/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'm learning to have more fun with my practice. taken a step back from studying hands and feet from ref to do a little memory drawing and get some ideas out.

>>7058561
there's not a lot of intent behind your scribbles. admittedly, >>7058614 is right. you aren't at the stage where you should be doing gesture yet. instead, I'd focus on building forms. work with drawabox a bit, particularly the lessons on forms (https://drawabox.com/lesson/2).). don't get too stuck on drawabox - you don't need to do everything religiously. think of it more as exercises that get you closer to understanding how to draw more complex subjects like people.

>>7058537
you're too harsh on yourself. you clearly know something about constructing a figure even if there are flaws. all you need is some references/study to guide you in the right direction. some things do stand out as curious. how can we see the face of the plate if she is holding it over her head? unless she is tipping it forward, it's not really clear. keep practicing anon.

>>7058208

you can start by simply copying this panel. it may not be great, but massaging your creativity with subject matter you are interested in is always a big plus

>>7058693

another recent doodle to kick the thread off.

Take a break for a moment and ask yourself: Is it really worth it? Or is there something more productive I can spend my time on? Just think about it.

>>7058711
>Take a break for a moment and ask yourself: Is it really worth it? Or is there something more productive I can spend my time on? Just think about it.
Drawing and painting are both valuable artistic practices, each with its own set of benefits and considerations. Whether or not they are "worth it" is subjective and depends on personal interests, goals, and values.

Painting and drawing have several cognitive and emotional benefits:

1 - Nurturing Emotional Growth: Painting can serve as a therapeutic activity, allowing individuals to express and process their emotions, which can promote healing and emotional intelligence.

2 - Creative Growth: Engaging in painting can foster creativity and provide a platform for both artistic and analytical individuals to develop their skills.

3 - Memory Enhancement: Regular painting activities can strengthen memory recollection skills and reduce the risk of memory loss illnesses like dementia and Alzheimer’s.

4 - Problem-Solving and Motor Skills: Painting involves conceptual thinking and problem-solving, which can improve critical thinking abilities. It also enhances motor skills and fine motor coordination.

5 - Stress Relief: Painting offers an outlet for stress relief and can contribute to a happier, healthier lifestyle.

6 - Optimism and Self-Esteem: Creating art can encourage an optimistic attitude, boost self-esteem, and provide a sense of accomplishment.

In summary, both drawing and painting are worthwhile pursuits, offering different benefits and opportunities for personal and professional development. The choice between them should be guided by individual interests, creative goals, and the desired outcome of the artwork.

how long until Vilppu...you know...

>>7058722
>how long until Vilppu...you know...
It appears you are inquiring about the next event or workshop led by Glenn Vilppu. Based on the information provided in Source 1, the latest update regarding new classes is that they will be starting on April 1, 2024. You can sign up for email updates on the Vilppu Academy website to stay informed about any changes or additions to their schedule.

>>7058721
meds

>>7058711

>>7058711
Pursuit of self improvement is never wasted. Ideally one should always to improve their body (sports and fitness), their mind (science & lit), and their arts too (music, drawing, creation). None of these pursuits are wasted time.
None is more productive than the other. However to agree a little bit: you should ask yourself from time to time whether to balance things a little bit more. Taking a break and learning something else for a bit is always helpful even if it seems opposed to what you wish to focus on.

>>7058738
why say that?
its a perfectly good answer the anon gave, even if its AI slop
fight shit with shit

'nother 'ortrait

>>7058685
Any opinions on experiences with Proko's Drawing Basics course?
Kind of uncertain whether I should do that or Betty or Eviston combined with Drawabox.

>>7058750
eviston and proko complement each other, with some drawabox inbetween sprinkled in
all 3 go through the same topics but in different ways and different degrees of complexity

betty is fine i guess, but is like, bored housewife tier desu, only good if you are lliterally beginning from complete zero right now

>>7058753
Would you thus say that it makes sense to just combine Eviston and Proko and some Drawabox (am working on Drawabox, find at least Lesson 1 pretty fun so far gave me the motivation to dig deeper with the "aha" moments) to build solid fundamentals?

hi begans
captcha: P0TA

>>7058762
proko give you a course-like structure which is important, structure and a roadmap will keep you drawing and focused on the right things

use eviston and drawabox and supplementary exercises, kinda like in school, Proko is the main class, eviston and drawabox are the extra credit shit you do

i would also shill hampton, proko already is similar to hampton so using his anatomy book as a main all in one reference is good

do not focus one one thing as if its a holy, again, take it like a uni course with different sources for learning the same thing

wtf pewdiepie learned to draw in 100 days and I can't even do it in two years ?

Anyone know how I should draw the character's left hand?

Longer lines look better, the longer the better
But for details you need to zoom in, the line is shorter
How do you mantain a good rhythm for a line while drawing it "in parts" by zooming in?
Obviously having a bigger screen/tablet/canvas helps, but there's only so much you can upgrade your supplies.
Perhaps a second display showing you the macro view? But even then your lines are still not "truly" continuous (not made with a single stroke)
What's the solution

>>7058850
by going on pinterest and searching for a pic of a chaarcter or person with their hand on their hip
or you, yourself, can just do the same thing in front of a mirror.....

I’m not going to draw for this thread, either.

I have perfect crystal clear images in my head but cant even begin to draw, even my doodles dont come out the way I want. I feel like I dont even have the drawing capacity of a child

>>7058880
ok

>>7058693
Thanks for the advice. Perhaps it is a bit too soon, plus the time limit makes it really hard. I can do basic forms and perspective at about a /beg/ level, I think. That kind of thing is pretty easy, because there's almost a guide on where the lines should go in any situation. However, with gesture, I just see a limb going vaguely in some direction and Ill try to quickly capture it somehow. Would maybe trying to build stuff with them, or working on more organic forms and ribbons be a good next step? Or should I go back to the box mines?

