/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

My name is Dev and I make https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/shadow-division-files-witch-hunt/list?title_no=792199

Not that I've been doing this long but if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to help if I can.

>>7073603
Oh cool! Thanks for making this

>>7073603
>Webtoon is the ancient Korean art of scrolling comics.
Fucking kek

>>7073603
Add INKR to places to upload

>>7073832
Added to the list, I completely forgot about that one but I know I'm forgetting others too.

what is there to even do about the webtoon medium being saturated with gay/lesbian shit or kdrama wannabes

why can't there be a good place to upload comics on the internet

>>7073858
Like with anything else with market oversaturation, you have to bite the bullet and be the change you want to see.

And something something soulless corporations.

>>7073603
>tfw I'm making a manga and put it on webtoons

>>7073893
It's still a smart thing to do, smarter than not posting at all or posting full comic pages.

>>7073603
OP pic sauce?

>>7074226
How is OP supposed to provide sauce? It's literally a collage of all the times Korean studios grabbed the same 3D fantasy castle model.

>>7074226
In case you mean the literal sauce I got you homie
tumblbug.com/jun31230_6

>>7073893
Working on one as well, but for webtoons, I think I am going to be moving panels around for this format.

Webtoons are impressive because it's the first medium I've encountered in my life where it's all shit.

Like, with video games or anime or movies, yeah a lot of it is shit, but there's good stuff that's worth checking out. I have yet to see a single GOOD webtoon (but hey, if anyone can correct me, please, by all means).

>>7073603
NICE! a webtoon specific thread!
This is why I'm gay for ic

>>7074379
But anon, it's this your chance to make the first only good webtoon in existence? Why haven't you hopped on this opportunity yet?!

>>7074477
There are good webtoons out there, it's just that there's no such thing as a good KOREAN webtoon, solely by the very nature of how manhwas are made.

Ok, my shit is now officially a webtoon.
Ignore the parts were the formatting was clearly meant for traditional comics.
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/the-hotel-en/lobby-pt1/viewer?title_no=939830&episode_no=2

>>7073619
>>7074575
Were you guys just hiding or something all along? I don't mind the existence of a /wmg/, but /mmg/ was kind of a general catch-all for all comic-making generally, despite the name, and I don't recall seeing you two ever posting.

>>7074581
we're HYW refugees.
Our general is like a comatose whale, slowly rotting away. The MMG anons made a very good point about us not fitting there since we're not making manga and that we were attracting PRIONS into their whale-thread.

>>7074588
Ah ok, fair enough. Read your comic - art style is pretty cute, I'm interested enough to keep reading and learning about your characters. Kind of confused as to how you (relatively) have so many contributors/producers for your comic when it seems to be only two small chapters - are they just people who've seen prior work of yours and are helping out via patreon, or...?

>>7074594
this is a revamp, I made an Indiegogo campaign so I can both re-launch the comic in color and finish it.

>>7074575
NICE! I'll rec in the canva server hopefully that'll boost you.

>>7074581
Yeah I mostly stuck to /co/ until the board's quality took a nosedive, and I thought mmg was manga only. But a thread for webtoons might be overdue anyway as more people are making them.

>>7074581
>but /mmg/ was kind of a general catch-all for all comic-making generally
a large fundamental problem with mmg is that mmg doesn't draw manga, they draw characters in the manga style, but they don't actually draw manga or comics
webtoon is more detached from a specific style so it will most likely attract people that make actual web comics rather then the 7th anime drawing thread

I am all for this so thanks for making this op

>>7074615
I'll agree with you generally, although by my recollection one anon is officially published (or soon to be officially published) in an actual magazine, and at least two anons have already made actual prints for distribution.

As for the rest, yeah, /wmg/ is probably more generally applicable.

>>7074588
>we're HYW refugees
Go back

>>7074615
One very positive thing about webtoons is that nobody will tell you your webtoon isn't a real webtoon because you aren't Korean.

>>7074623
One very negative thing is your webtoon will never get promoted because it's not korean and gay

>>7074624
But I have been promoted and last time I checked I'm not Korean or gay.

>>7074627
Clearly you're not a very good judge of character. Or ethnicity.

>>7073603
Going on a little schizo rant. Does quality even matter on Webtoon? The majority of really popular titles look vomit-inducing with bad-looking 3d-screenshots.jpeg, where 0 touch-ups have been done, being used as backgrounds.
The actual drawings don't look great either, if they're not traced 3d with a billion layer modes slapped on top, basically creating polished turds. And when they do manage to draw a great drawing then they fuck it all up by straight up MOTION BLURRING the entire thing to hell and back to convey movement because fuck visibility and clean art, right? Have they not heard about using strong poses and gesture lines / speed lines to showcase movement?

Not to mention that pretty much every popular creator on that site rapes the fundamentals of comics that it makes me cry. Paneling? What paneling? Just spam full canvas drawings and a speech bubble here and there, done.
Lettering? These people think that lettering is just using an ugly, pre-installed font for everything. There are so many great copyright-free fonts out there and even the ones that require a license aren't even that expensive if you're an individual artist.
Also, these dumbasses use SFX lettering so wrong it gives me an aneurysm. Instead of writing the SFX, the sound effect an action makes, they just write the action as a word, period. If I see one more "GRAB", "PULL" or "CLENCH" used as a SFX I'm gonna kill myself.
Isn't the point of a comic that you can SHOW the reader what action is being taken? If you have to quite literally spell out what action is going on in a panel, then that simply means your drawing fucking sucks at conveying the action!

Is the average webtoon-reading kid so used to the quality of the average webtoon, that they don't even notice how bad it is? I know it's just a bunch of consoom-addicted kids that care more about quantity rather than quality but come on! This isn't art. This is just fast food meant for fast consumption and then to be thrown out.

>>7074647
>Does quality even matter on Webtoon?
quality of what? the drawings?
quality never mattered
if your story is good and ideas are interesting, people will read it
quality does elevate it and make it more enjoyable to read though, but it will always be second

>>7074651
Yes, I can overlook bad art if the comic fundamentals are solid and the writing is good. The One Punch Man webcomic has below-average art but the paneling itself and the composition within the panels are great, creating a smooth and enjoyable reading experience.
There's just so much corner-cutting and disregard for a great reading flow within webtoons that it is genuinely immersion-breaking for me.

I guess a lot of that comes from the format itself (vertical scrolling) and phone readers being the majority of the audience. But still, I read manga just fine on my phone. If a panel or text is too small I can simply zoom in.
Most webtoon artists are also biting off way more than they can chew by not only choosing to create a series that requires 100+ Chapters but making each chapter very long and drawing in fucking full-color and sometimes even having complex rendering on top of it, releasing it on a way too tight schedule! It's as if artists that have mainly done illustrations decided to create comics, without even knowing the very basics of its fundamentals. It's as if they think comics are just illustrations with a speech bubble here and there.

>>7074647
The most popular comics tend to be of the embarrassingly indulgent variety. Think love triangles, cheating, outdated yaoi conventions, self-insert romances with guys who look suspiciously identical to irl kpop idols. I think even the kids reading this stuff know it's low quality, they just don't expect anything more from on the nose content. And there's so much of it because it really is easier to make. I can post some Korean tutorials later if anyone's interested in the workflow.

>>7074651
>if your story is good and ideas are interesting, people will read it
yeah bro all that RPG isekai and gay boi shit has such gripping wriing, the stories are so good

>>7074647
>This isn't art. This is just fast food meant for fast consumption and then to be thrown out.

Bingo. Same reason nobody cares about the quality of McDonalds slop. They're not there for anything good, they are there to consoom the required intake quota for their fried brain receptors to keep limping along.

>>7074682
thanks for proving my point? maybe read my post next time american

>>7074701
Its funny though, because more than a few crap manhwas have been adopted by mainstream K drama production companies and given the whole glow-up treatment, for no reason than that 1) its already Korean, and 2) its an easy plot to do live acting for. Wish any of us were in the running to get such a lottery ticket.

>>7074725
That probably won't last for long, Lore Olympus is getting animated soon, it seems studios are more interested in adapting webtoons.

