/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7015673
What's the minimum time to draw gestures? 30s,1min,5 min? And on the same matter, Vilppu or Proko?

>>7015693
There's not really one. But I've found that 30 seconds is usually too short for me to get any meaningful gestures down, so I usually start with 1 min.

Is it possible to build drawing endurance?

I have seen people online say, that they draw like 5 hours a day. I realized I needed more practice time, so I decided to try regularly drawing 3 hours a day. It went well for two days, but on the third day, I was so mentally exhausted that I couldn't draw anymore.

Can I get more endurance by just slowly increasing my time spent drawing? Has anyone here managed to do that? Is it even feasible to draw 5 hours a day, or are people online just lying?

>>7015823
yeah, draw til you're mentally tired then stop for the day. make sure to get quality sleep too.
used to be able to only draw for 20 minutes at a time, now I can do a couple hours no problem.

>>7015823
Most definitely possible to draw 5+ hours a day. I spend 4 to 6 hours drawing per day on average. Today I went 9 hours roughly, I take breaks of course. Point is, don’t force yourself to draw long periods at a time; like you mentioned, slowly increase the amount of time. Otherwise you’ll get burnt out and never want to go near a pencil for days.

>>7016163
>>7016189
jesus I draw for way less than that. I draw like once a week for maybe 20-30 minutes if I don't like how the drawing is coming and a bit longer if I decide to finish it

How do you get good and improve at clothe wrinkles and folds like Yaegashi did? Pic rel, it's 2011->2018 roughly

>>7016243
If only my folds looked like his before phase...

>>7016245
Haha I too go into the bargaining phase when viewing other's before phase in before and after images somtimes.

>>7015673
How do I wrap my ahead around lines as a medium? I can do value drawings, which are basically just painting, because value is something I can actually observe. Where the hell do lines come from? I don't see lines, imagine lines, or have the slightest clue how to convert visual imagery into lines. The places I intuitively want to mark with lines are highlights and the parts of surfaces that are closest to the viewer/camera, which is completely wrong so far as I can tell.

>>7016254
>How do I wrap my ahead around lines as a medium? I can do value drawings, which are basically just painting
I have the same problem, the book by Harold Speed will give you insight on the difference between line and mass:
https://archive.org/details/practicescienceo00speerich/page/x/mode/2up

For a quick cue: Shapes, at their thinnest, become lines. Think about why hatching works the way it does.

>>7016262
Not him but this is gold

>>7015823
You have a to balance "mentally intense" drawing with low mental effort (doodling, patterns, details). Once you have made an inte>>7015823
You have a to balance "mentally intense" drawing with low mental effort (doodling, patterns, details). Once you have made an intense drawing you can "reward" yourself by doing what YOU wish to it, but the action you do should be in keeping with your preference only.nse drawing you can "reward" yourself by doing what YOU wish to it, but the action you do should be in keeping with your preference only.

>>7016250
I want to get back drawing this year, hope things click on my head

>>7016254
Lines denote overlap, use line weight to denote ambient occlusion to every corner, the darkest area of the shadow. Big difference. Equally important to denote softness with an absence of lines, pay attention to how lips are drawn in manga. In fact, just read a lot of different manga to get an idea. In the attached picture (not a great one), but notice how the line in the cleavage abruptly stops in the middle?

>>7015693
Anything under 30s is probably just goofing off, anything over 2 is probably getting too distracted by details.
But if you're not good at figures then turn the clock off and actually think things through.

>>7016262

Does anyone know the artist who did these concept art drawings for TF2?

>>7016616
https://half-life.fandom.com/wiki/Moby_Francke#Gallery_5

This guy is pretty great!

>>7016627
Thanks!

what are some good resources/books/videos/tutorials/exercises to help get better at lineart/inking digitally (especially for procreate). Exercises would be a big help.

Is https://www.nma.art worth subscribing to?

How do I get faster at drawing? I take forever

i drew pretty regularly (just mindless scribbling) up until 2017 so i'm not totally /beg/ (picrel is something from 2017), i know how to draw a cube and from the shoulder and etc., but anyway i've been drawing consistently this year (30 mins a day at minimum) but i'm still really stymied by gesture and the torso stretch squish in figures fucks me up -- is that normal for /beg/s after a few weeks?

do people learn how to draw characters in perspective by referencing perspective poses or do they just pick a random pose and try to draw it in a different perspective? like how would I go about drawing that intense perspective/dynamic stuff

>>7017619
Confidence and good sketching. When inking you shouldnt be making lotsa new decisions, instead you are supposed to muscle the picture from sketch to lines. If your sketch shows all the things you need to know (angle, size, distance, shape), you can simply focus on the lines coming nice and good.

>>7017610

They have a 300+ hour course on just 1 eternal /beg/ class. Seems like you'll be stuck there for years in grind hell.

>>7017907
https://www.nma.art/courses/beginners-guide-to-drawing-live-class/

90 hours

https://www.nma.art/courses/fundamentals-of-drawing-and-perspective/

25 hours

And https://www.nma.art/courses/drawing-foundation-ii/
https://www.nma.art/courses/drawing-foundation-i/

Another 26 hours on just pre-beg stuff alone

>>7015673
Photoshop question - what's the easiest/fastest way of deleting all the extra fluff outside of a clipping mask, so that when you release the mask, it doesn't keep the extra stuff outside of the bounds of the initial layer it was clipped to? (Or how to get it not to create that fluff outside of the base layer in the first place?)

>>7018689
i dont think you can, fucking photoshop is ass backwards sometimes

closest you can do is just making a seletion based on what the clipping mask is applying to, and then cutting that out from the clipping mask— results depend entirely on what the initial layer was

will i unintentionally pick up bad habits if i spend a lot of time looking at beginner art (aka lurking in /beg/)

Should I bother drawing in greyscale and adding color after or should I just start with color?

>>7019471
It's called the grisaille method and I think it's cringe, so just start with color. Can just skip a whole process that way.

What resource should I be looking at to study elaborate muscle groups?
I've done life drawing for a long while now, but I need some more understanding on what's beneath the skin (struggle with defining things). Is there a good book or something I could copy?