Early /beg/ here. I practiced with nothing but ink/fineliners these past 3 weeks, I noticed today that using a pencil for basically the first time since I started made my lines/forms look very satisfying. Felt like taking the training weights off if that makes sense.
I obviously understand that practicing dynamic (hard vs. soft pencil etc.) is also important, but it seems to me that doing a lot of exercises in ink to bring out my mistakes much more just makes a ton of sense, why isn't this recommended more often?

>>7058911
drawabox says to train using ink. And yes practicing accuracy and flow is very op. I used to draw circles like a old man with parkinson but now i draw them perfectly. Only ovals still give me trouble...

I'm bored as fuck and might draw later just to burn time.
Can you guarantee me that i'll be able to get good if i keep putting in the time and effort?

>>7058937
Draw you fag

>>7058940
i have literally nothing else to do so might as well.
I've been procastrinating on it for years now and i've finally ran out of games to play, shows to watch and books to read.

>>7058937
Nope, some people are truly helpless, even after huge amounts of practice
That said, the average person is guaranteed to become good after enough (read: a lot) of practice.
But greatness is reserved to those with the genetics for it, sorry

>>7058941
Ok, thanks for the blog.

>>7058943
I don't need greatness i just want to get adept at it.
>>7058944
Sry i'll stfu now.

>Blog posting
>Doompost baiting
>Draw a box shilling
What the fuck is going on here

>>7058856
>>7058859
im so happy you're still a begshit and haven't moved an inch

>>7058954
This is the beg thread, a desolate wasteland of lost souls and eternal wanderers

>>7058711
It doesn't matter, me wanting to do it precedes any other justification. I'm not forcing myself to draw, I would have to force myself to stop drawing

>>7058967
lore?

>>7058972
reilly shill that claimed he would surpass me in 2 weeks and a few months later he's still unable to draw a figure

>>7058967
your happiness depends on me?

>>7058978
Your stagnation makes me happy

>>7058994
NTA but PYW

To first train my eyes does it matter whether I draw from reference image or reality? Is drawing from real objects in front of me strictly superior whenever possible?
Does copying comic/manga artists I like do the same or should I view that as a "separate" skill?

>>7059017
to your eyes, everything is 2d

>>7058999
he wont because he knows his shit is worse than mine

>>7058994
are you brown

>>7058994
so if my drawings were better
or if you perceived them to be better
it would make you sad?
thats completely pathetic

Fwap
>>7058693
Those drawings are great
>>7058765
Very nice
>7058954
>Draw A box shilling
retard

>>7059069
Yes but you won't progress because i have scared you into xerox copying overpowered knees because you need to mantain plausible deniability that you're not begshit
You will never create anything

>>7059095
>Yes
so youre just admitting that you are pathetic
makes it even more pathetic

>>7059093
>ctrl+f drawabox
>10 results (not counting mine)
>50 replies
>25 posters
Last thread
>5 results
>351 replies
>130 posters

DAB is meme that's not worth shilling if you have to follow it with an asterisk
>It's good BUT don't do 90% of it because it's trash and will stagnate you

I tried to draw clothes.

>>7059095
like talking to a woman

>>7058973
>no work posted
Not that anon, but I surpassed you in 10 seconds.

what's the best way to learn and practice backgrounds from life? like if I want to just take my sketchbook out to a park or library to sketch interiors and exteriors. I have done up to drawabox lesson 2 and finished brent's basic course so i have knowledge of 1-3 point perspective. just figuring out how i should apply to life background drawing. do I always need to draw a horizon line first? I would prefer not to use a perspective grid because they feel boring and incredibly uhh, I'm not sure what the right word is but, stiff?

>>7059128
Nice, except for the cringe le nuke reflection

Any guides on making horror backgrounds and generally on spooky stuff? I want to make a simple background for scary/dangerous situation.

How do i do gesture? Any resources?
Should i even bother with it as a newbie.
Nevermind i probably wont even draw today.

Do you ever see some really fucking cursed art and feel some horrible dread inside.

>>7059128
Nice, especially cool nuke reflection

Ugly phase of painting can make you think you are /beg/ again but trust me I am /int/

>>7058711
Not gonna lie playing Great Ace Attorney was kinda more worth it this weekend than painting.

>>7058685
>that pic
Is it really normal for males of average build to have an ass that big?

>>7059128
the nuke reflection is mid. Like it's kind of good. But it's also pretty bad

Having a lot of trouble simplifying the arms

>>7059174
yes, thanks to bipedalism, walk uphill more often.

>>7058711
I have been playing HighFleet as of late. Fun game.

>>7059128
Nice, I don't have an opinion on the nuke reflection though

Anyone able to point me in the right direction? I'm taking some video classes right now and part of the homework assignment wants me to do 2 hours of cafe drawing, problem is I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Anyone know some good multi-hour long videos/live streams I can reference?

Started on my arduous journey of mastering both ink and dip pen

Please give me any feedback or comment, still all work in progress

beware, beg advice
>>7059144 based. mayhaps i would make 3 and 7 "easier to get", like more clear, and make 5 more detailed, intense
>>7059128 based. I think mustache area may be too busy compared to ref
>>7059007 nice. what are these characters? robot-monsters?
>>7058970 a fresh patch of opportunities, pioneers and eternal students.
>>7058749 sweeeet
>>7058740 anon, can you take the phone now? You have a call from the based department.
>>7058711 yes, next question.
>>7058697 why the different styles tho?

What do i draw?

I can't make an axis

which makes my faces look weird, and cartoony. It's that not that isn't my goal, but I need to learn to draw realistic shit before making the actual cartoons

>>7059106
stomping on weaker people to further your ego is not pathetic, it's great

>>7059216
are you taking Mr. Mahoney's portfolio prep class?

