/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7071219
this is gonna be literally me

I cannot change my fate as I'm stuck in keys to drawing.

>>7071219
>>7071313
Vilppu is a well of poisonous water, purposefully infected to spread gonorrhea among those who drink it.

Study from Krenz instead

>>7071219
Honestly fuck this guy thanks to him I'm this close to giving up. And it's not out of jealousy.

does pawell ever do any finished pieces? what the fuck does he apply all this studying to

>>7071219
If you've seen his deviantart page he's actually not that bad, he just doesn't know how to study

>>7071341
I wish he would. Or just some sort of original pieces. Surely he sketches from imagination regularly, right? He should work trad. Putting the pieces together and creating your own work is part of the process of becoming a better artist. One must apply the studies as a means of study.

>>7071340
>>7071346
I like this one of his

>>7071334
has krenz ever done a basics course anon ? apart from the TLd yt lecture. I have his perspective and light and color course but I haven't opened them yet.

>>7071341
didn't he do the art for the horror game in his website ? it's pretty weird but cool imo
https://pawell2418.github.io/index.html?tags=~cityofgod

>>7071334
>Spreading disinfo about Vilppu
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

>>7071388
Oh right. That’s really cool. He should do more studies of animals.

>>7071219
I keep yelling at him to change his process but he keeps insisting he needs to be able to draw humans perfectly from imagination before he is "allowed to draw" for real. He will literally die of old age before he can even draw humans. It's the definition of insanity. He is absolutely ineffective with his current way of studying because he never applies it and he also makes the most visually unpleasing studies I've seen. He has poisoned his own brain with this.

>>7071219
Some people have it and some people don't.

>>7071334
Pavel does vilppu?
Vilppu is like the only book that ever helped me

>>7071597
There's a lot to criticize but the craziest thing is his refusal to apply anything he learns. He just keeps copying Villpu's drawings. Only drawing from photos on your screen is not ideal, but only drawing someone else's quick sketches is not gonna get him anywhere. The fuck are you doing, nigga? Look at an actual body. The learning isn't from the book, it just gives you the groundwork to learn more effectively from real bodies. He has this incredible drive, but no passion or curiosity.

>>7071658
He just has severe autism or some shit for sure.

>Pavell learning from Vilpuu
No he doesn't. I am taking Vilpuu's course, and most of the exercises are drawing gestures and poses from photo models. Pawell draws from imagination, and I don't know who got that idead into his head. He doesn't feel the flow and forms at all.

APOLOGIZE

>>7071658
>He has this incredible drive, but no passion or curiosity.
Kino summary
This describes the conservative mind to a t

>>7071762
>libtard?
Now it's a pol thread huh?

>all this crab seething
>0 (zero) works posted
Lets say he suck, but what makes YOU so assmad about it?

>>7071762
>bringing up politics for no reason
inhale cyanide gas you worthless nigger

>>7071789
Pawell is like an ink blot test, and I don't just mean how his figures look. We see that which we hate about our own ability and habits in him which causes a vague existential dread that people like to lash out at. Don't get me wrong, I'm something of a beg myself and I like the fucker and haven't given up on him, but he is frustrating. Anyway here's something that's roughly around my skill level. Not what I'd show off to impress people, but not my worst.

>>7071789
>Assmad
Pity is more suitable. He turns people against him, lables his critics as crabs. He'll become the Sami ways of /ic/

>>7071840
There isn't much "critique" on /ic/ to be honest, majority of posts is just flinging shit. People seldom point out what exactly is wrong with drawings, and good advice is probably 1 post in 300. The usual "critique" on /ic/ is calling work permabeg shit and that's it.

Oh look, the schizo is posting about himself again

>>7071899
A lot of anons on the /beg/ thread tried to help him. Most of them got frustrated when he - Pawell called them crabs at the slightest suggestions. Fucking try to coach him and you'll understand.

>>7071899
You don't actually post here

>>7071219
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mie_scattering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLw4N2DPxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA0mw55lPFw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nd:YAG_laser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cutting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wgkgcpmiki/Turtle_Beak

>>7071944
Kek you'll get called prebeg at posting on /ic/ before you read an intelligent thought here

>>7071906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAaB66b_r1c

I'll be honest with you Pawell.
I gave up on you a long time ago, but I don't really care, just like you don't care about any sort of feedback.
But it's okay.

