/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7083801
meh, think I made her legs too short
oh well, on to the next turd

How do people learn ligthing? I mean i have some grasp of where to put shadows but on more complex drawinngs its like my braint totally forgets how to draw.

Totally dump question but could someone give me a hand on how to learn/practice it?

>>7083828
WIP.

im always afraid of drawing/painting backgrounds behind my characters (even after a bunch of simplified landscapes for that exact purpose) i was feel like any bg i makes the drawing worse and more confusing and it is better to go with a coloured square in back.
any tip on doing bg of characters

'bout to buy a graphgear 0.3 and 0.5 and never draw like I do with my 0.7

This is the first portrait I've done in a while, not really happy with how it turned out. I was way too timid with the shading and the nose is wonky. Do you guys have any tips and crits other than just more mileage?

How do I get good at drawing? I'm left handed, have perpetually shaky hands, ADHD, autism and a learning disability. 24.
I've wanted to get good at art since I was a teen but I've lacked the motivations, resources and teachings to get started.
I don't know
>which brush size to use
>optimal size to draw digitally
>good pressure curve to start out with
>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
I legitimately don't even know how to do sketch lines. My coordination is so fucked thanks to my autism, I can barely even sketch without even the most basic lines fucking up. I can't visually imagine stuff in my head when I'm actually drawing, and my ADHD just wants me to finish as soon as possible. I can barely decide on something as basic as what model to use when trying to sketch a head.

>>7083842
learn the forms

>>7083846
SHOO SHOO SCHIZO

>>7083843
you could try starting out with like a very simple background and colour it a bit just so you can choose the right colours for your character and they don't stick out like a sore thumb
because remember colours are relative

>>7083865
blog

>>7083828
How long does it take to git gud

>>7083876
minimum 5 years

I won’t draw during draw o’clock and nothing can make me draw.

Tried drawing some heads from imagination
Any suggestions on how to make it look better?

>>7083878
How useful are these drawabox tutorials for drawing tablet stuff?

https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/superimposedlines

>>7083845
I believe Chris Legaspi's vids on portraiture could help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RcCkLDVpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vyKfZrM6M

Next time you draw try to exercise better line control. Picrel. In the beginning it's something you need to make an active effort for, but it becomes instinctual rather quickly.

Good luck.

did some minor fixes to this but I can't seem to get the chest area looking half decent.
Can I get critiques?

>>7083865
sir this isnt /lsg/

>Figure drawing a day
>Day 6
At least it doesn't look like total shit. How'd I do?

>>7083915
>At least it doesn't look like total shit
Anon...I..

>>7083915
You need gesture drawing, anon. You won't learn anything like this

>>7083842
why do you think people do still lives and plaster cast drawings? Why do you think people do long pose figures? You learn lighting by observing it.

>>7083920
How do we tell him

>>7083920
>>7083934
Truly, being a /beg/ of my caliber is to suffer. lol
>>7083922
Isn't that what I'm doing? A model a day, roughly 1-2 hours per session. Figured I'd just brute force this while reading an anatomy PDF during lunch breaks.

>>7083941
Gesture is drawing the general feel of the figure using mostly smooth curves

Google has some good resources. There is also Proko's tutorial

The pose for today is an action pose. Try to emulate that flow of kinetic energy. Give it a try!

>>7083843
work done so far.

>>7083941
>Isn't that what I'm doing?
It isn't. Watch the proko gesture video as a primer and move on to Hampton or Vilppu

>>7083957
There was an attempt

>>7083915
I did a redline, thinking you were an actual beginner, but then I saw that face you doodled on the right and now I'm scared that you're actually a really good artist pretending to be a beginner

>>7083941
anyways, if you really do want advice, I would say focus on proportions first, not necessarily gesture. Simplify everything into literal circles and rectangles, and try to get the lengths and widths down perfect. Watch the Krenz Cushart lectures, and combine it with studying from taco antatomy

gonna redraw all chapters of some shitty ecchi manga

>>7083828
Sk8ergirl

>>7083835
Ref for pic related was really complicated, so I simplified a lot, but it was fun

>>7084005
I really appreciate this. Is Taco a book or video? If the first. Is there a source on the PDF?

>>7084045
it's an anatomy book. 2 books, actually, sold as one package. Only the pdf of the first book is on libgen, teh second one, which covers legs and head, wasn't scanned. if you do decide to pay for it, though, it's worth it

>>7084054
Doesnit rrally help you? Mind posting some pages pretty please?

>>7084083
Bridgman is dead. Long live Taco, king of hispanic anatomy books.

>>7083957

>>7083920
>>7083934
I'm worse than gim, what do i do?

>go to somewhat crowded public park to draw from life
>see chick sitting in front of a lake, perfect composition
>start draw
>she looks back and sees my weirdo ass
>10 seconds later gets up and walks away
felt a bit bad about this one, but drawers gotta draw.

>>7084148
if only you were attractive...

>>7084148
Did you forget the golden rule?

>>7084138
Nothing. You just made a drawing that's not good but so have i. As long as we keep trying maybe we'll make it

Decided that I was gonna simplify my practice and draw organic shapes and boxes overlapping each other in various shapes and sizes but I look at my first page and they're all a uniform size no matter the perspective.

How do I actually practice the depth axis? There's no point working on overlap when there's no depth to it.

>>7084247
pyw

>>7083957

>>7084249
I would rather have not since this first one was basically just a scribble warmup but it does show what I mean when I say I feel like the depth is super flat. Doesn't feel like it's in a space at all, more like it's squished between two layers of plastic film.

