/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7069737
being correct is not important

>>7069742
fpwp

>>7069737
Lots:
1. Most anons do not draw enough. Go to YouTube and look up CalArts and SVA sketchbooks, those kids are so good because they draw everything. They go out to a restaurant and draw it, they hang out with their friends and draw it, they draw their bedroom, their stuff, they just go on Pinterest looking for anything to draw because it's so fun. Draw a lot.

2. Warm up before drawing. If you're gonna draw for 4 hours, the first 30 minutes to an hour are usually gonna be garbage. I know of professionals who will usually start their day with the easiest stuff knowing that they will draw better as the day goes on. Don't pick up your pen instantly thinking that you're gonna make good stuff, your hand needs some time to coordinate every day.

3. Research. Drawing something convincingly means you know the subject inside and out enough to completely recreate it and 99% of the time that just isn't true. Don't read a book and assume you're done, constantly refer back to it. Collect books, magazines, watch documentaries, look at catalogues, try to learn about the thing you're drawing. Kim Jung Gi had an entire library and said he would study reference material for HOURS. James Gurney has an actual degree in archeology, he didn't just look at a few reference images and magically know how to paint dinos and cities from his head.

4. If you're going to study something, do it a hundred times. Don't draw 3-4 of something and wonder "am I doing this right?" fill up a few pages, you'll definitely learn something. So many hours looking at books and courses wondering if the advice is right for you when you could just be doing it anyways and learning 10x as fast.

5. Study from life. So many questions could be answered by looking up from your monitor and looking at the thing you're trying to draw. How a face changes in perspective, how hair is shaped, what emotions look like, how someone sits down, how they hold their phone, all things that life can teach.

Drawing should be fun

>>7069737
say no to vaccines

feel the form

>>7069826
Points 1 and 4 are incredibly good. Brings me back to when I was also trying to get into calarts and drawing everywhere. I lost my entire friend group because i would draw instead of talking to them. never got into calarts in the end. fell into a depressive spiral and cut of all contacts during college. oh well. i got a lot better at drawing though, and now I'm here with you guys.

And about point 4, I also recently discovered that just drawing the same thing 100+ times is more efficient than fumbling from reference to reference, never really memorizing and mastering anything. Part of the idea about sketching with pen, is that you're bound to mess it up. When you mess up, draw it again. And again. And again. And eventually, by the 50th attempt, you can easily one shot in the shapes directly in ink. You'll have totally mastered that form by doing it that many times. Great way solidify your anatomy and face construction. Anons here are too lazy to do it though.

Learn basic forms ie cube sphere cone cylinder
Always work general to specific (big to small)
Learn then forget (learn something ie perspective so well it becomes unconscious)
Everything is relational ie this to this that to that value proportion edge colour ect ect
Draw from life as much as possible

Drawing is the foundation of painting

>>7069737
People doesn't care how anatomically correct you can draw

>>7069853
Forgot pic
Also based loomis
See 1-4

>>7069826
4th one is what i needed to hear. I've been studying heads since forever and kept coming back bit by bit better but never fully because i didn't do enough and i just realized that problem is i didn't do enough heads. Pewds sketched a page full of while i do maybe one or two a day , no wonder why i'm slow burn

>>7069840
That's something else I see, a lot of anons are reluctant to draw the same thing again. It's like "oh, I failed, better DRAW SOMETHING ELSE". What? Some artists are drawing the exact same thing for hours until they get it right.

>>7069864
Definitely, spend a decent amount of time with it. Maybe set aside an entire week that's just "head week" where the only thing you're doing is heads and head-related drawings. It will give yourself a lot of time to really immerse yourself and take things into your long-term memory.

>>7069826
cont.

6. Study other artists. Professionals are out here buying artbooks and doing thumbnail studies of EVERY PIECE IN THE BOOK and anons will say "I don't want to become a copy of someone else." Humans have had thousands of years to build off of each other and iterate on art and some artists think that reinventing the wheel and spending 10 years learning what people already knew is a good use of their time. Learn some fundamentals, study how your favorite artists use it in their work, the things that you like will naturally find their way into your own work in your own way.