>>7071398
that yt lecture is all you need.

holy shit guys start charging this tard rent why do you keep bringing him up instead of drawing

>>7071789
>assmad
projection
everyone in this thread feels sorry for you pawell

>>7072039
because I'm almost certain I'll end up like him, so I want to see if there's any way to avoid that, but I can't just ask in /sqt/ since my question will most likely be ignored, so I'll instead keep making bait threads until someone confirms my biases

kek
why is this still up
pwell you reading this?

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>>7071398
pawell is living proof that vilpoo loomeme brigturd hoghack etc all dont work. He would draw more accurate anatomy and people if he never touched a single textbook. If thesr books work so great why does studying and recreating them 3 houes a day for years not work?

>>7075034
>One retard autist can't get it Vilpuu, Loomis = they are le bad
What a fucking retarded reasoning. There are japanese artists who recommend loomis method. Stop projecting your failure to other.

>>7075034
I didn't read your reply but you should kys

>>7075067
>the rare japanese artist recommending some literal who westerner = japanese people recommending it

Stop projecting your failure to other.

>>7075097
Picrel is Yusuke Murata recommend Loomis.
Cope, dial8 and kys.

>>7075099
>he saved a picture and is still btfo
sad!

>>7075194
>get btfo, still try to get the last word
Vilpuu and Loomis is the filter. You are filtered. Pawell is filtered. You two both are retarded autists with sub room temperature IQ who can't understand the most basic drawing lessons. You are a failure. For you evrey teacher, and courses are begtrap, because you are too dumb for 'em

>>7075207
>actually studying le god material 3 hours daily is filtered!
>you should have studied it 4 hours daily instead!
hush subhuman, insane how you can shill a book when you yourself are shit after finishing it.
>inb4 projecting

>>7075310
>Get btfo
>start coping
Murata is shit? are you actually retarded?
Pawell and you are filtered garbage
Me and Murata are the people who have it, and I will make it with Vilpuu annf Loomis help. Just you wait.

Issue with Pavell is:
He can't feel the forms
He should focus more on simple forms in perspective because these are the most vital building block of a drawing
They are the essence of drawing
Simple forms in perspective
Not anatomy, literally first lesson of Vilppu book with circles and the one with boxes, simple shapes
Without this everything else is futile
If you can't feel the form work on unlocking that ability first, it is the most essential thing for drawing anything, drawing simple forms in perspective and being able to break down objects you see into simple forms
You cannot draw from imagination without this

>>7075319
>ackthaually, I'm a pro artist but no I can't post my work
>btw loomis is still my religion
I accept your concession

>>7075034
>>7075445
pyw

>>7075445
>I accept your concession
Boo hoo. Lmao. The baby is angy! Aww.

>>7075543
>>7075492
>pyw """pro loomcel 'artist' """
>nn--no no you first!
I've already accepted your concession.

>>7075034
he doesnt seem to be actually reading, just copying the drawings, he doesnt even make an attempt to find out what the illustrations are teaching
He basically read on book and tries to apply it to every other book, he was fucking copying perspective books for fucks sake

>>7075620
Are you not supposed to copy perspective books? What happened to le copy bridgemong 8x over?

>>7075635
you're supposed to learn perspective principles, it's literally geometry

>>7075600
You replied to 2 people bitch. You act like me posting my works will change your infantile tantrum. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that you retard get btfo bad. Continue to cope, dial8 and kys.

this thread shows how much of a shithole ic is

>>7075647
Only because of people like Pawell.

>>7075642
you read very upset, you should work on that before you keep worshipping books that dont work

>thread about some literal who fucking beg
>Demoralizing posts
>mass replying faggotry
>disregard for beginner books because one of guy
>ignores the hundreds of other people who became good from the same sources
Amazing to see a thread that manages to be somehow worse than the AI slop spam. You faggots deserve to be replaced.

>>7075310
>thinks he's """"shilling"""" a book that's on public domain
You're absolutey fucking retarded.

>>7075661
But they do work. Just not for your little mobkey brain.

>>7075661
You should draw more before making bait threads. Oh who are we kidding, you don't draw.

>>7075661
>does not work
>example: Pawell - literal rrtard
>work
>exampke: Murata - famous mangaka
It's more about the IQ of the people ehi read the book.

>>7075665
nigga it's literally just one (1) nodraw that keeps mass replying with 0 substance

Just let the thread die really. sag3d

>>7075694
Then the little faggot should be banned. He keeps spamming these low quality threads about some literal who beg, rent fucking free the whole way.

