a R1A haplogroup thing you wouldn't get it.

>>7086601
Yeah you said that already.

Spent 4-5 hours on this, think it turned out pretty good. Hopefully as I get more experienced I can shit out a drawing like this in under an hour
One thing I noticed is that I tend to make the limbs too small/short. I caught myself this time, and tried adjusting as best as I could

>>7086601
needs more random text overlays

The pose for this thread has a cool perspective. Give it a try!

>tfw you were 7 posts too slow to make new general

Please explain to me wtf is gesture and why do we do it, what is its purpose. If I should spend hours on drawing still lifes, then why should I make these dynamic stuff on figure drawings?

Also, should I really practice that as a beginner? Drawing a still human from a picture is hard enough. and idk proportions. I feel like this gesture stuff just makes things more complicated. But Im not gonna back off from a challenge.

>>7086607
youre picking too difficult of poses. most of us can barely draw a standing pose let alone this.

>>7086611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktfwayByRU&
You got Google, boss?

>>7086611
gesture helps with making poses look more fluid, like look at any manga or anime you've watched, especially the action scenes. you'll notice their poses are fluid or not so stiff (hopefully). that's because of gesture. Gesture captures the motion, Construction captures the form of the being.

>>7086613
>first question comes from loliman777
My sides

Decided to take the timer off and slow down on figure sketches as I try to get better at representing the main masses of the body. Still not really "feeling the form" but I've only been learning for 2 months so I think more mileage is really the key. Also going to work my way up to more complete mannequinization with the Proko figure fundies course.
Any feedback appreciated.

>>7086603
Well as far i'm concerned my braincells(both of em) have been replaced by newer ones and my nervous system is hosting a whole lot of new chemical reactions (most of them from smoking crack), so i don't know how much continuity i can claim to have with the being that posted last thread, it's a ship of theseus thing.

>>7086606
I lack the intellect and willpower to properly do that, Pawel got that cool template already done, i should see if i can COMPLETELY ripofff it one of those days, perchance.

>>7086612
if a pose is too difficult to constrooct you could treat it as a pure observation exercise

7086631
It's okay to bait but at least be funny

>>7086611
>>7086613
>>7086628
is there a "gesture explained for mentally impaired people" guide? All this shit is too next level for my ass.

how do I make the perspective of the bg better here?

>>7086648
>>7086635

>>7086611
>>7086613
>>7086628
>>7086648
actually nevermind, Im just tired and a little lacking in confidence. I will come back after some study and then we'll see

>>7086635
Eh i admit it's no laugh factory material but i'm not seeing how it's bait seeing that the only person it denigrates is my very self, anyway my apologies + check these.

>>7086607
And the collage of last thread's drawings. You guys are doing awesome, it's cool seeing a large collection of artists drawing the same thing regardless of skill level.
>>7086612
You don't have to draw it if you don't want. But the point is to push your comfort zone!

Do I still have to draw 1000 boxes and copy Bridgman twice if my goal is to draw really simplified cartoon characters, barely more complex than a doodle? What's the best approach with a simple goal like that? I'm assuming I still need to practice at the very least basic shapes/forms, perspective and gesture though?

>>7086661
maybe not 1000 boxes but stuff like you mentioned would prolly help if you wanna do so special things with said cartoon characters (i.e: birds eye view or w/e)

>>7086661
I want you to spend as much time thinking about the answer for yourself as you did typing all that up.

>>7086674
I have been thinking about it for a while already, I basically just need some external confirmation (ideally supported by personal experience) as a final push.

>>7086654
If you find something. Do share

>>7086676
That's cool and all, but it's also hard to gauge where you're at or what you're looking to accomplish through a paragraph of text. I'm going to assume you want to draw like Greg Heffley and say you're doing just fine.

You're not giving us much of anything ya dunce.

Only 3 bunnies more...

>be me
>spend about 1 hour and a bit scribbling this chick's face
>shapes up well!
>one problem: i suck Super Donkey Balls at painting eyes
>the entire face looks like crap because of them
>spend another 1 hour and a half fucking around with that godforsaken part of the anatomy
>myeyes.mp4
>start cursing those things aloud
>go as far as to write this pathetic, abject post in another thread out of sheer frustration >>7086539
>at one point i accept my fate and give her funny shades to hide my incompetence
>face gets 1000x better

Why are eyes like this???

>>7086686
Okay, after rereading it again, I guess my post was a tad too vague indeed. Alright, I'll be back later with examples.

>>7086699
What are you talking about anon the eyes look fine. I have no idea what you're on about

>>7086699
one eye is higher up than the other

>Get back to drawing at /beg/ level with hopes of escaping this time around
>Few days in depression wins and i just end up not doing anything ever again
At this point i'm just getting tired of this.
Sry i won't blogpost after this one. I just wish i had it in me to be consistent instead of being a retard sadboy.
Good luck to all actual practicioners ITT.

Tips?

>>7086706
you erased t he crazy spianl curvature.
Her neck looks unhealthy in the pic.
Ig you just improved on the ref but it's an issue if you were going for accurate portrayal.
Try gesture drawing to get better at getting the overall shape/dynamic of the body.
Idk i'm not that good take what's above with a grain of salt/

>>7086703
Wouldn't be able to tell you the problem myself. If I knew it, I could've fixed them. I just suck at eyes.

>>7086704
Eh, maybe that contributes to it, but I'm not sure if simply nudging the right eye would solve the problem. The left eye looks like shit as well. And desu i'm starting to have second thoughts about the face too lmao

>>7086705
Shut up and draw more ants.

>>7086712
When the fuck did "desu" sneak in my post, i didn't write that

>>7086714
I don't have faith that it'll result in me getting better, but i guess i don't have much choice but to.

>>7086607
I've been tracing recently because I used to have a hard time just using a reference , so I did this one without tracing.

>>7086704
Very slightly. I don't think it makes that much of a difference in the overall face's appearance.

>>7086716
t.b.h turns into desu iirc

I wish AI didn’t just rob shit and wasn’t shitty slop and could get anatomy perfect because it would make for perfect fucking unique refs if it didn’t. But it fucks up a lot, I assume. The hands obviously.

>>7086724
now I see I fucked up with the face in particular
oh well

>>7086725
It's not very slight at all. Very noticable. almost an entire eyes height off.

>>7086727
I have no retort to AI because i suck at art.
Only like a 0.1% of a 1% can do this shit better than the bots at this point.
It's not even like most art has any value to it, people just like to larp otherwise. It's sorta like wine-tasting.

>>7086709
>Try gesture drawing to get better at getting the overall shape/dynamic of the body.
I thought i was doing that....