>>7084256
do you have an example of what you're even trying to achieve?

>>7083957
Wanted to post the blue one initially, but decided to also draw this one quick.

>>7084257
Something along the lines of these but also with organic shapes that compress or squish together.

Depth, overlapping one object together and objects deforming as they touch. I can barely put an arm behind a torso so I want to practice it here.

>>7083845
>>7083915
>>7083957

nice work all around guys, keep going!

>>7083957
first time drawing a guy i think, didn't feel as gay as i thought it would

>>7084289
draw his bulge, coward.

>>7084291
nohomo

I don't know if this is the right place to post, but I'm trying to draw a comic and I need some people to give me feedback on the visual aspect of it. Do you think a whole comic in this style would have potential and are there any big negative aspects that immediately catch your eye that I should improve in the future? I'll post some pages.

>>7084300

>>7084302

>>7084303

>>7083892
This anon most likely isn't drawing loli I've seen their drawings and they just have big heads lol I think it genuinely comes down to a stylistic choice which unfortunately gets you in that range /association

>>7084300
go to the comic/manga general, also try studying kentaro muira

>>7083957
not much of an action pose, it's a static hold
There's a lot of counterbalance so it's not stiff

I started using notion to study and compile overall knowledge. Highly recommended. I'd say 2h are enough to familiarize yourself with its tools and functions.

Good studying, anons.

What are some easy items to draw in perspective? I've improved on tables/sofas/wardrobes and now I'm looking for the next thing. I guess some stuff with more tilted planes or something involving clear basic forms would be the best. I'm looking for particular image search inputs to gather up a bit of references and get back to the grind.

>>7084388
Older boxy cars might be a good next step

Dan DeCarlo study

>>7083828

>>7084388
these are pretty cool

>>7084388
>>7084395
also glocks

i don't think i'm quite ready for proportions. But I'm feeling stuck on what i should really work on next.

Is drawabox right in saying to go and draw something that even as beg it's more challenging to you?
I know about getting out of the comfort zone but to what extend, is there too much?

>>7084409
Draw something on the very edge of your comfort zone. So you're challenged but not compleatly lost.

>>7083957

>>7084416
Alright i'll try that.
Thanks

>>7083957
The collage from last thread's drawings, the most so far. Good going guys!

To the one guy: draw darker, even after upping the contrast there's not much you can see.

>>7084373
You're right, I didn't think about how slow and deliberate the motion was done in order for it to be photographed.

>>7084373
This anon is right, the pose is cool but the guy "throwing" the kick doesn't quite look right, would recommend some bruce lee clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgfAW99gVc4

painting a taiga

>>7084435
I-i K-kneel.
Blog?

>>7084394
Shouldn't have eaten all those bean burritos...

>>7084435
now draw her pregnant

>>7083957

Sup beg, today i had good session, but yesterday i failed to draw so i am basically not happy

>>7084435
i think the legs are wrong. the differences between 2 thighs lengths are too big to make a sense in such angle
>>7084394
that wall needs a texture or some items going to the left so its not so empty. or crop it. otherwise i like it
>>7084300
comics are 90% captivating story, 10% drawing. all it is missing visually are colors. even simple ones are enough. normies dont read black and white stuff
>>7084255
turbo fucked up proportions
>>7084247
draw real scenes like here instead of bullshit cubes in vacuum
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n33
>>7084038
very cool, but its as if you put loli anime head on burly mans body
>>7084036
nice
>>7083842
references, 3D models, discarding physics and inventing shades to imply form + enhance composition / shapes or outright memorization. the more i draw the more i notice the same patterns in shades on figures: all the drawers are copying from each other that few memorized patterns. Pic very much related
>>7083835
very nice turd

>>7084460
sorry, i added a weird werird bumpy on the cloth that might have gave the wrong impression, tried to change it

>>7084395
>>7084398
>>7084393

>>7084460
powie, did you really call someone else's art a turd? or did I read that incorrectly?

>>7083842
Observation like the other anon said, but also construction. If you can construct a blob and draw a wireframe around it and it feels 3D then you can do the same for light and shadow. See hastily drawn example in picrelated.

>>7083957
It's over

>>7083892
Please don't scare the few int artists we have away. Please let them stay.

>>7083846
>>7083854
Is that a copypasta or something? I kinda relate to it

I screwed the right arm I know, tried to draw without any kind of references.

>>7084532
no one ever get scared of being called notbeg. it is not a beg thread for a year already

This is a PSA for anons.
Never reply to MarielX
Thanks.

I require assistance with my rendering

>>7083846
Hi, shaky hands adhd and touch o' tism too, started learning how to draw at 18 and was making good money off it through comms a few years later. Just keep drawing with purpose and learn what works best for you.
>brush size anywhere from 15 for details to 100 for sketching.
>3000 x 4000 pixel canvas. Sometimes smaller when I'm sketching (thumbnail) cause its forgiving on mistakes.
>you can change pen pressure on tablet, csp, and the brush itself, so this is super subjective. I prefer a super light touch
>keep screwing around until it feels right. i still mess with mine on a brush by brush basis depending on what I'm trying to accomplish
>stiff figures are gunna be the bane of your existence for a looooong time.
gesture drawings wont help you as a beginner, so focus on understanding how the body fits together and what different body parts look like at different angles. dont think about copying exactly what you see; rather, the feeling of it. things that are anatomically correct are rarely as interesting to look at as things that are expressive - you still need to know how the body fits together though. depending on style, you can favour a curvier or more angular way of depicting the figure. experiment!
>keep trying new brushes, experiment, screw around. this will come naturally as you build hand dexterity. try to be confident with your lines but dont be afraid to slow down and carve things out when you need to
>draw because you like the process. you'll be a beginner for a long time if you dont push yourself to try new things or dont find it rewarding
>free tip: use references. no one knows what a shrimp looks like from memory unless they're staring at shrimp all day
>otherfreetip: people say material doesn't matter; it does. i fucking suck at traditional art, tablet is fine, but display tablets are absolute goat

>>7083957
Opinions?

