/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

fuck you bitch

>>7021374
>starts including OC work instead of just the copies as always

/HAM/ sends their regards

>>7021381
kore ha nan to iu ka? /HAM/? omonai www

>>7021390
黙れくそ外人
/HAM/ has had a single thread and has left a permanent mark on /asg/ its gaining too much power

>>7021391
"Too much power"tte nani? Hen na yatsu ww

If /HAM/ is so good, why you still in the better general?

til this day not a single soul from this general has make it from absolute beg

>>7021404
Disagree, they won't stick around after that and it's a good thing. This place is a hellhole.

>>7021408
>hey won't stick around after tha
more like people leave this ngmi trap when they realize this place has nothing to offer that you wont find on a 1min google search. the few that stay, remain beg or make little progrees here.

>>7021415
>>7021408

Are you 2 gentlemen the people who "leave this ngmi trap" that you speak of or are you just agitators venting?

>>7021415
>the few that stay, remain beg or make little progrees here.
Agreed, or they are here just for the resources. Heard several reports of anons that just made it after ignoring all of threads but the book/courses ones.

>try to copy dungeon meshi style
>fuck up even a little bit and it turns into a western style
fuck me

>>7021374
>thread is deleted for the second time
what the fuck is wrong with the jannies, why they don't delete the howie threads?

>>7019267
We're gonna make it for sure.

>>7021735
based saber poster

krenzsisters...

>>7021374
>first time posting
>make it onto op
>it’s the crappy prefix version
anon why you do this to me..

a scuffed thing. attempted Tako's face style which was fun.
>>7021910
huh maybe I should look into those courses after I get a better grasp of the fundies, but idk if my soul can handle drawing houses and cars.

>>7021910
who's that?

>>7022110
stiff as fuck, needs more Vippus and some Rummis

>>7021374
anime sucks

>>7022222
no fuck you

>>7022222
true

>>7022222
cant argue with quints

>>7022222
hell yeah, manga all the way

>>7022220
NTA but who's rummi? I know Vilppu, but I've never heard of that other guy before.

>>7022222

anime is the only reason why I continue to use oxygen

>>7022235
A strong case against anime.

do i smoke the krenz pack? or do I just use pics of my favorite artist for reference?

>>7021910
is krenz that good

>>7022163
>all that grinding only to be less than mid int
damn, looks like you should've just made more pieces anon

>>7022220
Not that anon, but although I like the pose more, I feel like the face is going further away from the Granblue style anon was wanting. Also her boob is coming off her body weirdly, as well s the back shoulder blade being a bit flat

>>7022298
I spent the same amount of time and am still /beg/ I'm ngmi

So the thing I'm trying to get better at is drawing faces because I suck the most at those.
What I do right now for practice is:
>Draw (very) basic construction for head
>Copy the rest as I look closely at the original image
>Move onto the next image/page when done
What I wanted to ask was, should I be re-drawing the same page several times in a row? Or is it better to just do what I'm doing and moving on when I'm done copying?

>>7022306
>Draw (very) basic construction for head
you're not currently utilizing this properly in 2 ways
1. you're not making or using guidelines that help with aligning the facial features, so for example the face on the left has poor placement and proportion of the eyes, and the only line you've drawn to help deal with it is the vertical centerline.
2. you're not making a construction that feels the form of the head, this weakens your ability to find the front plane and to find the correct perspective for the eyes
>What I wanted to ask was, should I be re-drawing the same page several times in a row? Or is it better to just do what I'm doing and moving on when I'm done copying?
you should try redlining yourself after each copy at least, identify what parts aren't right and hopefully how you can fix a few of them

>>7022303
nta can agree with the face and shoulder blade. but what in the fuck are you trying to say with the boob part? it looks good and way better than the original.

>>7022230
>>7022303
>>7022399
Rummis simply isnt as good as coomis and never will be, honestly the motto should be copy coomis twice to learn appeal

>>7022399
Boob looks better than original but wouldnt look like that unless its flying upward, it should be resting on the ribcage2hs8g

which coom artist/artist has body appeal? i would like to take the coomis pill

>>7022487
asanagi

>>7022487
fishine turtlefishpaint

>>7022250
he's like brent eviston
Krenz will treat you like a baby/retard/0IQ, but you will learn perspective at the end of the course
https://files.catbox.moe/d68jfk.jpg

>>7022250
he's like brent eviston
Krenz will treat you like a baby/retard/0IQ, but you will learn perspective at the end of the course
https://files.catbox.moe/d68jfk.jpg

>>7022622
is this the whole course? is there no english version?

>>7021910
>>7022622
naoki saito or krenz?
which is the /asg/ approved?

I sketched an original and going to try to do the whole line art + render process. On a scale of 1-10 how generic is this? I'm somewhat concerned that because it's not coom it's going to be kind of boring.

>>7022653
Boring for an audience to look at to be specific.

>>7022653
Ayyyyylmao/10
kek

>>7022653
I personally like it

A bit generic though but if that's what u like FUCK it just do it

Her left arm looks a bit weird and small, and maybe a bit dislocated from the shoulder. I would give that more attention. And the right arm looks better but a bit too smudged which tells me you are not confident in drawing the arms in general. It's a good opportunity to look up that subject.

The face looks very appealing to me, good job!

>>7022653
needs lots of Roomis

>>7022697
holy appeal

>>7022110
>>7022220
>>7022653
>>7022697
I kneel

>>7022230
loomis

Why oh why didn't I make it into the OP image..my ego is shattered, my dreams destroyed..