>>7016243
senran kagura doesn't make any sense, look at those shitty folds, really

What's the best way to study an artist I like?

would it be a bad idea to start a new social media persona dedicated solely to art endeavors?
currently I'm using my twitter/instagram that I've had for 15 years, but feel like I might be better off with something completely disassociated with my personal life.

Was /ic/ always a red board? I remember coming here 10 years ago I don’t remember seeing any of these smut filled threads that the place is overrun with now. Maybe my memory is just bad?

Why does concept art look the way it does? Is it a mistake to learn from concept artists if that's not how you want to paint?

How come some people are just unable to see their own mistakes and never improve?

when drawing objects from life near you, changing the dominant eye changes what is visible. this leads to distortions if you are copying shapes. I can think of ways to mitigate that, like closing one eye, or constructing the object in 3d space/draw through it. but just wondering if I am missing anything?

>>7019791
it always was red, but you are right, 10+ years ago it was much less.

>>7019890
>if that's not how you want to paint?
why would you learn from something you don't want to paint like? concept art isn't one thing though. popular concept art looks that way because of art incest. it looks different each decade. look at the 1970s or 80s concept art for example, totally different to today.

>>7019924
You could take a picture of it with your phone from the position you're planning on drawing from to keep yourself on track. Otherwise, you're going to move to eat, go poop, change positions, etc. It'll change just slightly everytime you do.

>>7017648
WAS IT TOO STUPID

>>7019971
the answer is all of the above. plus you should just learn perspective rules, and apply it to bodies(often simplified as cylinders and cubes). then exaggerate what you want.

>>7019912
not enough self hatred

>>7019933
Only because all of the digital painting courses in the /ic/ torrent are by concept artists.

>>7020178
If it's just digital painting courses, it's fine, most concept artists are illustrators and are flexible with style(part of the job description). They are likely teaching fundamentals and basics of painting that apply to anything.

>>7020284
Ok, thanks

I am literally so fucking annoying

BRO

JUST USE REFERENCE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I don't know what board to put this question in but it IS drawing related so for now, here. What type of dress is this? At first I assumed a Greek peplos but it doesn't quite match. I want to figure out how the waistband/zone area works.

>>7020693
Referencing is a tool.
Tracing is a tool.
Prompting is a tool.

>>7020746
Looks like the lighter weight one, the chiton. The kolpos pouch thing is evidently just made by having excess cloth and tucking it into the belt. Looks like she's got 2 belts there.

>>7020760
That appears to be it. Thank you.

Is it better to use high contrast or low contrast? Could too much contrast be uncomfortable for the eyes? Also, is it better to work with a full range of values or limit myself to 4 or 5 values? I know I should study the fundamentals, but I've focused on anatomy and perspective and don't know much about color (yet). Nonetheless, I want to paint my sketches, and I'd appreciate some clear tips or advice to ensure they look good at least

All I've heard is that you should use an even transition of values

>>7020862
https://archive.org/details/bookofcolorhisto0000parr/page/7/mode/1up
I shared this in the other thread for someone else, but this is free access and the book itself is at least interesting.

>>7020921
thank you!

why is drawing hair so difficult

>>7020931
Just draw everyone bald

roughly how accurate does a copy of something need to be? does a drawing need to be 1:1 accurate for me to get real value copying something, be it life, a photo, or another drawing?

>>7020938
lol I end up making my drawings too close to the reference and I hate. Feels like I may as well just traced the stupid thing if I copied it that closely

>>7020938
It's good to shoot for as close to 1:1 accuracy as you can get if you're training accuracy specifically, but if you're copying as a vehicle to understand something else it's not that big of a priority and trying too hard to be completely accurate might result in distracting you from your actual learning goal.

>>7020976
this actually helped me a lot thank you. i see now that what is important is that i capture what i mean to capture, and pinpoint accuracy isnt always the goal. i have been drawing for a while now but even simple concepts give my neurotic brain a ride.

explain soul to me

>>7021023
soul is human error that makes things interesting.

>>7021023
just look at this

>>7020957
stop bragging

>>7015673
Where is the smart questions thread, I have an intelligent question.
Should I make my own?

>>7021146
Yes. This thread is only for stupid questions.

Haven't touched art in a while, went to download clip studio again which I have a perpetual EX license with and realized there's the V2 thing (and apparently getting abandoned for V3?)
I do have the free upgrade code, should I use it or is V2 not a pure upgrade with some reason to stick with V1?

>>7015673
Is there any reason to get a specialty graphics card like a Quadro or AX000 series cards from an art program perspective?
I will occasionally see them on so-called creator or workstation computers.
I need to replace my laptop and I'd like to future proof.

>>7021247
Not anymore really. Specialty cards are just part of the GPU market grift, using fake and gay VRAM scarcity on consumer cards to sell their specialty cards at a hiked up price. Doesn't really work today when the consumer cards have 24gb. Theirs no point in paying 3x the price for only 2x the VRAM if you're just going to use art programs

When hatching should all the lines be the same length? I understand that they should spaced evenly but not sure when/if you are supposed to make them longer

How do I get better at being patient when drawing

I feel like this has been my absolute limiting factor, I'm just rushing through shit, making my work look worse, and never getting into flow

>>7019654
Craw an original work in the same style as the artist you like. Take notes on how it falls short of his style, go back to the beginning.

>>7021845
correction: *draw*

when did /int/ get added to the beginner thread?

>>7015673
my pirated copy of CSP is a very old one, and i'd like to upgrade. anyone have experience with it? will reinstalling the new copy over the old one get rid of my downloaded assets?

>>7021865
Downloaded assets should be stored in a separate folder entirely.

>>7021860
To show off.

How does one go about understanding the construction of something heavily stylized like picrel?

How do I deal with the fact that every piece I work on starts looking terrible to me after I work on it for a longer period of time?
I can only view it neutral again after days if that happens.

What kind of colors are used in pic related?