>>7084566
>this nigga responding to the resident schizo
stop wasting your time

>>7084561
You need to draw a thousand more figures and faces and hands before even THINKING about "rendering"

>>7084566
I'm not the original anon but this post is helpful, thanks

>>7084460
pawell, what goes through your mind as you draw? are you actually thinking or are you just brute forcing it? just curious

>>7084327
I BEG YOU FOR BLOG
ALWAYS SO GOOD ANON

>>7084380
Anon, there are many cool stuff in Notion, if im not mistaken there’s even this one:

aHR0cHM6Ly9hc2dnLm5vdGlvbi5zaXRlL0FydC02ZGI3NDQxNjZiNzA0NmY5YjdjNjY4ZTE3ZmJkNjJmMQ==

>>7084456

>>7084615
based

>>7083828
some renderfaggotry for a change. does she look like brown skinned or have I just looked at it for too long?
I have trouble with skin tones when it's these compositions where most of the figure is out of the light

>>7083957

>>7084648
the biggest problems start with the drawing
mainly proportions, anatomy and form

>>7084648
looks like a tan

Where do you guys get your "inspiration" or "motivation" to draw?

>>7083957
nice pose, made it part of my dailies
hope they're coming out good

>>7084659
make drawing a habit to where you feel bad for yourself for not drawing for a day

>>7083957

Back to studying after several years of "just drawing".
Tried using Tom Fox's easiest head mannequins (the few ones at the start of the book), but I feel they're not enough and don't translate properly what I see when I look at a head. Improvised my own mannequin from what I could see and depict, and tomorrow I'll see if I'm pro enough to use the asaro head as one.

Top left doodle is a result of trying the Feng Zhu ultrasecret technique of setting a grey brush to 30% opacity to "simulate markers" and quickly render sketches. Pretty cool.

>>7084653
well I redrew some stuff based on this redline >>7068132
what else looks wrong
>>7084655
I was aiming for this kind of soft lighting >>/s/21887589

>>7084566
lmaoooo

>>7084676
>>>/s/21887589
forgot one meme arrow

>>7084682
>The pic immediately under

>>7084673
pay more attention to the ref, use plumb lines, check relationships

>>7084676
I hate the render version, love this one

Haven't drawn anything in 3 weeks, feels like I already forgotten everything

Just did a sketch, I'm scared to draw anything past the clavicle.

>>7084676
Big cranium and low eye placement made her look like a child lowkey. I tried correcting it.

Tips to draw hair? (anime)

>>7084702
模写する!

what i use for practice? pen, brush or pencil? i am using a tablet.

keys to Drawing bottle exercise, i feel like I'm either not doing this correctly or I'm unintentionally rushing myself

>>7083828

>>7084704
木炭と鉛筆だけ

Okay, I know the "am I too old" and "how long will it take me to get good" question is asked fucking ad nauseum here but I would like to inquire anyway.

So, I've been drawing for a long time, but I've never been consistent. I have ADD and depression (like actual clinical depression because of childhood abuse) so it's hard for me to focus and get tasks done. I've loved drawing and making comics since I was a kid, always took art class and shit, but I wouldn't say I "seriously" started drawing until 2016 during my senior year of highschool. But I've never been super consistent with my learning. There are times where I would grind a fuck ton or draw until my hand hurt, and then periods where I would go months without drawing at all. I've done studies, I've taken art classes and even got an art minor. I'm 26 now and I wouldn't say I've made significant improvement. I drew A LOT during 2019-early 2021, then I kind of tapered off a lot to where I only drew on occasion. I drew pic related back in 2020 I think, may have been 2020. I've posted a lot of my work here.

But to get to the point I want to ask is I don't really know my skill level or how long it would take me to get competent at drawing from where I'm at. The amount of time I've been drawing doesn't seem like a good indicator. I feel like I'm at square one, like I'm basically starting at 26 because I never took the time to get good and was never consistent. I feel like I let myself get too old to really master this skill. I'm not sure how I passed my art classes. I posted some of my work the other day and people referred to it as "baby steps" and I get they were trying to encourage me but I feel like I've been at "baby steps" for years now and I'll never be able to run. I don't know if I'm lacking talent, discipline, or both.

>>7084714
Apologies for my faggy rant.

>>7084714
troll post. don't reply

>>7084714
just be yourself :)

>>7084714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

>>7084698
Fuck off. Childlike facial features are the key to cuteness

>>7084005
>I saw that face you doodled on the right and now I'm scared that you're actually a really good artist pretending to be a beginner
How did you come to that conclusion?

Garbage incoming

>>7084714
We can't tell you how long it would take you to get good because we can't know or control how you will use your practice/study time.
See >>7084720
If you already decided you want to draw, there's nothing to lose - if you practice you'll get better. I haven't checked every link, but the "hardcore" link in the OP has very useful info.
Good luck anon.