>>7022392
>2. you're not making a construction that feels the form of the head, this weakens your ability to find the front plane and to find the correct perspective for the eyes
That's a bit of an issue I've had trouble figuring out. Doing more intricate construction makes it harder for me to follow along with what's actually on the page.
Like doing a full rummisu head for construction for example, the cheek and chin of the original are so exaggerated that the construction only makes it harder to follow along with what's actually on the page, as the lines deviate so strongly from the construction.
Would just adding a horizontal centerline be enough you think? If not, what's a good way to do construction for studies like these?

>>7022653
She looks cute.
The pose, expression and hair accessoire are enough to make it not generic.

Outside of studies, draw overs, and observation does anyone know how to get that Classic 80s/90s look. Videos Livestreams anything will do

>Right is trace, left is freehand
How am I doing so far? First time doing the body past the shoulders so I'm not very confident on this.

>>7022230

>>7022916
you mean the coloring, it's gonna take some experimenting. they were painted onto transparent cells with light shining through them then being photographed. translating all those variables to digital is hard and i honestly haven't seen anyone do it well even with all their filter magic. stick to 80s/90s illustrations if you don't want to get filtered by ancient technology. still keep in mind they were painting with traditional media. also they had an obsession with high contrast and very saturated darks. also usually had 1-2 more shadow layers than modern anime. its easier to replicate modern anime because you basically have the same tools used to make them at your disposal.

>>7022946
study anatomy. those breasts tell me you don't know what is actually going on there from the bone to the muscle to the fat.

arturia virtuoso hugging a tiny doctor plush

redid the last one and tried perspective

>>7023092
Thought this was a different character but it’s just Miku. I hate how Miku conquered the twin tail design.

>>7019267
Drawing is fun!

>>7023092
Woah

>>7022854
you should give yourself enough to work with
if you can't get this or that properly measured or aligned, give yourself more reference points

>>7022220
Granblue Fantasy is making a comeback.

>>7022220
Ironically gbf artists studied vilppu and leyendecker but /asg/ rather copy anime instead.

>>7023304
A strong case against vilppu.

anyone have the class files from chyans coloso course? torrent didn't come with em

colored the arutria booba

>>7023343
HOW TO LINEART AAAAA looks great

>>7023343
damn, nice work

>>7023343
I really like the hair reflections.

it's my birthday and i've been drawing every day for months and i have 0 posts on socials 0 artist friends and countless unfinished works and half assed studies because i cant focus long enough and i envy everyone who can finish things without obsessing over every little mistake and focus on what really matters

anyway i want to get back to posting in here

>>7023418
happy birthday anon!

cute drawing, i can be your friend

>3y later
>still cant draw/rotate a fucking box
yep, im taking the krezpill(perspective course), see (You) in 8 weeks

>>7023343
why are you posting finished art arent you afraid somebody takes the credit and turns it into AI? What a retard.

>>7023426
does he have a video course about perspective?

>>7023433
look in the video course thread

>>7023426
>>7023433
>>7023450
whats with the sudden mass shilling of this crab, this is why this generals shit

along with people like >>7023428
lirerally encouraging people not to post their work holy shit

>>7023454
I am all for pyw but no offense to >>7023343 but shit like this belongs on twitter where he will get more engagement and possibly get even better as a result. Stealth flexing serves no purpose but to inflate ego and rile up crabs into giving up. There is a time and place for anything and this ain't it chief.

>>7023454
dunno what you're talking about bro. i'm just a beg that wants to get better and perspective seems cool

>>7023473
he's the schizo who thinks krenz is about coopying

>>7023472
>>7023428
stop pretending to be retarded.

>>7023478
>>7023473
hey guys I want to draw like japanese artists!

Hey bro study this chinese artist for 8 weeks

>>7023546
>chinese
he's taiwanese
yoneyama mai is taiwanese(hafu) too

>>7023546
never said I wanted to draw like krenz, I want to understand perspective like he does.

>>7022018
80 percent of the work was done in the op you didn't really change it much so don't worry about it anon

>>7023546
at least he draws

>>7023546
yeah, people should look at real japanese masters like スコットロバートソン instead

>>7023553
damn thats pretty

>>7023560
>スコットロバートソン
how?

>>7023562
learn to read idiot

krenzbros...
>>/ic/thread/7009801#p7011132

>>7023553
looks very nice, but that doesnt answer the question of why people trying to learn japanese style art would burn their time studying a tw artist, its itd be like studying brigturds male forms for 8 weeks

>>7023554
> i dont want to draw like him but im going to copy his work

yeah that makese sense

>>7023574
>>7023554

>>7023577

>>7023575

>>7023575
>>7023571

>>7023575
i haven't done the course yet, but I'm assuming it's -explains theory and how to do something
- gives homework or explains how to practice it.
You're not really copying his work

>>7023580
>i havent looked at the course but im going to tell you what it contains

anon please

>>7023579
>>7023578
>>7023571

>>7023581
yeah i'm looking at the files of the course and it's structured like the current couse i'm taking, which is why i made an assumption.

>>7023583
>>7023571
>>7023562

>>7023584
can you explain why you havent picked a japanese artists course, or are you just baiting replies

>>7023587
like whose

>>7023585
>>7023571
>>7023571

>>7023587
because I don't know of any japanese artists that have a course specifically on perspective.

>>7023589
>>7023571

>>7023588
What artists do you like the most?

