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Just get a tablet and draw, it's that shrimple edition

This is a thread to discuss all kinds of digital drawing hardware.

>Tablet news:
Huion released kamvas 19 and 27 pro for $1050 and $2000
XP Pen released magic drawing pad for $500, several reviews mention inaccurate calibration. Don't recommend it until xp pen addresses this

Recommended tablets:
>Pen tablets (non display)
Wacom Intuos pro
Huion Inspiroy
Xencelab Pen Tablet
XP Pen Deco 01 v2 / Pro

>Display tablets
Wacom Cintiq pro
Huion Kamvas plus/pro
XP-Pen Artist series
Xencelab Pen display

>Mobile tablets
Apple iPad Pro (3rd gen for new pen/reduced bezel, 6th gen for hover)
Samsung Galaxy Tab
Surface Pro 8/9
Kanvas studio
Wacom mobile studio

>What tablets does /dtg/ use?
https://strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrLOmrDn3

>General guidelines when picking a tablet:
- All of the recommended models are part of large lines with multiple sizes/generations available. Buy the biggest/newest in your budget. Medium-Large pen tablets or 16-24" display tablets are considered the sweet spot by most artists.
- If you don't see a tablet you're interested in listed, ask about it. This isn't a definitive list, just one to give you an idea where to start looking.
- Wacom is still the industry standard, but they're overpriced and a lot of pros and studios are switching. Chinese brands have caught up in the past few years and will provide a near identical user experience for a fraction of the price.

>Recommended Software:
Clip Studio Paint
Photoshop
Krita
Procreate
Infinite Painter
Hipaint
ibis paint
MediBang
Rebelle

>Display Calibration tools:
https://www.eizo.be/monitor-test/
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avJTz1JhkR4
(Use this guide to roughly calibrate your display if you don't want to invest hundreds into a colorimeter you'll only use a few times)

Previous thread: >>7002077

>> No.7039816

having tried all kinds of pen nibs (samsung rubber, staedtler noris, random chink plastic nibs, wacom felt, wacom elastomer, wacom plastic, samsung plastic) on bare glass my conclusion is that it really doesn't matter once you get used to it which takes all of 5 minutes

>> No.7039847

>>7039816
disagree

>> No.7040039

>>7039816
Bare glass sucks ass no matter what, so you're probably right.

>> No.7040044

>>7040039
fwiw i've tried each of these with a matte screen protector as well and the actual drawing experience wasn't any better while the screen quality suffered immensely

>> No.7040738

>>7040044
What matte screen protector did you use?

>> No.7040764

Does anybody else use frisket sheets to cover their tablet screens or is it just me?

>> No.7040817

i didn't notice this thread when i was going to make my post, so might as well quote it here and try my luck.
>>7040811

>> No.7040823
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>>7040817
it got deleted, so;

>I've just realized that I can get a screen protector for my wacom intuos pro pth 460, the surface of which i have thoroughly fucked up while drawing.
>thing is, the only screen protectors available are either over priced stuff from wacom, or sketchy stuff from aliexpress.

>> No.7040873

>>7040823
I never bought official screen protectors for anything ever in my life and so should you.

>> No.7041210

>>7040873
you have anything in mind to substitute for a screen protector? frisket sheet i couldn't find, i could try my hand at going to a market street and looking for a tablet sized screen protector that could be a fit for my pth 460
the scratch-mark circle in the center of my drawpad is kind of worrying, honestly. it doesn't impair its' functions in any way, but i still feel uneasy. i do know that as long as the stylus' tip is around a cm above the surface i can use it to move the cursor around and press it on something, like my finger, to get it to work. still, i think a screen protector is the best way to deal with it though.

>> No.7041373

>>7040764
what the fuck is a frisket sheet?

>> No.7041379

>>7041210
>>7040823
>pth 460
You're going to move on from in it not that long anyway, but I would either tape a piece of paper over it or get an aliexpress cover personally.
or maybe buy the smallest size paperlike/elecom intended for ipads and just cut it to fit.

>> No.7041380

>>7041379
>You're going to move on from in it not that long anyway
wtf why?

>> No.7041389

How is everyone's back doing? Be sure to stretch and straighten your backs routinely!

>> No.7041391

>>7041389
My back is already straight, what are you yapping about

>> No.7041412
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>>7041380
because you're drawing on something the size of a fucking notecard.

>> No.7042325

>>7041389
stop hunching over your tablet and you'll be fine. there's exactly zero reason to be hunched over. even if you bought a wacom with tiny useless legs, you can prop it up with a desktop easel or laptop stand. hell, even just lean it against some books or something.

>> No.7042356

>>7041389
Thanks for the reminder, anon. Easy habit to slip towards when too focused.

>> No.7042540

>>7041373
https://www.grafixarts.com/products/frisket-film/
Clear sheets you can use as painting masks.

>> No.7042554

>>7041391
I'm sure it was just in reference to the very cute op pic, anon. "Shrimping" is a common term for when someone puts themselves in a posterior chain-unfriendly position to draw, game, general computer use etc.; ergo a shrimp drawing on a screen tablet is a cute but ultimately grim reminder of the physical sacrifice screen drawers make in not having chosen the higher and wiser path of the Large Intuos

>> No.7042559

>>7042554
based name mr g. g.

>> No.7042600

>>7042554
I just picked a shrimp because it was different from an anime girl and I wanted to say shrimple in the op. calm down.

>> No.7043206

>>7042540
how bad is the glare
I might slap that shit on my phone so I don't have to pay 300k for a screen protector from those yellow jews

>> No.7043221

>>7043206
what poobux currency is this?

>> No.7043227

>>7043221
it's called exaggeration you retard

>> No.7043291

>>7043227
How fucking poor are you that a phone screen protector is a major investment to you?

>> No.7043400

>>7043291
Maybe I just don't want to spend 30 euros on a fucking piece of transparent plastic for my already overpriced korean phone?

>> No.7043414

>>7043400
take better care of your shit and you won't even need a screen protector.

>> No.7043531

>>7043400
>30 euros on a fucking piece of transparent plastic
I have not spent this much on phone screen protectors like ever. It's a piece of glass/plastic/film, chinkland sells them for like 2 bucks a piece.

>> No.7043534

>>7043531
Whitestone charges $30 or $40. Quality screen protectors cost money unfortunately, especially if you have a curved display like most flagship phones now have.

>> No.7043571

>>7043534
sounds like you just can't help but get ripped off

>> No.7043594

>>7043571
I'm not the guy bitching about buying a screen protector, just pointing out you have no idea what you're talking about. There's no such thing as a cheap glass screen protector that doesn't fuck up your phone's touch sensitivity, especially not if you have a curved glass screen. I don't see how this conversation is relevant to tablets though really.

>> No.7043607

>>7043594
i'm not the anon you were talking to before but i'm just saying both your expensive korean meme phone and $40 screen protectors seem like self inflicted issues

>> No.7044039

>>7043607
I wasn't complaining about either my korean phone or having to pay for a screen protector. but I'm also not trying to save a few bucks using some jank shit like this
>>7043206

>> No.7045122

Found a gaomon pen tablet at a thrift store for $12
Worth it or nah? It's a small one but does have the pen

>> No.7045130

Bros, I'm looking for advice. I've never used a drawing tablet of any kind before. A while back I looked them up and lots of people seemed to recommend Kamvas 22 Plus, but for some reason the Huion site no longer stocks it (or doesn't stock it for sale in my country). They only offer the Kamvas Pro 22. That said, Huion do still sell the 22 Plus on eBay so I could get it from there.
What's the main difference between the Pro 22 and 22 Plus? Right now the Pro 22 is £469 (on sale from £769) while the Pro 22 is £509 (not reduced). I'm just wondering if that extra £40 is worth paying.

