/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Since no one else has posted yet I'll just post a rushed WIP to keep the thread up.

>Goals for 2024
Get better at incorporating studies and active learning into my routine so I can see some growth again.

>>7012481

made this between the 31/12 and 01/01. I wanted to test fountain pens on watercolour paper. It was cold pressed arches so it had quite the texture but it was able to handle it relatively well.

I wanted to use the fountain pens as an alternatives to finelines but i guess i would go for 005 fineliners if i wanted to go for the finest of details.


>- what goals do you have for 2024?

Learn proper anatomy and composition to create illustrations with appeal.

>- what do you like most about making traditional art, or what do you like most about your preferred medium?

no AI and twitter fags crying all day + I can sell originals if I happen to get good enough.

Study of a head I did some days ago.

>>7012938
That looks fantastic, I can't imagine the level of patience needed for that kind of thing, nice work. And I agree with your last point, it's really nice getting away from everything else and just making something.

>>7013104
Good work anon. Try getting a hand mirror or flipping it on your phone every now and then, I think the eyes ended up a bit vertically skewed.

>>7012929

Looks good anon. I love the brush stroke texture of the blue flowers(?) Active learning is something I need to do too.

>>7012938

I like the idea of the horizontal lines growing darker and closer together. The paper size/proportions reminds me of an old cigarette card

>>7012481

I'm experimenting with layering and glazing currently, top right is a wip of this. Think it has a lot of potential. I'm trying to make art cards. There's a few who do it but most are either scaled prints of originals or they use markers/pencil. Afaik nobody really paints mini ones. I've sold some previous experiments on canvas panel, but have now found canvas sheets which are more card-like and appealing.

>2024 Goals

Paint plein-air more. Improve fundies in general but especially gesture/anatomy.

> What I like about traditional/medium

I like the slow drying of oil. I felt acrylic was too fast. Gouache is cool but I still get messed up by the value shift when it dries.

>>7012481

-charcoal on paper, first try ever

>>7013423
When did you stop liking pony shit?

2024 goal is to also do more plein air painting, I did a lot last summer but the fall and winter have been an overload of rain.
Also I want to start experimenting with how I can use my knowledge to better express ideas instead of merely "painting what I see" like I've been doing the past year. I want to see how I can start bending the rules.

Also, I have some small paintings done on canvas scraps, how would you go about framing them? They are not stretch on a frame but how would I mount them to a decorative frame still?
Glue them to a board first? Would that work?

>>7013532
Wut?

new drawings with charcoal I did this night, I start to understand how to use the medium.

Is nice to this thread around again thank you for making it
>what is a new technique or change to your process you've tried recently? How did it go?
Im trying alla prima and impasto and I'm quite enjoying it painting in small canvas or left out wooden from previous artworks or a construction at home.
>what goals do you have for 2024?
Painting more cats outside college (I'm preparing an exam rn) and maybe doing commisions of animal portraits? also learn how to draw dogs and other animals, maybe plants... Maybe learning how to make things look more realistic/believable too.
- what do you like most about making traditional art, or what do you like most about your preferred medium?
I think i like the textures, the freedom of decisions. I like oils and watercolor and I cannot decide which one is my favorite from them, I do not paint tradionally too often but I like to do it when I'm on vacations.

>>7014249
Pic fixed!

>>7014059
Staple them to a back board without stretching or staple them to the back of a frame maybe?

>>7013104
Nice except the cranium looks massive. Check the distance from the eye to the ear

>>7012929
Finished this, but annoyingly there's no way to get a good picture of it straight on without insane glare. Not sure if people usually wait until it's fully dry to take pictures of their work or what.

>>7013378
Nice work. Top middle and bottom left especially look like you really nailed them.

And thank you, yes they're flowers lol blue lilies in particular, they could definitely read better but they were fun to quickly put down.

>>7013423
>>7014080
Very nice, I'm assuming you've worked with something similar to charcoal previously though?

>>7014256
Looking good anon, pet portraits are definitely a nice thing to get into.

>>7014409
"Very nice, I'm assuming you've worked with something similar to charcoal previously though?"

Thanks!

I only painted a little with acrylic and oils. I do like using Digital charcoal brushes.

My lack of knowledge shine with The skull illustration.

I didn t know you should not put hands on paper without having a protective sheet. My skin sweat made it impossible to blend anymore after the skull was done XD.

I decided to try charcoal because it seems to be the best medium for me (cheapest (?)) to learn values with trad art.

Here an acrylic painting I done for a little girl in the family.
It s an example about why I need to learn values, my colors look flat.

>>7014519
This painting is nice.

>>7014409


Thanks anon. I thought I ruined top-middle but everyone I've shown seems to disagree.

I love the lilies as is, and I prefer the fun-look over potentially looking better. Is that a brush holder you have attached to the easel? Is there a name for them?

>>7014576
Haha no it's an old drumstick holder from when I used to play drums. Works pretty well as a repurposed brush holder though.

Your boy is back at it again.
This will take a few more days to finish.

Art has been in the back seat for a while so I've been using minimal shit. Lately I've been fucking around on canary legal pads with a twisbi fountain pen with magenta ink. I think the cheap and monochrome medium makes me feel free to just fuck around and knock shit out.

>draw trad for the first time in literally 10 years
>can't zoom in
>can't ctrl z
>can't experiment on a new layer
bros what the fuck how do people make good work like this

>>7016201
Nice hatching.

>>7017356
By learning to do it right the first time.

>>7017364
I learned with traditional though
I just haven't done it in so long it feels weird now

>>7017369
Well then you already knew the answer to your question. This has existed before digital. Pencil was the original ctr z. Gouache is functionally the closest thing to digital with physical media. This is nothing new.

>>7017373
>This has existed before digital.
I don't believe you, I think art didn't exist before digital artwork came about.

>I don't know why you're taking a shitpost this seriously

>>7017376
Boredom

>>7017405
understandable
serious question. With trade art do you typically do color then inking, or inking then color?

>>7017458
Oh I'm /beg/ and amateur. I'm still figuring this shit out. I was never an artist, but then covid happened and I got into Warhammer. I never did find anyone to play with but I liked painting the figures. I only started trad art (apart from mini painting) spring before last.

