/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

cant decide between buying the 72 basic copic sketch set from japan (under $200) or getting a larger used lot on ebay for around the same price or slightly more. kinda feel like i should just get new, and the colors in the basic set (not the a-e ones) seemed set up for blending.

>>7023909
>edc
I am not a homosexual soiman

>>7023912
>getting a larger used lot on ebay
you dont know how used is the set tho. There might be some colors almost empty.

I wouldnt risk it desu

>>7023909
>>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
2 Muji fountain pens ( EF and F nib ) , 2 Graphgear 500 0.5 w/ B lead and 0.9 w/ 2H lead.

2 Tombow Fudenosuke markers ( hard & soft tip) and 1 pentel brush

>>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?

I use a LihitLab pencil case , the smart fit model. I think its the smallest option they offer.

>>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?

Yes, its the main reason why I went for fountain pens. However I still need 005 fineliners if I want to get a really really think line. Still looking for creating my perfect EDC kit with the less amount of tools.

>>7023956
>pic
nice, does it fit in your fanny pack?

>>7023909
>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
I guess a ballpoint ben these days

>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
Depends on their fragility. But for on the go, well, the goal is to have something I can be careless with

>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
I mean... Yeah, but it's secondary;I want the tools to do what I expect them to do first and foremost. I've stopped fantasizing about tools since I've actually started to draw for real :wink:

>>7023991
> pallboint ben
k.

>>7023956
Is that pentel one refillable?

>>7024062 yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Go2m85jkI

>>7023912
I've bought Copic's new from stores that were already dry.

Has anybody here tried Chou Kuro ink? I really like working in black ink, and I was interested since it apparently dries matte. The photo and video comparisons I've seen make it look a lot darker than other black inks, but I don't know how much that shows up in person or if the photos are altered in any way.

>inb4 black is black
Some of the black inks I've used have been pretty damn grey.

>>7024278
Blackest indian inks are those who will contain more pigments, hence those will be the most expensive.

Not sure about dye-based ink, but well, come on, we're talking about inks, not about vitamin water.

>>7024471
>dye based inks
I don't use them because they're not waterproof, and I like to use watercolors with my inks frequently. I would hate to draw something, think it's good and want to paint it, then not be able to do it without the ink bleeding everywhere.

>>7023909
>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
Usually a mechanical pencil with colored lead, a 2mm clutch pencil with graphite, a couple brush pens in different colors, and a ballpoint pen. I'll swap pens for markers as needed depending on the size of my sketchbook and work needs but generally the pencils stay put, unless I'm figure drawing then I'll bring a 5.6mm clutch pencil as well for bigger pads of paper.

>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
I keep them in a pocket protector that's used as a pencil pouch. From there it's in whatever bag i need for the day. Most days I have at least a sling/fanny pack with a small sketchbook since I like to squeeze in life drawing wherever I can.

>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
Yeah, I like the weight of metal bodies but shit gets knocked around and dropped all the time so I tend to prefer beefy metal mechanical pencils for durability as well.

>>7024633
I assumed because of the fountain pen (not the tool that drinks pigments well). But look for highly pigmented inks then. Not sure which ones dry matte

Does anybody know of a fine point rollerball pen that takesfountain pen converters or is refillable? I need something with a fine line.

>>7025349
realistically three options,
Noodler's Konrad, J. Herbin Rollerball or a Pilot V5/V7 Cartridge Rollerball

>>7026058
Have you tried any of those yourself?

Is there a hard brush pen alternative to the Tombow Fudenosuke? I like the soft brush pen but the hard is too dry.

More paper on the way, looking forward to trying one sheet and putting it in the pile with all the other stuff that's worse than decent printer paper.

>>7027403
>t. paintlet

bumpin'

>>7023922
amen, I fucking hate this stupid shit
why can't people say "shit you take with you" anymore without attaching some stupid faggot lifestyle label to it is beyond me

>>7029514
sooooo... wat you carry in ur edc bro?

>>7029709
you know, normal manly stuff like wristwatches, knives and flashlights, maybe a gun with a flashlight if I’m feeling max pumped
hang on, I’ll go get my lighting setup and take a picture, it’s gonna be super cool, give me 30 minutes to arrange everything

>want to do plein air at the park but am a fat piece of shit
What's the best way to drop weight as an artist bros...

>>7029709
you know, normal manly stuff like wristwatches, knives and flashlights, maybe a gun with a flashlight if I’m feeling max pumped
hang on, I’ll go get my lighting setup and take a picture, it’s gonna be super cool, give me 30 minutes to arrange everything

>>7029715
I don’t get it, are you ashamed to go to the park because you’re fat or what? Painting in a park isn’t the most strenuous activity, most people sit

Why can't I get copics shipped from Japan proxy service this so dumb.

>>7029514
because that's less specific and also sytwy looks like you're trying to name an elf.

>>7029715
Just fucking go and draw anon I promise nobody would give two shits about you

>>7029716
> (Seth MacFarlane voice)
Like, I know a guy who had a dildo in his edc, I swear. Said it was his daughter's. Guy's so weird.

>>7029830
>sytwy
kek I hate you anon

>>7029715
>want to do plein air at the park
I went full James Gurney for a while and went in location with a pochade etc. If your idea is doing this, please don't bother. It's a pain in the fucking ass. The weather will change dramatically while you set things up, someone's kid will start annoying you, something will happen that will make you wanna move. You brought all that shit along for 20 minutes of painting. Unless your park is amazing and you plan on several sessions over a week to portray something specific, it's just way too bothersome. Get a notebook with a hard backing you can rest on your lap and a bunch of waterbrushes with a small palette. Not only it's inconspicuous and you won't feel like a retard but since you'll only manage to sketch for 4 minutes 50 seconds before a hornet attacks you, it's gonna make more sense. Then you can move to a nice table for a coffee and finish your naked catgirl there

Old mechanical pencils manufactured from 1980s to 1990s have H as preloaded graphite lead. New mechanical pencils manufactured since 2000s is loaded with HB.

>>7023909
pulled the trigger on some 5 dollar copic f01 pen, like a fountain pen but sealed up. either i clogged it immediately or it came dry... tried to check out the ink sponge and idk, a couple droplets would form if i squeezed, so, dry i guess? they sent a new one but damn what a rip. anyway,
>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
i have an amazon sketchbook cover to fit over my 5.5~ inch by 8~ inch (12x20cm roughly) sketchbook. holds a clutch pencil, lead pointer, small thing with a replacement leads, a chinese pencil/eraser thing that you strip away paper to reveal, felt tip staedtler fineliner. that's basically the default loadout but at various times i will work in:
non-copy blue col-erase pencil; better eraser; graphgear .3 and .5, the .3 keeps coming back but the .5 not so much; a double ended red and blue pencil (i have tons); sakura pigma pens, 005 in black and sepia. just depends what i been feeling like. i haven't done it this year yet but sometimes i trade out the white paper sketchbook for toned paper sketchbook when i can find it cheap, and swap in some white jelly roll pen and/or white/black charcoal.
>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
usually just in the dedicated pocket things in my affordable chinese journal cover, but on occasion i will put things in a random metal tin from amazon. double-latches securely, pretty slim, fits a few pens/pencils and an eraser/sharpener/pointer, and i added some self-adhesive cork to stop things rattling.
>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
not really, i just assume whatever i will buy will hold up to me using and porting it. the only "issue" i ever had was with this pentel multi-lead thing, i would have to flick it to get leads to enter and exit the clutch assembly.

>>7027379
Something like this?

>>7030071
Most mechanical pencils you can refill with the kind of lead you like. I only use non-repro blue lead myself.

>>7024278
I tried putting it in a fountain brush pen but it doesn't come out near as dark as it does on a nib.

>>7030230
have you found any blue lead smaller than .5mm?

Holy kek Fierro 40pc newspaper is cheap and huge as fuck! Bought 3 stacks for around $10

>>7030990
What are you doing with it?

>>7026976
Konrad i've tried at a physical pen swap. Wasn't bad, wasn't exciting either. can't speak for maintenance since i didn't own it obviously but the tip is supposed to be replaced every so often (along with all the other noodlers crap you have to put up with).
It's a niche in a niche type pen which is why almost no one makes them.