>>7023428
>>7023472
>being afraid that some faggot tries and make AI slop from my work
Heh, people already do this, both for my work and people I know. Until my arms stop working, nothing will stop me from painting my gacha waifus, not some faggots online, nor some gay ass machines. Imma do my own thing, because painting anime boobies make smile like a retard.

>>7023592
name 1 japanese artist with a perspective course

>>7023593
>people I know AI slop my art
really? wtf for what reason????? are they your friends?

>>7023594
>>7023590
tell me a couple of artists you really like and ill tell u a similar artist with a course (or book)

>>7023596
i love all japanese artists

>>7023595
You misread what I said. I already know people online AI slop my stuff, because they straight up tell me this, most of the time to generate NSFW version of my artworks which is kinda funny.

>>7023596
i'm a fan of Ryoko Kui's work, the dungeon meshi creator.

Genuinely, what is happening?

>>7023598
So you're basically a cuck. An actual one.

>>7023602
pyw crab

/HAM/ solves this

>>7023598
Why not do a NSFW version of your own art too

>>7023607
yeah thats the plan homie, its pretty easy

Shit is hitting the fan?

When will this general finally escape krenz's crabbing? There hasnt been a single anon here whos ever gotten better from copying his shit

>>7023605
why does this general hate /HAM/ anyway, it seems like a good companion for non studies

>>7023615
/ham/ doesn't have any good artists

>>7023612
>>7023572
>>7021910
>krenz = copy
what a retard LOL

>>7023593
>what a cuck
Wow no need to tell me you're a seafag.

>>7023593
fucking based, nodrawfags in shambles

>>7023421
thanks anon, what have you been doing? i keep getting caught up sketching ideas instead of studying or copying to learn, i told myself i'd go through anatomy for sculptors and learn every muscle but i think at this point i'm better off focusing on clothes...

btw why are you guys so bitchy with chinese vs japanese artists the industry and styles are so diverse and diffused nowadays, just watch the courses that help you understand fundamentals then use them to copy whatever style you want

>>7023634
it's just 1 shitposter (probably the guy who made /ham/)

>>7023560
>beta scott roberson
>1000 lines to draw something in perspective
https://files.catbox.moe/83pxj5.jpg
>chad krenz
>just copy paste LOL
https://files.catbox.moe/kbzd38.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/92c1uw.mp4

I want to learn practical perspective and not become a souless scott 2.0(moderndayjames)

>>7023621
are you implying this one does? top kek

>>7023615
my guess is this board being as slow as it is, they see if as competition or coom bait and it siphones off posts causing both generals to die

>>7023642
I know you're being a dick but I think some posters in here are pretty good like >>7023634

but what about you anon? pyw

>>7023667
Im not good but I dont see any reason why people wouldnt want an anime style thread for original works

>>7023679
cuz you can just post it here

>>7023680
Maybe after the tenth time somebody gets baited into stating the obvious he'll stop trolling. Keep it up.

>>7023688
>>7023680
>pyw in a study general
theres a reason /beg/ gets more anime art then these generals, its because they get 0 responses and the OP always chooses studies over OCs, at least until /HAM/ came along

>>7023688
ur right sorry

>>7023696
There is no incentive to post original work here instead of beg or ham

MODS the thread has been filled with 1~2 trolls purposely shitting up the thread on a daily basis. PLEASE DO SOMETHING.

drawing VELVET CROWE no relations to RUSSELL CROWE; THE POPE'S EXORCIST.

>>7023555
nah it was kinda a breakthrough moment. i posted the original asking why it didnt feel anime enough. got no replies but then figured out the jaw and cheek does a lot for that anime feel. so what seems like a small thing actually was the main thing that sold the image ya know?

>>7023747
you know what to do, anon

I want into appeal

>>7023781
/HAM/ solves this

Are there any databases or websites that have tons of anime references? Right now I'm looking for action poses but it could be anything like expressions, hair or whatever. I'm just assuming that at an animation studio, if the artist has forgotten what tropes are connected to a personality type, or what pose to choose for a confident person, they have an internal database with lots of references? Instead of wading through google that gives you tons of trash result or duplicates of the exact same pose/expression,

>>7024106
Is setteidreams.net what you're looking for?

This general sounds autistic. I highly doubt that these whiny comments even draw. Let alone post their work.

>>7024199
/HAM/ solves this

>>7024199
>>7024199
fuck off

>>7024241
Yes delicious. Lmao. I will savor your tears while you mald into a seething butterfly.

>>7024249
you don't even draw, splitting generals is a nigger move

>>7024327
Evidence? Yeah I didn't think so. You don't even know who you're talking to. That's a bitch move if I ever saw 1. There's 41: posters in here. Evolve or die. If my livelihood was dependent on splitting generals I'd be a sad man. That's why I have you guys to do that for me. You are just a simple distraction while I que my downloads. Seeth and produce salt my little nodraw.

>>7024338
>You don't even know who you're talking to
and?

Why did my comment get deleted. i was just fucking with you guys, truth be told. i have no commitment to splitting generals, this is just something for me to do while i que my downloads. calm your tits. there's no financial benefit for me to even create the generals.

>>7019267
Draw, even if your week has been busy as fuck.

give me your worst ic, how do I fix her?

>>7024548
She looks like she belongs in Lilo and Stitch
Work on clothing folds
also she's missing the numbers on her arm.