>>7059252
pls step on me

>>7058740
>>7058745
I couldn't have expected this level of BASED itt.

>>7059264
Nah Alex Woo's gesture drawing class.

>>7059220
What nib are you using?

>>7059287
S0VL. I kneel. saved into my folder.

>>7059314
can't you just use regular figure drawing photos for that then?

>>7059338
I can yea but I imagine there's a noticeable difference between dedicated figure posers and regular people in public, i.e. the more subtle details in everyday movement. Plus I've referenced a loooot of figure drawing photos already, I want something a bit new.
Anyway if anyone else wants I found this 43 minute long video that uses slowed down stock footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBi-EVL2hk

Does anyone have a good tutorial or book for hair?

>DRAWABOX
>DYNAMIC SKETCHING
>DRAWING AND APPLYING CONSTRUCTION ON YOUR FAVORITE DRAWINGS

is this what I actually have to do to get good at drawing? wtf?

>>7059356
ahahahahhaha

other than the torso, I quite like how this ended up. did it in one long sitting too

Am I feeling it?

Does it make more sense to just draw simpler stuff, like rocks, etc. as mentioned in one of the OP guides, or should I focus more on figures, etc., if I want to do decent enough character art? I like landscapes and concept art as well, perhaps equally, but I'm not sure which of those I should start with.

>>7059386
you will improve either way. starting with easy subjects is just a way to keep you from giving up / mental torture

>>7059398
I see, so I won't necessarily be gimping myself if I focus on those types of things because the skills are somewhat transferable.

Can i postpone drawing till tomorrow or will that doom me to be ngmi forever.
It takes like 10k hours to get slightly good so it doesnt matter when i start

Any basic guides on rocks, trees, grass, etc.? I want to start adding some outdoor backgrounds to my art, but I don't want to dive completely into fully rendering landscapes yet.

>>7059431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XYoenU-0c

>>7058685
Learning to draw so I can shitpost, here is one of the first shitposts, when im not shitposting im aiming for a more cartoony style, think looney-tunes / tom and jerry from the 50-60s.

I wanna kill myself over AI art demoralization bros. Everytime I want to draw I think about AI and how it's not worth my time anymore.

>>7059372
Sadly, not yet.

>>7059216
Get a VR headset, go into a virtual cafe.

>>7058685
Kinda got bored of working on this lamp about halfway through, not unhappy with it, but the underdrawing could have been better before I started shading.

>>7059458
you did most of the work, now push the darks and watch as the drawing comes alive and looks 2x better

>>7058711
Die.

>>7059458
try drawing less uptight and lost in details. if you are bored with this drawing, you might as well experiment and draw quicker, broader lines, hatching, cross-hatching and stuff on the box to the left, background, get some structure on the table etc.

you've been drawing very slowly and carefully to get the structure of the lamp right, now up the speed 2x and use the pencil at a flatter angel to get broader lines and finish it

Sup beg, today i declare this session as one beg failure. Will have to redo this, probably multiple times just like i did with contrapposto pose

>>7059436
i respect that motivation
>>7059386
by drawing X you will get better at drawing X. plain and simple. as far as skill curve goes, keys to drawing makes you right at start to draw your shoe and then your own hand, one of the most challenging subject
>>7059372
you are drawing contours instead of gesture
>>7059369
the hand on left is behind the booba, but you didnt capitalize on overlap enough, it also lowkey misses shoulder. but its overall cute
>>7059287
SOUL
>>7059174
depends on posture and if they live in walkable city. if the dude does no sport and drives car, he will have no ass. also normally men walk hunched forward and dont wear leggings or high heels so even if they have ass, it is not visible. but yeah, if you actually walk every day and stand upright, you will have ASS no matter what gender
>>7059144
i like
>>7059139
abandoned, ruins, russia, bulgaria, factory, hospital, woods, caves, mine, fog, dark... just slap these into yandex
>>7059129
less thinking, more drawing. if you need VPs depends entirely on how accurate you want to be. if you wont use ruler there is no way whatever you will draw will be stiff even with a grid
>>7059093
ah so you use construction you just hide it
>>7059024
literally false, we have two eyes for stereoscopic vision, meaning you see depth. take two pens, one into each of your hands, then close one eye and try to connect their tips
>>7059023
stiff. do gesture exercises
>>7059017
using real life as reference is THE BEST. using photos is good enough cheaper alternative. it is better to first master drawing real life before plunging into ocean of stylization where nobody can easily point out your mistakes
>>7058911
every single beg book tells you to not touch eraser and some even say to use ink
>>7058851
why do you feel the need to zoom in? you are drawing details viewer wont see

>>7059512
ngl seeing you work, persistence and progress is pretty motivating

okay this is the last straw time to kms

>>7059525
>progress
lol, lmao

>>7059540
I dont hate it.
Unless that's like your year 5 of practice this isnt that bad

Can you bruteforce drawing?
Like even if you lack the skill or experience to draw a certain subject, can it still be done peovides you spend silly amount of times on it?
I'm talking singular drawing of just erasing and doing it again until you get what you want.

When did /beg/ become /sqtddtot/

>>7059369
I'm still beg myself, but here's a few things I think are worth pointing out.
1. There is a weak underlying structure which makes the figure look awkward. For example, like the other anon pointed out, there should be more overlap between her breast and right arm. Consider the angle of her torso and how that effects the reveal of each shoulder and arm. It can sometimes help to establish a centerline in your construction.
2. Widening out the stance will make the figure look more confident and grounded.
3. Adding contrapposto with respect to her shoulders and hip is a very simple way to make the pose more natural and dynamic.
4. I increased the weapon size because I think it adds more visual interest and is cooler.
Kind of did my own thing with her right hand cuz hands are hard and I don't wanna spend that much time on it.