I don't know even know if I'm being retarded buying something for that price when I have no experience with it. At the same time I never like buying cheap(er) options that aren't up to par and just need replaced further down the road anyway.

>> No.7045145

>>7045122
Nice dubs, but no, not worth it. Get an Intuos Large or an Inspiroy Giano, if you can't afford either of those don't bother with digital until you can.

>> No.7045157

>>7045145
Hey shut the fuck up <3

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>>7045157
Hey, pyw ;^]

>> No.7045192

>>7045145
Seconding
>>7045157

You give the absolute most dogshit advice. Actually kill yourself.
>>7045122
No it's shit, but you can get a fine medium/large chinktab for like $50. Do that.

>> No.7045197

>>7045130
22 plus uses their newer much better pen, 22 pro is older but has side buttons.
I would go with the plus since side buttons kinda suck ass anyway. As far as spending a lot, if you're at all into art I think it's worth buying a nice tablet once instead of buying shit and constantly upgrading.

>> No.7045198

>>7045122
no, get at least a medium sized one

>> No.7045341

>>7045197
Thanks. I was swayed more towards the 22 Plus just because I'd heard more about it. Turns out I was being retarded too and Huion do still sell it on their site, and for £420 so I'm saving even more. Although I've read not to buy from Huion's site directly and to buy from Amazon instead, but then I've also seen people saying not to buy from Amazon and buy from Huion instead. Amazon is like £100 more too.
Hate this kind of shit.
>it's worth buying a nice tablet once instead of buying shit and constantly upgrading
Yeah that was my thinking too. I've fell for that too many times in the past to do it again.

>> No.7045365

>>7045341
I hate buying direct from chink companies and will spend a little extra to get it from somewhere reputable instead
BUT
amazon has also been supremely dogshit lately.
I bought a kamvas studio 16 from them, it had a weird issue where the keyboard didn't work on the lock screen so I couldn't put in my password without turning it on/off repeatedly, so I returned it. After a month of waiting for my money back and repeatedly getting told it would be refunded soon, they decided that they weren't going to refund it afterall unless I sent a picture of the front and back of my drivers license.
I told them to go fuck themselves because I don't trust Ranjeet with my drivers license, so I had to go through capital one and file a dispute to get my money back, which took another month.

tl;dr: fuck amazon.

>> No.7045374

>>7045365
I hate having to do any kind of refund or sending things back. It's just an unnecessary headache. I don't even have an Amazon account so I'd have to make one and I'd also prefer to avoid doing that. Especially given what you've said.
This website isn't the actual Huion website, but some kind of partner so I'm not sure how legit it even is. It's allegedly some Dutch shit that has a warehouse here in Bongistan or something. It's weird how they have it on their site for sale here, but the Huion site itself doesn't. Making it worse is that I can't use my PayPal because PayPal are totally fucking retarded, but that's a different thing I'm pissed off about.

Unsure what to do here. I'm going to investigate that sketchy looking site some more and find out how safe it is.

>> No.7045380

>>7045374
Does Dutch(?) ebay have any refurbished 22 pluses for cheaper? I got mine from huion's ebay account for like $390 or some shit, and it's had no issues going on 2 years.

>> No.7045443

>>7045380
All I could find refurbished when I took a look was a Kamvas 24 for £520, but brand new they're only £600 atm. The refurbished ones were down to £460, but with this being the last refurbished one they've jacked the price.
I'll keep looking though.

>> No.7045460

>>7045443
for an extra £10 you could get a 24 plus over a 22?

>> No.7045471

>>7045192
What's that? I give the absolute best advice ever and I should just be myself? You're too kind!

>>7045380
He could also try other regional ebay sites like ebay.de. I bought a friend from Italy an Intuos 3 through that and the price/shipping were reasonable. It's always a risk buying things online in general and secondhand in particular, though.

>> No.7045529

>>7045460
Nah it's not a Plus, just a regular 24.

>> No.7046448

>>7045529
Oh, yeah that's shit then.

>> No.7048663

>>7045164
do you do anything other than grind fundies? like draw something interesting?

>> No.7049329

any good sales for chinkland new year?

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7049580

wait a second....

>> No.7049606

>>7049580
>irregardless

>> No.7049686

>>7049606
irregardless is valid, cope and seethe about it

>> No.7049693

>>7049686
it's just something stupid ESLs say.
>>7049580
what program is this?

>> No.7049703

>>7049693
It's not THOUGH it's the queen's English and part of dictionaries

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7049771

>>7049703
it's in dictionaries because people say it. slang gets entered into dictionaries as well, because the job of a dictionary is just to record the spoken word.
Irregardless is a completely nonsensical word that means the polar opposite of what it should when broken down to its roots.

friendly reminder that websters also changed the definition of female to appease trannies, and shouldn't necessarily be taken as the final say on things, irrespective (the word ESLs are actually looking for) of what you might think.

>> No.7049778

>>7049703
It's from xsetwacom. A utility to manage tablets in Linux

>> No.7049790

>>7049778
oh, so just gnutards just getting fucked by their shitty software choices

>> No.7049828

>>7049771
English has no prescriptive language authority, if it's used widely enough it becomes a valid part of the language
Ironically ESLs are the ones who get confused by this most often because their native languages are usually prescriptive

>> No.7050085

Why are we arguing about English in tablet general

>> No.7050630

>>7045130
see
>>7050626

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>> No.7050653

>>7050630
Stay in your containment thread, retard

>> No.7050689

>>7050653
This is the containment thread chinkshill

>> No.7051108

>>7050635
>>7050630
Literally every subreddit for a specific brand is full of nothing but tech support questions like this.
People are much more likely to complain about or seek help for a problem than they are to praise it for no reason.

If you take what you see on reddit to be a reflection of the average user's experience, every company would be bankrupt.

>> No.7051300

>>7051108
>tech support questions
>tablet breaking down out of the box
and a ching chong to you good sir

if you look at wacom's subreddit you won't find 40 posts from the last week alone saying their screen broke

>> No.7051397

>>7051300
>every tablet manufactured in China or Indonesia
>even Wacom
Crazy.

>> No.7051410

>>7051397
retard

>> No.7051438

>>7051300
you won't find that on any tablet's subreddit. is it really that boring in your containment thread that you have to try to shit up this one? wacom business hurting that bad after competitors released their new line?

>> No.7051535

>>7039802
Huion Kamvas Pro 16 2.5k
or
XP Pen Artist Pro 16 2nd gen? Which one's better?

>> No.7051577

>>7051535
Extremely similar, you won't likely notice any actual significant difference day to day with either one. Personally I'd probably get the xp pen if choosing between those 2, though

>> No.7052210

>>7051438
>you won't find that on any tablet's subreddit.
>>7050635

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>> No.7052446

>>7052276
>40 posts from the last week alone
You're also just blatantly lying, most posts on wacoms subreddit are about problems as well.

>> No.7052478

>>7052446
>You're also just blatantly lying
i didn't include all the pen failures and software glitches.
>most posts on wacoms subreddit are about problems as well.
none of them as even remotely as severe as the one's found on huion's page.

>> No.7052480

>but what about all those youtubers who recommend chink tabl--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

>> No.7052481
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7052481

Is the A15 a good tablet to use? I've been considering buying this.

>> No.7052488

>>7051300
Wrong thread. Back to your containment thread schizzler-sama.

>> No.7052525

>>7052478
Most of the problems on the huion subreddit are a bad cable.