>>7022730
forgot to add pic

>>7021761
Breathe deeply. Listen to music that nurtures focus - preferably something that increases in intensity over time, and that is able to grab your mind's attention so that you can draw without thinking. Maybe practice some Yoga or meditation before sitting down to draw. Make every single mark with love and care. Focus on different regions of the drawing. When you are becoming bored, take a deep breath and move on to a different region. Then come back later. Take breaks every 45-60 minutes, but don't make them too long; 5 to 10 minutes tops.

The idea is to become hypnotized by your drawing. The "flow" state is best described as a sort of droning of the mind, where your internal dialogue turns off and you become engrossed in shapes and values, to the point where your eyes sometimes lose focus and your hands are kinda doing weird scribbles on their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dG4YON3kRg

>>7015673
can somebody post that
>before you draw this you must be able to draw this
pic

>>7022739
Enjoy

>>7022750
ty

are master studies the fastest way to improve? if not then what is?

>>7022779
whatever makes you draw more, though the objectively fastest way to improve is drawing in the context of a project, which incorporates all aspects of studying drawing

>>7021868
thanks anon. i'll give it a go soon.

How long should I sketch with own and ink?

Being a victim of two years of life-threatening machiavellian and covert narcissistic abuses has completely burnt my empathy and emotional sensitivity. I don't feel anything in art anymore.
Should I break hiatus and try to have fun drawing hopeful for a spark deep within me?

I don't understand how to draw the form and volume. I always end up drawing contour when i try to practice. Any way to improve?

>>7023743
nvm prompted the beasts directly idk what I am doing anymore
>>>/biz/57341765

(yes old art of mine is garbage idc)

Where should I go for gun pose references? Pinterest seem to censor those

do any of you guys always start with the head like some suggest when drawing characters? I find that I tend to struggle capturing superhero type strongman physiques when I do this so I usually start with the ribs but I'm not sure if that is prone to issue

>>7024217
I meant ribcage, really the whole upper torso

>>7024217
>>7024219
start with whatever gets you to where you want to go, schnuckems

I'm bad at posing, it's something that i have little practice, if i used someone's art for the way they pose their subjects is that bad? How do I go about it?

>>7024251
It's a good idea to analyse how people make poses look interesting, things like overlaps, how the weight is balanced and asymmetries in the limb positions, how it serves the composition and stuff.
Just copying a pose off of a drawing or pinterest on its own won't teach you a whole lot but if you have specific things in mind to pay attention to it'll translate into lessons you can use to come up with stuff on your own. It's good to think compositionally about it, even a white void pinup is a finished picture in its own right with purposeful cropping, shape contrast and things like that.

What pencil grades are the most useful in general?

>>7016254
Lines convey contours. Anything with a contour can be depicted with lines. anything without a hard contour visible from the viewing angle but still a volume distinct from the rest of the subject can be depicted through thin lines indicating the mass. Look at what modern mangaka choose to depict with what kind of lines from what angle. When talking about line, they should be the first you check

Is gesture drawing or studying one single body part a better use of my time as a complete beginner? I've heard a bunch of different things from different people and it's all a bit overwhelming

>>7025680
sry for autism but what is it in blue?

sorry didn't mean to quote ( but imo you sould do both at the same time, alternatively )

>>7025873
it's fake anatomy, . that's where the lumbar aponeurosis is supposed to be

>>7025873
I think what they were going for was an exaggeration of this part of the latissimus dorsi.

Sketching this thing took me 20 minutes. I'm slow, i want to be faster. Wich aspect of drawing do i need to sharp to get the speed going? What exercises can i do that tackle this head on. Speed will help to fail faster.

so the pelvis and ribs would be here?

Question /ic/ bros: I've been out of /ic/ for a while, and now I can't upload files from private tabs in my browser, I don't remember that limitation before. It this something new?

>>7026750

>>7025891
thanks

>>7026757
yes. no clue why this is a thing now.

can yall reccomend me artists that draw like this, the guy who posted this one draws standard anime 99% of the time

Is it possible to learn anatomy by drawing with a mouse?

>>7026859
Reminds me of John Kricfalusi art style. Maybe you could use that to search for more artists in that style. It definitely is a western style for sure. Classic old style cartoon from the 60s-70s with a 90s style face. Someone like Gurcan Gursel maybe?

>>7026863
Mouse anatomy, maybe.

i used to be here everyday. when i was at work i was not paying attention and i was scribbling sketches in a legal pad, when i got home i would draw for hours. when the pandemic came they sent us home and then i skipped the sketches and was just drawing and painting all day long. from 2018 until AI art generators i was a drawing machine. nothing better than drawing along to a KJG stream. and i was frustrated sometimes by my skill level but i thought at least i had good ideas in my head. fright about the time kjg dropped dead from the clot shot, i switched to ai generated art. not prompting by text alone but training stable diffusion on my drawings paintings and 3d modes to have it basically clean up the presentation of my art.

in the end what ive found is that there is now zero interest in my art. before i had maybe 10 likes here and there on instagram, now its 1 or 0 even though im posting way higher quality images way more often. i tried posting on reddit and that was a mistake. i dont understand reddit. everything is offensive, everything is banned, anything i say negative gets me censored but anything i post gets nothing but angry hateful unconstructive insults. no one uses pixiv or deviant art except for furfags so theres no interest there at all.

in part i feel satisfied that i made so much art that i like. its better than i could have done by hand and there is way more of it than i could have made. but i guess im disappointed that people dont give a fucking shit. no one is insulting my skill level, they just dont like my ideas. theres no excuse to hide behind. ive shown the world what i can do, i have the power to present my vision, and the world rejected it.

>>7015673
I am currently trying to get into perspective drawing. What's the field of view for a normal human? I don't mean the general field of view which is like 180 degrees but more where the image is not that badly distorted.

>>7027320
eh, human fov probably isn't what you care about, if they're locked in place, we get big quality dropoffs at like 1 degree and again at 20, but eyeballs are balls so they don't get perspective distortion.
anyway, robertson says 60 degrees, and 50 degrees for 1 point scenes.

