/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7012917
pawellbros...

anonbros what would you consider makes an illustration be more appealable for you between these 3:

Composition, proper anatomy, dynamic pose?

it might probably a mix of all but If I had to focus on one to start what would you choose?

Any book or video recommendations for fabric and/or hair? Sometimes I see people that are pretty bad with faces, but good at clothes and hair, and it frustrates me a bit, since faces are probably the one thing I'm 'sort of' decent with, and it feels like it should be the easiest bit.

Is pawell the best example of how fundies are a complete meme and that all the "recommended books" dont work?

>>7012950
>Every serious artist in the world stresses how important fundamentals are
>One random retard from 4chan is unable to learn and apply them
>The fundamentals must be a meme

You deserve to be stuck.

>>7012953
anon from the amount of sketches he does it would be easy to estimate hes doing 2-3 hours of drawing on """"high quality"""" material every single day, is that seriously not enough?

>>7012954
some people are just retarded like me.
The notion that every man is equal and can become great with the same ammount of effort is bullshit. Some people go at a snail's pace no matter how many books they read or practice they have.

>>7012954
Chris Chan drew more in his life than all of /ic/ combined, if anything is a meme it's an unconditional "just draw".
Besides, you see people who use these books improve all the time, on this board. You just notice pawell because he's a mass replying faggot.

>>7012945
The journey of a thousand miles starts with one step yet you worry so much about which direction to take.
You won’t get very far with this kind of thinking.
Remember this is a lifelong journey

>>7012956
complete fallacy, I've been here long enough and I've not seen a SINGLE anon become even decent from studying the westoid books, any KR or JP stream I tune into as well starts off immediately with a contour of the figure, no construction, meme perspective lines, boxes, or other '"""""""""""""""""fundys"""""""""""""""""

less chatting, more drawing

>>7012958
Don't talk shit about boxes you nigger

>>7012958
Anyways here's some hand studies from a book I pirated

>>7012964
with that can you explain why pawells drawings dont look like that?

>>7012958
>any KR or JP stream I tune into as well starts off immediately with a contour of the figure, no construction, meme perspective lines, boxes, or other

And then we get an army of identical, interchangable, generic anime artist, great.

Aigis wip

every time doing stuidies like this i keep getting stuck on the small detail.
i do to this stage with ease and then i can't do anything more.
also i never start from a stain, i just can't. i always line first and then paint over

>>7012973
as opposed to western "art", you can keep it thanks

>>7012981
you will never be a mangaka

>>7012966
My honest opinion is he needs to slow down and MAKE DECISIONS. His studies seem like he doesn't ever correct his mistakes when he makes them, and just moves onto the next drawing. It seems like he moves the pen without thinking his strokes through.

Oh also he is drawing and you are not

Pawel, not like this...
I think understanding of the form is there, but there is little appeal. Pawel should just push appeal more, try to draw something but make it look easy on the eyes (for example, no potato sacks, slender figures instead; don't draw all face features on smaller heads, draw fewer but in more appealing way)

>>7012917
This is /beg/ not /pawell/, the board don't need another useless general
Quit bitching and draw

>>7012917
My room is in the new /beg/ collage, I'm gonna go tell my parents :D

Been too busy to make actually dedicated drawings, so here's some sketches.

Been too busy to make actually dedicated drawings, so here's some sketches.
Didn't load the image for some reason.

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>>7012917
fuck these threads has become complete shit just like 90% of the board outside. the final push was having these oc drama asses sperging everywhere their nobody cares secret war

pawell fucking stop drawing btw, if you still suck this much after all this years long odyssey it means you can't fucking do it. just find another hobby holy fuck it's like watching someone trying to impregnate their beloved pet based on the concept of "love always wins"
at this point I'm starting to think its all an epic ruse. are you for real bro? really fr?

i don't know what i'm doing really, nsfw its not for me at all

>>7013063

>>7013065
>are you for real bro? really fr?
pyw? :3

I won’t be drawing for this thread, either. And in case any of you were worried, I haven’t drawn so far this year.

>>7013058
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>>7013058
Wow. Incomprehensible scribbles.

>>7012978

break it down into smaller areas. decide on one of those area and focus on it. For example eyes, nose, mouth etc. And if you can resize the canvas so it's bigger and you can add more details/pixel to the drawing.

some advice for begs:
1. dont draw what you want until you can impress people (not friends and family) with stuff they want. if you draw what you want and fail, it will demotivate you harder than anything. especially if you've been working hard to get to that point.
2. just draw means draw what you've practiced a few times to get it right intuitively instead of just going back to fundies right away when you get it wrong.
3. its better to draw then practice than practice then draw. don't practice fundies in isolation. drawing human muscles for a week then working on a painting of a mountain means you wasted a week. practice what you need when you need it.
4. if there is an art style you're going after, practice from day one in that art style and how people who draw that art style practiced. someone recommending you vilpu? look at vilpu's art. do you like drawing obese western women? no? then don't waste time with vilpu. which leads me to my next point.