>>7086739
i mean the spine line doesn't look anything close to ref.
Unless i'm crazy or you just tried to straighten her out.
But she's exaggerated in the ref and gesture exaggerates even further so idk what happened there

>>7086687
>this shit have like 3000 followers on Instagram
>the friends of pavel do actual illustrations and barely reach 100
I can't fathom how much people is retarded there

>>7086609

>>7084395
>>7084398
>>7084393

>>7086745
technical skill only matters for circlejerk between people who achieved mastery over the craft. No normie will ever give a flying fuck about composition or the light source looking real or whatever the fuck.
They just love FOTM/stupid concepts/Tits(so do i to be fair)
Draw a popular VTuber in mock-jojo style and you'll instantly get a billion bajilion likes even if it'll be the most technically deficient drawing ever

>>7086751
How did you get so good?

>>7086699
left eye doesnt look like its properly sunken in, i think the right eye looks good

>>7086745
what a faggot, lmao

Do you guys know what it looking at, that's all I need to know this is my first time doing environment drawings

>>7086751
Again bro? Have a (you)

>>7086743
Oh you mean it was more arqued in the reference? I just noticed. Damn i really fucked up

>>7086757
he redraws other peoples posts constantly and at first its pretty cool but then you just wonder why he does it

>>7086772
>Damn i really fucked up
It's ok, if anything you made her spine look not fucked up.
Also don't take my advice too seriously. I'm lightyears behind you skill-wise. I was just saying what little feedback i had

posting this wip here as well since /alt/ is kinda slow. any critiques on the clothing? It might have ended up too stylized

>>7086751
Veronica Lodge provokes lust in me.

>>7086706
Other anon already mentioned the spine thing, the stiffness thing etc.
I marked what I think is the line of action on the ref, and another line that juxtaposes it in quite a cool way.
You can use some spots like I did with her chin as reference to quickly compare and see where other parts of her body should be approximately. This is learned in observational drawing.

>>7086591

>>7086706
I marked what I think is the line of action and another line that contributes to the flow of the figure.
You can use spots like her chin to compare and see where other parts of her body should be approximately. This is taught in observational drawing books like ktd.

>>7086607

>>7086745
>why are things I like unpopular and things I hate popular?
Because you have shit tier taste in art. The Coomers are right because they outnumber you 1000 to 1!

Is morpho any good?

>>7086856
yes

How do you draw loose clothes on figures like this without it turning into a blob and while still accentuating the curves?

>>7086856
What is morpho

>>7086872
Make it tighter around the breasts and waist so it wraps around the form of the curves and show that with your shading. It doesn’t have to be perfectly realistic if you want to draw sexy waifus but you should also look at photos of busty women in loose sweaters too to see how the breasts affect the shape of the sweater.

>>7086699
Fiddled a little bit more with it, but there's nothing substantive I can do. I dislike how I often tend to go into detail right away and end up with a polished turd, no disrespect meant towards the subject in the ref. I'm going to bed.

folds are hard but fun to draw

>>7086607

>>7086905
>>7086872

I looked up refs and did some experimenting, I think its best if the sweater only clings to the breasts not the waists. I noticed in anime pics of busty girls in sweaters, they have this "Y" shape above the breasts that don't show up in actual photos, I think that's pretty key to selling the illusion. Thanks for the input!

What do i learn from using reference to draw and drawing by observation?

maid welcomes you

>>7086856
good for reference but not enough instruction for beginners. the first couple were great, the newer ones seem a it rushed and sloppy.

>>7086954
Expanding your mental library, figuring out what makes an artist's work look satisfying and integrating it into your own work, figuring out different methods of creation and seeing what works best with your soul, etc etc etc... loosey goosey I know but just trust me bro

>>7086872
Last sketch for now but literally shading the breasts as spheres here seems to work too. This probably wouldn't fly for more realistic styles though

Bros I want to stop learning to draw over AI what should I do?

sup beg, i am shadow banned on twitter. the algo thinks i am porn maker

>>7086906
painter chad
>>7086892
Michel Lauricella, maker of morpho anatomy books
>>7086872
there is a reason why every single fat woman wears loose clothes: they obscure the form. it is like asking how to draw dry water
>>7086810
SOUL + i kneel
>>7086776
whats up with the triangle shooting out of her shoulder?
>critiques on the clothing
the "drapery folds" suggest she is clad in metal armor instead of cloth cause thats how stiff it looks like
>>7086705
why do we fall? so we can get up and keep walking.
>>7086687
i coom
>>7086661
https://archive.org/details/famous-artists-cartooning-course
Preston Blair Cartoon Animation
Jack Hamm Cartooning the Head and Figure
Walt Stanchfield Drawn to Life
>>7086601
my man, that doesnt look like ANYTHING i do. at all. you didnt even signed it or put your blog handle in it.

>>7086721
You're gonna draw some more fucking ants AND YOU WILL LOVE IT

>>7086977
the gigachad face in the bottom middle lmao

○~○ gg

>>7086971
My brother how do you shade like that with those squares.

>>7086977
nigga just study taco before you go to vilppu ultra realistic anatomy, there is no need for all that fluidity and movement that vilppu does, you want to make coom games so study taco books my god are you retarded by chance?

>>7086977
the big back view in blue is quite nice, good job

>>7086607

going back to coom art

>>7086813
Thanks for the tips, anon. I'll use those spots that you poiint out so i know if the lines are actually in place.

is this any better? let me know if my construction is retarded. i didnt do a quick shade because i wanted it to stay visible.

>>7087028
Feel like the neck is too far back. It would seem to imply that her face is really far forward.

>>7087033
i see what you mean. thanks.

fuck me it just looks like my last shitty attempt at this pose
i am not having fun with my pencil anymore

how hard would it be to learn to do anime girls in water colour?

>>7086987
FAKKA YU RENDELU FAGGU! I HATE RENDALU FAGUS !

OOOH LOOKA ATA MEE!!! I CANT DLAW BUTA MUSTU LENDELU ELELITHINGU SO PEOPRU CANNA LIKE MY DLAWING! HAHAHA ME GENIUS HAHAHA

>>7086987
Renderchad
vs
>>7087061
the virgin linesketcher

>>7086987
ALSO I MUST MILLOR MY IMAGU SO ITA ROOK OLIGINAL

>>7086591
If you could start over again with art as a NEET with 24 hours of free time a day, what would you do ? (my situation)
Nothing to post image wise cause all I have is coobs.

Recentish stuff for the oc threads.

>>7086605
Good stuff man. Speed is definitely something you pick up with thoughtful practice and it's good that your mindful of your weak points.

>>7086776
Soul. Do you have a blog? I wish I could give C&C but I struggle with clothing myself.