If I want to get into gouache is the holbein 18 pack fine (or similar set from winsor) or should I follow a more restricted palette like what Watt's lists here: https://www.wattsatelier.com/materials/#Gouache

Also are the brushes they list adequate, I'm not going to be doing large pieces just a3/a4 size probably alongside markers.

Is sharpening pencils with a knife/razor a meme? Is it worth it for a beg

>>7031334
I got the Windsor Newton 10 pack of gouache. Gouache is more expensive than something like acrylic, and the less colors you choose, the less money you have to spend. Also, mixing your own colors from primaries can give you a more cohesive feeling to your work if you do it right. Do swatches.

I'm not sure with brushes because I already have a large selection from working with acrylics (I don't keep my brushes separated for use with specific mediums unless I use one for glue or something).

Debating removing the video game/TV half of my bedroom desk and replacing it with this random drafting desk from goodwill. It's a nice desk, unbranded I guess, I'm just completely out of room. The first drafting desk I found (lol) went to a different part of my apartment and wound up getting filled up with gunpla, model cars, and paint supplies and I don't really want those in my bedroom. Space is at a premium but tbqh I have no "real" tables left so I guess my mind is made up.

>>7031334
Throw the watts list into the trash, burn it, and bury it so it can learn the joy of earth tones. Seems different from what I remember of the wattses' gouache courses' materials.

enjoying the pencil extender lifestyle

>>7033124
I don't understand why wooden pencils are still a thing. It seems like a waste of good trees, plus you have to spend a lot of time sharpening, and then if you don't want to uncomfortably adjust your grip to write with a shorter pencil, you have to buy an extender too. Why go through all that wheb you can just have one outside bit to hold the lead that you keep, and just replace the lead when it runs out? Consistent grip, no sharpening needed, and less wasteful of materials.

>>7034636
son, you’re all kinds of stupid
pencil wood is a waste product, if that
and that’s the least retarded thing in that post

>>7034636
Trees are literally the most renewable resource.

>>7034636
>he doesn't draw in 8B lead or softer
ngmi

>>7034636
you know you can grow trees, right?

>>7035218
but can you grow concrete?

>>7034636
The pencil extenders are part of the fun idiot
Nothing makes me feel more like some sort of dark wizard channeling the creative power of foreign gods than inserting a tiny pencil into an extender like it's a power crystal and the extender is a magic wand and then scratching away at the paper with delicate, scalpel-like strokes, engraving augurous images of things that were, are, or may yet be
As others have said you're NGMI, you have no basic sense for what's cool in life

>>7034636
I was once like you, and I only got the extender for some colored pencils where I was already stuck with wood cased. But having one solved the whole grip issue, and I found I like the tip I get sharpening with just my pocket knife on the assorted #2s I have around.
Kind of weird having my worldview upended by a few cents of chinesium tubing, but here we are.

What fountain pen should I check out for my first one for sketching?

I heard Vilppu uses the Pilot Falcon, but I don't wanna spend so much on my first pen.

I've seen the Pilot Kakuno recommended, and I see that the LAMY Safari is quite popular too.

I wonder if you guys have any recommendations if any of you have fountain pens.

what's a good place to buy some cheap sketchbooks? Was searching around temu and aliaexpress. I'd just get a shit ton of printer paper, but sketchbooks are cool.

>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
brass sport fountain pen, mechanical pencil and clutch pencil. Two lined pocket books and a wallet that carries a sketchbook

>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
Kawecos are in the tin inside a holster that a friend made me for my belt. Two lined note books are in a folio in my front pocket and the sketchbook is inside a leather wallet

>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
Durability and size comes first when considering it as a pocket edc but I have a messenger bag that carries a lot of my other cool stuff

>>7024278
Better of getting a noodlers X feather ink than that piece of shit

>>7035290
The extenders unironically add some special balance to a short pencil that doesn't exist in a full length normal pencil don't they

>>7030092
I've been using the Pentel Sign pen and it's better than the Hard Fudenosuke but it's not as fine. In the past there used to be a Pentel pen with a delta wing tip but I don't think they make it anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3zFOAUfDZo

>>7035366
I buy most of my sketchbooks from jerry's artarama these days. They have frequent sales and sometimes even overstock so you can really save some money there. Another option is Five Below if you have one near you. Their watercolor sketchbooks are incredible for the price, though they've been been getting smaller (used to be 40 sheets now they're down to 36), But $5 for 9x12 140lb paper you really can't beat it.

>>7035353
Stiff nib pens like that all work pretty much the same, the biggest difference really is just how they look.
The Kakuno is perfectly serviceable and has a good price, it's a low risk pick if you just wanna see if you'll like drawing with them. It's comfortable to hold and somehow ended up the pen I use the most.
Whatever pen you end up going with just be sure to get a good-sized converter that can hold a lot of ink (and a syringe to transfer the ink with lower risk of accidentally getting it on your fingers)

>>7035353
I started with the kakuno and use LAMY now (mostly F but I also use an EF at times). The ink flows a little better.

>>7035271
anon suddenly pulls out an extender partway through a drawing, yelling "I was only using 10% of my true power"

>>7035650
I can't deal with the ringbound ones anymore
The pages shift against each other which results in smearing and transfer
I stick to thread-bound with a flexible cover so it can lie flat and the pages don't shift and rub together when it moves around. Much better.

>>7035771
rings are for people who don’t hoard the drawings, that’s why they come with perforation, you draw, give the drawing to whomever, the cut is clean and there’s no trace of the sheet left because rings

>>7035771
>>7035941
Personally I prefer ringbounds because it uses half the space on my desk
and I prefer landscape over portrait orientations. Anons were talking these sketchbooks in the last few threads, don't really care for the sizes for the price but maybe they'd be more your style:
https://www.dickblick.com/products/talens-art-creations-sketchbooks/?fromSearch=%2Fsearch%2F%3Fsearchword%3Droyal%20talons%20creations

>>7036047
For the Germs/Europeans these ones are the best on the market:
https://www.bindewerk.com/en/Metal-Edge/
Expensive but the quality of the binding and the paper is superb.

>>7036053
>exp-
stopped reading
the sketchbooks the other anon linked are good because they’re cheap and all around decent
if I’m using good materials and being serious, I’m gonna use stretched paper

>>7036068
>>7036053
although lmao at those prices, they’re half that in the stores near me

pen holder and drawing journals, already filled 4 of these
lamy fountain pen
.7 and .9 pencils with 2B lead specifically
eraser sticky notes and whatever else

>>7035766
You get it
>>7035941
>rings are for people who don’t hoard the drawings
Imagine not hoarding drawings! Something is wrong with some people!!
>>7036047
>because it uses half the space on my desk
Yeah that has been a problem for me also, in fact I had to get a new monitor stand so I can shove my keyboard aaaallllll the way back to get the max amount of space possible
Thank you for link anon, those look nice, I have a hoard of spare sketchbooks stored up in a box and I might pick one of these up at some time just to see if they're better than my current, which is this:
https://ledaartsupply.com/products/mother-leda-medium-art-sketchbook
>>7036053
These look kinda cool too, I've never seen sketchbooks with a wooden cover (is that real wood?) or that metal edge they seem to have
>>7036068
Why would you use stretched paper? What is stretched paper?

Honestly idk if this the right place to ask
Are there cheap alternatives to cotton fabric for making canvas?

>>7036589
This is the right place to ask this but I have no answer for you because I do not know

are G nibs bait?

>>7036793
All trad tools are bait, but there's nothing wrong with g pens in particular.
But know that "flexible" by japanese nib standards is still stiff as hell.

>>7036793
Go with hunt nibs I really like using their crow quills

How many endangered squirrels do the russians kill to make a #12 round brush?

So, I want to try alcohol markers and the ohuhu 48 colors set cost 40 euros, does any one have used it? I dont want to spend too much in something I might dont like and they seems a good starting point.

>>7037199
The hair comes from China, they banned the good quality Russian kolinsky tail hair.

>>7037199
probably zero
same as hog or calf hair, I doubt brushes are the primary product
goes for the pencil guy above too, nobody cuts down a tree for pencils and toothpicks, they gather up the waste left from serious shit and make secondary and tertiary products out of that
might as well refuse to buy cat food to save chickens

>>7024087
I Still kek to this response

is using charcoal for the darks in graphite haram?