>> No.7052529

>>7052480
>Aaron discovers no one gives a shit about his thread and has to try to shit up the actual tablet thread people are posting on topic discussion in

>> No.7052544

>>7052529
The despair...I can smell it, no one actually will buy his decade old shit

>> No.7052822 [DELETED] 

>>7052544
>>7052529
>>7052525
>>7052488
ching chong bing bong

>> No.7052861

>>7052481
>veikk
is there a reason you would go for this over a reputable brand for like the same price? xp pen deco 01 v2 is only slightly more.

>> No.7052870

>>7052861
>reputable brand
>xp pen
lmfao

>> No.7053082

Friendly reminder to just ignore the wacumguzzler and continue as normal. He's a seething manlet who built his entire existence around a brand that doesn't even know he exists, and ironically does more harm than good in white knighting for them.

>> No.7053352

>>7053082
fuck you chinkshill

>> No.7053538

>>7053082
I wanted to know how the guzzler sleeps knowing that he alone got anons here to buy chink tablets than the """"shills""""
>>7053352
It hit close home

>> No.7053568

>>7053538
>he alone got anons here to buy chink tablets than the """"shills""""
their problem if they actually are that fucking stupid

>> No.7054371

>>7053568
Owner of 2 chink tabs for years
Zero problems at all
Guzzler can get fucked

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>>7048663
What could be more interesting than fundies?

>> No.7054524

Thoughts on Wacom CTL-672?

>> No.7054527

>>7054434
Literally anything else.

>> No.7054551

>>7054371
congrats, you won the chink lottery

>> No.7054842

>>7054551
Not really, it's extremely common. Do you really think they'd be as popular as they are if there were actually massive widespread problems with a majority of their products? Dumbass

>> No.7054872

>>7054842
people are retards and will buy any crap as long as it’s cheap. case in point: you

>> No.7054874

>>7054872
>everyone is retarded but me.
>I am very smart and will pay the billion dollar corporation 10x as much for the same product

>> No.7054875

>>7054874
ching chong

>> No.7054933

Really dumb question, but how do you guys handle reference images on a single monitor when using a digital art program? I use Clip Studio Paint and so far I've just been putting CSP in a window and then googling the reference picture I want and placing it in a window next to the CSP window. I'm sure there's a smarter way to do this, so what do you do?

>> No.7054944

>>7054933
CSP let's you open a secondary window for reference images.
https://doncorgi.com/blog/reference-window-in-clip-studio-paint/

>> No.7054958

>>7054933
I use pureref. It overlays over whatever program you're using, but you can change the size of the window and the reference images inside of it. Can get a bit annoying if you put it in a retarded place and it's covering something you need to use or if you minimize the program because pureref stays over the top of everything and you need to minimize it from the taskbar. Pretty sure you can change that though.
One good thing about it too is that you can just drag and drop images from the interwebs onto it without needing to save them. It's a neat little program all in all.

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>>7054933
If you're an artist a second monitor is a must, however when I'm drawing at work or my parents' house on a single laptop where a second monitor isn't an option what I typically do is just drag the software window and browser window to the corners of the monitor and it divides them in perfect halves.

That said, I also have Pureref and it's a good program even though I don't bother opening it much. Not only can you overlap your drawing area with your reference but you can resize it as needed on the fly.

>> No.7055245

>>7054524
absolute shit waste of money. if you aren't buying wacom's top of the line, there's literally no reason to buy wacom at all over their competition.
for budget options, chink shit is ahead of entry level wacom by a country mile.

>> No.7055784

>>7055245
What should I get with a similar price point?

>> No.7055817

>>7055784
Deco L or deco 01 v2.

>> No.7055874

Which one should I get Wacom Cintiq 16 or XP Pen Artist 22 Plus? I'd love to have a big screen (22") but my only concern is I'm not sure if this XP Pen model going to last for a long time since they're still fairly new released and can't tell their long term reliability

>> No.7055878

>>7054980
you're still copying off of a flat surface that is the same distance as your working screen.
there's no comparison to actual life drawing with a model.
anons, do portraits and ask friends to sit for you clothed. if you have a partner, ask them to lay down or sit for your naked while reading or watching a video.

there's a huge difference between copying off of a screen and actually using your eyes and stereoscopic vision to then render a picture without any simplification of your model. it's cheating and that's why you don't make progress.

>> No.7056032

>>7055874
Kamvas 22 plus is sadly better than the xp pen 22 plus. Xp pen dropped the ball after releasing the banger of the 16 pro gen 2
They know etched glass is good, thru have it on the 16 pro and on the magic drawing pad, but then go back to screen protectors for their large models. Fucking stupid.

>> No.7056045

pirated CSP on galaxy s6 lite Y/N?

>> No.7056113

>>7039802
The huion kamvas pro 19 was honestly what I wanted from Wacom

Sigh need to contemplate on whether to take the 50/50 lemon lottery

>> No.7056219

>>7056113
It's really no where near that bad.

>> No.7056844

Did xp pen start shipping magic pads yet, or still preorder? Would love to know if the calibration being off is a common issue or not before shelling out $500

>> No.7056853

>>7056219
I think the actual reason why people argue about the lemon rate is because they send good units to places where Amazon return is mandatory whereas the bad/gimped units go to places with no consumer protection. Most of my artist friend's huion/xp pen craps out after 2 years or so.

Will wait for Xencelabs to announce something middle this year else just bite the bullet.

>> No.7056876

>>7056853
Sounds like a weird conspiracy theory

>> No.7057911

>>7055878
It may come as a shocker but not everyone on /ic/ wants to be a portrait artist.

>> No.7057918

>>7057911
>thinks that drawing from life is only for doing portraits
git gud

>> No.7057920

>>7055878
>sit for your naked while reading or watching a video
hot

>> No.7058478

>>7057918
Seems kinda useless if you want to be a cartoonist, but idk. I'm no pro

>> No.7058708

Is Krita any decent at animation? Currently trying out CSP EX cracked version but I do have the license for CSP. On one hand, I'm way to entrenched in CSP so I could just adapt my current setup with CSP EX instead of trying to learn an entirely new setup/shortcuts/keybinds with Krita. And frankly, the short moments I had with Krita had me disliking it, even more so than free ones like Photopea (because at least that has similar default keybinds like Photoshop).

>> No.7058783

>>7058708
No. Krita is only "good" if it's the only program you've used.

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>>7058783
you can leave now, faggot

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7058826

I want to get an ipad pro for drawing/animating and i can afford whatever but i do have a cheap streak in me. Should i get a gen 5 and save myself a grand or just bite the bullet and get a gen 6?

>> No.7058845

>>7058811
Craig Mullins primarily uses rebelle from what it looks like. You should probably get a different god btw, one that doesn't latch on to nft, ai, and whatever dumb [current thing] pops up next.

>> No.7058887

>>7058845
Why would I ever care about him as a person?
I don't give a shit about what his views are outside of him sharing hist artwork. Craig Mullins the person does not exist for all I care for.
Craig Mullins the artist, however, is undeniably a good artist. If Krita is good enough for him, it is good enough for anyone else.
If I post Dave Rapoza also praising Krita will you continue to crab? Or will he have some personality trait that does not reflect his artistic ability on why I should not listen to his advice related to art?

>> No.7059048

>>7058887
If I show you tens of thousands of artists that are at an equal skill level that don't use krita, will you shut the fuck up?
Even ignoring that it doesnt matter in the slightest what program someone else uses, every recent post he's made says he uses rebelle. Why would he have switched to rebelle if krita was so good?

>> No.7059051

>>7058826
There's been basically nothing of note in the past 5 years to merit the price of buying the latest and greatest iPad if your only use case is art. Cursor hover is the only thing, and it really doesn't matter. A 3rd gen will do everything a 5th or 6th gen will, while only running you like $3-400.