>>7024548
neck is a bit too long
eyes look too much like loish, look at anime references, same with the nose, you can just remove it
face is too big, and hair is too compressed at the top
tails look a bit boring, if you mirror you have to do some changes or they look bad
hands are confusing
sleeves are too flat

>>7024594
Thanks. I was trying to copy DM with the nose if that helps.

idk which style I want to copy to develop my own. feels like i'm grinding without no end goal

>>7022946
There are few problems to fix.
1. Your lines are too choppy because your are focusing on them too much, just overdraw and clean after also if you have troubles just use smoothing there is absolutely no shame in it.

2.You are drawing lines.... draw volume that's what is most important, stop thinking about things just as lines or shapes instead focus on volume. If you are drawing tits for example then go watch some irl tits search on internet how they look anatomically and then draw.

>>7024664
i just went on pinterest and looked up "cute anime style" and picked the first one i found cute to obsess over. careful with the ai though

I'll either get the ability to draw better lines without having to do so much cleanup eventually or i might just adopt a messy style

>>7024705
very nice

I finally finished this. I think my lineart is getting better.

>>7024241
>>7024327
>>7024344
Without sounding like a no draw crab, explain how we dont benefit from a general for original works

>>7024548
shape clarity, proportions, and perspective
i felt like the viewer looking slightly up at her makes more sense with what you have, so i made her arms and collar follow that perspective
the eye angles are a lot more subtle. they curve inwards just slightly more. if you do studies of kui's faces, you can get a better sense of how important those slight angles are for closed eye expressions
also notice the how the ear (headphone) position changes in relation to face angle. blocking that in makes it easier to see

>>7021374
anime sucks

I checked out some different artists' PSD files and they all have their lineart on a raster layer. In some beginner guides I've seen they all talk about how great vector layers are but from my own observation none of the artists I follow actually use it. Am I missing something here?

>>7025147
I recently watched a course and the artist was using vector layer for lines, which was new to me. Basically the point was that seemed easy to erase/edit/mess with the lines but beyond that I wasn't really impressed. (I use an iPad to draw and my apps don't support vector layers afaik so it doesn't concern me either way.)

>>7025157
How do you go about nailing such long clean strokes like this without the vector layer? I think I can't do it as I am now.

>>7024837
>/ic/ slow as fuck
>all generals established
>they all do their job
>redundant general
>/sex/ and /alt/ also welcomes animu
Splitting won't solve this, why not post the original stuff here? By doing this, more people will do the same.

>>7025147
It's mostly preference but yeah most don't use them

>>7024837
Also, this thread so far is getting some original drawings, let's not ruin that

>>7025163
I don't because I don't even like how this looks. I do get why it'd be useful for people looking to draw very thin lines though indeed.

I rejected Krenz for a long time but now I see just how much I needed him.

>>7025391
>but now I see just how much I needed him.
explain

>>7025625
I thought I knew about accuracy until I let Krenz into my heart. Now I cannot see drawing the old way.

>>7019267
Not copying, using minimal reference.

>>7025754
>>7025625
>>7025391
>its just the same autist praising krenz repeatedly

for what reason

>>7019267
Just fuck my shit up

>>7019267
Give me the Grail.
Now.

>>7025760

I'm a totally different anon. Believe what you want.

>>7025768
this might be the worst attempt at samefaggotry ive ever seen, are you also OP?

>>7025759
>>7025762
>>7025763
the armor looks ok and its a nice attempt at a hand, but youd probably be better off posting in HAM, do more saber heads as theyre the most important part of any piece

Look what I've just found. That difference between his studies and original work. I don't want to end up like this bros

https://www.artstation.com/lex_astron/albums/6455364

>>7025772
Thanks I really need to look up how to draw faces. I'm just drawing for fun all the time instead of actually studying that's no good either in the long run.
Wtf is HAM?

Hey mods, if you don't actually give the troll(s) a ban then deleting their posts serve absolutely no purpose and they'll keep derailling and shitting up the thread with snide comments like these >>7025769 >>7025772 >>7025780.

>>7025790
>>7025768
>>7025754
>>7025391
yeah this is totally organic bros

>>7025790
>some turboretard masturbating over krenz
Hecking based!

>an anon giving critique to someone actually posting their work
uhhh mods? can we delete this and go back to stroking our peckers over how good krenz is? do you know krenz?

>>7025783
the thread for original works >>7011444

>>7025820
why not just use /alt/

>>7025811
>>7025820
I don't personally follow krenz but he's an established teacher with proven methods.

In the meantime you're just a nodraw trying to sabotage this general. If you really wanted to be a positive impact on anons striving to draw anime then you'd pyw and try to improve this general by challenging its norms from within. Instead you're acting like some effiminate troll making ungenuine comments all day because you mentally don't even what it takes to hold an argument with someone else.
If you care so much about making pieces and not "copying", why don't you to /alt/ or any other anime generals where people focus on making original illustrations? The idea that you need /asg/ folks to follow you in your adventure is completely contradictory to what you're trying to preach, it's like you're unable to take action on your own and need us to do shit. It frankly shows how inept you are.

>>7025759
>>7025762
>>7025763
>he was copying, actual drawings from imagination are day 1 beg tier

such many cases

>>7025176
Do you have artists that you follow that have good lineart? I've always been focused on rendering.

>>7025763
woah that foreshortening... I kneel.

>>7025790
>Krenz in OP
>/asg/ going berserk over a cloud strife image based on a Krenz course
Maybe the troll is /asg/ all along?

>>7025920
all these years and people still haven't caught on yet

>>7024548
Like this style

>>7025920
if it means that /asg/ stops getting raided I'm all fine with krenz getting deleted from the OP

>rent free
>ngmi meltdown
you GOTTA LOVE THE KREZNISTER, YOU JUST GOTTA

>>7025759
Problem is that drawing same thing over and over is not going to help you improve fast enough specially if you don't have knowledge of basic concepts at least try to study basic shapes and perspective that alone will help you boost your drawing a lot.

