/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

just draw

copy artists, do fundies, watch how other artists draw, look at artbooks, etc.

>>7041321
Idk right now I do, 2 fun drawings ---> 5 gesture drawings ---> 3 pages from books ---> 2 fun drawings ---> 2 head drawings ---> repeat. I've drawn for 14 days in a row now and I'm actually having fun and getting better so it feels pretty good. Fun drawings is me just drawing whatever I want to draw.

>>7041321
apply to a local atelier if you need hand holding but this >>7041327
with life drawings

Loomis.

>>7041321
Learn to draw what?
Learn to draw WHAT????

>>7041321
you posted it right there: keeping a sketchbook

>>7041477
>message paid for by the paper binding guild
No sir, I will not be chaining my paper together for no fucking reason, no thank you.

I thought the general prescription was Keys to Drawing and then Loomis. That’s what I am doing, is that wrong?

>>7041525
Yes, because you're reading books instead of drawing.

>>7041525
Has most all the drawing related information you need. Their coverage of perspective is a bit awkward and it's easier to get out of somebody like vandruff though.

>>7041525
Loomis literally tells you to close the book and practice(for a long time) before continuing

>>7041525
Maybe read the book to understand why people recommend them?

>>7041568
I haven’t gotten to Loomis yet but Keys has exercises which I’ve been doing. Obviously it isn’t just reading. The point of these books is to physically apply what you read about, right?

The problem with the internet is the massive focus on minimising fun for maximising gains. You can literally just draw and figure it out, drawing is highly intuitive.

>>7041623
That's the part tards have trouble with, intuitivity.

>>7041623
you seem to have drawing figured out, post it pls?

>>7041623
Achieving gains is fun.

>>7041321
draw every day or try to, its not about talent its about discipline, keep doing it, you can try usign reference, looking at other artists' work, filling up your visual library and trying out different mediums different materials different supplies do whatever you want to just keep drawing

>>7041472
anime girls and insects

>>7041327
what are fundies?

>>7041745
it's when the fun dies and you wonder what you're doing with your life

>>7041623
I find drawing to be the single most unintuitive skill in existence by a pretty significant margin. Depicting things using lines does not come naturally to me in any way, and it baffles me that it's something humans can do at all. What could be less intuitive than an inherently abstract visual art?

Other visual arts are intuitive because there is an obvious link between my intended subject and my work. I can borrow things from the subject, and use it as a reference to see where I'm going. I don't get that when trying to draw. My subject and work feel almost entirely disconnected, so I end up just fiddling around aimlessly, getting nowhere, and learning nothing.

>>7041868
>so I end up just fiddling around aimlessly, getting nowhere, and learning nothing
Then stop doing that?

>>7041868
The idea of breaking things down to simple shapes then adding layers on top is objectively intuitive. Unless you are fucking Stevie Wonder you can start big and work small.

>>7041321
Learn traditional architectural drawing
the best artists I've ever seen have a background in architecture

>>7041735
What about mecha?

>>7042124
i'd love to draw mecha aswell

>>7041321
Through pain and suffering
All artistic geniuses are marked by extreme neuroticism and those who are of a very high artistic level are just same
If you're lucky you'll be one of the autieHD souls who is also marked by extreme extraversion
Neuroticism = feeling bad dark feelings very strongly
Extraversion = feeling good bright feelings very strongly
Autistic people and most ADHD people = feel both feelings very strongly, the good and the bad
I have a nasty feeling however that the absolute pinnacle of artistic power comes from unadulterated darkness where there is nothing but suffering inside you and no light to blind your eyes to beauty at all

>>7042152
What a crab

>>7042157
I'm not a crab anon
I mean it, what drives creation is internal turmoil, the art is a kind of self-therapy and is basically an attempt to grasp a single spark of beauty and joy in a world and life that from the perspective of the great artist appears to be an inky black maelstrom of torture

>>7042161
I don't buy it

>>7042167
*starts clubbing you over the head with a bucket*
NO ONE UNDERSTANDSA ADGHSAFDH

>>7042170
Okay Okay! Jeez, whatever you say man I agree wholeheartedly. Good bye now, don't kill me pls. Byeee, do not follow meeee AHHH SOMEBODY HELPP

>>7042152
Then how come I can't focus or do any art?

>>7042187
That would be the agony of the pain, as well as the pain of the agony
aarghhh

>>7042187
Zoomer brainrot, blame your parents

>>7042190
>>7042206
Then should I not do anything?
That would include basically everything, because putting in any work for any hobby is impossible for me. Even writing.

>>7042244
If you got government support, yeah. You're an adult now, do whatever the fuck you want

>>7041735
>insects
BASED
Show me your insect drawings, fellow bug enjoyer

>>7041321
Okay, forget all the usual tripe peddled on this board. Fundamentals, copying, gesture, whatever. Forget it. Whatever it is you'd like to draw, pick some manageable subset of that to focus on, and then draw that.

Keep drawing that thing. Discover tricks and shortcuts. Get comfortable drawing that thing. Now, start branching out again. Learn fundamentals, read books, and whatever. When you feel like shit because something new isn't the way you want it, just draw your comfortable thing for a while.

People on this board pretend they and others are robots, and it's really unhealthy. And likely to drive all the non-autists out of the hobby. Make some part of this hobby something you like. Make a safe harbor for you to return to whenever the rest sucks. This is a hobby. You are under no time pressure. Stop listening to people who tell you that you absolutely must grind 14 hours of perspective today.

>>7042248
But I want to draw.

Waitasecond, is this just Howie's new thread?