>>7036589
What I can tell you from my experience asking family is that apparently the price gap between buying a canvas and making it yourself is lower nowadays, maybe not worth it.
Still gotta do it if you want specific dimensions.

what paper do you recommend for using with fineliners and black ink? something on the thick side would be nice in case of covering big areas with black ink.

>>7040035
You want bristol board. If you're only using technical pens and brushes you could try cardstock, but if you plan using dip pens you'll want something sturdier since metal nibs are hard on paper and it will feather. For specific brands I'd check to see what comic book artists use since they're the most likely to be using the same materials you want to work with.

>>7036589
a panel meete for paintynge, at small coste
haue a flagstone whych the maisons split from slate. then with faire water and emerie or pomace poulder, or else common sande, scoure flat the surfaise with an other piece of stone, smaller, with surfaise playn, and anon shall you finde the surface of the flagstone prettylie attayn a like flatnesse. haue it playn and euen, yet not ouer muche smoothe, that the tempera or ground shall attache the more stronglie. and yf you marke lynes vpon the surfaise with a sharp yronne, then shall the paynt vpon the panel be more proofe agaynst remouinge itself in time and it is readie, to be couered with a grounde of white lead in oyle.
yet to giue it a true and lastynge preparacion, i shall recount a tempera whych others guarde to his graue, hitherto vnpublyshed. take the milk of the fig, and melte him with pix graeca, and oyle of lyne which hath been heated with massicot til thyrde consumed, and new wax, and with this tempera bray ceruse while yet hotte. than heate vppe the flagstone and the mixtion with a gentil and euen fyre, and annoynt the mixtion vpon the flagstone while yet warm and flowynge, and beate it with the palme, or else with a daub of sheep skinne filled with wool. and when it dryeth vpon the stone but yet retaineth somme tack, paynt all ouer with an imprimature of white lead in oyle as the paynters do, and haue it lean accordynge to an other receipt i haue written. paynt vpon it and it shall out last woode or clothe.

>>7040432
Strong power in this post

>>7039812
No not really
Jono Dry uses graphite powder mixed with a small amount of linseed oil to achieve extreme darkness
Take note linseed oil "dries" by chemically reacting with the air and this process releases heat, so much heat that it can cause spontaneous ignition, so please carefully research the correct way to do the job if this is your plan
Also a possibility: mars lumograph black pencils

>>7036589
idk if you specifically mean a soft fabric alternative but I use this stuff from the hardware store and gesso it. I also usually get them to cut it to size too.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hardboard-Tempered-Panel-Common-1-8-in-4-ft-x-8-ft-Actual-0-115-in-x-47-7-in-x-95-7-in-832777/202189720

>>7040432
this maken vapourant offe musterd

>>7036589
A friend of mine used to gesso old thrifted bedsheets that were cut up and stapled to a frame.

>>7040609
are you habitually shilling lumographs here or are they considered to be darker than other pencils? I have soft lumographs and I never thought them to be darker than other brands, but I keep seeing them mentioned here

>>7040886
>someone had sex on that painting

>>7041177
Use better paper. It's clearly darker than other brand.
I'm loyal to Faber Castell but I need Lumograph and Lumograph Black to archive darker shade since FC Pitt haven't available in my country.

>>7041253
>better paper makes other pencils lighter, but not mine
???
I use brynzeels, they’re not any darker

>>7035353
This may be late and repeatedly but newbies need to know these wonderful pen for starter.
>Platinum Preppy
The best starter pen and the only cheap pen with 0.2 nib available. If you only care about usefulness and ignore fashion and style, this probably your pen for life. Top recommended
Jinhao 51A, 0.36 hooded nib. This pen is under 2$ and can last for decades if you know how to take care of it. Advanced version is Jinhao 85 and 86.
Hongdian Black forest. Metal barrel pen, very fashionable, 0.4 line, quality nibs. Around 5-10$ depend on the retailer and package.
Jinhao x750 with Zebra G nib. Popular amongst Pen artists because of how flexible it is. Requires modding and people usually fail 1 or 2 times at first.
Try this out first to see if you really like a flex pen before decide on Falcon Pilot.
That's all I can think of, these pen are cheaper and arguably better than Lamy Safari. You can buy all of them and it's still cheaper than Lamy.

>>7023909
>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
a mediocre a4 sized sketchbook, a cheap fountain pen and a cheap dip pen plus cheap indian ink
>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
if im going out i take the fountain pen in my pocket/backpack
>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
i never invest in higher quality tools anymore because i obsess over not using them feeling when i do as wasteful; "oh im not doodling in the nice drawing pad, oh im not wasting the expensive consumable for this crap"

>>7041317
buy some 640 gsm arches or high ply bristol so the other stuff gets knocked down a peg and you can use it.

>>7041333
>333
I kneel

>>7041317

anon you can buy those consumables again. what's the point of owning it if you're not using it for what it's meant to be used for

>>7041564
exactly my point, the worst kind of supplies are the ones you never use, if i spend big money on something i'd use it "responsibly" meaning only for real drawings, i wouldn't buy the expensive inks for sketching doodles practice and so on, which defeats its purpose, might as well buy cheap ink it draws well enough, its the end product that matters not the tools used

>>7041333
nice digits, i'll be honest i have no clue what the hell you just said, what would buying all that paper knock down a peg huh?

>>7041609
>have 20 cents a sheet and 2.00 a sheet options
>"well, i don't wanna waste the good stuff I'll just go with the 20 cent one"
>buy some 7 dollar a sheet paper
>"well, I don't wanna waste the good stuff I'll just go with the 2 buck one"

>>7042738
but I don’t have a $7 sheet

>>7042738
seems rather irrisponsible spending habit for a hobby

What should I pick as my first watercolor set? I've been using one of my mom's sets and it's decent but I wanna get my own.

I think I'd prefer pans to tubes, because I want to try painting outdoors.

Should I just get a small set of like 6 colors with warm and cool versions of red yellow and blue, or should I go for a bigger set? I see many people recommending starting with a smaller palette, but it looks more convenient to be able to mix most colors with only two paint colors instead of a more complex process.

I've also heard you can put the tube paints in the pans and they're the same. Do you just have to let them dry and then they turn into the same consistency?

>>7043154
if you’re painting already, you should have an idea
also, buying sets is retarded unless heavily discounted
yes, they’re usually the same, but it depends on the paint and pigment, cotmans tube browns dry like a rock, never ever pour that shit out outside of a pan

>>7043154
>>7043174
what I mean is, you should know what colors you’re using if you already paint, get primaries because duh, then get whatever secondaries you need and then get the convenience paint of the colors you’re often using so you don’t mix them every time

>>7043174
I don't really see what's wrong with getting a set. Even if you throw out a nonsense color, it still comes up cheaper than buying the rest as singles and you get a case with it.

>>7043478
>cheaper
it really isn’t unless it’s a small primary set or just happens to have the colors you’ll use
>case
you get a case that literally costs $2 and get taxed 500% for a brand logo and you probably don’t need it anyway unless it’s your first one, plus tube sets generally don’t come with one
everyone painting with watercolors has like 12 useless palettes they never used and one crusty palette that they actually use, it’s a waste of money

>>7043492
Well, anon did specify that it's his first personal one. Obviously if you already have supplies then a set isn't what you want.
But the 12 packs from real companies all seem like split primaries, 2-3 secondaries, 2-3 earth tones, maybe some sepia or black, plus the obligatory oddball color you wouldn't ever buy alone. For the cost of about 9-10 colors this all seems pretty reasonable as a starting point.

>>7043543
I mean, look at the set in anon’s pic
>Buff Titanium
>Hansa Yellow Light
>Hansa Yellow Medium
>Hansa Yellow Deep
>Pyrrol Scarlet
>Quinacridone Rose
>Cerulean Blue, Chromium
>Ultramarine Blue
>Sap Green
>Yellow Ochre
>Burnt Sienna
>Raw Umber
then there’s the full set, pic related
also, you’re know you’re being ripped off when HAND POURED in all caps is the first thing the box tells you

mt temu slop is coming in today. i wasn't brave enough to buy wet mediums so i opted for nothing but a clutch pencil set, some leads, and various sizes of sketchbook, loose paper, and some weird ledger looking zip-up thing that presumably holds the sketchbook and pencils that i don't have a proper name for. padfolio, portfolio? whatever. everything together was 30 bucks (free shipping) which is insane. unless every piece of paper is just trash tier and the leads don't work. the pencils look like a chinese copy of the staedtler ones which is funny.