>>7075669
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>>7075672
t. crabbing loomcels, work on your personality first

>>7075676
>just be a japanese art god bro, then loomis works
discord trannies REALLY arent sending their best these days

some people, especially nerdy types, get obsessed with these beginner books, but they are like copying someone else's homework. the example sketches are often shitty and ugly too.
>I didn't go to film school. I went to films
similarly, you should go to art

At this point ive come to realize crabs hate pawell because he saves anons collectively thousands of hours by demonstrating not to waste time using the IC shill catalog

>post people art to crab on them.
What a bunch of low life.

>>7076073
Work on getting better bait. You useless piece of shit.

>>7076085
what resources should I use instead then?

>>7076138
Stop pretending to be different people, its very clear all 3 low iq crabs seething at me were just you

>>7076141
I like him unironically. But i dont want to draw anything like him, I keep up to date with his booklist and avoid anything hes selected or finished.

>>7076146
Post work so I know that you give good advice?

>>7076141
Not sure if you're the artist and I'm not the cumguzzling faggot fucktard OP.
But if you are him or have similar issues with progress, then you should primarily focus on one thing at a time.
Biggest issue is the retention of information reading these books. You shouldn't just mindlessly read and copy every image before moving onto the next book.
Take your time and really think about a single subject you want to learn, one piece at a time.
A great example would be spending the week learning how to construct the head, its proportions at differing angles, using other references along side the books like an ecorche model.
Take the reference away and try to draw the head from memory, this forces memory recall, which is one of the best ways to retain information and actually progress.
After the head move onto other areas of the body with the same methodology in mind.
Feel like your lines are off while constructing? Practice line control as a warmup.
Having issues with rotating heads in sharp angles? Incorporate perspective exercises.

>>7076146
Just neck yourself you retarded fucking faggot. Imagine actually going out of your way to stir shit up the board by these endless bait threads.

>>7076146
You talk a lot of shit about Pawell, you post his work to crab on him to feel better about yourself. Post your work also as a gentlemen.

>>7076146
Anyone who call me a faggot is the same person. STFU you dick sucker.

Pawell is an outlier whose work through books and the 'IC shill catalog' says more about him than the resources he's used.

>>7076154
He won't. He's made similar threads painting targets on literal who begs.
If he was any good, he wouldn't even be in the /beg/ threads in the first place. It's obvious that his skill matches those he associates with.

>>7076156
Shut up crab! Shilling inplicate monetary gain. Learn english before posting. Fucking cum guzzling crab.

>>7071388
he should stick to painting imo

OP is a flaming faggot. More at 11.

>>7076153
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>>7076186
is there a reason people get so defensive over these books? Its worse then when I read bagholder stories from those with gamestop. Literally nobody here has improved after wasting their time going through these books (feel free to PYW) yet they defend it to death

Stockholm mentality

>>7076232
when i was a beg, i held onto a few select books as "bibles". Basically, they were my lifeline, the things that I was SURE was going to make me good. If people attacked these books, either they were wrong, or they were right, in which case, I was wasting my time, and was going to never improve.

I've had enough years now to have matured past that point, but beginners are lost children in a dark forest, and they need somebody they can trust and hold their hand

>>7076232
>Talk shit about Pawell
>post his works to crab on him for days
>don't draw
>get btfo still coping
>evade when asked to post work
Certified faggot. You are worse than Pawell for sure.

>>7076232
>>7076235
Faggot self sucking.

>>7076236
>hey loomchuds feel free to pyw if you're so good
>nn-n-no you first!
Your concession has been long accepted, send someone more intelligent

>>7076237
not him ;)

>>7076238
>>7076239

>>7076245
>everyone that doesnt fall for my crabbing is the same person

>>7076249
>Everyone who disagree with me is the same person
Nah. you are a self sucking faggot. A giga crab too.

>>7076251
immature little baby. who gets this worked up over an internet argument?

>>7076255
>immature little baby
You obviously. Faggot Pawell's crab. The more you post the more cum oozing out of your mouth.

>>7076251
>>7076260
>uhm ackhtually you're the crab
>yes begs make sure to study brigmong 5x over and loomis upside down back to front

>>7076284
What a flaming faggot. Now you just making things up huh. I bet you haven't drawn anything for a year.

>>7076296
Anyone reading this thread can clearly see loomcels cultists are unhinged. Take your meds before other voices start speaking to you

>>7076297
see >>7076245
Nah, you crab should stay on the barrel.