As to your question, it's been my understanding that comic guys back in the day did ink then color. They talked about this a lot in the issues of "Groo the Wanderer" because since Sergio drew so much detail (like a cartoony Kim Jung Ji) that the colorist quit every other issue.

Pic is 3d printed mini from no particular I.P.
This is how I got into trad art.

>>7017466
based miniature painter

usually post in studies working on a lot this year, values, construction, observational accuracy. I want to visit florence early next year and draw statues so gotta grind.
>>>7015082
>>>7009329

for learning color should i go for gouache or try ohuhu markers (which look way more fun).

>>7017494
>which look way more fun
You've already answered your own question.

>>7017501
i mean will i be gimping myself by not taking the time to paint and color mix

>>7017503
Depends if you want to paint or illustrate.
If you want to paint, then yes you should start painting now. If you want to illustrate with pencil / ink, then just go with the markers.

>>7017356
yeah, is dumb.

>can't experiment on a new layer
shitty copy paper solves this problem.

>>7017506
Copy paper can't take a lot of mediums. You can't later colored pencil or colored ballpoint, and wet media destroys it.

Posting this here as well, maybe someone jas the magic tip here: I own a Mabef 06 easel that's been in storage for around a year and a half due to me moving around. Storage unfortunately wasn't heated so I could tell some of the screws and other metal parts got some discoloration now that I finally brought it home. However I now can't for the life of me adjust the shelf. I am seriously bummed out because if I can't move the shelf from its lowest position the easel is practically useless. Already undid everything that can be loosened by hand. What the fuck do I do now? The part of the rail mechanism that I can see looks fine, not corrugated, and I can lift the bolt easily, I just can't get the shelf to move.

>>7017803
Honestly, I would probably just buy a new easel.

>>7017803
Maybe it uust needs a good firm shove/bump to get it loose.

>>7017808

I'd really rather not because his one cost like 300 bucks when I bought it a few years ago and it's probably more expensive now. I also don't see anything wrong with the rail and bolt system, pic related. I've put it in a warm room now, maybe there's moisture in the wood and that made it expand or something.

>>7017825

I hope so, I'll see if I can get someone with more brawn than me can try it, I already hurt my hand trying to get it to budge.

>>7017829
Maybe it needs to be lubricated the slightest bit? If you can very carefully spritz some WD-40 in the spaces that are giving you shit. Keep a rag handy to catch around excess, then just wiggle things.

>>7017829
>puts it in a warm room expecting it to shrink

>>7017852

Moisture evaporates anon.

>>7017854
not from within wood in a warm room, nigga, it’s just gonna rot
you have to air dry it

>>7017829
You undid the screw on the backside of of the rail? Some models have a tiny screw on the back to tighten the movable bar so it doesn't wobble or accidentally drop.

>>7017866

Good suggestion, this particular easel has two of those but unfortunately I had undone both all the way already and it didn’t make a difference.

>>7017856

Warm room is a bad choice of words on my side I suppose, I just have it inside a room now with a regular home environment/temperature and humidity. The easel is made of oiled beech and it has not been wet amn it does not feel wet or humid to touch, though the storage might have been humid, what with it not having heating. You really think it’s FUBAR? I’ll go get some W40 I suppose. Thanks anons, I appreciate your comments.

>>7017874
It can also be, because of cold and moisture, that the wood has been "working" (I don't know what to call it, when wood contracts and expands because of moisture, ESL and all that) and now maybe the movable parts have just gotten stuck because it no longer fits. At one point brute force is the only way. And I assume the little clasp on the bottom that you showed us still moves out when pulled?

I have been at ateliers that had many easels lined up, I think all mabef ones too, and they all had different issues, from screw threads being worn out, wobbling, tight movable parts exactly because the wood

>>7017829
is this pointlessly overdesigned to drive up the price or does it serve a purpose?
the only easels I’ve had just had one or two screws with wing nuts and that’s it
t. poorfag

Fumbled the features. My first oil portrait. Still struggling with moving the paint.

>>7017852
Do you not know how wood works anon?

>>7017942
Use a mirror during your sketch / construction phase or take a picture with your phone and flip it. You've got classic "didn't flip the canvas" going on with the eyes.

>>7017944
Do you? Any vapor is just trapped in the capillaries and doesn’t leave the wood, you need air circulation to remove the moisture. Why do you think all the interior wood in your house is treated if just heating the room solves moisture?

>>7017946
Thanks for the tip. I'll try it out.

>>7017991
Np otherwise keep it up with the oils. It's a great medium especially for portraits.

>>7017972
My assumption was that "heated room" meant central heating which implied warm dry circulating air like inside most homes.

>>7017972
>Why do you think all the interior wood in your house is treated
by treated do you mean finished? interior wood isn't treated. only wood that's exposed to the elements needs to be treated.

>>7014389
Oil? Acrylic? Did you varnish it?

>>7017356
If you do oil painting you can just wipe off a whole layer, that’s ctrl+z

I put platinum carbon and a dye based magenta in a couple of water pens. My brush strokes are looking incrementally less shitty (but still shitty.) When I get tense I squeeze the handle and the brush gets too wet, so I'm leaning to relax my hand. I think next I'm going to tryhard and do a proper pencil under sketch.
I really like how low effort this magenta ink on canary office paper is producing a believable skin tone.

Yeah the lines are shit, but I'm freehanding with a brush and I'm not really used to it.

>>7018005
finish is wood treatment, retard
you might have meant stain, but then you’d be even more retarded

>>7018041
You should get ahold of some cheap, 90lb watercolor paper and try practicing some of these techniques on that. It's just better equipped to deal with liquid. What made you decide to try with the water pens over brushes?.

>>7018047
Wood treatment is generally considered some kind of copper or other substance that's combined with pressure (iirc) to make the wood more capable of handling pests and weather. Wood finish is staining, varnish, polish, oiling, and whatever other things you do at the very end after sanding.

