/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

post your work
if do not, post is retarded

>>7055175
i did

thankfully all those things are largely irrelevant

>>7055190
... for digital artists, yeah
then again, digital art is obsolete already thx to stable diffusion

fragile white male crying because he perceives his position at the top of the social hierarchy being threatened.
go suck eggs.

>>7055200
Don't be mad YOUR eggs will never be fertilized

>>7055198
I'm sure you can handle a business convo with a woman without sperging out right?

>>7055200
thing is i'm not giving up so fuck you
>tough time never last
>only tough people last
>WRHGL BBLERGH

>>7055141
Doesn't a lot of this come down to some degree of networking or nepotism anyway?
>inequality in respect to room temperatures in work spaces
Is it too hot or too cold? I can understand being miserable about joints hurting or getting distracted from extremes in temperature, but a lot of supplies need specific temperature ranges to keep from getting fucked up.

>>7055206
take a look at the art education system right now
it's either completely out of question or highly controversial to put a man in the position of head of department / principal / museum management and so on

there are women-only art competitions and the others are mostly "women preferred". wtf

what does it add to the art to know what gender the artist has?

>>7055213
>Doesn't a lot of this come down to some degree of networking or nepotism anyway?
yep, that's another thing. if you know enough people in the jury, you get the prize. has always been like that. there's this "pay the artist now" movement to tackle unfair pay or no pay at all when it comes to financing exhibitions. yet we never publicly touch on the subject just how nepotistic and corrupt it is.

I've had a uni professor artist tell me this story. he was approached by a gallerist who happened to be in the jury for an art competition with a nice cash prize. The application process hadn't even started (!), he told him: "Hey, why don't you apply for this prize? The first and second place are already awarded, but the third is still available."
that guy wasn't even frustrated. he said it is what it is. an incestuous, self-awarding shitshow. that "open call" bs is just a lie.

>>7055216
well that's unfortunate if true, but nothing you can't get around with a little bit of finesse. Just check "other", rather not say or female on your application then drop the act once you're in.

>>7055141
Then do something about it and stop whining about women. There's enough men in the world to support you, and give you a career, so why aren't they? Why do men not care about your art?

>>7055229
if it was that easy, it wouldn't be an issue.
every open call asks for cv, instagram, homepage etc, and most of them ask you specifically to name your gender.

artconnect . com/opportunities/opencalls?types=OPEN_CALL&sortBy=-deadline

you can pull off some bs like "i define myself as female / non-binary" but than you have to stick to that shit 24/7

>>7055233
literally all higher positions in art are currently run by women or diverse people
i have been to an art award where they actually appologized for having an all male 1st to third prize as opposed to last year, which was all female. that is the state of the art world for young artists right now. you have to say you are sorry, if you make it.

central europe: open calls actually sometimes feature a box where you have to make a statement: "how does your work address / implement the female quota?" like what in the fuck is this
how do my kitchen appliances aid the war in Ukrain? what in the fuck are they thinking

>>7055141
You're a man right? You should like form an male only art collation and like pick yourself up by the bootstraps like a male would teehee :)

>>7055251
404 :)
anyone (male) who would do that is just asking to be cancelled and shit on from all sides

>>7055141
kill yourself

>>7055264
yep if i wanted to commit career-suicide, i would do exactly this --> >>7055251

>>7055226
Yeah, it's a problem in pretty much any field at this point. Art, any creative pursuits, should always have personal passion as the driving force. You can control how great you are, how satisfied with your techniques you are. There's no control over recognition of that hard work, mostly just RNG and nepotism.
OP's art is visually impressive to my not professional eye, so hopefully they'll still keep working on creating more. It's easy to get discouraged when you start seeing how many cracks are in the foundation, but pushing through that is really the only option.