>>7086957
A cute!

>>7087061
drawing is worthless, renderGODS are where its at

how does this work? i know im doing it wrong, but im very low iq and cant wrap my head around it. if its not clear, the images are supposed to represent a table with some blocks on it. the first one is a head-on look at it. the second one is a top down view. the third one is from an angle looking down. how do i improve this?

>>7087065
if i started over i would watch boomer painting courses right from the start because watching painting tutorials helped me more than drawing ever did

Can someone help me with clip studio paint?
I normally use photoshop for drawing cartoons, but I want to animate so I switched over. I was drawing a character height sheet and scaled it down and now it looks extra blurry. I tried googling and youtube but everything seems to be about saving stuff to pngs and resizing that, when I want to change stuff on the fly. Photoshop had a smart object option that kept things sharp but I either can't find it on csp or it doesn't exist.

>>7086634
>use observation
>use construction

which is it?

>>7087111
both

>>7087103
right click layer > convert layer > image material layer for lossless resizing
or draw using a vector layer

also check your interpolation method in the tool settings when resizing

>>7087049
>>7087028
I consider my anatomy intermediate + I rarely draw the back so take my advice w/ some skepticism. Also I didn't pay any mind to the arm placement so ignore that

Keep in mind S-curves along the figure, it'll help make the body more natural. It also helps to learn some basic anatomy (pay attention to traps, deltoids, latissimus dorsi, and scapula). Parts of the body are rotated too much which make the pose more stiff, draw things at more natural angles. If I were you I'd angle the head slightly so you can see more of the bottom.

Once you're aware of the more basic anatomy it'll help you simplify things in a more natural way

>>7086990
Use Krita, add a halftone filter layer and lower the opacity

>>7087115
>right arm is too long
vilppu needs more observation skill

So do i need my pencil always sharpened until it looks like a needle?

>>7087099
Not that anon but how come?

>>7086591
what the hell is wrong with my colours and how do i fix them?
also i know that objects in the front should be darker than the ones in back what should be done in the case of the objects in the front having lighter local value?

>>7087116
Thanks anon it looks way better now. I tried both and went with image material. I also went with high accuracy for interpolation, but honestly I'm not very good with tech. Is that the optimal choice for resizing images with free transform?

>>7087028
>>7087049
I recommend just dropping this piece and just taking a bit to study for a bit. It's no use hammering your head against something beyond your level, because it will only burn you out in the short term. Just keep studying, and suddenly, you'll find yourself able to do things you couldn't before.

I recommend doing the David Finch guide and copying Bridgman (or taco) twice, if you're up for it. I also recently have really fallen in love with Jason Brubaker's cognitive drawing sy stem

>>7087117
good advice

>>7087141
i think the way my brain works is just better with painting, painters break things down into simple blocks of shapes and then chisel away at it like sculptors and that feels more natural to me than drafting and linework does, its also way easier than drawing which probably surprises a lot of people

>>7087145
Nearest Neighbor for pixelart and ultrasharp lines, High Accuracy for 99% of everything else.
Also, vector layers are good if you want to edit the path and thickness of lines already drawn, as well as losslessly resize them. They get messy and weird if there's tons of overlapping strokes, though.

>>7087153
When you mean continue "study". What do you mean exactly?

>>7087176
>>7086591

>>7087165
Good point, and your sample retains the-mildly-blurred-but-not-too-much look that I'm going for. I'll probably switch to it moving forward.

Any suggestions on what to do for textbook #2 after finishing this Eviston book?

>>7086607
Really liking having these images "homework" type. Makes me draw daily. Really needed that push after all the years i left drawing. Thank you /beg/

>>7087193
have any link for that one?....

>>7087193
1. Eviston is trash
2. Textbook leaning is trash
3. You can never "finish" the fundamentals

>>7087198
So i'm fucked forever?

>>7087200
you can start by transcending the shackles of classroom learning and learning from the great masters (ero manga senseis)

Go on twitter and find your favorite artists. Download all their work. Then, import an image you want to study into your canvas and copy it side by side. When you're done, redraw it from memory, without looking at anything. Then, copy it again.

Just by doing this, you'll improve 10x faster than anybody in this thread

>>7087065
I'd start with building the habit of drawing everyday. Set clear art goals. Actually draw the stuff I want to draw. Study my weaknesses and apply what I learn to new pieces.

In general, Proko's Drawing Basics playlist is a good start for anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHHMNwxuVk0IcGRtPGHi4vN9

Then you should tailor your studying to your goals and personal preferences. Learning to self direct your learning is also a skill you need to develop.

Lots of good tips in these videos. Covers the most common mistakes and how to avoid them. Also how to learn. They are about anime but can be applied to any art style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPytJzdlmT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EefqA7epQzk

>>7087198
okay.
but I finished working through one book and want to start a new book or course or something to continue learning fundamentals

>>7087210
What's your favorite ero manga artist?

>>7087210
>Just by doing this, you'll improve 10x faster than anybody in this thread
wrong because im doing that too but with a chinese painter to expand my cranium beyond its non asian racial capacity

>>7087217
careful. you're at risk for aneurysm

>>7086630
Those two on the bottom right look great anon, good job

>Its another day of seeing the welfare neet improve leagues ahead of me because he doesn't have obligations and can draw all day.
>Spend my workday wishing I could draw and sketching here and there with ink pens and printer paper.
>Go to the gym and take my frustration out during sparring. Feel spent and still very angry and disappointed. Sparring friend is happy to go all out against me but I just feel worse.
>Come home and help my old man buy groceries, clean up after my dogs and prepare food for next day.
>Its already 9pm.
>Can barely sketch something out before I have to go to sleep
>The NEET did another full drawing and seeing him get way better than me in half the time makes me want to puke.
>inb4 its not competition
I am just tired of being shit.

>>7087239
You have a limited amount of time in a day anon. You need to ask yourself if it's reasonable to expect yourself to be able to do all of that and then draw on top of that. Otherwise nothing will change. I'm not saying it needs to be an "either X or Y" situation though. You can do things like simply going to the gym less, meal-prepping on the weekends to not spend so much time after work cooking/preparing food.
I also recommend not comparing yourself to others in that way. I know it's frustrating to not be able to progress as quickly as other people, but as you said, you got shit going on and you're doing your best.
Wishing you well

>>7087239
i sound like a paint shill by now with how often i recommend trying it out but if youre really limited on time you can still easily throw together fun digital paintings in like 20 minutes if you skip worrying about line art and just throw down color

sketch im working on. blue guy is an OC that has a design, but I didn't have any mooks for him to beat up, so red and green are pretty random

>>7086607

>>7087248
Very nice! Jojo hat and all

This is not strictly an art question, but it's something that's deeply integral to my journey on trying to become a /beg/ at least. Are there any tips or outright methods for dealing with the mental aspect of trying to pick up drawing as someone who is admittedly addicted to instant gratification and easy dopamine release? To make matters worse I was supposedly a "gifted kid" when it came to studying, so the easy stuff was always too easy and I never really learned how to learn properly. And now that I got older picking up some entirely new skill comes bundled with the crushing weight of all the expectations, like "people your age are supposed to be at least THIS good or else shouldn't even bother".