7. Study film. Sketches and stylized art looks pretty but high-budget films are hundreds of people working together for years to craft powerful images. Experts on staging, color, set design, lighting, and costuming all coming together to produce media for us to study and a lot of anons ignore it. To a lot of professionals, film studies are a daily habit that has them constantly training their senses of lighting and composition.

8. Keep the anatomy book open. This is kinda branching off of Point 3 but for figure drawing specifically. Most anatomy books are not designed to be read and discarded, they are a constant source of information that is made to be referenced while working on your art. Most anatomy books are also not made to teach you drawing from imagination, you are meant to look at the book and then look at real models.

>>7069737
If you draw for the sole purpose of earning money or likes/follows, it will feel like a dead-end job and you will burn out over and over.

>>7069737
If you're drawing all day instead of prompting, it's because you're using art as an escape from your true dream of prompting. Don't live in denial. Adapt today and you too can prompt all day instead of drawing.

>>7069737
only take advice from someone that posts their work

>>7069826
Good advice, anon. Much appreciated

draw everything using references in private
draw everything from imagination and construction in public

It's far more important to draw something you enjoy daily than draw purely as an exercise yearly.

>>7069737
Stop drawing anime its fucking up your knowledge and ruining your own style. Focus in developing your mental pictures with natural landscapes or real people. People waste so much time trying to copy their favorite anime, trust me theres a reason why almost EVERYONEs first drawings are anime characters and feel frustrated because they never look the same its like shooting your own foot trying to copy someone elses style

>>7070196
Who bitch this is

>>7069826
I'll do point 4 and then report back. Such an obvious point and yet and I didn't do it

>>7070110
I'm basically doing this now that I'm in college. Studies in the morning, fun sketches at night

>>7069737
Drawing is a tool
You will never create unless you fundamentally realize this

>>7069737
keep you confidence high during a piece. There are times when the drawing will look like shit (first stages of a painting, first lineart), just keep going and don't lose focus. It will stop looking like shit if you just keep concentrated, but if you lose confidence and focus it will end up looking like shit

Stop drawing anime.

Keep drawing anime.

>>7070897
Wrong thought unless you are a third worlder who needs first world coom bucks to survive your shit hole of a country.

Your studies should be focused more on volume than polish. I fell into this trap of making my studies pretty but you really just need to draw, and draw a lot

>>7070925
anime isn't real, it can't hurt you

>>7070948
It stagnates the curious artist. You can see this in a lot of new beginner artists once they realize that achieving a stylized rendition of a human is not enough to keep their mind and eyes fresh with artistic challenges like light/shadow, form, composition, etc. Especially when the artist gets distracted with stylization and the money achieved from being known for such style.

(Although this is coming from someone who likes black and white movies, realism, and very dry southern and Russian literature. And doesn't hang out with other artists very much.)

>>7070992
what are you even on about

>>7071020
You wouldn't understand.

Every piece you do (or post online) should be treated by you as a brick to the monument that is your art. Don't spread yourself thin. Double down and focus your work.

>>7070246
A tranny named Alisa Chung

>>7069737

betty edwards lead me to the river, but I cannot drink from it. only stare

>>7071314
何を言ってんだ?わからん。。。

>>7070246
that's a man with dick and balls
>>7070992
cease your yapping

>>7069883
>>7069826
Sage advice, anon. Thank you

>>7070992
What if I draw both realism and anime?

>better health
>better artist
Fixing your diet, and sleep cycle helps with physical and mental well-being and therefore makes you a better creative individual.

>>7071495
not only that, if you deadlift and bench enough weight you will be able to get a cute gf to encourage you through your drawing slumps, unconditionally showering you with love

>>7071497
>unconditionally
even if I lose my gains?

>>7071499
catch her once, and you've caught her for life

>>7071517
>because of the implication
gotcha

>>7071537
are there any other disciplines that get this sentiment other than drawing? With things like music and writing I think most would agree that while you'd have an advantage learning from a young age, most adults could probably them pick up and get to a reasonable level with enough practice. Why does art seem so much less accessible?

>>7069737
1. Online art communities like discord are a waste of time.

2. Don't preserve an idea until you're "good enough". Start working on it and get better along the way, better ideas will come.