>>7074647
I believe it's because of the scrolling format because it encourages readers to spend less time reading a chapter, observing art, etc. This creates more demand and closer deadlines which is why the art is low quality. The fact that authors know most readers won't spend more than 20 seconds observing their entire chapter scroll also encourages them to half ass it. There are exceptions I think but most of them have low readership because if you can't post 3 chapters a day no one's gonna read you as your stuff will stay buried in a pile of trash. A questionable publishing platform concept

>>7074832
>most readers won't spend more than 20 seconds observing their entire chapter scroll
I had an easier time with drawing chapters when I realized this because I had the opposite problem. It's ok to spend a few hours on some select impact panels but most panels should be drawn simple it's they're not conveying a lot of or important information.

>>7074725
are you guys cynically making these to try to get money?

>>7074884
no, but love for the medium only takes you so far, specially when it's so consuming.

>>7074884
I don't make webtoons but if you love something and want to do it full-time that means you need to find a way to provide for yourself with it. That's the system we live in, love it or hate it, so it inevitably means that anybody who wants to draw comics or make art all the time must find a way to make it profitable.

>>7074884
No but I do want to be popular enough where people will freely draw porn of my characters.

>>7074914
a noble intent

>>7074914
Damn, same here anon.

The problem with Webtoon format is that it only works for scrolling. You can make a comic or manga style format page and put it on Webtoon or print it.

>>7073603
WARNIN, a dramafag who has worked with a pedo, and is generally lulzy is gonna shill his shitscord on here lmao.

>>7074989
This is not related to webtoon and any drama posting or off topic shit is not tolerated on this board.

>>7075002
>any drama posting or off topic shit is not tolerated on this board.
Oh how I wish that were true.

>>7074647
>I know it's just a bunch of consoom-addicted kids that care more about quantity rather than quality
And there is your answer: It's really just modern audiences and minors on the internet.

You're very aware of it too by saying
>uuuhm guys imma go on a little schizo rant
You're on a hobby board talking about hobbys. This level of discussion should be expected and not excused because zoomers will turn into rabid animals if they see more than two words strung together.

I mean, if power fantasy harem isekai and korean slop are still incredibly well received despite being atrociously written and the same story over and over, that should tell you a lot.

Most who read that stuff do not care about quality, just consuming thing that thematically fits their semblance of a personality and interests just so they can "escape reality" and "talk about it online" because consuming product is only about escaping reality and circlejerking about it with others.
People like that would buy literal shit in a can and this phenomenon only got worse thanks to unfiltered and unlimited access to the internet by minors and retards.

pic somewhat related

>>7075040
What's even funnier is those same kids will often complain in the comments section about 3D backgrounds while also demanding long episodes weekly.

>>7075051
Of course, because they have no concept of how creating anything works, due to having had infinite content at the touch of their fingers all their lives.

I can't really put the whole blame on whoever makes the slop, with any good conscience, because ultimately it is the consumers who decide what sells and what does not and we live in an era where an illustration is considered worse than an anime girl floating in a white void because
>more visual information overloads the scrolling zoomer's brain
You can see parallels to how webtoons are built based on how the average normie behaves and consumes.

They can't decipher visual information and have absolutely no imagination to speak of, hence why you need to tell them what the character is doing, in written form while having an image accompanying it; much like children's book are made.

>>7075063
>because they have no concept of how creating anything works, due to having had infinite content at the touch of their fingers all their lives.
Be fair, it's not like consumers before them were any better. You simply can't expect your average reader to fully grasp the work that goes into comics, zoomers or not.

>>7075075
But it would also not be fair to not point out that consumer behavior got incredibly worse as of the last decade.

One can imagine the kind of work that goes on when doing something, but a younger and uneducated audience will just demand and then complain when their unreasonable demands are not met.

We're experiencing and seeing this way more exactly because of the internet.

>>7073603
if some of you use telegram heres a paid course on webtoon making by Seoyeon
https://class101.net/en/products/600e870a0954af0014eaf7b1

https://t.me/Drawingxyz/9183

>>7074379
there's many good ones
Hellper, Love Advice from Duke of Hell, Gosu, Castle, Latna Saga, The Pinnacle, Sweet Home, Bastard, Shotgun Boy, The Boxer ..

I usually work in manga/comic full page format but I am planning to make my next one shot comic designed for scroll format. What dimensions should the average panel be? Are there any rules or advice any anons have for working in scroll format?

>>7075228
Here's the female lead. The comic I'm working on is a romantic comedy about a ancient aliens investigator earth girl and the prince of Pluto who is a weeb for earth culture because he grew up consuming earth media and ignoring his studies.

Here's a promo I made for it. I got a script finished and am almost ready to work on the finished pages.

>>7075231
Good webtoons themes oi

What are YOUR workflows from start to finish of a chapter and how to keep track of the story?

>>7075228
If you work on clip studio, there's a setting that let's you see the phone size on the canvas, you can toggle it on & off like the grid. Panels should be longer than you're used to working from manga. I recommend making a few panels and preview them on your phone first to see if everything looks big enough/readable

>>7075231
>>7075230
looks cute anon!

Apocalypse Knight dropped a new page today. Check it out here:
https://tapas.io/episode/3093319
https://apocalypseknight.the-comic.org/comics/9

>>7075879
This isn't a webtoon, you should post this on /mmg/.

>>7075879
I tried to read this but it's very slow and boring. What demographic is this comic even aimed at?

tfw im making a scroll comic but im not putting it on any of those sites because of their content rules. im not even a phonefag. i just think the scrolling is more convenient.

>>7075231
How long is it going to be?

>>7075556
I started with a whole outline of the series, then once it's time to work on the next chapter I start with writing the script. I then thumbnail very quickly then get to drawing.

>>7075889
Not that anon, but not all webtoons are infinite scrolling single panel columns though. If anyone intentionally puts a comic up online to read on a webtoon site, how does that not intrinsically make it a webtoon?

>>7075904
Please do not ruin this general like you ruined /hyw/ Betz. Accept the feedback and drop the samefagging.

>>7075889
Ah I may have misunderstood. My apologies.

>>7075904
Yes, they are.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webtoon

This is a thread specifically meant for people who are making infinite scrolling formatted comics, webtoons.

>>7075178
I watched this course, it's very helpful and also recommend it. She especially goes over the graphic design element in good detail.

>>7075970
>>7075178
If I download telegraph I can watch all this on my phone?

>>7076228
yeah you can download it and watch it anywhere nigga

>>7075237
>>7075654
Thanks, I'm excited to start drawing the pages.
>>7075893
I haven't really thought about that, but I should.
I have a script for Episode 1 finished and then stories for the next five chapters and a general outline for where I want it to go, but it's best these days if these things don't run for ever. I guess I'll see how much I enjoy drawing it and what kind of response it gets.

Here's the idea I have for Zag's human alter ego.

Here's Penny in her Eleven-Seven gas station gear. She works at the local combini to pay the bills until her website blows up. It's ok if I call a fake in-comic franchise Eleven-Seven right? Hopefully 7-11 can't sue.

>>7076280
I'm am sorry sir, here in india we don't have much Internet.

>>7076375
>Socks with sandals
Zag I was with you and your likely quest to bang Penny until this point.

>>7076375
He is, as the kids would say, baby girl.

>>7076379
It is unlikely 7/11 would want to go after you, but it's never impossible. If McD wanted to go after every single mangaka that used "WacDonalds" or Starbucks wanted to go after everyone who used "Starbooks", they could. They'd have to somehow show in a court of law how there was likelihood of confusion and some kind of alleged harm, but they could still FILE the lawsuit.

That said, omeow for better or for worse you're an anon that's just making cute and funny comics for people to enjoy. Even just looking at internet popularity alone, you're still a relative nobody (compared to XYZ e-celeb, not trying to put you down or anything since I like your stuff). Odds are that you're so below the radar that it isn't worth a corporation's time to try to notice you, let alone squash. It's just that the odds are never zero.

And if they bitch? Then just change it further to something like "Eleventy Seventy" or "Twelve Eight" or whatever.

>>7076379
The general rule for stuff like this is corporations only care if there's serious money to be made (or lose) then legal action is taken, but otherwise it's all just free advertising for them. But in my opinion I would take the opportunity to make your own in-universe franchise, there's more creative liberties and you could use subtle world building. For example, why don't you make the gas station UFO themed? Call it something like rocket stop or galaxy express, and have some running gags with Zag commenting on how tacky the ayylmao theme is.