>>7076301
You already agreed with me to not use those crab books, so what exactly are you even seething about?

>>7076232
Ok.
Here's me after working through Bridgman once, just copying the drawings in it. In fact, I haven't even gotten to the hands or legs/feet yet, as you can probably tell.
Drawn on plywood since it's a sketch for a woodcut.

>>7076337
See >>7076236

>>7076351
I already said I like him. Did you get this angry over not reading my first post properly?

>>7076354
>I like him
No you don't. You just want to crab.

>>7075034
>vilpoo loomeme brigturd hoghack etc all dont work
What if I tell you all of their teachings work and it's the student that is the problem? It's gonna be hard if you're lacking in grey matter. I would assume this pawell guy is in the double-digit category.

This horse drinling tea is 365 times better than a Pawell study. 8^)

>>7076360
>>7076356
>le copy bridgeretard twice
>NOO NOT LIKE THAT
this is a shit cope come up with a new one

>>7076393
>get btfo
>still cope

>>7076395
>has no response
>heh you got btfo'd
are the voices encouraging you?

>>7076397
My arguement >>7076360
This >>7076393 is not an arguement
Cope faggot. You are dumb and get filtered at entry level beg material.

>>7076399
I already said before if you want to btfo this thread you could just show the results of your """"""learning"""""""

but your the same as every other loomcuck cultist and are coping with wasting the time on those books ontop of not actually drawing

>>7076400
My arguement is that you are a dumb faggot. You have no reponse for this. PYW to prove that you are a better artist than Pawell. You won't pyw because you don't draw.

>>7076400
Cropping Pawell's work to insult him again. Fucking crab.

>>7076403
Whats your obsession with Pawell? I have no problem with him.

You entered the thread shcizoed the fuck out assuming everyone is one person, slagged off like 6 anons when its clear you're just unhinged, and now dont want to show the results of your learning because.....?

Really bad look for loomcucks

>>7076403
>>7076404
not the anon you were replying to, but what an interesting hill to die on. pawell isn't a great artist by any stretch of the imagination. weird you have such an unnatural fascination with him.

>>7076349
>>7076400
Work posted where are your works?

>>7076405
>>7076406
See >>7076245
Posting other people works to shit on them is a low blow. You embarassed him. You must PYW as a gentelment. Too share his shame.

>>7076408
...so you do think his work is embarrassing...

besides, pawell's the one posting on /ic/ every day, I think he's fine with sharing his work on this board.

>>7076408
but I dont dislike him, theres no beef with him. Are you implying his study methods which have gleaned no results for multiple years is effective practice? Or are you saying other people should do loomis just like pawell did

>>7076409
>>7076410
See >>7076245
You did not "win" any arguement itt. You also evade pyw when challenged >>7076349
You are a No Draw Faggot.

>>7076413
>gets completely btfoed and has no response
>returns back to spamming faggot over and over

Are you trying to make loomcucks look bad? I dont really get it

>>7076413
go to sleep, anon. you're tired

>>7076414
>>7076419
>Evading arguement, posting work
>Samefag
Nah, I win.

>>7076422
You're an 80 iq schizophrenic individual but thats ok. Thank you anon I've capped this thread for future times I interact with loomcuck cultists

>>7076447
>running away like a scared dog
The thread bring out your true colors. A crab that can't handle biginner books LOL.
Also where your works >>7076349 ?

>>7076451
Youve recieved enough punishment, thanks for the caps though

>>7076505
See >>7076245
Also>>7076349 PYW
I have a great time shitting your little thread while drawing Vilpuu figures. I will shit every thread you make little bitch. Simple as. I know who you are. I will haunt you.

Art teacher console wars on this board has completely killed any chances for worthwhile discussion here for good

>>7076569
This thread is not worth reading in the first place. I specifically shit this one because I know this OP. He shat the /beg/ thread multiple time with this topic, so I shat this one. I will shat every thread he make.

>>7076569
This thread is not worth reading in the first place. I specifically shat this one because I know this OP. He shat the /beg/ thread multiple times with these topics. I will shat every thread he make.

>>7075034
>filtered permabeg
poor thing

>>7076232
>claims no one's ever improved from reading these books
>meanwhile your Japanese masters constantly recommends them
>STILL has not posted his work
Absolute faggotry.