>>7055269
There's a similar thing going on with young musicians and streaming: You earn fuckall from streaming, spotify even cancelled paying artists at all if you are below 1K plays per year. That is a shitload of artists that aren't even paid the measly 0.2cents per 100 streams.
The art world / market knows that you will be resilient and still go on persuing what you love to do, despite all the obstacles.
What gets to me is the shit that they say to your face, the obvious bias while at the same time shouting "equality".
>>7055269
>OP's art is visually impressive to my not professional eye
thx

>>7055200
So if he was a nigger and had these same complaints about women they would be valid?

>>7055309
this, and it's basically like being queer, female, an asylum seeker or whatever ... all of these are like bonus points for getting chosen. all of the above and you're like a Super Saiyan candidate

https://www.africanews.com/2023/12/16/art-collectors-turn-to-contemporary-african-art-as-industry-sees-boom/

>>7055141
>Art, any creative pursuits, should always have personal passion as the driving force

Indeed. Love is the answer, to prevail against mediocrities, psychos and kikes.

>>7055360
there are plenty of female artists that i admire. marlene dumas, cecily brown, agnes martin, katharina grosse, katherina olschbaur ...
the point being that it should be about the art, not what you have between your legs. i feel like this has been going on for ages and ages now and there is no end to the constant complaining. quotas have cancelled out objective quality in favor of simply pushing the number of females far beyond 50%. at this point, fairness and equality are two completely diverging principles.

>>7055175
>hur dur post work
he could as easily make the same observation without having made any work ever, you seem to be conflating two entirely separate things

>>7055200
so you believe in racial and gender discrimination?

>>7056108
i agree. though it's of course this typical /ic/ reaction to say pyw, if you disagree with some anon.

>>7056110
i wonder why people can say "fragile white male", but when i call out some lazy bitch "blue-haired mental illness on social welfare" people go apeshit

>>7055200
Based egg sucker

>>7055141
I mean, this /is/ what 20th century women went through for many decades. Women weren’t even allowed to go to the same schools as men, and women who complained or fought against it were mocked relentlessly and faced ad hominem attacks. Two wrongs don’t make a right but we just went from unfair society to another unfair society. Should have been born 50 years ago.

>>7056366
yep. years ago i was all for bringing everyone on the same level and have the same chances. then the quota was introduced and soon it became apparent, that the quota causes problems in itself. we've had academic years at my uni where it so happened that many male candidates applied and only a few females. this can happen, and it can be the other way around too. the problem was that all the female candidates were pretty bad in the quality of their portfolio. there is always a student in the commissioned jury present and i learned from this girl that, and she agrees, a handful of those female students shouldn't have been taken into class that year. and whatdoyouknow, most of them dropped out after one or two years and stopped making art.

the quota is an absolute piece of shit of a tool to get there. it's pretty much a communist-tier strategy idea! "hey there's not enough female students this year, let's recruit some more and even take shitty ones! anything but too many males"

two wrongs don't make a right, yes exactly! let's punish a generation of males for the shit that was done in the last twohundred years. but, you know what? this is exactly the kind of vindictive Karen mindset and thing to do for feminists. - fits their narrative like a glove.

quota > quality ... how is this "equality"?

>>7056414
You sound like the type of problematic man who doesn't understand why he is punished while deserving it.

>>7056442
can you be any more vague

>>7056442
You sound like a faggot. 10 to 1 you're gay out of desperation

>>7056453
high quality criticism there. very substantial
my ex even agreed with me on these topics and she was a bit of a stupid, jump-the-band-wagon feminist

>>7056456
>my stupid feminist ex agreed with me
How can I even argue with this

>>7056462
are you gonna make any case against the arguments?