>>7069840
Weird that you can't draw and talk at the same time
I've not done it too much but I've had situations in the past where I'd bring a sketchbook and either phone or tablet and I would just sit with a person and talk to them and the whole time I'm drawing on autopilot
If you are a brainlet wordcel who needs to think sentences to yourself to perform the reasoning associated with drawing maybe you will struggle, but I think visually and was already thinking visually before I learned how to talk (sperg) and I can run the visual processor in my head at the same time as the language processor without them interfering with or stealing power supply from each other
The results both main times were some pages full of absolute random shit that came up in the conversation, including a crude approximation of my friend's big flaccid dick from memory. He thought that was very funny
"Looks just like me"

>>7071678
>2. Don't preserve an idea until you're "good enough". Start working on it and get better along the way, better ideas will come.
This
You can always go back and use the hilarious bad fuckup you tried to make as a blueprint for doing it with your vastly advanced skills later

how did Kim died? was it really due to vaxxmaxxing?>>7069830
alzo this >>7069835

>>7071705
aortic dissection. Yoshifumi Kondo(ghibli animator/director) died of the exact same thing at the exact same age. Kim had diabetes type 2 also. on a livestream about a year before covid he said he noticed he'd been drawing a lot of hospital stuff because he's been going to them more often.
basically drew and drank(coke) to his death.

>>7069829
Smile when you draw

>>7070196
/ic/ in a nutshell:
>Draw what you like. You'll feel motivated and get better
also
>Don't draw anime (what you like). It cripples you
hmm...

>>7070947
Oh, at first I thought you meant that we should focus on capturing the main volume of the object.
Then I realized what you meant. I actually didn't work on polish at all and suffer from high volume, low quality work.

>>7071614
Because you still gotta hardcore grind for years to really get good and if you're hyper ambitious and wanna become one of the greats or something a lot of those guys did start drawing when they were kids and it wasn't the doodling cartoons, it was learning from real professionals so by the time they were like 20-22 years old they had already drawn for a decade.
And as much as technology gives us "advantages" over older artists like cintiqs, pro cameras, slow-mo, able to basically take photos/videos anywhere with small devices like smartphones or that dji gimbal thing, older artists were just focusing on the grind and they didn't have billions of movies, vidya or social media.
Everything we have comes at a great cost of everybody in life trying to waste your time and thinks you're "odd" and "strange" for not having seen some dumb movie or tv show that probably sucks

>>7071991
Stop listening to retards

>>7071991
>summarizing the advice of an entire board of multiple people doesn’t result in a singular non-contradictory stance
Hmm

>>7071991
You didn't read his post, he says people waste their time trying to copy from anime like the tards over at /asg/ instead of learning how to actually draw. Once you learn how to draw you may reference from others who draw in that style but you should still avoid anime in itself and instead study from Manga. If you don't know how to draw yet you'll cripple yourself and even become disheartened after realizing you don't know how to draw you only know how to copy.

>>7071614
art is the most opaque, magical art form, in terms of technical skill. People see a skill artist just put down lines exactly where they're supposed to go and are like "wtf how do you do that???" They don't know what kind of technical knowledge could even go into helping a human being perform such a skill and are unsure that it can even be learned. seems like skilled artists are just born

>t. that was me, 8 years ago, before finding Loomis

>>7071719
American poison to his Asian genes.

>>7071994
Just take your high volume of studies and refine them now. Ezpz
Captcha:HAPYA

>>7071614
surfing, there is no coaching, book, or regimen for surfing. Hell people don’t even know what makes a surfer good. 99% of the information and guidance for surfing is indistinguishable from instagram grifting. If you ask surfers what makes them good most will be unable to say or point out they started in early childhood. I say this as a permabeg surfer who has gone 2-4 times a week for 4 years and I still suck ass.

>>7071719
fug. i liked him as a person. rip king

>>7069737
>measure... alot
>less is more

>>7069883
>7. Study film
I don’t want to derail this thread, but what films would anyone recommend studying from? Any with top notch cinematography?

>>7069737
Practice your fundies. Fundies are all encompassing. You will never escape your fundies whatever you do. Just to name a few:

>Make art with shit
>Make art with glass
>Make sculptures
>Animating in 3D
>Taking photos
>Make art with AI and making it yours.

>>7071686
Hilarious Zooming Krueger post, kek.
No, you are not good at multitasking, no matter how much you believe it.

You might be better off doing it than being ADHD and improductive, but nothing beats full concentration in whatever it is that you're doing, cope and seethe.