Glad to see my drawing made it into the op, I am trying to get better at posing, I don't like the further back leg here. Any other criticism welcome :)

>>7021374
Why is this general so hated by anons on this board?

>>7025940
It will never stop because it's roughly one anon with nothing better to do, and because people here have zero resistance to trolling and will take the same bait no matter how many years he's been posting it in this thread for.

I am going crazy, I spend ages trying to make my line art look good and it turns out all stiff but these guys have wobbly lines everywhere yet the final piece still looks good. Should I stop being autistic about lines?

>>7026041
unironically /ham/ solves this

>>7021374
Resources for drawing hair?

>>7025963
Cute anime girls in accurately depicted Japanese armor are based
Good job anon, keep it up and never stop improving

smoking that krenz pack

Can I get some crit on my construction/foreshortening? mainly worried about the arm in back in purple, feels off to me

>>7019267

>>7022222
it's so over animebros...

wish i knew what i am doing

>>7025963
Love this drawing thought I'd draw it in my style.

Anyone care to tear it apart? I could use the critique.

>>7027180
the crotch looks like you drew guidelines and then didn't use them
you should look at drawing basic forms

>>7027180
Unironically use your brain and eye when copying. Constantly compare and see if it looks wrong.

>>7027180
her head is looking up in the reference but down in the redline
the left shoulder is out way too far

>>7026787
can I get some crit on this?

>>7027198
I freehanded the guideline and used it more as a general idea on where things go. I guess that's the wrong way to go about it.
>>7027202
I should have compared more, true. I tried to freehand more than I should have, I'll admit.
>>7027203
Good point outs, I appreciate it.
This is my second time doing the trace-then-freehand method so I do expected this one to be pretty shit. I appreciate the help, anons.

>>7021374
I usually draw furry shit, but I've been in the mood for cute anime girls lately. I know how to seek out material to study from (if you know what I mean), and tutorials and stuff, but I'm wondering what sort of things people personally did in order to comes to grip with the faces. I can make KINDA cute faces sometimes, but it's pretty challenging. What made it click for you?Does the "anime faces are based on cats" trick hold any water?

>>7027228
IMO for most people it's about finding your own recipe aka develop your own sameface syndrome. If you're used to draw furry stuff I assume it's bleeding into your faces? Feel free to post your attempt so we can tell more.

>>7026735
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3PUuCchvI

>>7027228
It's got a lot to do with value, like how the top eyelashes are always the darkest part for cute girls, for different characters they might be lighter. This also goes for the rest of the face, you want to keep the other features like nose and mouth fairly light, don't let the face get too dense apart from the eyes, you should look up different ways to draw the features and pick the ones you like most, besides that you should use a cute ratio like small chin high mouth big forehead etc

Anyways, does anyone know a good resource for costume design? I struggle with drawing a lot of stuff and simplifying it

>>7027410
I steal everything from Pinterest.

>>7026042
What helps me to not get lost in the minute details of my drawings is not zooming in past 50%

>>7027228
The rest of the furries will call you a pedo and banish you out.

I understand my forms and lineart is pretty bad but besides that what else stands out.

>>7027439
form and lineart are pretty much everything, there's nothing to say here, its pretty bad. Do copies and pay attention to what you're copying.

>>7027439
I would drop this way of rendering. It looks deviantart beg tier. Do you have any artist you look up to?

For the hair I meant* that is. >>7027451

>>7027202
some day /beg/s will read at least the first few pages of keys.

>>7027451
I don't have any artist I look up to I'm down for any suggestions.

>>7027454
meant this pic rel instead, oh well.

>>7027455
That's not really how it works, and I'm not trying to be a jackass here. Artists need to be inspired if they hope to make it past /beg/. Go to Twitter, Pixiv, booru, anywhere, and start learning about what you like vs. not like, then try actually drawing these stuff you like to see how it feels like.

>>7027457
It isn't like I haven't studied other artists before; I just find it to be extremely time consuming and unfulfilling since even if the end result looks perfect it's not actually your work. But yeah sure I can do a few studies and post them here.

doodling out a rough value comp for a horny mumei drawing

>>7027463
is this bike girl anon? Looks good

>>7027461
If you don't like to do 1:1 copies that's fair and that you're attempted an original drawing is a very good thing. I'm not telling you to change that. What I meant to convey was more in the realm that having inspirations and using references is necessary if you want to learn more about what's wrong with your art and in what kind of direction you want to stirr it towards.

>>7022222
you suck

>>7027463
bottom half looks really off, be careful with the line of the abs and remember to give 3d form to the hips

>>7026787
>>7027204
Go sit like this next to a mirror and check out the size difference between near and far limbs.

>>7027724
Kind of removes the more exaggerated wide angle perspective

>>7027463
Post reference used.
You have a proven history of outright tracing photos so save us time and post it.

>>7027724
most tof the problem comes from the bg angle compared to the girls angle, the bg looks like a fish eye 4pv while the girls has her beklly and face in a front view with no disortion from the bg angle

I am mere doodler with no real study, but I'm taking an elective drawing course at uni just for fun. It's all online so kind of unstructured, the guy just puts out a few lectures a week and trusts you to go at your own pace and upload whatever whenever. Kinda cool I guess, it forces the class to interact so it's kinda like /beg/ but everyone sucks more. My gf thinks it's cool though, she wants to try this specific class but can't because enrolling is a pain in the ass. Does anyone know of something similar I can just buy her and I a seat in? I'm not worried about it being an atelier course, I think she just wants to noodle and doodle and pretend it's serious because it's a class. Something from NMA maybe? Is there a lot of interactability in their classes or it's just watch video and draw thing?

