/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7054965
true

unstructured painting out of laziness. It probably made it a lot harder.

>>7054965
unironically not true

>>7054936 face is weakest and distracting, ripped jeans probably have na interesting texture, find reference
>>7054921 based
>>7054744 I have a slight impression the brush does not fit the painting, but I'll see if you prove me wrong
>>7054424 very based green monster! post the end result!
>>7054229 great stuff pawell, you returned to your element quality-wise. I also installed Enterprise LTSC on my new PC.

How long should it take to draw like this and churn out similar pieces at a daily/bi daily basis? Honest answers pls

>>7054988
1 year of CONSISTENT and DELIBERATE practice. Minimum 2 hrs a day, 30 minutes of pure figures, and drawabox on the side.

>>7054940
I like these collage images

fuck it

>>7054992
me too

>>7054983
glad the texture's interesting
will work on faces more

>>7054996
Looks good

reposting from last thread.
Any critique? tips or guides to improve rendering?

>>7055092
You should first learn lighting in order to train rendering. The lighting on your pic makes no sense, backs looks like it's in the bright light, but the ass is in total shadow. With your lighting only the very bottom of the ass should be darker and shadow should be very soft. There wouldn't even be any terminator lines visible to the viewer with this perspective and light this bright.
Here is a good video explaining lighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vapw6n6FyU

>>7055081
Did you draw this with a mouse and also your eyes closed?

is it recommended to occasionally draw without reference to learn? I try from time to time, but more often than not I just get frustrated with how dogshit it comes off. am I just lacking in my anatomy studies? should I just ignore it

>>7055109
it's a good way to get better at drawing from imagination, but if you don't fully understand how to draw something, use them refs boi

>>7055111
I guess you're right. I'll try to do it after I get a bit better then
>>7055109
forgot pic

>>7055109
of course

Working on my manga "master study."
Realizing the arm is at the wrong angle and the proportions aren't that great.
I really don't feel like erasing all that.
I guess the lesson here is don't render detail until the perportions are correct.

learning about clothes and folds

Is this even helping? Can’t tell

>>7055103
Thanks.

Focusing more on mannequinization and less on anatomy. Trying to build up myself into drawing torsos from imagination and them move on to legs. I've drawn them before, but without the arms, and mostly static.

>>7055228
Forgot the pic

>>7055050
Lovely shit! You are a blessing to the /tg/ drawthread!

>>7055230
pay attention to perspective, T-overlaps and line weight (which are the ways to convey depth/form when you don't have value to help you out)
also double check your proportions

Wow that came out terrible I'm never going to escape being being a giga ulta /beg/

How? Just how? Why was I deprived of talent?

>>7055253
>Why was I deprived of talent?
Talent isn't real, it's just skill being applied in a clever way which is different between everyone

I’m not going to draw for this thread, either. Happy Lunar New Year!

Are there any courses that can get me from scratch to relatively advanced?
And I mean with unreal levels of handholding. I feel like I need to be told exactly what to draw and when, until I can eventually do it on my own.
If I get told, “just draw figures” I get bored and make no progress.

>>7055271
My approach is
>think of thing I want to draw
>pull up reference photos of that thing
>try to draw the reference photos
>also try to draw it from imagination, for more practice

>>7055271
If you get bored that quickly, I'm not sure you actually want to learn how to draw that badly. At least, you can't quite see how the things you're learning directly translate to your ability to draw.

>>7055284
>you can't quite see how the things you're learning directly translate to your ability to draw
exactly
>>7055280
hm, I might try this

>>7055286
>Practicing lines helps you with line work
>practicing forms aids in construction
>perspective helps add dynamism and realism
>observation to build a visual library
>Gesture to add dynamism to your poses and the objects you draw
All of these add up to your drawings not looking boring, flat, or outright wrong. There's nothing wrong with surrealism or abstract art, but you need to practice some other, possibly more advanced, things for that.

I erased the worst of it. Need to wrap it up and get to the kanji portion of the exercise.
The left arm is really hard and cold be a study on it's own, I really half assed it.
My kanji writing sucks. That's kinda the point. I'll rewrite it correctly after I look it up.

Could anybody tell me if there are glaring proportions mistakes before I keep working on this?

I'm not gonna draw today but because I hurt my wrist using my drawing tablet like a retard
>>7055271
Probably proko basics, but I've never personally done it

>>7055313
yes, lots. ink it anyways. inking / coloring my work always makes the mistakes stand out to me. good learning experience

>>7055313
arms are too thick for a normal female body imo. head is wide and seems a bit small compared to the rest of the body

>>7055271
No, if you don't have a passion to draw things outside a strictly delineated curriculum you'll never make it. Learning to draw is at least 60% work you do on your own and any education is supplementing your progress. People in drawing classes will never make it if they're not curious to figure out how to draw things outside class time and instruction just curious self-taught people will be able to make it with limited teaching material.

any tips?

>>7055333

>>7055333
>>7055336

>>7055333
>>7055336
>>7055338
learn to get a photo and copy it accurately. That will make you be able to control your lines and shapes so so well.

should I commit to this?

>>7055348
>No coom
No.

>>7055348
Yes, it's cute

>>7055253
Genetics determines IQ, intelligence, appearance and aptitude to activities. What are you? Rajesh? Jamal?

>>7055304
Why are you writing kanji now?

Have this
https://animecards.site/learningjapanese/

>>7055348
I think the eyes could use being a bit higher, right now she looks like she has an absurdly large cranium but maybe that s just the headset

any advice before i start lining this?

>>7055387
>Why are you writing kanji
Because I want to. It's part of the art form and I want to know how to do it right.

>>7054940
how do I know I'm not intermediate or a beginner?