>>7076763
>For example, why don't you make the gas station UFO themed? Call it something like rocket stop or galaxy express, and have some running gags with Zag commenting on how tacky the ayylmao theme is.
I was originally planning on doing this, to make it like the tourist towns near NV, but thought it might be an overload of too much aliens. That said it fits the comic. I settled on going with a relatable franchise because I thought it would help ground the comic and seperate Penny's alien world from her boring wage slave life. I'll see what I can come up with. I also need to come up with a good name for her town, but that won't be hard.
>>7076725
You are right, I'm too small time for 7-11 sempai to notice me. I have had Toho, Netflix and WWE issue copyright claims against some of my works, but only after I posted it on redbubble.
>>7076707
I was raised to believe the same, anon. However, judging by the zoomer kids who come to my comic con and art market tables, and photos of street fashion and fashion catwalks, it seems socks with sandals is now considered normal, and even cool sometimes.
>>7076717
The zoom zooms are at it again. I learned something new.

>>7076780
>like the tourist towns near NV
*I meant the tourist towns near Area 51 in NV

>>7076780
How touristy is Penny's hometown supposed to be? Is it a genuine do-nothing dusty gulch or is it supposed to be kind of a tourist trap? Because if it's the latter, and there AREN'T tackily themed stuff everywhere, I would mentally question why while reading.

>>7076780
>but thought it might be an overload of too much aliens.
That's what you want, at least that's what I would think. It's OK to go overboard, people are going to get the message very easily. You shouldn't worry about trying to be subtle or grounding the comic in reality, people are looking for escapism anyway.

>>7076800
>How touristy is Penny's hometown supposed to be? Is it a genuine do-nothing dusty gulch
In my initial conception it's a do-nothing gulch inspired by Baker, CA, Rachel, NV and the little towns near Joshua Tree. If Rachel is the well-known official UFO tourist trap town, Penny's town is more off the beaten path and has even less going on. You're right that a town like this would definitely be covered in Alien schlock to try and get any tourists who drive by on the high way. The alien theme convenience store can also be where Penny got her patented ayylmao hoodie from.

In the story Penny wasn't born and raised in this town, she's from a suburb. Penny moved to the desert alone after her UFO researcher aunt and uncle disappeared. They left their trailer and small plot of land to her in their will. The land has a trailer, a wind generator, and a broken down pickup truck. The trailer is full of weird UFO research inventions created by Penny's aunt and uncle, and she doesn't know if they even work. Penny was always shy and antisocial, but became a full antisocial femcel when she moved out to the trailer and stopped sleeping much. She now dedicates all her time to working on her aunt and uncle's website to carry on their legacy, and prove once and for all that we aren't alone in the universe. She works at the combini to pay the bills, then stays up late writing articles and doing alien research.

>How touristy is Penny's hometown supposed to be? Is it a genuine do-nothing dusty gulch
In my initial conception it's a do-nothing gulch inspired by Baker, CA, Rachel, NV and the little towns near Joshua Tree. If Rachel is the well-known official UFO tourist trap town, Penny's town is more off the beaten path and has even less going on. You're right that a town like this would definitely be covered in Alien schlock to try and get any tourists who drive by on the high way. The alien theme convenience store can also be where Penny got her patented ayylmao hoodie from.

In the story [] Penny wasn't born and raised in this town, she's from a suburb. Penny moved to the desert alone after her UFO researcher aunt and uncle disappeared. They left their trailer and small plot of land to her in their will. The land has a trailer, a wind generator, and a broken down pickup truck. The trailer is full of weird UFO research inventions created by Penny's aunt and uncle, and she doesn't know if they even work. Penny was always shy and antisocial, but became a full antisocial femcel when she moved out to the trailer and stopped sleeping much. She now dedicates all her time to working on her aunt and uncle's website to carry on their legacy, and prove once and for all that we aren't alone in the universe. She works at the combini to pay the bills, then stays up late writing articles and doing alien research. []
>>7076808
>You shouldn't worry about trying to be subtle or grounding the comic in reality, people are looking for escapism anyway.
You're absolutely right. Great point and advice.

>>7076818
>The land has a trailer, a wind generator, and a broken down pickup truck
It also has a well. I dunno why I can't get spoiler tags to work here. Do spoiler tags only work on blue boards? I've been on this site for so long, I should have known this by now.

>>7076818
Your backstory write-up is pretty good thus far. Given how your comic is going to be light-hearted, are you going to go into any backstory as to how Penny's uncle and aunt passed away? Did they just die of natural causes, or did they Heaven's Gate themselves (probably WAY too dark)?

As for UFO doodads, something you may want to consider is whether any of it is going to be nuclear material/radiation based (or not, if it's just a fake). Given that a lot of the alien stuff happened at the same time as all the craze over radiation as the new "super" material, there was definitely some overlap, which is how a lot of early stuff was able to glow in the dark. You don't have to care for any of this that I'm writing, just wanted to throw some stuff out there in case it might help you.

>>7076830
>Your backstory write-up is pretty good thus far. Given how your comic is going to be light-hearted, are you going to go into any backstory as to how Penny's uncle and aunt passed away? Did they just die of natural causes, or did they Heaven's Gate themselves (probably WAY too dark)?
There are too many deeplore spoilers to answer that question fully, but let us just say that they went deep in to the desert on a UFO research trip and were never seen again. Their bodies and vehicle were never found and recovered...
>As for UFO doodads, something you may want to consider is whether any of it is going to be nuclear material/radiation based (or not, if it's just a fake). Given that a lot of the alien stuff happened at the same time as all the craze over radiation as the new "super" material, there was definitely some overlap, which is how a lot of early stuff was able to glow in the dark. You don't have to care for any of this that I'm writing, just wanted to throw some stuff out there in case it might help you.
Realistically, it probably would be, but I'm not going to dive in to all that, as tempting as it is. The plan is to focus on the romance, characters and comedy.

Working on his prince uniform. What do you think?

>>7077926
I like the general theme of the outfit/royal robes, but I feel like it's slightly too busy, like I'm not sure where my eyes are supposed to be dragged to. I think part of it might be that there are too many colors. Looking around, I see black, red, gold, steel (silver?), dark salmon, the off-white of his shoulder pointy pauldron, the blue of his cape, blue jewels, and purple jewels. And that's not including his skin and his neon green hair. It's a lot going on.

>>7077935
Do you think it would work better if I went with greys, blacks and darker reds only, and no gold? This would make his skin and hair stand out. The stones are meant to be mayanite, a crystal associated with pluto. In this comic, all those crystal energy people are vindicated- the alien civilizations all use gem stones for energy to power their technology and also improve their health and auras.

>>7077943
So there's a million ways you can take this, since the sky's the limit with color scheming. Plus this is your webcomic, and I would frankly feel bad trying to shove what I consider to be the "right" color scheme onto you. This is your baby, after all.

You could go for grey, black, and dark reds only - this would help contrast his skin and hair, but at the same time you're skirting real close to going full Sith lord/Avatar fire nation status there lmao. Are they supposed to be evil, but Zag is the nice one?

Or what you can do is pick something like a color within the same general color family of his skin/hair (like say, a turquoise or an aquamarine) as the main color for his outfit, and then use the gem colors to provide a color accent as needed. And you can fine-tune the colors as needed so things don't end up all washed together.

What may also help is deciding what particular historical empire you're trying to base Zag's civilization/outfit on, and then look at what historical colors have worked for that civilization. Then to make it more space-y and gem-y, you can shift everything over while maintaining the same color balances.

>>7077926
I played around with it, I had a few suggestions.
1. No cape. He seems like the type of guy who would go against wearing it because of how active he is and it seems like something that would be reserved for the actual king or otherwise ruling monarch.
2. Ditch the red, switch to purple. Green/purple is an underrated color combo. Overall, a cooler color palette suits him better in my opinion, especially since Pluto is a cold, cold planet. Maybe even add fur in some places.
3. Swapped the gems at the end of his belt tassels to match his hair. The earrings match his clothes but the belt tassel gems match his hair.
4. Deeper yellow, still used as an accent but in less places.

>>7078049
That's bretty gud, omeow. A lot less busy to the eyes while retaining the general costume. The clothes you've chosen already kind of look vaguely like steppe clothing/a Mongolian deel, so yeah fur could work. Maybe at the borders of his outer robe, or on the edges of the bottom of the hat?

>>7078053
I should have specified, I'm not omeow, just a zag simp

>>7078053
Fucking lol, my bad.