>> No.7059085

>>7059048
you dumb fucking nigger the question was "is krita good enough?" not what everyone else uses.
now go back to the other thread and shit it up there instead

>> No.7059091

>>7059085
>is krita good enough?
anon was asking if krita was good for animation, and said that he tried it and hated it.
you then went on an autistic rant about how one guy said it was good for painting.

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>>7058708
Krita has a very good, simple animation interface with a lot of onion skin and frame customization options. I love that you can change the opacity of individual frames in the onion skin and change the color of the frames on the timeline themselves to keep track of things; it's easily the most user-friendly animation tool I've used. I wouldn't trust it for a serious production of more than a few seconds in length, but it's a great tool to get started with, though.

>> No.7059383

>>7059311
Have you used CSP's? As a certified retard, I found it worked pretty well for the couple second bird flapping it's wings animation I drew.

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7059404

are paperlike/frosted screen protectors supposed to make the screen look so much worse? I bought something like picrel because it's detachable and it looks awful, adds omnipresent rainbow noise all over the screen and it's unpleasant to touch in general
is it just the type i'm buying that's shit or are they all pretty much like this?

>> No.7059415

>>7059404
What brand did you get? I've only used elecom and huion's etched glass and never really noticed much of what you're talking about, but know some people have complained about it.

>> No.7059423

>>7059415
i could only find removable ones like that on aliexpress so it's a generic chinkese one

>> No.7059430

anyone have good painting brush settings for sai 2

>> No.7059447

>>7059423
https://www.amazon.com/ELECOM-Removable-Easy-Install-Smoothness-TB-APSNS129-W/dp/B095S7MGHY

>> No.7059452

>>7059447
>>7059423
also for what it's worth, I've never used a removeable one before so they could all be absolute shit. I've given up on screen protectors entirely since I don't like how quickly they wear down and just stick to tablets with etched glass instead.
part of why I was excited about the xp pen magic pad until reviews came in saying the cursor was poorly calibrated with no way to fix it (yet)

>> No.7059498

>>7058708
Krita lets you change the shortcuts to be like Clip studio, really though, the best thing would be to set up your own personalized key commands. that way you're never tied down to one program's workflow.

>> No.7059515
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7059515

>>7059383
I do have and have used CSP EX for animation, I can't remember why but I found its handling of animation a bit clumsy in comparison. Krita you can do so much with just dragging, dropping etc.

Onion Skin/Light Table:

Looking now just as a direct comparison I can see I can activate the light table on CSP but with Krita you have a lot of control that I'm not certain you're afforded in CSP. You can show/hide individual frames in the onion skin going back or forward 10 frames, even filter by their chosen color designation and increase their relative opacity with sliders. At a cursory glance it just looks like the light table in CSP goes back and forward one frame only.

Timeline:
With both Krita and CSP I can right click on the timeline and "add cel" (CSP) or "add frame" (Krita), but with Krita I can insert a keyframe relative to that current frame either in front or behind the selected frame in the timeline and this advances the rest of the frames forward.

The way CSP "names" its animation cels is annoying
>add a new cel after cel 1 it's 2
>add a new cel inbetween cel 1 and 2 it's 1a
>add a new cel inbetween cel 1a and 1 it calls itself "Layer 2"
>add a new cel after cel 1, before cell 5 and it's 12 if that's the order it was created in.

With animation being a process you do sort of "inside out" chronologically it's annoying having the cel names being all over the place like that.

If you rearrange the frames on the timeline they're rearranged in the layer window as well. I'm not sure what if any affect that has but just as a passing observation it feels like it could cause problems (but maybe not)

This is what my timeline looks like on CSP after deleting the cel layers in the layer window on the right. I have to select the cels on the timeline and make sure I select "Delete" instead of "Delete Frame" or it will just subtract a frame from the current drawing cel rather than deleting the (now blank) cel. It's all a little cumbersome and confusing.

>> No.7059518

Is it worth using CSP rather than Krita despite these and whatever other faults? I can't say that I'm sure. In my difficulties with both software I can't necessarily rule out ignorance or user error. The way the timeline is so easily interacted with and having 20 potential frames at your disposal with the onion skin feels like a serious benefit in Krita's favor.

>> No.7059535

>>7039802
If money was no barrier, would you all get a Wacom mobile studio pro as your portable dream machine?
If not, what else?

>> No.7059546

>>7059535
fuck no. It's too big and outdated. I have a kamvas studio 16 which has a smaller footprint and still think it's too big, but is an upgrade to the mobilestudio pro in every way other than resolutionm which at 16", 2.5k or 4k makes very very little difference. The magic drawing pad is honestly my ideal for a mobile tablet if they can fix the problems it has.

>> No.7059548

>>7059535
even if money was no issue i just don't see what i could do with it that i couldnt with an ipad or android tablet
and it's too thick and unwieldy to be considered truly portable, it's portable in the sense that you can take it from one room into another but still needs space dedicated to setting it up

>> No.7059553

>>7059546
just to compare on paper, left is wacom and right is huion:
i7-8559U - i7-1165G7 (2 years newer and ~20% improvement in performance)
nvidia quadro p1000 - intel iris Xe (pascal vs ice lake, extremely similar performance cards)
16gb DDR4 - 16gb DDR4
310 nits - 400 nits
85% adobe rgb - 100% adobe rgb
4630 maH battery - 5800 maH battery
512gb ssd - 512gb ssd
13.6x7.6 (15.6") - 13.8x7.8 (15.8" (usable screen size)
850:1 contrast ratio - 1200:1 contrast ratio
25ms response time - 14ms response time
3840 x 2160 - 2560 x 1440 (resolution)
4.7lbs - 3.7lbs

Wacom is better in: resolution, and very slightly in gpu performance, but worse or the same in every other way.
If you need a windows tablet to draw on, either wait for a new mobile studio and pay $4000 for it, or get the kamvas studio.

>> No.7059557

>>7059553
also forgot to mention physical usability, since the kamvas has a surface pro style kickstand and comes with a separate stand in the box if you'd prefer that. wacom as per usual has fuck all, or for the low price of $170 dollars, you can get a portable stand to make it usable. at least this time it's not proprietary, so you can just use a $20 laptop stand instead.

if all that is tl;dr: fuck wacom and the horse they rode in on.

>> No.7059561

>>7059557
What happened to being advised to avoid Chinese tablets at all costs?

>> No.7059562

>>7059561
that hasn't been an issue in like 4 years. the only guy that still thinks it is doesn't even draw.

>> No.7059567

>>7059562
Interesting, I’ve been considering a Kamvas 22 plus but I don’t want to buy garbage and there’s a lot of conflicting info out there

>> No.7059572

>>7059567
for what it's worth, I've had my (refurbished) 22 plus for ~2 years and haven't had any problems. My suggestion is always to just buy from ebay/amazon and return it and get something else if you have a problem.

>> No.7059767

>>7059515
>The way CSP "names" its animation cels is annoying
The naming convention works well for keyframes that you've already done storyboards for (so you've already known beforehand how much keyframes you have). And then adding new cels just adds more breakdowns like 2a, 2b, 2c etc. But it also gets horribly messed up after a while. Sometimes when I previously created new frame 3d, and then go and put in between 3c and 3d it'll give Layer 2 crap, and then I'll go and add in between 7c and 7d it'll suddenly put 3e for some reason. Workaround I found is I'll just draw in whatever sequence I want and then just use the "Rename in timeline order" to rearrange all of the frames namings back in chronological order.