>>7058711
I'll kill myself if none of this is worth it at the end

also can I post my work so you guys laugh at me? I have a shit muscle memory and I began drawing about 2 weeks ago lol

Spent a good hour on this. I’m struggling with the shading and I’m still mediocre at best with the construction

Sup /beg/
Rate my first attempts at drawings :)

Wow I suck at this drawabox exercise, that doesn't even look like wool

>>7059129
it helps to establish a floor plane

>>7059639
What's your average heart beats per minute?

Did anyone else bother to do much still life drawing (of like objects) after finishing a basics course or no

hold up
i think 4/5 point perspective is legit the easiest one to draw in, it's simply the most natural one, 3 point and 2 point create some weird schizm in my mind like "i think this should be distorted this way too no?

guys, how i make for fusionate the lineart with the colors? like make how you call it "rendered"?

any youtube video?

>>7059512
>abandoned, ruins, russia, bulgaria, factory, hospital, woods, caves, mine, fog, dark... just slap these into yandex
Thanks!

>>7059658
CULO

>>7059658
What an ass

>>7059315
speedball 512

I posted a previous version of this a month or two ago and redid it after getting some critiques. I can draw ok with references but i get very anxious before drawing for some reason and i drew very little after making this.

One more try with 2 minute gestures, then I'm going to try something different. Before anything, I tried to capture the line of action, then use that as a guide for the rest of the gesture. I still couldn't complete them in that short a time. Maybe I'll get back to practicing basic forms or try my hand at constructing figures or something, even if they come out stiff.

>>7059639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJWksPWDKOc

>>7059864
Looking at them again, I feel like I need to improve on making the weight bearing parts feel more weight bearing-y either with tension in the limb or line weight on the contacting surface. Is that right?

>>7058693
Well I rushed the plate and arm once I realized how fucked the lower body was. Very bad of me.
>references/study
Like? Just see other artists draw from zero?

Starting my valentine's piece.
So.. the whole schtick is that the girl has covered her lewd bits in chocolate.
Rough draft of the poses but which one do you guys consider more interesting?
If you want to critique this piece of crap or have a go at it then I would really appreciate it.

>>7058711
Yes it is worth it. I get to express ideas I have about a vidya gaem, but in drawings. Getting anons to comment on them also provides me amusing social interaction (for what it is)

>>7059220
Cute punpun

>>7058711
It’s worth it internally to me, but it makes my boyfriend sad when I focus too much on drawing and don’t spend enough time with him. I would like to learn a better balance.

well, I think I can officially say I've moved from /beg/ to /int/ when it comes to head drawing

>>7059938
eyes too big

>>7059942
yeah I had a buddy point that out to me too, but otherwise the structure is solid I feel

>>7059864
>>7059876
look, gesture does not help if you cant draw basic 3D shapes/volume
begin doing a 50/50 of gesture and 3D manequin, otherwise you are just wasting your time

a good way to see how this is true is looking at the first chapter of Hamptons anatomy book where he deals with gesture, you will see how important it is to know basic 3D otherwise pure gesture as a beg is going to reenforce 2D symbol drawing in a very bad way

>>7059954
forgot to add, being a pure beg that has a hard time drawing a 3D manequin in a pose and only doing pure gesture will give you a sense that you are progressing and doing something, but in reality you arent doing anything, its a false sense of progress

do not fall into the dumbass idea of using technqiues in isolation, basic 3D shapes + dynamic gesture are a complement, not mutually exclusive

now go draw some 3D figures and gestures 50/50, OR ELSE!

>>7059941
smug

>>7059938
No, buddy, not at all. But bless your heart for thinking so.

>>7058693

con't. people should post more work. even doodling is better than lamenting about your skills or journey.

>>7058908
>However, with gesture, I just see a limb going vaguely in some direction and Ill try to quickly capture it somehow.

so slow down. sure, gestures can be a quick exercise, but don't just slap down a line without thinking about it. this is true for anything you do - each stroke requires some degree of intent. we can't guess our way to the answers. as far as drawabox is concerned, please don't fall into the trap of just doing those exercises. look at them as warm-ups to improve your understanding while continuing your normal practice. so maybe warm up with those lessons for 10-20 minutes, then go and draw what you want to draw. balance practice with play.

>>7059093

thanks anon, your fwap looks good.

>>7059109

I will continue to recommend drawabox to anyone whose line quality or forms would benefit. it worked for me. it's not for everyone, but that's true of basically any learning experience. there is no one size fits all course/book/whatever.

>>7059887
>Well I rushed the plate and arm once I realized how fucked the lower body was.

why rush? unless you have a commission obligation, there's no reason to speed through your process. if you see something wrong, you have two choices: fix it or leave it. I often opt to just leave it. noticing your mistakes is already half the battle. use the next drawing to do it better. as far as reference, it's up to your interpretation. you can try to find a reference similar to your pose, or you find an artist you like who has done a similar idea and emulate them. when you are clueless or confused, you need something to fall back on. the answer won't just appear without some intentional study.

>>7059938

glad to see you are confident in your progress. don't get attached to arbitrary labels like /beg/ or /int/. define your own success. you are happy that your faces are improving - that is enough.

>>7059512
>>7059581
thanks for the tips. back to figure drawing I go

Unfinished study, gonna move on to next one but i'm slowly putting in more time in each study before moving forward compared to before.

obamna

>>7059568

>>7059954
>>7059957
I see. I'll get back to 3d forms, then. Though, I think I get the most basic aspects of form and perspective, maybe I'll leave this until I've actually built things with them. Next time I'll have something more presentable.

>cries finally starting to practies fundies after 7 years of drawing experience

>>7059659
Anyone?

>>7060184
pro working at tesla I kneel

>>7060141
one commited war crimes the other is orange

>need to actually copy references to improve
Huh

>>7060214
lol. Keep telling yourself that, MAGAtard.

I’m still not drawing.