>>7054940
bust that turned into begeta

>>7054940
phoneposted earlier like a retard

>>7055413
>>7055432
Congratulations.

>>7055395
Hand and forearm look a little flat. Just keep it in mind when you do that area.

>>7055271
That's my issue and why I worry I'm ngmi. I need to be directed exactly on what to do and my brain expects results if I do it, but art is so subjective and there's no 1 approach guaranteed to work within an arbitrary amount of time. This is why I'm a programmer, art sucks.

>>7055271
>>7055437
i took a coloso course for illustration (rojo's) and it was ok. might help.

im a programmer too and i find i have to change the way i think to draw so yeah

>>7055436
I see it, thanks!

>>7055395
That inner right thigh looks a little off. Line it's not wrong based on your construction, but it's not very sexy and since the skirt is so short you can see the underwear, I assume that's what you want. Make the thigh look less like a triangle.

Sup beg!

>>7055304
man up, do basic sketch in pencil and then INK it like a real japanese would. no pussying around with pencil
>>7055160
one of the art books told me the best way to tackle drapery is to ignore how real life cloth behaves and instead invent all folds so they enhance the form: so for example pants have all folds in round cylindrical form to suggest that legs are round
>>7055109
once you "master" drawing from observation there is nothing else to do but start the memory/imagination drawery
>>7055050
i like it, though the drapery is hopelessly flat
>>7054974
the basic blocking is in, now all you are missing is texture

>Didn't get a Powell reply
Kill me.

another one, not the best effort, Im just trying to gain momentum
>>7055478
thanks, I will try that
>>7055482
know that feel.

>>7055349
I plant to do at least 6 coomer drawings more, I kjust wanted a break and draw something easier and cute.

>>7055391
you know what? you right, I usually draw the eyes too big in the sketch and now I might have overcompensated.

>>7055487
forgot pic

Happy lunar new year!

>>7054940

>>7055253
just start drawing anon I started 5 days ago and I suck balls but it's okay because that's normal for beginners

How do I point out on the price list I don't want to draw queer stuff without making them furious?

>>7055567
State you are muslim and that faggotry is Haram.

>>7055569
But I won't be able to draw animals, can I just say I'm christian? Can they draw gays?

>>7055573
I just read up and muslims can't draw anything living with a face...
Can't you just say you aren't comfortable with homosexuality because your uncle raped you?

>>7055573
just say you don't want to draw gay shit, anon. if anyone complain it's just marketing

Working on a drawing for a /qst/ thread I started reading recently. I thought it was charming even if it's derivative.

>>7055584
Really digging your lines.

>Be dunning kruger
>Happily post my work everywhere because it's fun and I see no issue with it
>Eventually get over that stage and recognize how shit my skill really is
>Now too anxious to post anywhere save for the occasional beg thread, which I leave immediately upon getting criticism
Why am i like this?

>>7055595
I've been repeating this process for 7 years. Now my friends and family wonder why I have been drawing for so long but never post my work anywhere anymore

>>7055327
Does she still look too manly? The head is turbo fucked though Need to redraw it
>>7055322
Halfways into cleaning up and the mistakes just come out of the sketch. Like crabs and other critters appearing from the sand.

How fucked is it... Give it to me raw.

>>7055611
Before you go further, the head looks a bit off

>>7055619
Would you kindly redline it? I know it is wrong but it could help me TONS to actually know how to fix it...

>>7054940
Has anybody here actually improved from copying others?
What happens if you copy but don't understand what you are copying?
How do you fix the disconnection between being able to copy what you see and understand what you copy?

>>7055437
Same. I need a step by step guide to actually achieve anything. You can't just tell me to "draw the flow", you've got to explain to me how to interpret the said flow with lines.

>>7055595
Funny, I got crit'd yesterday for putting white spots on a pair of tits. Several anons pointed it out too and I was going crazy looking through countless anime refs trying to figure out why I even applied it (because all those references had silky smooth tits). Wasn't until today when I looked at 3D models on Smutbase and real porn that I realized tits actually do have it, they're the skin pores reflecting in the light, it's just most styles seem to get rid of it or combine it into one big blob of white.
This is all to say that sometimes even when a bunch of people tell you you're wrong, if your heart doesn't accept it but your brain does, you probably aren't wrong at all.

>>7055667
>how
>how
>how
JUST FUCKING DRAW

>>7055567
Have all your examples be straight content. List the stuff you’re into drawing/specialize in, and list only straight stuff. Turn down commissions for homo content. People don’t go to Taco Bell and order sushi. Cutesexyrobutts probably doesn’t get many requests for gay furry porn.

>>7055676
>JUST FUCKING DRAW
I already do, but I can't seem to progress.
I keep making the same mistakes over and over again, just in slightly different ways. That's why I am asking these questions.

>>7055271
DrawABox sounds right up your alley. Maybe the proko basics course, too, but DAB tests you like a retarded baby and will handhold you all the way from how to hold a pen to drawing tanks and scorpions and chimeras and shit.

But if you’re actually starting from scratch, read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards and then do DrawABox

>>7055667
Sounds like your issue isn't drawing, but learning how to learn.
You're not going to get a perfect step-by-step guide to learning to draw because a good chunk of it is problem solving. Resources like books and videos are nice, but they can only give you hints and general directions. The sort of instruction you want only comes with in-person classes.

I'm too scared to render anything I make and when I try it looks like dog shit

>>7055667
> Has anybody here actually improved from copying others?
Yes. Literally anyone who’s any good at all.
>What happens if you copy but don't understand what you are copying?
You’ll learn more slowly. (Assuming you’ve read Betty Edward’s book or keys to drawing or whatever and know how to draw what you see and not what you think you see.)
>How do you fix the disconnection between being able to copy what you see and understand what you copy?
Construction, and drawing the same thing from multiple angles.