>>7056464
What argument? That 2 wrongs dont make a right?

the gallery/museum arena is all money laundering, the only way to crawl your way into one is to have networked from university since you were a teenager, nepotism, or like you said, being the most pitiful destitute parasite theyve come across to capitalize on the story of you being a crippled muslim somalian woman

>>7056503
that, or a transgender / nonbinary / diverse family-rape victim, pre-operation wearing genderfluid cloths and already several months into hormone therapy.

anyway the "struggling artist" image has always prevailed and is still romanticized largely as the way of life, like, you made that choice and you need to live with that. you are either in the NGMI bottom half of the very many who can barely make a living and have at least one second job, or you make it and earn an insane amount of money, of which of course 50% and more go to your gallerist.

the only thing being that as a young male artist, you quickly hit a glass ceiling as you look around and see "female artists preferred", or quotas that aren't even communicated openly, having your art pressed into a mold, because you need to make it about "gender-related topics". fill in the box "is your art project aiding woman's equality?", "how is the ratio male to female artists in your project?"
i'm not making this up. this is found on application forms in central europe

>>7056366
>society was unfair for women

This is a myth. Men are the ones who have to burden the responsibility of the family's survival. Men are the ones required to risk their lives when the tribe is threatened, often when it is against their self interest to do so. If you didn't fit the marks, you were just killed for not being useful to society without anyone questioning it. And all this was just the bare minimum duty expected for men, and even still only 1 man got to reproduce for 17 women. None of these responsibilities apply to women. They just sit at the finish line and pick the winners because evolutionarily speaking just being female itself gave them intrinsic value. And today none of this has changed for men, while women are free from their responsibilities in society. Not to say women never had to face bullshit but then again who didn't? This idea that in the past men all rallied together to create this utopia for men while putting in every ounce of their efforts to oppress women for no reason at all is a complete feminist myth. For the entire course of humanity, men and women had to cooperate with the best of each one's ability just to have the chance of surviving, and whatever systems and forms civilization took was the result of biology. Whatever narrative feminists push about patriarchy is just straight up myth to justify their supremacist behaviors.

>>7056611
Women were discriminated against but not in art because any artist could make it when their work is beautiful

>>7056617
ffw to now where we have a high rate of young women studying art – thanks to the quota, more than male students – with an equally high dropout rate or who stop making art altogether shortly after getting their diploma.

>>7056621
The quota hurt women rep as artists in a way; same with minorities.
A woman or a minority artist in the 1800s was automatically a savant who worked hard and forced White dudes to recognize them by sheer talent
A woman or minority artist today conjured different association
Compare this painting made by a poorfag Jew to what an average Jewish artist churns out now for instance
Or the sculpture of Edmonia Lewis to the average African-American today

African artist lady from the 1800s who came to France and made it
Today her place would be replaced by a black transgender throwing red paint at a canvas

English lady artist

>>7056627
they've cancelled out the "work hard" part nowadays. I like the jewish artists painting and how delicately it's painted. In any case, good art supposedly always finds it's way I guess, maybe sometimes only after your death.

Let me tell you another example. I actually studied with this girl. She is a lazy painter and hates working too long on paintings, resulting in her paintings being flat, thinly painted with lots of terpentine, runny and a complete disregard for anatomy and perspective. she's a quantity over quality kind of person, so she produces a lot and at a constant rate.
when she submitted her stuff to an art competition, they actually rejected it saying "it did not appeal to the jury at all", which made her furious.
now get this: the following year, she started painting empresses, queens and female monarchs after old masters. and yes, you guessed right, she copied them poorly, with thin colors, disregard for any details, anatomy and perspective. "I wanted to feel powerful as a woman" was her only answer as to why she did these paintings. nevermind that some of these empresses were pieces of shit who had innocent people killed, just like their male counterparts.
you're seeing where this is going: she got the prize the following year, she got many interviews and feminist magazines and organizations were pointing on her door. it's as simple as that.