>>7018048
>cheap paper
This stuff is pretty resilient, mintra legal pads. It was $15 for five pads and it doesn't bleed much. I got some cheap watercolor paper I've only used one sheet of I'm the back room, so if I tryhard I should use that, so thank you reminding me.
>Why water pen
Because I bought a pack last year and already had them. I also have most of my bottles of those two inks. If I'm not careful I'll spend $60 on the set of art brushes. I need to use up what I have.
>pic
I bought a bunch of colored pencils a while back when I was starting out and made a picture of the 40k primarch fulgrim based on an old Andrew Nagel drawing from Playboy. That's the paper I got. I got probably $200 in colored pencil and I haven't used them in over a year. I like ballpoint pens more.

>>7018050
you’re confusing treated timber and wood treatment
all the wood in your house is treated

>>7018047
>finish is wood treatment, retard
"treated wood" 99% of the time refers to pressure treated wood used for building things like decks.
No one that works with wood calls finishing wood "treating" it. Sorry you're getting upset over not knowing proper terminology, but you don't have to lash out over your own ignorance.

>>7018079

>>7018079
>for building things like decks.
>>7018083
>decking oil
what was this supposed to prove exactly?
treated wood is wood that's treated with something to protect it from shit weather/bugs.
No one's calling shellac fucking "wood treatment", they call it wood finish.

>>7018085
it’s literally a finish, you stupid nigger

>>7018085
>No one's calling shellac fucking "wood treatment", they call it wood finish.

>>7018093
>shellac applied as a protective topcoat finish
>shellac is a key component of the french polish method of finishing wooden furniture

I really don't know what you're even arguing over. Treated wood was not the correct term, end of story. Finished is what you meant. just take the L and move on with your life.

>>7013423
is that path of exile fanart anon?

>>7018093
>>7018087
>>7018083
>>7018078
>>7018047
>>7017972
Message any furniture builder in the country and ask them if they use treated wood for their products.
Go to home depot and ask for treated wood.
Tell us the result of both of these endeavors.
Treated wood means something very specific in the industry.

>>7018110
refer to >>7018078
you’re conflating a material with a process, you dumb fucking nigger
also
>implying mutts can into wood
>>7018097
>Shellac functions as a versatile wood treatment

>>7018097
>>7018110
also
I not once used the term “treated wood”, you illiterate retards

>>7012481
starting a Phoenix tattoo design soon, doing this prior to get used to the anatomy

Only in /trad/ would mfers argue about wood

>>7018153
>I not once used the term “treated wood”
wood that is treated is functionally the same as treated wood, colored person.

>>7018178
sorry, I don’t speak ebonics

>>7018007
Oil. I've tried both acrylic and oil and found oil much more relaxing to work with and they seem to have a lower learning curve in general surprisingly. Only downside is it feels weird to be painting anime shit in oil but whatever.
And I haven't tried varnishing anything yet but I was considering using this one as my first varnishing experiment once its ready to be varnished in 6 months.

>>7018213
Actually on this note I moved the painting into sunlight after it had dried a bit and it looks awful. I noticed on other paintings that they got kind of dull after becoming fully touch dry but this one's very rough.
I think I'm gonna give that gamvar stuff a try to see if I can get a unified sheen and some of the saturation / contrast back.

>>7018213
>found oil much more relaxing to work with and they seem to have a lower learning curve in general surprisingly
there’s a reason michelangelo said oil painting is for women and idiots

>>7018233

Look up oiling out as a principle

>>7018242
I've looked it up before but what's not really clear is if I can do basically the whole painting with the oil or if you have to specifically target the matte spots. One of my paintings is 100% flat and the other is about 50% but totally random and it's not quite dry yet either.

>>7018157
You don't know it yet, and you don't know me... But you are going to make it.

>>7018598
Thank you anon, this response really made my night. Just the result of a lot of hard work :,)

Hi anon, i'm living in Europe and i wanted to sell some landscapes painted in oil. But i'm note sure there is a market for it in Europe? I have the feeling only american boomers do buy traditional art.
It seems in Europe people are only buying degenerate art.

Hi anon, i'm living in the US and i wanted to sell some degenerate things painted in oil. But i'm note sure there is a market for it in the US? I have the feeling only European boomers do buy avantgarde art.
It seems in America people are only buying landscape art.

Harro I am of Japanese. I make paint pictures of boy that is cow on horse in prairie but baka Japanese onry buy whore girl and pocket monster picture paint. How sell cow picture?

>>7018915
Okey, but eurofags would love to import a painting from a real american neger, it would bring them a lot of prestige among other faggots.
But american boomers are patriotic and would only buy a picture made in america.
So, as you see i'm fucked either way.

>>7018936
Are you actually retarded, larping or an island proto-mutt?

>>7018941
Whats wrong? I just want to sell my landscapes to american conservatives with a lot of money. In my county traditional art is literally considered as a dog whistle for racism.

>>7018960
I guess Euros just aren't Thomas Kinkade pilled.

>>7018960
sure buddy

>>7018963
>Thomas Kinkade
Disgusting kitsch, no thx.
>>7018965
They even want to paint renaissance sculptures in museums brown, cos white marble is a dog whistle for fascism, i'm not kidding.

>>7018970
>They even want to paint renaissance sculptures in museums brown, cos white marble is a dog whistle for fascism, i'm not kidding.
Source?

>>7018972
I heard it at mcdonald’s

>>7018362
Looked it up again and this time found a bunch of dudes just applying oil everywhere with a cotton cloth and that makes sense to me so I'm gonna give that a shot.

>>7019069
>just applying oil everywhere with a cotton cloth
You can do it before painting over, but applying oil as a finish is not really a good solution. Oil on itself is not very stable and it tends to yellow as well.
Why dont you use a varnish? If the painting isnt dry enough use retouching varnish.
>>7018972
>Source?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEjCNzGOe3Q

>>7019096
>what the video says:
>"Antiquity's statues were bright and colorful!"
>what anon hears:
>"OMG THE JUICE ARE TURNIG THE STATUES BROWN CULTURAL REPLACEMENT REEEEEEE"

>>7019102
>Antiquity's statues were bright and colorful!
Renaissance statues where always aryan white, my dear.

