/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

sculpting is much easier than drawing / painting. They could sculpt well, but not paint well.

Same with the Chinese. The Terracotta warriors are some of the most realistic sculptures in the world, but their drawing was very symbolic and systematized, not realistic at all.

>>7027783
I remember they used their hand when painting.

>>7027783
Some pompei stuff is early ren tier(/int/).
Greece evidently had some pros on the scene.

pretty good

>>7027783
Look for the villa of misteries in pompeii.

The Fayum mummy portraits are a good reference too, in addition to Pompeii

>>7028028
They should have grinded more loomis fundies.

>>7028222
i can smell the grease from this post, please shower.

>>7028028
>>7028226
Very impressive that they have almost managed to paint like 16th century renaissance painters in ancient times.

>>7028180
>we wuz romans n shieeet

>>7028243

>>7027808
Fuckin coomers man.

>>7028251

>>7028243
Wow left is some leyendecker/Moby franke kinda modern looking style. Muh rim right.

>>7028263
Yeah the style on some of these is incredible, and they're just little portraits stuck onto some mummies. And the Pompeii-Herculaneum frescoes are just from people's houses. Imagine what all the other paintings all over the empire would've looked like.

>>7028271
For context.

>>7028271
>romans were brown
lol what

>>7028276
They're Roman Egyptians

>>7028276
>average roman looked like the typical amerimutt

>>7028280
They look Turkish. It makes sense since they now live in the region that was once ruled by the Eastern Rome where most of the original Romans migrated to due to Gothic invasions.

>>7028180
Ancestor of XQC?

retvrn to tradition...
>Etruscan fresco from the Tomb of the Chariots, mid-7th to early 6th century BC

>>7028028
Gosh, this is beautiful anon, thanks for bringing this up. If anyone knows more ancient visual art that's likely overlooked by most people please post here. All I know mostly of the ancient times are sculptures and trinkets.

>>7028292
West Africa, surprisingly, had relatively sophisticated sculpture art, mostly done in bronze.

>>7028296

>>7028296
more beautiful than irl niggas

Greek amphoras went hard

>>7028316
Fuck, this made me burst out loud in the middle of the night

>>7028291
> centuries summed up with one image
Yup. We all know that it's true that the customs one century ago are fairly comparable to today's.

>>7027800
They did during Renaissance too. Some people still do today.

>>7027783
Guess images are worth thousands of words.

>>7028276
Roman empire was around the Mediterranean sea, and progressively expanded to Northern Europe (and elsewhere, but that's where the whitest white are). The more sun/warm there is, the browner people tend to be; many shades of white

>>7028315
>cumstained frescoe
bunch of coomers, those pompeiians

>>7028296
>>7028297
you really gotta realise (((THEY))) made out blacks to be retarded tribesmen with 0 cultural artifacts or art and then stole all their art and destroyed all their artifacts so they look right

>>7028511
people forget both Egypt AND Atlantis were located in Africa. Who knows what else was lost to history?

>>7027787
>They could sculpt well, but not paint well
As many of the posts in this thread illustrate, this is a big misconception about Greek and Roman art.

They COULD paint very well. The problem is that not much survives of their naturalistic painting, because it was all done with fragile material like tempura on wood. That's why most surviving examples are the mummy portraits, since those were preserved buried in a desert with no humidity.

We have way more examples of their pottery, such as this >>7028348
since that's much more durable than tempura on wood. But it's also impossible to do any rendering on it. Ceramic art was very stylized because that's what the medium called for, NOT because the artists didn't know how to draw or paint naturalistically.

Consider this ceramic piece from 18th century France. This was obviously centuries after the Renaissance started and every artist could do perfect naturalistic painting, but all the ceramic art from the period still looked like THIS, because that's just how ceramic art looks like.

>>7028276
no sunscreen...

As stupid as it sounds practicing sculpture is easy and cheap, lots of rocks are easy to carve and literally everywhere, like limestone.
Pigments were very expensive to make and they went bad quickly.
Blues were made of lapis lazuli for example, which was and still is used for jewelry.

>>7028551
>tempura
Their paintings vanished because I eated them all

>>7028614
people would mock this in /beg/ today. their paintings really did suck compared to their sculptures

>>7028296
>>7028297
not that they aren't cool, but ife heads were 1-2k years after the other art itt you know.

>>7028632
yeah I just thought they were cool since you don't see much art with such naturalistic features out of Africa

>>7028619
Well most of the surviving paintings are like commissions for frescoes and mummy portraits. Imagine if in 1000 years all that survived of us today was like /int/ level furry porn commissioned by upper-middle class people.