>>7084723
A character doesn't need to look like a child to be cute.

>>7084688
>check relationships
I'm single

>>7084430
>breaking news /beg/ finally draws for once

Any advice on this man face?
I'm hoping if I get good at drawing rough and rugged men, then I'll be able to draw really pretty women.

>>7084771
it's good, but i feel like heavy's eyes are slightly smaller and higher up

>>7084771
now add some shadow

>>7083828
I've given up improving but I still end up coming back to drawing.
How do I cope with being permabeg?

for the first time in 18 months of drawing ive made a semirealistic face that i actually like. we are all gonna make it.

>>7084801
There is no cope needed bro. This is a tough skill, if you don't try and improve, accept it. Use this as a hobby. Personally I'm not working on improving anymore because I'm comfortable with my skill to work on my comic. Pick your battles

Practicing figure sketches cause my Zeta sucked.
https://files.catbox.moe/c2npvu.png

:<

What type of pen/brush/pencil should I use for figure practice? I'm using csp if that helps.

>>7084817
opacity pressure. disable size pressure, if you want

>>7084771
something about the way you drew his mouth feels weird

I think it makes it look like he's got a devious conniving plan, which doesn't suit the Heavy

>>7084585
nta but why? wouldnt drawing a ton of finished rendered pieces be way more efficient because then you're practicing everything; sketching, line art, rendering. instead of just sketch, sketch, sketch until you feel satisfied enough to move up. plus posting finished pieces gets the guy crit on more than just his basic foundation drawing, but also his rendering skills so everything is being improved at once.

>>7084828
nta, but an argument you could make is that rendering needs form knowledge, if you are "rendering" without feeling the underlying forms you aren't really learning it.

i tried drawing on paper today

>>7084828
>Why
Because he's a crab and is trying to stop you from leaving the bucket

Can anyone explain to me how to make front facing kneeling postion look good? Otherwise I'm gonna end up cutting em off (the ref didn't have em there tho).

>>7084828
practicing everything takes longer, if you need to get better at drawing figs but you're spending 20 mins drawing one then 40 mins rendering it (just asspulling numbers for an e.g.) you're getting 1/3rd of the fig practice of someone who focuses on one skill at a time
i'm not convinced there's any value in rendering shit figs for the reasons >>7084830
mentions
i'm megabeg too but drawing isn't the first skill i've picked up and this has been true of all the others, i don't see why art would be different

>>7084802
king shit

>>7084802
nice

>>7084730 take this with a grain of salt - im also /beg/

i think an issue with this is that you're trying to focus on too much as a /beg/ - try just getting the basic pose down first, and then work on adding details after

I can see the construction underneath - but I don't think this image serves well as a reference, because it's too "busy" and obscures the core form/pose.

try looking up actual human photo references for this pose, and practicing that.


some other things I think might help are

- setting up a horizon line/floor to act as a "grounding point" for the whole image. Kai'sa's feet in your drawing aren't aligned, whereas the original image has the feet adjacent to each other

- the hair in the original can be neatly sectioned into different "tentacles" but your drawing has a jumble of lines to vaguely approximate the same overall shape. Try and identify the smaller shapes the original artist used to create the hair.

- Kai'sa's face in your image is too vertical - her face in the original is tilted, but your drawing sort of drags her face down to a normal angle. Try rotating the reference next time so that it isn't tilted, and try drawing so that you are drawing a normal perspective.

>>7084271
>>7083889
Thanks for the feedback guys, the videos helped me see somethings I couldn't before. Definitely gonna rewatch those a few times

>>7083828

>>7084917

>>7084776
You're right. Wow his eyes are tiny!

>>7084800
Gave it a go. I could keep working on it, but this feels fine for now.

>>7084819
I made some changes, but it's a hard expression to nail.

>>7083957
how many figure drawings have people done to git gud?

>>7084730
>>7084906
Here’s an example of what I mean regarding learning the structure of the pose before moving to more detail. Like I said, I’m also a /beg/, so my art is probably not very convincing.

I try to break down the pose, and then recreate it separately. I can tell if I’ve done a good job simply overlaying my construction over the original.

I’ll work on trying to add detail later, I just wanted to try and better convey what I meant.

Keep at it man!

>>7084924
very nice

>>7084920
is it too bad?
i also posted the low rez ver.

>>7084959
Is it a full drawing? It is unfinished.
You need more render. The composition and drawing is good enough.

>>7084959
Looks fine overall. I assume you're going to add shading?

I will say though I really personally dislike that kind of anthro. Reminds me of the Cats movie.

>>7084966
>>7084969
i know i should
but i am afraid that im gonna ruin it and make look it muddy/ ugly

>>7084979
It's a digital file anon, you can always just ctrl+z it. At least give it a try

>>7084959
i just don't like the content, I'm not commenting on anything else u do u senpai

>>7083871
@eridhaaa333

>tfw my gains has been through the roof lately
something just clicked in my brain, its actually insane
it seemed like I was going in circles with no improvement whatsoever, but now everything has changed
god im mentally cumming so hard right now. so this is drawing™, huh..not bad

>>7085008
pyw

I decided to learn how to draw because I am planning to create a 3d game by myself with my designs. It seems this will take the while for me to get this done or I will end up in /beg/ hell before I die.

>>7085037
You only need to learn some basic drawing fundamentals for that. I would suggest focusing on learning blender as your main thing if thats your goal.

>>7085008
Good for you anon.
But you either say this with your work attached or don't say anything at all.