Which zag variant is best?
>>7077952
This is great advice, thank you.
>You could go for grey, black, and dark reds only - this would help contrast his skin and hair, but at the same time you're skirting real close to going full Sith lord/Avatar fire nation status there lmao. Are they supposed to be evil, but Zag is the nice one?
They aren't evil sith firenation conquerors, but House Plouton are way more serious than Zag. Ruling and administering a country is hard enough, think how hard it would be to rule and administer an entire planet and also having to deal with alliances and politicking in the Galactic Federation? I was going for Space Game of Thrones.

>What may also help is deciding what particular historical empire you're trying to base Zag's civilization/outfit on, and then look at what historical colors have worked for that civilization. Then to make it more space-y and gem-y, you can shift everything over while maintaining the same color balances.
I was going for a Russo-Korean-steppes mixed hybrid type of inspiration for the outfit.
>>7078049
You're right it looks better and more prince like without the cape. Purple and green looks good , I wanted this costume to look more traditionally masculine and thought purple combined with his bishi looks would be too feminine.
>>7078053
Some kind of space fur trim added on could be cool.

>>7078049
>2. Ditch the red, switch to purple. Green/purple is an underrated color combo. Overall, a cooler color palette suits him better in my opinion, especially since Pluto is a cold, cold planet. Maybe even add fur in some places.
The red was also inspired by Pluto turning red. Pluto is a freezing place, the civilization exists in underwater cities and buildings on the sea floor beneath the ice caps, I guess underwater bubble cities Otah Gunga in Phantom Menace is how I envision them living. I'll work on prince outfit 2.0. In the comic I'm planning for his debut intro to be in his royal costume so it has to be a cool husbando look that drives all the female readers crazy for him.

>>7078087
A darker variant of your green Zag or your blue Zag would work. Purple Zag COULD work, but it is a bit more clashing versus green/blue.

>>7078087
He won't look too feminine when he impregnates penny :)

Captcha: ASPD

>>7078091
>>7078093
It's ya boi Zag. I also made his legs abit longer because I drew them too short initially. Does he look princely?

>>7078300
His crown being so iron-like gives me the impression (if I didnt know anything about Zag) that he or his civilization is not the nicest, but other than that ya boi looks funky fresh.

>>7078323
>His crown being so iron-like gives me the impression (if I didnt know anything about Zag) that he or his civilization is not the nicest
I wanted his prince design to have some alien edge. Royal space politics are not only full of backstabbing and courtly intrigue, but there is also a ton of bureaucracy. House Plouton are in charge of the Galactic Federation's banking and wealth sector. It is a very orderly, sterile and cold place in the Plutonian royal court. Zag is not about any of that mess. One of the main reasons he weebs out for and idolizes Earth culture so much is because how different it is from where he grew up.

>>7078049
Thanks doc.

>>7078496
You might be colorblind

>>7078504
Or perhaps I'm the only one who truly sees.

Tried making a webcomic god knows how long ago
I forgot and threw it away even if it was finished only needing to be digitally traced.
Cover art is only thing left from this abomination

>>7079211
This looks like it would either be complete shit or absolute heat, no in-between.

>>7079211
>Penis-man
>no penis.
I'm a man of culture, I'm not going to dismiss this as some kind of error with a Cinemasins *ding*, instead I find myself asking why, why would Penis-man of all people not have a penis? I wish I could read this and find out.

It's officially the weekend, which means 2 full work days making webtoon.

>>7079462
He has several penises on his head does he not

>>7080540
Excellent. Keep up the good work, anon.

So how's everyone doing?
going insane yet??

>tfw just realize witches are basically pokemon

>>7081735
Still hanging in there. Living on caffeine this week.

>>7081735
You can't fool me anon, you just wanna draw ass

>>7082069
what's the point in learning to draw if not to draw beautiful asses?

>>7082069
anon there's exactly ONE ass there, out of dozens of pictures.

>>7081735
Is it okay to use regular standard western comic format for webtoons?

>>7082678
Can you upload it to webtoon sites that allow user work? Sure. But is it technically a webtoon? No.

>>7082678
I just reformat it for webtoons, but this way I can also print it.

>>7082678
Can you? Yes, but you won't get any subs there at all so it's a waste of time. Reformatting is a must if you originally work in print format. And it's not as easy as splicing panels, you have to make sure panels are big enough to look good on phones which often means cutting portions of the image.

>>7082678
>>7082816
I started uploading my comic as regular pages but it started getting way more views and subs when I reformatted it for webtoon scroll mode. I have hundreds of earlier pages there that still need to be reformatted for webtoon scroll mode. I'm not sure if it's worth taking the time to do it or not because my comic is black and white and I don't think their algorithm will promote it anyways.

i dont have a a story idea. I have some for some comics ive been making, but theyre made for traditional comic format. I have to start from square one.

What do kids like these days?

>>7082960
>What do kids like these days?
Yuri and yaoi

>>7082960
oops, forgot to remove pic. i was going to pitch an idea for a fantasy scifi but i edited my post.

>>7082961
oh, fuck that.
why the fuck do they like that?

>>7082966
(((You know why)))

Do we need a thread for every kind of comic? Manga, Porn, American and Webtoon?
Just post it in the Manga making general, it even says "and related comic work".

>>7083004
Why do you care? Are you a janny? Webtoon and manga are fundamentally different art forms.

>>7083008
cause i get hit with the fucking stick all the time
"BUH ITS NOT MANGA ITS AMERICAHN".
>manga format and style
"BUH ITS PORN."

I can understand seperating the porn, but Keep spliting hairs and being anal about category there will be no room for mixing things up.

>>7083020
Who cares

>>7075556
First, I always write some sort of script, picrel is what it looks like (it's in spanish bc it's my main language) Once I have a basic idea of what will happen in the chapter, I start sketching. I always finish the entire sketch before moving on to line art. It's usually at this stage when I detect issues, and I have to modify, add, or remove some dialogues or pannels.
Then I do flat colors for the characters and backgrounds, then lights and shadows. And lastly I translate the dialogue and make speech bubbles.

As for keeping track of my story, I have some google documents with anotations and timelines. And that's about it.

>>7082966
why do people like cute zeitgeisty romance stories? hmm gee, yeah it's a real mystery, a real outlier phenomenon

>>7082966
I think the main reason they're so popular on the big 2 sites (webtoons/tapas) is not necessarily because they're popular but rather there hasn't until recently been a real outlet for homos to publish their shit. Now dc/marvel have gone full corpo gay but before that it was only the most obscure indie publishers who would consider gay comics. So what we're seeing is the centralization of an entire market due to prior neglect.

But to answer your previous question kids are into action anime with cool & attractive characters.

>>7083020
>"BUH ITS NOT MANGA ITS AMERICAHN".
That's why webtoon is better nobody gives a shit if you're not korean

bump

Uploaded the second episode to Namicomi.
https://namicomi.com/studio/CqPJx9Fw/title/EMtD4pAb/chapters

I found that place is much comfier to upload to, even if it's not popular.

>>7074379
It's inherent to the media, like the OP said, "it's made to be read on phones"
It's like asking if a facebook game can be good, or if there's going to be good surround sound in a plane movie, or if you can change the channel/have good volume on a bar's tv
It's not the content's fault, the media in which is presented is inherently against the product it showcases because it's by default a secondary thing
You don't "buy a phone to enjoy webcomics"

No new pages yet, just new Penny Perezes

>>7085420
Zag and Penny promo

>>7073603
>>Do I have to make it in color?
>If you want subscribers, yes.
Aw drats, haha.
>>7081735
>So how's everyone doing?
Could be better, but I will live. Lost my drawing tablet glove for good this time and need to get a new one soon.
>going insane yet??
I know that feel. You have 155 pages in color on your project and thats still a lot just for one person. I’ve always done them in BW but part of me is considering doing color and now I fear that will extend production time double fold.
>>7082678
On your own website and/or for printing is fine. As a Webtoon it’s generally a no go. The appeal of a traditional comic page is understandable but a majority of webtoon readers are phone-scrollers who prefer a more seamless experience.

>>7085562
>155 pages
This is just part 1 of the project

>double the time
At some point you pick up the pace and go really fast but the madness levels just keep going higher and higher.

>>7085562
This looks fantastic. Link?

>>7077926
>>7078300
Something about Zag’s traditional outfit makes him look really exotic. Feels a bit Eastern European or Mongolian. Mostly because of the crown and tunic he wears. He makes it look neat.

>>7074647
95% of webtoon is trash.

Which is great for me because I can easily rise above them all.