>>7013078
5. look at the art of anyone who is teaching you art and only learn from them if you would like to draw like them. if someone recommends you a world renowned artist's course where that artist paints muscular men fighting bears, guess what, you're only learning how to paint muscular men fighting bears. the fundies can be taught by anyone, the methods of deploying those fundies changes from person to person, along with theory. what you are trying to learn are methods and theory, so learn them from brains that draw what you want to draw. The fundies have mostly been here for 500 years, no one is gonna teach the core principles in a magical way.
6. drawing is learning, learning a skill is a struggle. our will to struggle runs on a tank of willpower. if other things in life are draining your will, you will have little to fuel your struggle with climbing the mountain that is art. this is the same for all skills. if your life is miserable, you won't have the will to struggle because just being alive is struggling enough. this is why kids with bad childhoods do bad at schoolwork even if later in life it's shown they have high iqs. get a foundation first before you draw. either friends, forms of leisure, love (gl lol) or anything that is a comfort zone. drawing has its ups and downs and when the downs come if you have nothing to fall back on you will suffer, and might even quit drawing.

>>7013066
It's very cute and well composed, thank you for sharing.

hampton kinda fun so far

>>7013058
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>>7013062
Feel these deeply. I like

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>>7012978
thats based anon, finish it!
>>7012976
very based very like
>>7013066
Cute! I downloaded it onto my computer. post moar.
>>7013078
Can you elaborate on 1.? What is exactly stuff other people want? Fandom for example?
>>7013105
basu
>>7012960
No sir, this is /ic/, we come here to gossip, not to draw.

asking here because I dont want to make a thread about it but for those anons who have a non art dayjob, how do I cope knowing that there is other artists that can commit to work on their art 24/7 and you are relegated to work in your free time if any? After my work I barely have energy for maybe 1 hour a day and maybe a cople of hours in thew weekend and I feel its not enough to really develop. Aty this rate I will be lucky if I can become good enough en 10000 hours.

I decided to draw the loomis blooks next to the ones I did for my first attempt and I'm kind of surprised to see I actually somewhat improved.

>>7013113
nigger i have only traveled to a different country once in my life while theres zoomers that travel any other weekend. some things are just not mean to be, you either accep it or do something about it but bitching aint it.

>>7013110

why are you doing this if you got no crit?

>>7013113
Sounds like an excuse anon, 1 hour a day is more than enough. If you have limited time, you just have to learn how to practice more efficiently

>>7012917
>My Glenn post got in the Howie section
I will never live this down kek

>>7012956
Are you implying you’re autistic? I won’t be surprised, but why are you comparing yourself to him?

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>>7013078
>1. Don’t draw what you want
Stopped right there.

>>7013160
Literally what the fuck are you talking about

>>7013078
tl;dr
>I don't draw and no one should

>>7013147
nta and i know the board is called artwork critique but imagine going to a website to post your art to only ever get beat over the head for every little mistake you made, sometimes there's just as much value in kind words

>>7013151
yeah, whatever, show me an example. As far I know, only the people who work fulltime on their art make it.

>>7013089
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>>7013166
thanks guys, i think i finished it, i dont like morrigan's colors desu i did what i could

>>7013089
>>7013110
>>7013166
thanks guys, i think i finished it, i dont like morrigan's colors desu. i did what i could

>>7013147
I'm not good enough to give elaborate critique (though sometimes I do when it's some /beg/ stuff I already got down and understand), I just liked these pictures and I wanted to give some morale boosters.

>>7013110
you really want to draw a dragon sieging a town from the sky. you really want to do this. you've practiced drawing towns, perspective, dragons, fire, and clouds. now, you havent drawn anything this complex before, and you're banking all your hard work on this drawing that you have in your head. you know how much emotional investment you've put into art, are you ready to hurt yourself without testing the waters first? ever heard the saying "better safe than sorry"? simply attempt less complex things that other people (yes, fandom is a good choice) want so you aren't too emotionally invested into it. then draw even more complex things that other people want. then when you get to a point where you realize you've drawn something better than what you expected to draw for yourself on the best outcome you can know safely that you can tackle this self-esteem project without an all or nothing attitude that could literally break you.
>>7013168
context was missing i guess but its here now.
>>7013172
kys lol

Alright, finally biting the bullet and doing Vilppu's NMA course.
Never done gestures before in my life. Only ever studied anatomy and construction so having to ignore proportions and anatomy makes these feel bizarre to do. Top are 10 second gestures and bottom are 2 minute gestures. Do these look alright? By gesture drawing standards at least, I know they look like absolute shit lol

>>7012976
face suffers from snout symdrom,eyes are also kinda derpy, left hand is a potato, the tie could use some more dynamic drappery.

Sloppy color study

>>7013332
very sloppy

>>7013304
Vilppu is too much for you, do art and science of drawing first and learn the basics of the basics before going to vilppu please.

There even is a art and science of drawing video course, can highly recommend.

Been trying to experiment more with colors. I don't know whether or not if so far the coloring looks good on this.

>>7012917
Total noob here, is Drawabox a good starting point?