>>7027320
Gets a bit complicated but just use 60 degrees for 2-point or 3-point.
https://youtu.be/YDanHdjPJVs?t=1682

Does anyone have any tips on how to manually remove hand-painted chromatic aberration from a flattened 2D painting? I swear to god some people need to get shot in their balls for misusing photo effects for anime smut.

What would be the essential tools/buttons you would want to keybind for a remote/macro pad or whatever?
Same thing for the pen. One of the buttons I guess would be the color picker on the pen but not sure on the other one.

>>7027117
pyw

>>7027117
>antivax chud
>uses ai
>i have the power to present my vision, and the world rejected it.
nice going world

>>7026791
very helpful, thanks anon!

>>7026863
Perfectly achievable, even with cheap mouses and improvised pads. Through deconstruction of anatomy into basic geometric shapes to train your muscle memory and cross-referencing from either photographs, digital media or poseable mannequins I'd say it is perfectly achievable with semiregular exercises. (twice / thrice a week)

From personal experience? Give or take four months and results should become noticeable.

And as for an extra tip, planting the lower base of your palm on the pad firmly and using gentle jabs of your thumb by pivoting it on the articulation point down the middle it makes your lines much easier to control, regardless of if they are straight lines, sweeping curves, polygons, etc.

Oh and keep your pad clean. That helps a lot too.

Besides drawing furry shit, porn and trending stuff, is there any other topic that has a high demand for artists?

>>7028645
mlp, mecha girls, nier

>>7027845
my setup from top to bottom is color picker, lasso/select tool, undo, redo, pen, brush, zoom in, zoom out. For my pen, top is eraser, bottom is the hand tool to move around the canvas. Although depending on what I'm working on, I might switch pen and brush buttons for other tools.

>>7025579
this depends a lot on personal style although I think 2B has been the most useful for me.

I have clinically diagnosed ADHD. Got wires hooked to my brain at a doctor's office, got a diagnosis, got medication that made me so focused on cleaning I forgot to go to drink water or go to work that day and now I just go zero meds. I preface this because I know there's a nigger named Howie's who made a whole lot of complaining threads about never improving and how his brain's making it hard, and it does. It really fucking does, reading the books or stickies I need to read is as much of a fucking struggle as school was for me.

BUT

I am trying techniques to work around my distractions, such as making sure I've cleaned my condo, sorted out other concerns so I have nothing to pull me away from art practice. I've been reading the books aloud and using a highlighter to help focus on the important parts of any books I'm reading, and watching videos online like Proko's beginner where I can to hold my attention better than books and clunkily laid-out stickies. It's helped me start working through Keys to Drawing and helped unpack a lot of self-defeatist mental states I fall into, not just with drawing but a lot of what I do. I WANT to improve, I DON'T want to be an annoying /permabeg/ I have established goals.

Having prepped all that I need a reality check on my skills and work ethic. My goal is to make a 108 Chapter Fanfic of a show on /co/, integrating elements of a religious pilgrimage I undertook into each chapter. I want to animate it, in a sort of visual novel style with still images and profiles next to dialog placed over the top, with proper animations for important fight scenes, promotional animatics involving songs I like, maybe voiced with AI since I can't pay people for a non-parody themed fan project like this anyway, and also lol I don't got the funds for it anyway. The thing is, my autism wants it to be ready, by April 8th, 2026. Pokemon parallels, long story.

Is that possible? Pre-beg ADHD to animating VNs and shit in two years? What's my roadmap?

>>7029042
Things are hard but as long as you acknowledge and work on either improving your ability to focus or work around it by removing distractions. You may not be able to control every impulse you have but you can control the environment and work on your own self control. It might be an uphill battle but you can definitely do it. The problem with roadmaps is everyone is different and has some adhd in their own way so even if someone made a roadmap for you, more than likely you'll hit a roadbump that they wouldn't.

Just try to create an environment where your brain and body want to draw or improve, when you find yourself being distracted, don't feel bad or like it's hopeless just try to note what took you off track from your goal and what steps could you take so that it doesn't happen next time.

I know that it's often said that people would rather work with someone who's enjoyable and friendly but not the best skill-wise over someone who's more skilled but insufferable, but can you be so good that people would still happily work with you even if you're not a very good person?
I don't really have a personality so I'm banking on becoming good enough that people can ignore that shortcoming. I'm not even just talking about a professional career, just people liking what I make is more than enough, when it comes to that.

>>7029093
It's possible, the main hosts from a myth busting show aren't even that close of friends If I recall correctly.

>>7029093
I think there's a difference between having an insufferable personality and thinking that you don't really have a personality. The latter just means you're boring, not abrasive, and if your art is good people would just think you're turbo dedicated to your art which explains it in their minds

I haven't been passionate about anything in my life. Can i force myself to feel passion about art?
Genuinely living like its death row rn. I need something to change.

>>7029625
Nothing taught by force remains in the soul, don't force yourself, explore and see what clicks.

How true is this? I'm worried because I'm an extremely nice and morally upright person, sometimes others take advantage of my kindness.

>>7029625
I partially agree with >>7029684 but I think if you really want to draw, just draw. That itch won't go away with time, I speak from experience. It sucks being surrounded by people with true passion for art, who you know will go places while you know you won't, but I don't care anymore. I don't even desire to be good these days, I just really really want to draw. Suppressing that desire will just make it worse.

>>7029686
I'm so fucked you can't even imagine i hope that this post is accurate.
>>7029690
I don't know if what i have is an itch. Its just that no matter how many times i quit i end up wanting to go back even though i lack the discipline to do even an hour of work a day. I think the itch is to be productive not specifically to draw but also idk i gym thrice a week and that doesn't feel like anything.

>>7029695
I think I'd categorize that as an itch. Even if you ignore it you just want to try again. Several artists I've met have told me that art's not for me and that I'm better off just trying things to see what I really like but whenever I do those other things I just think about drawing the whole time. I don't have passion for drawing like real artists do, but damn I NEED to draw. I think I can call that an itch. You see what I mean?