>>7087265
>"people your age are supposed to be at least THIS good or else shouldn't even bother".
Are you really gonna let what some sour cunt thinks about your art stop you from growing as a person?
> I was supposedly a "gifted kid" when it came to studying, so the easy stuff was always too easy and I never really learned how to learn properly.
Then learn. https://success.oregonstate.edu/learning/growth-mindset

>>7086591
any critiques?

>>7087276
To quote a post I really liked:
>I dislike this... Make me HATE this
Make it as butt ugly as possible anon. Challenge yourself

>>7087276
the fuck is that program

>>7087293
It's the thing sal kahn uses so I decided to use it

>>7087265
However bad you feel about not being "as good as you should be" at your age, you'll feel worse if you put off putting in the effort another year.

Sucking ass is a filter everyone has to pass to be good.
People who are afraid to do poorly get stuck and don't pass it, because not trying is less painful than failing.

You have to realize that the only way to learn is by doing. You can read any number of books, but without putting pen to paper that knowledge will never crystalize.
Everyone who's ever gotten good has gone through the long process of trying, failing, trying, analyzing, experimenting, trying, failing a bit less...
You just need patience and a critical eye.

>>7087294
>the khan academy nigga
are you serious?

>>7087273
>let what some sour cunt thinks about your art stop you
You see, the problem is, I am that sour cunt. Only towards myself though, weirdly enough.
>growth mindset
I'll check it out, thanks.

>>7087299
yh, I cant figure out how to save colors though so you can see the grey's being slightly different shades in some spots.

>>7086906
and what exactly do you expect to learn from autopilot phototracing? i genuinely want to know what your expectations are.

>>7087051
SOVL

>>7087248
good!

>>7087329
>phototracing
cute accusation.

portrait and ref

>>7087339
if it's really not traced, good on you, well done

the colors however are typical for photo and have that same cold character

>>7087117
>>7087153
these redraws are blowing my mind. thanks for the advice. kind of a bummer but i guess i'll just drop it for now. i definitely need to study more. all my drawings look the same lol.

>>7086699
They just are
Eyes are the most, idk, specific part of the human face. Humans are very good at noticing if something is off with a human body, even better at noticing if something is off with a human face, but better than anything else at noticing if someone is even a tiny bit off with an eye, because our brains are hard-wired to recognize human bodies, human faces and human eyes
Eyes make the face, if they're fucked up everything is fucked up. There's a reason why you can recognize a person just from their eyes or even only one eye, but if you take a face and you cover the eyes with a black bar the person becomes unrecognizable unless they're literally your immediate family, and even then you might take a minute to clock them

>>7087329
"every time i try to get a likeness it looks like shit, which means anyone who gets a likeness is tracing, no exceptions"

>>7087406
This but unironically.

>>7086660
Mine's the best btw
You should drop a poll when you post these so people get motivated to be crowned king beg

>>7087230
Thank you!
>>7087373
cute

>>7086705
Carnivore diet cures depression just fyi
>>7086687
Noice. I sadly missed your most recent bunnies
>>7086607
Hope this time it actually lets me post, otherwise I give up
>>7086661
Boxes yes, Bridgman no, forms and gesture etc. definitely. The first thing you need to do is git gud at drawing what you actually see. Make accurate copies. Train observational drawing. That’s step zero. Then you learn to feel the form and gesture shape and so on. So learn to copy and draw basically okay, then you study the artists you want to emulate using the cognitive drawing method, where you do a copy, redraw from memory, and repeat until the memory one looks right. After a while, you could do the Naoki Sato thing where you’ve try to draw an original drawing in that artist’s super. This will teach you to draw the way you want when you draw your own stuff.

TLDR: copy the artists you want to emulate
>>7086630
Yeah forget about timers at first. Good job

>>7087248
this is really good

>>7086607
thx for the reference anon, helped me get out of a rut I had in my head.

I still haven’t drawn since early October.

>>7087278
Do not talk abt my wife like that

>>7087373
it's shit

>>7087258
>>7087329
>>7087454
Ty!

>>7087355
>the colors however are typical for photo and have that same cold character
almost like, hear me out, he copied a photo or something.

>>7087548
Did you look at his picrel at all? He's suggesting that anon might have used the color picker on the photo

>>7086607
Didn't think I would learn anything from this one figure-wise so I exercised my line control. Thanks for the ref.
Also finally monitored my time because everytime someone drops a ref I spend more than one and a half hour on it.

>>7087551
his picture is irrelevant and meaningless. it is some skintone memo. and has nothing to do with anything
he is shizo.
there no difference between "picked" an not pixel color it is just rgb

i need to invest in darker pencils

>>7087194
How do i learn how to draw good looking eyes?

>>7087566
i don't think that's your issue here. from a time management and resources perspective, i see very little value in spending a shit ton of time blacking out massive portions of a piece of paper, just because your chosen reference is lit against a dark backdrop.

>>7087593
fair enough, the assignment was to match the tones so I assumed that included the background as well

>>7087566
use the side of the pencil with an overhand grip and built up tone instead of using lines

>>7087301
>I am that sour cunt. Only towards myself though, weirdly enough.
That's pretty common. There's this phrase I heard a while ago that really helped me in this regard:
>If being hard on yourself worked, it would have worked by now
I guess the other piece of advice I have is remember you're doing this (in part) for fun. Take it easy. You can always stop and try again later if you're not having a good time.

>>7087596
will keep that in mind for next time, thanks

>>7086906
new slop

Just got a screen tablet, xppen. How hard am I supposed to be pressing the pen down? Not used to the feel of it and getting wobbly lines a lot

guptill lines, day 2
this pointy nib (101) is delicate and a pain to control. the spoon one (512) was easier but its lines didn't vary in thickness.
feels like I'm supposed to draw as lightly as I physically can?
wonder if they'll start to look decent after a week of reps

>>7087620
supposed to look like these.
will come back here next week and compare. gl anons.