Draw what must be drawn. If you want it you should take it, that can mean having to knuckle down on multiple levels just to attempt wholeheartedly. But why draw any other way?

The rule of "don't over" is what I learn during the archtetural drawing in college:

-Don't overthink
-Don't overcomplicate
-Don't oversimplificate
-Don't overestimate yourself

>>7073724
waw it's almost like adding the word "over" can make anything bad

>>7069826

>>7073728
it's over...

>>7073749
hey now, hey now
dont dream

>>7073017
WLOP, from the root word "SLOP"

>>7073724
Most people don’t simplify enough in the beginning, so don’t worry about overdoing it. I keep forgetting to do that myself when painting, but I do it all the time when drawing. Guess which I’ve done the most. We need to build our habits by repetition

>>7073017
lmao pic unrelated?
>grab free random 3D assets
>bash together a scene
>add lightsource
>click render
>photobash a goose in
>badlydrawnanimegirlspeedpaint.jpeg ontop of it

>>7074301
If it's so easy, where is your pic that looks better than that?
>I don't draw
oh.

>>7074301
>goose

>>7074327

>>7074301
Look you little shit, doesn't matter what you do AI or whatnot, your image will still look like shit without fundies.

>>7070502
Elaborate, please

>>7074378
Just prompt
Doesn't matter that you need artists to feed the AI since it can't create, just photobash from what you feed it, just shut up and proooompt

>>7069826
fuck you, 1 and 4 are true.

what was the name of the calarts lengend teacher with tons of blackboard drawings and studies?

>>7069737
>For me, it's drawing directly with a pen. Being able to one shot your shapes and form in with minimal construction is extremely important.
Similarly, you can do croquis drawing, and by that, I don't mean you necessarily need to go and draw live models (though it's good if you do) it's more about setting yourself a hard time limit and drawing what you see as fast as possible. I'm talking setting the timer somewhere around 2-5 minutes for a figure drawing. This means you won't have time to turtle around and fix your mistakes, you just have to one shot everything and rely more on your gut than on exact measurements.
You can also combine it with drawing with pen.

>>7074440
i feel like that only works if you actually go and try it again, and again, gradually getting more accurate. otherwise, you're just being sloppy for no reason

>>7074429
I don't know about CalArts but there's an ArtCenter teacher named Will Weston who does those

>>7073014
Most films will have something you can pull from them. If you can't think of any movies, go to websites like shot.cafe and filmgrab and look around for ones that look interesting. Here are some personal recommendations that I've studied before:
- Anything by Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, David Fincher, or Denis Villeneuve
- The Night of the Hunter
- Annihilation
- NOPE
- Puss in Boots: The Last Wish (seriously, it's good)
- Her
- Decision to Leave
- The Haunting, 1963 version
- Hereditary
- A Monster in Paris, pretty mid movie but I thought it had some good colors
- The Joker
- Suspiria, either one but the original has stronger colors
- The Grand Budapest Hotel

>>7074516
All forms of practice have to be done again and again. Did you think it was going to be any other way?

>>7074528
>Will Weston
thats the one thanks anon

>>7069737
Just Draw.

>>7069737
"line quality" is a myth, no one actually cares. if your drawing is good then it doesn't matter at all what the lines look like

>>7074584
most people don't redraw what they just did anon

>>7069826
>2. Warm up before drawing. If you're gonna draw for 4 hours, the first 30 minutes to an hour are usually gonna be garbage. I know of professionals who will usually start their day with the easiest stuff knowing that they will draw better as the day goes on. Don't pick up your pen instantly thinking that you're gonna make good stuff, your hand needs some time to coordinate every day.
Reminds me of when I used to fill this out everytime before drawing, maybe I should restart

>>7076197

>>7076203

>>7076170
You don't have to draw literally the same time again. Though if we're talking about life drawing a lot of the poses and angles tend to get repeated.
Yes, drawing fast will get you sloppy looking results at first but you'll get better and that steady hand will translate to better slower drawings as well.

>>7076600
I don't think that's true
practicing being sloppy will just result in being sloppy consistently

>>7076615
Being slow is not a skill.