Yeah, the animation tools are pretty all over the place. Had to do a bit more of fiddling to find out most of the shit I need is in the "Edit Tracks" functions. Who would've ever guessed? Also I still cant find out how to batch modify multiple/selected cels timings like if I want to speed up some parts of the animation I have to manually drag each cels.

>With both Krita and CSP I can right click on the timeline and "add cel" (CSP) or "add frame" (Krita), but with Krita I can insert a keyframe relative to that current frame either in front or behind the selected frame in the timeline and this advances the rest of the frames forward.

Yeah I wish I could also add cel in between frames and have the rest of the frames automatically move forwards by some amount. You have to like click on that tiny 2 pixel bar to move frames around and thats annoying as fuck.

For onion skins you can go up to 10 frames with CSP as well in the settings.

>>7059518
To me, I've already been using CSP for years so I guess I'll just stick with CSP EX since I could just do both illustration and animation. It IS very expensive though so unless you are loaded or something, just go with Krita for a start.

>> No.7059771

>>7059535
Wacom Mobile Studio is very, very, very fucking outdated. It still uses processors from 2018! Sure for art it's whatever, but we're in 2024. Kamvas Studio 16 exist. Surface Pro exist. Fucking iPad exist.

>> No.7059799

>>7059771
Are we happy with how surface pro has improved? I still use a Pro 4 and had been waiting for them to finally fix the jitter issue that seems exclusive to ntrig.

I’m skeptical of Huion for an all-in-one tablet, and like the surface build quality.
There was no new surface pro last year which seemed strange

>> No.7059806

>>7059799
I have a surface pro 3 along with the kamvas studio 16. Build quality feels the same. Biggest downside is there's no kind of case/typecover to protect the screen, and it's a bit too big to be truly portable the same way an iPad is.
Also surface pro 9 with slim pen is supposedly pretty decent, but I haven't tried it personally to say how it compares.

>> No.7059812

>>7059799
SP8 and later with Slim Pen 2 is a decent improvement to the pen quality. If you want to compare drawing performance with other tablets like Samsung Tablet or iPads, obviously Samsung/iPad wins. But SP is Windows-based, which is why it is compared to the Wacom Mobile Studio.

The other downside to Kamvas Studio 16 is like >>7059806 anon says. Studio 16 is on the big side and doesnt have particularly good battery life. Portability-wise you're probably gonna use em only with a power brick.

>> No.7059821

>>7059812
Based on this feedback I’m considering an iPad for portable and a Kamvas 22 plus for home unless I can find a good second hand Cintiq 22-24

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>>7059821
That's my exact setup until I can find a good ipad replacement.

>> No.7059877

>>7059835
I’ll be interested to see if new models are revealed soon. From what I understand, oled isn’t essential for art but a new model could mean discounted current model

>> No.7059884

>>7059877
New from huion or new from Apple? Huion's newest just got released like a few weeks ago. No budget options, 19" and 27".

>> No.7060030

>>7059884
I meant apple since there’s rumours of a q1 reveal.
For a display only tablet, 19” seems too small, and I expect 27” would be too expensive

>> No.7060134

>>7060030
>For a display only tablet, 19” seems too small, and I expect 27” would be too expensive
$1000 for 19", $2000 for 27"
Don't know what they were thinking with this gen. The whole reason people buy them over wacom is price, what's the point if they're getting into retard pricing?

>> No.7060209

I'm torn between two pen displays
Kamvas Pro 16 (2,5K) and
Artist Pro 16 (2nd Gen)
I'm switching from much smaller and older Intuos S, so both these options will be a massive upgrade for me
However stat-wise they look almost the same to me, and wherever I look I see strong bias either for or against Huion, but with no direct comparison between these models
I'm leaning a bit towards XP Pen, as it has 16:10 aspect ratio and remote on a wheel, and looks a bit more ergonomic, but idk how it feels in practice

Is there any significant difference in screen quality or pen feel?

I'm undecisive as fuck and it drives me insane

>> No.7060269

>>7039802
helo
I am currently hesitating between buying a cintiq pro 17" and a 12.9" ipad pro
I've heard a lot of people shilling the ipad saying it made them draw more by being so fun and easy despite the cintiq being technically superior, I would like to know how you feel
I'm especially worried about the screen texture of the ipad

>> No.7060284

>>7060209
>Is there any significant difference in screen quality or pen feel?
No
Flip a coin and choose one. I'd probably go with the xp pen just because it's the newer of the 2.

>> No.7060355

>>7060269
ipads suck ass as anything more than sketch tool. yeah some people torture themselves and try to make fully rendered pieces that would be 100x easier on a real tablet, but they just aren't good for it.

>> No.7060471

you mean the painting tools suck ass ? I thought that the sketching experience made for it

>> No.7060475

>>7060471
sorry meant for >>7060355

>> No.7060480

>>7060471
they're fine for the full workflow, idk what that anon is doing to need a full desktop setup that can't be done on an ipad or android tablet maybe just stimming with his shortcut keys

>> No.7060525

>>7060480
fine is different from good. you're either going to have to pay for a subscription for csp, or use inferior software like procreate. ignoring the slippery screen or need to change screen protectors regularly, worse pen, and smaller size, the software alone makes it a worse option to a normal work station.

>> No.7060764

>using plastic nib on coarse screen protector wore down the nib worryingly quick (within like 2 hours of use)
>using it on bare glass feels like it's rubberized now
kinda weird but i like how it feels now

>> No.7060765

>>7060525
What makes CSP better than Procreate?

>> No.7060785

>>7059051
Thanks for the info.

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>>7060765
not him but a big thing for me is that procreate's brushes don't fucking blend into a gradient sort of thing, they just stack on every stroke and the program expects you to use the shitty blend tool to mix your colors. I found one guy who somehow made it work but I didn't really like how his brush felt so I don't use it much. if anyone can tell me how to get this blending effect in procreate please let me know I cannot fucking figure it out.
also no adjustment layers, you can't edit layer groups (not even changing opacity) and other stuff I don't remember at the moment. I like procreate's UI the most out of all 3 but there's just a lot of these very basic issues that people have complained about on their forum for years and nothing is happening even though some mod keeps acknowledging them once a year.

>> No.7061376

>>7060765
Basically this
>>7061347
They're lacking a bunch of small things that there's no reason to be lacking. Iirc even their selection tool is super shit

>> No.7061501

Ordered a slate 10
Will report back on how it is after using it for a while

>> No.7061507

>>7061501
no send it back it sucks, its literally using generic digitizer technology not even huion's

>> No.7061508

>>7061507
Well I got it through Amazon, so if it does suck I can just return it. I don't need anything fancy, just something cheap.

>> No.7061526

>>7061508
An S6 Lite for the same price at the same size will get you much further

>> No.7061547

>>7061526
Wait are they the same price? I thought they were a lot more

>> No.7061548

>>7061547
Yes, the S6 lite might even be cheaper by a few dollars
Just make sure it's the 2022 refresh
There's also another refresh coming later this year but it hasn't been officially announced yet

>> No.7061555

>>7061548
Damn the huion already shipped. I'll try it for a few days and I'd it sucks just that that instead. Thanks friend

>> No.7061557

>>7061555
I apparently had a stroke
If it sucks, just get that instead*

>> No.7061562
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>thinking of getting a Galaxy S9
>14" would obviously be the best size for drawing
>but 12" would be better for misc stuff I'd also use it for like reading manga
Decisions decisions...