>>7060246
It's a literal fact tho

>>7060214
Won a Nobel peace prize tho

>>7059115
>no reply
Dang it

>>7060300
Keys to Drawing

>>7060274
case A: hope she wasn't offended and still likes you
case B (selfportrait): delet this

How do you guys learn to draw? I got Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life and I got filtered as soon as I opened it.

Can I get any recommendations on how to improve?

>>7060346
Read sticky in OP

>>7060337
>case B (selfportrait): delet this
lel, there are no women on the internet

Has anyone here tried going to an IRL evening course/study circle for art? If so, how was it?

>>7060021
Post your work

I've been trying to improve my head, gesture, figure and faces with almost no success so far. It just isn't clicking for me. Here are some sketches from my book along with some digital sketches i made. Its infuriating to me that my digital sketches are leagues better than any of my traditional ones as well. Where am I going wrong?
https://imgur.com/a/KSpTAXU

>>7060274
>Won a Nobel peace prize tho
as if that means anything
hopefully democrats make good on their threat and send amerimuts to fight in ukraine, wanna see some blue hair troons on the battlefield

>>7060300
if you want a reply you should tell us more info and what you want comments on
what do you want? someone to say "cool heckin goku anon! :)))" ?

>>7059938
mid beg

>>7060485
Sorry.
I was hoping on some feedback for how I drew the clothes.

>>7060464
Stop drawing clothed figures

>>7060472
Never read Orwell fren?
War is peace

>>7059867
Perfect theme for eternal begs like me

>>7060518
is that a car made for the average fatmerican?

>>7060540
Which flag is it on the moon right now?

>>7060544
moon landing was faked

>>7060544
There is no flag on the Moon.

I've said i would draw tomorrow yesterday. Still haven't done so. Two hours of today remain but i probably won't bother.
I should give up for good i haven't even drawn in half a year why do i bother thinking about maybe breaking the procastrination spell its never gonna happen

>>7060558
draw her, anon

NODRAWS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7060562
I don't like naked women and i'm too bad at drawing to do it.

give me 1 reason to draw today pretty please

>>7060580
It's fun. Except for you it clearly isn't so what the fuck are you here for

>>7060587
It is i'm just a dopamine junkie so its hard to do anything that isn't just lowest common denominator hedonism.

>>7060590
>>>/adv/

>>7060594
I don't want advice i just want motivation to win the pascal bargain.
If i can do that we're golden.

Ok sorry for shitting up the thread i'll stop.
i should never post here until i have an actual drawing to show. Shouldn't have spazzed.

>>7058685
I did first 2 lessons of Drawabox (And the 250 box challenge) and now I've started "Keys to Drawing" But I'm actually really struggling with it. Is there something else I should do first? Should I just be doing studies or learning basic shapes?

>>7060601
If only more more anons had this level of self awareness

AHEM >>7060558

>>7060606
Post examples of where you're struggling. We can't help if we can't see it.

>>7060607
Anon...

>>7060606
just draw more

>>7060615
That's useless advice

>>7060621
>That's useless advice
explain

>>7060518
>graduated as an animator

>>7060613
Damn dude and here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt

>>7060608
As you can see my attempt at drawing my own hand is fucked. It's like just total shit.

>>7060615
Should I draw something else? Should I just keep doing my hand? This is like the third attempt. Or should I just draw what I want?

>>7060622
Its like if someone asked you how to max gym gains and you told him
>just lift more
you can't bruteforce learning or progress lol
drawing is a prerequisite of learning but the sheer work input volume doesn't equal to output
>>7060627
I haven't drawn a thing in half a year but i keep popping in these threads and having retard skitzo meltdowns because i feel that actually striving towards the given goal of getting better is outside of my possibilities and control.
I wish i could say it'll one day stop but realistically speaking i'll probably still be doing this shit at age 70.
Sorry for being a skitzo i'll try to get better. This is the last offtopic post i'll make sorry and have fun actually drawing!

>>7060634
You really shouldn't be correcting people's advice if you fail at the prerequisite of picking up a pencil

>>7060636
Genetic fallacy, but fair enough.
Do you have any better advice?

>>7060621
>>7060637
dude, he's already working through keys to drawing. all the instruction he needs for observational drawing is there. i'm just telling him to not give up. there isn't much else he can do to struggle less, other than to try again

>>7060631
You SHOULD just draw more. Grinding drawameme made you falsely believe that you were making progress when in truth you are still at step 1. Just keep following KTD, copying what is being taught, and then trying to apply what you learned to something that isn't a direct copy of the book for example something that you like. Don't be discouraged if you can't do something right the first time, just keep going, you'll look back on your old drawings and see improvement in no time.

>>7060641
Yea i was just crabbing

>>7060646
You crab, you doompost, you blogpost, and worst of all, you don't draw.
SHOO SHOO SCHIZO

>>7060645
im in drawabox but I actually follow the 50 percent rule and copy shit I like during the 50 percent. am I good?

>>7060544
there is no flag fatass

>>7060648
Sorry.
I won't draw today but maybe tomorrow. Until then i will schizo no more.

if you're trying to draw something very stylized, should you use a real life ref and try to stylize it or should you find a drawing you like and try to emulate that?

>>7060645
I am still drawing my own stuff but i don't know. I just wonder how I'll get any better at drawing Waifus by drawing still lifes and studies

please any suggestion or opinion before I move in and paint this

the bunny is kiinda finished. I will still have to adjust the overall lighting, reference was from diff. environment...

Any tips on returning to the habit after a long while?
I didnt get far so restarting Loomis or KTD feels bad cause i dropped each of those at least twice in the past already.

>>7060656
Internalize what you're supposed to be learning instead of blindly copying. You're not drawing random objects, you're studying fundamentals. Fundamentals will help you grow. Waifus are made of 3D shapes. Waifus have human anatomy. Waifus sit in perspective. Waifus look better when drawn with good lineart.