>>7027864
my bad i have /beg/ and /asg/ open, this was a /beg/ post lmao

>>7027017
good one

>>7027836
>>7027823
>>7027724
hi anons, thanks for the feedback. I also got some tips from a friend from different opinion/approach and tried to make changes based on the overall points. No ref used, just wanted to try a more fun horny perspective. I actually did use the fisheye ruler thing with a reduced distortion and large field of view to try and match the thumbnail idea I had, lmk if this reconstruction works

>>7027836
>>7027823
>>7027724
hi anons, thanks for the feedback. I also got some tips from a friend from different opinion/approach and tried to make changes based on the overall points. No ref used, just wanted to try a more fun horny perspective. I actually did use the fisheye ruler thing with a reduced distortion and large field of view to try and match the thumbnail idea I had, lmk if this reconstruction works. I think I can keep my face and the hand and just redraw/slide the rest of the lines to match

>>7019267

>>7027404
>Feel free to post your attempt so we can tell more.
I'll try and compile some of my attempts over the past week. They're shit, but hopefully they provide some basis for learning.

>>7027428
I'm honestly not that shaken by a bunch of freaks calling me a freak desu senpai.

>>7028010
make the coloring lines curve along the surface of the dress instead of flat like a Chowder character and you'll go far
the seemingly random lines on the old books with doughy yet ripped old men unironically help, just do more lines between the ones in the manual and it becomes full coloring/shading

magenta pasties!

>>7027919
tried redoing the lineart a bit

>>7028364
Looks really good, I think we might be seeing a little too much of her right ribcage though, or breast angle adjusted to match

>>7022222
In modern day? Yeah. Quints of trvth

>>7028370
okay, ill shave a lil bit of the thickness of the ribcage and then render it :D

>>7028364
This is very good, I think, but while it's impressive, it's even more impressive how you've managed to improve it based on the advice of the thread. You got some good advice, implemented it, and I think the work is better off. It's nice to see that kind of thing on /ic/. You guys clearly value your anime waifus. Personally, I really like the frilly cloth on the lower bikini, as well as her hair and face.

I'll get torn apart if I post here lmao

>>7028350
SEEEEEEX

>>7027836
how does one learn this? like how am i supposed to know what each body part looks in perspective

>>7028633
by studying examples.

>>7028370
aight ill finish this tommorrow, did the bg and refined the drawing a bit more. Gonna finish the render and smoother lines

I have a problem, not with drawing itself but how fucking looong it takes to push out even one original piece. What are some ways to speed up the process?

>>7028881
By understanding what your process is and refining it. Some people are fine with a 30h/piece workflow, if you're not then reconsider what kind of art you want to make.

>>7028881
>>7028900
This, draw more to speed up your process little by little. It's like cooking something new where you take your time following the recipe and it tastes fine, then you memorize it, change the recipe a bit, finish faster and it tastes better but you still have to let it cook depending on what you're doing.
Also try not worrying about small details when drawing pieces, I practice whatever nitpicks and errors I notice in my art after I finish even if it hurts. You can always come back to them later and do redraws.
>food analogy

>>7019267
Messy stuff. Eye colour inaccurate cause I don't have the right colours, I'm sorry.
Any guide for retards I can follow to study and learn techniques. Not vague stuff I need concrete, "Draw this until it looks good, do this until you get a feel for it."

I don't do many studies but I use too soft of a brush for lines so I wanted to try a different one

She has thick eyebrows and expressive but droopy (?) eyes. How would you draw her eyes in anime form?

>>7029444

>>7029444
look up tareme eyes

>>7028364
the extended arm looks too short. The extended elbow should not be lower than the bent arm.

>>7029860
yeah but the toso is tilting and the arm is foreshortening away when its going away from us, so it looks like the upper arms are about the same length anyways

Fuck it. Please help me. I need to know if I should even bother to keep going, and if anyone has input on what/how to study to get more consistent results, especially in regards to faces. I'm too fucking retarded for Loomis; I've tried, a lot, and it just doesn't work for me. I'm not a complete beginner, but I'm not as good as I should be with how long I've been drawing. What else can I look into?

I didn't see anything about nsfw, but sorry if these are too risque.

>>7029880
Loomis doesnt work for anime faces anon, sorry you were crabbed like that. Watch any japanese artist stream and youll quickly learn how many times IC led you intentionally wrong

I wanted to finish this for Kay's birthday but then I got lazy as shit.

>>7029898
Meanwhile reality:

>>7030000
He's still not wrong. You cannot construct an anime girl's face.

>>7030000
look /ic/ I did it again! no subhuman, japanese people do not read your english translated books.

Please help me how the FUCK do I render hair? I have looked at psd files from other artists but even then I can't figure it out. I'm trying to learn the 厚塗り type of styling, are there any resources that pretty much handhold me through the steps?

>>7030082
Rinotuna paints like this if I'm not mistaken so check his video course. It's been shared a lot over the past months. It's Korean though so only if you can stomach it.
Here's a music only video if his process, ENG explanations are added later on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q--tYvb8eE
I found this guy recently otherwise, this could give you some clues as well: https://www.youtube.com/@58mw91/streams

Are you putting in the work too? If you have attempts post them so anons can help you out too.