>>7040432
Based
>>7040886
>>7040729
This is also based, currently I'm using some left over wooden from a building near home but I didn't know that you can do that with old bedsheets
Thank you guys

I've been enjoying inking a bit lately and i'm using mostly zebra gpen nibs but something I don't know is how long does a nib even last usually?
I have a good bunch of spares and i'm thinking of getting some maru nibs too but I can't seem to find any shop selling them in packs of 5 or 10 unless for like 20 euros.

I want to paint with very heavy impasto in oil, can anyone recommend some good palette knives? cost doesn't matter, I really like having one very good tool as a workhorse so one individual knife and then a set would work perfectly

>>7041198
If it's at the thrift store, the only action it got was being peed on or died on, probably both.
>>7043672
I forgot I posted here until I saw the (you) at the bottom of the page. You could maybe see if places are trying to get rid of wood pallets and just sand that down really well. If you end up building something, post it here.

Has anyone ever tried silverpoint? People say it's just a posh mechanical pencil but I can't help but be fascinated by it.

>>7036567
>Why would you use stretched paper? What is stretched paper?
NTA so I don't know if this is what he meant, but there are blocks of certain kinds of paper like watercolor paper that are glued down at the edges. For watercolor and other very wet media, it prevents the paper from warping as it dries since the glued edges keep the inside taut - then when the image is fully dry, you just gently peel the edges or use a palette knife to free the top sheet, revealing the next slice below.

>>7040609
I use lumographs and that makes me shill them habitually, but I'm talking about the "mars lumograph black" pencils which are different from the regular "mars lumograph" pencils
The regular ones are blue colored and are just pencils
The black ones have a black barrel and extra carbon in the lead so that they leave a very black, matte finish with no graphite shine, they're basically some kind of weird fusion between graphite and charcoal, look them up

>>7045181
it’s a shit tier medium and the only possible reason you’d ever use it is out of unironic autism
equivalent to asking about wooden shoes in an /out/ footwear thread

>>7046763
clogs are great though.

>>7046817
get flooded, you tulip sniffing metrosexual

thought's on the faber-castells polychromos? I don't like/need the colors on the set of 12 and 24 so I think I'll buy them independently at my local store. Already bought the burnt-sienna and it's really great. let me know if you've used them before
(I mainly use colored pencils to touch up watercolors/guache paintings btw)
>>7043154
>I've also heard you can put the tube paints in the pans and they're the same. Do you just have to let them dry and then they turn into the same consistency?
this is what I've done. Bought Holbein watercolor tubes and a case with pans. each 5ml tube can fill a pan twice, so it pays off
They never really dry because they have honey mixed in. Sennelier do to.

that said, you should buy these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeM--z3b-WQ
specially if you want to paint outdoors, all you need. The box sucks, so buy the pans /or tubes and get a small metal box from aliexpress or wtv

>>7043154
>>7046888
Holbein watercolor is vegan outside of ivory black, there isn't honey in them and I've always thought they dried on the harder side.
Schmicke uses the same formula for both their pan and tube paints. so you can refill them and get the same experience.

There are a few smells in the world that are like "this is what heaven smells like"
One of them is when the barrel of a pencil is made of cedar wood and you sharpen the pencil and you can smell the freshly shaved cedar
FMSIFJEDSF
Why has no one figured out how to make long-lasting deoderants that smell like this? I would douse every item of clothing I own, it's amazing

>>7047162
Holbein dries fine imo, the pigments reactivates without issues, the real issue is that despite what they may say the colors aren't lightfast when mixed. I bought this blue and when mixed with cad red it results in a bright purple, a few days later and it the color vanishes on its own.

https://www.dickblick.com/items/holbein-artists-watercolor-manganese-blue-nova-15-ml-tube/

I keep thinking I'll find a better mechanical pencil but the 2mm Amazon special keeps coming back. There's a 15 dollar bundle from "Nicpro" with black metal 2mm pencils, shit is great. Pair with the pentel smash 03 I've had for donkey's years and I'm off.

>>7047831
Oh no, they re-wet fine (though Opera pink takes a little longer), they're just on the more solid side of watercolor paint compared to how something like Sennelier or M Graham tends to be sticky. Holbein would be a good choice for plenair painting if it weren't for the fact they use fugitive pigments for most of their paints. How anyone fucks up PB15 I have no idea.

>>7048425
There's a reason their watercolors are the cheapest in Europe. Their gouache is top quality though.
If you still want to try Holbeing WC then buy the 5ml and test the colors by doing a swatch list and cutting them in half, even in shadow the colors faded.

>>7048425
When buying nipponese products, remember that you're paying the 200% gaijin tax for how good you should expect it to be.

>>7048558
5ml tubes are about 7-9USD and the 15ml tubes are between 10 - 13 where I get them, so it's not so much the price as what >>7048607 says, for such raved about watercolors you'd expect better but they're just kinda average. You're better off buying ShinHan PWC, were the majority of their line is like 8$ for full sized tubes AND they flow well in water.

>>7043639
Post pics

>>7046888
>trip
Highly suggest you buy individual ones if it is not that much more expensive. You will need a lot of White pencils so buy 2 at least.

>>7048644
Here in Europe they're the cheapest artist grade watercolors but I agree they're bang average in some aspects, they're still artist grade as they don't have fillers and you can use them to color ink drawings but I would be careful with what colors you pick, they look great fresh but a few weeks/months later some of the colors look grainy and the color vanished.

>>7048946
this is just about everything, total was 33 USD shipped without any of the weird fishing minigames or whatever. minus the writing implements and ruler in the left side yellow pockets there since i already had those. the clutch pencils sucked, one came out broken (clutch just doesn't engage) and one has some kind of thing inside it because the staedtler leads stick out super far and the 90mm also need shaved down some, no built in sharpener so i set it somewhere and am not using it. it was like 1.50 USD though so whatever. hardback book and case thing i am pretty sure are on amazon, temu might have the better price idk. all in all i didn't expect or receive the highest tier of materials but it's alright. either i didn't understand the measurements or they just sent the wrong thing because at the time of ordering, all this paper was supposed to fit into the folio thing. but it doesn't, nbd. also a pack of weird meme stickers for like 75 cents.

and the random harry potter poster is a pack of mythical creatures sold as "loose journal paper" for some reason. there's like 12 of them.

>>7049379

You could've put that 33 bucks toward actually good stuff. Now you have shit that sucks and $33 less. I never get people who think like temu shit is 'oh even if it sucks it was only x dollars'. Nigger that shit adds up towards something you could've spent on GOOD supplies....

>>7049409
what's a good supply? can you ID everything in that picture and point towards the good one so other anons don't make this massive fuck up when buying carbon and sketch paper? not sure how i'm going to recover...

I want to get into sumi-e / suibokuga.

I've read the advice that "you shouldn't try to skimp on your brush", but it's hard for me to tell what's good and what's not, not to mention that I'll have to order online. I'm also getting some conflicting info, like one Western site saying shodo and sumie brushes are different and you should pay attention, but a Japanese video saying a brush is a brush is a brush, use what works for you.

I'm curious if any of you ever went down this rabbit hole and has some info to share. I'd also love to hear some practical experiences regarding liquid format sumi vs the kind you grind down yourself, as that's another divisive topic from what I've seen.

>>7050080
I don’t know shit about sumi-e, and I guarantee both those videos are 100% factually correct
different brushes handle water mediums extremely differently and from the perspective of trying to learn a specific technique based on x brush, using y brush is disastrous to your progress because you as a begtard have no idea where the issue is or how to fix it, but a guy with 20 years of experience doesn’t give a shit because he understands what the brush is incapable of so he just doesn’t do it

hello, I’m retarded. am I supposed to shake the ink before using it?

>>7050080
Sumi-e mean ink art. They have a lot of styles in Japan. You can divide them into 2 group: traditional and modernized.
Traditional don't allow tools other than "4 treasures of the office": ink (water also belong to "ink"), ink stone, calligraphy brush and paper. Because of the respect for their tools, traditionalists are very strict with the roles of each tool. For example "Wolf" hair brush is used for dry and scratchy stroke while goat hair is used for thick wet stroke. They can spend ton of money for the tools.
Modernized sumi-e use everything available to make ink art. Brush pen go brrrrrr.
They are not conflict with each other so most artist follow both practice. The ritual of traditional help you gain your confidence with each brush stroke, building your spirit. The modernized get the job done neat and clean.