>>7060606
why are you doing keys to drawing? isn't that the opposite philosophy to drawabox?

Schizo anon where are you? Do you still draw? Do you ever think of my sketches?

>>7060659
I recently succeeded in this. Draw as often as you can, you get on the bus, you doodle, have a break, whip out some fun sketch etc. currently Im doing a project and I am totally invested in it so im hooked rn.
>>7060656
hell yeah. drawing from life is the best you can do. And its just fun to be able to draw stuff around you, yknow
>>7060631
it is a good drawing. You will massively improve anyway. Reread the first chapter about negativity.
>>7060558
just draw retard
>>7060274
base
>>7060166
shiiit didnt know they can jump this high
>>7060141
base
>>7059938
>post simple sketch
>guys I've graduated
anon, please.
>>7059639
SOUL

>>7060664
>Draw as often as you can
I refuse to do it in public because i'm really bad and too old for shitty drawings

>>7060665
But it's the best thing ever. I am never as happy as when I draw on boring bus rides or sit outside and draw the environment. Stop giving a fuck and enjoy life, old man.

>>7060665
YOU SILLY ANON. THATS CALLED A COMFORT ZONE BREAK YOUR COMFORT ZONES DO SHIT YOU HATE TO DO BUT AT THE TIME YOU ENJOY DOING AS WELL.

DRAWING IN PUBLIC? DO IT
DRAWING FOR 100 DAYS? DO IT
TRYING OUT A NEW ART MEDIUM DESPITE THE FACT YOUR MOST LIKELY GONNA BE SHIT AT IT? DO IT

finished Brent's basic course, i don't really get how to hatch well... It requires so much finger dexterity. any tips?

>>7060662
Should I keep doing still lifes then? or should I switch to something else?

>>7060663
I'm going to be honest. KTD is just reccomended by the sticky so I started it. DAB is is only really reccomended for the first couple of lessons I think? I'm still awaiting feedback on their site and I'm not paying for it.

As to philosphies? I don't know. I just want to draw and I'm going to try anything

>>7060669
ITS NOT ABOUT PERFECTING ITS ABOUT DOING. DAY ONE YOU'LL FEEL LIKE SHIT BUT TRUST ME ANON JUST TRUST ME YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT IF YOU DO IT

>>7060670
That's not hatching. Also sharpen your pencil.

>>7060656
You're not looking enough at the object you're drawing. Most of the time you spend drawing should be spent with your eyes on the thing your trying to draw. Spend a few minutes just examining it before you even start and make note to the proportions and the different curve and fold off fabric. If you can't really see simple objects you'll never understand the human body.

>>7060670
That's not hatching. You need to be patient too, this is rushed

>>7060625
I'm not joking when I tell you that going to film school for animation was the worst mistake I ever did in my life.

>>7060649
you should be having fun 100% of the time. 50% fun is a surefire way to burnout. Find a different way to practice if your practice isn't fun.

>>7060681
buuut anoon you're telling me I don't have to go to some art program or drawing course to become master of art? buuuuut anooooon!!!!

>>7060671
You're not really doing much with your still lifes other than drawing basic geometric shapes. Try >>7060675
If you don't like doing still lifes at all then just draw what you like. You're stressing too much already.

>>7060669
I can do it at home a lot. Breaking the comfort zone is for skilled people or those who have enough experience to do so comfortably.
If you break the xomfort zone as a noskill retard people are just gonna laugh.

>>7060673
>>7060676
wait I just realised I posted the wrong one. it still looks bad though. using my fingers to shade with lines alone is hard

>>7060688
It's like you're precrabbing yourself for hypothetical crabs

Practice trying to draw shadows and lights rather than making everything a line.

>>7060690
I'm clinically depressed sorry for that.

>>7060689

>>7060687
How can I draw what I like when what I draw looks like shit?

>>7060671
>As to philosphies? I don't know. I just want to draw and I'm going to try anything
I'm just saying. There are two camps, those who copy/measure and those who use construction/perspective. one camp would see a glass as a cylinder and the other would try their best to ignore the fact that it's a glass at all. KTD leans heavily into the latter group from my understanding.

>>7060689
Make a value scale for practice. It'll give you experience hatching and you'll understand the tone you're trying to put down better.

>>7060689
You're supposed to follow the form of the object when you hatch bro. Why's the shadow have more form than the pepper? It looks like the pear is on a hairy mound.
Anyway, read this.
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/fzu0aegwakkoand/Rendering_in_Pen_and_Ink.zip/file

>>7060693
My fingers cannot keep the lines very parallel as Brent demonstrated. Will this really come with practice?
>>7060697
Yeah I do value scales but I haven't tried one with hatching, if anything, it's the precision that i'm mainly struggling with hatching. too many lines sticking out awkwardly

>>7060694
It always looks like shit at first. For everyone who's ever drawn in the history of humanity. If you can't bare to see yourself fail then you'll never get past the bad drawings to the good.

>>7060694
You're getting into real Howie territory bro. Nobody started out perfect. Put in the work.

Sup beg.