Post your fucking work you fatso

>>7071219
I'm done pretending this site is filled with insight.
I can't believe I fell for the "smart people pretending to be retards" meme
Not only are you all retarded, you're schizophrenic

>>7076657
>trace 3d model
>draw box over it after the fact
>claim you drew it and are an artist

so easy to convince manga weebs mangaka actually draw their trash. its kinda sad.

>>7076686
>posts a completely different artist that's already been meme'd to death for tracing
Meanwhile in reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXtpa5xp7I
But please, keep digging your grave deeper you drooling aspie.

>>7076657
>>7076686
These are 2 different people. You faggot get btfo again. You poor thing!
>>7076690
It get desperate anon!

>>7076669
See you tomorrow, faggot.

>>7076657
the only good book here is the Robert Barrett one.

>>7076365
HORSIE

>>7076365
look at em drinl

Any "rule" someone here will tell you to follow, has an opposite rule contradicting it that is just as valid.
>use straight lines
>but also use contours

>draw exactly what you see
>but also you must construct whats inside first

The only actual true advice is to pay attention to FORM and SHAPES. Everything else is an offshoot of that. Perspective is just a way to keep your already good shapes in sync with each other. Values is showing FORM. Lines don't even matter. You can chicken scratch as long as you show the FORM. Composition is how the SHAPES interact and is extremely important. Most books don't tell you this, they make you spend ages learning nonsense like construction and perspective. Those things come after forms and shapes.

>>7076889
Retard.

>>7076931
You mean the same fucking thing that's literally said by Vilppu?
Line control and construction are stepping stones for progress, aimed at the beginner, because just telling them to "FEEL THE FORM" sounds philosophical and isn't easily grasped by people who start out. At the end of the day you're just parroting the same thing he's already taught, in a book you stupidly disregard.

>>7076931
>>7076983
le study vilpoo and brigtard twice!

Feel the f-ACK

>>7077206
See >>7075099 and >>7076657 and >>7076349
Stop posting other people works crab! j24d

>>7077206
>>7075972
>Cherry-pick retard
People in the begthread feel the forms daily. Seem like a (You) problemo!!! :)))))))

>>7077231
>posts someone elses work
seems it didnt work for you

what is even going on in this thread

>>7077251
>assuming
I am one of them :) You seem desperate as always.

>>7077281
nodraw-ism and schizophrenia

>>7077281
OP is a GIGA crab from /beg/thread. He can't handle Vilpuu and Loomis, so he pick an absolute retard-Pawell to "prove" that Vilpuu and Loomis are "begtrap".

OP DON'T DRAW :)

I wish someone told me about Harold Speed instead of loomeme

>>7075034
you need to take your lithium you retarded insane spastic zika nigger baby don't let me find you posting here again im tired of your retardation

>>7077338
See >>7075099 and >>7076686

>>7077504
can you circle where he mentions loomis

>>7077504
Picrel is Proof. He fucking read Loomis.
Wrong pictures sorry
See >>7075099 and >>7076657

>>7077520
Meant for this >>7077512

>>7077527
>>7077529
Ugly :(

>>7077530
like in Alien Storm

>>7077530
move over baby, gimme the keys im gonna tame your LITTLE RED LOVE MACHINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUZyb7YeEYA

>>7077536
>>7077530
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>>7077527
Why did you post these? Are they yours? Are they Pawells? They aren't very good.

>>7078094
Aw man, God damn, all hell broke loose

>>7071219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HL-gGLu8Jo

>>7071219
This nigga needs to take his brush size down by at least half. It's way' harder to draw with any nuance when you're using xbawxhueg line tools like that.

>>7076085
>>7076141
There's literally nothing wrong with any of them. I don't know much about this pawell guy but from the looks of it he's an extremely literalminded grindfag that is completely incapable of seeing the forest for the trees. He's not understanding the concepts and the abstract meaning because he is stuck hard in concrete thinking. I'm no great artist but I learned plenty from Loomis, Vilppu, Bridgman, Hogarth, and etc. just by skimming through and gleaning the concepts that they were trying to teach. Like Loomis, it was pretty easy to get that shaved ball + wedge = head and that I could modify the 3D form to build different shaped heads and stick whatever kind of facial features I wanted onto them constructed out of different 3D volumes. Or constructing the body in proportion in 3D, all I had to do was place rectangles in perspective, divide them into 8 sections, and draw the body parts in the correct places on the grid, and then after some practice and a lot of doodling mannequins I learned to eyeball the proportions. I never, EVER copied, I always created drawings of my own BASED OFF OF the CONCEPT that was being taught at the time.
Construction is the most important fundamental, sorry not sorry desu fampai. Draw your boxes and cylinders and blobs and wireframes and get a sense of perspective ingrained into you on a subconscious level.