Also see
>>7055686

>>7055688
Sucks to suck, I guess. I'll keep giving it a shot all alone though, I can't afford classes of any kind right now.

>>7055694
>Betty Edward’s book
I remember going through it before I bought a tablet, don't remember anything about it besides something about eyes being untrained deceivers and drawing a lot of stuff upside-down.
>DAB
Oh, yeah. That thing. Hated every minute of it. Worst thing is that you can't skip to the stuff that interests you because of how interconnected the classes are, it also doesn't help that he shills and tries to "scare" you into joining one of his classes on every page.

Should I start copying bargue plates?

>>7055729
Also, am I supposed to draw on an inclined plane like Pic related? I made it but don't know how inclined it should be or at what angle.

>>7055567
Simply do not respond if someone asks you for something you don't wanna do

>>7054988
source?

>>7055729
Also, I should give some context. My end goal is digital art, not traditional art. But I've heard that a good way to improve your digital painting skills is to improve your trad skills. Is that true?
Pic rel is also a digital study I did.

>>7055729
>>7055731
yes, doing that would improve your portraits very quickly since the main problem of those faces are poorly distributed values. I kinda like how you draw faces btw
an inclined plane in pencil drawing mainly serves the purpose of being able to see the model and your drawing at the same time, be sure to set it up that way

>>7055742
forgot this, study is very half assed. Don't be afraid to use the color picker until you can value the values sbegege

>>7055757
>poorly distributed values.
It's because I'm retarded and I don't know how to shade with charcoal. I've got one that's extremely dark and for some reason I just press harder on the outlines, then spread the dust with my fingers.
Thanks for the help, anon.
>>7055760
Isn't using the color picking kind of like tracing? Will it help me learn better if I actually did it?
Also, thanks again.

>>7055764
with charcoal you just press lightly and cover up whole shapes with uniform greys, forces you to think bigger. You can still shade with like a 5B pencil if you really have trouble with that specific charcoal
for the color picking thing, everything that helps you understand a drawing is allowed in a study, including tracing (done well) and color picking

>>7055537
I have been drawing since childhood, but I have remained an permabeg

>>7055808
post your work so that the whole board can laugh at your talentless slop and miserable existance. Anyway, if you don't have talent it's ok to just make AI art. You should also make threads on the board about it

Preliminary line work mostly done.
Going to apply lineweight and shade hatching next

it'll be a good day when im GONE

>>7055840
you should spend extra time on the cape (where does it attach? use reference) and hair (a bunch of scribbles is fine for a sketch but if you have to ink it it will be a nightmare)
nice sketch otherwise btw!

>>7055813
Most likely I'll just be ignored again

i was color picking but i couldn't for my life get the bread color to work

>>7055478
>ink it
Eventually. I plan to do a lot of these. When I get a decent pencil sketch done in a shorter time I'll move on to that.

>Suck at line art
>Only way to get good at line art is for me to actually practice it
>Don't have to the will to attempt it after finishing a sketch
Allah give me strength

>>7054965
Perspective and anatomy in the anime girl picture is out of wack, seriously just look at the redhead's left leg, the angle just doesn't make sense.

Any criticism would be appreciated. Pretty sure I fucked up the perspective on the lower legs but oh well.

>>7055152
>don't render detail until the proportions are correct
Looks like good advice but I have no idea how to apply it as a /beg/

I dont what wrong with me. I dont think im bad at art or whatever, but why did this take me an hour to draw.

What should i do to speed up my drawings?

>>7056025
you should read about eye level in perspective

>>7056039
and also is there anything i could fix (besides the hair ofc)

>>7056040
You mean something like this right? you think her left eye should be a bit further up?

>>7056053
no, i mean the horizon line stuff

what's his powerlevel now?

>>7056064
High beg

Posting this here. Saw an anon make a thread the other day about references for "ancient occlusion" (and for some reason remembered it as hand and not face). This came up on my pinterest, thought of you and how it might help other anons.

>>7056039
speed is just experience
forms feel flat and the designs are not very appealing
I'd leave line and color for now and do grayscale and studies from art you like

>>7055611
I separated her limbs a bit to make it a bit easier to understand. I think your head is a little bit too flat. I think my main issue with the pose is that I think the shoulders should be a bit higher to emphasize her arched back.

>>7056079
>This sexy anime girl was based on Filthy Frank
I kneel

Digital painting question: are special brushes a crutch or somehow hurting my rendering skills? You can do certain things on paper when using it to render stuff like a different eraser, certain methods of holding the brush, props like crumpled tissues or smudging. If I use something other than hard round tip brush on digital am I still properly learning when doing studies?

>>7056040
I don't understand what's wrong with the perspective

>>7056107
your brushes have nothing to do with learning properly
what silly question
you're better off asking yourself what have I learned (so far) after or during a a study
instead of just mindlessly copying shit

>>7056064
its both shit lol
talentless fuck

hoping to eventually master drawing bodies of all sizes for hentai i wanna make. would love feedback on these 4

>>7056171
you need to stop using the symmetry tool and be way looser in the sketch stage.

I tried sticking with only hard round opacity brush. Spent way too much time overrendering her face. And still couldn't make her look like the reference. She looks 20 years older. I think it's mainly because I couldn't make her cheek look full. I tried to render it for hours and it sucked regardless. Can't say that I didn't like the process, but after so much time spent polishing turd, I couldn't bring myself to finish the ear, I want to finally work on something else.

>>7056182
thank u. these are not i initial sketches, however. and as the purpose of these images are strictly for designing mostly-symmetrical characters, the symmetry tool is a crutch i’ll continue to lean on

>>7056192
looks good

took some anon's advice and am playing Art Academy DS and honestly it's pretty good at teaching. Anyone else here play this?