>>7050080
https://the-worlds-oldest-inkstick.jp/
They've got some information resources there that you might find helpful.
>>7053306
I recall watching a documentary about how the traditional ink can take several years to be ready.

>>7053318
They are special ink stick with high quality, clean of toxic chemical, with deep black color. Modern tools can speed up the progress but Traditionalists refer Traditional way.
There are a lost practice of using your pet hair to make brushes. Ancient Asian believed if you take good care of the anime, brushes make from it's hair will give you luck and protect you from evil.

>>7049379
>33$
>Free shipping
:))

I am from pizza land and I wanted to know how to buy copics from japan since where do il ive they cost about 7,50 euro x pieces. I asked Tenso and Blackship if I could use their service, but the response was " it's a proibited item". Does anyone know a solution to this? Or I should start saving money for it?( I don't trust that much ebay).

what's a snazzy mechanical pencil I can get myself? got any recs?

>>7053613
Plastic: Pentel Sharp
Metal: Platinum Pro Use 1000
Retractable: Twsbi Precision, Pentel Graphgear 1000
Multipen: Rotring 600 3 in 1
Avoid gimmicks like Kuru Toga and delguard, and Ohto

is getting ink gunk on the nib during inking normal? I’m using sennelier a la pagoda ink, and I’m getting noticeable gunk after 2 dips, am I supposed to clean that off or just keep going and clean it after?

>>7055404
Leave it on to season your nib

>>7055433
no, seriously, I filled out a page and had to use a toothbrush to get the gunk off, am I putting too much ink on the nib or something?

>>7055404
>>7055516
if it's dried ink crust that's normal, i wipe every couple mins and whenever it stops flowing smoothly.

>>7055536
I think anon mean to left it there while working. Some nibs hold very little ink like old Zebra G so some people let the ink dry at first dip. There are better way like adding Gum arabi, sand paper, converter,...

>>7023909
wtf is an EDC

>>7056393
Every Day Carry

>>7023909
>>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
way back in the day, we gathered for our first nude drawing class and first thing right off the bat was we had to lay our right hand on the bench and the professor would chop off our hands. burned the wound shut with a metal stick and put on a bandaid and you quit your whining right then and there. some of us were brave enough to paint with the blood that came through the stump, but most did as i did. took a brush in my mouth and dipped it in my feces. the ones that didn't finish their painting that day were shot in the backyard

>>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
FFW my last year at the uni. by this time, i was missing both hands and the right foot. my professor obviously liked me. i was the one who got the least acid in their breakfast cup of dirt water. professor would give us his old brushes one at a time. he would pull them through his asscrack first and then through his armpits. I stored them in the little trolly i made from timber, hemp rope, four rocks and wood panels i broke off of the wall. i still have that trolly.

>>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
these days, i mostly get by as an academic mouth painter. i do commissions for churches and murals. the Balkan might come across as rough for academic artists, but it's a fair and simple life. i have no money to get new tools and if i did, my uni would send out a headhunter to shoot me down. i am contractually obliged to use only the materials that the uni listed as fair to use for their alumni. i am only allowed half a kilo of rabbit skin glue, white spirit and lead paint as well as naples yellow (we have to eat the mangos ourselves and dry our own urin to get it).

so yeah, i wish i had just become a camgirl, shaved my feet and got an OF account when i still had my tender teenage feet.

>>7056429
I love how mentally ill this board gets sometimes
t. late twenties and still have my tender teenage feets because of a mix of good genes and knowledge of lost technology like nail clippers and foot cream

>>7058454
>loves mentally ill behavior
>discusses footcare regimines in an art supply thread on a japanese anime image board
checks out

are there any supplies widely considered shit that you love? for me it’s the brause school nib, something about it just clicks with the way I draw, it has excellent capacity, great flow (that tends to bloat if you’re slow, I guess that’s why people hate it), the size is just right and it somehow feels stiff while getting a broader stroke without much pressure

the other is royal talens gouache, I prefer it over gum arabic gouache

>>7036104
Neat. What pen holder is that?

>>7053504
you gotta ask around, biginjapan and dejapan said they are both fine with it and then told me they would ship EMS even though blackship was saying it was prohibited.

Anyway I'm shipping a large batch from DeJ soon to the US, haven't had any issues yet and they were fine ordering them for me.

>>7059167
well see how much customs fucks me (says 5% of total) but it should be ~550 for 180 markers (72 set a+b, 24 illustration set, 12 individual markers to fill in gaps)

I think biginjapan might be better because its just forwarding so you can order the copic colors individually and not have to pay a per item url fee which is why I went for buying sets even though its not as ideal

>>7059188
not sure about italy, but euro here
customs is generally % of TOTAL cost, meaning including shipping, but THEN you get taxed on VAT where the base is TOTAL cost thus far, meaning price+shipping+customs
with the caveat that customs have a bottom limit, meaning you might not pay anything, but VAT I think you always pay

>>7059203
Good grief. Why are Yuros so raped on VAT, or have to pay that at all?

>>7059240
have to pay for the free stuff somehow

>>7059240
infrastructure ain’t free
that said, it varies, there are countries in eu where max income tax is like 10%-15%, then there are ones where it’s 60%

>>7059257
But you're paying income taxes, and taxes on domestic goods and services that they include in the cost as it is. It just looks like some shitty way that they've re-routed the cost of importing things to consumers instead of businesses or individual countries to pay some kind of flat cost. I don't know. I guess we see it in the US through sales taxes, but it all just seems ridiculous.

>>7059331
> reroute to consumers
even the supposed regulatory taxes get passed to consumers at some point. currency is most devalued once its paid to the workers too, which is in itself a form of tax.

>>7059331
everything is taxed multiple times, everywhere, I’m just saying you wouldn’t necessarily have more money in the us with the same income, some countries are better off, and that’s not counting lower bills and shit
I’ve worked overseas and it was the same shit, just with different labels and taken at different stages
all my bills including internet and cellphone plus property tax come to <1,5k annually

>>7059157
ANSWER MY THOUGHT PROVOKING HIGH IQ QUESTION RIGHT FUCKING NOW, YOU FAGGOTS

>>7059157
Cheap oil pastels. They are fun for rough experimental sketches

>>7059188
With biginjapan you can probably also get them to put on a fake price so that you pay customs less, but still, as long as the order is less than 150 euros (shipping is not included), you should be fine and will have to pay probably only 22% on the product price.

>>7060343
Faber Castell Creative Studio Quality oil pastels gave me a hellish experience. Fuck, those were so gross to use.

>>7060399
>fake price
does that slide in italy? here they’d slap you with the highest cost on the internet as a base for trying to fuck customs over, and probably sit on it for 2 months just for good measure

>>7060419
Depends on the order, maybe with copic it is a little bit harder, but with something like doujins and doujin music it is sure easier to do because they are very niche. Also just don't make it too obvious.
A friend from another EU country does that like 3-4 times per year when there are CDs he wants.

Are there any cheap sketchbooks that are good for ink (ballpoint/fountain pen)? Printer paper sucks.

>>7059157
>it has excellent capacity,
It has even less ink capacity than the Zebra G-Pen, you make a line and you have to dip again.

I do like Royal Talens gouache before it started to smell like toxic waste mixed with baby powder perfume.

>>7060403
Get Montmart

>>7060403
>>7061355
Montmart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FKOD_kDiEY
Sennelier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hit-jhoeu7I

>>7061186
use better printer paper.

>>7061186
Maruman soho sketchbooks are pretty nice. It's smooth and thick and holds up well to tech pens and alcohol markers so ballpoints should work perfectly. Only wish they sold styles that aren't perfect bound, taking out pages individually kinda sucks.

I don't usually draw traditional but have started doing so frequently because they dont give me anything to do at my new job. I'm using mechanical pencils and some felt tip pens of unknown brand my brother gave me. I figure I should get some better stuff to work with but I don't know anything about traditional art. Recs please lmao? I think I need a more precise eraser more than anything

>>7061978
>think I need a more precise eraser more than anything
I like thees https://www.amazon.com/Tombow-MONO-Eraser-Round-2-3mm/dp/B005IQHCHK?th=1

>>7061978
you need to stop pressing the pencil like a mongoloid 2bh
if you can’t see the mark, use a softer lead

>>7059188
Thanks! I will try this

Bump

>>7061342
works on my holder
could be your ink is thinner

shill me colored pencils

I don't want to buy alcohol markers

>>7067187
What ink and paper are you using?