>> No.7061566

>>7061562
I have both a 12.4" S7 FE and the S9 ultra and while the larger size does make it somewhat less portable it also kinda makes it more portable?
You can multitask and keep refs etc open while you draw and you'll still have plenty of space to draw so it's very all-in-one, but physically it is kinda cumbersome and eye catching if you wanted to use it in public

>> No.7061571

Friends, if I have a 27" screen, should I go with the intuos pro m or l? I've definitely heard the larger the screen the larger your tablet should be, else the relationship between space on the paper/space on the screen is gonna become too big to feel intuitive, but I don't know where the cut-off lies. I'm assuming the majority of people with 32" monitors are gonna be going with the L.

I also wanna model in blender/maya in addition to drawing if that's important.

>> No.7061586

>>7061571
Your desk space matters more than your screen size desu
Try one, see if you like it, return it and get the other if you don't. I would personally go with a large, but I also have a 7 foot long desk with endless room.

>> No.7061591

>>7061566
I would likely never bring it outside, I'd just try to use it for reading manga and playing games in bed and 14" seems too big for comfy bed usage. Even so drawing would of course be my primary reason for buying one so the ultra would probably still be the more logical purchase.

>> No.7061597

>>7061591
I use it in bed all the time and it's comfy enough for me, I think for actual books with lots of text it's too big but for manga where the text is more spread out and there's images it would actually be pretty good

>> No.7061607

>>7061597
Nice, leaning even more towards the ultra now. Thanks for the input.

>> No.7061612

>>7061607
Personally I think 12-13" is perfect size unless you use a ui heavy program like full CSP. A 12.9" iPad with procreate for example gives a similar canvas size as a 22" desktop tablet with csp.

>> No.7061685

>>7039802
Hello lads, I have a Wacom Cintiq 22 (DTK-2260) that I've had for two years now, that I use pretty frequently. I've noticed that the center of the tablet screen is very glossy. Evidently there's an antiglare screen protector permanently affixed to the tablet and I suspect I'm beginning to wear through it. I also noticed that my pen nibs leave a residue in this polished area, that can easily be wiped off (but it bounces light around and can be distracting).
What should I do? Should I buy a screen protector, or is it safe to continue using the tablet with the degraded permanently-affixed screen protector?

>> No.7061844

>>7061685
that I'm aware of, there's no such thing as a permanently affixed screen protector. you can buy cintiq 22 replacement screen protectors.

>> No.7062230

>>7061844
Hmm, possibly. The factory protector, while it CAN be removed, really isn't designed to be. It's affixed with optical glue which apparently leaves a lot of residue.
Never stopped me in terms of other projects, though.

>> No.7062271

>>7061347
>procreate
So im not the only one. Cant stand the deco pro my friend gave me and went back to using a mouse.

>> No.7062396

>>7062271
Because screenless tablets are unnatural.

>> No.7062484

How is an ipad air for art?
I main a cintiq 24hd but have a samsung galaxy tab s7+ but it fell in an edge and the glass cracked.
The drawing experience is okay (bare glass and default pen nib) but in the end it's too cumbersome to carry with me (thus I want a smaller tablet) and trying apple pencil in a store it is really nice and I'd like procreate in adition to CSP.
I don't need it as a main driver so I'm reluctant to drop cash money on a pro but also apple is dogshit and they charge a premium for subpar specs so am I gimping myself with just an Air. Theres allegedly new ones comming soon too

I want it for sketching, watching shit and writing notes

>> No.7062492

>>7061347
Didn't sinix share his brush for procreate and corel? https://youtu.be/zC3OxonJcXQ?si=DhSLlgV7eatHOs-2
I see a brushset of his from 2017 maybe its in there. People were thanking him for it so maybe it works? Idk it works for CSP and I was hoping to copy it over

>> No.7062495

>>7061376
>They're lacking a bunch of small things that there's no reason to be lacking
Apple shit in a nutshell

>> No.7062542

>>7062484
>I want it for sketching, watching shit and writing notes
that's the perfect use case for ipads.

>> No.7062543

>>7062542
So will the Air be gucci? Or do you think I should go for a pro

>> No.7062549

>>7062543
I'm not that well versed on apple's lineup, but I don't think there's a particularly big difference between an 11" pro and an ipad air. the big draw to the pro is the 12.9" which you would find too big if you didn't like the size of the tab 7+

>> No.7063000

>>7062484
I have an air 5, it's good enough for drawing imo. I think the main difference between air and pro (other than size) is that pro gets 120hz while air only gets 60, it doesn't bother me but I know some people are anal about this sorta thing. There's also some cursor hover bullshit they used as a selling point for the M2 pros.

>> No.7063714

>>7063000
The Hz I can see as an asset but that hover shit is feankly insulting..
I'm used to 60Hz on my phone but my galaxy tab is 120Hz so I'm not sure if it'll be noticable for me and piss me off.
I'll go try the air and pro in the store again and if I dont mind the Hz I'll get the air then

>> No.7063716

>>7063714
Next air is 120hz oled, expected to be announced next month, wait for it first.

>> No.7063720
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7063720

Got a Galaxy Tab. Which software would you recommend buying? Clip paint is a bit too complex and the UI too busy for what I need right now.

>> No.7063802

Help, I'm using a wacom intuos, is It fucking normal for the thing to develop dead zones?
It has a tendency to simply ignore a very small area of the tablet unless I press on It hard. It fixes Itself for a moment then It decides that some other spot is going to ignore the stylus pressing on It. The way It's cutting off my strokes is fucking infuriating and I tried reinstalling the drivers, cleaning the surface, changing the nub on the stylus and nothing helps. I'm losing my shit here
I do draw on the thing daily for three years now, could that be It? Should I just buy a new tablet?

>> No.7063842

>>7063720
just switch to simple mode
otherwise infinite painter

>> No.7064159

>>7063720
Hipaint or infinite painter if you don't want to pay for csp subscription

>> No.7064327

>>7063802
>is it fucking normal
It shouldn't be. Contact wacum support first and see if it's cheaper to get it fixed vs buying a new one.

>> No.7064371

>>7059051
Would getting a gen 3 with a TB's worth of storage get you as many layers in something like procreate that a later model would?

>> No.7064426

>>7064371
Storage doesn't matter for layers, ram does.
You can have a lot of layers already anyway though.

>> No.7064753
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7064753

using clip studio on a wacom cintiq
does anybody else get this bug when you alt tab back to the program and the tilt or brush pressure gets completely fucked and you have to wait a few seconds for it to go back to normal? i dont know how to fix it and its annoying

>> No.7064791

>>7064753
I have this issue occasionally too, using intuos pro. I thought it was something everyone experiences.

>> No.7065358

>>7064791
I've literally never had this problem before

>> No.7065902

>>7060134
For the really pro line Wacom goes super retarded with the pricing. $2000 is a steal compared to the Cintiq 27 pro. When Huion releases its lower lines it will probably be similar performance to Wacom equivalents for 60% of the price

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LOL

>> No.7066237

>>7060209
Me I'll go with the XP-Pen Pro 16. Both of them will work just great.

>> No.7066718

>>7066211
N-no wacom is perfect :(

>> No.7067347

>>7065902
I guess I just figure if you're willing to drop 2 grand on a tablet, you'd probably be willing to drop $3500 too, since at that point it's probably for work. Would be really interesting to know how the huion is though

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7067693

are metal nibs a thing for the XP Pen Deco 01 v2 pen? i just want a more tactile feel since putting paper of the screen stops working after the normal plastic nib wears down a bit

>> No.7067749

>>7067693
Do metal nibs not scratch the shit out of the tablet?

>> No.7067775

>>7067749
dunno, but i'd be placing a piece of paper on my tab, so it shouldn't scuff it up

>> No.7067944

>>7067775
I didn't have any luck finding metal nibs, but you can google p05 metal nibs and see if you can find them. maybe give felt nibs a try, or just get a 50 pack of plastic ones for $10

>> No.7068668

Lightning deal on Amazon for a couple of the different Kamvas Pros. You've got like 5 minutes though.