>>7074647
The sfx thing makes me want to kill myself too, I've heard it is something really common among korean creators, but lots of western authors end up copying that, and it looks like shit.
But I kind of understand why they do it, the majority of webtoon creators are amateurs that made it into originals, and they suddenly have to deliver an insane amount of panels every week.
I'm still an amateur myself, like everyone else here, and it's really hard for me to clearly convey actions with just drawings, but I can afford the time to redraw some panels, or try different things because I just make 20 panels every 2 weeks or so, and my deadline is self imposed, but they don't have time for that.

>>7087540
I was going for a rus/steppes look with some alien aspects. His hat is mongolian and tunic is based on joseon era clothing in Korea. The alien aspects are the metal plates and crystals. The original formal outfit was classic western prince inspired but it wound up a bit boring. Prince Zag is a jaunty chap.

>>7088303
>liking Joseon stuff
You watch historical K-dramas, omeow?

>>7088327
I never have until two days ago. I'm trying to watch more modern romances to see what's popular and to get the beats on how to write them. So far the only k-drama i saw was one episode of Captivating the King on Netflix. It was about a Korean prince at the start of the Qing dynasty who plays baduk. So far it's pretty based.

got any webtoon recommendations? i'm a sucker for bullies or gang stuff

>>7073619
Hey man read through your comic yesterday and got hooked up desu. It reminds me of something else i might have watched/read before, but cant quite put my finger on it, i imagine it is just the general feel of the comic that i could compare to some pop-culture stuff here and there. I saw you started drawing since 2021, which is impressive, how did you go about learning it, including the composition and creating mood for the visuals? What about storytelling, do you have some other works like novels?
As for Webtoon, i wonder what mostly helps with bumping up your comic. Lots of questions desu but thanks if you manage to shed a light on some of those and wish you luck with your piece.

Anyone needing a colorist?

>>7088933
prices?

>>7088632
A very popular series set in the recent past is Reply. It has three seasons, with each going further back in time: 1997, 1994, 1988. Instead of the usual stereotypical K-drama stuff, it tries to be more grounded and keep them as just normal people who lived during those times. Highly recommend.

If you want something that's set more in the modern day but is about high school, the manhwa live-action adaptation of True Beauty is "ok" enough. The plot is simplistic but it has enough funny moments that I don't mind.

If you're looking for a good historical drama, I would highly recommend Rookie Historian Goo Hae-Ryung, which is set during early 1800s Joseon.

It's friday, what a beautiful day to shill my comic
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/goodnight-dana/list?title_no=839366

>>7089150
7 usd per page, 10 if it's really complex or requires a lot of time

>>7085598
>this is just part 1

>>7073603
>WHERE TO PUBLISH
>https://www.webtoons.com/en/
>https://tapas.io/
>https://globalcomix.com/
>https://namicomi.com/en
>https://www.lezhinus.com/en/ (Application only)
You should add "webcomicsapp" and "voyce.me" to that list.

>>7075178
Can you please reupload that course on other website please? Telegram is illegal in my country.

>>7089359
I was going to say bilibili comics but it's gone :(

>>7089359
webcomicsapp has a bad reputation because they tried to screw over a bunch of people by changing contracts for full IP ownership. The place has been really dead since.

>>7089359
What happened to dillyhub?

>>7088765
Holy shit thank you so much! That means a lot to me anon, I'm so glad you enjoy the read. If you watched Twin Peaks that'd be why it seems familiar since I take a lot of inspiration from it.

As for learning, I just started copying manga panels, mostly Akira in the beginning. I didn't start real figure drawing until much later which I'm sure hurt me and I'd probably be a lot farther along now if I just started with figures. Composition I studied from just observing manga and film breakdowns on youtube like the studiobinder vids. I did used to write but only as a hobby, I never got to publish anything. I studied screenwriting which helped me develop the story for my comic, I recommend starting with save the cat for the easiest introduction to the basics & how to make stuff that appeals to a broad audience.

five pages to flat!
and after that, rendering, which is much faster...

>>7085562
>Aw drats, haha.
Zoomzooms have such insane demands, and they still want fully drawn backgrounds, rendered shading, lighting effects etc. I'm personally not a fan of making comics look like anime screenshots.

>>7089868
The problem is that everyone thats a mere reader treats art like it just spontaneously appears out of the fucking ether with absolutely zero effort. Sure they know artists exist, and they know that artists have to sit down and "draw", but thats where their understanding stops. Everyone is sooooooooooo insanely good at art, its all so easy to make, so when they see things that aren't fully rendered and colored, etc., they get angry. The story and the art are so easy to make, they reason, it takes no effort! How dare you want them to read something that in their eyes is subpar?

This is the mindset you are going up against. Zero understanding, all demands.

>>7090034
Right, if a comic isn't fully rendered as if it had a full team behind it, it must be a skill issue.

>>7090034
In another context I would say something along the lines of "that's how market works you baby" but slop happening actually unearthed the deep root of that same problem, that generally people don't see art as something where the guy behind is integral part of what they're looking at or get captivated enough to think at least five minutes aboutit, but pretty much as an ad that catches your attention superficially for three seconds, and if goes beyond that is simply due to bullseye pandering or meta engagement to the author's socials or portrayed persona instead of what they're reading

>>7089362
I gotchu homie

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1639775074122080259

Saw this and thought it was helpful.

>>7090792
Thank you!

how do i upload my panels that i drew on clip studio? anybody know how?

when i go to upload them its too big

Bump, and anyone have a webtoon here and hasn't posted it? I'd like to read some

>>7093208
Export as PNG/JPG, then select resolution and file size. If you're making a scroll comic there's actually an inbuilt function to cut the scroll up into 1280x800 "pages" for Webtoons. Uploading the pages there will merge them seamlessly. For Canvas you can upload up to 100 of those pages and up to 2GB, if I recall correctly. They only accept JPG.

>>7089866
Good job, anon. Have you considered using layer masks + bucket tool though? Would save you a lot of work flat coloring.

>>7093482
It's not drawn yet but I have a script for my first chapter and part of my 2nd chapter if you'd like to read it.

It's pretty good and has pretty good dialogue. The concept is basically mafia mixed with Harry Potter. Think of fantastic beasts but with Godfather aesthetic.

>>7094042
So like mafia wizards? Sounds interesting desu

>>7094042
It's pretty good? How would you even know if you wrote it yourself?

>>7094151
Because I showed it to my brothers and friends and they all said it was good and reminded them of the sopranos.

You wanna read it?

>>7094096
Yeah thanks. I'd be honored if you read it I'd love to get a new perspective

>>7094526
Yeah, I'd love to give it a read actually. If you're actually happy with it though, it may be best to just keep it to yourself. It's usually better to get started than to hold yourself up with editing the script. It's possible your script is actually that good, but from my own experience family and friends aren't a reliable source of evaluating your work. That said I also believe encouragement is often more important than critique. If you still want to share it I'll give you my honest thoughts

>>7094539
alright here it is. a total of 237 pages.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T_YNQ7OAVsEsDAmd4NEUfg_FDSuzo6gYU2DATVQfrrc/edit?usp=sharing

note: ive only got chapter 1 and part of chapter 2.

>>7094663
> 237 pages
For one chapter? You know you also have to draw this, right? That's enough content for a graphic novel. Have you finished a comic project yet? For a first story I'd recommend a one-shot to get accustomed to the medium. Writing really short comics is hard, but with around 20 pages you can tell a lot.
Regarding your script itself, I've read the first couple of pages and your writing is actually good. Unfortunately you still lost my interest pretty quickly. Why's that? There are four (!) beginnings back to back. I get the prologue, showcasing the tone of the story. But then we have an unrelated scene with just imagery and narration, then the boy waking up, before we finally move on to the mafiosi. I strongly feel like you should just skip the dream sequence altogether. I suspect it's going to be multiple points of view characters and the stuff will be relevant later, but it makes getting into the story a slog. It's set-up after set-up with little to no payoff and seeing the sheer length of your whole script I think you'd do good to focus and trim the story down. Take a scene to establish your setting and tone, and another one to introduce your characters and the conflict. I get you want to write the Sopranos, but think about the medium. I'd say deliver on your premise and focus on the mafia first. In late, out early. Cut the fat, make it snappy and kill your darlings.
Feel free to dismiss my critique, a lot of it is more an estimated guess based on what I read so far. I will not read a novel worth of script for a stranger on the internet, especially if it keeps that sort of slow pacing.

>>7094810
I read your critique and your absolutely right. I don't expect anyone to read the entire thing. But thanks for even checking it out in the first place.