>>7019096
I would like to just use a varnish but one video was explaining that if your painting is patchy with some areas sunken in and some areas glossy, that just applying a varnish on top won't even it out, and there will still be patchiness.

>>7019155
>some areas sunken in and some areas glossy, that just applying a varnish on top won't even it out
What do you mean, are they physically sunken in? Even if, its completely normal for an oil panting to have a relief.

>>7019355

Stop talking shit, I bet you’ ve never used oils.

>>7019155

https://www.naturalpigments.eu/artist-materials/oiling-out#:~:text=Oiling%20out%20can%20be%20done,paint%20surface%20with%20a%20finger.

Ignore the oleogel shilling, the info is solid though

>>7019458
>Stop talking shit, I bet you’ ve never used oils.
Neger can't you read or are you just retarded?
In your link, the burger with an irish name is saying exactly the same thing i sad.
>Oiling out is only done between layers. If the surface in the final painting has an uneven surface gloss (sheen), this is best finished with a picture varnish.

>>7019482
>>7019458
I'm just gonna try doing a varnish and seeing how it looks then I guess lol

>>7018902
Contact galleries, look for local painters doing things similar to you, build an Internet presence. In my experience, people doing decent/good trad stuff sell. Not for extravagant prices as weird shit does, but for a fair price nevertheless.

The hard parts are to get in, and to get good skills.

>>7017506
Not that simple, even with tracing paper. You can achieve something similar, but it'll never be as convenient as it is in digital

>>7019525
Test on a small area, let dry. You want the area to sit astride the border of a patch, so you can compare.

A varnish should even things out;I'd expect it not to sink in further (you can think of it as some kind of relatively fast drying glue: it should start drying fast enough to seal the surface before sinking in)

>>7019355
not him, but if you go to museums and look at paintings (which are all varnished) you can see that some areas are glossier still than others. i think that's what he means by just doing a varnish not being enough to even out uneven sheen. this is especially true of medieval and renaissance paintings, although when an area is glossy it is usually in the shadows, dark areas, or saturated glazes.
ideally, the painter should be selective about where to have the gloss and where not to, instead of relying on varnish to even out.
fat over lean is often abused, where someone paints over an area repeatedly, adding more oil each time until it becomes much glossier than the rest.
there are other solutions like painting over with paint to correct gloss instead of just oiling out

>>7018233
Are you using any mediums?

>>7019878
A bit of mineral spirits on lower layers and a bit of linseed oil on later layers. I can really see where some areas had more oil.

posted in furfag thread but it's trad art so I'm spamming my shit here too
Trad is kinda fun even though I find it a lot less convenient than digital

>>7020637
Did you make the whole thing?

>>7017515
Hammer Mill 28, or 32lb is a poor man's mixed media paper. try some.

it's also hot press so it takes inks and other stuff WAYYY better than other things!

>>7021068
Noted. I'll probably pick some up later when we figure out what printer we're going to buy. I'll need paper anyway so I can justify buying a few reams.

Blick had 300gsm fabriono 9x12 1264 buy one get one free so I just picked up 60sheets of that shit for ten bucks. And, typically, I have been too busy to draw shit. I went there cause I wanted to try the pentel arts brush pen. It feels very much like the pentel water brush with ink in it. I ordered the 18 color set off amazon because I always hoard colors when I try a new medium.
I got to start actually making art on good paper again, even if it's terrible. It's 20¢ a sheet. I'm not risking anything.

>>7021442
this is gorgeous, nicely done

lost a copic lot auction, want those markers bad

>>7021893
Why? There's really no advantage to copics over their 792 different competitors other than maybe their color variety. There are a ton of markers on the market that are refillable and even use copic nibs for like 1/3 the price (or less). You're paying for a brand.

>>7021924
you can get them for $2 in lots which isnt any cheaper than promarker or shinhan. ohuhu has garbo saturated colors from what ive seen so im not fucking with them.

>>7021932
I'm partial to dick blick's studio markers, but color variety is lacking compared to copic. They're also like $2-3 a marker last I checked. If you're buying copics for 2 bucks though that's well worth it

>>7021950
i honestly have no idea why copics become $6 when hitting gaijin retailers they are $3 in JP as well.

I'm such a supply whore. 18 brush pens I don't need. I really only wanted the dye based black, grey, sepia set, but that's 20 bucks, this is 6 times the colors for triple the price.

The description says airbrush/acrylics on canvas. Is it really painted? It looks like shit, bad taste, shitty graffiti etc. But the "classical" parts are very, good, at least judging from the available resolution of the photos. Its not only good, its too good. Could a faggot like him, really do such high level master copies with acrylics? Or is he just printing it out and in reality its not a real painting?
https://www.saatchiart.com/account/artworks/28818?original_status=sold

Progress was made. Ink was spilled. The light here is terrible.

>>7023098
How do you like them so far? Have you made anything yet or swatched them out?

Taking a beginner ceramics course as an elective in Uni. Had to make a hollow sphere using two pinch pots and then to decorate into some kind of creature or character of our own design so I'm making a dog.

>>7023155
>https://www.saatchiart.com/account/artworks/28818?original_status=sold
Hm.

I'm too lazy to do an overlay, but those are basically the same image. Nobody that I know of makes copies *that* perfect. And those who have the skills to get close aren't dressed up like he is, nor using fancy words to describe their "collages"

https://images.saatchiart.com/saatchi/28818/art/8022015/7089207-HSC00001-7.jpg

https://i.etsystatic.com/11397434/r/il/aba514/1631643521/il_1588xN.1631643521_abjv.jpg

memory vs reference

>>7023451
Waiting until the weekend. Work plus driving in the snow and I'm exhausted. I'll post the swatch later. Probably.

>>7023803
Man, I get it. I had to unearth my car today from a couple of inches of ice, several on the roof of it. Nearly ate concrete trying to get groceries in.
Drive safe. I'll look forward to the swatches and all when you get to them.

>>7023699
Yes, as i thought. He couldn't even cut the girl out proper from background.
But isn't it fraud?