Looking for mechanical pencils or whatever for a better start as a starting artist.
>Paper Mate Clearpoint Mechanical Pencils, HB #2 Lead (0.7mm), 2 Pencils, 1 Lead Refill Set, 2 Erasers

this is the only thing I have on my digital cart, what else do i need for this?

>>7067202
What kind of art do you want to do? Different pencils are good for different things.

>>7068292
You only need an HB pencil and an eraser.
Once you're sure you love drawing with mechanical pencil you can start adding more pencils, imo the best order would be
>Second 0.7 with 2B lead
>0.3 with HB lead
>0.9 with HB lead
>Third 0.7 with 2H lead
>0.5 with HB lead

Also if you're getting the Clearpoint at $3-4 a piece and can get the Pentel Sharp at $6 instead, go for the Sharp, it'll last you a lifetime and is just way more comfortable to use long term.

>>7068326
HB sucks as a sole pencil unless it’s just for an underdrawing, 2B is optimal, B is okay

>>7068344
For wood pencils, sure.
For mechanical pencils you want to sketch with 2H, line with HB and shade with 2B. The (relatively) consistent line width reduces the tonal range of each lead.

>>7068352
No, for mech pencils too. Assuming you only have one grade and you’re making a complete drawing, shading and all, HB is ass.
I would never tell someone he just needs an HB if he wants to do pencil drawing.
Underdrawings, sure, HB is great. Multiple grades, again, great. But if you’re using one lead, make it soft.

>>7068292
Softer lead. At least 2B. That way if you want lighter values you can just apply less pressure instead of having to use more force with harder lead. It's easier and it's better for overall wrist health in the long run. What kind of erasers were you thinking of getting? If it's those pink ones don't bother. they stain paper and are more likely to smear. Look into Tombow Mono, they make less mess and are gentle on paper. Mechanical pencils themselves don't matter much, mostly just buy what looks like it'd be comfortable in your hand. though I will say triangular barrels are nice.

Some anon left this rec for me a while ago, thought it was pretty good.

###Anons Art Supply Recs###

>Eraser
*Faber-Castell kneadable eraser
*Sakura Sumo Grip
*Tombow Mono Zero
*Pentel Clic-Erase
*Tombow Mono Black
>2mm Lead
*Staedtler Mars Carbon
*Caran d' Ache Technograph
*Uni Mitsubishi
>2mm Lead Holders - metal knurl
*Staedtler Mars Technico
*Alvin Tech-Matic
*Uni Mitsubishi
>2mm Lead Holders - no/plastic knurl
*Bic Criterium
*Faber-Castell TK 9400
*Kitaboshi
*Koh-I-Noor Versatile
*Rotring 300
>0.3-0.9 Lead
*Pentel Ain Stein
*Uni Smudge Proof
*Pilot Neox
>Mechanical Pencils - metal knurl
*Pentel Graphgear 500
*Staedtler 925
*Pentel Graphgear 1000
*Tombow Mono Graph Zero
*Rotring 600
>Mechanical Pencils - no/plastic knurl
*Pentel Sharp
*Pentel Sharp bootlegs
*Zebra M-301
*Tombow Mono Graph Lite
*Rotring Tikki
>Pencils
*Lyra Art Design
*Staedtler Mars Lumograph
*Faber-Castell 9000
*Prismacolor Turquoise
*Uni Mitsubishi Hi-Uni
>Fineliners
*Uni Pin Pen
*Copic Multiliner
*Sakura Micron

>>7068326
>>7068363
WHy not on the mechanicals? Is it an issue with sketching and the pressure they give?

>>7068688
My reply was probably unclear, Mechanical pencils themselves are fine for drawing, but the actual part you're holding isn't the important part. You can buy softer leads for mechanical pencils, which is what I was suggesting. Outside of the lead you could really just use any dollar store brand and it would be okay, as long as it felt good in your hand.

>>7068776
in my experience people new to drawing can't modulate pressure well enough yet and will end up breaking through a whole pipe of solf lead in a single drawing. But they should be used to writing with HB from school work.

What you plan to draw also matters, if you're gonna be drawing clean line-art the anon that said 2H-HB-2B is right, that's what architects use for the sake of cleanliness. If you wanna do soft rendering you might want HB-B-2B-4B for a better tonal range but be aware 4B lead is only available at 0.5 and 2.0.

Ultimately do whatever you want. What matters is you're comfortable because otherwise you're not gonna draw and drawing is the only way to learn how to draw.

>>7068407
Neat

Will bug spray (the kind you set off in a room for a few hours) ruin my drawing paper? My expensive watercolor paper and illustration boards are infested with these niggers so I'm thinking of putting them inside a garbage bag with a can of spray.

>>7069380
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0964830512002338

>>7068776
>>7068992
Yeah I can go for that then, 2B Soft.
But what else would I need? lead for refilling?

>>7023909
>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
koh i noor rapidograph pens loaded w ultradraw, staedtler eraser, gg1000 .3 (2B), uni shift .4 (HB), gg1000 .5 (3B), promecha 1000 .9 (HB), multi for color
>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
i’ve only recently started being neat and using a case, usually take either notebook + pen in pocket or my bag full of every supply imaginable
>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
yes, got the nice pencils to replace my more student grade stuff, but i’m also into novelty. i know rapidograph pens are more of a fussy novelty but it’s like they were made for me

>What art supplies do you have in your EDC?
koh i noor rapidograph pens loaded w ultradraw, staedtler eraser, gg1000 .3 (2B), uni shift .4 (HB), gg1000 .5 (3B), promecha 1000 .9 (HB), multi for color
>Do you store or transport your supplies in any special way or just throw it in your pocket and go?
i’ve only recently started being neat and using a case, usually take either notebook + pen in pocket or my bag full of every supply imaginable
>Do you consider durability and portability when getting new tools?
yes, got the nice pencils to replace my more student grade stuff, but i’m also into novelty. i know rapidograph pens are more of a fussy novelty but it’s like they were made for me

>>7069557
you can buy lead at any store selling school or office supplies, even bigger supermarkets, just get one pack and see from there, there’s no point planning it out, it’s a ubiquitous commodity, you can step out the house and have another in 5 minutes

>>7068992
I have some 4B in 0.7 size. It's not a well known brand but it's been good to me.

>>7067233
pic plus printer paper or cheap school notebooks
I don’t really “ink”, I just draw in ink directly for fun

>>7067202
Paper matters more than the pencils. The most expensive pencils will not lay more than two layers on cardstock, while kindergarten pencils will lay dozens of layers of beautiful uniform color on sandpaper.

Once you know that they're the second best medium after watercolor.

>>7069589
Sweet, so anything else other than lead, soft 2b mechs with white erasers? Would I need a pack?

I mean do you think i should stick to trad first then do digital?

>>7069698
trad is trad, digital is digital
if you want to do digital, just do digital, there’s no point having to relearn the tool, knowing how to use pencils or watercolor won’t make you better at digital

this arrived from japan today

> $3/marker and no customs fee

>>7069750
watch out, the ones on the right are accelerating into hyperspace

>>7069706
Okay well i can do digital then, but could do trad first for a bit.

Quick question: do artbooks work as good starting points to learn from, or should it work with that and with copying other's works?

>>7069823
ignore all other posters, what you want when starting is some newsprint pads and good colored pencils (sepia, dark indigo, van dyck brown have been animators favorites for years)

you can also try out charcoal which works well on newsprint too (2b and 6b, generals, wolff carbon and galart are good brands). now start figure drawing.

for perspective work use a pen and printer paper. also ignore digital its gay and causes eye strain

>>7069823
ignore all other posters, what you want when starting is some medium tooth cardstock, a #2 pencil, a #6 round synthetic brush and gouache - black, white and an earth color of your choosing
now start painting floating loomis heads
also ignore digital its gay and causes eye strain

>>7069698
>>7069823
>>7069832
At this point we should just ask anon what kind of art they wanted to make. It'd be easier to recommend art supplies if we knew what you were going for. Do you want to get into digital at some point? Are you interested in painting? Maybe comics or other pen & ink focused work? Details would be super useful.