I'll use your critiques to make it better

>>7094810
Also one thing. I think my art is pretty good, so even if some people might be bored at least in the beginning like, the art will keep ppl interested, y’know?

>>7073603
How do you cultivate the skill of story ideation/telling? I like reading other people’s stories but I could never conjure my own stories. Unlike with illustrations where even as a beg, I have a long list of what I want to draw.

>>7095113
>How do you cultivate the skill of story ideation/telling?
https://thewritepractice.com/how-to-come-up-with-story-ideas-short/

I work better off personally on limits i just wonder what would it be recommended to spend time making characters and story then without falling into procrastination if i were to make it

I have a question how much time do you foos spend on character sheets? Or what type of characters deserve to be fleshed out? Do you plan even side characters or just draw them off the cuff?
>>7095089
I've been lurking this thread and now you've made me post.
What does your art style look like? You clearly are very driven and have things lined up. I'm honestly curious about the rest of your capabilities.

>>7095244
>I have a question how much time do you foos spend on character sheets? Or what type of characters deserve to be fleshed out? Do you plan even side characters or just draw them off the cuff?
Drawing detailed character sheets for every single character is a beginners trap. You don't even need to make em for mains, it just helps some people and also plenty of people like making those things. But honestly as long as you're skilled enough it's just a waste of time for personal use. Animators use settei because there's so many people drawing the project it's more imperative to try to stay on model.

>>7095244
yeah man thanks for the compliment. ill share some of my artworks.

>>7095244
also this one

>>7095699
Your art gives me boichi vibes

>>7095723
im honored to hear that. boichi actually is my favorite artist and my inspiration

>>7095573
Makes sense.
I'll try to keep it simple then. 12 sheets it is, instead of 40. Maybe I'll do some more complicated ones on warm ups or something and keep the b and c characters simple. Trying to get my bearings on startup.
>>7095681
>>7095699
Cool we're around the same level but you definitely have the edge on me I honestly thought you were talking out your ass as people do but you have ability. The story seems interesting too.
I wish you luck and dono's.

>>7095681
>>7095699
I think I recognize you from here before. Your style definitely fits that seinen vibe your spec gives off.

>>7095790
thanks alot man i appreciate it. also idk if this is weird to ask but what do you think about the script so far?

>>7095828
I had the same problem like the others where you are kinda meandering, I'm skimming through it again, it's difficult to pick up plot points. You could cut the script in half and it would still make sense.

Dialog is good. Idea is novel. Characters are interesting. Just give me the dopamine anon.


Keep in mind I'm no idea what I'm talking about and talking out my ass.

I finished the first volume and managed to keep PART of my sanity! Now onto volume 2. If I finish it before the 31 I'd have beaten my own record.


>>7093868
I do use them but ocationally it's easier to just fill it caveman style. Mostly because my brain gets tired and I need a change.

>>7095885
i dont rlly care who reads it. i just want other perspectives

yeah ive been feeling this. so the run down of the first chapter is this:

The story begins with Roberto, a skilled sorcerer and ex mafioso, breaking into the citadel and stealing a valuable book, setting off a chain of events that reverberates throughout the mafia families.

Don Luciano, the head of one of the most powerful families and the Godfather, sees an opportunity for Tony, one of his trusted members, to regain respect and status by confronting Roberto.

However, Tony's allegiance is divided as he grapples with his duty to his family and his desire to protect his wife, Alessia, and their son, Marco.

Meanwhile, tensions escalate between the mafia families when Carmela, the daughter of a boss, Don Armani, meets a tragic end by mysterious men, igniting Armani's thirst for revenge and further destabilizing the fragile balance of power.

Armani sets a meeting with the 5 families. They figure out it was the Albanians who did the hit, and they also come to a conclusion that someone inside the 5 families talked and gave the Albanians information.

Once the plans are set, they prepare for attack.

In the end of the chapter, it is revealed that one of the bosses, Don Profaci, was the rat who was working with the Albanians.

As it concludes, we have multiple plot lines that set up later events and have consequences.

Multiple characters with different POV points throughout the story.

And in my opinion, pretty interesting. A balance between mafia, and magic. Not too much on one side where is foreshadow the other.

>>7095936
>first chapter
Anon you really are out of your mind.

What happens in chapter 2? A battle between the Mafia and Albanians but the Albanians buy the police so it becomes a struggle for survival as the family is on the run?

>>7095957
actually, it starts off like this

tony's crew set operation A in motion, as they eliminate a crew of albanians guarding an outpost.

after the job is done, clemenza, one of the soldiers on the job, calls tony and tells him that operation A is done.

tony hangs up and call Don Luciano, and tells him that the hit was successful, and operation A has started.

We cut to Don Profaci (the rat) trying to light a cigarette, but is interupted when one of the albanian men he gave information to before, holds a wand to his throat and accuses profaci of playing double agent.

profaci denies, and says it wasnt his men.

the albanian man says it doesnt matter anyways, the boss is angry and wants to talk.

they arrive at the boss headquarters. their boss is called 'Shefi' (boss in albanian)

the shefi is shown to be charismatic, and very brutal, as he crushes one of his mens head with his bare hands for working with the feds.

the albanian man leads profaci inside the room.

profaci, nervous, asks Shefi (boss) what he wanted to speak about.

the shefi gets up out of his seat, towering over him, and tells Profaci to take a walk with him. then we will talk.

thats all i have for chapter 2 for now.

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/welcome-to-goldcrest-/list?title_no=901453
Hey y'all, I'm Kobe I've been making a webtoon in my spare time for almost 3 years now. A friend told me to post it here, any feedback to market/improve the comic would be dope.

>>7096946
I actually read through the first chapter, and I have some thoughts.

1. The art is pretty good. I like the style.

2. You clearly have passion, which is rare nowadays.

But, I have some critiques.

The paneling is very strange. When I'm reading the dialogue, it get confusing when speechbubbles aren't in the correct order.

Also, the imagery is very flat. There are little to no backgrounds in every shot, only a weird Clip Studio gradient. You might want to start using 3d models for backgrounds.

There are plenty of school 3d models that a free on the assartistic.

If you want to change them into line art, simply mastering the background, then click filter up on top, then click artisitc.

One more thing. The story itself got me intrigued. It made me curious why that guy gave him pepper spray and why the school was so bad. But then when it's just revealed to be a fighting degenerate school with little to no depth, it lost me.

I'm not telling you to change your story, (as you've already got a lot of chapters done), but it's just something I found weird.

>>7096946
From a glance this looks extremely underrated, will check this out later!

>>7096966
>There are plenty of school 3d models that are* free on the asset store*

>>7096966
Fair enough, a lot of those complaints I sort of ironed out later around chapter 5 onwards

Bumping with an update:

https://m.webtoons.com/en/canvas/shadow-division-files-witch-hunt/aah-part-1/viewer?title_no=792199&episode_no=14

bumperino

https://m.webtoons.com/en/canvas/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092

I have the first chapter of my comic formatted for phone scroll webtoon format and part of volume 3 of the comic formatted for scroll as well, but everything in between I just posted as regular comic style pages, some of which are hard to read on webtoon. Do you think it's worth taking the time to reformat the entire thing? It would be about 500 pages. Originally I was planning to do this, but I think it will take way too much time that I'd be better off spending making new comics. The comic is in black and white and I don't think the webtoon algorithm or staff will feature it even if I did spend time reformatting the whole thing for webtoon. My instincts are telling me I'm better off moving on and spending time making new comics instead.

I was wondering how much of an issue slowness is for a wholesome manga. when I started I didn't expect for the "big opening punchline" money shot to be 35 pages.

It's a one-shot, its my first time doing anything involving writing and anything related to comics (although I have done a single page layout once before for fun that was highly criticized) and I am mostly just planning to have fun with it, but I am having a hard time placing a "catch".
It was recommended and almost mandatory that the first page has to be well illustrated to set the tone and the first turnover to have a good hook/catch.

Should I just skip the introductory stuff and skip forward and perhaps rely on a flashback-esque pacing right after?
Like I move the money shots to page 1/2 and then essentially rewind time to how it happened?
I feel like it's a bit cheap though

>>7101923
I think in your case it may not be worth it, like you said it's just too time consuming and takes away time from making new pages. Once you've got this one in the books you can just go all in with your next project.

>>7101923
First off, I haven't read your entire comic because it's very long, but I admire your dedication to working on the same project for so many years. I only know what I've seen on /hyw/, and I've been there for a year or so.