>>7078355
nuclear weapon grade cope pretending any of those 'drawings' look remotely human

Begs bitching about begs. The peak of Ouroboros.

>>7078355
is that your work? if so, pawell could really take your advice

>>7078355
Dead on. You'll make it far.

>>7071219
Are you all scared of making bad drawings? The guy has been drawing for like a year what the fuck can you expect honestly. You're all so entitled and your ngmi.

>>7078395
Scared of making this many bad drawings and not learning. To everyone who has ever asked "is this worth it?" or "will this book help me?" this is what the worst case scenario looks like.

>>7071219
Legit question, is there a surefire way to get Pawell to improve line quality/form/gesture quality?

there must be a way to alter the gears in that brain cause he seems to be stuck as far as I can see and it's not due to lack of effort but maybe mindset or challenging beyond the comfort zone? I'm not sure

>>7078485
A few personal critique sessions from someone who knows what they're doing would probably set him straight, it's not his ability that's lacking cause you can see he's done much better work than this before but somewhere along the way he fell into a pit he can't get out of.
I'm sure he can find someone in Czechia to coach him at a reasonable price.

>>7077206
Kek what figures does he study AoT titans?

How do I avoid ending up like the pic in the op? i'm 5 months in muh art journey and not progressing scares me at times especially now because it feels like i've forgotten a lot of stuff out of no where. and yes my goal is anime girls in a white void

>>7080277
Are you an autistic sperg, who dwells on /ic/ for literal years and only grinds pointless copies of beg books with no goal? If your answer is no, you are already have much better chance.
Also try to listen to advice from other people. If you find yourself grinding figures daily for months and they still look abhorent with no improvement whatsoever, try changing your approach to learning.

>>7071313

>>7080277
By doing the David Finch guide and Copying Bridgman Twice

>>7083428
this looks good thanks
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

are there any other roadmaps like this from pro artists? curious how similar their advice will be

>>7080277
Simplify the human figures, otherwise you will get lumpy abominations

Pawell is so dedicated, it's a shame people with more talent and who can think critically are lazier than him. That's one aspect he mogs so many other begs in

>>7083428
That is what pawell does crab

>>7071219
I've been preaching this over and over again on /ic/
drop the drawabox, if you are not even entry level /beg/ and draw some 100 drawings from nature, portraits, still-lives, landscapes.
using drawabox and tracing through layers without the most rudimentary understanding of what you are doing is a recipe for failure but no-ho!
>Loomis! Proko! drawabox!

>>7083833
he doesn't do memory drawings, and he hasn't learnt any anatomy at all

>>7071219
how did pawell start a month before me, spend more time drawing than me and without taking breaks and still wind up not being able to see form. i unlocked that shit in the first 6 months as a 30+ boomer its not even hard

>>7084871
Because Ooh, why you try to put up a front for me?
I'm a spy but on your side, you see?
Slip on into any disguise
I'll still know you, look into my
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxFxl5NjBzc

>>7071219
>krita
Let me guess, another fag who thinks using FOSS is a personality and a lifestyle?

>>7071692
>tfw i'm in a server with both of them
pain

>>7071219
i unironically love this guy's website. it's like outsider art. not gmi, he ALREADY made it.

>>7083996
the blue ones are copies, the green ones are from memory
kinda funny to be memorizing the wrong thing

>>7085015
goes to show that memory drawings are useless if you can't even draw accurately

>>7085509
Indeed, and what is drawing accurately?
How do you develop a good sense of proportions and break out of symbol drawing hell?

>>7085511
>what is drawing accurately?
i meant specifically being able to copy a reference accurately. The only way to learn proportions is to observe them. Just look at what Pawell's figures look like. They're made of playdoh.

I don't know why Pawell can't draw accurately. Maybe it's the bad habits he picked up from Key's to drawing. He should really start over with 3 hour bargue cast drawings. I know he did bargue, but he didn't do it right.

>>7085517
For me it was drawing on the right side of the brain, however he would have to read the text too rather than skip to the juicy exercises.
If you don’t trust the learning process the chances of you benefiting from any resource is slim to none.
You should also have respect for the material, as a student you are a seeker, a beggar, you should be humble in your pursuit for knowledge.
Throw away your pride and read, study the drawings and learn.

