/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7079720
i think i need to get serious and make a portfolio but i have no idea how to go about that and what to draw except my gay ass donut steels and waifus

>>7079726
I'm learning drawing solely to draw my gay ass donut steels and waifus

forgive my "construction" and schizo lines. sorry for the resolution as well, this is going to end up being a character sprite. i should have done this on a higher resolution canvas beforehand. next time i'll do this
this is awful. luckily with this type of pose i have more than enough references at all angles possible but i am just incompetent. i'm going to have to find a real construction method one of these days

>>7079730
god this uploaded so shit. here's the png

working on my figure drawings

how's this figure of Eugen Sandow look? I think I got some of the angles a bit off. Also I kind of didn't know how to detail the muscles on the legs.

Drawing muscular people feels almost easier sometimes cause there's more short curves and I find those short curves easier than longer ones. Does anyone else find this?

Today's pose. How good are you at drawing shoulder muscles and eye-balling symmetry?

>>7079745
Damn the most difficult pose of all, the one we cannot see

Today's pose. How good are you at drawing shoulder muscles and eye-balling symmetry?

>>7079746
Let me correct my mistakes in peace!

>>7079747
There weren't many drawings of the last thread's pose, were there?

Just two IIRC

>>7079747

>>7079749
There's no pressure in doing them, just a fun little side thing if anyone feels up to it.
I'll do collages of everyone's attempts again if people like those or if that's the reason why they do them, I just got lazy.
>>7079752
Careful, it'll poke your eye out.

>>7079747
I wonder what that guy's cycle is. Clenbuterol for fat loss as part of it I think? Doesn't seem too huge so probably not a ton of test.

babby's first look-draw contour attempt
im goin to bed

>>7079747
whys he got a vagina

>>7079742
you are symbol drawing

Funny, I’ve seen a few people drawing baseball stuff today. Was trying to do imagine some poses

>>7079760
That's a tralala you fooking blind dingus.

>>7079757
I fucked it

>>7079145

>>7079747

>>7079757

Aight

>>7079206
>Solved this guy's problem with an extremely simple spoonfed redline
>no response not even a fuck you
>He responded to other retards who were as wrong as he was
I'm never helping anyone again here

>>7079839
Cry about it bro

>>7079839
it's a strictly less useful reply than >>7078994 , which explains how the second vp should move with reference to the station point

>>7079769
What's the solution?

>>7079848
read keys
simplify
don't think of them as human but as groups of shape and value
this is why figure drawing is done in person not digitally

>>7079852
I did the Proko course and I drew the cylinders and other shapes for mannequinization for this though. I try to think of things as slightly deformed cylinders and other shapes but there's still some fuckery here and there

>>7079859
woah

>>7079747

>>7079753
I crave the validation of making it into the collage.

do you think Pawell will ever realize he is wasting his time? the delusion is deeply set in

>>7079873
time spend itself no matter what you do.
what you do is similarly pointless berceuse no matter what it is you will die anyway.

>>7079869
Is it good habit to trace key points of the figure over the figure itself, than draw the figure off those points?

I keep seeing here about how tracing a figure is bad.

>>7079877
it's much better than nothing
it's worse than trying to figure it out by observing carefully and training your eye

>>7079757
What the fuck is contour drawing.
Also, I think you need to tilt the face more in your drawing.
The issue with my drawing upon a further look is that the top of his face is not angled in towards the bottom half enough and his lips are not juicy enough.

>>7079877
just do both, a trace to familiarize yourself with the landmarks and a separate sketch from reference

>>7079877
I am still new to art as a serious hobby. I’m just posting my works for critique.

>>7079880
Focus more on creating an accurate drawing the first time around without the use of a construction/trace/skeleton?

>>7079885
you can do both, use 2d observations to place and proportion your 3d volumes
refer to the chapter in pic related

>>7079747
I did the head too wide but overall I like the result

Man the far back foot was difficult, the foreshortening and angle was hard to get

>>7079747
ballsack lookin head

Any beg Anons opinions on Drawabox? Been thinking of trying it out after I finish keys to drawing.

>>7079918
Low opinion. Draw instead. Read perspective made easy on the side.

I don't have to practice hard, because I am special, unique and artsy.

>>7079877
So im not autistic for doing shit like this ?

>>7080000
What's supposed to be autistic about this?

Hello trying at perspective again beg here again

Thank you very much anons for giving the advice and corrections last thread.


Am I understanding the concept now?

1 - Any set of axis meeting at a VP on the same horizon line = placed correctly on the 'plane'
2 - Two of the points should meet at a VP, but only one of them needs to reach the horizon line exactly to maintain the illusion (The second can be sloppy)
3 - This is an entry to 2 point perspective


The book doesnt really explain this image any further, rather it moves onto its next principles.
Am I missing anything this lesson was trying to teach?

I'm that guy who wanted to draw emo art a little while back, I posted a traced version of pic related where I had done so free-hand while it was upside down.
Anyway, I just got my drawing tablet today, it's an old Wacom Intuos 3, managed to get that dirt cheap. It felt amazing to use at first, it's my first tablet, but then I decided to redo the exercise with the same image and it feels immensely harder than doing it with a pencil. Was this an incredibly stupid idea and should I have just stuck to pencil and paper for a while more?
And also, what other lineart would be good for me to practice with? A lot of the pics that I like the style of have a lot of color or detail.

>>7080045
that's normal, it just takes some time to get used to it

I will not draw. Not because of laziness, I just find certain failure more comfortable than the uncertainity of trying.

>>7080048
Ok

>>7080048
So then you are going to be dissatisfied that you could try and work on your skill but you didn't because you were afraid ?

>>7080045
I feel like you should use inking brushes and color markers if you can find them.