>>7023155
He prints the trad images on a canvas then scribbles over the top.
Rich people pay obscene money for it because they have no taste or actual idea about art.
Quite a few 'artists' do this, I have no idea why anyone would part with money for such tripe.

>>7012481

Any sculptors here?

I just started sculpting yesterday, this is my first gesture study ever, and my second sculpture ever

It's a lot of fun

>>7023815
>But isn't it fraud?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso

I mean come on dude. As soon as art doesn't require strong technical skills, anyone is an artist;put an outrageous price tag on it and you it's systematic fraud.

That's just the way it is. Ignore them, build up your skills, eventually it'll pay, because there will always be non-retarded people who understand the value of high-end skills.

>>7023155
Art like this is worth nothing on the secondary market for the exact reason you stated. The process is mysterious to the point of being banal. At a certain point nobody cares how something was made if the workmanship isn’t obvious.

Paintings that hold value tend to be paintings that are evidently handmade. Van Gogh’s work holds value because you can see he made it, and you can look at his other work and see the same thing, so on and so on. It looks like a thing a guy made. You feel like him in front of it painting it when you’re in a museum. There’s a raw quality to the paint, and an occasionally measuring blunder, or a color that got mixed into another color.

This guys art looks like a product. Maybe he’s hand making these things, painstakingly painting them, but I don’t give a fuck, and I doubt many people do.

Been trying to paint more. 4 years ago when I was starting one of you told me to not give up and keep painting and that may be the only reason I’m still going. Here’s my latest painting.

>>7024411
i dont sculpt much but heres an old attempt with airdry. what kind of clay are you using it looks nice

why didn't you guys tell me how based mixed media is.
>>7024559
I'm glad you kept painting anon it's beautiful

>>7024661
i bought a pack of colored kids plasticine (plastiline, plastilina, whatever) and mixed all the colors together. The result was that greenish gray color.
It works really well

>>7024559
I like this a lot anon, well done.

first painting i finished this year , i dont like the colours also the reference is a picture so it was easier than painting from life

>>7012481
I made this for my mom

>>7023805
>>7023098
It's not pretty, but I got it done. It took forever because you got to break the seal and squeeze until the ink comes out.

>>7025502
It's good. Colors are grayed, but that's probably a problem with your references

I like that the pure marker medium is coming through with that much texture. Is it not wanting to fully smooth out where you've added water with some of the colors?
If you've got to squeeze it, I wonder if you could put small amounts in a pallette to do color mixing or get a smoother consistency with a regular watercolor brush.

>>7025877
>>7025858
I guess my cognitive activity sharted for a minute. I didn't link your post.

I would like to paint small pictures with oil, a5 or something around that. Eventually i would like to sell some of them. What sould i use? Dibond? Or Dibond with canvas glued to it?
I have tried canvas on cardboard but it was extremly humidity-sensitive.

>>7021957
Most nip art supplies sell at 2-4x markup, it's shit.
holbein 12 pack on jp amazon: 2300 yen
holbein 12 pack on blick: list price 87 on """"sale"""" for 52 :^)

>>7025938
It's a shame because even something like their Dollar Tree equivalents have a copious amount of crafting and art supplies that seem to be much better quality than the shittiest US options. It just seems a lot more geared towards promoting creativity without findomming you. Meanwhile, you buy Faber-Castell oil pastels here, and it's the shittiest, crumbliest, dog shittiest quality for its brand.

>>7025877
>>7025879
I think I should have shaken the steel blue, it looks just like the other one.
Some of them don't really spread with water very well. This is my first go at dye based mediums. I'm coming from a miniature painting background. I obsessed about pigments after getting sick of game paint lines mixing their shit in retarded ways that make blending a downward spiral into mud and not listing their pigments. (Also Vallejo just got bought by a private equity firm.)
But I have no idea how this shit is supposed to behave.
I will say that some of them took a while to saturate the brush. The spots are from watercolor paper. I should have used the maker paper I got on clearance at Walmart.
Pic is some examples of artist vs model paint.

>>7025969
Model paints can come kinda thin to act more like a wash to be layered in some areas, yeah? I've got some of the citadel paints for a kit that I've not used (we got them as part of a promo for a place that I worked), but those are so insanely expensive that it's just not worth it. You may have already encountered this guy, but he's got a lot of inexpensive alternatives to painting and adding detail.
https://youtu.be/2C-SayGXk7E?si=YDXMMl4gj3aFJm03
If you wanted to seal them, you can use some epoxy resins (possibly even UV cure to make it fast) or maybe mod podge. Something else might be getting mica powders and mixing the pigments with white acrylic to get custom colors, though I'm only working on theory that it would yield results.

>>7012481
>what is a new technique or change to your process you've tried recently? How did it go?

blocking in shadow shapes, being more deliberate with it and pausing to think more often. trying to be tighter with values. It went okay, I just find the process kind of boring. I just want to doodle and have that look perfect haha.

>what goals do you have for 2024?

keep working on perspective, and form. I'm a firm believer in design over "correct" appearance, though, I have to really understand the rules to break them, yk?

>what do you like most about making traditional art, or what do you like most about your preferred medium?

I like the sensory feedback. it also tends to look more alive due to tiny imperfections in the paper you can't really emulate digitally.
I enjoy the design challenges that comes with the limitations of the medium.

I like digital too, tho. Especially when it's combined with scans of traditionally made assets or sketches.

>>7025894
I would use copper instead

>>7025502
I get this problem alot too and found that it was because your eyes dont see colors the same way your brain does, they take in way more information and details.

another anon said its too greyed, but I think its the opposite, every color and shift in tone is super detailed and too loud, so no one color can stand out from the noise.

I say you should get those colors waay dirtier and messier (which is another thing about photo reference, its super detailed upclose and I tend to get tunnelvisioned trying to make everything look correct)

>>7026026
the photo colour balance is pretty bad, the cloth is pure white irl so i can see why it can look grey to that other guy but i think youre right
i have trouble with colour so i tried to copy them from the picture as closely as possible instead of making choices about what to make stand out

>>7026026
>another anon said its too greyed, but I think its the opposite, every color and shift in tone is super detailed and too loud, so no one color can stand out from the noise.
Perhaps it depends on where you live. I've been living in a place where it's sunny almost all year long, so the light is always chromatic.