Don't forget who the Greeks learned it from, the Egyptians. Kaaper, or Sheikh el-Beled a statue of an Egyptian priest from the 5th dynasty, or 2500BC.

>>7028348
even back then white bois was drawing buff black niggas

>>7027783
it's such a shame that most of it is gone
also remember there were many famous ancient painters like Zeuxis:
>Although his paintings have not survived, historical records state they were known for their realism, small scale, novel subject matter, and independent format. His technique created volumetric illusion through manipulating light and shadow, a change from the usual method of filling in shapes with flat color. Preferring small scale panels to murals, Zeuxis also introduced genre subjects (such as still life) into painting.

>>7028586
>Pigments were very expensive to make and they went bad quickly.
Not really. Rust, ochres (dirt; dull yellows, oranges, reds), chalk & lead white, charcoal, and you've got yourself a dull Zorn palette, sufficient to mix skin tones.

Cinnabar raises this to a full Zorn palette. Verdegris gave a green; there are (rare) blue ochres (both permanent enough).

Just look ITT;many colors are still there.

>>7028251
yeah no this one is fake, it's clearly on canvas, the romans didn't paint on canvas

>>7028892
Amazing, almost hard to believe these are ancient.

>>7028551
>it was all done with fragile material like tempura
yummy!

>>7028551
>>7029434
TOP KEK

>>7028292
check out moche portrait vessels

>>7029360
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Aline

>>7028243
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>>7028280
These people unironically look like your average Latin American. What's up with that?

>>7029645
they’re egyptians

>>7027808
Is he weighing his donkey dick? whats the lore on this guy? wasn't small penises supposed to be a virtue in the old days, and does that mean he's portrayed unfavorably here?

>>7029657
His name is Priapus, he's a fertility god.

>>7029645
Take a wild guess word the word "latin" comes from.

>>7029645
Psyop, romans were germanic aryans (and not like swarty scandinavians) they were all blonde with blue eyes but they were systematically replaced with negroids italians.

>>7030028
Holy cope.

>>7030028
Romans literally dyed their hairs blonde because it was fashioned after the Germanic slaves. lel The reason they even became whiter is because they fucked shit load of German slaves.

>>7028232
Thats because history is not linear progression but an ebb and flow of recurring patterns

>>7029836
>Take a wild guess word the word "latin" comes from.

He will never get this hint.
This would need a minimum of background knowledge. Like e.g. "Romans spoke Latin".

>>7030040
>they fucked shit load of German slaves
the sheer irony of germany becoming the top european power 3 times and nothing changing whatsoever

>>7028273
This is spooky

>>7029362
yeah these are great
from ancient Macedonia 4th century BC from tomb of Agios Athanasios

>>7029836
>>7030096
…from that half of america being colonized by romance speaking catholic iberians instead of the germanic speaking prots on the other half?
said romance languages being derived from vulgar latin spoken the breadth of europe, including england?
what the fuck does that have to do portraits of egyptians?

>>7028243
Fayum mummies were of egyptians, not romans

>>7028607
i shrimply can't condone your actions.

>>7028658
you say that now

>>7030168
they haven't been the top european power once anon. the holy roman empire was a clusterfuck, the german empire never won a war and then neither did the third reich. stop watching discovery channel.

>>7031696
Roman Egyptians. Many of the portraits were from Antinopolis, a city Hadrian founded.

>>7028276
It's Egyptians and Jews

>>7032122
neither did USA
power =/= military

>>7032181
>americans had slanted eyes
>those are chinese
>american chinese, many of them were from chinatown, a city john geary founded

>>7028551
>But it's also impossible to do any rendering on it. Ceramic art was very stylized because that's what the medium called for, NOT because the artists didn't know how to draw or paint naturalistically.
A good artist never blames his tools, they just needed to get better.

>>7029645
>He felt for the /pol/ meme
Because despite what many people think and the extreme cherrypicking examples they provide, there's not much difference between the physionomy of people around the world.

>>7028551
That looks like magic marker my dude

>>7032790
>t. digicuck

>>7032566
very trve, i kneel
>A study published in 2017 by Schuenemann et al. extracted DNA from 151 Egyptian mummies. The samples are from the time periods: Late New Kingdom, Ptolemaic, and Roman.
>The ancient Egyptian individuals in their own dataset possessed highly similar mtDNA haplogroup profiles, and cluster together, supporting genetic continuity across the 1,300-year transect.