>>7056192
values are very off in some places (lips, collarbones, etc)
head is too big (compare the length of the trap vs the head)
squinting (simulated by the blur filter) always helps
also frame your drawing (with a simple rectangle) so you can check negative shapes

>>7056192
The highlights and shadows made it look like she had fractured her zygomatic arch. Redraw. Don't render anymore.

>>7056195
so you are not interested in learning to draw then, you are only looking for design critique?

>>7056079
How come your redline looks 3d but the original doesn't?

>>7056226
in this case, yes, looking for design critiques. and while i am always seeking to improve i (very clearly) already know how to draw

fwap
What did loomis mean by this?

>>7056237
oy vey

>>7056192
i think the eyes nose lips are bigger in the ref, also the forehead is smaller

rei

>haven't drawn in 5 days
it's over for me isn't it? i can't even work up the courage to do something because I know it's going to turn out badly

>>7056282
Draw her nipples.

>>7056286
Now?

>>7056284
>i can't even work up the courage to do something because I know it's going to turn out badly
Is that a logical thought to have? Doesn't everyone start out bad? Isn't it better to say that you've got to get through your bad drawings to get to your good ones and every opportunity you take to draw is getting you closer to getting past your bad drawings?

I've neglected fundamental practice and human study ever since i repicked up drawing 3 months ago (In favor of stylized robots) Tell me how bad is the damage? Flipped pages to follow in next post

>>7056313
Damn it forgot to rotate the images before posting

I got bored with Fun with Pencil and drew this.

>>7056284
If you draw something bad just make a new drawing, it's literally that easy. What is there to lose by making a bad drawing? There is only stuff to gain. The only way you lose something is by not drawing.

>>7055926
This is awesome, I love the creativity
>>7056313
>>7056315
Based. It all looks decent. It’s probably not super important, but I recommend you watch how Peter Han and/or Charles Hu do the line exercises. It looks like you’re going too fast, and it looks like you’re not paying attention. I don’t say this because they’re frayed or fuzzy, but because I can see where you’re not starting the lines at the exact same point each time. You’re supposed to retrace over the exact same path as the first line, and you’re not starting it at the same point. The start is the easy part, so I think you’re just not being deliberate enough there.

>>7056169
why are you angry, anon?

>>7056351
Yeah I've slowed down a bit myself. I'll look into those 2. later. If you have any other critique/tips im happy to hear it because traditional + pen is not my preferred medium.

Is it retarded to do bargue plates digitally? Trying to get used to using my drawing tablet more.

Lost on my own postponingness...

What's the best type of brush to study with?
I'm starting to study traditionaly from books and courses and I'm liking it but I don't like to use so much paper on just scribbles of lines and cubes. So I want to start training digitally but when I draw in digital I use a very bold and almost pixel art type of brush. And I think that might not be very helpful

>>7056369
>Is it retarded to do bargue plates digitally
there is no difference

>>7056391
get a brush that makes marks you like

a good brush is the difference between a good and a great artist.

only retards force themselves to draw with basic brushes.

>>7056391
The pawell brush.

>>7056391
If you're studying, do it with whatever brush you feel more comfortable with. I personally use Write BōrupenP

>>7056214
I did it last year, it was fun, the lessons are well thought out. I used DeSmuME + wacom one it worked great, its best to play the game rather than using another app because then you don't have to bother with finding the right brushes and colors, also the brush engine is really good.

I will not draw today. I will not draw today. I will not draw today. I will not draw today. I will not draw today. I will not draw today. I will not draw today.

>>7056403
>"I'll take 'Is tracing over photos the worst you can do?' for 800, Dave."

>>7056418
tracing is not the same with copying

>>7056418
thanks for the compliment bro

How do you hold a stylus for digital drawing? I hurt my my wrist every single time I try to do digital.

>>7056458
Your wrist should barely move when you draw, no matter the tool. You either don't draw with your shoulder or you squeeze the hell out of the pen

>>7056463
skill issue

>>7056409
I accidently drew too much. now I'm going to fail my classes

>>7056463
Then it has to be the squeezing, because I do use my shoulder. I feel like nothing happens if I don't press down hard.

>>7056470
>I feel like nothing happens if I don't press down hard.
What kind of tablet do you have? I had that issue back when I used a cheapo huion

Working on some quick draws. I think I got the weight of the body in the position, but I couldn't get the torso to look quite right. It doesn't look like it's coming forward quite the right way. It's just kind of sitting on the hips a bit unnaturally.

>>7056473
It's the cheapest and smallest Intuos I think. I bought it in 2021.

>>7056468
trying to put the time aside to workout and draw with work to do fucking kills me.

>>7056475
try exaggerating the overlaps

>>7056470
change pressure curve in driver or drawing software. I had same problem with intuos pro. specifically you want to set max pressure a lot lower within a span that you are comfortable using. for me that's two steps towards soft on the pen feel or you can configure the entire curve yourself. Wacom fucked up something. It's very common for max pressure to be unreachable with factory settings.

>>7055877
kind of felt sorry that they fucked you over after you actually posted your work, so I won’t laugh, even though it is weird shit. That’s none of my concern so I’ll just tell you to take a perspective course, then a gesture course. I recommend also looking at the sticky if you need more help figuring out where to start. Best of luck

>>7056486
I'll try that, thank you.

Tried art for the first time after only ever doodling, followed the sticky and tried the igor stravinsky drawing. It's messy, but everyone starts somewhere I guess.