>>7071692
his art has always been fine
he's just been an obnoxious cunt

Why do crabs say they can avoid becoming Pawell if they literally copy the same books he does

>>7085790
Pawell is a single, no, singular thing. Like the Holocaust.

>>7085797
Cool it with the antisemetism. Pawell does exist

>>7085519
betty edwards is realyl highly recommended everywhere, from sycra, to ero mangaka in Japan. >>7076657
Her students make progress. I think beginners just give up when they find out they have to make a view finder, but if you can get past that, Betty Edwards makes for a great first book. much better than the squiggles in dodson

>>7085790
Pawell's art is just normal beg stuff that everyone has to suffer through in order to draw nice things. I would not even say he's making slow progress. People just aren't used to seeing someone put literally everything they do up online, so it seems like his progress is slower.

Things would go faster for him, though, if he were to draw what he likes. I heard he wants to make video games, so he should really be making studies of video game artists every single day. Master copies of those guys would improve his work more than copying Loomis or Vilppu. Take the principles from Loomis, then apply it to what you want to draw

>>7085511
>How do you develop a good sense of proportions and break out of symbol drawing hell?
I like Iten's way of showing it vs KTD or Betty
zero fluff, only the techniques
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ0lz7W0CYs

captcha: MORON

>>7085845
Pawel wants to be good enough until he feels he is "allowed to draw for real". He is keeping himself as a hostage. This is why he won't improve. There's no passion. There's no creativity. There is only struggle and hating his own work.

>>7085845
>>7085846
>>7085914
>uhm dont dont what pawell does
>yes actually copy brigmong twice just like pawell

which is it

>>7085999
Just draw (what you want to draw), then fix your mistakes. Don't grind and just grind for years.

>>7085999
study for 1 hour, then draw a finished piece for 6 hours, every day.

Then I must follow in Pawell's Steps.

>>7086514
You're also not improving but at least your base level isn't as horrendous looking as Pawel's

I am definitely gonna have to follow in his footsteps

>>7086752
Draw full bodies
Make them lumpy and barely recognizable as humans

>>7086758
I tried drawing full bodies once

>>7086764
>>7086761
Make them lumpier in an irrational, almost surreal way and give them /beg/ tier shading.

>>7086807
>in an irrational, almost surreal way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8

>>7086807
i understand his pain, he doesn't ffeel like he isn't strong enough to draw pretty girls and must resort to drawing the realistic books first in order to draw them
like that meme image of the old man and the skeleton he must tackle that first in order to draw girls otherwise if it were me i'd just try to draw carmilla here

we're gonna have to keep drawing

>>7086897
Any year now and you're gmi!

>>7085846
THEN THERE’S NO TIME TO WASTE

>>7071219
THE FUCK IS THIS WEIRD 3D SHIT JUST DRAW ANIME LMAO

>>7087955
yes i cried, yes i CRIHIHIHIEEEEDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZfjB5P7RS0

>>7083980

>>7087955
If you wanna draw that first my nigga you gotta draw THIS first
IF YOU WANT TO BE HAPPY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
NEVER MAKE A PRETTY WOMAN YOUR WIFE
SO FOR MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW
GET AN UGLY GIRL TO MARRY YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql4p7ipnFWE

>>7088181

>>7088181
>>7088185

now let's draw Carmilla.

CARMILLA CAN YOU PLEASE SHUT THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOR????

>>7088193
>>7088208
that’s a guy

well whatever nigga we're using this pawell thread to draw Fire Emblem, TEACHER BYLETH.

>>7088211

>>7078355
i think i read it

okay lemme draw real quick.

>>7085790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry04tCx4Bqw

>>7086807
like this

>>7088726
nope, not very pawely

>>7088726
These represent humanoids still, you kind of need the AOT Titan blob disfigured look

>>7088800
>>7088801
i'll need to try harder

>>7088826
Did you even look at Pawel's drawings?

>>7088827
i see 'em

>>7088829
then at least try to imitate his ... uhh "style"

>>7071219
pawell told me my art is bad. is it my time to quit bros...

>>7088835
It’s time for more gains

the gains

>>7088831

>>7089954
You're getting there. But it needs to be full bodies and half-assed shading.