>> No.7068694

Anyone got their hands on the Kamvas Pro 19? Would love to hear reviews

>> No.7068830

>>7068694
>$1100 for a 19" tablet
No thank you, huicom.
I know some youtubers have videos out though if you want to watch any of them.

>> No.7068864

>>7068830
I don't want table hoggers, if they can come up with a portable 21 I'd obviously be all over that

And that is pretty much why I'm asking here, I don't want opinions from jewtube shillers

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>>7068864
No idea how it is, but this is going to be the closest you'll get I think.

>> No.7068887

Wait, people really use protectors for SCREENLESS tablets? Why.

>> No.7068892

>>7068867
That's not portable

I need the 19" form factor but at 21" size, and it doesn't exist, hence why I'm looking at the 19. It huicom starting to become jewcom? Yea maybe 100-150 bucks less would be good.

>> No.7068896

>>7068892
How is the 19 portable?

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7068928

>>7068896
If it doesn't need a monitor arm, it's portable

Now go back to the brainlet department

>> No.7068939

>>7068928
By that logic, every tablet they make is portable. The 24 plus comes with a folding stand.

>> No.7070283

>>7068928
>the tablet that requires a desktop is more portable than the standalone because neither one requires a monitor arm
What the fuck am I reading? How are you going to comment on anyone else be a brainlet?

>> No.7070659

Im going to order a galaxy tab today cause I can get work to buy it for me. They all come with the s-pen? And the most important thing seems to be size as in get the 14.6 inch one? Storage is meaningless since I have extra sd cards. s9 ultra I suppose. Anyone have any advice on what model or spec?

>> No.7070751

>>7070659
If your job is buying it, just get the best model. Or is there a price limit?

>> No.7070775

>>7070659
The S series all come with the S pen but they don't have SD card slots so make sure to get enough storage

>> No.7071206

Is paint tool SAI good?
Ive been drawn on it some months but idk

>> No.7071214

>>7071206
it's okay. if I were a poorfag and didn't want to buy csp, I would probably use krita before sai. but there are pros that use sai still

>> No.7071278

>>7071206
I don't know why but I fucking love painting on SAI, there's something about it that other programs don't. Too bad I'm used to CSP's features or I'd probably grab SAI2.

>> No.7071357

>>7071206
Paint Tool SAI is great. It's focus is on single illustrations though so if you're interested in animation or comics there are programs that are better for that.

>> No.7071455

Seems like the imminent iPad Air would be essentially like the current iPad Pro with 12.9” screen and M2, which I assume will include hover. I doubt they’d put 120hz in the air but happy to be proven wrong.
From what I understand, the M3 would be overkill as the M2 isn’t even being pushed at the moment

>> No.7072065

can you help me decide which drawing tablet i should choose?

pen tablets are more ergonomic and cheaper while pen display can make drawing faster and is more accurate

>> No.7072105

is pen pressure a meme? i read before that it really maxed out at 1k-ish levels, is this true?

>> No.7072129

>>7072065
personally I fucking hate pen tablets and avoid them like the plague. attempting to draw with one for a few years made me almost drop digital entirely,
the poor ergonomics of a pen display are greatly exaggerated if you don't set it up like a fucking retard. just position it the same way you would when drawing with trad art. prop it up and at a near vertical angle so you aren't constantly looking down
>>7072105
that's not a huge difference between 1024 and 8k (or 16k) levels of pressure sensitivity in real world use, but no, it doesn't max out at 1k. with linux someone showed that it maxes at 2048, but assuming you aren't using a hipster operating system, you do genuinely have the number of levels as advertised.

>> No.7072761

>>7071455
Yes, and Oled is a meme if it doesn’t cost the same as the mini-led Pro. Aren’t you glad you waited a few days?

>> No.7073049

>>7072761
I'm a retard that doesn't understand all the different screen types
Redpill me on ips, oled, led, mini led, lcd, lsd, umlaut, whatever the fuck else there is. I've always just heard oled gud, but have seen several people here shit on it

>> No.7073171

they successfully memed me into buying an Intuos 3 and honestly I'm very content.
$50 for the size (PTZ-930) and performance I got is an absolute steal, super happy with it.

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>>7039802
What's the concensus on the XP-pen artist pro 24?
Personally I'd get a Cintiq 22 but the model doesnt sell in my country and the only big sized screen tablet available is the XP pen and Huions but I hate their donut pen holder.

>> No.7073350

Samsung tablet A8, is it good for drawing?

>> No.7073389

>>7073242
Huion 24 plus is the same price or 22 plus is cheaper
Both are better options from my experience. The xp pen artist 24 uses a screen protector instead of etched glass, has an impossible to calibrate contrast so everything is oversaturated, and the pen was off by ~1mm no matter how many times I tried to recalibrate it. Someone said this is just a matter of taking the pen apart and tightening one screw, but why bother when the huion didn't have that problem or either of the others?
Also a minor difference, but the xp pen stylus has a lot longer nib which felt weird to use.

If you already had one it would be totally fine, but if given options, the huion equivalents are noticeably better

>> No.7073420

>>7073350
while the 2019 A8 does support S pen i doubt the experience is very pleasant
depending on the price it might be worth a try, but there's no reason going lower than an S6 Lite right now

>> No.7073423

>>7073420
They are getting more expensive by the day fuug

>> No.7073969

>>7073171
I find it hard to believe there is a single person looking for a pen tablet that would be discontent with an Intuos 3.

>> No.7073991

anyone got a kamvas 19? I've been thinking of getting one, but I've heard some people say the screen is blurry

>> No.7073998

>>7073991
Got me to check their leddit lol

We can never escape wacum can we

>> No.7074323

>>7039802
Is upgrading from an XP-Pen Deco 01 V2 to a Wacom Cintiq Pro 27 worth it? I've been content with the drawing tablet I've been using for years but I'm considering getting a new drawing tablet since I'm trying to get serious about animation.

Also is getting a new tablet off eBay or Craigslist a good idea?

>> No.7074823

>>7074323
Going from a $50 to a $4000 tablet is pretty wild and overkill. Most pros are using 16 or 24" tablets

>> No.7075209

>>7074823
Yeah you're right I don't know what I was thinking. I think I'll just go for a Cintiq 16/24 Pro.

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7075232

What are some good wireless display tablets? I have a wacom one atm, but the wires and lack of flexibility are starting to wear on my wrists and I'm in need of an alternative.
>Just use an iPad with Duetdisplay or Spacepad
I tried, and they're ass

>> No.7075251

>>7075232
s9 ultra with superdisplay

>> No.7075255

>>7075232
Xp pen magical drawing pad (mixed reviews)
Kamvas slate 10 (mostly negative reviews)
Ipad which you didn't like
Samsung tab s_ (similar to ipad)
Surface pro 8/9 (similar to iPad but full windows)
Kamvas studio 16

Expect to drop $500 at a minimum if buying new, unless you get a tab s6 lite.

>> No.7075390

>>7075255
>tab s6 lite
is this thing actually any good?

>> No.7075406

>>7075390
It's just okay.

>> No.7075412

>>7075406
gonna kms

>> No.7075836

>>7075412
Why? It's not bad. It's not amazing. It
>just werks.

>> No.7076277

>>7075836
i heard samsung is going to release another new s6 lite model this year

>> No.7076294

>>7075251
>>7075255
I probably should've added "that allows you to connect to and use csp on your computer", but regardless these are some good recommendations. Much thanks

>> No.7076815

>>7076277
Haven't they rereleased it a dozen times by now? What's the difference between all these S6 lites? Just system update cycles?