>>7069861
he clearly said he wants to do digital and is doing trad for the meme
just do digital, dude
you don’t see people advocating buying drawing tablets to aspiring oil painters

>>7069865
There's no reason why he couldn't do both, and it's not like once you pick a medium you can't try others later or something, Also:
>he clearly said he wants to do digital and is doing trad for the meme
Pencils and paper are memes now? Lots of digital artists sketch an idea out traditionally and move over to the computer to finish. What kind of opinion is this?

>>7023956
i have the same pencil case and fountain pen as you :)) rarely use it though I prefer my pilot kakuno for my edc

>>7069976
>What kind of opinion is this?
The kind you just made up, retard. I said he’s doing it for the meme, not that trad is a meme. I’m I the thread, aren’t I?

>>7069848
>>7069861
Got it: what I'm going for is a planned idea of going for either digital or trad in drawing in general for comic/manga based sort of work, just for fun as a artist hobby goes . That and doodling/skethcing.

I think I got a sketchbook XL in my amazon cart

>>7069995
Comics/Manga should be easy. You'll want Pencils, Pens, and strong enough paper that'll hold up to large amounts of ink, and something over 60lbs at least. A good resource for this is Jetpens. They specialize in office stationary but they carry lots of options for artists as well. What would be most beneficial is their guides though. They do tests of their products and then do comparisons charts. Refer to these often, it should give you an idea on what to look for:
https://www.jetpens.com/blog/The-Beginner-s-Guide-to-Mechanical-Pencils/pt/957
https://www.jetpens.com/blog/The-Best-Fineliner-Pens/pt/423
https://www.jetpens.com/blog/The-Best-Erasers/pt/597
For paper recs Canson is good, but for pen & ink you should get their bristol board instead, not only is it thicker it's smoother too, this is important so that your pens don't catch on the paper and bleed, which is called feathering, you want to avoid this. Canson's mixed media or their drawing sketchbooks would also work if you to do color your works later on. Hopefully this should be enough to you get you started with art supplies.

>>7070063
Thanks! But if i don't like ink/messy shit I can just stick to Canson right? I don't wanna mess anything up since pens would ruin pretty much everyhting of my stuff. Also nah I would rather just do non-color work. I'll take this for comics/manga/doodling in general and for digital...well it's digital lmao

>>7070105
Yeah if it's for pencil the Canson sketch should be fine. Strathmore's another good brand if that's available too. Anything you can get for cheap is more than enough.

>>7068320
I'm a weeb. I want bright colors and shiny textures. Something like pic related. My first instinct was Prismacolors since that's what the local art stores sell but I hear they have really bad build quality? I don't mind spending money but I don't want to be constantly replacing pencils either.

>>7069676
Nice. I already really enjoy sketching on paper with a lot of tooth to it, everything just feels smoother.

>>7070188
nigga, those colors are muted as fuck and what the fuck does shiny texture even mean

>>7069750
In jewrope the customs fee would cost the same as the items+shipping+handling fees for applying said fees.

>>7069610
Haven't used that brand yet, saw some reviews online that said it was gray, I've used drawing and indian Talens ink, Lefranc Indian Ink, Speedball and a few others.

>>7070188
you want copics and ink.

>>7070204
they marked it as a gift for me so no customs. the japan forwarding services legitmately dont give af.

Also VAT is like 20% so i dont see how that's true.

>>7070214
I guess technically it is a gift, since you didn’t buy it from them

>>7070213
Really? A lot of the colored pencil stuff I have saved on my HDD looks really nice and I like the idea of being able to make these kinds of pieces without having to mess with expensive wet media.

>>7070220
itll take five times as long, layering colored pencil requires a lot of patience. youll need colored pencils anyway for highlights so feel free to invest in them but i find them tedious to work with

>>7070204
It's almost like we need to expel some people again.

>>7070188
Yeah paper with very fine but coarse tooth, like bristol vellum, is perfect for pencils only. Just be aware it'll eat up fineliner and marker nibs.

As for pencils, Prismacolor is in a though spot. They used to be great because Mexico is the soft spot of cheap manufacture with high quality contro, but they're owned by Newell who have been drastically downgrading the quality of their products to appease stockholders.

To learn the medium, you're better off with Chinese pencils. Look up Arteza, Brutfuner and Marco Raffine for the cheapest price available to you. They're roughly the same quality, and they're all better than student grade pencils from high end brands.

>>7069750

holy shit naisu. Where did you order from? I want some jap pencils i can’t get here but i’m also a western yuropoor.

>>7070214
VAT is just part of it, the high costs depend on the courier or post office handling fees. I only buy if I pay VAT upfront, don't want any surprises like that.

>>7070664
dejapan (proxy service) but in the future i might use biginjapan (forward only). I had to buy sets because proxies charge a per item fee.

you can ask around but those two both agreed that they could ship copics while many other companies consider them prohibited because of the alcohol content. also check out amazon jp if you just want pencils theyll ship a lot of art stuff international like holbein paints and you get returns and stuff

>>7070206
Nta, its not gray at all, the thing is pigmented as hell. But it needs to be stired before use, thats probably why people find it gray

>>7070206
what >>7071172 said, it needs stirring for thinner nibs
not the 65 because it lays down a shitton of ink, but thinner ones can come out gray
you can see it gets a bit thin on the top even in the pic in >>7069610 when sitting, but it's really good ink

>>7071172
>>7071744
I'll order a pot next time then, might as well since I've used almost all brands of ink by this point. The best I've used is the Holbein one but it's near impossible to order now where I live, it's insanely black, even, matte and very thin.

>>7071787
the sennelier one isn't matte, so don't get it if that's a deal breaker
being thin isn't a good thing either, thin ink runs off the nib fast, too thick and it stops and goes, or doesn't start at all on some nibs
that one has a really good consistency where it sticks to the nib but still flows without stopping
you kinda have to match nibs with inks imo

>>7071803
Different inks for different tools :) The Sennelier ink might useful for brushes or different tasks. Matte ink is definitely the best to fill black areas, it looks really good.

>>7071042

Thanks anon. I really want some mitsubishi hi-uni and mitsubishi kohitsu shosha pencils but i’m worried about customs and VAT raping me, guess I’m not gonna risk it.

I want to dilute some ink, but I'd rather not buy a gallon of distilled water.
I understand tap water can lead to bacteria and mold and such, but can't I just boil the water or something?

>>7074084
You can use tap water, just don't drop it in the original bottle and ruin the whole ink. You can just buy the distiled water and it will be there, I still have my gallon here.

>>7074106
It just feels autistic to buy water for a couple of ml, nobody ever told me not to use tap water for watercolor

two questions for you anons

>my EDC is a small sketchbook, pencil, eraser and 0.5 fineliner. It's distributed among my pockets, which isn't optimal when it's warm and I have no pockets. Minimal carry options?
>what is some minimal colouring options to supplement my loadout?

>>7075439
If you're fit wear a linen vest, you'll look stylish and get a sensibly sized inner pocket.

And maybe drop the fineliner and collapse the pencil and eraser into a single mechanical pencil. As for coloring a single colored ballpoint can add a lot of oomph to pencil sketches.

>>7035271
>>7035290

I need a heavy duty pencil sharpener for my classroom, preferably electric, any suggestions?

>>7075439
I would've suggested a tactical leg bag, but I don't know how you're feeling about wearing something like that. They're great.

>>7075462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9qiQ8nYLg

>>7075501
Looks cheap, you can see tons of scratches and sprue from the mold when she takes the lid off. Anything in the $100-200 range?

>>7075509
That's legit one of the best modern sharpeners. To get noticeably better build quality you gotta either go for luxury toys like the Caran d'Ache Sharpening Machine or go hunting for vintage like the Toshiba PS30 or Mitsubishi KE-10.

There's the Stanley/Bostitch EPS8HD that should be better but ultimately is the same Chinaware stuff with a fake made in USA sticker on top.

I have a vintage Boston-Electric M19 still in use because I bought the EPS8HD and it breaks colored leads, even hard ones like the Polychromos.

>>7075524
I was looking at those earlier so I can see you know your stuff. Thanks for the tip.