>>7033473
>jew science
can I see the genes?

>>7033478
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB15464
here's the genomic data for that study if you want to put the fastq files into R or whatever

>>7033481
>letters on paper
that’s cool, where are the genes, though?

>>7033484
>letters on paper
what do you think a nucleic acid sequence is mein nigger?

>>7028511
Belgians?

>>7033651
show me the genes, kike

>>7028690
Trump???

>>7028607
too based for this world

>>7028273

there is currently an exhibit on these fayum portraits in my country but i don't think i will have time to visit and i'm pretty bummed about that.

>>7027787
Realism isn't synonymous with good.

>>7033934
DNA sequencing is the white man's science

>>7034433
In much the same way that rocketry isn't synonymous with a moon landing.

>>7034632
>numbers on paper without evidence
>science
shoo shoo, schlomo

>>7028232
That's because the renaissance painters were trying to copy the ancient greeks and romans.

>>7029352
Nigger, where do you expect some Greco-Roman nigger to source all these different materials? A sculptor can just go to a single quarry and buy a fucking chunk of rock. Fuck they could find their own rock. If you wanted to source all these individual materials for paint it would be insanely time consuming and extremely expensive, this is not to include the brushes either. Unless you were under a wealthy patron, painting was something reserved for the elite, whereas sculpting could be done by the middle-class like a carpenter, a stone mason, etc since there are some transferable skills and tools.

>>7034935
>numbers on paper aren't evidence
If this is the quality of the "white" then the kike deserves to win
>>7034632
based

>>7038507
>t. octuple boosted vaxxoid

Someone better fucking explain to me why paintings only started to look good and epic around 1500s.
And you better fucking explain it fast, but this is a big fucking conspiracy I smell here.
There were good times and enough of comfort to create amazing paintings prior to 1500s.
Yet all we have are some horrid looking creatures, zero realism, pathetic angles and such.
You create life-like statues from a fucking marble but you tell me you can't do a fucking amazing painting?
Are you fucking kidding me right now? The fuck you think you're on? That's not how it works.
So start explaining. Fast.

>>7039734
Like this shit right here. The last Emperor of Constantinople and THIS is how you fucking paint him?
Are you on fucking drugs or something? How the fuck do you paint the LAST emperor this bad?
This is one of the most important people ever and this is the historical records humans create?!

>>7029645
It's Roman Egypt. They have an Arabic phenotype similar to modern Egyptians.

>>7039741
Well, for starters that's from a book so it's just some random scribe's /beg/ attempt to copy.
Second, the times were probably not very good and full of comfort during the last few years of the empire.
Anyway, the answer is oil paint.

>>7028222
i cannot smell the grease from this post, please do not shower.

>>7039734
sculpting is easy, retard
they literally made you learn sculpting before painting in art schools

>>7039741
>This is one of the most important people ever and this is the historical records humans create?!

Why do you think this is one of the most important people ever? What did he do? He just happened to be the emperor during the final days of Constantinople. He wasn't a very significant figure.

>>7041221
Are you retarded? Sculpting is the hardest of arts.
You literally have to hit and tend massive stone in specific order, angle, slow process.
Painting is easy and anyone can do that at any place with minimum tools. You're a weak troll.
>>7041334
He's literally the last emperor of the Roman Empire, the most important empire in world's history.
He's extremely significant and your ignorance is astonishing. Are you a Turk or something?

>>7042214
you’re an imbecile and neither sculpt nor paint, sculpting is pre-painting curriculum, and 50kg girls do it with ease, you’re not hammering marble like a mongoloid
stupid fucking larping nigger

>>7042224
Yep, you're a troll.
Future replies will be ignored.

kill yourself, mutt retard

>>7039757
Pretty sure nobody thought the city could fall.
Besides someone else could paint it somewhere else.
I do not accept this explanation. And oil paint was already a thing for 1k years.

>>7042214
nigger, do you even paragone? sculpting wasn’t even considered “the hardest of arts” even during its hayday, let alone in modernity

>>7042242
>already a thing for 1k years
A couple hundred at best, and not adopted until some dutchmen started mogging everybody with it.
It was tempera prior to that and tempera is SHIT.

>>7029657
>wasn't small penises supposed to be a virtue in the old days
I guarantee you 100% without question that the only reason tiny dicks were seen as virtuous and high class was a lot of nobleman happened to have tiny dicks. It's the same concept as koreans viewing obesity as attractive because kim jong un is fat as shit.