>>7042262
i have no drawings that are good enough to show rn

>>7042300
thanks this helps

>>7042302
who?

drawing is actually easy as hell
like seriously just draw it works
actually forget accuracy and draw what you want using ref as a map
trust me it fucking works just be patient

>>7041321
thanks guys, feel good about drawing now. Gonna start a blog or archive or something to track my progression see you guys in a couple years when im good

>>7042244
Then it's not your fucking hobby. You like the idea of being an artist but you don't like creating art.

>>7041321
What is drawing other than pen control which accurately depicts an object as you observed it or which you’ve envisioned in your mind? So clearly drawing is just the combined use of three different skills: penmanship, hand-eye coordination, and visualization. Work on these things and you’ll become a good artist.

>>7041735
I wonder what the connection is.

>>7044094
Nah its nothin like that you gotta believe me

>>7041321
Just pick a book and follow trough with it.
You could also just try to draw stuff until you get good, but that is a slot-machine approach
either you figure it out sooner or later eventually or you never do.

>>7041735
copy bondage faeries twice.

>>7045068
what is bondage faeries

>>7045146
Boomer hentai about anime girls fucking insects.

>>7045149
ah

>>7045046
i think im gonna learn fundamentals like anatomy and other things like that because im enjoying learning it, but ontop of that every session doing a fun drawing or something like that too make sure i can put the technique into practice but also enjoy myself more.

>>7041327
How do you do fundies?
>>7042300
>Learn fundamentals
How?
>>7041525
Do you really need to do loomis to get good at art? A buddy of mine was able to get good art without following any books

>>7046144
just doodle. it's simplest way

>>7041321
No one can teach drawing to autistic people.

>>7046152
but most people who draw are really autistic?

>>7041327
Everytime i see "do fundies" but literally no one points you at where you casn learn it. Youtube also put a fuckton of niggers teaching wrong so that's not the solution.

>>7047298
keys

>>7041321
What is with you faggots being afraid to draw professionally. You can do it without making money. That's what your day job is for.

>>7041321
Draw what you like (games, animation etc) and search alot sbout it, youtube can be useful if you dont have patience for books and proper long tutorials.
Do basic general studies (anatomy, gesture, perspective, color theory etc) on the site.
>>7041868
You are making a basic beginner mistake here on your base perception on what art is.
Art is not about depicting things with lines, art is about depicting things with shapes. Once you learn to view your surroundings as literal squares, circles and triangles it will be way easier for you to put it on paper.

Now pick up that pen and go draw.

>>7047666
on the side*

>>7047666
what are good ways to learn anatomy and gesture and perspective?

>>7048387
understand and apply

>>7048388
what resources do you reccomend i mean, for someone whos a massive begginner

>>7048418
for a massive beginner drawing from observation, any resource will do it's the most basic stuff every retired normie learn it as a hobby

>>7048434
thanks, does this also include drawing from references? I've been trying to draw from references but also have been planning on drawing some things outside on the weekend.

>>7041327
All of this.

>>7041348
and this.

>>7041735
Damn, how specific.

>>7048387
>what are good ways to learn anatomy and gesture and perspective?
Gonna be honest i can't think anything good by head but you can look it up a tutorial on youtube and it will generally give you something useful
>>7048504
Yes, drawing from reference is useful if you are understanding what are you doing while doing it

>>7048857
just two things i find the most interesting

>>7049396
wdym understanding what you are doing? Like the technique in which it was drawn like sketching out the body and stuff?

Unironically loomis, but only for heads.

I've been drawing my entire life, but people are something I could never do. Learning the loomis head was my saving grace.
However, my work is very "cartoony", I know my limits.

>>7041332
Could you show your progress? I'm curious how far can one come in 14 days.

>>7049752
if you don't know what you're doing when drawing, you lack knowledge so go read. technique is less about learning how to draw and more about how you want to draw with a specific medium

>>7049764
any books you reccomend? All the ones i've checked out at my libary seem a bit advanced or not in the area im interested in

>>7042262
not the same anon, but here's a weevil I doodled back in 2021

>>7049752
It's the difference between drawing with a purpose and without a purpose.
I guess it's just something out of your fundamentals and critical eye you acquire inevitably, but every time you draw, you need to understand what you are doing or at least try to.
The example i gave of drawing with reference its particularly useful because you start to "get" what was other more experienced artists steps to make a particular piece, that however only if you understand or try to understand what you are doing.
Basically what i mean by understanding is just the process of learning, if you want to learn what is in a math book you dont just skim through the book copying the questions and using chatgpt to answer for you, you need to actually read and understand the information.

About your other question on books. i was mostly self-taught (aside from one specialized art class 5 years ago), so i dont know many good books specifically about this.

>>7050069
I think basic fundamentals art books can help you though.

>>7041321
>how to draw
in order to learn how to draw successfully you first have to master holding a pencil. many amateurs struggle with this concept.

>>7043990
No I like creating art, I just can never get myself to do it

>>7043990
Then was I writing fanfiction and role-playing for 12 years because i wasn't interested in art?

shoo shoo schizo

>>7049919
BUG!

>>7041756
Kek

>>7042244
You can change your brain. Start with a dopamine fast. Get rid of everything that gives you easy pleasure such as social media, videogames, porn, etc. Possibly even tasty foods. Spend your days doing boring shit like literally looking at a wall for hours.
Essentially become a monk. It will be painful and unbearable at first, but I assure you that it will fix your brain. For some people it takes days, for some it takes months, but it will gradually improve your ability to focus to the point where you'll essentially be "healed".
THEN, and only then, you can start reintroducing the fun stuff, as you'll hopefully be able to practice moderation and not let them regain control over your dopaminergic reward system.
Good luck.

>>7041321
I think of drawing as a flower arrangement. Before you create any mark, start with the ideation process, the conceptualizing process, and then the execution process. How you begin each process can be up to you. You can mix and match. Play around and find out.

>>7041327
will it be fun