But if I were living in a more cloudy region, I would probably have a different opinion.

>>7025894
Dibond is alright. Thick plywood is cheaper. Copper is nice, but expensive.

>>7025730
That's cute, I hope she liked it!

>>7025502
photo with proper lighting

>>7024411
my second one.
this is smaller

>>7012481
started this last year but never finished it

oil paint and pastels

Ritual Dancer. Ink, Marker and White Paint.

Felt good to work on paper again.

>>7012481
Oils are so satisfying to work with.

>>7029987
Could do with a bit better value separation for the focal point but man that's nice. And yeah, luv me oils.

>>7027422
How did you do the splatter? Looks very controlled for traditional.

I want to draw a t-shirt design and make it into a shirt.
Any idea what this process should look like without digital?

Best place to get some cheap sketchbooks? Temu? I'd get just printer paper, but sketchbooks are aesthetic af

>>7030224

I dabbed some spots on the trail of the foot to give it direction, but mostly I just aimed the splatter of the brush along the bottom of the foot. No great trick, just experience.

>>7012481
>- what is a new technique or change to your process you've tried recently? How did it go?
I have started experimenting with oil paint sticcs
>- what goals do you have for 2024?
to do at least 5 finished paintings, so 2 months per painting
>- what do you like most about making traditional art, or what do you like most about your preferred medium?
Mediums behave how they are supposed to, and not how a computer tries to logic they should

>>7020925
>>7024411
>>7024661
>>7024685
>>7025730
>>7026941
>>7027422
i like these a lot. i love seeing trad art in general, it’s fun to look at even if it’s something i’m not interested in drawing.

Got myself some heavy weight black multimedia paper and started doing some nightscapes in gouache.

>>7031841

>>7031843
thats a cool one anon.

Abstract landscape in oil

I got carried away with the concept and the anatomy went to ass

Sketch for a future painting idea.

>>7025730
me again, this time I was sketching my partner with brown ink while he was playing vidya

>>7031841
>>7029987

love these, great work guys. very atmospheric stuff

>>7031841
>>7031843
Nice ones anon

>>7031841
VVGH that glow inbetween the trees

>>7031843
>>7031841
very nice

>>7031847
>>7032541
>>7032548
>>7032681
>>7032846

Thanks, anons. Here's another I just finished.

>>7033831
>>7031841
cool, I'm also fucking around with black paper.
this is a wip of some character design in acrylic

>>7031843
I love this one anon, very moody

>>7034625
Love it!

>>7034625
You inspired me, anon. Shiny metal effects are a great combo of daunting and fun. I couldn't resist.

I'll need to properly finish this one though, kind of rushed it out.

>>7034625
You inspired me, anon. Shiny metal effects are a great combo of daunting and fun. I couldn't resist.

I'll need to properly finish this one though, kind of rushed it out.

I started to make prints for lil events that are happening locally. This was originally a 3.5x5.5inch image and blown up to an A4 size! I don't know about any of you but when I did that if felt like looking at my work for the first time. This was one of six drawings that I made prints for and was happy with the turn out!
>Goals for 2024
I hope to incorporate more techniques from Virgil Finlay as I continue to try and make a mark locally.

So I tried soft pastel for the first time!
I think I realize getting the colors to mix is really easy but getting rid of all the whites is the hardest part.

>>7035849
Hold a tissue up to your nose and blow a rainbow.

How much can turd quality acrylics be improved by adding mediums to them? How mixable are Liquitex mediums with other brands?

>>7035895
You can't fix pigment or consistent issues. I strongly recommend using it as intended. For sketches.

>>7032526

Did this yesterday.

Ink Wash on Watercolor Paper.

>>7023445
What kind of pens do you use? Microns?

>>7035930
Just the dip pen.

>>7033831
Feels like the night feels

>>7033831
I do like this. Great colors.

>>7032526
>>7035925
nice work; I did not expect it to have that look to it

>>7035946
Thanks!

Ink wash is the medium I'm probably best at at this point.

>>7035932
How difficult is it to get to a solid wash of color with that type of pen?

Some stuff I did a while back

>>7036127

>>7036126
You don't do washes at all with the dip pen. It's all hatching.

>>7035404
That's incredibly cool anon, post the other prints when you get a chance. Hope people enjoy picking them up from the events!

>>7035404
>Virgil Finlay
Based Virgil Finlay enjoyer

My next painting is going to be a study on Klimt's work. I'm blessed to see that my favourite model happens to look like the woman in Klimt's famous golden era painting. I've already contacted her and she gave me her blessing that I can paint her.

>>7034625
>>7035404
These are sick

>>7036156
The first post, this and one other had two size print variants. The one you see now and one that's 17x11in. Curiously enough they sold more than I anticipated. Each person that was curious,asked or went and bought one got a story that's attached to each print and the idea behind them. They had a blast and didn't look like they wanted to run from me so its a win in my book.
>>7036157
You can see his blatant influence here my friend

>>7036337
Need to fix her eyebrows tho. Her body is not bad.

>>7036337
So you are going to paint her in person?

>trusting a camera to tell you what is "off" in your pic
>even tho it distorts the colors, values, width fucking everything
>only way a camera is accurate is with tripod, proper white balance, color correction, low iso, etc
>can literally prove this to yourself by simply taking a pic at a ridiculous angle
Stop trusting your stupid phone!

>>7036117
Is ink anything like painting with watercolor?

>>7031843
daily and eternal reminder that warm tinted silhouettes are based. Those bastards get me every time.

So, a local art group in my city is putting together a miniature art show, where anyone can submit. Participants are given a 4"×4" mini canvas. And you can paint whatever you want on it.

I might try to refine it more, but am worried I'll overwork it. Hard to get it super sharp and detailed on sych a small surface with acrylics.

>>7031843
Any plans for prints, friend?

>>7036407

Similar, but not exactly. Watercolor usually still has a little body to it, though not much, while ink is like painting with pure liquid. And the marks you make in ink are even more difficult to adjust than the ones you make with watercolor, because most inks dry to a non-water-soluble state.