>>7080016
>Two of the points should meet at a VP, but only one of them needs to reach the horizon line exactly to maintain the illusion (The second can be sloppy)
not sure what you mean by this

>>7080016
VP doesn't have to be on horizont it can be wherever even out of the picture.

It’s a new month for me to not draw!

>>7080048
>>7080062
Y R U on /ic/ then?

Decided to take a break from figures and faces and try drawing explosions

I've drew them with the line tool but not on a tablet before

Any feedback? I think I didn't keep this close enough to a circular shape.

Also not sure on that bit on the middle if I should toss it out or keep it.

>>7079747
Gonna skip that one desu, he looks kinda gross and ballsacky

>>7079881
>What the fuck is contour drawing.
meant blind contour, my bad

>>7079747
Fuck this faggot artsy shit.
This is today's ethot.

>>7080060
Do you mean the second VP?
Only 1 being on the horizon matters right to maintain the perspective

>>7080055
first VP creates the perspective of the cube, the 2nd makes it fit into the scene better but even without being fully accurate like the first it still looks correct

>>7080109
here you can see both are offset out of bounds and horizont line is in middle.

>>7079990
Pyw

Is this passable gesture for a beg?

>>7080128
I thought that was a Queen of Spades tattoo and went wtf at first

But yeah that's fine for a gesture

>>7080109
that's incorrect, if the 2nd is way off it will no longer look like it's on the ground plane
BUT it is true that you have a larger margin of error for vps that are further from the object

>>7080096
>Look her up
>Doesn't show nipples
Zero worth.

>>7080142
Exactly if you are whore at least do it properly.

>>7080128
yep, keep it up anon!

>>7080096

>>7080143
>>7080142
>>7080096
>Search her up in erome
>Immediately find her weird blurred huge pizzaplate nipples
At least try.

>>7080151
No i refuse, she is already stucked in my mind as impromptu whore and she will forever be.

If you want to change this ask this guy >>7080142
He is fully responsible.

>>7080151
>blurred
Zero worth.

>>7080154
Hey, I'm sorry. Nipples mean a lot to me

>>7080156
No no no no no... you don't understand i don't have free will and free thinking this guy >>7080142
here is responsible okay ? Im just a nigger that picks cotton for him and defend him in online discussions that's why he bought me.

>>7080016
Your ref is in 3-point perspective with a consistent FoV and eye level. You should just continue on in the book

>>7079747
I really need to learn anatomy of these muscles

>>7080187
Now.... do the thing.
Paint him black.

>>7080128
Yup I can see the flow ther.

>>7080188
no he is white in my mind

>>7080196
DO IT
LET THE ONIONS FLOW TROUGH YOU

DO IT
DRAW THE NIGGER

>>7080199
Can't believe I got tricked into drawing a negro today

>>7080151
>>7080142
She has a fine nipple ratio for having natural E cups, obviously they wont age well, but thems the breaks. it's her elbows that are too pointy, that's the issue

>>7080210
Perfect.
10 out of 10 even.
You can now officially post on twitter and expect to get at least 10,000 followers.

>>7080155
Lmao

>>7080210
Now seriously good job on shading tho.

What is the difference between int and beg

how is it ?

>>7080217
Look at the OP

>>7080228
use ref

>>7080230
both are beg

>>7080232
But one is /beg/ger

>>7080231
used it, but it seems that i need to practice more

tried using multiple pencils (bottom) instead of just the one soft one I'm used to
it made an even more awful mess than the usual sketches

Does this count as chickenscratching? When I try to draw a sphere or circle and usually fuck up the first stroke around, I then do semicircle lines on the half I fucked up on, until I get the circle I’m looking for, then draw the circle I was actually imagining, guiding out of the different lines and then erasing the incomplete ones later.

I know I’m not drawing the full line everytime, it just makes it easier to draw the spheres for heads and balls of stuff.

>>7080242
Why did you do my boy griffith like that..

>>7080242
I respect you're going for Miura, but can you actually construct anything, or is this all just copying with your eyes?

>>7080244
Do your circles however you see fit.

>>7080242
nigga looking like those wide eyed zoomer abominations

>>7080252
I'll put down a sailboat-egg head shape then just rush through an eyeballed copy while trying not to look at the page I'm drawing on too much (not a very good method)

>>7080242
Looks soulful and appealing, the only glaring problems are bad anatomy of the eye socket and brow ridge. Study the head construction methods and skull shape and you'll get massive gains.

awful attempt at two frame animation. i dont even know what kind of movement this is supposed to be or if i'm keeping it on model at all

>>7080131
>>7080145
>>7080189
Thats reassuring, I though it looks atrocious, even ignoring all the inaccuracies. I'll keep grinding

>>7080278
any sources for construction you'd recommend?
I worked through most of one beginner book (Eviston). otherwise it's been all manga copying.

>>7080300
The usual - Loomis Drawin Head and Hands and Proko's vids on Loomis method
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSM

Attempt at copying David finch's batman drawing
It went horrible

it recently clicked in my head how to draw in more extreme perspective, this was the first "real" drawing, working on some others

>inb4 4chan formating rotates the image

>>7079747
tried to make it female

>>7080370
trace and draw the skeleton first

>>7079742
Use gesture

>>7080228
Any attempt is better than no attempt
>>7080314
You are not seeing the forms. Study is only useful if you see the forms

>>7080386
What does seeing the forms mean? How would his drawing look different if he was seeing the forms? Could you illustrate?

>>7079781
Thanks for the redraw anon. I really like how you made her hair look. Now I want to know how to portray it that way.
>>7079720
>My shittty cropped fetish art made it to the OP
NO!

drawing anime instead of figure studies, forgive me vilppu

>>7080326
pretty good, anon! mind sharing what the specific hurdle was for you and how you overcame it with the class?

>>7080386
Did that guy steal my shirt?