>>7060659
you either want something and then you naturally do it. or you dont. make up your mind
>>7060657
it looks like somebody in photoshop copy pasted the bear to different painting. the light tone doesnt match, try to adjust the bear to have darker color tones. look at how gray the WHITE swan feathers are in comparison to light up BROWN fur of bear
>>7060656
observation>perspective>figures. if you will skip the fundies you will DIE trying to draw stylized figures
>>7060346
see above: start with observation aka keys to drawing or other beg books
>>7060654
why not both and compare?
>>7060631
if you will reread the chapter, you will find out it is supposed to look awful and that is okay. you are at the very start trying to unlock the vision, drawing will come later. btw it is good enough
>>7060518
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/
>>7060464
>draws details of head in trad
>draws full figures in digital
anon, draw same stuff in both trad and digital and you will see its exactly the same. the only possible difference might be the pencil: it is poors man drawing tool, use some gray fine liner and it will look exactly the same as your digital
>>7060274
i like how you are slowly evolving into caricature drawer, though i am not sure if you intend to be one
>>7060100
i like it
>>7059941
>lunatic soda learns a new anime face
>suddenly anons cannot recognize him and even give him positive (you)s
i can still tell its still you, but thumbs up for FINALLY drawing something else
>>7059938
int is when you draw that face without ref
>>7059828
ink it
>>7059659
draw whatever you like anon, some people like booba, some like tanks and some draw landscapes or buildings
>>7059639
extremely beg, time for keys to drawing
>>7060689
there are no rules for hatching despite what anons will tell you. google Rembrandt drawings and see how messy and chaotic his are for example

fucking legs why do we even have them.

>>7060699
it's a butternut squash.
>you're supposed to follow the form
true, i guess my fingers were struggling to do that. I should hatch with my shoulder then instead?
also about that, even with normal shading I struggle to show the direction of the 3D form since the values get blurred. would it be more reliant on the shadow shape drawn, and the values being consistent?
>>7060704
>Rembrandt
that looks like organised chaos. mine is just a straight mess

>>7060702
I know it's going to look bad. But I'm not really sure what I should I be doing?

>>7060703
I know. I'm trying. I'm just unsure what to do

>>7060704
So I should just keep on doing still lifes and studies?

>>7060704
>https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/
Don't worry I have that one saved for later. I'll start with that one and Bridgeman after finishing How to draw the marvel way.

When drawing with a still life as a beginner, must I ALWAYS use 3d geometric shapes, or only when necessary? Some things can just be simplified to a circle or a quadlitlatral

>>7060713
are you a construction guy or a copy machine guy. that is the question.

having fun with perspective

>>7060704
thanks pawell, always a pleasure.

>>7060707
Decent except for the colors.

gonna draw for 2 hours until bedtime :)

>>7060710
Just keep doing KTD. Drawing without instruction sounds like too much of a hassle for you right now.

>>7060713
Do you want your drawing to show form? Then visualize/construct in 3D then.

>>7060704
>why not both and compare?
whenever I use real life as ref it's pretty hard for me to stylize it. It ends up more like a realistic drawing of a person cause I don't know exactly how to stylize. Copying other art is easier but it has a similar problem. It looks too close to the reference

I don't want to draw "anime girl face on a real girls body" I want stylized art. Pic related is the sort of "stylization" I'm talking about. Like should I just use art from the game as reference if I wanted to draw something like this or would I go with a real life drawing and try to stylize it in a similar way?

>>7060732
whoops forgot to include the pic

>>7060678
you didn't take out any debt to do it, right anon?

...right anon?

How many pages do the sketchbooks you use have?
The ones I can buy here seem to have so few? Like 30-60. I thought ~100 was more along the norm.

Holy fuckk my adhd is fucking me I can't draw I always distract ymself with watching youtube shorts or browsing 4chan AAAAAAAAAAA

>>7060753
I saw Walmart had one with 200 pages the other day.

>>7060691
Tried another one. A little better, but I should go back to simpler objects for now

>>7060741
I got an intership and thankfully universities in my country don't cost an arm and a leg. I mean they are expensive but you can get in without falling in debt for life.
The thing that hurts me the most is not the money but all the time I wasted

was gonna try another butternut squash again from life but my body is too tired

>>7060770
Draw more

my nigga pythagoras

reverse 3 point perspective aka minus 3 point perspective

At least I drew today

>see art being post anywhere
>I now have a 90% chance to not give a shit because they're just doodles and all the artist posts is cartoony doodles so at best they have mediocre coloring skills and that's it
is this good or bad?

>>7060849
Kys

I feel like Loomis is officially paying off.

Why do people nearly always think airbrush looks bad for shading? It isn't clicking for me, like it's "huh? This is bad?"

>>7060856
it's babby's first soft brush so many of the people using it aren't making convincing transitions
or maybe you just have strange taste

>>7060854
Nice; also check out Dynamic Sketching's animal lesson

Can i get tips please

>>7060870
go look at chommang's head videos

>>7060861
Where can I find this?

>>7060870
Dota 2 fan?

>>7060871
I will, Thanks.
>>7060875
Yeah.

I am alone and drunk, so I drew

>>7060874
Peter Han Dynamic Bible

>>7060861
>that Kangaroo
absolutely MOGGING scam fraudkopenko

This is all i see whether i close my eyes.

Makes me crode T_T

here's today's collage. some of these are from imagination, there are a few figures, etc.

i want to know if a good, poseable anatomical figure exists online though. i feel like i'll benefit if i can actually fiddle with a human body, move it around and see how the muscles stretch, etc.

>>7060733
<3 Happy belated valentine's tripanon
>>7060842
I love this little guy, happy valentine's to you too wormy

>>7060923
??? i thought clavicles did move, i thought that was the whole point

>>7058978
Nice

Working on my very shitty valentines piece for the paint thread.
Still feels very flat but I haven't struggled as much as I did last year. Maybe I need to start looking into more perspective heavy pieces.

Hey /beg/ literally been too busy and tired to draw anything for like 2-3 days, idk. But I drew this dumb little bird/plane/helicopter/capsule corp thing before going to bed today so I don’t become a nodraw. Happy Valentine’s Day, anon. You’re gmi as long as you just keep going.
>>7059640
Yeah lol the texture thing is brutal. Don’t worry about it. If it doesn’t sink in, just skip it.
>>7059658
You’ve chosen a hard goddamn pose lol. Her knees are weird. The calf/thigh junction doesn’t quite look right. Revisit her arm, it kinda looks like she doesn’t have a humerus. Find a good ref for this pose. Looking forward to seeing it finished!
>>7059941
Oh snap, you’re evolving. Good job
>>7059864
>>7059954
>>7059957
This is the truth. I’d add that for brand new begs, your observational drawing needs to be trained first, as step zero, when learning to draw.
>>7060733
Th-thanks, you too
>>7060827
Cool
>>7060854
Great job!