>>7029898
>>7030037
>>7030058
skill issue

>>7030116
well memed fellow reditor!

>>7030116
Go ahead, prove us wrong, do it from multiple 3/4 angles.

>had decent output before college semester started
>output plummeted after starting classes
REEEEEEEEE TIME MANAGEMENT

>>7029880
>I'm not a complete beginner
nigga you draw like day 1 begs, and the loomis head method is meant to teach you how to draw a face/head with a simple planes, aka the meme ball, once you are able to place the face features effortlessly you modify the meme ball to your prefered animei features, but at that point you problaby wont need any landmarks and most likely you will eyeball everything and still get it right.

>>7030246
When it comes to human faces, I basically am day 1. I've only drawn a handful of them over the years, and this is the first week I've actually tried making some. It's also been a bit of a struggle, since the methods that seem to work for other people, don't work for me, and I'm not sure why. So like I said, I'm not where I should be given the amount of time I've committed.
Thanks for the picture. I'll study it and see what I can learn from it.

>>7030246
all hail the king of begs

>>7030261
>When it comes to human faces, I basically am day 1
as opposite to? kek. but if what im getting is that you don't know how to draw realistic faces, you don't have to but it's going to be way harder to understand stylized anime faces since they can vary tremendously between styles you will need to be a maxxed constructionfag to decode those. if anything just study the face planes from anime dolls/figmas? that would be easier but you still need to take into account the stylization part.

>>7030272
>as opposite to?
Well, non-humans. Animals and Pokemon and kemono and stuff. I like round, cute things, so I don't have much of a foundation in realistic styles, that's true. Faces just don't make sense to me when I'm drawing them. I'm starting to think it's less of a skill issue and more of a brain issue. I think I'm just retarded.
Thanks anyways, anon. I'll keep trying.

>>7030246
This is good anon and good on u for pywing, but it has nothing to do with loomis. Loomis stays as a beg trap and to draw anime you need to.... draw anime. Crazy

>>7030246
This doesn't teach you how to shape the eyes and cheeks from different angles for it to look appealing, this is something you learned by studying anime and has nothing to do with Loomis. Those red lines are pretty much useless.

>>7030285
work posted: zero

>>7030276
i don't say this to crab you , but you are probably worse than what you actually think, when it comes to realistic faces is easier to see the errors because your brain is used to the human face proportions, when you draw stylized faces where you have hardly or little knowledge compared to the realisctic faces is harder for your brain to know if its ''correct'' or not, so think it looks better than what it actually is.

pic related, you see /beg/s drawing like the top pic on a daily basis and you'd think they could tell is pretty fucked up yet they think it's fine. until compare the drawings with a more skilled picture then the differece is obvious to them but for everyone it always has been.
So the reason you have problems drawing anime faces is because you have very little knowledge on the way i'ts drawn, also anime faces in general.

>>7030285
well me, and many anime style artists that have used loomis and realistic books to learn anatomy or construction can draw anime just fine, i know is crazy that there's more than 1 way to learn and get good at drawing anime.

>>7030309
? im not loomis retard, the book has a breakdown of all these details go read, you are supposed to stylize them to your liking, what you want is to be told what to do step by step and be handholded all the way.

>>7030309
>>7030285
Worthless nodraw permabegs.
Meanwhile the actual production work of Slayers:

>>7030330
You're right and wrong. I think I am worse than maybe I'm letting on. I don't have any delusions of being "good", but I'm not bottom of the barrel. Those sketches aren't indicative of my overall skill. I won't shit up the thread with D&D/furry shit, but just so I'm not talking out of my ass: https://files.catbox.moe/h6g29u.jpg (it's just a character drawing, nothing nsfw).

I grew up with anime, and I try to use that style as a basis for other types of heads I draw. Kemono, in particular, is just anime with a snout. I'm only saying this to express that while you're right in that I'm not as good as I'd like myself to be, I'm not unfamiliar with anime faces. It's just that I don't have a method for drawing them intuitively. I haven't had anything "click" yet, and I'm frustrated because nothing seems to work for me. I was hoping for more insight in regards to that. I find a lot of modern anime girl pictures very beautiful (like anon's swimsuit pic above), and that's what I'm trying to learn.

If the only solution is to sit down and grind out Loomis heads, or whatever, despite what some anons are saying, I guess I'll do that. I'll try and seek advice when I have something more substantial to offer.

>>7022697
Could you deliver some Roomis books?

>>7030335
I already read Loomis ages ago, and besides Loomis only really comes down to having a sphere/box to understand the basic planes and have lines for where you want features to be. People call it "Loomis" by habit but it's just common sense/basic perspective & construction, you don't need to open some ancient book to get that.

What I'm conveying is that for a lot of stylized styles out there (not all), constructing the face this way ends up being detrimental because it's more about shape design than actual 3D accuracy.

>>7030344
A brow line, eye lines and a center line, wow such magic. Your pic is in favor of my argument btw, same as >>7030246.

>>7030360
>constructing the face this way ends up being detrimental because it's more about shape design than actual 3D accuracy.
But that's just... not true at all... Are you one of those that think anime can't be represented in 3d space?

>>7030362
I'm right, but you replied within minutes without actually thinking (can you even think?), so re-read, try again and come back once you've realized I'm right.
PS: I'm always right, get used to it.

>>7030364
well keep crabbing. it's pretty based you are keeping so many beginners from learning.