>>7079742
>>7079747
>>7079757
>>7080128
nice refs

>>7080449
i cleared that weird hurdle where even when you understand the whole rotating boxes thing, your brain still has a hard time rotating the parts of the human body and how perspective will contort it beyond what i normally drew in bog standard 2d

>pic related
is what i drew before

>>7080386
>Use gesture
I did draw it out like the Proko guide but I think I made everything too stiff

What are some keys to smooth gestures instead of stiff ones?

>>7080447
is this a male

>>7080203
nice work anonymous user, if you had a full art book of this style i would buy it

>>7080471
Do more loomis heads, and maybe a proko vid on eyes, nose, lips. Your proportions look fine, but that head is really bad. I get the felling you could draw landscape or backgrounds well. Keep the grind up anon

Pawell, why do you not try traditional art? It would much rather fit the kind of drawings you would do and it would be something entirely different in itself to experience.

>>7080471
thanks for sharing, anon. you're already showing a lot of improvement!

>>7080264
thats an honest work of drawing. Now how you proceed is you start reading the book Keys to drawing

been working on figure drawing

I find old timey bodybuilders or strongmen in the pre-steroid era to be the most aesthetic in form. Anyone else feel this way? The steroid look that's really common now is kind of nasty looking.

based on real events

>>7080485
who knows

I didn't do shit this week

Sup beg, the more i draw the more i feel i am truly a permabeg. its over

>>7080572
that fishnet contour lines are utterly wrong, but i still give it thumbs up
>>7080570
depends on what kind of steroid abuse we talk about. the people who roid for actual sport or strength looks very aesthetical. the body builders who roid only for mass are a walking joke
>>7080561
i already tried out pencil and ink (check 328). changing medium doesnt solve problems i am facing. honestly only prebegs blame the medium for their problems. my problem is located between canvas and my chair
>>7080459
i kneel
>>7080326
nice ass + pls share your gains
>>7080314
idk looks fine to me, very batman like
>>7080244
instead of erasing learn to make the lines lightly. once you are happy simply finalize the line with confident stroke (consider using fine liner / ink for that)
>>7080073
draw dark blue petals around it and you got a flower
>>7079873
i am pretty sure i am inefficient with this. the big question is what to do instead? most people literally said: JUST DRAW (but not like you are doing now)
>>7079839
welcome to the internet: low effort shitposts gets all the fame while carefully crafted responses get TLDRed. Negative feedback loop, making internet shittier as time goes: only trolls remains
>>7079790
utterly and completely flat
>>7079726
i was always under impression portfolio is just gallery where you put your BESTEST work and conveniently hide all failures

>>7080572
why did you rape your student you disgusting jew homosexual

lowered from 2 to 1min gestures to try and force myself to not just do normal outline sketches
they obviously look like shit but something still felt productive about it and it was more fun than spending 10 minutes setting up box constructions only to also get those wrong

>>7080581
>utterly and completely flat
I can't into shading, don't know what to tell you.

>>7080597
find any basic shading guide and learn
or copy shading from your reference

>>7080599
The shading on the reference was really mild and subtle and I actually did a bit of shading on the sketch that I neglected to translate over into the inked and colored version, so it's my bad either way. But if I tried to add any shading of my own, it would have made things worse to be honest. I've been "serious" on and off about drawing since 2018 but I've never been able to figure out shading despite reading guides and watching videos. I don't know where to put it or how to put it in without it looking like shit.

Drawing men is much harder than drawing women.

today's sketch.

>>7080096
i think i gave her down syndrome or something

>>7079790
this is your brain on vtumors

drawing a big guy mixing different cultures/refs

>>7080646
this almost feels like that morrowind kirkbride art

>>7080640
here this one's for you

>>7080646
>big guy
thats a twink

Am I supposed to draw from reference or imagination? Is drawing from reference cheating if I'm actually passing something off as my own? Like if I published a manga would it be wrong if I drew my poses from reference?

>>7080646
I like this. I'm saving this image.

>>7080656
every artist you see the work of online used a reference, some are just more obvious than others
some people think its cheating but it doesnt really matter, some people think tracing is cheating, the color picker is cheating, references are cheating, photography is cheating, digital is cheating, etc but fuck em.

>>7080656
You're an idiot

>>7080581
>draw dark blue petals around it and you got a flower
huh yeah

I did this with the line tool and mouse some time ago

Unfortunately I can't recall the exact process I did it with. It looks a little mechanical and sterile, I wanted to try to drawing just the inner explosion on a tablet.

>>7080656
draw only what god shows you in your dreams

>>7080661
I'm not an idiot I'm just ignorant. There's a difference.

>>7080660
I get for practice but for commercial works and poses?

>>7080656
>Like if I published a manga would it be wrong if I drew my poses from reference?
Most poses, if you are at the level of a regular mangaka, are faster to draw from imagination.

>>7080664
For commercial art its even "worse". Basically every client will straight up show you images you need to copy or take reference from. They dont give a shit how you do it either, they just want it to be good, and fit their vision. Only in personal work you really get a say in whether you get to play with not using references constantly

>>7080656
use reference

>>7080664
>for commercial works and poses?
yes, every succesful artist is using references to speed up their time and because people dont just spawn into the world knowing how to draw fighter planes/armor/whatever and we need to see it to draw it until it becomes second nature and you can do it from memory if you need to

>>7080646
>big guy
otter mode at best.

>>7080664
There is no "correct" way to draw. Do whatever the fuck you want.
Q Hayashida, author of Dorohodoro, has drawers full of sneakers she would use for reference.
Araki has redrawn fucktons of poses from fashion magazines.
Yoshikazu, author of Tsugumomo (pic related), uses 3d models for figures and backgrounds. He is very very skilled and also draws on trad without crutches like this but he says it saves him tons of hours for his very heavy release speed.
Do whatever the fuck you want, don't ever think your way of drawing is "incorrect".
Experiment, learn, attempt more things but don't think there is a single "correct" way of drawing.