>>7054940
sketch

>>7056490
>I won't laugh
I will

>>7056533
Not a day goes by I don’t think about that ugly upside down fuck and how much I hate his fucking guts

>>7055926
I think it could work if you put some desaturated blue or purple in the dark side of the leg

Getting into expressions and I think(?) I'm starting to finally understand the curved brow line in the Reilly method (the red lines at the bottom of the image)
Any crits would be great, and don't worry I know my perspective is a bit off

even the absolute worst images in this thread gigamog me it's over...

>>7056483
i mean, is it, or youre just bullshitting yourself? 30 minutes is enough for a good workout, another 30 minutes for a good draw that gives you a little challenge.

I get you tho, sometimes you just simply feel overwhelmed and overthink it.

>>7056608
Not me. I am utterly and hopelessly shit.

>>7055587
Thanks! I'm glad the training in that area showed even in my messy sketching.

Another /beg/ here. Started learning some basics and perspective. Figure drawing and good fundamentals is what has me excited the most for now.
Is pic related actually good advice? I'm really looking for something to grind on to complement my "regular" drawing.
Could I alternatively copy Hamptons Figure Drawing book twice, or is that book unsuited for that?

Will I learn figure drawing, shapes and construction by doing this?

>>7056651
Your work is a culmination of what you practice doing, if you draw figures and challenge yourself to deliberately work towards accuracy you'll get better at it.

>>7056550
that guy would steal my non existant girlfriend

>>7056651
Hampton is more suited towards begs, but because of that I think it doesn't fit with the "copy twice" mentality. Really what you want to do is learn the methods and principles and not just mindlessly the illustrations. I'm vehemently against the idea of recommending Bridgman to begs, he's notoriously cryptic and hard to understand

Feel good that I sticked with this. Tried a random brush then drawing massively improved in just 10 minutes from texture and detail.

>>7056647 love that.
>>7056607 cant crit, but what do u think about the method?
>>7056403 diggy diggyt
>>7056400 kek
>>7056608 I feel the same desu. But I am sure many other people feel that too. No other way than forward.
>>7056288 keep up

>>7056678
I was wondering about Hampton. Does it include actual advice on exercises and how to practice? Or does it only show and discuss techniques and references?

>>7056692
Been a while but I think it does, at least a little

>can't decide if i want to focus more on digital or trad
>really want to sketch on the go
>most of my learning materials relate to digital
>have nice digital setup
>do not want to get into watercolor or irl color mixing for the foreseeable future
>but like really want to just be able to whip out a notebook and pencil whenever i'm not at home

i don't suppose sketching skills translate over, do they?


>Please wait a while before making a post
wtf did i do i haven't even opened any threads today

Give me harsh critique on this please

(background is a little 2014-era tumblr girl galaxy-ish, but whatever, looks good)

I AM TIRED OF SEEING NEWER ARTISTS JUST FUCKING RUSH PAST ME. I AM FUCKED IN THE FUCKING HEAD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND SHIT. I CAN'T MAKE SHIT THA TISN'0T SHIT. EVERYTHING IS SHIT.
THE PART IN THE BRAIN THAT WOULD DRAW WAS EXCISED FROM MY FUCKING SKULL BEFORE I WAS BORN.
THERE IS NO HOPE.

Can I get some crit? Want to make sure its not off here before I clean up/color
>>7056724
I'm beg but from what I can tell
- You're not going dark enough in places (the ear, the middle of the torso)
- You're not following the shadow shapes super closely (center chest, left arm, bottom of torso etc)
- Your brush is pretty smudgy, assuming you're trying to recreate the texture but maybe try laying in with a more "basic" brush and then adding texture? again im not a good painter

>>7056724
This is really cute, I like it a lot.
Maybe make particularly dark/light areas more extreme.
Also, since you don't use the same background, the lower right of the bunny's body is a bit aimless because on your reference it's lighter because of reflected light from the bright yellow blanket.

Serious question: How do I stop autistically looking for the perfect construction method? I never draw myself, I just do studies/copies/gesture drawings.

I forgot why I even started drawing. I think because I wanted to draw cute anime girls and epic manga panels like in berserk. I don't want to quit drawing but I want to find my purpose and meaning again, and actually do something that is fun, but I feel like I can never really being to create my own artwork because I feel an autistic need to be good enough first.

Please help a howie

>>7056731
way better anon, its an improvement. Maybe the drapery can make the pose hard to read, but its hard to tell at this point, so keep it in mind.

>>7056781
pyw

>>7055866
Thanks! I'll emphasize the cape draping from the two shoulder straps since it seems like it's kinda just there as you mentioned. I'll also try to find some art I like with updos.

What is the source of this page from the sticky?

>>7056781
Try drawing without construction, and post your work.

>>7056801
just a collection of tips from a monthly manga ero magazine. dunno the name

>>7056169
pyw you hack fraud permabegnibba

>>7056801
learn how to use search engines, saucenao: https://www.fakku.net/hentai/mario-interview-one-point-advice-corner-60-english

think im improving
>>7055333
>>7055336
>>7055338

>>7056827
you're throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks
a better/faster approach is to just copy from your favorite artists (to ingrain their proportions/shapes/stylization)

Wait, where is the schizo anon? Bro I hope you're not gone.

Ok, I had my dose of cute drawings, now back to coom works...

>>7056610
Probably both. I do 5x5 lifts so 30 minutes only gives me about one or two lift before I need to head back home. Plus I have an hour commute from home to the gym. For drawing, sure 30 minutes is enough time to “just draw” but it isn’t enough for figure studies, drawabox, and “just draw”ing. I make up time for both on the weekends, but like I said during the week it gets tough.

>>7056610
>i mean, is it, or youre just bullshitting yourself? 30 minutes is enough for a good workout, another 30 minutes for a good draw that gives you a little challenge.
pyw

>>7056651
It's a joke, several jokes even.
Bridgman books are terribly written and useless for /beg/s. And it's also a silly studying method.