>>7075439
learn to greentext

>>7075593
>I was only pretending to be retarded

So, I wanted to start using fountain pens for inking, and I can't decide between the Noodler's Konrad or the TSWIBI ECO. They are in the same price range (30-40 euros). Can somebody share their expierence with them?

>>7076458
>fountain pen for inking
that's retarded

>>7076469
why?

>>7076612
for a variety of reasons, mainly ink

>>7076613
Could you elaborate?
As someone who uses fountain pen for writing the only big downside I can see immediately is that even the resilient fountain pen inks are really susceptible to lifting while dip pen inks can be safely erased.
The rest seems more the typical advantages of dip pens, rather than disadvantages of fountain pens, but it's not like other inking tools with the same disadvantages like felt tip pens or ballpoint pens would get classified as "retarded"

>>7076633
Not him, but inking with a ballpoint pen is 100% retarded.

>>7076458
between the two, the tswibi eco, choosing the right ink and paper is more important than the pen imo.

>>7076633
ballpoints literally stop working when used over graphite, not sure what you were going for there

>>7076613
Can't you just choose what ink you use?

>>7069577
ur bic multi pen has better colors than mine wtf

>>7059163
this https://a.co/d/hfMQkOP

if you buy it from this seller, they will ship you a bad quality holder with some thread hanging off. Inside the package theres a business card that says something like "disappointed? email us for a full refund". Do that and they will give you the money back through amazon and you just keep the holder :P

>>7076612
Loose graphite clogs nibs.
You could use non-photo blue, or 4H pencils, or thoroughly erase the sketch beforehand, or use a light table to trace into a clean sheet.
With that in mind you could get some neat effects with fancy inks.

retarded question, but I'm using an A3 block for a bunch of small pencil drawings, fully rendered and all, basically like a normal sketchbook
this was never a problem with smaller formats for me because my hand would barely touch the paper, but my hand is sweating and I'm worried about depositing skin oils or whatever on the blank paper, is it going to be an issue for the pencil when I reach the spots that were in contact with my hand?

>>7077395
The paper will buckle and peel like a blistering sun burn(if you sweat a lot). I always have an oil/sweat catching/smudge avoiding paper(folded a couple of times) under my hand, on top of the drawing surface when working on anything serious

>>7076882
they have a few different versions! that's the mini size l think with the fashion palette. my favorite is the sun edition because it has yellow, orange, magenta & purple

>>7075509
>>7075524
>sharpeners
ENTER

>>7077395
>>7077484
I have very non-greasy hands but my skin nonetheless smudges graphite just by being skin
I get around this by using one of the gloves digital artists use for their drawing hand. Leaves my thumb, first and middle finger free but prevents or at least vastly minimizes smudging
I must look real silly to people wearing a tablet glove drawing in an ordinary sketchbook with an ordinary pencil, but whatever lol

>>7034636
wood is renovable.
bury your pencils in your backyard to feed worms. you can't do that with Plastic , is a problem for centuries.

>>7077846
With these you just end up buying penny sharpeners every other month to cannibalize for new blades. If they can be replaced at all.

At least the grinders stay sharp for years and remain perfectly functional decades after they've lost their optimal sharpness.

>>7077395
I try to keep my hand away from the paper as much as possible, it causes a ton of problems that only get worse the longer you work.

I use a sheet of printer paper under my drawing hand and move it around. I feel like a glove would still smudge because it will be rubbing against the drawing. I reposition the sheet of paper once in a while, but don't slide it against the drawing.

>solve the most frustrating problem with inking.
>be forgotten.

>>7034636
Bringing my Faber-Castell pencils to my nose and inhaling the sharp scent of cedar wood brings me great joy.

>>7078945
explain

>>7079124
Cedar wood is one of the greatest scents in existence

anyone know anything about adding dishwasher fluid / dish washing detergent to indian ink to improve flow because something something surface tension?
apparently it was done industrially before regulations made it and and the strong antibacterial/fungal agents illegal or something
I tried googling, but as usual, all the results are either about fountain pens or hobbyist calligraphy, which has different concerns than drawing

>>7079468
It's windex/ammonia, old inker's trick.

>>7079475
I've heard Fairy. Is it just about the ammonia, then? I could buy ammonia at the pharmacy, would that be better, or is there something about the cleaning solution?

>>7079483
>>7079475
asking because I've specifically heard it's about surface tension, and all the solutions contain surfactants

>>7079189
The term ink blotter refers either to a handheld rocking device or simple blotting paper, both used to absorb excess ink when writing with fountain pens. Blotting paper is a textured, thick paper specifically made to quickly absorb excess ink. Before blotters were invented, the preferred method was sprinkling salt over fresh written text to speed the drying process.

>>7079483
Definitely ammonia, you can even smell it in American inks.

>>7079490
I know what blotting means, I'm asking about the frustrating inking problem this solves

I made a sketchbook

>>7079542
>those corners
how embarrassing

>>7079632
:(

>>7079542
>>7079641
I think it's cool anon, don't listen to naysayers.

>>7079656
it's real cool, daddy-o, that ain't no square

I baked a new thread
>>7079673

>>7024278
If you end up buying this use distilled water to dilute it. If you use tap water the ink starts forming lumps and it gets disgusting. I

>>7080477
Go to new early thread yoy muppet

>>7080479
no, it's gay and has a shitty op image

>>7068407
another fineliner rec from me is Rotring Tikky - hard to find outside of a multipack and they have a slight bleed to them but they were my go-to fineliner before I joined the Sakura train

>half pans of basically dirt color are 6-7 bucks
how the fuck do people afford this?

>soot and treesap? that'll be $6.83

>>7081415
>>7081416
Watercolor manufacturing is involved. Gouache is less, and as a result about half the price (compare W&N's watercolor & designer gouache). That's also why watercolor rewets much more easily than gouache.

>>7081440
(talking about EU prices btw;perhaps we even have factories in the country)

>>7081440
show me the manufacturing costs or stop parroting that marketing meme

>>7081489
Make a couple pills of your own, even the cheapest bone black will cost you roughly 9 in mats and much more in time which even at min wage adds up.

>>7082226
that's not how production at scale works, and the same material for gouache isn't going to be cheaper

>>7082226
Nigga, you can get ~100g of finest lampblack for $7

>>7081415
Check out Da Vinci. they have a 37ml tube of burnt sienna for 12$. I'd never buy sennelier for earth tones, much better for bright reds and violets in my opinion.

>>7082233
Art materials are not produced at the rates where EoS becomes a thing save for penclls and acrylic paint.
And ecoterrorists are trying to get us to produce less, not more, art materials. So it's gonna get worse.

>>7083034
Bro, no art supply manufacturer buys ounces of pigment for watercolor, they buy bulk and it goes in watercolor, oil, gouache, acrylic and everything else they make that uses pigment. Nobody orders a cup of lampblack to make a handful of watercolor pans to sell. Spreading cost over a large pool of products is by definition EoS.
They're not watercolor companies, the same material produces 10 different products.

>>7081440
Its not a quesiton of watercolor vs gouache. Its the fact that you are buying a half pan which is like 0.5mL of paint poured into a tiny plastic tray.

Buying individual pre-poured pans is one of the absolute stupidest things you can do. And for referene gouache is normally a dollar or two cheaper than watercolor because the paint spends less time getting milled. Larger particles are more opaque.

I'm so tired of this place. I'm out.

>>7083108
https://www.jacksonsart.com/winsor-newton-designer-gouache
https://www.jacksonsart.com/winsor-newton-professional-watercolour

Burnt umber, 14ml, 5.30 vs. 10.90.

Half pan are priced the same as small tube because they hold the same quantity of (dried) paint.

>>7081489
You really think in a free market that it'll hold for this long?

>>7083119
We don't live in a free market, anon, you said yourself regulations are choking the art supply production.

>>7083119
>You really think in a free market that it'll hold for this long?
look at cotman prices and tell me they aren't overpriced as hell while competing with objectively better, cheaper student paint and still selling more and rising in cost

how many graphgears do you guys own

>>7083469
0.3, 0.5, 0.9 GG500.
Three 207s too.
I want to get the 0.7 GG500 and 0.3, 0.5 and 0.9 P20Xs. So I can put Hs on the P20Xs and Bs on the GG500s.

Any rec on a calligraphy brush set?

>>7083614
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005610374378.html
some anon said these were good a while ago

>>7081416
are you gonna go mix your own fucking soot and tree sap?