>>7080610
post tits

I'm learning drawing and japanese at the same time. I have unlocked the ultimate secret to learning to draw. Now I only need japanese stems cells to be injected daily into my buttcheeks and I will be complete.

https://youtu.be/nGy9uomagO4

>>7080527
will do on the head exercises, tryna work on more interesting "face shapes"

>>7080581
>pic related
was my first fineliner drawing (i had drawn for a while previously in school, etc) it was around the start of covid

>>7080751
and this is my last "big (A4) drawing

>>7080660
>every artist you see the work of online used a reference
False

>>7080756
My bad I just meant the good artists

>>7080656
Nope, reference is a tool. Whether you use it or not is up to you

>>7080751
>>7080753
Yeah you clearly have a lot of potential man, keep it up.

>>7080787
I spent 3 mins to decipher bottom right picture. I like the beefy robot but wtf are those titties.

>>7080793
Detachable to feel the form

Still trying to figure out proportions and form. t

>>7079757
Cool ref.

>tfw I have the potential to become a turd polisher
holy shit.

How do I get good at drawing? I'm left handed, have perpetually shaky hands, ADHD, autism and a learning disability. 24.

I've wanted to get good at art since I was a teen but I've lacked the motivations, resources and teachings to get started.

I don't know
>which brush size to use
>optimal size to draw digitally
>good pressure curve to start out with
>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
I legitimately don't even know how to do sketch lines. My coordination is so fucked thanks to my autism, I can barely even sketch without even the most basic lines fucking up. I can't visually imagine stuff in my head when I'm actually drawing, and my ADHD just wants me to finish as soon as possible. I can barely decide on something as basic as what model to use when trying to sketch a head.

i'll embrace coom art from now on

>>7079747

I had a lot of fun doing this one, thanks.

>>7080821
>which brush size to use
>optimal size to draw digitally
>good pressure curve to start out with
>how to find a comfortable pressure curve
Use pencil and paper when studying. Learning complete beginner stuff like line control on digital is very counterproductive.

>how to undo bad habits like drawing stiff figures
That's not a bad habit - that's incompetence. Study gesture. Try Vilppu and Proko.

>how to fix shitty lines you're too used to drawing
>how to get better when you're experienced but /beg/
What.

>I legitimately don't even know how to do sketch lines
Hold pencil loosely. Apply low pressure on the paper. Also applies to stylus.

Line control: Peter Han's dynamic sketching videos/exercises
Gesture: Videos by Vilppu, Stan Prokopenko (proko)
Intro to drawing (observational drawing): Keys to drawing book, by Bert Dodson

>>7079747

I had a lot of fun doing this one, thanks.

>>7080823
toooooooooooooooooold you so

>>7080821
>autism messing up your lines
>adhd wants quick results
the real nigga cheat code for this is to skip over anyone that tells you you have to draw using a pencil and lines, you will get quick results with no lines if you learn other mediums insead like charcoal/painting/watercolor

>>7080823
Left better but I can't cum on it. Too bad for you

I keep catching myself involuntarily making the facial expression that I'm drawing. Like if I draw a smiling character I smile in the same way.

>>7076291
Thanks a lot for your redline anon. You helped me realize how flat and hard the sweater looked and I looked up more refs in a futile attempt to fix it up.
Here is how I am fucking it up even worse.

>>7080091
nah bro its fine, it was a genuine question. I googled it and realise now what your original drawing was going for.

>>7080823
>x45 multiplier
I'd do it too

>>7080870
bro.....

>>7080909
I know it is horrible. No need to rub it in.

i didn’t draw this week!

begging for someone to help me out with my perspective here. I drew a sketch just winging it but I have no idea how to make it actually work

>>7080925
cant really tell what it is, just keep your lineweight making sense and it should be fine

sketchbook dailies

So what are fundies and how will help me stop being /beg/?

>>7080967
Cubes, cylinders, perspective, anatomy. That sort of thing.

>>7080958
I love the clean lines like this...

Hm, I don't really know how to do landscapes.

>>7080971
And what is the difference between nonfudies art and fundies art?

>>7080974
There are books that teach you to draw landscapes.

>>7080978
Hm, what books are these, anon?

>>7080979
My penis.

>>7080975
What a fucking retarded question.

>>7080980
Nice

>>7080981
Anon, I was just told my art is irreedemable on every level and should try drawing a cardboard box from life before even attempting to colour. I am that fucking retarded.
I have been doing it wrong all this time.

>>7080984
Nah ban that guy, he's an OP bro.
If you got a favorite artist or an artstyle you wanna match just do some good effort to copy things you see constantly. If you want to draw characters, doing stuff, draw characters in standalone poses and in scenes involving perspective. If you do that everyday from life, photo ref, or illustration ref, then you'll get there. Problem with art is that its actually 95 percent application and 5 percent conceptual knowledge, so simply absorbing technical knowledge with no application gets mogged by retards with no technical knowledge brute force practicing.

>>7080986
I have to start from the very beginning. I feel destroyed.

>>7080987
Welcome to the club my BROTHA
how long have u been drawing for uwu?

>>7080984
Abandon all fundamentals except for color and light, become a PAINT GOD rather than a drawfag, look up james gurney on youtube

>>7080974
You too lil chicklet, look up james gurney, grab a reference image, and paint it NOW

>>7080989
I decided I wanted to draw in december 2020 but just started doing it """""""seriously""""""""""" in december 2022. My tracker says around 1200 hours logged.
May as well be a fucking beginner. Better than being fucking wrong.
>>7080990
But I want to sketch

>>7080994
I've been drawing for 8 years since 2016 digitally, only took it "seriously" around 2017 or 2018 so about 6.5 years. I'm still dogshit at everything drawing related, especially perspective. I can kinda render, but have shitty composition and bullshit lighting, dont count yourself out just yet lad

>>7080994
>But I want to sketch
Learning to paint passively improves your drawing ability on the side way more painlessly and fun than grinding fundamentals does

>>7080996
Might give it a try. Can't get worse, hopefully.
>>7080995
I refuse to believe you are worse than me. Surely you must be one of those skilled artists who despise their great skill level.