>>7089954
hot

>>7089954
Anon this still looks nice, you're not getting the pawell style

>LunaSoda still better than Pawell
kek

>>7090019
aw dangit

>>7089958
>>7090019

>>7090132
But where's the pawellike shading?

>>7071219
I just hope this Pawell guy is having fun in what he does.

>>7090134

>>7090141
Look closer at Pawel's art, man. Come on. You can do it.

>>7090151
Now we draw Velvet Crowe.

>>7076158
>inplicate
*indicates

I think the real lesson is that you’re either GMI from the start or you’re destined to be a permabeg. There’s no changing your fate with any amount of practice.

>>7091083
this is true, except for when you employ an ultra secret drawing exercise that only a few pros know about, and give out to those who are worthy of being a gmi.

and no, I wont' tell you guys what it is

we gotta keep drawing

>>7090027
>LunaSoda
thanks, now I finally know what this NGMI nigger is called

>>7091083
How hard is it reflecting on mistakes you make and putting in an effort to not repeat them? Its like you fuckers never learned any skill in your life

>>7091790
maybe

>>7091832
Speaking for myself, I can't always tell when I make an artistic "mistake." So that's extremely difficult, actually

>>7091829
As I reminisce, through our. JOYFUL, summer together. The promises we made, all the daily letters.Then, all of a sudden everything seemed to EXPLODE (WOAH). Now, I gaze out my window. Sugar, down a lonesome road.
DISTANT LOVER

>>7091872
90% of the times its a fundies mistake that can be fixed by watching a proko video and learning fundamentals and applying what you learn instead of copying something forcefully
Hard work matters only if you know what the fuck you're doing, but that can be easily remedied by paying an art teacher for a month or joining an art discord and asking nicely from someone who is more skilled than you for advice
You have to swallow your pride and be willing to learn and open to the idea you aren't Michaelangelos reincarnation tho

>>7091954
Just rope already, your shit doodles are turds and you will never make it

>>7091955
>proko

>>7091960
But subu is helping him and he made it, lots of Japanese artists follow him

>>7091960
WHAT HE DO

>>7075034
what pawell fails to do is draw from life. literally all he does is copy studies and reference studies.

>>7091974
uh WHO???

>>7092096
Yo mama

>>7091968
"Wise man points his finger to the moon
The fool points at his finger and laughs"

>>7092364
YO DADDY
THAT NIGGA IN THE ALLEY

>>7092078
and he isn't even good at that. you'd think someone who spent 4 years copying bridgman religiously would at least be able to make pleasing copies
having unfortunately interacted with pawell in real time, it's clear that the underlying cause for his lack of improvement is simply that he's a genuine fucking idiot. just straight up stupid.

>>7092455
NIGGA YOU DUMB

>>7092078
>>7092455
>>7092458
nigga you crazy

>>7071219
Actually, we can force a tube through the horse's esophagus and pump its belly full of water.

>>7092455
So you're saying he's not allowed to git gud...?

>>7092427
>There is more hope for fools than for people who think they are wise.
Proverbs 26:12

>>7092759
>what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away
Doobie Brothers 1978

well Strike It Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpeBeAu9siw

>>7092762
>those who recommend Proko cannot be wise, for they are fools
Glenn Vilppu, 1549

>>7071334
vlippussydestroyer

>>7092759
/beg/ retard OVERESTIMATING own skill level believes he's too advanced to learn from Proko, sad and misguided by crabs, many such cases

>>7091955
Asking the best artists for advice:
lol idk, just draw

>>7093037
JUST DRAW

>>7071219

>>7093391
YOU GOTA PROBLEM WITH ME???

>>7093037
what's the issue

Soon after this Pawell thread is up we're going to the Next one, PAWELL GENERAL.
>>7093527

>>7083980
Couldn't agree more. I never took their advice and I just studied a lot and drew a lot. Now, 10+ years down the road I recognise that I'm better off for it.
I have my own system and I don't need to rely on anyone except myself.
If I want to learn a new subject matter I know exactly how to get there.
I've done it so many times already.

>>7093825
are you sure

>>7090140
Now we just gotta wait for this thread to finish

>>7093657
Pawell must very popular to keep having threads about him, I wonder how he feels about it

>>7093825
not asking this to crab, but pyw? just curious on your progress. I'm a few years into my art path and have had a bumpy road thus far but feel like I'm getting better by drawing from nature and from reference. I've read mainly KTD and Michael Hampton, but I try to adapt their processes in a way that works best for me.

>>7071834
plug walk