>>7077023
slow is smooth, smooth is fast

>>7076615
>you need to practice walking perfectly steadily, if you wobble or fall over then you'll never be able to walk

>>7077048
you don't learn to walk by running and falling over and over

>>7076600
>>7076615
you need both. drawing a lot is important (100 vases vs. 1 perfect vase story) and to draw accurately/patiently
you'd self correct over time or you should, if you're being wise with your study

>>7073014
just some recs of the top of my head, tho I dont particularly enjoy movies so my taste is off

denis villeneuve in general, try bladerunner 2049 and dune
david fincher in general, try the social network and mindhunter (also the killer, new one)
anything by emmanuel lubezki, like the revenant and birdman
the shining (I havent seen kubricks other films but they are probably good)
the seventh seal
martyrs (this may be disturbing)
the neon demon
a cure for wellness

>>7072403
very nice!

>>7070196
Cute femcel

>>7074380
>>7070502
>just reduce creativity to prompt slop
Average souless demon.
You will never be a real human being, just a mockery of perfected technology as a bio-machine.
You lack direction, you lack understanding, you lack the very essence of humanity.
You will never create, you will never have children, all you will ever have is the emptyness of the void filling your head and heart.

>>7078423
You claim to have a soul but you couldn't even detect the fact that I was talking shit about AI in >>7074380
How can you have a soul if you can't detect irony?

>>7078607
This is where you are wrong: I was ironically schizoposting and you took me seriously.
Once again, you've been outed as a bugman.
Also that doesn't make your posts good anyway, just saying.

>>7069737
Read Loomis that guy is a God among Japanese.
He, Jack hamm and Vilppu are industry standards in both Manga and Anime.

you can measure a lot quicker by turning on the grid

>>7069737
>Eventually, you'll memorize those shapes and drawing will no longer be a struggle
My memory is shit, tho. I still fuck up limbs from the front.

>>7069829
>>7071725
Can vouch. I've overlooked the "have fun" rule with drawing. It's simple self-observation but I find myself happier with the outcome of drawings I've actively enjoyed making, thus actively inclined to make more. It's especially why >>7071678 second point applies. You want try your fun idea while you find it fun. Worst case scenario, it never happens.
Drawing is meant for people who enjoy drawing and overcoming its challenges, as with any hobby. It's easier to improve when you actually want to improve, so make it fun, don't be afraid, take breaks, smile.

>>7069737
1. If you dont want to get replaced by AI you need to have higher artistic goals than mindlessly copying the current twitter accounts and trends. Be honest with yourself, is that really what you wanna draw?

2. Take inspiration from multiple places (especially real life), if you limit your inspiration to just one specific media/genre/format etc you will create nothing really that original no matter how much you try, once you do that you will realize how many shitty drawing habits you had because you were just that mentally limited

3. For the love of God, stop trying to reach perfection, stop trying to reach peak beauty, stop trying to reach the greatest skills. This is correlated to the first tip, if all you can do is how pretty you can make this floating character in a white background doing a mildly complex pose then you WILL be replaced by AI

4. If you are at /beg/ level delete the mental image you have in your head that drawing is about lines and linework, drawing is about shapes and constructions, you need to see things by their shape not by their lines

5. If you are at /int/ level and theres something you cant do and wish you could like color, backgrounds, perspective my advice is to literally just do it, do it right now, that might seem silly but I've seen so many people that have a decent amount of skills that refuse to start doing something simple like coloring just because they are fearful they might suck. If you don't want to suck, start to do it right now regardless of the outcome.

6. Again, if you are a /beg/ another advice i can give you is to >>>>>>>>>always<<<<<<<<< keep your old drawings, preferably on a notebook or similar where you can easily just go and see what you where doing 2 months ago, trust me, even when at the most shit ass levels you will notice the difference in skill

>>7079719
7. Lastly for the /int/s my advice is to consume more art related media that arent just art tutorials (tutorials are also extremely important for tip 5 so apply them as you wish), it doesnt really matter much what it is but just consume more and more varied stuff.
The reason i think you should do that is because of a recent experience i had where i spent 4/3 months without drawing thanks to life reasons, only consuming what was on my feed and some art related stuff, eventually when i came back i had a realization that i somehow was drawing better after a month long period of literally not touching a pencil.
I came to the conclusion with some friends of mine that if you are at certain level, understanding art and drawing is just as important as actually exercing your hand.
All of this of course will only work if you actually understand what you are consuming and not just doing it mindlessly

>>7069859
>Loomis invented Minecraft
I kneeru

Bump

asking for an advice that helps me stop hoarding video courses and artbooks

>>7082830
pick one teacher to worship, and delete everything else that wasn't from that teacher

>>7071705
Who can say? He was probably more vulnerable to the side effects from his lifestyle. He might have died anyway, but I'll blame the vaxx. Why not?