>>7087606
mess with the sensitivity and do whatever allows you to make light and dark lines comfortably
it's different for each person so just experiment until you find what you like

>>7087585
blease

>>7087620
>>7087625
these are the most torturous, painful, impossible exercises ever invented. I did these for 3 months straight, 30 minutes a day, and barely improved. These wouldn't be so impossible, if it weren't for the fact that Guptill said you couldn't turn your page when doing these. Turning your page is in fact necessary for actual ink drawings, so it doesn't make sense to torture yourself by not turning the page.

On the other hand, I gained an incredible amount of hatching skill just by doing master copies. The first guy I copied was Vesalius and his ancient anatomy plates back from the renaissance. I didn't even do that great of a job with the copy, but ever since then, for the last 6 years, I've known exactly how, where, and why to apply cross hatching. And as I draw more, my dexterity automatically goes up.

These exercises are totally pointless

>>7087645
These exercises are the reason people always compliment me on my linework.

But I can’t do anatomy for shit, so yeah, ymmv

>>7087647
how long did it take you do master them? Did you ever master them? I don't believe you that you can do them. It's like claiming on the internet you can juggle 5 balls while on a unicycle. Post your lines

>>7087645
>And as I draw more, my dexterity automatically goes up
This is it. There's no reason to do boring exercises when you could draw anything and be conscious about your lines, actively trying to improve them.
They are decent warmup, though.

>>7087650
I would say I didn’t do it for a very long time, but I did them daily for a few weeks as a warm up. I think it helped my line quality, but it’s definitely something you don’t need to go balls deep into.

Posting this censored, because I only draw certain things.

>>7087655
interesting example, because there's almost no hatching in that picture. Just seems like you got good at doing figure drawing / master copies and making illustrations in general

>>7087654
this

>>7087661
Oh fuck I just realized that was a hatching tutorial, not the exercise where you draw the line and trace over the same line over and over. My bad, actually

i cant draw for shit hypothetically if I was going to practice what should I do, I've tried drawing circles a bunch to try and make them look good, but I dont know if im getting any better, how do i track progress and set goals to try and get gooder

>>7087663
it's okay fren. no need to have deleted your beautiful picture

>>7087670
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

this is all you need

>>7087673
I didn’t want to get clapped for posting furry mostly.

>Please describe the last time you were happy.
>Shit, let me think... that was at least a decade ago, the year is 2024. Life was not perfect, I had some problems, but still, I created so many art, just drew whatever I wanted, not a single care in the world, just living for the moment. At least that was. Till some fuckers told me to learn gesture.

>>7087674
Damn I looked through this guide, no wonder people hate drawing when they do all this just to get mugged by japanese middle schoolers

>>7087566
>>7086541

>>7087670
Read Keys to Drawing

>>7087680
I've actually gone and learned Japanese, and the sheer amount of Japanese youtubers where they name the channel "aspiring animator" or "aspiring mangaka" is astonishing. There are so many ngmis in Japan, and seeing them grind Morpho and Croquis in their dark, cramped, lonely tokyo apartments, never making progress, spinning their wheels, is suicide inducing

If only they just copied Bridgman twice...

>>7087674
>https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

nice, thanks for that anon

>>7087670
If all you do is circles you will only be good at circles.

I am quite happy with this landscape, but I fucked up the fish construction thingy in the foreground. Any way to salvage it?

>>7087706
/trad/ might have a better idea of what to do there

Can someone post dat image where it says why keys to drawing is worth

>>7087670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

>>7087706
tradfag here
I don't mind the rail thing on the right. since we don't know what exactly it is (on location), just from the picture alone, it could be a snowy dock or something.
i think covering it with some white would mess up the light blue wash underneath, which looks cool. so i would just leave it.

afterall, the good thing about landscapes is that the viewer often can't check if the representation is 100% in tune with reality.

>>7087706
this is nice anon. keep it up.

>Proportions practice
How bad is it?

>>7087710
>>7087718
>>7087732
Thanks for the encouragement and advice. I made it into a blob for now. Lesson learned for next time, dont skip the sketch for anything that needs perspective

>>7087733
huge huge improvement from what you did before.

Now do 1000 more figures

Also, get Michael Hampton and learn to draw solid forms

>>7087733
What are you even doing? If you just want to "practice proportions" with those squares, then just overlay them over your photo and see the result, no need to post it here. What did you learn, having drawn this connection? Nothing in human body connects like that.
Do you want to learn figure drawing? Then study it, read and watch material, learn landmarks, learn to draw 3d form instead of 2d school geometry shapes. Read the sticky. Read Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton. watch Proko. For prebeg I'd recommend Eviston's courses on /ic/ torrent - on basics of drawing and on figure drawing. Or read whatever other anons mention ITT, because it really looks like you're just drawing blindly without any study whatsoever, trying to conjure up skills from thin air. Not a single beg book or course or any material ever proposes to do anything that looks like what you are doing.

>>7087733
you gave her zero ass

>>7087645
while trying to start pen and ink this week I've now read both
>You must do these exercises for 30 minutes a day. You won't regret it.
and
>These are a torturous waste of time, I did them for 3 months and it was absolutely pointless.
well fuck.
I just want to learn.

>>7087757
I'm the one who is saying those exercises are pointless. Yes, you will get contradictory advice. Yes, you will have to make your own decisions yourself. Learning to draw, or learning any skill, involves cutting through dilemma after dilemma, hurdle after hurdle, all based on your own judgement. I remember struggling with how to do gesture in the beginning, whether to do it the proko way, the vilppu way, the steve huston way, etc. Then, I struggled with whether measurement and shape copying was important, or if I should approach everything in a 3d sense. That seemed like a real dilemma to me at the time. Then, I later struggled with whether I should go into manga, or if I should focus on animation. Then, I struggled with whether i should practice painting, or focus on line drawing, since I decided on mainly manga. Then, I later struggled with whether I should be doing memory drawings or just doing a higher volume of straight copies.

You will never get a straight answer, especially the deeper you get into a skill. The opinions diverge, people specialize, and nobody agrees on anything. Welcome to art.

>>7087749
Thanks for the author recommendation. I'd like to at least get a grasp on proportions before worrying about more solid shapes.
>>7087755
>Get told to simplify it into cubes and circles a thread back
>Come back and get told not to
You guys could at least have some consistency in your advice.
>>7087756
Fuck, you're right. lol

>>7087763
>You guys could at least have some consistency in your advice.
lots of dunning krugers in this thread, who think they can give advice. Assume 90% of all feedback, if it doesn't come with a redline, are from dunning krugers

>>7087688
Is "just copy Bridgman twice" legitimate advice that beats out other methods or a total meme?

>>7087767
Bridgman doesn't matter, its the fact you're doing memory drawings on 1000+ anatomical drawings that count.