>>7084941
What figures ITT do you consider good?

>>7084996
cops or furries or her not being enough furry

>>7085041
I need more concept arts really. From the settings and such, also don't forget the art cover.

>>7085052
it's both too furry and not furry enough in a way that's incredibly unsettling

>>7085010
>>7085042
I don't have to prove anything

>>7085072
You're right. But blogposting doesn't make sense in an anonymous board. If you're not going to share your process and knowledge I fail to see the reason for posting at all. No one cares.

>>7085077
I do whatever I want.
>No one cares
I don't care.

>>7085077
Bro, just stop replying. Hide the posts

>>7085084
Yeah. Ironically it's usually me who says that to other people, but I legit thought the shit attitude anon could both help other people and be helped. Welp.

>Everybody recommends Taco or Morpho
>Taco is more anime style, go with that
>I can only find it in Korean
Now what?

>>7085091
I have no obligation to help strangers on 4chan.
anons whine and shitpost all the time in these threads so my "blogpost" is completely valid and on topic.

>>7084906
>>7084944
>- the hair in the original can be neatly sectioned into different "tentacles" but your drawing has a jumble of lines to vaguely approximate the same overall shape. Try and identify the smaller shapes the original artist used to create the hair.
This is the thing that i don't really get. I cannot really fanthom how to properly draw hair. Since it looks like a bunch of stripes for me. Any more indepth tip for that?
Everything else, great tip. I didn't really notice the feet making a ground for even the hand to pinpoint where it is and being aling.
But also what do you mean by the face being "too vertical"?. Also rotating it so it doesn't be "titlted" wouldn't defy the purpose of learning?

>>7085105
the drawings aren't in korean

I challenge the tred with this Ref

>>7085112
> purpose of learning
nta and I don't know what you are learning but you need to learn to look more. girl chin/face rotated/pointing to tits and your is almost straight to the ground

7085106
Lack of self-awareness has infected /beg/ once again, brothers.

I'll be drawing in an hour or so, what should i draw for fun, aside from just the practice.
I've been thinking frog, but idk.

>>7085135
i think you would enjoy cock (penis)

>>7085135
frog would be cool
also what the other anon said you might enjoy cock (penis) (phallus)

>>7085139
>>7085136
Like getting dicked irl or as an artistic object?
You know what? I'll just try both. Wouldn't wanna be a crabbing beg

>>7084675
Found some cool 3d models. This is hard.

>>7085008
good on you anon, i'll pray for your continued gainz and for me to get on a similar track

>>7085120
This will be my warm up for today.

>>7085120
Drew it as a warm up for today.

just got my first brush pen, couple nibs, and ink.
got some Guptill exercises:
https://sketchwild.com/2021/03/11/getting-started-first-exercises/
pretty soon my shitty manga pencil drawings will be showing up inked

>>7085249
*dip pen

>>7085199

>>7085008
>something just clicked in my brain, its actually insane
Betty describes this in her book 1:1. Some students would make huge leaps from lesson to lesson and essentially reach a new league overnight.
Seems like after a certain point it just clicks. The more you practice the sooner it'll happen.

>>7085275
You Keys-to-Sucking shills need to GTFO /beg&int/

>>7085279
Sorry

>>7085008
>>7085271
Instead of posting work you are posting zoomer memes filling up the file limit, you mongoloid.

>>7085183
ok Loomis I hear you

>>7085008
I remember having the same high, after studying shapes and construction for a few months I switched from 2D to 3D drawing and that gave my works an absolutely massive boost. That said I kinda stagnated for a while and now I'm back at step 1, feeling like a complete /beg/let and with a massive mountain ahead of me. Art is a journey filled with ups and downs.

>>7085249
testing it out with a quick sketch and
holy shit pens are so cool

is it still learning if I am copying a different artist?
like yesterday I tried drawing from reference of a real photo and today decided to use another artist's art as reference
don't feel confident enough to draw from imagination yet

>>7085358
"A master study is an attempt to understand the process and creative choices of a painter, typically an established one, in an effort to see how an artist may arrive at a finished painting."

Note to self: use a darker lead when sketching

>>7085358
Learn some fundies and try to see apply those fundies when you're drawing with a ref

>>7085362
see if you can apply*

>>7085360
>>7085362
guess I'll share what I've done for my day 5 study
I did learn some loomis from some videos and find I learn better that way
I wanna work on anatomy tomorrow

>>7085362
Darker lead is harder to erase. You sure about that?

Third try at rendering and it's kicking my ass. theres so many variables with tools, tool settings, layers, layer settings, its overwhelming

>>7085391
>You sure about that?
Yea, the paper is thick but smooth so its easier to erase stuff. Need greater contrast to make the drawing pop more (especially since i dont have a scanner, yet)

>>7085394
maybe start with a simpler piece.

>>7085394
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/getting-started

>>7085394
thought that line was a mouth at first

>>7085416
lmao
>>7085404
>>7085409
thanks, i got ahead of myself

I've done some rough sketches of stop motion puppets of the characters from Omori. What do people think about the bodies, which I rather crudely traced?

>>7085429
huge hands

>>7085429
Mental illness is what immediately comes to mind

>>7085404
This sphere looks so good i want to eat it. Thanks anon.

>>7085429
Neat.
Where's Mari?

>>7085394
lol just use ai for rendering ez

if you dont know the origin and insertion point of every muscle in the human body then are you even trying?