>>7013063
Nice

>>7013351
i like it!!! if you're not confident u could try coloring her in grayscale and then use an overlay layer to color and see what works and what doesnt

wtf is a howie

>>7013379

why even draw when Ai gets better every 3 months

>>7013386
Why do anything, just lie down and stare at the ceiling. Dumb cuck.

>>7013386
i know this is a bait post but AI is on the way out. Let alone trojan horse programs being developed, AI is studying more AI images and pumping out incestuous images. Soon it'll be so oversaturated an unappealing that it'll be abandoned completely. It's over for you guys

>>7013304
Those aren't really gesture drawings but rather rapid sketches. Don't focus on the silhouette, focus on forces, relaxation and tension of the body and use varying curvature and angles to express them. Find the parts of the body that are compressing, stretching, holding weight etc. and notice what kind of shapes you get, then transfer them to a simple drawing. You could even start out by tracing, so that you don't have to worry about proportions, and tasteful exaggeration is a good thing.

>>7013386
>>7013393
to add
>ear melting into hair
>thumbs melting into index fingers
>inconsistent clothing (compare the left and right)
>clothing melts into hair
>unnaturally long torso
>clothing implies breasts but no breasts??
>generic AI slop style
in short, you will boil

>>7013304
On two mins you should be thinking more about the solid forms. You sometimes did some overlaps on the contours, but you never shade or run lines down plane breaks or throw wrapping lines around or across things.
Expectedly, the one time you tried to shade something to show it has 3 dimensional form were the massive tits on the 2nd to last row. Apply that coomer power to the rest of the forms.

>>7013404
true. ai is so bad, artists shouldn't worry about anything at all.
continue on and do not worry about the ai. it will never get better.
your jobs are safe forever.

>>7013332
All of your art is sloppy. This isn't a study, it's a representation of the image. You know better.

>you can only draw as a pursuit of work

>>7013429
>implying its wrong to want to make money off the things i enjoy

>>7013432
What you enjoy is illegal and morrally reprehensible.

>>7013386
This was 3 months ago, so no.

>>7013434
arrest me

>>7013362
idk buddy but I just started it today so hold on and I'll get back to you in a couple months.

still learning how to see

>>7012917
Who drew the cute rabbit girl? Looks great

froggy

trying to draw slower and be more methodical with each stroke but the end result is I drew way way way faster. No idea how that works

>>7013485
Made me feel something, gmi

are there mentors with terence fletcher vibes? I have terrible work ethic, I lack self control and discipline and feel like I can only do something under psychological horror pressure

drew this in 20 mins last night while waiting for my oculus to update cause i was salty the pens in vrchat had a line limit and i couldnt keep drawing the maid dress on my friends avatar without the oldest lines being erased. was too smashed to realise i forgot the tail and hair

i hate drawing this fuckers mask

I tried redrawing Artemis from Hades to look more feminine. All my friends said my new version is "hideously ugly" and "looks like a negress", but they refuse to be more specific about what's wrong with it. I must be blind or retarded because I can't figure out what the problem is.

>>7013517
This is the original

>>7013341
I read drawing on the right side of the brain a while ago, but I'll give that one a read. As long as it's not another box drawing hell...
>>7013397
Yeah, that's the part of gesture drawing that kinda confuses me. If I focus too much on the force/feel, It looks flat and stick-figurey, if I focus too much on the form, I just draw the silhouette. It's hard to find that middle ground in my head where I focus both on how it looks and feels at the same time. Part of why I ended up sketching was I didn't know what to do with the whole 2 minutes per pose I was given lol
>>7013422
>You should be thinking more about the solid forms
I really wanted to, but I thought they whole point of gesture was to avoid drawing the solid forms? Gesture I thought was like the whooshey feely chaotic part of drawing that you later try to fix with solid forms, isn't it?
>Expectedly, the one time you tried to shade something to show it has 3 dimensional form were the massive tits on the 2nd to last row
Legit all I want to draw is big anime tiddies lol

Thanks all for your responses

>>7013307
More

>>7013424
2 more weeks rajesh, maybe then somebody will finally pay for your worthless six fingered ai slop

>crabs are now making OPs
Hello permabeg, the figure grind continues! One figure a day keeps crab away

>>7013485
very cute and soulful
>>7013362
i consider it as the biggest meme on the internet: a course specially designed to make any possible competition drop drawing. draw million boxes and it doesnt even tell you about perspective to ensure you at least draw correct boxes
>>7013307
anon, you forgot to put torso in. she has no shoulders or torso or ass. Just limbs
>>7013113
whole life could be summed up as: rope or cope. i suggest taking it easy
>>7013058
i like this one, it mogs me
>>7013018
i dont really give a damn about appeal at the moment. i am trying to breach into figure drawing. once all my limbs and torsos and limbs will be PROPERLY foreshortened, rotated in space and connected correctly i might research how to draw it elegantly. until then it is all pure practice
>>7012978
literally just halve size of your brush and go paint the details
>>7012945
you need all three. composition is easiest shit ever, anatomy is redundant if you have reference so it boils down to the pose + rendering so its appealing
>>7012946
Hogarth Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery
Kiper Fashion Illustration
Brambatti Fashion Illustration and Design
Massen Guide to Drawing the Clothed Figure
Morpho Clothing Folds and Creases
>>7013517
looks like pro made it

>>7013519
>If I focus too much on the force/feel, It looks flat and stick-figurey, if I focus too much on the form, I just draw the silhouette. It's hard to find that middle ground in my head where I focus both on how it looks and feels at the same time.
I like to break these into two separate steps. Finish the gesture, then add the structure. Don't worry about not finishing on time, you'll get there with practice.