>>7056641
this is her work (some details)
she received a 10K grant for this stuff

>>7056641
Basically the galleries value the message over the content
This just results in lazy shitty artist being pushed over hardworking guys regardless of background though its especially tough on people who are not woke
>>7056649
Damn, my kid brother does better

>>7056649
middle school art

>>7056660
>middle school art
>>7056650
>Damn, my kid brother does better
I'm not joking, this kind of art is being shilled now, bc it's a woman making a statement on female art or females in art.

a fun challenge: how many feminist remixes can you find of Edouard Manet's "Olympia"? 1) places switched: black lady on the bed, white lady as a servant. 2) lady with hairy legs instead of perfect skin 3) fat lady on the bed instead 4) lady wearing gorilla mask .... and so on.

feminist art can only reference masterpieces from art history, mock it, ridicule the motif, make a bad reproduction (like >>7056649 ). and this kind of stuff is put in museums and galleries these days. first and foremost, it HAS to tackle gender issues! or modern feminist themes! criticize patriarchy! question gender definitions! female empowerment!

>>7056669
It's almost semi-tragic
Feminists do not have the will to craft anything original
I am reminded of Tolkien's monsters that cannot create art but only parody it; and it did not have to be like this
Girls had their own tradition of drawing boys

>>7056669
>>7056676
This maiden rolled with the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood and was a trad wife but she made better content than any feminazi

>>7056677
The depressing thing is that there are good lady painters out there
Wtf aren't the feminists pushing them

>>7056669
>a fun challenge: how many feminist remixes can you find of Edouard Manet's "Olympia"


obligatory medusa beheads perseus sculpture

I don't even remember that those things exist because I just have fun drawing and painting.
I'm just an outcast. I don't care about anything aside my own art and improve.

>>7055141
or us men can start out own oustide art awards. Fuck the establishment.

>>7056843
these things don't matter to digital artists, but to the ones who use traditional media and have academic or other higher education. others would say "professional artists", but the term is just wrong imo as you don't need academic experience to be on the same level.

still, if you want to persue a career as an artist, sell your paintings, produce catalogues, be exhibited at major art shows and maybe one day have a gallery, you need to get familiar with all the mechanisms mentioned here.

the art world is governed by nepotism, politics and these days it is largely oriented on market value and appealing to broader audiences.
exhibitions have to be accessible for all ages, which is why they are employing more and more wall tattoos, simplified explanations, pre-digested interpretations of the work (so nobody feels stupid or left out), installations that you can TOUCH and INTERACTIVITYYYY (so important!), QR-codes and apps that you download right after paying the ticket for AUGMENTED REALITY, animated Van Goghs, Tiktok-friendly exhibitions design and colorful walls ....

any of the following topics are trendy and very important when making a contemporary exhibition: LGBTQ+ genderfluid feminist-art equality minorities blacklivesmatter protest-art, documentations of demonstrations, social activism, smash the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, cancel culture, Camus, Foucault, Adorno, gayness

>>7056910
Millionaires into traditional art could easily crowdfund a gallery for males

>>7056649
Would be impressive for a little girl with no art educatin

>>7058177
this was made *after* she finished uni

>>7058173
would be torn to shreds within minutes by feminists

>>7058183
Feminists can't cancel you if you refuse to leave the public arena in shame. Think about how the right-wing millionaires out there keep hanging on. I am not a fan of Elon Musk because the monkey torture is creepy but he has said many anti-woke things and women loathe him and still is a public figure who runs a business.

>>7058212
like i stated, anon, 3rd wave feminists are on the gears of all major art institutions, galleries, juries, commissions and whatnot. you say one wrong word and you're done. the art world is fairly small and word gets around quickly.

>>7056617
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>>7056680
Käthe Kollwitz comes to mind as well.

>I felt that I have no right to withdraw from the responsibility of being an advocate. It is my duty to voice the sufferings of people, the sufferings that never end and are as big as mountains.
Diary entry (1 April 1920).

>>7059646
Kollwitz is t. GOAT
her drawings and prints are top notch

>>7055141
>intransparent
Opaque.
Yes, it's literally a cult now.
The solution is not whining about it, but making your own cult with blackjack and hookers.
Every good small studio is three guys doing a passion project, as soon as it succeeds it gets forcibly bought by kikes and filled with women.
The smart guy would learn to profit off that predictable systemic injustice.