Decided to try an explosion based off a drawing guide someone made

Added some blur and distortion to make it look more dynamic

How's it look? Okay? Explosion-y enough?

>>7080581
Do you construct your figures before drawing? Like drawing where the pelvis and ribcage should go? Even if you are following a ref that will help them look less lumpy.

>>7080712
Sorry, i only draw SFW, and im male irl, Mariel is just the name of the character i use in games.

>>7080610
You performance is a result of the work and experiences you've put in up until this moment. Men/women aren't harder to draw, you're just used to the comfort zone. If you continue to draw more men or if you hypothetically had a count of all the women you drew over the last few years and drew as many men I can guarantee you'd get better, honestly it might take less tries cause the fundamentals of drawing one apply to the other.

Keep at it anon

>>7080975
1:Shape/Line
2:Perspective
3:Lighting/values/color
4:Anatomy/mechanical understanding of the subject

Just focus on 1 fundamental, try creating shapes, then 3d shapes, then copying basic forms of photos, starting with contours, You should be able to put down the lines/shapes accurately as you see them, this will allow you to do what you want as you envision or feel is correct once you break away from the rules but first you have to learn them.

>>7080823
Why you posting on facebook? Is it even good for traction?

>>7081045
this reminds me so much of Phantagrafix

how do i shade?

>>7081054
really.

>>7081062
David Wolfe, Phantagrafix, Paranoia High

>>7081054
I like how consistent and poised his figures are within the panel, but for scenarios I like Sandra Bell-Lundy or Lynn Johnston.

>>7081068
>Sandra Bell-Lundy or Lynn Johnston.
didn't know them until now. i like this calm, controlled classic style

>>7081069
Really? I just discovered Between Friends during the pandemic, but sort of avoided FBOFW, buying Zits books instead. Between Friends is elegant and often wordlessly interesting, whereas FBOFW is closer to being grand commentary, with a large cast of characters.
https://comicskingdom.com/between-friends/2024-02-22

>>7081045
i like this

>>7081082
>>7081078
>>7081066
I can't find much on David Wolfe anymore, but I love his style. he also drew a lot pinup girls.

https://www.comicartfans.com/searchresult.asp?txtsearch=David%20Wolfe

https://www.toonsup.com/de/user/Phantagrafix.html

>>7081082
Everybody likes Archie house style.

i can't figure out this pose and Idk how to describe it to google to find a reference I haven't found what I'm looking for

>>7081107
"woman sitting with her legs crossed, one arm resting on her knee" ???
looking at the outlines, i think you haven't figured out basic anatomy. it would help you to think about the bone structure.

>>7081107
alone on a Friday night?

Do you guys have any advice for drawing an eye shape in 3/4 view?

I feel like I draw them head on fine but when I try to rotate them they look weird.

It's strange cause I was able to draw eyes starting off in a 3/4 view with other stuff, but when I start off in front view and try to rotate it, it fucks up in my head.

>>7080996
>>7080990
Post work so people can see how effective your methods are.

>>7081128
Depending on how seriously you are taking art, you can either look at anime references and copy them or look at eye structure pics and learn how they work so you can depict them in different angles and apply your own style.

>>7080841
>>7080847
>>7080899
:(
>>7081037
fb is kinda popular here in some parts of asia so there's art groups to share my works. it kinda works for me because i have small follower count.

bit claustro on this page. fixed the hair later but it's just a sketch

>>7081120
yeah idk man I just want a pose similar to this but with legs crossed.. it's a weird angle idgi. I just need a pose roughly good enough so I can play with vectors in illustrator and drag things around till they make sense

>>7081146
don't buy anything from her
her potions are weak they can't even kill a child let alone a man

>>7081120
like I can't visualize things either, i.e. when I try to picture something I don't see anything I just know I'm thinking about it, so without a ref of exactly what I want idk how to draw it

>>7081146
>>7081151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9l_XYNYczI

I'm getting filtered by fucking Loomis aaaaghhh.
Hopefully it'll get easier if i just stick to it.

Is Hogarth's dynamic anatomy a good book to check out if i aim to draw stuff like picrel?

>>7081178
if you're asking this type of questions, you're probably better off with more beginner-friendly materials

>>7081181
True.

>>7081153
Same. What I found as a workaround is basically making a huge spaghetti monster of roughly the shape I want and then iteratively carving out figures. Results are... decent.

Tried drawing my table from life. 8B pencil not the best for this purpose

Drawing the cuboid first within which to "put the table" seems to help.

Also I run out of space so quickly. I can't imagine how some people draw 20-30 little gesture figures on the same sheet of paper.

>>7080821
FUCK OFF CHRIS

I think this is my new favorite and I might leave it like this. any feedback?

also, how long is "too long" for a piece? any rule of thumb? I think I have put about 15-20 hours into this one between actual drawing, references and some research into composition, and I have learned a ton, but I keep things I can upgrade and I don't know if it's reaching the point of being counterproductive and frustrating

>>7079747
eh

>>7080996
It’s true, some things can’t be understood until you work with subtle things like edges and small value variations within the midtones and darks.
Your sensibility improves as you juggle more complex problems

learning these proko-loomis ball heads is...
kind of fucking miserable?