>>7013527
>i consider it as the biggest meme on the internet: a course specially designed to make any possible competition drop drawing. draw million boxes and it doesnt even tell you about perspective to ensure you at least draw correct boxes
what's better if you want a (free) structured course then? I tried mark leone's lectures but it feels like he assumes you know a lot of shit that I don't know.
I don't like just bouncing around randomly.

>>7013519
>Gesture I thought was like the whooshey feely chaotic part of drawing that you later try to fix with solid forms
For the first 10-30 seconds, sure.
Keep in mind the precise definition of "gesture" is a complete shitshow, but if you're going for Vilppu's approach then you go right into developing big simple volumes, defining some of the corners of the forms, and showing what comes in front of what.
Ideally you deal with proportion and perspective at the same time, but it's a lot going on at once and those things are way down the line behind the initial gesture and the sense of volume.

>>7013546
something more like this i think

>>7013503
Is drawing in VRchat possible as in like collab drawing and pen pressures?

I wanna draw dragons. are there any good courses on them?

>>7013527
There are no crabs.

>>7013517
the friends you deserve, stormfag

You ever make something and it gets totally shit on? Then a little later you see somebody else made something which is pretty much the same thing as what you made, but it gets heaped with praise? And no matter how hard you try, you can't figure out what's wrong with your creation and so much better about theirs? It's a bad feel.

I continue my work on faces
I did a sketch before the painting this time and I think it helped w the head shape

I'm not actually really interested in 2d art as a medium but want to learn bits and pieces of it in order to cheat and be able to use it. Is there any nasty and slimy tips and tricks I can use to make stuff LOOK passable without actually having to care about art?

>>7013606
Maybe if you stop drawing niggers, you'll get better.

>>7013611
?

>>7013591
google (franchise with dragon) + character model sheet

Sometimes the drawing just comes out ugly as shit
where did i go wrong

>>7013626
Conception.

>>7013630
and what's wrong with the concept

I haven't finished my last 4 drawings and I don't know why. maybe I'm just getting bored

>>7013371
Here's what the result using your greyscale idea

>>7013518
beautiful woman with delicate feature.
>>7013517
Ugly mutt with puffy cheeks and dick sucking lips. She looks like Gabbie Hanna.

>>7012917
I have a friend who's style drips of appeal lol tried to copy it a bit

I'm trying to make monochrome studies. This is the first one. The only problem is that I use Autodesk SketchBook and I cand find the soft round brush, in fact their brushes are quite rare to me. Should I change to other program?

>>7013393
I feel like this proves that asg and others are dead wrong thinking they can truly improve by copying the shortcuts other people have created. Even fucking machines get worse when their own incestuous images are overused in training data

>>7013651
sketchbook isn't very widely used, what platform are you on?

>>7013561
theres worlds with pen objects so you can draw in 3d. if theres multiple pens then you can collab. no pen pressure tho you're using the controllers to draw not a tablet

>>7013644
your original is way better, don't fell for the gray scale trap, quickly read and do the assigments from Hornung, David - Color _ a workshop for artists and designers this will teach you some interesting things about value and perception, then do read a book focusing on color like:
light and color or how to see color and paint it

grayscale to color is not always a 1 to 1 translation marco bucci has a dumbed-down explanation for this.

>>7013600
post both bruv, let's figure it out together

>>7012917
Chad Pawell, making people seethe by merely existing

>>7013518
>>7013517
I think they're both okay. I prefer the original, but I also prefer masculine women. If the revised was the original, no one would be complaining.
I think the feature you fucked up the most was the nose though, and the eyes now look less soulful and serious, instead they are now doll like. Just depends on what you're going for i guess.

>>7013655
this ugly stuff
i tried photoshop but if I mess with the canva size to be like an A4 paper, the program just start lagging

>>7013660
>grayscale trap
elaborate? why is an underpainting bad?

>>7013679
puu sh/JYyfU/2f3fe695b5.zip
here's a slightly old version of SAI, it should run better than photoshop

>>7013686
>sh/JYyfU/2f3fe695b5.zip
hey! thanks for this! Sorry, how can i download this? or in which website i can copy that text?

>>7013689
just put a . in the space between puu and sh

>>7013517
gave it a crack myself

>>7013691
>puu sh/JYyfU/2f3fe695b5.zip
thanks again!