I see anons who started way later than me get better in just a couple months and I am starting to think that negative talent is real.

>>7056859
Just draw retard

>>7056861
I have been "just drawing" for years and I am getting humilliated by kids who are "just drawing" for months.

>>7056859
Talent is not real, faggot-kun. “Talented” people are way more passionate than you, they practice more than you, therefore they are better than you. It’s just a fact of life.

>>7056863
You're not actually trying then

>>7056731
Other than the obvious crit that I can give you that you chose the wrong saber...
I think the composition is solid but the execution could be better. It's hard to see the farther hand to know what it's up to. I think that if you want to have the dango being given be that big, the foreshortening would have the arm and hand be even bigger than what you drew. Other than that, I agree with the other anon about the skirt making the pose hard to read. (In this situation nero is unironically better since her skirt is see through)

>>7056859
yeah, talent is obv real.

>>7056604
i kneel painterchad

phil hale study

>>7056731
I don't know how to explain it but your artwork feels very "correct" but at the same time not very appealing.

>>7056870
its pretty good but theres some wonkyness in the hip/leg relationship and the dumpling stick

>>7056897
it’s not correct

>you have to FEEL the eye socket
>push towards the hip of the model
>pull the model's thigh towards you
what the fuck is this nigga talking about

>>7056916
>he can’t Feel The Form
ngmi

>>7056919
I am convinced that everyone is just memeing this phrase and no one actually does it.

>>7056923
what does making it mean to you?
if it involves money, youre ngmi

>>7056927
I meant the feel the form phrase

>>7056923
Every art instructor and book is in on the joke, it's a very fun one.

>>7056311
>>7056349
decided to do a copy/study, and it turned out to be my best one yet
maybe breaks are actually a good thing sometimes

>>7056794
thanks, drapery tends to be a "I can tell if it's shite only when done" for me but I guess nothing standing out is good
>>7056870
Was messing around w/ composition a bit and thought the little stick in the back would be enough of an indication esp w/ the arm but probably is a bit unclear now that you say.
I could switch to nero but I'm biased towards saber + not sure how to handle the transparent fabric well so want to stick to something more basic
also just curious how long (and how much a week) do you draw? that was so much faster than me
>>7056905
what's wrong with it?

>>7056107
Not necessarily. Knowing when to use hard shadows and when to use soft shadows is an important skill, and it CAN be hampered if you only ever airbrush shadows. A lot of artists tend to start with hard shadows then soften them up at places where appropriate, but you can put down soft shadows with airbrush from the get-go if you know what you're doing.

>>7056945
I draw daily, and at least 30 mins every day. That being said, since I started with doing a construction just based on what you had drawn, it was faster since I didn't have to think about the pose and all. About it being nero I'm just messing with ya I just really like her

>>7054940
how should i be doing color grading on photoshop? smudge tool doesn't work very well and unless there's a way to keep colors in separate layers i haven't been using the mixer brush. please give me some settings for brushes or another tool

>>7056953
sorry meant more of how many years has it been since you started seriously drawing
Even accounting for you starting on what I drew think you did pretty good pretty fast

aaaaaaa why is drawing on a computer harder

Looking for crits/advice on my western coom slop.
Is it sellable? I'm thinking of cranking out stuff like this to make ends meet. Any idea on what a commission like this should cost?

>>7056997
God your work is so beautiful

>>7056288
your style is really similar some french graffiti artists, you got the frog jeans

focused on drapery for my 30 mins today. none of this is to scale, i just made a collage of my studies. needless to say it was harder than i expected.

anyway does anyone have good clothed figure packs? someone linked a neat mega full of nude figures that i've found pretty useful. also, with drapery: do you draw the general outline of the shape first then add the bulges, or do you add bulges first? i plan to watch some videos of artists drawing to get a better sense of it in action but i'm curious as to how /beg/ does things

>>7057119
your art is cute. please never lose your soul

>>7057121
thanks anon. here are some more scribbles for you

>>7057124
i love these

How to pull out of permabegness?

I don't want to end up in the same bucket as the now defunct bunch of autistic deviantards who have moved on to proompting

>>7057154
fundies

>>7057156
Sure.

Practicing some gestures, tonight. I limited myself to 2 minutes. Couldn't finish many of them, but other than that, I feel like something(s) is off still. I can't quite place exactly what it might be though. Maybe they're stiff in some way?

>>7057154
Practice, have fun, be curious, always keep learning, embrace failure as the path to success, analyze what you do wrong and try again, if repeated attempts don't show improvement make a longer-term plan to fix the problem, avoid latching onto one or two things you can do competently and keep yourself in the zone where you're at least a little uncomfortable with whatever you're doing.

I can see why some people who can draw told me they hate cubes.

>>7057184
At this point I'd look at quick gestures as a warm up exercise where you're moving your pencil really quick and not over thinking and if it's scribbly, who cares. I think what Nicolaides taught as a quick figure gesture is easy more useful to /begs/ than most gestures which are really intended for /int/s.

>>7056217
>>7056279
>>7056218
Good catches, thanks

fwap

>>7055050
I like it

How can I force myself to draw more "squarish" forms or build portraits by using straighter lines? Left is a an attempt to draw my mum, middle is a copy after Proko, and right is another study after I forgot who.

>>7057407
>How can I force myself to draw more "squarish" forms or build portraits by using straighter lines?
by drawing straight lines? wtf do you mean forcing yourself? you dont have autonomy over your own body?