First of all, I haven't seen many black and white comics become original. I know Moon You and Miss Abbott and the Doctor, and the former is korean, so I think it plays by different rules than the rest of us mortals, and the latter is a romance, so it has a much broader target audience than yours; also both comics are exceptions.
The lack of color doesn't make any comic better or worse, but the average webtoon reader really takes color as a given, so you're playing at disadvantage.

Furthermore, while there are webtoons that have a moderate amount of fanservice, yours sometimes goes overboard with explicit content. For instance, that beach episode crosses the line of what Webtoon would consider acceptable. I'm not sure if there are any similar scenes in other parts of the comic, but if there are, you would not only have to adapt the format but also censor them..

Potential readers also might get turned off by the artstyle of the first episodes, I've heard that a lot of people get mad when the artstyle of the webtoon doesn't match with the thumbnail style.

I think reformatting would bring some readers, but I think webtoon won't help you much. I'm sorry if I sound like a dick right now, but I think you should just move on.

>>7103555
>>7103657
You don't sound like a dick, I was thinking all these same things, I just wanted validation lol. Ty
>For instance, that beach episode crosses the line of what Webtoon would consider acceptable.
Yeah I had to censor the shit out of it for webtoon and medibang to allow it, only Tapas and namicomi let me post it uncensored.
I might make a few more mini comics, but then it's wrapped up. When I continue the series I'll do it as a sequel that works on it's own. I want to call it Aeon Sophia. Maybe Oi! : Aeon Sophia for brand recognition but it sounds less cool. Before I do that I want to draw my alien rom com and also an aztec vs Conquistadors one shot I've been thinking about for years about la noche triste. Thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it!

Weekend's approaching, time to roll up those sleeves anons!

>>7073603
What's the advantage to making one of these as opposed to a regular webcomic?

>>7105574
Bigger (albeit younger) audience

>>7105574
Money, mostly. But it really depends on the audience you want to attract. Young people want scrolling full color webtoons, millennials are reading manga mostly but also webtoons, and genx are loyal to trad webcomics and also have the disposable income to drop on kickstarters & patreons etc.

https://youtu.be/6pXhXgGLhUs?si=FSQUivjs4f2pv1I3

I thought this was a good eye opener, though she doesn't address niche series that became global phenomena like Attack on Titan, Tokyo Ghoul, Mob Psycho, CSM, Dorohedoro... though having an amine adaptation probably helps A LOT

>>7105587
>Attack on Titan, Tokyo Ghoul, Mob Psycho, CSM, Dorohedoro
don't think any of these classify as niche unless you go super specific with the details of the series. it's all demons or zombies which have been popular since like... the epic of gilgamesh. she's talking specifically about webtoons which is mainly romance in the west, but that's only because line webtoon is something like 70% girls under 17 who only use it when they get bored of AO3.
most ideas have broad appeal anyway so it's honestly not worth bringing up until you get really into the weeds. webtoon prioritizes romance usually but they really fucking hate their western side being the horny teenage girl website so they've been trying to bring on more shounen (and other "boy" genre) readers recently.

>>7105805
What the hell is AO3?
Age of Empires 3?

>>7105805
Dorohedoro is the definition of niche. I don't really see what it's doing on this guy's list of "global phenomena". Mob Psycho is quite niche too. Both of these works were surprising hits... for niche series. The rest are straight up mainstream works, they aren't and never were niche, all appearing in big mainstream publications.

>>7105933
yeah lol I didn't mean to include that one I've never seen it before, but my point is that the genres aren't niche, not the series. they're all (again, minus dorohedoro, idk anything about it) shounen or zombies or demons or a mix of the three, which are all very popular.

>>7105916
archive of our own, it's just a fanfic site.

>>7105916
Archive Of Our Own.

https://archiveofourown.org/

>>7105933
Isn't mob psycho considered widely as one of the best anime and Mangas of the 2010s?

>>7105967
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>check it out for the first time
>2nd featured news article is about the ELVIS act
>the act that protects artists from AI duplication
>The site doesn't want artists to be defended
So not only are they femcels, but they might be pajeets too?

>>7105977
Niche does not mean unpopular or low quality.

>>7105985
How is Mob Psycho niche?

>>7106023
It was in Ura Sunday, a much smaller publication than the rest of the works listed (aside from Dorohedoro). It was a niche work because it was in a niche publication. Like I said, they were both surprising hits. Dorohedoro was a cult favorite for a long time before the anime introduced the netflix casual audience to its existence and the anime adaptation/proximity to the author's other work is the only reason anybody outside of japan's even heard of of Mob Psycho. In a discussion about how to make a successful comic, I don't think it makes sense to consider "just have a studio full of beloved industry veterans make a slam dunk of an adaptation" as an actual option, so I'm talking about the comics themselves here.

>>7106026
It seems like the only way to get noticed is by having an anime though...

>>7106064
If your goal is just to get noticed go make youtube videos or something dude, you're going to be disappointed by comics.

>>7106026
>>7106064
They made an anime of mob psycho and dorohedoro only because the source material was so popular. Dorohedoro only took so long to get adapted because studios couldn't figure out how to do it cheaply but using CGI allowed them to finally do the Manga's artstyle justice

>>7106089
>They made an anime of mob psycho and dorohedoro only because the source material was so popular. Dorohedoro only took so long to get adapted because studios couldn't figure out how to do it cheaply but using CGI allowed them to finally do the Manga's artstyle justice
Do you have a source for any of this?

>>7105805
>webtoon prioritizes romance usually but they really fucking hate their western side being the horny teenage girl website so they've been trying to bring on more shounen (and other "boy" genre) readers recently

is this true? source? please be real im serious

>>7073858
>gay/lesbian shit
are you not gay yet in 2024? what's wrong with you?

>>7106122
Nta but the call to action contest wasn't that long ago

>>7106122
yeah not only the call to action but also the fact that the biggest series currently (lore olympus) is coming to an end but they're dragging it along while trying to find a replacement. i think it's looking like they're setting up down to earth since it's a similar brooding guy peppy girl romance setup, but the call to action would have ideally brought on a lot more series that would have then been able to become originals.

it seems like it was planned really shittily though since the winner of the call to action isn't active anywhere online and hasn't posted any progress updates aside from a vague reply in august last year on their twitter, and all the top comments on the actual winner announcement are saying it was rigged and unfair (https://www.webtoons.com/en/tiptoon/webtoon-now/call-to-action-winner-announcement/viewer?title_no=2025&episode_no=217)) so i think webtoon might be a bit apprehensive to go forward with another contest like this.

also it just makes sense from a business point of view. lore olympus is by far the biggest western webtoon, but even its 1 billion view count is nothing compared to the 10-11 billion naver webtoon has with solo leveling and lookism. most webtoons are weeb slop and a supermajority of weebs prefer action over anything else.

>>7106359
>>7106466
I just remembered the winner was also supposed to get an anime done by rooster teeth. RIP

>>7105984
I did some quick floating around there and the AO3 subreddit - as far as I can tell it's nothing but women writing ships for the overwhelming most part.

>>7106490
Specifically homo ships

new update, have a nice weekend

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/goodnight-dana/list?title_no=839366

>>7106948
Not bad anon. Liked the interplay between the characters.

>>7073603
I'm kind of interested in starting one of these, but I feel like the backgrounds are a massive hurdle. It's either disgusting looking 3D backgrounds that aren't even painted over, or very simple backgrounds that are usually very zoomed in on the characters.

Seems to be an often overlooked factor

>>7107979
The only hurdle is learning perspective. Once you know it it's actually easy, the time consuming part is coloring. But you can easily get away with using 3d since the webtoon audience is already used to it.

>>7106948
1k subs! Got any tips for growing an audience?

>>7107979
If you know the main locations and camera angles you'll be using, you can just make the backgrounds in bulk. If you use a vector brush then that also lets you change the scale of the drawings as needed.
3D assets also don't always have to be disgusting or obvious as long as they're used sparingly or if you trace over them in a more natural style akin to your art, Webtoon originals and similar mass-produced alternatives just don't have the time to do that, and can't make backgrounds in bulk because of the possibility of editor meddling and/or big story changes midway through the series. Also yeah learn basic perspective it really doesn't take too much time.

>>7106962
Thanks dude
>>7108004
I think I'm a horrible role model. If I have those 1k subs, it's because Webtoon featured me for some weeks. I don't know if it was sheer luck or if someone at Webtoon really liked my work, but that's why I can't recommend anything specific to you. To this day, I have no idea what I did right or what I did wrong. I'm just trying to improve and make my comic the best it can be.