I tried using some colors this time

>>7013533
That's actually not a bad idea... Step by step stuff is a lot easier for my peanut brain to comprehend. I think I'll try doing something like that for my gestures tomorrow, thanks for the idea.
>>7013559
I think I see what you're talking about. I didn't know you were allowed to use contours for gesture drawings. It's hard to tell where gesture drawing ends and figure drawing begins

>>7013718
>I didn't know you were allowed to
NO RULES

>>7013680
nothing is good or bad but it has its trade offs, basically you can't divorce the hue from the first stages of the painting and add it them later and achieve the same results, the order of operations alter the end product. The main issues are
1. lightness perception of the human eye
2. grayscale gradients (e.g. soft edges) turn into a mushy mess

Thats why I recommended the hornung's book first because it digs in the hue perception problem (for example the lightness perception difference between yellow and blue)

this is the marco bucci video I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJitss58XKc

try both, don't be discourage, with each painting you will learn something new.

if i have a colored rough draft, is it smart or cheating to put it in those ai things to clean it up and make any revisions then hard reference that while i finish the piece, cuz im stuck and dk how to even begin rendering :p

>>7013772
also i already know it wont help me learn how to draw and blah blah i really dont care, im not dumb enough to try and make a career out of art, i just do it for fun

>>7013772
there are no rules lad, have fun.

Today I just did a stream of consciousness weird thing

>>7013789
i liked it.
saved

It feels like I'm getting my ass kicked on this one, the face doesn't look that good on the thumbnail.

>>7013790
Thanks anon

>>7013517
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>>7013692
Can you retards explain your definition of "feminine". Round face and small chin is not female exclusive.

>>7013808
>round face and small chin is not female exclusive
lol someone's never been around women before

>not female exclusive
>never seen a women
Wow I hurt mr. art fixer fifi. my bad! :+). Have a good day sir!

How the hell do you keep track of your gesture drawing when the pose has a lot of overlapping parts? I just end up making a horrible mess of things.

>>7013105

>>7013808
it's something you will never be

currently copying loomis' FDFAIW and studying it.
recommendations to begs as to what to study after this book? People keep saying something about hampton being good. Which of his things should I go through next?

>>7013527
Every time I see a pawell post I fear I am looking at a mirror to myself in a decade. You scare me.

>>7013866
It's not everyday that I save something from /ic/, well done.

>>7013877
>tfw two of my replies are in this

so i haven't been drawing for a week and i already feel like i'm regressing kek...
does anyone have gesture tips? is this even how you ((gesture))? i watched proko a while ago, and i re-skimmed the huston chapter, but i'm not sure if i'm really applying their concepts yet

>>7013906
you could start with the right in terms of improvements on the gesturing part, u seem to take lots of time with it when the key is speed and precision in that speed which you lack due to you trying to make it all chibi and shit. try loomis, like actually, people meme it but it truly does wonders and you could use it with the white figures especially also note that simple gesture work 24/7 will do more harm then good as it teaches the mind to avoid full body work and rendering to the point of deterring people from attempting rendering at all and not having any finished pieces to even present whether it be in other threads or in my necessary means like a portfolio. yyou need to decide between styles too, the meme of having to hardcore learn irl anatomy and shit is only half a meme but holds some truth but only really depends on how chibi or anime esque youre going. overall, youre ngmi

>>7013878
I a SOWWY ! Don't let my comment ruins your day !!

First time trying to color things, don't understand how it work completely.

>>7013926
Light usually isn't pure white. Try making your shadows a darker (or warmer) hue.

>>7013928
i think this would look better with just solid greys instead of this messy hatching
good work otherwise tho

I'm getting better at drawing in vr

>>7013018
>no potato sacks
>slender figures
I was beginning to feel burned out, so thanks for the inspiration, fren
>>7012976
Much better than initial sketch, good job!
>>7012995
Nice gestures there
>>7013066
>>7013225
Cute. You the anon who wants to make a comic and possibly one day illustrate children’s books?
>>7013078
>>7013080
Mostly agree. I’d slightly modify this to say that fundies are fundies and you should learn from the teaching style that clicks with you, not necessarily art style. I think that choosing which styles to study comes into play after you learn the fundies. Basically Finch’s roadmap.
>First learn fundies
>Then learn style
>>7013094
Based Hampton enjoyer
>>7013141
Oh, good job
>>7013110
Based encourager
>>7013304
I love Vilppu but he’s rather esoteric. I’d say to do Eviston or Proko’s beg course. Or the first couple lessons of DAB to get a sense of form. Gesture isn’t about ignoring proportion or anatomy. It’s like a minimum viable drawing of a pose. Watch LoveLifeDrawing’s vids on gesture
>>7013308
Great redlines
>>7013351
I like the colors. You’re showing too much of the far side of her mons imo
>>7013362
Yes. Betty Edwards is step 0, but the first couple lessons of DAB can be step 1 if you ignore the autistic rigidity. It’s got good basic exercises for a beg and will get you feeling the form. If you start burning out, switch to something else though, Proko or Eviston are great beg courses. also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtd6uwNFl9k&list=PLMXbAPr21di-Ox-dmDwL2riWedei1dn9S
>>7013478
Betty Edwards is great for that
>>7013485
Nice!
>>7013493
Intredasting
>>7013649
Good job, high appeal. Hips need fixing
>>7013657
Hard to read but looks cool
>>7013702
Overall great. Torso seems slightly long. Lovely armpits!
>>7013856
Vilppu’s Drawing manual is great at explaining this
>>7013866
NICE
>>7013794
Maybe find a ref for the face? Seems like the proportions are weird.
>>7013916
Missing armpit
>>7013928
A kindred spirit