But if you can do one you can probably do the other.

>>7036742
Similar, but not exactly. Watercolor usually still has a little body to it, though not much, while ink is like painting with pure liquid. And the marks you make in ink are even more difficult to adjust than the ones you make with watercolor, because most inks dry to a non-water-soluble state.

But if you can do one you can probably do the other.

>>7036337
She's gorgeous. What's her name?

>>7037431
I would try to maybe soften some edges in the background and on the sides. It will create a little more depth to it.
Anyway, I'm jealous, I would love to have a competition like this. Maybe I should organize it myself.

>>7037790
Alex Harper (also goes by Rose Ballentine for modelling work)

>>7037790
>>7037798
and yes, she’s trans and a woman

>>7036337
>I look her up
>She is a porn star
Anon continuing tradition of painting courtesans

>>7037791
Better?

>>7037578
So, I'm flattered to even receive such a question! But I've been wondering, what are good places for fine art prints. I'd love to be able to have stuff printed on some 150+lb watercolor/mixed media paper. But I'd seriously appreciate suggestions on the best places to have prints made. Currently I use VistaPrint, and it's serviceable, but often darkens my pictures a bit more than I'd like.

Back to work on the fundamentals

>>7038075

>>7038042
You can always just go to office max and give their services a shot. Perhaps you could supply the paper you'd prefer and they could accommodate. It never hurts to ask. I go there to get prints done and to get test prints. The test prints are typically free if they aren't to your standards.

I like how mine came out and that's where I went

>>7037901
“art models” are 60% hobos, 30% strippers, 7% gay exhibitionists and the rest is straight female exhibitionists
muses are of course 100% prostitutes, some in denial

>>7012938
Nice line work, solid composition, a bit more constrast of white and black areas would make the image pop more imo

>>7013104
Nice work good shapes, some more fine lines could add a lot to the image as a whole

>>7013378
I like the baseball card feel, and surprising amount of detail in such small images, but why not do bigger singular portraits?

>>7013423
Charcoal is a great medium and you've grasped it quickly, you have a tagent with the grasshopper's leg and the eye socket though

>>7014080
Great work with the fur, inspiring

>>7014256
The face is there and looks nice, making the background contrast the face would bring the image out more imo

>>7014389
I think it's quite technically sound, the subject matter is not my preference and you could touch up the roots with more blacks, but nice creativity

>>7017623
Nice foreshortening, the figure work is a bit too androgynous for my taste though

>>7018041
I always feel colour work should come after a better grasp of the fundamentals, it's great you are marking paper though

>>7018157
Very good

>>7020925
I like your colour work, dislike your subject)

>>7021442
Wel crafted with subtlety, I think you gave up on the water at the lower border though)

>>7023445
I love that you are nibbing, crosshatching and working with so much black, but I find the subject lacks energy or humanity

>>7024027
Very pretty

>>7024072
Diné

>>7024685
Kino, loosen up some of your figure work to give him a little less of a stiff feeling (martial discipline yes, but not a fence post)

>>7025730
Heart

>>7026539
Kino

>>7026643
Very good, academic)

>>7026688
Based

>>7026715
I like it, but the white a the back of his head almost forms a hairstyle tangent

>>7026941
Big fan of your colour choices, think your perspective skills needs a bit of sharpening

>>7027422
Diné

>>7029987
Wonderful, do agree with the colour separation critique though

>>7038132
Biggest heart in all of /ic/. Thanks for your support, bro

Working on pic related, I painted the base with opaque paint, and now I'm adding very thin layers of colors using glazes with liquin. It's fun seeing how the painting changes after every glaze.

>>7038132
>but I find the subject lacks energy or humanity
Exactly what I was going for.
<3

>>7036337

>>7026566
Not sure if it’s on purpose, but try photographing it against a lighter background next time. It’s a bit hard to see what’s going on without having to zoom in.

>>7038132
>>>7027422 (You)
>Diné

Hey! Someone gets it! Although the Kachina dolls I ripped off are from the Hopi culture, I'm told.

>>7038037
Nice. nta but looks better. Good luck.

Still going with the nightscapes. Black paper is quickly becoming one of my favorite surfaces.

>>7034625
finished this
>>7034663
>>7036360
thank you!
>>7035031
awesome!

I am getting into cross stitch which is fun but slow. Eventually will be a fish tank though, rather happy with how it’s looking so far too. Goal for 2024 is just to make more art. I think I made the least art in maybe 10~ years last year and it kinda bothered me that my job took up so much of my time and energy.

>>7038077
Could I get some feedback on this one plz

>>7039577
It doesn't help that the pic has a lot of reflection, but I'd say your shading is way too rough. Try to be more meticulous and even with the shading, both in the shadow and the half tones. And I don't have the reference with me, but I feel like a lot of the transitions should be smoother. The proportions look ok though

>>7039018
To add, I did this one in a bit of a rush last night, and it's feeling kind of flat and lacking depth. Thoughts on places for imprivement?

>>7012481
what do you think of this slab i've been making?

>>7039774
based Bosch printcutter

>>7039169
This is really good anon

>>7039774
Pretty fucking cool is what I think

>>7039774
Can we see the print?

>>7037884
she's only one of those things

>>7018075
thinking on cheap paper; i did a watercolor once of a print of one of my drawings, just to get some ideas, but the overall look as the paper weathered and the general results of my painting made me carry through right to the end on Staples cheap printer paper

I have ALMOST finished this tiny snakebook and drawn 9 cute sea critters.

>>7039169
I love it

>>7042944
Do you ever end up putting your projects up for sale?

>>7043092
Usually people just message me when they want something I recently made.
But I plan to make an actual website with a gallery and a shop this year.
Pic related is also almost done. Only a few finishing touches left.

>>7043095
Getting that level of fine detail down with the lines and not fucking something up has to be nothing short of nerve destroying. You did an amazing job with it.
I hadn't seen anything new about the sea creatures project since a few weeks back after you unknowingly created a quick shitpost of my cat. Good to hear it's nearly done

>>7043095
Damn that's awesome

>>7040442
>>7043018
thank you a ton anons. Putting it in my portfolio.
Last pieces I tried to make for it bombed so feels good having something decent.