I have a dumb question. The hardcore method in the OP seems to be the best "nose to the grindstone" method of improving, right?
Should I complete any art books before beginning Michael Hampton's book or just jump right into the suffering?

suffice it to say but studying from 3d models help me but i need to make boxes

we should have an anatomy study general

>>7060989
you drew megamind

>>7060625
I feel like this is due to a lack of proper teaching. As the say "if you can't do, teach" but that saying is pretty fucking garbage because if you can't do then you probably shouldn't be teaching.
As with the case of him, who I assume is Richard Williams from the Animator's Survival Kit, he should've become the change he wanted to see and begun teaching people instead of lamenting about the lack of talent. To go from "I taught them so well they hounded me" to "I escaped the mob who begged me to teach them more" all the way to "why isn't anyone good at learning art anymore, why is nobody interested???" is just fucking benign.

>>7060704
hey pawell you turbo crab, still deceiving begs with your shit advice huh? god i am glad you havent killed yourself, nothing boosts my mood more than seeing your low life shizo existance haunting this shithole year after year

tell 100headsanon and brownsketchanon i said hi

>>7061017
>furfag /beg/ thinks he can roast anyone

>>7061026
Post your work. Surely you're better than a furry, right?

>>7061026
>roast anyone
pawell every single one of those hundreds of shizo scribbles you post are self-roasts. i am just stopping by to laugh and feel better about myself. past few days have been stressful and i went for the heroin among mood bosters ... you

people shi on pawell but he does more for the general than 90% of anons
crabs gonna crab

>>7061038
>mass replying to prebeg questions that are answered by reading the sticky and/or drawing for more than a day
>contributing to the general

pawell is, at this point in human history, less than a bad ai search engine

>>7061038
a man of his skill can't contribute anything except comedy fodder, im sorry

>>7060704
Your perspective studies were really good, I thought you were bordering on /int/ already, but what the fuck are you doing now? Your lumpy figures barely make any sense, are you drawing exclusively michelin men? For your own sake, invest time into watching/reading any course/book on figure drawing, like Proko, Eviston, Hampton, Vilppu and go step by step from gesture to different body features as they describe. Draw full body figures, not just asses. And you struggle with proportions, the guy on the bottom left looks like a sausage with tiny ass. Draw much simpler, but proportional figures, instead of wasting time on shading nonsensical lumps. And if you are drawing from imagination and not using reference, draw at the very least 100+ full body figures from reference to burn proportions and basic anatomy into your memory.

Feel like I either screwed up the second plane's (the one closer to the camera) front part or maybe the perspective distortion is a bit too much.

>>7060988
That's my study in the OP. Improve in what? Figure drawing has so many elements that you really have to be able to design your own education and evaluate what you're trying to learn and how well you learned it at any point. For example, I think I did a competent enough copy of a proportion chart for a beg, but did I internalize the proportions? I don't really think so. So I'm going back to redo the proportion section with memory drawings to make sure I get it and can apply it outside of copies. I noticed a lot of people making my mistake, their figure study practice is copy and accuracy or basic observation practice rather than learning figure drawing. If you're studying a figure drawing book and all your effort goes into making your drawings look like the ones in the book without analyzing what the drawings are conveying then you're better off getting more observation and copy practice so you can better focus on learning the figure when you get back to that. Of course, if figure drawing is what get you jazzed to draw learning at a slower pace while you do what you want is better than getting tired of a fundies grind and giving up.

is this how you do perspective?

Just got my draft letter lol.
Shouldn't have procastrinated on drawing because now i literally can't.

>>7061149
where did you even get drafted?

>>7060029

con't. I'm enjoying playing with proportions and trying to emulate some of my favorite artists*. gonna lay down a simple shape bg and add some other elements before calling it done after work. open to any feedback on the figure.

seems like it's about time for a new thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFyxnYfZw2A
So this is japanese wisdom…
At last I truly see

What should i draw?

>>7061161
rocks, /beg/ loves rocks

>>7061161
Futa cocks

>>7061161
ur mum's fat arse and tits

what do i use to color the hair? currently did this with a graphite pen but want something more permanent. googled "black markers" but they seem too dark, i mostly want a blackish grey, not pitch black

> 2 days into learning to draw, do i have generational talent?

>>7058685

Test
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/artbook/
>>/ic/artbook
>>/ic/artbook/
>>/artbook
>>artbook/

>>>/ic/Video
>>>/ic/Video/
>>/ic/Video
>>/ic/Video/
>>/Video
>>Video/

>>7061283
test2

>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/artbook
>>>artbook

>>>/ic/video
>>>/video
>>>video

new bread

>>7061288
>>7061288
>>7061288

new slop

>>7061289
>>7061289
>>7061289
>>7061289

>>7061161
If you draw cartoons, draw anime. If you draw anime, draw cartoons. If you draw realism, draw surrealism. Etc.

>>7060970
i don't know. now perhaps you see my need for a model

>>7061311
I dont draw anything and have not drawn in several months.
Im just gonna go with rocks.

>>7061423
Rocks is fine. But make them soft rocks.

>>7061290
>>7061291
WHICH ONE SHOULD I USE?!

Is there a book/online course that handholds you and treats you like you can't do anything right in life?

Figure Drawing for All it's Worth by Loomis kind of just assumes you'll draw the body right, same with How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way by Stan Lee.

>>7062602
If the problem is that you're retarded, you should be reading books on how to concentrate and stop being retarded first instead. Throw your smartphone under your bed in a locked box if you have to.