>>7060085
>it gets forcibly bought by kikes and filled with women.
sounds good

I just feel that it's a shame how everybody has to play along and accept that it's all corruot to the core. They put out "open calls", but really the decisions are either already made in advance or the jury gives the money straight to their artist friends. It makes it so much harder for young artists to even get to a point where they aren't constantly depressed and consumed by existential crisis and dread. It is even more infuriating when you sit there and watch absolutely /beg/ ad ngmi tier artists with friends in high places be handed everything on a plate.

>>7060302
Strangely enough, gay French men have been a bigger problem than Jews in the art world. They like to fill things with "minority art" that is just scribbles that supposedly expresses their anguish
Jews were patient zero of their minority retardification

>>7058214
Feminists have a short fuse. It's best to not engage with them or to trick them by claiming your work is about female empoweriment

>>7060085
>The smart guy would learn to profit off that predictable systemic injustice.
The thing is, you're right. If the system is shit, you learn to exploit it. I'm currently waiting to hit menopause age to start my role as a shit-tier content creator making ugly watercolor greeting cards or some such atrocity. I'll call it Margerie's Craft Menagerie or some shit, and take on an empty nest widower cat lady persona.
I encourage you to do the same with some kind of old dude hobby to attract the Boomeroid crowd. Make minor snippy jokes about your "wife", meet all the stereotypes, suck them in.

Retarded post. Everyone in this thread is absolutely insufferable, I wish I could kill all of you.

>>7061762
Foucault, Derrida, Adorno and such are shilled in basically all art academia. As far as I know, Foucault was a cheese pizza man and the others weren't cleann either.

>>7061765
>trick them by claiming your work is about female empoweriment
actually a good way to subvert the system at hand.

>>7061979
that's a good plan, anon. do shit work for money and do what you love on the side.

Anyway, OP here and things are still working out for me. I get grants, currently on a artist in residence and an email about winning a competition (other artistic field though).
So you /trad/ folks, hang in there, do lots of applications for open calls. Like anons in here suggested, if the system is biased, fuck with it and LARP as a fembot or blue-haired oppressed minority if needed.

when I see you basement dwelling fags drawing nothing but caricature anime tiddies and comically spurting body orifices, I don't feel so bad about myself after all.

>>7062016
>I wish I could kill all of you.
jealous much? ngmi

>>7056910
isnt that the whole point of being a woman? to be as much the same as everyone else around you so you dont offend the top % males?

isnt that the whole point of being a man? to be different from everyone else around you so you can achieve the most?

seems to be like the law of large numbers is reaching it's apex in our modern age:
- blacks make up almost all of the prison system
- men make up almost all of the prison system
- women make up most of the corpo jobs
- corpos are unanimously all about sensitivity and other weak shit

but we have 1 advantage that our ancestors never had:
- access to education
- stable society
- not forced to go to war and die

if you're not reaching your full potential in modern society, that's because you're a woman

>>7063804
>stable society
sorry to break it to you ...

>>7056649
Traditional artists are so powerful

>>7063865
art funding is literally untapped $$$. most of the time, there are like somewhere around a hundred submissions for an application in central europe, say for an area of around 1million people. really only academic artists know about this most of the time.
i am 100% sure that any hobby artist could LARP as a feminist artist, write a 1 page statement on why they are oppressed and have no money, dip some tampons in red food dye, throw them against the wall, spray pink and yellow color streaks over it randomly and write "against the patriarchy!" in red -> photograph this bullshit, make good prints and put it in a file. make ten copies of your fake cv, print the photos, fill out and sign the application forms and send it via mail.

1 out of 10 times you will receive funding. i'm not even joking.

>>7055141
The board you are looking for is /adv/ anon

>>7063896
I'd rather switch to /x/