>>7029042
I recommend getting a good grasp of perspective and forms after getting comfortable with observational drawing if your goal is to animate and draw from imagination, however, there isn't an objective "roadmap" anyone can give to you. Working towards a goal is like assembling a swiss watch without a manual, you will be fumbling around to find the right parts in order and revisiting different sections to figure out how to make them work in conjunction with each other. Other people can give you pathways and resources but think of them as manuals for a similiar but different model of watch.

You should work on your project along the way so you can identify what you parts you need and how to put it together, otherwise you will lose sight of your goals and get stuck in the eternal grind with no purpose.

>>7029686
I think the best art usually comes from obsessive people, passionate people, relatively innately intelligent people, and emotionally sensitive (really think about what this means) people. These types can often have a lot of flaws, sure, but I don’t think there is as much causation in that regard as much as correlation. The best art an artist will create will often occur during emotional peaks or valleys. Flatlined, dull minds usually do not create great art. For what it’s worth, my definition of great art does not include anime coom slop.

for some reason the color I choose in photoshop shows up backwards, anyone know how to fix?

>>7029852
Click the black swatch, that's the primary color. You've accidentally selected the secondary one.

Pls rec me some artists you know that tend to draw extreme foreshortening (like picrel), i need more input. Pinterest has some but i cant trace back to their OG account for some weird ass reason.
thx anons

>>7024034
Update: searching for only "gun" or "firearms" seems to work better but it's still limited since I can't get other recommended images

What would be decent software to start out with? I can't afford PS, and I don't want to do just anime art/cartoony/lineart. What would be decent enough that would be eventually transferrable to something more expensive like PS.
I do have a cheap tablet as well, and running on windows.

>>7030106
a pirated 50 mb copy of PS CS3 portable

>>7030106
They are all pretty similar so it doesn't really matter which one you start out with.
Photoshop isn't that complicated if you just ignore/hide the stuff you don't need. Everyone just pirates it. The genp reddit has a guide if you don't know how.
Adobe Fresco is free and is pretty much Photoshop without the photo-editing features plus some helpful tools for drawing/painting. Transitioning to Photoshop would be pretty seamless.
SAI2 is very lightweight and doesn't have any unnecessary features. Nice and simple. Paid but cheap/easy to pirate.
Krita is free and open source. After nearly two decades, it is actually quite good now.
Clip Studio Paint excels for comics and illustration but does things a bit differently to Photoshop so it would be a bit annoying if you do end up switching.

What’s the significance of the beans in this picture/kit?

>>7031207
Artists drop beans instead of spaghetti.

>>7017026
Have you already seen Peter Han's videos?

>>7030120
>>7031011
Thanks for the reply, will try krita sai and ps and just roll with one of those.

>>7031207
Same as the stick with flowers or the rings, makes the picture nicer

>>7015673
Keys of Drawing and Art and Science of Drawing. Pick up one or both? What are the differences between them?

>>7029864
God, I feel so dumb, thanks

>>7031207
He is just taking the art bean pill. You haven't been art bean pilled anon?
The real question is what is that red crocheted demon chicken things.

>>7031207
torso references

So where do you even begin with painting, like techniques, how to hold a brush, how to use a brush, how to prepare canvas, how to approach, etc?
i mean the very very basics, as someone who h as no idea on how to approach it.

>>7031624
Try the book Alla prima: everything I know about painting

>>7031626
Thanks a lot anon, had no idea this book even existed.

>>7031638
It may help to watch a quick YouTube video of the most basics actually, bob Ross even.

>>7031207
>doesn't know about the beans
NGMI

Is it really all about the numbers at the end? I mean, I'm trying to figure out how to make it in this field as a wannabe artist yet it seems that what matters is the exposure you have on social media; the more fame you get the better because the potential to find clients increases? Is there any other way around to this to make it in this field or is it just all about posting and posting online?

>>7031654
will do, if you know any other youtubers i'll check em out.

>>7031695
Generic drawings? Probably just numbers yea... I guess if you decide to hyper specialize, but even then you have to get your name out somehow, even if you really just want to paint fresco on cathedrals. Probably more about getting your name and numbers up in the genre you want to partake in.

I don't know where to study anatomy. Can someone help? If there was a webpage with diagrams it would be nice but anything with pictures helps.

>>7015823
If you like doing other things like playing games or using 4chan you may want to ban yourself from them.
If you keep drawing and Improving you'll like it more and more and want to spend more time doing it. I don't play a lot of games, I only watch seasonal anime which doesn't take much of time and ban myself from posting on 4chan and other social media until I after I draw, doesn't matter what I draw, if I start drawing I usually want to keep drawing and the urge to doomscroll and play games dissappears.
The people who you see draw for 3 hours have it as a lifestyle, this is like comparing yourself to bodybuilders when you want to lose weight

>>7031247
>>7031437
>>7031584
>>7031674

>>7015823
I felt exactly the same way when I started out. I can only do 1 maybe 2 hours if I pushed myself. Last Thursday I spent 8 hours drawing and painting since I got a day off. It felt incredible and I went to sleep raring to go the next morning. I'm still very much beg but that endurance will come if you keep at it, don't worry.

Just remember too that it doesn't have to be 3+ hours in one sitting. Sometimes I just do like a dozen 15-30 min sessions spread out through any downtime I had that day

>>7031417
No, which video are you referring too?

How do I avoid feeling overwhelmed when having to draw something? Like, I sometimes am drawing and when I realize, i have to draw a lot of stuff thats complicated and feel overwhelmed.

>>7032293
thumbnail, sketch single elements, when this feeling goes away you start the drawing
you can't draw well with that mood so just take care of the mood first, its normal btwdesu

>>7032293
Maybe try working on a few pieces at the same time so you can let one rest and chip away at another. If you are in a high energy state, it may be hard to relax and focus on fine details. During such times, I like to focus on free-flowing figurative sketches and such that I will refine in the future.

>>7032296
>>7032303
Thanks for the help anons. I'll try everything you said.