The only thing I can recommend is that you try to be consistent with your updates, because that's the only thing I ever did.

I can't upload for more than once a month. Webtoons is horrible at promoting Canvas series in general. How did you guys get traction?

>>7108983
sorry man if you aren't posting every week webtoons just doesn't give a shit and won't promote you, even high tier creators are forced to go weekly or announce a hiatus. the website is purely a content churning machine.

>>7109124
Would releasing a certain set of chapters in a "season" work? Or is it over if you're not constantly doing weekly for years on end like a mangaka or something?

>>7108983
>>7109124
I'm on a monthly and I got promoted. Though it's true they favor weeklies the most, even if the updates are short. I just have a preference for longer & satisfying updates.

>>7109408
this anon >>7109416 raises a perspective i've never heard of, so maybe consider that pov more since i'm just going off of what i've seen and not personal experience.
that being said, all the videos webtoons (themselves and their creators) releases on the matter say to upload at least every other week, but ideally weekly. you could try splitting up one (for example) 20 page chapter into four 5 page chapters to go weekly, but the tradeoff is that people don't get to read the story with the pacing you intended when writing it. a lot of canvas readers get that you aren't doing it professionally though so they don't care too much from what i've seen, and creators can still get far as long as the uploads are consistent.

Bump

Currently making 3d reference models for the aliens/characters with a lot of details, and was wondering how people felt about the design

>>7073603
>Webtoon is the ancient Korean art of scrolling comics
now I want to see a webtoon released on scrolls

>>7109124
>either grind down your soul and personal health to release on a rapid basis just to produce non-detailed work or else you don't get promoted and nobody really sees your work anyway
Fucking hell. Feels like the only winning move is to not play sometimes, not going to lie. What a horrid rat race.

>>7111490
what if you draw it all ahead of time

>>7111500
If you're making chapters weekly you may as well just post them after you get a big enough buffer, but if you aren't making them weekly then that would just take far longer and make you burn out far easier. At least when you're posting your art you (might) get people cheering you on, but if you're just making with the intention of releasing them eventually you'll keep second-guessing every page you make.

>>7110907
Dangerously based
That's a cool design too

Are there any resources/courses for going from 3D to 2D? I'm thinking about using it for making backgrounds mostly, my computer is pretty old (like 10 years old, ancient Macfag) so I'd like to try something like Sketchup just because it seems lightweight compared to other 3D software. Or could something like an old version of Blender work too? I'm just at loss, any kind of guidance is appreciated.

>>7113365
https://www.instagram.com/acon3d.official/
Is the most used that I'm aware of.

bump

>>7113365
Which program are you using? Acon3D and more 3D assets are already integrated into CSP so that's probably the easiest already, but this could also be useful if you want to use your own sketchup backgrounds you could try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrCFd3uBwo
The video's for Photoshop but Clip Studio has similar features if that's what you're using.

bump

Did you hear about this super like thing on webtoon? Will you apply for it?

>>7117786
Might as well if you're eligible for it.

My table at wondercon today. I've sold some Ois but it's been watercolor cat portraits and cat comics at this show as the main seller. Next week I'll focus in on finishing some COSMIC CRUSH pages I penciled.

can someone post an example of webcomic panel in it s publishing format, I am confused about the size of them what they mean by distance between panels. How do you create this distance between panel, just create a long format document and measure them or something?

>>7118070
gj

>>7118079
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/webtoon-format/list?title_no=109936
if you want to download it, open it in tachiyomi (you do have tachiyomi, right?) and tap and hold the screen. to make longer panels, then just multiply the vertical height of the canvas by typing "*2" in the "Height" field on whatever canvas resizer your drawing software uses to multiply the height double, or "*3" to triple, etc.

and there's no real rule on how long each panel should be from each other, but official webtoons guidelines say you should space each panel and word balloon so that it takes up the entire screen. i think that's fucking stupid and wouldn't go nearly that long, but that's something to keep in mind if you're looking to become an original.

>>7118079
If you use CSP there's an option to turn on webtoon view it let's you see the size of a phone screen. It's really helpful to toggle on & off so you avoid making panels too small/spaced too close

bumping

Has anyone given up on tapas? I get absolutely no traction anymore whereas webtoon I still get new readers every so often

>>7119756
yeah me too, having updated 21 episodes, I've got 4 comments overall on tapas, and most of the views are just mine. I won't stop updating, because it requires 0 effort to do so, but yeah, it's pretty much dead up there.

>>7119924
they killed the app for indies when they removed them from the front page. Sucks because they were the only site to feature my comic so far

i envy those who can even make and complete it. I get stuck in drawing process, it is not an issue for me to make something or design a panel but i always feel like i can learn to draw better so i am never satisfied.

>>7119756
I get no traction there either but it's one of the few sites that doesn't demand I censor my comic so I still post there anyways.

>>7120022
They still promote indies on the front page but it's only a select few at a time. And they're always the usual BL/AF slop.

>>7118070
Are you a girl with pink hair or something, right???

>>7118070
ok

>>7120436
This your psychotic meltdown phase?

>>7120436
Bruh

>>7120436
What the fuck?!

>>7120436
Interesting art. I see you are not a fan of Dana lol

>>7121231
>armpits
Hnggggg

>>7121231
Those are some delicious pits

>>7121308
>>7121331

>>7120436
Someone actually drew this. I'm astonished

>>7121384
I think the same anon has spent a few hours drawing oi art in the /i thread I made. Clearly my comic seems to have inspired them in interesting ways.

This probably is a really retarded question but if i'm making characters for comic, do and would you wanna worry they are appealing perhaps even sex appealing?
Is it silly to think about that?
I know it's more important to serve a purpose and convey what they are just from looks but yknow just curious

>>7122712
Of course your character design should be appealing. As for making them sexy? There's enough of that stuff out there already, keep your focus on making it recognizable

>>7120438
>>7120527
>>7120637
>>7121384
He posted this a while back and you guys didn't bat an eye to it then. Why is it just now so appalling all of a sudden?

>>7122767
Didn't see it the first time. Looks like more Bones schizoing out than anything

>>7122767
I never saw it before, this is the first thread about webtoons so I'm really confused. That isn't even a webtoon anyway.

>>7122837
why would bones draw this?

>>7122837
why would bones draw this?

My 2024 resolution was to start my comic, I'm hoping my writer can use it as a portfolio piece some day

Lmk what you guys think of it so far, it's my first time

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/runeterra-divergence/list?title_no=933721

>>7122956
He's been schizoing hard on discord, lashing out at anyone who questions his schizobabble. I could see this coming from some seething jealousy of Oi having some actual waifus, as opposed to Bones' many failed attempts at waifubait. But that's just a theory...

>>7122960
Cute art, anon, and decent use of shading as well. Keep going dude. My only personal question (not a criticism) is why nobody has boobs. Everyone kind of seems flat as as board regardless of gender or fat percentage.

>>7122976
It just happens to be the character designs of the 2 main girls, ladies later will be more well endowed. As for the men it's something I gotta work on, when I try they end up looking incorrect somehow so I need to practice more.

I appreciate you bringing it up though, and I appreciate the other comments as well.

>>7122960
That's really cool, I especially like how consistent the art is throughout. Line art is usually the thing I see that people get wonky but you did great.

I think if I could say anything it'd be to try to get a wider variety of perspective shots going. I've only read the first chapter but most of it was talking heads with the occasional eye level perspective here and there which isn't as interesting as it otherwise could be with more varied angles.

>>7123026
Yeah I'm pretty shit at perspective so I was playing it safe, but ill start forcing myself out of my comfort zone some more

>>7122960
Subbed! This looks great.

>>7122960
It looks good it's just that you only have the exposition so far and I don't know anything about the characters yet except for the girl that ran away from home, but I figure it's going to be sorted out in the future chapters anyway. I really like your style though and the noisy brush for outlines looks delicious. I'll keep an eye out for future updates and I wish you good luck

>>7122968
That's strange if true. He once made a 30 minute youtube review of Oi where he pointed out and analyzed every ass shot and seemed to like the comic, and he's nice to me on Twitter. He also made a youtube video where he called me a degenerate weirdo for drawing cartoon porn on /aco. Behold the duality of bones, I suppose.

>>7123638
>>7123638
>>7123638
new thread