>>7085444
dead

>>7085461
I don't intend to draw guro

>>7085461
lol pyw

>>7084815
Nice

>>7085501
he just did, are you retarded

Going through the drawing on the right side workbook and I just finished the 10th exercise which was drawing a hand with one eye closed.
I feel very discouraged, especially since the book says I should feel very pleased with by the result of this exercise, and the drawings from the other students in in this book look so much better. What do you think? Am I a permabeg?

I'm still a beg and I know the reason I struggle with line art with my screenless table is just my lack of skill and mileage
but I still want to find a style where you don't need super perfect lineart, I do love lines and not just value control though

>>7085549
You're int nigga, stop demoralizing begs.

>>7085553
I wasn't trying to, I can't even draw backgrounds, just semi-naked characters in different poses

>>7085501
just did?
>>7085483
NOT TRYING

How many fucking hands do I have to draw until I'm good at it? Why does everything I make look ugly?

>>7085549
floor seems out of perspective with the character

>>7085554
people make an entire career out of that on xitter

>>7085566
Why can't I make something pretty!!

Why does the hair looks so weird?

>>7085570
It's the eyebrows and Voldemort nose.

>>7083891
what do you mean? do you want her tits to be bigger? the arm on the right (as you're looking at the drawing) doesn't look like it's pushing up against her breast, unlike the other, thus creating this image that looks like the arm is behind her body, or something. is that what you're talking about?

I fucked it up even more

I want to start improving at drawing.
What are some basic things I can draw and what are some actual good courses or books to consult.
I've tried drawing on the right side of the brain but I don't really think it helped me.

Didn't draw today but it's okay. I'll make up for it.

>>7085578
Read the sticky, learn to construct basic 3d forms (circles cubes pyramids etc) and then use those shapes to create your subject of choice

>>7085584
Will do

>>7085588
btw what do you wanna learn to draw? If it's humans I'd recommend this video to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>7085575
No that's better. Still the nose...

>>7085567
yeah you're right! I just added it later but it looks off
I was thinking of downloading Krenz course on perspective

>>7085574
hi, thanks for the reply
I felt it was like, unnatural.
Maybe because I didn't have any perspective into consideration. it likes its either too big, or too small, or just looks flat.

>>7085593
I want to start with humans and the tutorial you sent looks good so I'm going to watch some of it now.
Thanks anon

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'm looking for beginner advice based on my interests-
I've been told to start with gesture drawing and the basics, which has been helpful, but I'm extremely interested in drawing anime-style sketches, faces and such, and I'm looking for a way to improve in that field specifically
I can roughly draw some anime-style stuff from references, I think I just heavily struggle with proportions and perspective

>>7085319
I think I'm good for today. Fun stuff. Looking at Loomis' diagrams and Proko's videos helped a lot.

>>7085615
If you don't want to only draw what you see you should still go through the basics, anon. Whatever you interests are. Observational drawing, perspective, construction etc. Fundamentals apply to every style.

>>7084707
doing the same book, but i'm past that part. read that exercise, look at the example, apply dodson's words. mine doesn't look any better, but i'll tell you that you're doing fine. dodson approaches drawing differently than other well known artists, but i've had positive results for someone who only recently started drawing in their adult life. keep it up

>>7085394
you got that in you, I think you have a chance of success, its just gonna take a while to render that. I think its a good idea to sometimes aim "above your skill level", but yeah keep in mind that render takes time

>>7085350
other nib was a scratchy pain...
day 1 pen and ink over

I wish humans only had one eye so I didn't feel the need to kill myself every time I have to draw the furthest eye and try to guess how much of the near side is covering it or what fuck off angle it's really at instead of my brain wanting to draw both eyes meeting in the middle.

>>7085648
> try to guess how much of the
>guess
There's no guesswork in drawing. just sounds like you haven't done enough studies. As much as I like construction, if you don't have the observation mileage of copying thousands of faces, then construction won't work

>>7085653
>Tilt the face slightly
>Still see the furthest eye
>Tilt it a tiny bit more
>The nose makes it vanish or the eye gets half as wide

People love to teach a million different ways to construct the face but they always leave overlapping out of it.

How do I get people to actually see art I post on twitter?

>>7085658
it is part of understanding 3d form. construction is all about forms in space. if you draw shapes it is not constuction

>>7085575

>>7085666
Find artists who draw stuff similar to you in genre and interact naturally, leave a few comments here and there until people notice you. Respond to commenters a little deeper than a "thanks" and upload to other places with links to your twitter in the source.

It's slow but it's always best to be patient and natural, make sure you don't rant or spam memes either the former is especially poisonous to an account.

>>7085674
So you're saying I have to smooze up more people I may not even know or care about in hopes other people notice me while doing so?

Fuck's sake I retreated to internet to avoid doing exactly that.

>>7085679
I've seen people 10x better than me with 100 times less followers because they just post art wordlessly or cry and breakdown every other post.

You have to be social to use a social media site I'm afraid, either that or just reach the apex of your drawing skill and be incredible.

>>7085679
One post and I can tell you aren't making it lad...

>>7085692
I-it can't be over already....

Sup beg, drawing is hard!