>>7043190
I have been grinding sea critters for a bit now. The tiny book is just a fun exercise in creativity though. To get my feet, my hands, and my brain wet with the subject matter. It's not the actual sea critters book yet.
>and not fucking something up
Oh, I fucked up lots of things. But I make use of the fuck up, remove ink with a scalpel later, or I just don't tell anybody of the fuck up and no one will notice anyway. :^)

>>7012481
Did this study of a 1987 Cherry Coke ad using Posca markers with the goal of working on shape simplification and blending a limited palette of Poscas.

>>7012481
I'm focusing on calligraphy and have some real life problem so I haven't done any art recently. This is my old one.

>>7046111

>>7046112

>>7046114
U N I T

>>7046114

>>7046119

>>7046121

>>7046125
Sorry for some of them being flipped to the side

>>7044195
I appreciate that your workspace is almost as fucked with clutter as mine.
Have you considered running a tarot deck with the cats? That, or some kind of moving animation like a kinetoscope?

>>7046752
I wish it wasn't that cluttered but it is what it is atm.
For the cats I have considered all the things, including a videogame. But the most probable future project is a wordless comic to explore their world.

>>7045801
Bold and Brash

What steps are taken to achieve a smooth and three dimensional result like this?
I've been doing oils for a while now but getting to this level of refinement is just crazy.

>>7048044
asukafag would be salivating now

>>7048057

>>7047707
Have you seen Sergei Gusev's channel

Has anyone used the Chroma Atelier Interactives? It's supposedly got more workability than standard acrylics. I might get this Pthalo Turquoise regardless because I want to be enveloped in this color.

I painted a sort of robot thing, or maybe a helmet. Used gouache. Any feedback is appreciated.

>>7048100
Really nice shine effects on the suit, great shapes. The expression is a little lifeless, I think adding some darker pupils might help.

>>7046121
>>7046125
>>7046127
These are nice! nice colours, they're a bit blurry, if that makes sense, like the shine in eyes tends to have sharp edges. But that's hard with pastels I think.

>>7046120
Nice! can't think of anything.

>>7046112
These are really great! lovely contrast!

>>7045801
Interesting, I see a sort of alien creature with googles.

>>7045200
I think you did well! perhaps darken the reds a bit where the shadow lies the contrast from the cherry that's in light. Nice background!

>>7044195
Neat! Try making the lines on the low side thicker, to imply some slight shadow, I think the upper two turned out best! nicely fluffy fronds but the faces are great too!

>>7043095
Very nice! Great tones! how long did it take? Really love the values, the subtle dark on the panels in shadow.

>>7042944
Neat!
Fun project! Great writing style, font? I write barely legibly.

>>7039774
Really cool!
Love all the demon guys, you really captured the spirit of the inspiration.

>>7039169
This is great!
Is it gouache? Love the shine and definition of form through light, I find I have to crutch on linework a lot to define form.

>>7039018
Beautiful!
I think some light shining through the leaves would add some depth, more light closer to the source passing through the leaves, perhaps pushing the shadow behind the tree more?

>>7038104
Nice! Great figures, love the woman and her face, though I feel the torso might be a bit short, or the panties are shown as though shes facing us, while she's maybe leaning towards us, so the foreshortening reads like a short torso. But great face!

>>7038077
I never tried a barque plate, I think it looks good.

>>7036905
I love the color and the feathers! Very nice!

>>7048113

Would anyone here know a good book for color theory or I guess more specifically something that gets right into the meat of how to color mix to get the colors you are seeing? I am really really struggling getting a color right and its so aggravating, takes up entire time of doing a piece.

>>7052351
Understanding how we see and how the brain interprets signals from the eyes is an important part of it.
James Gurney's book Color and Light is quite good.
Plus getting a solid grip in rendering things in grayscale helps a lot, if you can render something convincingly in grayscale or monochrome, just dark and light, your color work will be more solid too.

>>7050020
>>7046127
>>7046120
>>7046121
Thanks for the compliments. The arts are more vibrant in real life. It's embarrassing since I painted them with artists grade supplies but only had a cheap phone camera.

I’m starting to doubt my mountain desu, but I like this one

10 minute pose, charcoal pencil

hello

Im glad these threads exist. I get motivated seeing amazing art by anons.

>>7048297
Wtf is interactive acrylic even?

>>7047707
Try laying in your rough strokes first and then go over them wth a dry soft brush (use synthetic) while the paint is still wet, you'll create soft blends this way for sure.

I don't know if this is the best place to ask so sorry if it isn't.

Picked up this painting and the mat is fucked, it's got mold spots and shit all over it and was warped so I was going to get it remated.

Looking at it though, isn't the way the matting is done stupid? Shouldn't the backer board be non visible and the 2nd mat go to the edge? Debating just getting a smaller frame too because it seems kind of ridiculous large for the painting. And maybe changing the mat color too idk

Would love some input from some artist because I'm just not sure.

>>7053255
There's a medium they carry that just allows you to go back over dried paint and work it.

what should I add to my oil pallet? landscape painting
Permanent Green Pale
French Ultramarine Blue
Titanium white
Cadmium Red
Lemon Yellow

>>7053543
Maybe some muted colors.
Yellow ochre is always nice and ivory black can be a worthwhile addition too.

>>7053543
burnt umber

>>7053296
Definitely badly handled.
>>7053543
Lamp black.
Phthalo blue.
Madder Lake Red.
Together with your current colors, You are ready to paint anything

Oh god threads almost over

I painted the colossus of rhodes

>>7053255
The QR code is mixed in the paint

i'm digging this thread up from page 10, bite me

>>7012481
>- what is a new technique or change to your process you've tried recently? How did it go?
haven't been drawing in months, trying to be more conceptual
>- what goals do you have for 2024?
not going broke
>- what do you like most about making traditional art, or what do you like most about your preferred medium?
charcoal and paper really brings out the neanderthal in me. there's something about i can't quite put my finger on. just me, a stick of charcoal, a piece of paper and the rest of the world can just fuck off for a few minutes or an hour.