>>7042307
literally every michelangelo’s painting is tempera
>According to Vasari, Michelangelo called oil painting a medium for women and laggards.

>>7028276
Don't tell the /pol/tards they'll shit themselves

wow. this thread got shit pretty quickly

>>7042335
we know

>>7042331
>literally every
all 2 of them?

>>7042360
oh nonononono

>>7042365
This concludes the tempera paintings of mike angelo. Great stuff.

>>7042367
>>7042365
are you retarded

>>7038472
What about drawing/printmaking?

>>7039734
>>7039741
Highly realistic life drawing is a technique, techniques can be lost. As was the case at the end of Greco-Roman civilization. It was revived by Giotto and other artists who, for one reason or another, decided to leave the studio for once and really draw things as they saw them. Maybe the whole European continent was the target of bombardment by alien brainwashing rays during the Renaissance.

>>7041221
Bullshit. Drawing is the mother of all visual art.

>>7042418
the oldest preserved sculpture predates the oldest preserved drawing by literally hundreds of thousands of years, and sculpting reached its zenith far before drawing
sculpting is the more intuitive artform because it doesn’t require translating a 3d world onto a 2d plane and it only takes some mud in your hand

>>7029645
Mediterranean/Levantines are:
>Asians + Europeans + Africans
Latinos are
>Asians + Europeans + Africans
One wonders.

>>7042214
>He's literally the last emperor of the Roman Empire, the most important empire in world's history.
And...? Why does this make him important, what influence did he have on the world?

>>7042335
The Roman's weren't brown. They were fair, like all other Latin people. The browness of the Mediterranean people only really started during the Arab/Turkic conquests.

>>7042534

>>7042594
have you never seen an aryan on summer vacation?

>>7042599
yeah, they’re not brown, big nosed and curly haired, you coping cuck

>>7042605
curly

>>7042605
big nosed

>>7042599
if you tan, you’re not white, you’re swarthy

>>7042605
bronzied

>>7042615
that’s wavy, not curly
>>7042616
that’s a big nose for a white and it’s concave, not even close to a roman nose
>>7042626
that’s a spic

>>7029645
They are from Brazil in the World cup

WHEN I GET OLDER
I WILL BE STRONGER
THEY'LL CALL ME FREEDOM

>>7042594
the protruding mandibles of the Negroids and long limbs in relation to their torsos are very evident and what gives them their fearsome appearance.

We NEVER see that shit in ancient art.

>>7042681
wait, do we haveai trained on mauricio de souza's art?

>>7042417
That's depressing it can be lost. Thanks, anon.
>>7042527
It's not my problem you don't grasp history and significance of major events, anon.
At this point I must conclude you're a troll, so future replies will be ignored.

>>7042705
nigger, that’s like claiming prime minister of poland in 1939 is the most significant person in history because his country getting fucked by an invader started ww2
what exactly did Constantine XI do to be significant to history?

>>7042594
my ancestors :)

>>7042594
>brown = not aryan

You're fucking retarded

>>7042705
>It's not my problem you don't grasp history and significance of major events, anon.
I fully understand that the last emperor did basically nothing except beg the west for help and then died. What historical significance did Constantine XI have? What lasting legacy did he leave us?

For example Ceasar paved the way for the Republic to become the Empire.
Hitler and his actions explain nearly the entire political landscape of the modern world.
Constantine the Great normalised the Christian religion across the Mediterranean.


What did Constantine XI do?

>>7043163
you’re brown

>>7043172
I have blue eyes you fucking negroid

>>7043175
>I have the blue eyes, saar
>I am of aryan like great vishnu
>hi, hitler!

>>7042460
Do you mean to say that the act of drawing and painting is an unnatural thing?

>>7042379
not an argument

>>7028276
Their slaves were brown, but the elite ruling class were tartarian and the reason of the Roman empire collapse was a great mudflood wich is kinda ironic since the survivors were all mud people

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>>7042335
Off-topic

>>7029657
I agree with anon >>7042318. I also believe it's the same reason why big titty chicks were trashed for a while

>>7044872
Every time I see a schizo tard talking about this mud flood shit I want to reach through the screen and slap them so hard teeth fly
There was no mudflood and all the evidence consists of either things that are fundamentally not evidence or pure schizophrenia
All Romans were pure white btw, including the slaves and plebs!

>>7029645
Hitler lamented the fact that germanic, "White" people had poor history in comparison to southern brown europeans.

>>7042534
Its literally the reverse. The romans were brown/black haired and brown eyed with tanned skin, they were bleached by later northern invasions from germanic tribes.