>>7081270
lol I went looking around at how-to's on sadpanda and the first one I found seems to use loomis for heads
guess it's inescapable

>>7081300
there's not that many ways to construct a head so just buckle down and DRAW

>>7080607
>i am blind therefore I cannot draw from the reference
The amount of excuses you permabegs use is astonishing at times.

Do you see it now?

>>7081270
its a crutch for knowing actual head anatomy and proportions
It's not even a good crutch though

>>7081270
3/4 view gets me FUCKED up desu

>>7081311
the only other head-drawing instructional I know is this 3-hour video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
but damn, it's three hours. and anons might just say to learn Loomis after anyways.

Thoughts on this? It’s supposed to be Kim Pine Pulling her skirt up

>>7081321
simple yet characteristic for life

>>7081321
fuck the tutorials nigga learn how the head actually looks like, learn what connect to what at what angle and and the sizes and function of everything, do you think you can draw a great head without knowing this shit? Without knowing how a head actually looks like inch by inch?

>>7081328
great artists get together and talk about art all the time, what's wrong with watching a lecture?

>>7081270
just bruteforce me this shit. Put on some music and just copy 30 angles for each 3D model, starting with the most basic angles!
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/loomis-head-with-cheekbones-5a4036b26f9342db89b1279ec29a1983
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/skull-proportions-key-landmarks-20c0f43e3778481c830978709d784681
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/basic-head-structure-f4a7ae95d10c490a9a2428e6243ac06a
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/planes-of-the-eye-e7a6bb55c12d4de8a76b38c1787a76c7
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/human-mouth-reference-916a3bee8ee84702a77070f7cbb6906c
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/main-shapes-muscles-of-the-neck-d3f34f219df84271aacfbeb93782f11a

>>7081344
you're watching snake oil being peddled

>>7081328
>fuck the tutorials nigga
pyw, if you're good I'll listen to you

>>7081353
leave the thread you fucking spaz

>>7081353
right, you'd never want to gain any knowledge form master artists or teachers.

>>7081270
it's one of the easiest breakdowns to understand proportion/construction
if you can't do that, other options (which usually add complexity/anatomy) will be even worse

>>7081359
you want to gain knowledge from artists but not from teachers, find a master who will tutor you dont listen to professional teachers
Those that can't do... finish it for me

>look up drawing guide
>see this shit
Why the hell is this guy giving advice?

>>7081370
steve is a world renowned artist and teacher, but anyway, glhf

>>7081372
none of the artists you want to draw like ever learned from him

>>7081370
What a retarded fucking take. Holy shit.
And of course no art posted

/asg/ is two pages down pal

>>7081370
You completely miss the point of what that saying means lmao.
Don't take football advice from Bill Belichick because he wasn't a good player!!!

>>7081107
should have learning to draw from imagination

>>7081107
as a starting point, which you can then modify

>>7079720

After months of not touching a pencil I'm surprised it somewhat resembles the character at all


thanks teach, you may not be real but you did me a solid
here we go again

>>7081234
soulful but fundie-less
try drawing the horizon line, and a rough perspective grid of the ground planes
you'll see that the perspective of most elements in the picture make no sense

>>7081310
I put it in the sketch like I said.

leg anatomy from memory, gonna study more in perspective after my last failed drawing

>>7081467
this is how you get artists like rampage

>>7080974
thanks doc

>>7081470
idk who you're talking about, is he bad?

>>7079720

>>7081480
get off of /ic/ you're too good

>>7081431
>nice sketch, anon. only thing I would change is the stomache and back. it looks like one long, straight tube
>b-b-b-but ...

>>7081481
based permabeg god

>>7081439
aw fuck, I think I see it now. kind of like this? should I try to draw the planes and horizon first for scenes with backgrounds like these? I'm not used to doing them, trying to break the "anime girl in the void" habit

I just remembered a cool trick, and I don't know where else to post it. Here's how you can can color dodge anything evenly. Preventing it from blowing out.

In photoshop, create an invert layer. Then se the invert layer to the color doge blend mode. This should turn everything white.(or *almost*, everything. I'll explain later) I forget how the math works out, since I crunched the numbers years ago. But what it's basically doing, is it's finding the the difference between the lower layer color and white, and then adding *exactly* that amount to reach white, and nothing more.

Now you can control this by adjusting the fill of the layer. And you'll see how it gets that sort of bloomy color dodge look, without blowing out the colors.

If you actually want to paint to pain with it, then create a new normal layer. Fill it black, create a layer mask, but leave the mask white. Then clip this layer to the invert layer. Now, when you paint on the mask with black, it reveals the effect of the invert properly, only where you brushed. With this, you can at very vivid highlights to just about anything.

There is a drawback to this though. The properties of color dodge don't really gel well with fully saturated colors. for example, if you have a color like #3CD400, then color dodge can't move that 00. It will remain 00, no matter how intense the effect is applied. So all three RBG channels have to be at the very least 01. Color dodge can take 01 to white... Buuuut, it still won't blend very good. Even if the colors are near to 00, you will get some crunchy results. In order to avoid pixelation and noticeable banding, then RGB should at minimum have 08, if not a full 10 just to be safe.

Other than that drawback, you still get really pretty results. It maintains a strong saturation, and it hue shifts a reasonable amount, without looking blown out. Try it out.

>>7081431

god this is so rough. going too far off model also just bad proportions on third frame especially. expecting to get even worse when i try to animate a swinging action. or really any other action. its over

>>7081129
sure, here's my timeline from one of the post your progress threads where everyone was seething at pewdiepie being able to draw anime heads after a few months

keys to drawing is kinda fun

>>7080242
another Griffith, but with a little construction this time.
looking any better?