>>7069826
i think there's a bit of danger in 1. drawing to draw seems good on paper but doing it without thought, getting nothing valuable from it, maybe even infusing a bit of one's ego into it by trying to impress with their sketchbooks (quantity of drawings) aren't good things. i just think there should be a bit of purpose in drawing.

Just Draw.
Trace.
Draw apple and oranges.

>>7069826
>4. If you're going to study something, do it a hundred times. Don't draw 3-4 of something and wonder "am I doing this right?" fill up a few pages, you'll definitely learn something. So many hours looking at books and courses wondering if the advice is right for you when you could just be doing it anyways and learning 10x as fast.

I don’t understand.

Bump

crisp clean lineart is actually bad. You need to show the form in as few lines as possible.

Proof: take a photo of a person and use an art program to turn it into lineart. It will look like shit, but every line is in the correct spot because it came straight from a photo.

>>7087107
>You need to show the form in as few lines as possible
how?

>>7070992
The thing is there isn't just one manga style, of course all of them share some things in common, but everyone has their own style. Some draw with a more realistic approach while still being stylized. Other learn and perfect the stylization. But almost all of them that are worth a damn had to take the time to learn the same things as everyone else PLUS the style (which isnt as easy as it seems)

>>7069826
4th point is a bit ayashii. Isn't interleaved practice supposed to be better for long term learning than blocked practice? Blocked practice might give you amazing results in the short term, which is why you might've listed point 4, but perhaps in the long term, the memories are not as consolidated?

idk...

>>7090866
>but perhaps in the long term, the memories are not as consolidated?
what do mean?
drawing is more of a skill, where you get better with experience

>>7076197
Million thanks for this

Originality is overrated. You find your 'unique' art style by *directly* copying artists you admire - literally, just find artworks by artists you like and recreate it. You'll discover a TON about their process.

I wasted my childhood thinking I had to find my own art style by isolating myself from outside influences. The 'uniqueness' will come naturally through the blend of all the influences you've studied over time.

>>7069737
His head doesn't make sense. Corners of his eye sockets don't match up with the ears

>>7091356
>this is your brain on construction fagging

>>7069830
I'm vaccinated and boosted 2 times and draw for a living.
Sorry for breaking your conspiracy theorist bubble.

The passion for process and drawing itself is the most important. You won't even need discipline or forcing yourself to work hard.

>>7091457
This "passion" shit is fake and gay. Building a habit is the most important thing.

I'd say that if you like (or secretly like) getting praised and you strive for it, accept your narcisistic nature and use it as fuel to get motivated to create, that's what I've been doing for some time

>>7091457
>>7091458
Both of these are important, passion is good too

>>7091356
>Corners of his eye sockets don't match up with the ears
who taught you that nonsense?

Here's what has been working for me based on advice I've picked up here and there
>Project-based training
Going the self-taught route, I've found it easier to stick with studying fundies/techniques/etc., if I choose a piece I want to do that I can apply those things to and then study with the piece. Choose a subject, two or three things to focus on, and then give yourself a deadline (something that allows for mistakes/learning, but also keeps you from indefinitely procrastinating).
>Practice taking pieces to a finish
This is more tied to a pet peeve of mine in the power level threads where some anon posts their work in an unfinished state, gets labeled /beg/ or /permabeg/ and then tries to justify it as a "sketch" or "unfinished." It's one thing to get a good sketch down, it's another to get it to a final product.

>>7069737

>>7069737
Draw symbols and shapes, use more straight lines. Unironically, they just need to look good.

>>7073014
Lawrence of Arabia my friend. dont go with any of that nu-slop; fruit of nepotism are not good study material

>>7069737
Most overlooked I see from a lot of artists I talk to is that they don't have or have a very limited understanding of skeleton and bone structures.
When you're constructing something new or reconstructing what you see in your references, understanding the underlying bone helps give what you draw form. It helps you rotate what you're looking at in your mindseye, it lets you extrapolate from the reference rather than just copy.