You could do the same with ero doujins if you want

>>7087755
>sketch and reference aren't scaled to match
Did you even try to compare them?

>>7087716
I love that episode
also helped me learn that animal skulls are a blast to draw

>>7087771
so it's similar advice someone mentioned up thread >>7087210
where the point is to do a copy
then redraw the copy from memory immediately after?
I only do copies, never memory. would adding that extra step after every copy really increase your skills much faster?

>>7087765
Previous one did. That's why I'll listen to that anon more.

>>7087777
yes when you try to retrieve that information you are telling your brain that bit of information is important and you should remember it. it's even more effective to try and remember after a bit of time passes

>>7087777
im glad you realized it's similar, because I made both posts

You really need to try memory drawings for yourself

My experience was: ~9 months of doing copies, and making 0 progress. My art and portfolio work didn't change at all. Information went in one ear, and out the other

Then, with 1 single day of doing a few memory drawings, my art changed. The way I drew comics suddenly looked similar to the masters I was studying.

Memory drawings not only force you to recall and retain info, they force you to pay closer attention to the reference when you're doing the actual copy. It's too easy to copy mindlessly and not learn anything. Also, memory drawings transfer your studies to your imagination work. How many people have you heard say that their referenced work looks much better than their imagination work? Simply redrawing your work one more time, even imperfectly, fixes all these issues

>>7087763
>>Get told to simplify it into cubes
There isn't a single cube in your picture. Not a single 3d form. The very first fundamental being taught in books for prebegs is to see and draw 3d shapes. Whatever you are doing won't help you to learn to draw.
You can train precision by "blocking in" and comparing to ref. But if that's what you are doing. there's no point in wasting your time posting it here - you should do hundreds of these to train precision.
>You guys could at least have some consistency in your advice.
Listen to actual art teachers. My whole point boils down to this - pick up books, courses, whatever, they are all available for free on ic torrent in video course thread.

>>7087778
yey, im happy you saved that

for more advice, I do think rectangles and circles are great way to simplify the figure at first, and I can see the tremendous improvement you made from last time already

however, while you should keep practicing simple shapes, I also think you will make much faster progress copying art, instead of photos. It's a much easier business copying lines, instead of translating a photo into lines. Try following a bunch of artists on twitter and downloading their art. Spend 30-40 minutes doing one really long, exact copy. Doing that every day, will teach you so much

If you don't know any artists, I recommend starting with Philtomato, or some other mangaka you know about. They probably post on twitter

>>7087733
Learn CSI.
Be more loose.

>>7087782
Before I take this advice
Pyw please

>>7087801
My brother in christ, that's the kind of advice that doesn't need a pyw filter. It's common sense. The way you truly learn shit is by explaining it with your own words after studying. Memory drawing is the same thing applied to art.
Not that anon, in case it's not clear.

>>7087801
nta but it's scientifically proven https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=027D847F0FE8434349076D210627025D

hahaha holy shit
memory vs copy
sure is a blow to the self-confidence

is this any good?

AAAAA I AM SUCCUMBING TO OTHER EYE SYNDROME

HANDS WILL NOT DEFEAT ME
HANDS WILL NOT DEFEAT ME
HANDS WILL NOT DEFEAT ME

>>7087855
soul

>>7087849
damn. Now i'm afraid of trying it. Should i just start with easy draws like just heads or just keep doing what i was doing?

>>7087858
Nice penises.

>>7087858
there are no sharp Vs between the fingers anon

>>7087849
Not really that bad

>>7087849
QRD on the copy+memory thing? Aren't you supposed to always use reference anyway?

>>7087858
ring finger is too short or middle finger too long
index should be slightly longer.
you did it right on the bird

>>7087858
now that i look at it your bird is off too
the space between the middle finger and curved index is non-existent in your image

>>7087858
Hatching lines should be as deliberate as any other line. If you hatch lazily you get hairy hands like the ones you drew.
Study artists like Viktor Kalvachev or @poderdohokuto on twittex

>>7087849
>>7087858
Do this

https://youtu.be/s_NuJIJ6wGY
https://youtu.be/G8e2DcN5kAo
https://youtu.be/S9Cx4pIjSvA
https://youtu.be/gkbQnBi_JqU

From one of the links in the op. I like this version of it, because you're not trying to get it perfect from the first try. Improvement is a gradual thing, and drawing it again and again teaches you to correct your mistake

>>7087864
>>7087865
>>7087872
>>7087875
>>7087877
>>7087883
THANK YOU SENSEIs I WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE MY TECHNIQUE AND DEFEAT THE HANDS

>>7087849
Now compare the copy to the memory drawing and see what you could’ve done differently to make it better. If you don’t do that step and just get sad that it didn’t look very close you miss out on half the possible gains.

>>7087863
it's a good way to retain info you care about (like human anatomy or a specific style)
it's kind of a meme to try to apply it to everything, especially since reference is easy to get

>>7087898
Post like these make me question everything. Everytime i ask i got "just reference and keep drawing by observation". But today it shifted everything towards "draw small sections and then replicate it by memory". So now i don't know what to do.

>>7087904
>Post like these make me question everything.
Welcome to drawing. Or, well, any creative pursuit, really. There is no single answer, there is no single path.

>>7087871
>>7087904
You will never memorize everything in the world so you will always need reference but you can still internalize a lot of the main things you draw the most often. Memory drawing will help you understand and remember your references better. It’s not that you should draw small sections because you should always try to keep the full picture in mind but pick one main aspect at a time to practice and then try to replicate it yourself. Then you’ll be able to more easily apply it to original work.

>>7087904
it may be that you're not ready to draw from memory (if you aren't accurate enough, you'd just be memorizing the wrong thing)
but like the other anon said, there's no one true path, just try stuff out

>>7087904
not only that, but you must also learn perspective, do still lives, draw landscapes, do cafe sketching, build your visual library, sketch animals at the zoo, memorize the skeleton, learn color theory, do full master copies at the museum, and sculpt to develop your sense of 3d form.

See you in 10 years.

>>7087922
>See you in 10 years.
I might kill myself next week. I don't think i have 10 years. Who has all that time to draw animu girls.

>>7087849
Not that bad
I used to copy skulls and even if don't draw them anymore i have some memory on how they look
At least stylized memory

>>7087929
Might as well post
I'm not sure about how good my memory is

Should i always try to make original work alongside the daily referencing? Or how does it work?

I need some help, I want people with more experience than me to tell me if they see anything wrong and if you guys can tell me how I can improve using the pencil, I don't know if using printing paper is the reason why it looks kinda weird in some parts or is the way I use the pencil.