>>7057409
No, I mean, I keep starting the wrong way, by drawing rounder lines or ovals instead of doing it the right way like everyone else I see., fugg :((

>>7057410
>I see., fugg :((
1 - typing like this makes ya sound like a teenager or an infantile adult on twitter, stop it

2- follow these videos and learn to fucking search for answers instead of being an attention seeking idiot playing victim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8z4NQMiFKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9YKQQo9zeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8_YV5H7Po

>>7057414
Thanks.

>>7057417
no problem friendo ;)))

>>7057414
>everyone must talk and think like a 4chan bot le stoic adult
this is a creative board. let people express a smidgen of emotion without completely shutting them down.

>>7057425
grow up, buttercup

>>7057431
ok enjoy talking to robots if that's the culture you want to foster. judging others seems like the grown up thing to do indeed.

>>7057414
> typing like this makes ya sound like a teenager or an infantile adult on twitter, stop it
No. It's soulful. Normalnigger.

>>7057433
found the underage Xitter
>>7057435
now this is an arguement i can respect, svol should never be sacrificed, I agree

I didn’t draw during the Super Bowl. What a riveting game.

I started drawing like two weeks ago after buying a $20 tablet. Here's some sketches and cube doodles. Open to critique, help.

>>7057446
Hope you enjoyed the commercials and pauses. And the ~15 minutes when the ball is actually in play I guess, but that's just a bonus.
Stupid game for stupid people, it's the Independence Day of ball games.

tried drawin an arctic bunker but I dont get how to make the orange highlights make sense or at least look good

>>7057591
the fuck are you even trying to do with that orange shit

>>7056940
good study. hope you learned something from doing it
>>7056996
I think it's competent enough to be commissioned yeah. unless you already have some dedicated followers, start low like 20~30 bucks and gradually increase when you start getting requests consistently
as a critique, I'd suggest you learn how to use thinner lines. thin linework is honestly much more expressive and kind of a "standard" in the 1girl type of drawings even in western styles

Doing drawabox, I'm at the 250 box step atm. I'm wondering if in my 50% "free" time I should just do random stuff off of imagination or also copy other people's stuff if that's what I want to do?

>>7057254
I see, I should maybe scribble a mass of lines that looks vaguely humanoid, then. I'll give that a shot.

>>7057617
>The other half is reserved only for drawing done for the sake of drawing. In other words, play. Experimentation, just throwing yourself at the page and giving yourself full freedom to just try, even though the result will likely turn out badly.
Thought this was pretty clear

>>7057615
This is shit

>>7056916
who is this

>>7057621
am brainlet and started overthinking stuff, thanks for the spoonfeed anon. It's clear now

>>7057632
NTA but I beg you to pyw.

>>7057635
No trouble king, have fun

>>7057634
Glenn Vilppu, famous art instructor and author of the Vilppu Drawing Manual.

>>7057634
>>7057639
And a card-carrying gooner.

>>7057648
what is this from?

>>7055989

If you can make it in one artistic field (e.g. writing), can you make it in another? Is it easier at that point? Just an indicator of success? Or do you think the two skills are wholly unlinked/unrelated to how the brain works?

>>7056651
As a /beg/ you don't know how to analyze how he's interpreting the anatomy, but if you just want to practice accuracy it's probably alright and will get some minor experience with proportion, but you're honestly better off just copying comics or manga that you like.

>>7057698
Thanks. As mentioned I am mostly looking for good things to grind like 1/2 the time while for the other 1/2 I continue copying from artists I like or create things myself.
I also had the fear that I made not have enough knowledge to make proper use of something like that or Hampton.
Do you think that grinding more basic forms, perspective and shading first will enable me to get more out of figure drawing and construction books?

Boxes, Cylinders, Cones, Ribbons, Pyramids, Spheres, anything I am missing?

I'm bored beyond belief but not enough to get down to drawing.
What do i do to procastrinate? I played through all games worth playing and watched everything worth watching.
Its either books or exercise for now.

>>7057739
Update, went out for a long ass walk. Should be back in an hour or so. I'll take my sleep meds once i'm back to skip through the few remaining hours of the evening boredom

>>7057790
Ok.

>>7057253
My friend, don't be afraid to pull out the paper and ruler, it will benefit you. This is fundamentally not very good.

Less blogposting more drawing

Realised way too late that I messed up the left arm, but fuck it, I had fun with this one.

I really don't have anything to do. Should i sit down and give drawing a go, i wonder?
I would but the thought that at lest 10k hours total is necessary for attaining mastery over the craft makes me want to postpone the whole ordeal.
If its gonna be that long i might as well start tomorrow.

If you reply, you're a bitch.

Beeeg.

>>7057615
pro. i kneel
>>7057591
first rule of drawing: if you dont know, seek reference
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/de/ce/8edece72d87596d9e214cb95a776c51c.jpg
notice the contrast of shiny roof reflecting orange sun. use color picker and apply all the colors to your pic
>>7057481
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing
>>7057410
there is no right or wrong workflow. some people use cylinders, some use boxes, some use gestures and some literally draw the final contour first. dont try to bend yourself if it isnt working, all paths leads to finished canvas anyway
>>7057344
nice but there is the construction?
>>7057154
easiest is to IMHO pick up art book which will automatically push you out of your comfort zone
>>7057119
websites and catalogues which sell clothes tend to have dynamic poses, tried that?
>>7056997
EEEEY nice
>>7056996
it is coomable, but rather basic. try to add more skin tones with some air brushing
>>7056916
if you cannot feel the form i recc beg book: Eviston: The Art and Science of Drawing
>>7056891
thumbs up
>>7056859
hard work beats talent 10 out of 10 times.
>inb4 what if the talented person works hard?
then you will never catch up to them, sorry
>>7056841
i kneel, though she isnt as smug as she was in sketch
>>7056724
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/148
>>7056712
there isnt really difference between sketching in trad or digital, one just doesnt have zoom or undo. the skills are transferable. only when you start rendering or dealing with color then the difference is BIG
>>7056651
if you dont master observation and perspective first, you will die as a beg trying to do figure drawing. you have been warned
>>7056647
very cute
>>7056324
>that squished booba
you have the coomer gene, if you will endure the beg your coom art will reach the heavens. overall the pic is very beg though
>>7056313
while practicing basic geometry shapes is useful, it isnt nowhere near as important as a real fundies like observation

Am i too childish/immature in skill for art?