>>7032293
Do a few isolated studies of the complicated parts before trying to draw everything together. It'll feel less overwhelming if you familiarize yourself with the daunting parts and build confidence in drawing them.

any good tips on how to draw the shoulders? or more specifically how the arms connect to the torso? seems i can't wrap my head around that at all.

Ok this is a really stupid question here but
Am I supposed to copy every single Loomis diagram? And Hampton's (even his gesture drawings)?

How do you stop taking art critiques as a personal attack? Whenever I get critiqued I just end up feeling like shit and not want to draw anymore

I know this might seem retarded , but i wanted to follow the beg guide but i got confused do i start with key to drawing first then move to the hampton and shit

>>7032600
you just try it

How do fashion designers come up or make their designs?

A lot of time the patterns just seem random or nonsensical to me, is there actually an intelligent design to them other than looking good? Or do they just choose a random piece of cloth that happens to look right?

I'm talking less about silhouettes here and more the actual pattern and design of the cloth itself.

>>7015673
When should I be making pieces and when do I study? I feel like I'm in study hell because I want to make good pieces I can be proud of, but I'm nowhere near where I want to be, skill-wise. It doesn't help that artists around me are really talented, so it feels dumb to show anything because it's clearly not good. I'm scared that I'm not good enough to make anything.

>>7016353
see, even the masters had fucked up anatomy when they were doing sketches....

What makes for good study material?

>>7032934
You need to know how you want something to look at the end, choose fabrics with the texture, drape (way it hangs), and weight for each article. Depending on how they design or sew, they might drape everything on a mannequin and do all of the shaping along the way there, then sew according to that. You can also design sewing pattern mockups that use measurements, darts (folded seams for making something fit around curves or just to look neat), pleating/folds, and other things to convey the design.

>>7015693
I've read about snapshot gesture studies done while people watching in public places.

Any videos, courses or books i can find on decorative art, patterns, etc.

Am I not allowed to use a downloaded brush on a regular CSP version if it's not EX/PRO? If so is there any way to circumvent this?
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=2029266
This is the brush I'm trying to use, I downloaded but it doesn't let me drag it to the pen sub tool panel.

What do you do for as second job? Im thinking of becoming a boxer now

>>7034698
Isn't that going to fuck up your hands?

>>7034756
Oh yes

>>7034497
You can try going into pencil, clicking add subtool, and choose from the list.

>>7034756
Just dont get hit

What's the difference? Just move the pencil down?

>>7035922
It really depends on what kind of lines you are trying to make.

How do I avoid burn out from reading 1000+ pages of book just to draw properly?

Am I cheating by always touching the tablet?
I feel like I'm always laying at least one finger on it for guidance, but you can't do that with paper since it's more coarse right?

>>7036052
r-reading? what book did you read? and can't you answer your own question? have a think.

>>7036071
yes. don't do that or the art police will find you.

>>7036145
>yes. don't do that or the art police will find you.
I mean is it a crutch that's going to bite me in the ass?

>>7036146
you can do it with paper too. I often put paper under my hand, on top to the picture I work on, to prevent smudging/skin oil etc.

>>7036152
Ah, good idea

>>7019791
An influx of kikes and their pets, kind of like the way /pol/ has gone to shit.

>>7019791
K*kes and their pets, much the same way pol has gone to shit.

>>7036162
>>7036168
very organic post

anybody know a good dedicated forum for industry stuff? I've seen one linked here a month ago but forgor the name

>>7036356
polycount? kinda dead tho

>>7036358
lightning fast, yeah it was that one, thankyou

>>7035922
right grip is softer and allows for more relaxed lines, which you want to do most of the time
i usually grip the pencil like left pic when i'm doing short hatching strokes or small precise details

>>7032524
as long as you keep in focus it's a good exercise, the "Copy everything" is a meme thougie

>>7032934
hours of research and thinking, massive moodboards and tons of sketches, i know a girl who studies in that field and she takes days focused on perfecting a single design. Try it as a fun project

How much precision am I supposed to strive for when doing studies? A lot of artists like I've seen like krenz stress the importance of being as precise as i can with my studies but also i've seen actual professional artists post studies and their stuff is very loose.

so what should i strive for when studying?

>>7025887
What book is this?

>>7036419
peck

>>7031547
If you only study one art book ever, it should probably be keys. It gives you the intro level info on most all parts of drawing, and is especially good on the mental aspects.
A&S is extremely focused on how to draw simple three dimensional solids and build things out of them, which keys also covers, but not with anywhere near the autism. Probably just go to eviston if you can't get a good sense of volume in your drawings.

I don't get the emphasis on C S I. Isn't every single line you can possible make just a combination C S or I other than a circle?

>>7035922
Not him, but this also works on digital?

>>7033621
Sounds interesting, is piss easy to find people out here for drawing gesture on the wild
Countryside towns has their advantages

>>7015673
anyone have the image of the skill level chart that explains the differences between each level? iirc, it had pre-beg to pro on it

How do you even get good while also working more than 50 hours a week? Not to mention I have other hobbies as well (I don't even play vidya or watch anime that much these days but I still find myself running low on free time).

>>7030064
seconding this

How can i protect my paypal account. is there a site that works as an intermediary? i draw smut for money and recently some guy has managed to got two twitter accounts of mine suspended. i dont care about those. but if in some way it gets my paypal info i will not have a lot to defend myself against a claim of violation of paypal terms.
i have heard of Ko fi. but i dont know if i can use it as i draw nsfw.

>>7015673
Any good resources for clothing references / fashion designs? Not talking about fabric folds, but actual outfits.
I want to design more fantasy/medieval style outfits but everything I find online for women is either slutty or a super ornate dress. I want some more casual stuff like you'd find in Elder Scrolls for example

>>7036679
for me it’s V

>>7037130
kofi doesn't actually process any of your money so clients are still paying you directly through paypal and can see all your info. they can also ban you for nsfw content off-site. not too sure about alternatives but deviantart's built in commission system may be worth looking into as they seem to hold your money for you until you withdraw it but I've never personally used it

>>7020748
Pre-beg take. Only one (and a half) of them is a learning tool

I apologize if this is not the right place for this question, but in your opinion, which of these hairstyles would look best for a female demon inspired by the sin of gluttony? I didn't take into account the fact that she is fat, so I'm not sure if these hairstyles look good on a round face.