>>7030263
>>7030285
>>7030360
>>7030364
coping real hard

>>7019267
Just a quick one. Trying to draw different kinds of angles.
Checked some reference for parts of the hair and eyes.

>>7030602

>>7030160

>>7030726

>>7029880
learn perspective

sex with mumei!

>>7030805
I can't. I'm honestly too stupid to.

>>7030726
you have the right idea but rn they look kinda flat or just flat, the planes of face are missing in some on them, their position are the the ones that shape the face from different angles, your faces are just trying to be oriented with the angles but the features aren't, like symbol drawing.

>>7030811
the left tit needs a serious fix, the underboob part

>>7030819
Show me

>>7030820

>>7030330
>the i need to say im an """artist""" poster
I get it you dont draw.

DO feel free to pyw if your so intent on proving everyone wrong though

>>7030344
>>7030362
>>7030364
>>7030513
>drawing a single line to represent where the head goes = loomis to these retards
excellent crabbing technique!

>>7030936
oh okay, i also made the ribs a little thinner and then brought up the hips, and tried adjusting the breasts

>>7030998
I just wanted advice. Why are you all so autistic

>>7031020
People will try to mislead you with loomeme

>>7031020
never listen to the seanigger

>>7031095
There was nothing to listen to, I got no advice. I just got told that I sucked. Which, granted, but man, you guys need to get a grip.

>>7031008
your moomin now.

>>7027451
is this better? I tried a lot harder with this.

>>7031182

>>7031233
gmi、i like the movement on the skirt in this one. Your rendering does look like its not imitating anyone though

>>7030817
are you high?

>>7031233
Thanks man, I couldn't get the skirt rendering as good as yours but I think it looks better now.

>>7030817
>>7030726

>this is your mind on loomis
how the fuck did you manage to make them all FLAT

>>7031292
nta but for shading ditch the soft airbrush for now and try for bigger and more solid light & shadow shapes. Also decide on one light source and think about how it'd hit your 3d figure instead of randomly adding them in.

I won't talk about your actual drawing but if thinking about 3d is hard for you then try working on that. Keep going and don't get discouraged

Well apparently I can't draw a head worth a damn so time to practice on that.

>>7031182
It's really not, it still looks DA-tier because you're not thinking in terms of light & shadow shapes. Use a basic round brush, not a soft one as anon said above, and try to replicate this >>7031233 way of painting. (I see virtually no change with your edit here >>7031292)

>>7030246
Glad to see fellow Loomis chads here. Have fun drawing with your pen /a/non.

>>7031020
They are seething because they are permabegs still. The fact that one of them is Gobsoy Sloyer fan just tells you everything of their taste.

>>7031367
There, There aren't really any soft edges on the skirt anymore.

>>7031425
I forgot to post

>>7031425
>>7031427
Yes, like that. Just don't use that horrible soft brush anymore.
Also watch this please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaWu2zgEBI it's very relevant to what you're going through right now.

>>7031008
wow! moom post

>>7031341
thank you for your continued interested in my construction practice.

>>7030817
>the planes of face are missing in some on them
They're missing in all of them. Most of the lines are proportion measurements on a nice simple form, they're explicitly not describing a complex one.
I'm not sure what to make of the redline or text. Taste in aspect ratio aside, there's no disagreement on what goes where. A horizontal squish lines up the corners which were the goal of the construction.
If you want to say a pencil rough of a face the size of my thumb is crudely done compared to a big crisp digital drawing, I can only agree.

Not surprised the perma/beg/ shitters aren’t posting their work

>>7031470
Cute style anon.

>>7031470
the painting on the left are just to show the planes of the face, the lines across the face of your drawing were meant to show that it looks flat. the point was to show you the planes so when you draw you imply these forms with your drawing, a lot of them have the eyes sat on a flat line like the lines i trace over your drawing, instead of showing that curvature like the purple lines on my drawing and the blue lines on the ref, your drawings are missing lots of these features making your faces look flat, is not a matter of being complex or adding more bloat to make it look anime, these are basic fundamentals and can be symplified fairly easy but also very easy to miss if you don't know what are you looking for, that's why i used 3 different light sources to show the planes of the face that you should have in mind when you draw in 2D.

>>7031717
I agree with the general thrust of the advice, these are good things to think about. I just can't tell what more you want from me when you hand back a redraw that is narrower, but otherwise agrees on the angle and placement of every corner that was constructed.
The mystery deepens the more I look at it. Did you just think I was placing things correctly but for the wrong reasons, or by accident? I can't really tell.

>>7019267
Witness the true form of the King of Knights.

New Thread:
>>7032463
>>7032463
>>7032463

>>7023092
gangster

>>7025759
It's just not very good.
But don't give up the good fight I support you to the very core!

>>7025762
The face looks elongated.
Are you using the character sheets brother?

>>7025763
I kneel.

>>7019267
I kneel.

>>7021735
Gangster!

>>7023117
This one's pretty good.

Some of your drawings fall really short for example >>7025762 but some of them are pretty respectable.
I heavy respect your endeavour.
I bless you to the very end!

>>7028364
Looks a lot better.
I kneel.

>>7028827
>>7029870
Yes yes this is gangster.

>>7029346
I think your copy is quite accurate.

>>7030726
You proved them wrong.

>>7032943
The ones that look good are just copies from artbooks. The shitty ones are from imagination.
Thanks, I'm trying to improve with what little time I have to spend on drawing.

>>7032967
OK, thank you for commitment to the cause!
I support your endeavour.

Anime is a hell of a drug

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