Study skeletons. They're fun!

>>7069737
Get ink and a bigger brush. Blobs are a great start. Pencil/thin brush/pen is not great unless you have a visual cortex the size of a building (you don't).

Stop eating seed oils, artificial sweeteners and onions.

>>7087107
>>7087482
Patrick Nagel is best known for this.

>>7096741
doesn't show shit

>>7069826
1 is very true
the moment you stop caring so much about making each drawing better than the next and finally accept that your stuff will look like shit sometimes, you'll be able to draw a lot more

>>7096741
Kim Jung gi too
His big canvases get a lot of attention but check out the videos of him signing books and doing drawings in each one
He uses as few lines as possible and it looks great

>>7069737
>When you do studies, instead of constructing, just lay in what you see directly with a ballpoint pen. Eventually, you'll memorize those shapes and drawing will no longer be a struggle: you'll know directly where to put everything beforehand. No more struggle, no more sketching, no more bad drawings.
a very rare, but very true statement. strange.
it's not promoting any "art cooking book" of the likes that Proko, Bridgeman and Loomis are selling. what is this? could it be that this is actually good advice without the intention of SELLING you shit that has absolutely no guarantee for improvement like a 5K live video course?

I wonder if Proko is actually regularly posting here to sell his absolute shitass cooking recipes for construction.
at this point, I truly believe that /ic/ is being used as promotion for these snake oil sellers. Occasionally someone shares zip archives, but they are often incomplete, hence some of you anons will actually officially buy their products.

Did /ic/ fall for these door to door vacuum salesmen? totally bamboozled

>picrel
>this construction book will turn you into an artist fr fr! no cap

>>7069737
>just lay in what you see directly with a ballpoint pen
It just triggers my ADHD(?) and I end up flailing wildly with a pen with no sense. I need to set up some boundaries or contours.

>>7069883
>doing thumbnail studies of EVERY PIECE IN THE BOOK
Like this? Surprised no one recommends this, but this seems like great advice, but I never see anyone mention thumbnails at all

>>7099484
>I never see anyone mention thumbnails at all
I always felt like they were pointless to me, at least until I was actually capable of finishing a painting well. If I can't even do the finished thing, what's the point of all the quick studies? I need to grind still lives and figure drawings more...

>>7069826
Based

>>7069830
this isn't twitter

>>7069737
No one will ever know or understand just how much you failed, so don’t worry about it
There’s a studio tour of where KJG used to work and they pull out boxes and boxes full of filled sketchbooks
Michelangelo famously burned his drawings so no one would know how bad he once was
No one but you will ever know how much more of the iceberg is beneath the surface

>>7106135
>There’s a studio tour of where KJG used to work and they pull out boxes and boxes full of filled sketchbooks
can you post it? Would love to watch it...

>>7072028
Most people study flat surface. If you don't have ability to sense volumes on a page one should work on that first and develop it by drawing simple forms (forms not shapes there is a big qualitative difference and this is the most important thing in moving on from beginner)
I had the fortune of someone on discord art server took the time to drill this into my autist skull and I grinded car drawings until it clicked.
Once you get the feel the forms skill then you can start study of comic or manga and you study it by constructing everything on paper with simple forms first
Box is king of simple forms because it is like a cage in which simple forms can be placed
This is the essence of drawing in 3d
Diesnt matter if you study manga or comic after

>>7095966
Sergio Leone movies too, Akira Kurosawa
and a lot of hd releases of old movies (you can find torrents of them on 1337x)
I watched The Hallelujah Trail 1965 recently, has a shit ton of really good shots too to study

>>7069737
fap before draw

>>7069737
Someone told me that the key to drawing was to learn how to learn, and then they pointed me to “Isaac watts, the improvement of the mind” and I was set afterwards.

>>7107219
>key to drawing was to learn how to learn
>Isaac watts, the improvement of the mind
what do you mean?

>>7076163
Wrong little nigga. I care, and if your line quality is shit, it's garbage.

>>7098599
>>7069737
How do you people that are against construction draw from imagination?

>>7108286
We draw forms, not construction.