>>7081498
nice
>>7081488
some artists do a rough thumbnail to work out the composition, then they figure out the perspective, and then they do the actual drawing

>>7079720
First time

>>7081431
an attempt was made

did some studying today and just sketching after
>>7081146
sovlful

>>7081517
it's an attempt alright.
you need an irl teacher. go to artclass.
one thing to drop immediately is drawing every line 5-10 times over the first one. it looks like ass. people here call it "line confidence". make one swift line, if it's shit, ctrl-z
you try to use boxes, but with zero knowledge of anatomy and not even TRYING to measure with them, they make NO sense.

Why do I always fuck up the right side of my cubes

>>7081498
>>7081480
just share that awesome brush preset with us uwu'
it's making me coooom

90% of you aren't intermediate or beginner and are just here to stroke your ego

>>7081553
>90% of you aren't intermediate or beginner
You're implying most are advanced? Point them out.

>>7081558
>>7081499
>>7081480
>>7081467
>>7081239
>>7081040

>>7081553
are you the guy that posts once per thread seething that intermediate level people post here rather than 100% prebegs only

>>7081563
When actual beginners post here, we get shit on or ignored
It's just a circle jerk general

>>7081551
I think this image came out mirrored btw

>>7081561
>>7081499 (You)
i'd say i'm still int. i still need to look at several references from different angles and check my proportions a lot before something looks right

>>7081565
you can scroll through any /beg/ thread including this one and see thats not true at all kek, intermediate work gets ignored while obviously beginner tier stuff gets replies, not saying thats bad just saying you seethe at intermediates for no reason and should probably draw more

>>7079770
this is my kinda shit right there. :3

>>7079781
>>7079785
>>7079788
>>7079859
>>7080145
>>7080203
>>7081480
>>7081498
love your style, but you're making all the /beg/ and /int/ feel like shit

>>7081574
please get your life together

>>7081574
his posts don't make me feel like shit, if anything they make me want to try harder

>>7081575
(You)

>>7081576
that's the spirit

>>7081563
anons are mad that they can't seethe anymore ("get out of /beg/") now that /beg/ and /int/ are mixed

It's true that most of the people that post art here hover around intermediate, but also that actual beginners do get shit on and are actively discouraged from posting

>>7081587
either that or they get ignored (me included). it is what it is, i'll try to improve to make the anons here happy

>>7079770
i like how the swing and impact are portrayed in this. easy to imagine it in motion. this is gonna be particularly difficult for me to animate when it comes time for that. i guess battler sprite animations are a good way for me to practice motion

>>7081587
>>7081590
Most get ignored, whether you're beg or int
And where do beginners get shit on? Show me an example.

>>7081600
nta but when I was really /beg/ I got a lot of shit on my work, many years passed and now when I post something I get no answers at all, and somebody even call me more than /int/ lol
Begs here get nothing than pile of shit, and they deserve it. They must draw, study and draw again.

i hate hands
do these at least pass for hands

>>7081615
would you have any advice for the /beg/s here, outside of "just draw"?

>>7081617
You're not beginner or intermediate, and I'm not saying that to stroke your as you want, I'm saying it so you leave

>>7081587
better to see a lot of intermediate work that can be improved than 90 pre /beg/s asking for therapy before they create anything

>>7081625
Begs asking for therapy can fuck off
I meant begs who post their actual (Bad) art and are told to fuck off or quit drawing instead of being given advice

do these proportions look okay

>>7081512
yeah, I was checking a video kind-of about that actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7-kfEwRbu4
that drawing kind of grew as I went, so I didn't really plan it tyhat much
>>7081617
really check the length of each finger when planning a hand. your pinkies specially are huge in some of those.

>>7081619
I used to read and watch the whole /ic/ golden collection of books and courses to get to my shitty level. Making copies of artists you like while implementing knowledge of your fundies was the most useful I think. Being self-taugth artist is hard, because there are no ground under your feet, you just try to get tears of informations from every source you have, and when you try to explain your way of doing something, nobody will understand. Just stick to what they do in academies, it works, but consumes time.

What are some critiques. Just on figure I gave up on background. Especially the rendering

>>7081644
Thanks. I realized I kind of accidentally skipped over to figure drawing when I was starting out so it feels weird having to start back at observational drawing. Will keep what you said in mind, though. Anyways, back to Keys to Drawing tomorrow.

>>7081653
man this cubic style looks so cute
can't get what's happening with her mic though, looks like it's soft

>>7081653
Might be just me, but the head of the microphone seems kind of off.

>>7081653
having the bench be level with the eyeline is kinda awkward, and having the ceiling so low makes the whole thing feel cramped with the two poles there. If im assuming this is some kinda bus, either she's really huge or this is a small ass mini bus lmao
if the light is coming from above from that ceiling light, then the lighting should be much different on miku's hair arms and head

>>7081666
She went flaccid

How come skilled artists can make even a single line look really good and smooth
Is it just a result of their long practice?

>>7081639
thanks, i realize they look a bit ghoulish as well cause of how long most of them are and i've been very sloppy with measuring the fingers to be about the same size as the palm, gonna keep copying morpho hands for a few days i think
was just wondering if there's anything fundamentally fucked with my hands so far that i should know about

>>7081659
I've never read this one, this book killed my will to draw when i was starting. I think the most useful thing in drawing is simplifying hard things to simple forms, just like gestures, and then adding some details. If you can see these forms in real life and get them onto the paper - you're in already. Learning perspective and shading seems more useful for me than ktd. You an get with these with Dynamic Sketching.

>>7081653
I don't think the block twin tails really work with the rest of the hair
overall it's cute tho

>>7081681
Fair enough, I'm just doing it because I already spent money on the book so I might as well give most of it a shot (I'm one of those people who learns better away from a computer instead of risking getting distracted).
Who knows, maybe I'll learn something new from it. Worst case scenario, I'll have wasted a month or so.