>>7042318
the funniest of these forced memes is still the chonmage. forcing young dudes to wear a bad comb-over tops even powdered wigs as a bullying tactic.

>>7028232
are you stupid? the renaissance was looking back to the ancients for art

>>7034433
true but they usually go together to an extent. i would say the photocopy style common now looks like shit and is nothing like realism in the past, which looks good.

>>7042318
that's nonsense. you have a very simplistic and short view of the world, especially an alien culture.

>>7029657
no. presumably large penis is basically the same as erect penis giving a clear sexuality to the art. you obviously don't want to do that. since this is a fertility god, clear virility is important, the phallus is the most common symbol of fertility, though it is not the same as sexual in pornography.

>>7027787
>sculpting is much easier than drawing
For real?

>>7038472
>>7028586
yes but not really. there's lots of cheap ways of practicing sketching and printing. and everyone made their own paints from local materials it wouldn't be that hard since it follows from ink for writing. also, no way is marble from a quarry cheap at all, especially with the huge demand for it. carving wood would be, at least if you're not somewhere with no trees, but did they even do that?

>>7027787
Realistic drawing and painting is merely one avenue for 2d art. Judging Eastern art by Western standards is an absolute brainlet tier move. Just read a fucking book nigger so you don't embarass yourself next time.

>>7028296
What's so surprising about it?

>>7049873
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>>7042335
>>7028276

the latins (the people from the Latium region of italy) and the greeks were varied in looks, they were neither "BROWN" nor "WHITE NORDIC", a diversity of traits is mentioned or depicted everywhere in Greco-Roman media like frescoes, statues (which were PAINTED) or books like the Illiad.
modern genetic testing shows that both aristocracy and commoners cluster together with their modern descendants, your attempts to classify either half of a continent as inferior have no basis in reality

PD: stop judging by physical traits, judge by trait CLUSTERS. look at >>7028892 , >>7028614, >>7028348,>>7028315, >>7028291 and tell me they're the same ethnic group as >>7028243, >>7028251, >>7028255 and >>7028273. it's as retarded as looking at photos of Native Americans and saying "YEAH THIS IS WHAT ALL W.A.S.Ps LOOK LIKE BECAUSE THEY LIVE UNDER THE SAME STATE!!!"
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>>7033934
70iq illiterate retard, /pol/ isn't sending their best

>>7052291
not today, but pigment back in those days was more expensive than marble
the local material part is bullshit, certain pigments were sourced from a single site even into the 20th century

>>7039734
>>7039741

>this is a big fucking conspiracy I smell here
christianity popped up and in their retarded resentment they destroyed pagan temples, artworks, libraries and culture because they were products of values which they couldn't embody. Statues of gods, mythical heroes or admirable human examples (athletes, statesmen, generals) made by excellent artists are of no use to a crowd of broke worthless losers (ancient equivalent of bitchless, skilless, careerless AIshit loving /pol/tard chuds), and their existence causes them extreme envy, shame and resentment (slave morality), so they burn, demolish or deface these works and shame or even kill the artists, scientists and philosophers that produced them. same phenomenon as taliban or ISIS pigs smashing statues. the only remaining subjects for art that remain are the holy trinity or simple geometric shapes and patterns (abstract and nonhuman shit so it won't make religious extremist chuds go purple with rage and shame), but then byzantine iconoclasty came and art turned even shittier, culminating in the toddler-made trash in your picrel. though it's a fitting representation for that emperor since he was a stupid loser cuck.

>tldr many ancient painted works or statues were destroyed, the tradition was lost until the church lost influence during the rennaisance (rennaisance means REBIRTH, as in classical values of anthropocentrism reborn) and couldn't crush artists and patrons balls as hard anymore.

>>7052410
>conveniently leaves out breaking noses off statues is a jewish desecration ritual

>>7052410
post the full image, rabbi

>>7052441
>>7052438
LMAO you lying sacks of shit, the statue of Athena here has a CROSS on her forehead, is a CROSS a jewish symbol? There's more examples of statues with crosses carved into them, I'll post them next

>>7052477
>>7052441
>>7052438

I know that you cunts are gaslighting rats and when presented with evidence, you'll simply come up with some bullshit like "well the JOOS vandalized this artwork and carved a cross on it to blame CRISCHUNS!!!!" - there's no convincing you tards, you lack the shame or honor to ever admit you fucked up. the only reason i waste 10mins of my time on you chuds is to leave you well humiliated and shat on in front of everybody

>jew schizo gene kicking in

>>7042681