>> No.7076869

>>7076815
this is the second refresh for the s6 lite, they keep everything exactly the same but update the chipset to keep them about the same as their latest A series tablets
it's just a way for samsung to get people through the door into their tablet ecosystem, the idea is probably to have the people using S6 Lites upgrading to a proper S series down the line

>> No.7077350

>>7076815
it's a decent portable tablet if you have no plans shilling a few hundred bucks for an ipad

>> No.7077640

So, can I use Intuos 3 with win11 ?

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7077655

>>7077640
ok, i just ordered it. 32$

>> No.7077679

What are the options for overhand grip stylus? I think this was discussed a while back, iirc iPad/Apple pen was the best bet. Has anything new come out? Not necessarily looking for display tablet but I think it makes the most sense.

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7077685

>>7077679
The apple pencil and the S-Pen creator edition are the only ones I know of that have tips thick enough to use in overhand grip

>> No.7077871

>>7077640
You might need to install some specific Wacom driver since they removed support for the Intuos 3 some time ago, or just use OpenTabletDriver which is a bit of a hassle to set up and doesn't support the touch strips but actively supports the Intuos 3. If somehow that Wacom driver stops working OpenTabletDriver will be the only alternative.

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7078102

What's the absolute cheapest drawing tablet worth buying? Something that won't feel like a waste of money if I give up next week.
Asked in the beginner thread (before I noticed the tech thread) and was recommended an XP pen deco, wondering if it's easier to use the kind with a screen vs without given a screen seems to add $100+ to the price

>> No.7078123

Any dealbreaker difference between the tab s6 lite and the tab s6? The later went on sale right now and I want to buy it

>> No.7078202

>>7078102
Buy 2nd hand and flip for what you bought it for if you don't like it.
Display tablets are a lot easier to use since it's basically like drawing traditionally just with a different canvas and pen. Pen tablets have an unnatural disconnect that takes getting used to.
Alternatively depending on how long you think you'll want to do your trial run, you could buy new from somewhere with an east return policy and just return it if you don't like it.

If neither of those sound appealing to you, xp pen deco 01 v2 for pen tablets, or a kamvas 16 2021 or Samsung s6 lite for ~$200-250 for display tablets.
If you go the Samsung route, even if you end up wanting a full size desktop setup, you have it for mobile sketching which is nice.

>> No.7078250

reminder in every thread that right now in this moment and date you are ok buying any tablet-device of the top brands: apple, huion, samsung, wacom, xp-pen, in their screen and non screen options, and at least anything from 2018-19 to this day, since all of them already reach a peak point in tech and the differences are minimal, and because of that you only need to focus in the other points that are design, construction, accessories, and accessibility, not "in wich one you draw better" anymore.
My personal advice is focus on reviews and comments about the quality of the cables, yep.

This is because even the screens are already proven to last several years without scratches, that's why my comment about any model post 2018-2019 because starting from those i have knowledge of models with screens intact to this day (like the kamvas 16 normal, or almost any samsung screen even more far like 2014). So you need to consider cables because if your model last for many years, and the cable dont, you are gonna buy another cable so availability will be a new factor, that you maybe dont want to add. But yeah most of the modern models have great durability in construction of the device and connections

>> No.7078266

>>7078123
If it's cheaper, or within like 50 bucks of the S6 lite, the OG S6 is actually not a bad idea since the original chipset from 2019 is actually faster than even the 2022 refresh Lite
One caveat I'd suggest you watch out for is to get the 6 or preferably 8GB version of the S6 if you can since it'll actually make a pretty big difference in drawing performance

>> No.7078268

>>7078250
Now why would you go and post common sense information like this?

>> No.7078372

>>7078123
nvn it was actually the lite version, is just the store didn't write the full name.
>>7078266
Thanks, I bought the thing
Any good apps for drawing? (I installed CSP but it seems like I need to buy a license, can I pirate this or are there any alternatives?)

>> No.7078383

>>7078372
You can get 6 months of CSP free if you download it from the galaxy store
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/galaxy/
Otherwise there's Infinite Painter, HiPaint, Sketchbook, IbisPaint X, Krita etc it comes down to preference really

>> No.7078448

I have a Galaxy s7+.
Is it worth trading in for a s9 ultra?
The extra size seems great but I dunno if it's worth it just for that.
Would get 600 bucks off with the trade in.

>> No.7078461

>>7078448
Probably not worth it, the extra size is great but it also makes it less portable if you wanna use it outside your room.
Having used both a 12.4" and 14.6" galaxy, I'd say the 12.4" is the sweet spot BUT the extra size of the 14.6" is great for keeping references open on the same screen while still having ample drawing space

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>>7078383
weird question but which of these apps let's me draw like the pencil in mspaint (not a brush itself but something like pic related)

>> No.7079107

>>7078715
you mean without anti aliasing?

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I'm gonna be teaching a basic art class at a rec center in the summer at 2 places. One place has a projector screen and the other one only has outlet plugs (meaning I need to bring a projector).
I've been very hesitant before the job was confirmed in getting a portable drawing tablet because of a lot of workflow concerns. But now I really do need a drawing laptop for 3 reasons
>Need an hdmi/vga connection for the projector
>Need to present power point material to the kids
>Need to draw & have the students follow along
I like my Cintiq but that thing has 5 wires to set up which is way too impractical for the setup-takedown time
Any suggestions

>> No.7079150

>>7079125
there's no whiteboard?

>> No.7079163

>>7079125
Why not just get a regular screenless tab

>> No.7079165

>>7079125
white paper sheets
or a slightly more expensive S9 Ultra tablet

>> No.7079199

>>7079125
personally I would either go with a basic pen tablet, or a samsung tab s_ with a usb c to hdmi adapter.
If you're teaching, I think the basic pen tablet would probably be better though. I think it would let you engage with students more.

>> No.7079264

>>7079107
Sort of yeah, without blur

>> No.7079281

>>7079264
So hard round?

>> No.7079373

>>7039802
>Recommended Software
For the left handed: Download autohotkey and set a script to use your right hand on your keyboard numpad
Basic script (Brush, Eraser, Undo)
>>numapd1::b
>>numpad2::e
>>numpad3::^z

>> No.7079374

>>7079373
Why not just chang the the shortcuts in the software?

>> No.7079378

>>7079374
Can't do it with numpad in Photoshop, for example

>> No.7079380

>>7079378
Damn really? What shit software.

>> No.7079404

>>7079380
True.
Started as a Photoshop fanboy then switched to CSP and never came back to Adobe for drawing/painting
.abr works in CSP without lagging
Waiting for CSP v3 for the simple ui to work on desktop
Tho none can beat Procreate, imo

>> No.7079421

mouse drawing tips?

>> No.7079426

>>7079421
Low your brushes opacity/flow and slowly overpaint everything
Get a cheap gaming mouse with high DPI

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>>7079125
Same anon here
>>7079150
Nope
>>7079163
I do have one, an 11-14 year old Wacom Bamboo. But I prefer screen for the sake of speed and flow sake. I've only been using screen for over a year though so it wouldn't be hard to go back
>>7079199
Will think about this, dunno how samsung tablets go with powerpoints. Maybe google slides could work. May even just buy a regular laptop and connect it to a samsung just to jump back and forth from technical slides to art

>> No.7079460

>>7079457
android can run most of office natively and if you only need to present stuff and not make it on the device i think google slides can read them no problem too

>> No.7079678

Should I pop a new bread in the oven or wait until we hit page 10 like you're supposed to?

>> No.7079737

thoughts on the S9 fe+?

>> No.7080105

>>7080104
New new new
>>7080104
New new new
>>7080104