>>7013308
aside from the hand this criticism is entirely subjective

In the end what matters is less that you got fundies and more that you can express an original idea because theres millions of artists spamming their shit everywhere to the point that pretty girl pic #10000 is cheap to worthless unless its of the new epic trending pop culture character which only this lasts until all the twitter artists make their fanart and it goes back to being cheap, which is why artists all go on about their "style" which is just their brand as an artificial way to make their art seem more scarce, but so many force their epic "style" and if its not genuine then its just cringe
If any advice I have its to remember to have fun and not think too much about whether other people like your art as much as you like doing it and think less about whats trending and more about exploring new territory
t. permabeg who draws when he has freetime at work

>>7013957
nah

Can I get a critique on this?

>>7013967
>nah
I'de win

>>7013981
The hair and that XXL pinky.

I wanted to try out a dithering technique that I saw. I purposely went overboard in lots of places but some areas but some areas look so much better. Used more judiciously this kind of dithering will be quite handy.

>>7013886
Fun With a Pencil teaches you about forms, construction, a little bit of perspective and figure drawing/anatomy. I would recommend Perspective Made Easy for a bit more perspective and Keys to Drawing to develop your observation skills. After those and when you can draw decent forms in perspective you can start on figure drawing, if that is one of your goals. When people talk about Hampton, they mean his book or his anatomy videos. Michael Hampton is fine but you may prefer Steve Huston, Glenn Vilppu or Proko. All of them have videos on YouTube you can checkout and see who clicks with you. Figure drawing is quite complex so you'll need to learn from multiple instructors in the long run.

>>7013996
Oops, misread the acronym. Those recs are still good tho

>>7013886
hampton and morpho's book on simplified forms are two of my favourites

I wanted to copy this drawing. My usual way to do this is to trace the pose under the clothing, then copy my trace next to it and build the figure from there. But I just can't with this drawing, every way I try it doesn't look right.

Can someone help me here?

>>7014065
Forgot picture

>>7013332

color is the last thing you should study.

jesus.

>>7013362

Peter Han dynamic bible video + pdf is the superior version.

Try to look or ask around if someone has the full link to it. If you can get your hand on that that's all you need before moving to advance subject.

Which I would suggest Michael Hampton. The video series is enough.

>>7013591

you don't need a specific course to draw one thing.

>>7013606

Study real portraits and do 3 to 4 passes of sketches on top of your initial sketch. The goal is to make you see your own mistake and try to fix it.

trying out mechs and shape design

>>7013981
improperly located butthole

>>7013981
why westerners love to draw canckles

>>7013957
based gigacrab keeping the begs beg.

I've been struggling to learn to draw bodies for a while now. I've been tracing references from google images but it's just not working out and I don't feel like I'm actually learning anything from just tracing them.
Is this a good book for learning anatomy as a beg? Idk what else to do to improve.

>>7014176
if you are struggling with bodies then it's a 3d form issue. If you can't draw a box at different perspectives then you are wasting time on anatomy.

>>7014115
Thanks I'll get rid of it
>>7014131
Shes supposed to be thick and stocky if I thinned out her ankles she'd look ridiculous

>>7014223
Did you use ref? If so can you post it so I don't look stupid with this crit

>>7013990
Pinky finger ? I can see it's dislocated and yeah the hair looks hideous I just sort of doodles it without too much thought

>>7012917
Help with this one? there's something off but i cannot tell what it is

>>7014227
It's on my computer and im at work. I think her left ankle could actually use some adjustments but the right shouldn't be any thinner given her short looking proportions

>>7014096
This is way cool dude, nice work. A good reference for this kind of stuff is androidarts.

>>7014232
I think the main issue is that her head is too vertically aligned when it should be tilted. The fingers are too straight when they should be curving around the ankles and you have too much of her left shoulder when most of it'll be obscured by her neck, which is too large compared to her chest. Overall, good work so far! These're super common mistakes so it's understandable.

Other suggestions would be to make it clear who she's looking at, and to not be afraid to make her expression uneven to convey emotion, since the face you have right now is a bit too neutral when I think you're trying to depict her being happy. Just remember that the collarbones connect to the shoulders and that little girls have little shoulders and you should be fine!

>>7013967
>here let me just completely change the expression and structure of the face and say my way is better
Original has a nice distant doll eyed look that matches the mechanical aspects and is interesting. Redline is epic generic anime face #1000

>>7014271
>nice distant doll eyed look that matches the mechanical aspects
Aren't you calling that guy's art lifeless and stiff? That's a bit rude.