>>7081666
>>7081659
>>7081670
mic is angled weird with her hand... I'll fix it

>>7081671
Background was bad in general, I realized after that everything was proportioned wrong but also didn't know how to fix it. I gotta practice drawing rooms

>>7081653
tf is happening

>>7081680
turn stabilisation up if you want smoother lines

>>7081696
She was meant to be riding the bus but I can't fuckin draw a bus

the way this thread turned i started doubting which bracket i'm in
can someone dipstick this thing i've been at for 50 minutes? (idea is catperson taking shot at a fish in a stream)

>>7081703

What da fuck??? Where the HELL is the bus driver? Why is she is staring at me with an cringe emo stare??? Where is her chaperone?
unrealistic, 6/10 you forgot to thank the bus driver

>>7081561
i-i-im above int?

>>7081716
You are in my heart.

>>7081699
Lol soulless
"Just type your prompt into ai image generator and it will appear"

>>7081713
>cute dragonball meowtz
draw him a massive flacid dick

>>7081680
yeah it's practice. the longer you draw with straight lines (instead of chicken scratching) the easier and smoother they are and your line confidence will improve like with anything else

Came back with more heads

>>7081517
draw slower, draw what you see and only use 1 or 2 lines per controur instead of the chicken scratch, also try to draw using one continuous line for as long as you can without raising your pen.

Your line work will improve if you think about this on your next attempt

You whiner(s) need to make a pre/beg/ general ffs
>YOU DRAW YOUR LINES TOO STRAIGHT TO BE A /beg/ GET OUT REEEEEE
Holy shit the point is to improve not stagnate and live in the thread to complain and cry about your mental issues for years god dayum

>>7080870
Is this beg or prebeg or permabeg or low beg or middle beg?

>>7081788
that sweater is pre-beg

>>7081552

>>7081790
Why?

>>7081795
because cloth doesn't work like that

>>7081734
I like 'em, but I think the jaws should be a bit lower.

>>7081793
I love you
marry me

Alright, last iteration of this. Yeah I know >vtumors but I'd rather draw cute things than all the ugly, mindless, surreal shit I was drawing before. I needed a change.

I would appreciate some help. Some days I am pleased with my progress, but I feel like I desperately need other analyzing eyes to point out my biggest weaknesses, so I know what to work on primarily. It's hard to focus on one subject when I'm unsure what my biggest obstacle is. All I know is that I'm not yet happy with my art, and I want to get better at proportions and other shit. Advice would be appreciated.

>>7081680
You don't need to make every line look perfect unless you're on trad, you can always just fix it later after sketch layer

>>7081807
It is looking just slightly scary to me. The proportions seem weird what are you trying to draw like

>>7081811
It's Gawr Gura>>7080607 and yeah the proportions are probably pretty borked, I'm not used to drawing females in general much less anime style stuff

Colored the Kim Pine drawing. Any thoughts on this?

>>7081819
I know who it is in just saying. What art style are you trying to do

>>7081807
i really like this one but looks you polish her for 2 days already

CEO go post the new slop. I don't want to post in some used up thread.

>>7081833
I wasn't really aping any specific art style in particular.

>>7081836
Could you rewrite that? I'm not sure what you're saying.

>>7081846
Finding a specific style of proportions to copy might help

>>7081863
Thanks. I have a world's worth of stuff to figure out still.

>>7081798
:(

New thread
>>7081944
>>7081944
>>7081944

Sup beg, today i was really really lazy.

>>7081832
why did you gave up on shade on right arm, left arm, haircut and thighs?
>>7081809
i suggest getting fineliner/ink and finalizing your drawings. in the long run it will undo the horrible chicken scratch habit you have
>>7081629
you drew her like koreans do: absurdly long legs + big anime head. but in general no proportions are set in stone. younger people have naturally bigger heads compared to the rest of the body and some women legit are 2 meters tall with shorter torso. to avoid uncertainty simply use photo refs of real people
>>7081551
before letting the pencil touch the canvas, try to think for a second: am i looking at the cube from top or bottom? that tells you where horizon is. then you realize VPs are on horizon, so the edges of plane must converge that way. only after all of this you should make a first line of your cube. until then you are just wasting your time. drawing basic geometrical objects should never be a lottery, not even for prepermabegs
>>7081510
i like it, though remember that 3/4 view = foreshortening = eyes are closer than usual
>>7081460
SOUL
>>7081234
very promising, but needs you to "finish" it. very nice perspective
>>7081157
missing shoulders. its awesome otherwise, slap in top left corner some cloud for composition gains
>>7081055
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/102
>>7080753
ART. i kneel
>>7081011
yes, the greens are from memory so i have to construct it. but hey nothing guarantees my construction will be accurate. plus some of vilppu drawings are VERY lumpy (probably to enhance the anatomy)

>>7081802

>>7081970
you're genuinely a good person

>>7081952
Kim Artist here. I couldn’t figure out how to shade the rest so I was hoping to get some ideas on how to do so

>>7081970
I don't have PaintTool SAI though ;( will have to recreate in Krita

>>7081970
>>7082018
A kind person as well as an excellent artist! A truly rare find on /ic/.

>>7081561
In order from from the top:
Int
Int
beg
Int
High int. Close to ascension.

I looked up the name of an exercise from KtD and the first thing that came up was one of Pawell's drawing, he has good SEO

Not feeling Loomis at all rn. What should i draw for fun and not practice?
Animals tend to be pretty could but i think i should try smething machinery adjacent too, wacky guns maybe idk.
Feel free to throw suggestions at me.
(The below pic isn't my serious attempt, just something i whipped out in paint with a mose so i don't post textless and also to start out already with something sry i know it sucks)

>>7082965
>could
Cool. I'm an ESL, but i swear i'm not this retarded. My browser just has a silly spellcheck.

>>7081723
i uhh... am sorry... i haven't drawn naughty things ever
but i got this past the committee, slippery dick
i hope this doesn't reflect negatively in my skill evaluation