>>7037926
If she's fat, 4th or 5th.

>>7037926
put the icecream cones on her tits.

>>7037933
Thanks, I think I'll go with the 4th one. On the other hand, I could try to mix both designs into one.
>>7037936
Really interesting... I'll keep that idea in mind. Thanks, anon.

never touched color in my life, just draw. how do you paint dark/light sources related to the color underneath? a wing it by eyeball? i feel like there is an actual method i just dont know. this feels like an actual retard question.

Is there rigging animation resource i can grind.especially flash,

>>7037541
You could go through sewing patterns, find parts of each pattern you like. What level of medieval accuracy are you wanting, and for what region/culture?

What's the best way to do color studies? I feel like I have a very basic grasp on appealing color theory but fail to apply it to any of my art.

>>7038265
It depends mostly on the environment. You should take into account 1) the nearest object and its color and 2) the values of the shadows. See how in picrel, the shadows on the right are slightly bluer, because of the light reflected off of the floor into the ball's shadow. However, the colors for the blue shadows match the same values as the shadows on the right, so they're not TOO blue.

How to cast environment color light on skin? Do I slap a color on top of the character and use blend mode in photoshop?

>>7042557
Saved this but too retard to understand

>>7042557
blend mode or not works, it's just basic painting

>>7015673
Why do I fantasize about drawing all day, but when I ger home and have time to draw, I can't even bring myself to sketch anything?

>>7019791
It should be a red board for anatomy purposes, but yeah there's a bit too much smut sometimes. But this is 4chan after all.

>>7025887
>lumbar aponeurosis
Am I actually going to have to learn this shit

What would be better for someone to learn; have a day to focus on one thing like heads or spend some time on multiple things a day like a little bit of perspective practice, a little bit of hand stuff, etc? feels like if I do the first thing, i'd lost w/e gains I have by not practicing other things, but if I do the second thing, I wouldn't be giving the proper time each fundie/subject needs.

do you guys draw the props when ur figure drawing? like a chair the model is sitting on

I broke my Wacom 24 Pro, should I get the new Pro 22? I like the 120 Hz but you lose 2 inches of active area

>>7043199
Study multiple things per day but allocate more time to subjects you are struggling with. Like 2 hours of figure drawing, 30 min of perspective, 30 min of value studies, etc.

Any resources on how to animate jiggles? like, micro ones that aren't crazy bouncy stuff.

>>7016254
Read Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters by Robert Beverly Hale

Any tips for drawing the shoulder and armpit area?

is it normal for your art to look like shit when you don't use reference? whenever I don't use one or try to deviate from the ref too much it looks super /beg/

>>7046250
Yes
Using a ref can enable even a beginner to draw decent stuff while not having one can make even an intermediate artist fuck everything up

Do you think guys would draw with their dicks if they had prehensile penises?

>>7046305
This is the "stupid question" thread, not the "erudite inquiry" thread

>>7022731
Watercolor or gouache maybe with some color pencils on top

>>7030064
Your best bet is to search on twitter animators they often post sketches like this

Do any of you and in which way incorporate AI in your artistic endeavours?

Feel free to ignore this post.

Feeling incredibly down, haven't drawn in months and i'm having a lot of trouble getting back into it. Still a massive /beg/ and can't draw anything i'd like to either way.
I should do fundies and shit so that i can draw what i want for fun but i can't get motivated enough for that.
Man i wish i wasn't literally retarded.

Can someone break down in detail what's going on in each step here?

>>7015673
I have a favorite artist I've been heavily referencing for pieces and studies, but whenever I try to do things on my own, I start crumbling. I thought I was taking the details and information in, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I want to be an artist who can draw anything on his own, not a copy machine, but every time I go it without the artist as reference everything starts to fall apart.

1. Am I hurting myself by being so reliant on an established artist's work as reference?
2. Do copy studies help with learning anatomy at all?
3. Is it better to learn anatomy by copying from an official drawing book?
4. If yes, why? What is the difference between copying from a drawing book versus copying from an artist whose style you want to imitate?

>>7015673
Can anyone recommend good books to learn how to draw hands?

>>7047231
line art (obvious)
default colors (or your local colors, choose wisely)
ambient occlusion
key lighting, the direction of a major light source
key colors, it seems like they're just adding the coolness and the warmth
now they're adding ambient occlusion, subsurface scattering, and rim lighting
now they're combining all layers
and detail/cleanup

how did he color and shade the hair like this? did he use an airbrush or something?

How do I study anatomy? I'm just kind of copying the books and following videos at the moment, so I'd like to hear advice/thoughts from people who have a firmer grasp on the subject

>>7047787
You understand the anatomical forms when you can accurately draw them at any angle from memory. Work towards this. Then study how they stretch and compress in dynamic poses.

>>7047879
Appreciate it!

not much of a question but more of a revalation how stupid i am. liek to FUCKING DRAW CHARACTERS IN PERSPECTIVE I JUST NEED TO USE A PERSPECTIVE POSE AS A REFERENCE LIKE FUCK I'VE DRAWN ALL THESE CUBES SO I CAN ANGLE EM OR FUCKING STACK EM NO SHIT I CAN'T DRAW FIGURES IN PERSPECTIVE YET CUZ I'M NOT FUCKING DRAWING FIGURES IN PERSPECTIVE OR USING REFS OF POSES THAT PEOPLE ALREADY FIGURED OUT FOR ME FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKCUFCK

Are those 3D pens a good way to cheat at drawing 3D objects

Which version of photoshop should I pirate?

>Draw with stabilizer
>Decrease it's parameters once per week until it full 0
>Have smoother lines after such training
Will it work?

What is the best art program on Linux?