>>7014248

the autism is strong

>>7014280
I don’t have the energy or interest to unpack this right now, but no, I am not saying that.

Hello thread. I hope you drew today!

>>7013915
the black figures are actually me copying from yoh yoshinari; the white figures took ~1 min each. loomis filtered me, so i won’t use him. i’m looking at will weston, huston, promo, etc. right now

appreciate the tip about not doing gesture only.

>>7014248
Thanks Anon!
i will apply your advices

>>7014319
>promo
**proko

i love this guy's artworks then i saw that pic below. wtf. i can't believe this guy creates high tier wallpaper-quality artworks but creates low-beg anime faces

Need some critique.
Theres a draft layer underneath with clothing.
I think the forearm is too skinny but please feel free to critique and give pointers.

Anyone have any advice for drawing city buildings like picrel?

Been trying to teach myself perspective to help with this, but, every time I try to apply the theory, I mess it up.

>nonbinary model option for line of action
>check it out
>it's literally only two (2) different people
>both have dyed hair and are in wheelchairs
>meaning they put this option in because of TWO people
kek

>>7014358
is that Kyo?

>>7014077
ill try that out, thanks
usually I'll be able to tell if something is off but sometimes I won't know how to fix it

>>7014365
Ye. The Kusanagi man himself.

4th redraw, happier with this version alot more. Should be my last...

In trying to grasp the anime style I might have made her look younger, I'm just gonna keep it.
>>7013308
Thanks for the redline, I was struggling with the hands

>>7013953
Hopefully this version is better

>>7012976
>>7014411
fixed orientation

>>7014411
hate to be that guy but the foreshortening on the shooting arm is falling apart. It looks very short.

>>7013718
>I didn't know you were allowed to use contours for gesture drawings
Anon, gesture drawing is just distilling the form into the simplest representation. Whatever helps you to capture action or proportions in set amount of time (helps you not fixate on small details) is a valid option. Also, when drawing figures it's easy to use flowy lines for dynamic poses, not so much for static (but you can also use any other preferred method for those).

First non-study finished piece this year. I feel good about it! I still need to figure out how to make the roughness look a little more appealing but yea

>>7014232
Proportions in general; forehead too long; eyes distorted; right shoulder too long; hands; too big of an emphasis on the contour of the subject. Unironically, learn about gesture drawing (Vilppu) and find Steve Huston's head drawing course from NMA.

How can I improve my horse game?

>>7014502
give it a cock

>>7014502
Study Gold Ship for ideas on horse expressions.

>>7013745
Thank you for this. To me, it always felt like using grayscale sacrificed color depth.
>>7013953
I think it's due to the strap on her left that makes it look like that

>>7014502
study some anatomy
put more straights, not just curves
study some claire wendling https://youtu.be/q7UKQFDwHMQ?si=Poh3ZacZBw-CsnSX&t=398

Hi :) I'm looking for a cool artist to study from/emulate a bit. Based on these does anyone have any recomendations?

>>7014553
you might like pitch canker

>>7014555
damn thank you

>>7014553
Reminds me of Mason Lindroth's work, you might like him

>>7013996
>>7013999
Have gone through the first three books decently loosely, FDFAIW is the first one im trying to copy everything from.
Also i realize i retardedly wrote "hampton" when I was thinking about Bridgeman's works. I appreciate the help, but does anyone have suggestions about bridgeman's works to go through? Constructive anatomy or something else?
Thanks for the image too. I'll check some of these out too.

>>7014341
Maybe its a fetish?

trying to draw again

First time using MS Paint.

Some frieren copies

>>7014481
i love it, saved

Which book for me for this cartoony stuff? I think Loomis book might have useful things but I hate that I remember his stuff is ugly and teaching is ambiguous.

>>7014481
respect
>>7014361
No one can help without work bro just post your best try then it will be obvious where ur wrong
>>7013993
I suggest also ditheringg the background too (personally dont like how its all smooth compared to dither), I think what you're doing is cool I like it.
>>7013866
that's tasty!
>>7013794
that's good if you got your ass kicked, I see that you deviated from the reference, thats cool!
>>7013772
>>7013775
I think the "I got stuck, had no idea, but finally broke through" is a very human thing and you will be missing out on such success.

End me, how do I do the pelvis and shorts area? No matter how I draw them they always look off. Is the torso to big or something?

I'm completely new to drawing the pelvis area and legs, so I'm lost here

>>7014718
Aight bro, Imma work on it and then post... I didn't start anything at the time of posting so I just decided to jump right in.

>>7014486
>NMA
what's that?

>>7014725
Well, start by drawng a pelvis instead of attaching legs to a stomach.

>>7014725
I think it helps to visualize the legs and waist underneath the shorts. Should help you wrap the shorts around and get the folds to work better.

I strayed kind of far from your hips, but hope it makes sense with my lines.

>>7014725
Best tip is to draw the character naked and THEN draw clothes on her.

Alrighty, so been drawing since late September last year, and here is my first from life study (I think?).

I feel I did a decent enough job with her head (Learnt how to use the Loomis Method recently), but her torso was a tad too long and her legs don't feel right. Also her left arm is too long and I can't for the life of me draw fingers well.