>>7087904
Techniques to learn drawing are like going on a diet, they all work as long as you stick with it long enough to see results. Your job is to define your goals and seek out methods of learning that work for you and get you closer to the specific goal you wish to accomplish

>>7087937
That left leg looks wonky. The calf should be partially under the thigh and not the other way round.

>>7087941
I get what you're saying but i don't think i fully understand it. If my goal is to draw humans properly then how do i know wich method is correct for me?

>>7087935
try to make your studies in service of the stuff you want to draw
and original work does not mean that you stop referencing (as you can use references in more ways than just straight copying)

>>7087949
You are totally right, I didnt see that one, I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

I need help drawing figures not sure what shapes to use
A friend of mine recommended this series but I've yet to go through it
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf3dvAURflO-mJ-fbhWMBxs1pwX7zuhik

The course calls for 5 minute figure drawing this week but I don't even know how to put things together
here's what I did side by side
perhaps I should have made shapes on the image then tried to recreate

>>7086607
How it feels to draw.

>>7087965
you forgot his cock

>>7087975
take it out of your ass then faggot

>>7087976

>>7087975
>>7087976
Man sometimes I love this board

Today's bullshit. Not very productive. Keep the grind brainrot away by doodling, preferably applying what you're learning.

Good to be back on head grind after days of not grinding heads
How did it go for first attempt?

>>7087986
And also todays doodle i digitalized because i really really like this one
I may be getting there as a beg

today's study

>>7087954
You try them all until you find the one that works for you. All methods are different approaches to the same thing and some will make more sense to some people than others so no one can tell what you specifically will benefit most from.

>>7087986
Draw on paper w/o lines
Draw bigger
Since they're studies you don't need to make it look like a finished piece, but at least darken the most obvious shadows and darker elements of your ref like her hair and her neck.

One day I'll have to figure out how the brush engine works

>>7088010
How you learned how to draw hair?

>>7087999
Alright i'll do that next time
Just curious but how much does drawing bigger effect the piece
I know i can't draw really small but can i produce better piece because it's bigger?

I am pround of this one, did this without any reference. Any tips on how to make better lineart?

>>7088025
You’ll see your mistakes more clearly.

>>7088031
Avoid uniformity. Taper lines when appropriate (the line on the nose, the ends of eyelashes etc) and follow a clear line thickness hierarchy. I.E thick lines on the outside contours, thinner ones inside. Just a starting point.
The reason for this is that a clear line weight hierarchy reads more intuitively to our eyes, which instinctively decode visual data according to pattern and silhouette.

>>7088054
Thats really helpfull, thank you!

>>7087985
this looks like you had fun while drawing it
I hate it

did I get a modicum of gesture in this?

>>7088121
I really love the penis on the left. It's cute.

>>7088121
right one looks like you were just contour drawing the outline, not very gestural

>>7088021
he hasn't

Shit! The only gestures I'll get tonight will be the ones on my dick before I cry myself to sleep. Tomoroww I'll try harder

I can't believe you all have been lying to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEAYibTOnEw

Just Draw is a terrible advice without any other complement

>>7088176
not watching a 14 minute eceleb video, just draw nigga lol

>>7086605
>4-5 hours for that
i think i could do this in 30 mins as a beg. do you study construction?

>>7088176
Not watching that video, but
>Just Draw is a terrible advice without any other complement
No shit
Just draw is (most of the time) used here as a sarcastic answer to a mf that's overthinking shit instead of well, just drawing.
If someone takes "just draw" literally and thinks they don't need to study, they deserve to be a permabeg for being dumb as fuck.

>>7088207
>If someone takes "just draw" literally and thinks they don't need to study, they deserve to be a permabeg for being dumb as fuck.

I am dumb as fuck in this case then, because if I ask someone an advice I will try to follow the advice, if I knew what to do I woulnd't be asking for help.

Thoughts on eyes showing in front of bangs vs. semi-transparent bangs? I like the eyes really standing out uncovered by bangs but at the same time it looks unnatural

>>7088213
If the questions you're asking are akin to "how do I pick up a pencil" or extremely non-specific like "how do I draw anime-style" then you deserve it

>>7088214
i prefer the one on the right because the one on the left looks more like an error where the artist forgot to fix the layers than an intentional choice

>>7087791
> It's a much easier business copying lines, instead of translating a photo into lines
Fair point. I went with irl photos because there's plenty of nude models to work with and I wanted to avoid clothing until I got comfortable with proportions. I tried copying a while back, I'll give it another go.

I really do appreciate the help you've given. Thanks again.

>>7088237
HUMMINA HUMMINA

>>7088237
Tail needs some texture. Kinda looks like a rat tail.

>>7088219
>If the questions you're asking are akin to "how do I pick up a pencil"
this is funny because pencil grip can help even a beginner how to make better lines

Sup beg, another day of failure where i only drew 4 figgies. its over

>>7088121
gesture is not contour nor 3D forms. that said your drawing doesnt look like you need to train gesture, its fluid and lively
>>7088031
do a master study of your favorite manga. pay extra attention to how they do lines
>>7088010
nice monster girl
>>7087988
soul
>>7087970
this is nice
>>7087904
>>7087871
use references exclusively until you get hang of proportions, perspective, accuracy and some basic rendering. then once you decide its time to become INT start doing memory drawings (like i am doing and failing atm)
>>7087855
i like it, but nothing to be crazy happy about
>>7087733
i am not sure what are you trying to achieve, but i have to assume you failed
>>7087620
i wont be like the other anon saying these are pointless, i will just say every single drawing you do is naturally exercise in line quality by default
>>7087606
you want to adjust the curve so you have whole range from thin to thick lines without excessively exerting your wrist. it will save you both your carpal tunnel and your tablet from scratches
>>7087566
get charcoal and white chalk. lead pencils are laughably bad for drawing
>>7087265
Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner, the book takes care of that mindset issue
>>7087193
keys to drawing to cover the few fundies this book doesnt cover (composition, textures...), then hop into perspective
>>7087142
make 2 new layers: set one layer mode to burn and other to overlay. then pick some soft brush, pick any color and test out what happens when you draw in these two layers above the base. it will "fix" your colors with a bit of luck
>>7087098
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/
>>7087005
nice booba, but i am not fan of the skin tones or shading. looks kinda... bad
>>7086995
if i always switched materials whenever somebody told me to, i would never learn anything. i have to drink the bitter medicine to the bottom and hope it will work out

>>7088237
you might want to fix this overlap
I'm not gonna comment on the boob pocket dress because this is clearly just coom shit and anything goes there

>pyw
random doodles. My question is can anyone recommend me any artists to watch to understand a good workflow for initial gesture/sketch and forms?