How can i stop construct like autist

>>7049525
No. You'd want the opposite, a force that makes your lines even worse that you fight against, and then when you take that force away you are real smooth. weighted clothing analogy. One way to do it is to use very thin brushes and large canvases that show your wobbly lines with 0 stabilizer more. and remove your ctrl-z keys. work on drawing lines faster. then when you return to larger brushes you will be smoother.
drawing in real life has stabilizer from paper friction, no shame in having some in digital, depends on the style you are after.

>>7050031
Krita

how do i learn to draw without relying fully on ref? i used to doodle freely but now even that seems insurmountable without some kind of reference

>>7050527
>how do i learn to draw without relying fully on ref?
use reference material more sparingly (only looking at it after you've drawn all you can without ref) and you'll be forced to remember the critical parts before returning to your work. Drawing from imagination comes with experience, once you draw something enough times you'll know what looks correct/incorrect and how to fix it
>i used to doodle freely but now even that seems insurmountable without some kind of reference
you probably got better at recognizing mistakes and lost confidence in your own work, I don't really have a good solution for that other than suck it up and draw

>>7050592
>suck it up and draw
ah my fucking life story
thanks tho, i'll apply the advice and see how it goes

>>7050609
I mean, there are a few things you can do like drawing something easier (basically anything not human) to begin with and warm up sketches to build up confidence but it all wraps back around to sitting down and drawing so you have to bite the bullet somewhere

What would be best pressure settings for someone who can't control line weight well?

>>7047684
It's just two tone hair with a 3rd color stroke in the middle

>>7051356
the one you want to draw with

>>7051365
My current is very similar to Smooth In, but I experience wild variation in thickness when doing precise stuff like linework.
I was wondering if I should just make it go to max output early so I would be left with tapering end and beginning of stroke.

>>7051377
no idea, you started talking greek

>>7051381
I can't control my lineweight for shit, I got a heavy, unstable hand, wat do.

>>7051399
were you born knowing how to run?

so 0 opacity for big shapes. what do you use an opacity brush for exactly? light or details? it always looks muddy for me

>>7051399
Just set the parameters to vary only between a few pixels

>>7051356
Move the curve to 30 - 40% press 50% out

>Decide to mingle on other generals instead of lurking
>Visit the OC general and see someone's OC with period blood oozing down between her legs
>See another poster comment about how yummy "menstrual boogies" are
>In another forked OC general thread bear witness to a beglet's OC be besmirched with a picture of a penis with worms wriggling inside the foreskin
>The beg generals have at least two or three dedicated schizos posting schizo babbles
>/lsg/ is the board's hugbox general with nothing but yes men
>/fag/ seems comfy with people actually drawing but only furries are allowed to be posted
>The shota general is a fork from /lsg/ and from the cute boy study general
>Cute boy study general spergs at the sight of an hourglass shape
>Lewd/porn generals are a containment thread for a perfectly good reason
I want to make a Yuri general. How would you feel if there was a yuri general draw thread?

>>7051674
You can calculate precisely how that will go. God speed, either way. It's not like it could be any worse than the rest of the sarcophagus of fucking curses that we've been subjected to the past few days.

>>7051674
I like the idea, but it will be raided constantly.

>>7051684
It won't be a raid, per se. It'll be retards that dump anything with two women, most of it probably the extreme ends of lewd.

WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED TO PRESS THAT I'M NOT A BOT 3 TIMES AND WAIT A MINUTE TO FUCKING POST NOW. EVERY YEAR THIS SHITHOLE GETS WORSE

>>7015673
How the FUCK do you draw faster? I'm already simplifying my art style but my autism and pride still make me get stuck perfecting tiny pixels nobody will ever see when I'm drawing lineart.
I guess the actual question is how the FUCK do you tame your ego so you can focus on efficiency rather than perfectionism? I lose so much time on correcting tiny bullshit it's ridiculous.

Anyone know the name of that forum that grouped together to purchase courses and then shared it amongst themselves?

Been trying to get ahold of Underpaint Academy stuff, but can't find it anywhere. Wanted to see if that forum had any posts about any of those courses.

>>7016243
Don't mean to be a dick, but I think the after (bottom one) is worse. Just an overcomplicated mess of shapes, when you get better at something in design you should be able to make the shapes simpler and more attractive while still conveying the same idea.

When it comes to studying folds, keep it simple. Learn each different type of fold, how they are different from each other, and under what circumstance that type of fold is created. Focus on the form and good design of the folds, don't get lost in over-detailing. There's a good short+simple video on the basics of each fold type on Marco Bucci's youtube. Start there, and then just do studies from pinterest pics.

>>7016254
Check out framed drawing techniques from Macro Mateu-Mestre. All of his books are worth looking at desu.

>>7051684
>>7051681
>>7052045

Are you actively thinking when you draw? Or is it just subconscious when you enter a flow state or whatever they call it

>>7051674
>/fag/ seems comfy with people actually drawing but only furries are allowed to be posted
somehow the one I expected to be the most autistic is the least

>>7052047
>>7051674
>it's been a day
>the OP has posted zero /u/ of his own creation
So it's just a request thread? Why do nodraws keep trying to make generals?

>>7051615
Is it okay to set minimum output to something like 50%? Otherwise the curve gets extreme.

>>7051637
I'm not quite sure how does that look. Wouldn't it make a sharp curve or you're meaning to make a flat area?

>>7052672
>could be posting art in cute girl general
>or in /draw/ general
>or in /beg/
>or even go to /u/
>"nah, gonna make my own thread and post nothing!"
yeh

>>7052672
>>7052853
Read the filename from the OP.

>>7015673
I've noticed since trying to improve form fundies that construction is too messy, both drawing from reference and imagination. People point this out and say that it's "just a tool" when I ask why learn it in the first place. Are there any resources for implied construction or does it come with drawing from observation, mark-making mileage, etc?

>>7053782
Just make a new layer in digital, or the poor trad equivalents: use a kneaded eraser to lighten it, or use tracing paper, or use a light box, or go on top of it with another medium and possibly erase after.

How do I find the will to draw when I have no support from anyone?
How do I be my only fan when I want to fucking kill myself?

>Also what's with the dumbass time limit to posting now?

How do you select colors for gamut masking/mapping? How much of each color are you supposed to select?