>>7085666
you have to play the social slop algorithm game: follow some people, post your art as reply under their post, hit random like buttons and dont forget to follow all anons in the share your social general on /ic, some of them will follow you back. i follow anyone who follows me back
>>7085648
this is where loomis head model comes to save you
>>7085615
keys to drawing, perspective made easy, any book from anime titans like Hikaru Hayashi Excellent Manga Sketching Techniques Volumes 1 to 5
>>7085570
if you dont add some form of texture then the hair turn into helmet
>>7085566
because we are stuck in permabeg. i wish i knew how much longer must i draw to escape
>>7085549
very nice male thot
>>7085547
you arent drawing what you see: symbol drawing (L mode). i recommend to slow down and redo the contour chapter (page 46) with the vase. then grab a photo of hand from yandex and apply exactly same process as you did with the vase. until you learn that you cannot continue
>>7085429
keys to drawing
>>7085350
how often do you have to dip the pen? isnt it distracting?
>>7084959
there is nothing inherently wrong with it, but man shes ugly
>>7084707
dont worry, the bottle is extreme difficulty spike, it filtered me too
>>7084648
that chick has zero brown features. this is barely a tan
>>7084599
if you zoom in, you can still see my construction lines. that is what i am thinking. then as i am drawing contour of chest i am like: okay here ribs end, then bump for belly and here is crotch. and like that i draw whole figure. after i cannot see any more mistakes i toggle ref visibility and redline the biggest errors and move to next figure. it is all permabeg. my current goal is to be able to draw figures without explicit need for reference
>>7084542
i like it
>>7084475
they called it turd themselves, i just added compliment

>>7085689
This is funny to me because all I want the artists I follow to do is post their beautiful art and shut the fuck off.
>>7085679
My man
>>7085731
Do you have a progress collage of yours? I'm curious.

>>7085774
stfu**

>>7085679
moment when zoomer faces the reality of life

a bainting :DD

>>7085847
good start, cool color usage reminds me of the new mexico trancendentalist painters

>>7085666
>>7085679
I don't interact in twitter socially, but I try to
>make something some people want to see and search for (i.e. fanart)
>use hashtags

>>7085549
did another one, but now there's ground

How are you suppose to Loomis with a study like this? I'll try the whole sphere, "cut off" a side of it, draw lines for eyes, and a centerline, but I always have to go way off script to make things look somewhat accurate.

>>7085876
build the features of the face with other primitives

>>7085047
>>7084673
>>7084498
>>7084457
There's more but I'm on mobile

>>7085876

How do you draw the structure of the body from the back? More importantly the lower part.

>>7085619
>>7085731
Thank you two for the direction, appreciated!

>>7085774
>Do you have a progress collage of yours?
>progress
heh

>>7085731
Thanks for liking my doodles.

Do you guys draw on top of the structure marks you do or you erase them? If so how do you erase them and continue to see them to trace in top of it?

im stopping here and going to bed.
is her head turned too much?
i hate drawing torsos. also arms.

>>7085923
beg opinion: I tried to replicate the pose of the head and it hurt. so I guess no. Also, the ass is facing right, the boobs face left, so she is doing a hella big stretch there.

hello ic. Can anyone guess what I was trying to draw here?

>>7085917
On digital, use a dedicated layer and lower its opacity (I'm >>7085619, that's what I do with the blue marks, for example)
On trad you have to be careful with your erasing, or make your guides as succinct as possible so they "disappear" when you draw/render on top of them https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjHwwCcJUrA

>>7085923
pillow shading

>>7085923
what you do not hate to draw?

Ive gone my own way and done okay on my own but i cannot even measure myself next to the people who post here. So many people here are so talented and i wish I had a crumb of the skill these people have developed

>>7085923

>>7084615
At kleast wait until im done anon. Do you think it reads as her stretching before shes waking up or should I extend one or two of the legs to make it work better?
>>7084439
@subuart
dont do much loli stuff tho, just happened to rewatch toradora recently, thats all

>>7085994
nta but motorbike anon!, your render work is really nice

>>7085992

am i GMI /beg/?

i hear a charger
don't be getting charged n shit

>>7086017
Chances are low

>>7086020
kill yourself

>>7086023
Your chances getting even lower

>>7086023
<3

>>7086023
He was being generous

>>7086039
Beaches and shores

>>7086020
tried to replicate a cool artwork i saw, i think i did a pretty good job, ignoring the sharpie fiasco.

>>7086042
The art style of the Slayers manga is adorable. Pretty good job copying it.

>>7086046
might try wholesale just ripping it off till i can draw it half decently, i really enjoy it
>>7086044
SOVL

I'm working on the value composition before putting in colours.
Anything looking too wrong or off??

>>7086049
her face in the second one looks really weird also her TITS are HUGE like fucking GINORMOUS like WOWZA GEEZ LOUIS WOW

>>7086054
Yeah I'll fix the eyes and
Tits are the correct size that's what client asked for

>>7084148
>doesnt take a picture
retard

>>7084153
how come there isnt a diversity and inclusion version of this?

kekl

>>7086071

I found that when I was doing the mannequinization of the figure, if I draw over the actual figure with the cylinders and stuff, I was able to more closely follow the lines and details of the figure when drawing the actual figure over the mannequin

Is this something I should move away from? I feel like it's not quite tracing, but drawing the shapes over the photo feels kind of like tracing.

>>7086126
It's basically tracing in the sense that you're barely training your observation skills, if at all

>>7086129
Should I try what this anon mentioned and break it down over the drawing, then try to recreate it?
>>7084944

>>7086136
Sounds okay to me but I do it the other way around, construct from observation then if it looks slightly fucked (common) check by doing it over the image afterwards and comparing. I'm no /int/ but that way feels like I'm practicing observation more rather than taking an easier route and just copying the result from it

>>7086139
That sounds like a good idea.