>>7057963
Every time I see your nonsensical blob figures, it gives me a reminder that no matter how bad I am, at least I am not THAT permabeg level of bad. Thank you, pawell.

>>7057968
That's just step one.
Betty's book has examples of people going from your level to realistic human faces in like a month or two.
If you want gains you're gonna have to treat it like a 9-5 job though.

>>7057977
Betty's book?
Also I can do that btw, I have a few other books and what not? But I also can learn by copying other artists right?

>>7058010
>Betty's book?
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards

>>7057615
Thanks for your input. I thought thick lines were bolder and made an image pop more, but maybe that's an outmoded style.

>>7057725
Art and Science of Drawing is worth checking out because it focuses heavily on learning to draw and use the basic shapes.

>>7057632
>>7057963
the annie 2b isn't mine, she's from this guy https://twitter.com/RyanARMoberly/status/1682449862108004355
just used it as an example of western styled 1girl with thin linework

Thread's dead, baby. I can drop this nonsense here now. Trying to get back to drawing random silly stuff like when I was a kid instead of endlessly studying. Bee movie gags are still funny...right?

>>7057873
Care to elaborate? My first time drawing cubes and cylinders with perspective in mind so some tips would help.

>>7057838
cool

>>7058071
thanks

>>7058061
You really just need to stay true to your vanishing point. Perspective's not very hard, you're just not at the level to eyeball it so whip out those guidelines.

Sometimes it doesn't work

>>7058020
Should i check any other art books too? I got marvel's way, some capcom art books, and a little ibt of this and that

>>7054940
Just started Keys to Drawing. Does anyone have any other reccomendations for /beg/ resources.

>>7057593
lol it was supposed to be highlights of a sunset sky but I fucked it all up
>>7057963
thanks bro. I tried winging it and only got lost and frustrated. tried again and am a little happier with this one but it's still not it

I don't want to draw today :(

I have decided to get back into it.
Its 2AM and i'm on sleep meds so about to pass out but when i wake up i'm drawing the first thing in the morning

I want to be able to draw crazy stupid shit like this one day.

>>7057963
Thanks, downloaded am enjoying.

>>7054940
Total /beg/. After doing studies what course should I do?

And how many studies should I do?

>>7058271
do you know what X thing looks like?
no? go do a study

I drew a slime today

>>7058301
good taste anon, keep going

I've been nothing down what works, what doesn't, and what has to be tested and from all the "works" entries I really don't like one which is
>use a reference
All of the other entries can be internalized and made automatic making me an inherently more capable and skilled artist but this one is just a crutch but it seems like a crutch impossible to vault over

>>7058375
fix your grammar, then maybe we can understand your post

Longer lines look better, the longer the better
But for details you need to zoom in, the line is shorter
How do you mantain a good rhythm for a line while drawing it "in parts" by zooming in?
Obviously having a bigger screen/tablet/canvas helps, but there's only so much you can upgrade your supplies.
Perhaps a second display showing you the macro view? But even then your lines is still not "truly" continuous (not made with a single stroke
What's the solution

My figure drawing class just threw us into anatomy tracing and I'm shit at visualizing even with landmarks. Does anyone know a site with a lot of anatomy tracing references? Currently on shoulder girdle.

>>7058480
practice
leave gaps
vector lines

>>7058496
>leave gaps
Huh

>>7058499
example from twitter

>>7058501
This looks like ass

>Decide to start practicing my fundies
>See Draw Comics the Marvel Way being recommended everywere

I don't need this book for babies I'm literally a pro artist I have a strong following I already made a shit ton of commissions.

>I instantly get filtered by the first exercise

I just discovered I'm a /beg/. How do I cope anons?

>>7058188
I sparred today after a 4 month injury, went back home with my shirt sprinkled with my own blood and a very swollen nose but I am very happy to be back at the ring.
Lately I have been feeling pretty sad about this whole drawing thing but realizing that I am more scared of my drawing tablet than of some light heavyweight trying to break my face.
With this small hope I did my daily doodle.

The raised thigh came out greatly misshapen and the arm is just "lol". At least I could paste a somewhat passable face this time.
Still flat and shit and grotesque as ever, though.

>>7058537
Timelapse.
As you can see I am too stupid for "fundies"

>>7057184
>>7057254
>>7057619
Should I be doing something perhaps closer to this, maybe?

>>7058561
Lol, sorry, I retract my advice. I think you're just not ready for gesture. Just do a basics course while drawing whatever you think is fun.

>>7058537
You're getting -10 social credit for these pitiful bao.

>>7057481
>after buying a $20 tablet
Man, just buy a paper and a pencil or/and save money for a good tablet. Cheap bad tablets will give you nothing, but disdain for drawing. I mean if you are already good, you can manage, but if you are an absolute beginner, either invest into stuff that won't hinder your growth on every turn or just use a pencil. If you are a poorfag, get good with a pencil and then when you have some skills to transfer, get used to cheap tablet.

new bread

>>7058685
>>7058685
>>7058685
>>7058685

>>7054940
So, I've decided I'm going to draw. What is the first thing I should do? Should I read a /beg/ book? Or practice drawing basic shapes?