>>7108294
we don't draw, we make marks with our pencil on paper

>>7108304
filthy novelist. Your kind is not welcome here

>>7069737
>Being able to one shot your shapes and form in with minimal construction is extremely important. When you do studies, instead of constructing, just lay in what you see directly with a ballpoint pen.
Man, I've been drawing for well over a decade and I still can't do this for shit despite repeated attempts. "Just keep doing it bro" doesn't seem to have worked too well for me; unless I do rough undersketches with a number of revisions, my proportions inevitably get all fucked up.

>>7069826
>Warm up before drawing.
If I do this, I'll either be drawing that all day instead of what I need to draw or I won't end up drawing, at all. So, if you are anything like me just best to start. It's better than not starting at all.

>>7069737
If you are mentally struggling to the point that you are having problems drawing or doing much of anything, especially if you love to draw and suddenly having issues doing so, it's ok to go seek professional help.

You are not less of an artist or a person for doing so. There are a ton of people who will tell you the opposite and that it's 'all in your head' and just pushing through it all on your own will somehow make you a much better person or XYZ conditions are 'fake,' and etc.

The people who tell you this are just projecting their own issues and fears onto you. They are never going to be there for you or be there holding your hand when you are at your absolute worst. They aren't going to be there to help you cope or to lift you up when you've hit rock bottom. They are going just going to keep sharing the same shitty advice that they live by that's keeping them from achieving much of anything themselves.

Always choose and look out for yourself first and foremost, because once you are dead and gone, they are going to continue living and, eventually, forget about you as they move on with their lives.

>>7069826
>1
I mean it's true, but it's hardly underrated advice

>>7069737
Everyone has forgotten Vilppu on this godforsaken board at this point but "feel the form" is the single most important concept in drawing. People looked at it superficially like it's a meme even when this board was actually about drawing but I cannot stress how fundamental it is.

>>7108438
Yeah, I feel like people should just stick to what works for them in this regard. If construction works for you, keep doing it. There's no need to do a whole new process if it makes your art worse.

>>7108438
I have found that straight copying helps you a lot with proportions if you have a foundation in constructive drawing
they integrate each other

>>7071437
You achieve Art Nirvana

>>7069737
Don't stop drawing for more than a week

>>7108438
I've seen artists that work directly in pen use tiny dots to serve as guidelines / shorthands instead of a full construction, mostly to keep from running out of paper (but also to keep in mind proportions)

>>7108694
While I assume you're referring to placing single dots to mark landmarks (top of head, chin, hairline, corners of mouth, etc), I do have better luck when I basically to a full pointilism outline of the head and features before laying down lines. Guessing my method defeats some of the purpose of just putting down accurate-ish lines directly, though.

>>7108504
just do this >>7076197

>>7073649
not OP but here's something I've done while talking and drawing. It was a good talk and the expression captures her personality quite well.
Talking seems to help me when I need more of the feel and don't need to render detail or do something complicated.

Try talking about what you're drawing while you draw, either out loud or internally.
>he has a prominent chin which sticks out so much that it almost lines up with the tip of his nose from this viewpoint, and now I'm drawing the top of the chin as it protrudes outward

>>7108689
I will need to disagree with it
I saw many artists take breaks (including myself) and when they came back after months their art got much better: Sometimes a break is all you need.

>>7108822
>take break
>come back
>find I've forgotten how to draw and have to return to day one grid drawings before I remember how to draw what I see

>>7108822
you don't need more than a week

>>7096741
holy shit duran duran

>>7091453
>conspiracy theorist
You're really stupid.

>>7091453
>I'm vaccinated
Stupid.

>and boosted 2 times
Incredibly stupid.

>conspiracy theorist
Literally too dumb to breathe.

These are the kinds of people trying to give you advice on this board lol

>>7108849
what shape is the earth?

>>7108862
Same shape as your whore mother's ass.

Bump

Did anybody see meaningful progress when attempting straight ahead contour ink drawings as opposed to building up your drawing from construction, straight line block-ins, and/or gestural sketches of some sort? Seemed like for a long time starting directly with contours was considered a poor/ineffective way to begin a drawing for most artists, but lately it seems to have become a memed method. Is it because of KJG's rise in e-fame, or have YouTubers been shilling it or something?