>>7085958
i thought so. this is what i've been using for reference.
>>7085972
i had to look that up. ill try it
>>7085975
hate is a strong word i just feel like i struggle the most with torsos in every drawing
>>7085992
this looks fucking great. i feel like i should start over lol

Posting shitty abandoned WIP!!!!!!!!

>>7085994
>subuart
Wtf is this shit? GET OUT OF /BEG/ REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Good morning /beg/, I've decided I'm going to start posting here more often to hold myself accountable.

I've been grinding fundies to the best of my ability because I got sick of polishing turds only to get praised by naive people, the impostor syndrome was too much to bear. I'm trying to unfuck my perception of form, because it's always been really 2d the moment I try to use basic shapes/planes. I always found organic a lot easier to intuit, but that's probably because there's a lot more room for error.

I keep making mistakes in subtle angle changes and proportions, which this study made really clear to me. I think I need to bridge the gap between geometry and organic shapes because that seems to be the weak link here.

sketch

>>7086239
You dont look beg at all

>>7086266
I am, this is just a copy from Anatomy For Sculptors. I still can't do simple shit like run contour lines through organic shapes accurately, so I definitely consider myself /beg/ at most.

All I really have to share is more studies since I've fallen for the grindfag meme and now I feel trapped in practice before I can allow myself to draw something that could really gauge my level.

how do I make the perspective of the bg better here?

>>7086268
Well, how are you going to know what level you're actually at if you don't try? You have enough self awareness to realize you're just endlessly grinding but for some reason you're not allowing yourself to take that next step. Stop overthinking it bruv and just draw what you want that isn't a study. If your end goal is anime girls then draw anime girls. Then self critique on what parts you think you can do better. Grinding unrelated studies can only get you so far, you gotta apply it man.

>>7086273
That's true, I guess I'm just afraid. I tried to get ahead of myself and just drew what I aspired towards on and off (sometimes as rare as once or twice a month, or nothing at all) for a few years before getting my health in check and I could always feel the back of my mind screaming "you'd know how to do this if your fundies didn't suck." This is definitely just me overcompensating now that I have the energy and willpower to be consistent.

I also need to get my digital tools back but that'll take a while, and since my end goal is digital painting I can't exactly draw a level check piece right now, so I've decided to grind until then.

permabeg here. ive been learning how to crypto trade and it looks like it going to be pulling through soon. problem is ive only been able to draw for like 10 hours tops in the past few months and it will probably be this way for as long as the bullrun lasts. i can feel the soul leaking as i become an emotionless trading machine. is there anyway to recover from this? i offer a ref pic of a cute coyote in evening/overcast lighting. i can post more too.

If anyone's still lurking here, what am I doing wrong ? I've redrawn the face like 15 times but she never looks like her.
I'm not posting in /asg/ because they seem too busy jerking off

>>7086303
chin too rounded, insanely long jaw, eyes misshapen (most important part), ear angled up too much, unappealing nose stylization, curve of cheek peaks too far up the face, massive hair chunks instead of thought-out strips, body proportions too chunky and realistic (especially the hands)

>>7086313
thanks

>>7084005
>. Simplify everything into literal circles and rectangles
Pretty sure I fucked it up, but is this what you mean?

>>7085885
I'm one of those and I started drawing in april of last year. I draw daily, mostly for 30-60 minutes and do gesture drawing sessions ranging from 1-5 minutes per pose. So do the math

>>7086139
tried it out

I like your described method, it's quite fun

Man hands are kind of fucky to do though

hate to be the one to tell you this but 40 is way too fucking high buddeh

>>7086344
Anon... You need to train observation and precision. Look at her hips. On your ref they are tilted almost 45 degrees, yet on your picture the top of the hips is parallel to the ground and the bottom is somehow tilted the opposite direction. And I am too lazy to point out other issues

>>7086344
She's got a long neck.

small post today anons
got filtered by the tonal bar project in KtD. gonna give it another shot tomorrow and take it slower

>>7086371
>>7086417
I think it's more he drew the line across the body too flat instead of the hip itself being out of shape.

>>7086268
>fallen for the grindfag meme
God, I feel you, i've been stuck at it for over half a year now

>>7086471
Did you mean to reply to another anon? I didn't reply to that other guy's post

I took the Pawelpill, i'm already feeling it, kurwa pierogi ja pierdole kielbasa Solidarnosc Lwow nasze PiS CD Projekt RED.

Be noticed that i got bored 2 minutes in and started doodling "kewt" animals.

>>7086468
This is one of the few things I can give correct advice as a beg. First, draw the bar without hatching. The reason you failed is because you thought you could execute it in one run. You have to draw in layers (e.g.: darkest area are multiple layers, lightest is one), and the most important thing, is you have to draw with a very light touch. You should not be able to see where lines begin and end, it should be a smooth transition. Don't worry, I had a similar result and once it clicked I did it perfectly. Also ,the 30 minutes for the exercise is no joke, it's not hard if you know what you're doing, but you have to be careful.

>>7086067
I try to separate the two, like when I go out just draw what I see. But I will say this, I can make an okay drawing from life if the subject is easier, but my life drawing landscapes are dogshit, it's very very complex for me.

>>7086498
>I took the Pawelpill
why would you do this
my greatest fear is having whatevers wrong with him rub off on me every time i accidentaly open his images

test

>>7086556
my nuts in your chest

MIGRATE
>>7086591
>>7086591
>>7086591
>>7086591
>>7086591

Ultrabeg here. I realize that i need to practice base shapes to get better. Are there any courses focusing exactly on that?