>>7088271
>harsh red on dull gray
My eyes hurt looking at this

>>7088273
you have a point but i also dont care for doodling

>>7088214
transparent bangs is best since it keeps the shape of the bangs visible without sacrificing readability of the eyes

>>7088283
not caring is the fast track to ngmi

>>7088330
not caring is the fast track to gmi

>>7088237
Hope picrel helps.
Also made some adjustements on her posture with the lasso tool but didn't write any notes. You can compare side to side to check what was altered on that regard.

My attempt at slightly foreshortening her arm looks worse everytime I flip the canvas horizontally, so maybe an anon with more anatomy knowledge than "arm be like cilinder" can help us out.

>>7088330
I care about doodling. I do not care about your eyes. Thanks for not answering my question

>Doing Brent Eviston art and science of Drawing on digital tablet
>Got all the way up to Week 5 with little issue
>Measuring week is difficult to translate directly to digital since I need to study from life and set up a scene
>Begin wondering if measuring objects is really that useful on digital
>For the first time wondering if I should just skip the rest and just move onto a figure drawing course
Are all the weeks of Art and Science absolutely necessary for begs? I really want to get to figure drawing, but someone said I should do this course first

>>7088380
skipping will only constitute to weak links in your foundation. Just stick with it. in resistance training, you'll make progress on a bad program so long as you stick with it. People that program hop typically don't make a whole lot of progress. Same with art or anything else for that matter. They're necessary because the course demands it, whether your a professional or not.

Measuring is the same regardless of medium and is a critical skill that most people neglect. If you can't accurately observe the proportional relationships of your subject, you're going to place features on the page where they aren't in relation to everything else.

>>7088255
I do not know what it supposed to be because I stole her from another anon
>>7088346
very thanks but too late

>>7088417
Yeah, I think I was feeling a bit discouraged since I've substituted a lot of free draw time for this course. Just needed a little bit of affirmation. Thanks Anon, I'll stick with it

I fucking SUCK at gestures holy shit

>>7088380
most fundamentals are useless on digital. drop the books and learn the real fundamentals like ctrl+c, ctrl+v, ctrl+z, etc.

>>7088521
neck yourself already

>>7088380
You beginners always find reasons to quit courses and listen to the most retarded advices on /beg/. Imagine doing everything a faceless no draw faggot told you. You hate hard work and want immidiate gratification. You'll wuit drawing in a week or so.

>>7088536
pyw

>>7088538
Why? what will pmw do?

>>7088521
based, all the pro nipponese digital artists are using every cheat in the book already anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVZD0F4zR8

Reposting here since the questions thread is dead:
Does anyone have recommendations for a good drawing easel to put on my desk or should I just buy first thing on amazon?

>Multiple /beg/'s post their work
>A handful of people give genuine advice
>Most tell them they're doing it all wrong and go read a half dozen books
Can't tell if people here are trying to sabotage beginners or are just that retarded.

>>7088616
That's the board man. Something something Loomis something something not gonna make it

any drawer guys here?

>>7088638
why does it look like Mario is wearing some major drip

does this look alright?

I just notice i tend to enlarge faces and i think i always do it. Does it have anything to do with something?
Also i didn't follow at all the structure i did at the beggining of the draw before starting the lineart or whoever is called. Does it matter?
Shobuya

>>7088565
cool shield and shading

>>7088188
>i think i could do this in 30 mins as a beg
Then do it, go on.

>>7088654
quit riding his dick.

>>7088651
I think i know why. Basically reason why you draw heads bigger might be other than not paying attention to proportions can be factor that you see head as important so you make it larger. Kinda like when people draw eyes and make them bigger because they see them as really important and that gets into their mind and becomes a habit.

Dumb question, but the dumb questions thread is dead - does overhand grip work with an automatic pencil, or is extended grip better? And what about drawing with a pen, there isn't really a way to make lighter construction marks is there?

>>7088650
You need a lesson in drawing heads.

>>7088380
For digital I'd recommend going to /asg/ and finding Krenz precision training video and materials. Measuring doesn't translate to digital, but training precision and observation will transfer both ways. So you can complement digital precision training with trad pencil and paper drawings. The rest of the course transfers to digital with no problems.

>>7086810
LOL
saved

>>7088188
peak dunning kruger moment

>>7087763
>You guys could at least have some consistency in your advice.
Different people give different advice? Wow, that's crazy.
Also you haven't drawn a single cube so what are you simplyfying into cubes?

>>7088176
It's the best advice for retards and schizos on this board. If you're spending your time on /beg/ or wondering enlessly about which book to start or which method to use:
Just draw, retard.

>>7088616
>>A handful of people give genuine advice
Then focus on that, you absolute, impossible fucking dumbass.

>>7086607
Didn't have fun with this one. Mainly because of the face. It's just a weird angle that I couldn't draw looking good, so I got burned out and wanted to hastily """"finish""" this, hence shitty sloppy lazy line work. At least I finished it at all, I actually closed it 2 times, thinking I'll try the next one in the next thread, but then came back to it, because I didn't want to make a habit of leaving works unfinished.

>>7088882
Fuck I am retarded, didn't even attach it.

>>7088616
>nooooo I don't want to spend time actually studying from masters and real teachers and artists, I don't want to learn and train fundamentals, I just want shortcuts and something to feel good without real effort and progress
Actually unironically completely seriously for real NGMI.

>>7086591
how do I stop drawing messy lines? using csi lines while measuring is hard dayo

some 5 minute gesture drawings. I need to start drawing some finished stuff but I'm afraid. I think when pose anon starts posting the next pose I will try to make it look somewhat like a finished drawing this time with a background

Well, how DO I stop overthinking shit and "just draw"? And, more importantly, how do I ignore that my drawings look terrible and nothing like what I was intending to draw, and focus on the overall growth instead of the individual results?

>>7088979
you keep on drawing and start meditating 10 minutes a day to calm monkey mind

>>7088985
>start meditating 10 minutes a day to calm monkey mind

https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/6utqcs/ultimate_meditation_guide_for_all_levels_and_how/

>>7088974
https://youtu.be/dgjx6y6B_G8?si=pGMlNDJKmHEygPt0&t=2746
For more in depth knowledge about gesture try Vilppu or Proko

>>7088979
Stfu Howie

Trying to draw a nice cast shadow but literally everything looks like shit, why the fuck won't the sun just make something interesting

>>7089071
>>7089071
how do you make new thread?
>>7089071
>>7089071

>>7086751
What brush is this? It has a nice texture.

>>7086591
Here's my latest piece in a project series. I know the proportions are wrong for the figures, but I'm wondering if I should try using a soft brush for applying values.

>>7087849
bottom's memory, right?

>>7086612
Retard, you got filtered lmao