This took me less than 30 minutes to draw for the record. Honest critiques are welcome I just wanna figure out how to draw the darn fingers/hands better.

>>7014796
When drawing hands and fingers, try breaking the hand down into multiple shapes. You can worry about individual finger placement when you have a good idea of how to draw a hand from multiple angles.

>>7014813
I do know how to shape hands to an extent from different angles, just dunno how to make it look convincing...

I would draw an example of how I do it but sadly I am about to go to bed and don't wanna draw again until tomorrow.

Maybe the next study I do I'll save the sketch lines for how I did the hands.

self portrait I did for college art assignment

>>7014742
New masters academy

Did some quick skull studies with the goal of understanding the general shape of the head better

>>7014796
You really got to pay attention to what you're referencing anon, overlay it often during the process if you have to. Correcting your own mistakes is how you grow. Also measure body parts against each other (proportions) and don't take your guides literally, the shoulders are not that straight and the chest and ass do not wrap around a perfect circle like that. Again, use the reference.

>>7014796
Start first by tracing.

>>7014840
go it!
thanks anon

>>7014725
The big issue I can see is that the perspective is wrong--the close leg appears smaller than the far leg. Notice the difference in >>7014757.

Longest I've spent on a pixel image.
Going to add more deets to the building beneath (and I know my buildings are slightly off perspective-wise), but how am I doing?

>>7014718
For cartooning, The Famous Artists Cartoon Course still holds up. A little dated but has multiple instructors so there should be some styles you like. Completely free since it's in the Pubic Domain.
https://archive.org/details/famous-artists-cartooning-course/

I'm trying to draw a girls head from an angle I've never drawn from before and it's really hard. I think I might just start a new drawing instead

>>7014889
post it i wanna see

>>7014851
I didn't want to dwell on it forever hence why certain mistakes were not addressed.

I'll try better next time, and yes I was careless with the construction shapes in that way with the ass.

>>7014502
her horses are sick but for now I looked elsewhere that is more simplified

>>7014552
>>7014928

>>7014868
I wouldn't consider this as pixel art, its more like aliased art. Pixel art is one of those things that sadly should follow certain criteria because is by product of limitations, reduce your color palette to 16 (you can use more or less but the idea is to create limitations) or less, get more comfortable with screentones and dithering this.

tl:dr: You are using way too many colors, dithering allows you to "fake" colors. Also I don't like the moon, and the view doesnt makes sense between the top and bottom buildings (unless they are containers...)

study snes games with great sprites like the mask, yoshi island, etc

Hello /ic/, how's my lineart? I've copied the pose from gunpla and I'm quite proud of how I managed to keep the proportions from becoming those of the ref instead of those of the subject.

>>7014956
awesome job anon,. i would suggest you vary your lineart pressure more otherwise it looks fantastic!

>>7014961
thanks kindly, i'm gonna do another pass of the outline then

>>7014956
clean ass lineart

>>7014744
>>7014787
>>7014862
Thanks for your guys' inputs

>>7014757
Thanks for that redline, I'll try to practice pelvis more

>>7014941
I see wym with the colors anon... I'll probably keep it as-is because I already started drawing the figure in there, and I've spent way too long on it to start working backwards. I'll probably work more on my perspective as well because that's murdering my ass and I need it to draw good buildings.

Thank you for your input and study recs!!!

Check it out friends, another Wonder Woman

Want to learn to draw but how do I start? Just draw random shit and get better through repetition and milage?

>>7015023
draw something you love with a style you love drawing and then perform objective honest analysis of how well you portrayed what was in your head, repeat until you are a professional

>>7015021
collar bones?
also, tranny face

>>7015027
They are covered with hair as to portray more realistic hair like how it covers the collar bones in real life.

>>7015030
u sure ?

>>7015031
Yea im pretty sure I dont get what youre trying to say, can you be more direct?

>>7015032

>>7015039
I wasnt using your picture for reference, why do you think your image is the objective female representation? The references I was using didnt have it as pronounced, does that answer your question or are you insinuating I made an objective fault? Please directly answer.

>>7015041
ok then post ur reference, also u have typing mannerisms that reek of autism, get that checked out

>>7015043
It sounds like you dont like people being direct because it exposes your true intention is not strictly helpful. In my art style, women dont have collar bones which you can't refute. I am mentally ill and autistic, my admitting that robs you of your power. Cry about it.

>>7015044
okay faggot i tried to help you but continue drawing ur grotesque tranny looking "girls", not my problem permabeg

>>7015045
Youre throwing a fit for being rejected like a girl
>oh nooooo anon thinks im autistic and le permabeg
id rather be autistic permabeg than a bully obsessed with collarbones.

>>7015047
>tries to help fellow beg in /beg/
>retard continues to act like its a personal attack on him just cause i corrected just one of the many obvious anatomy issues with references to back it up
>bro tries to act like im the bad guy
christ this board gets worse and worse every day

>>7015021
Just draw in the volume of the collar bone. It's a pretty simple fix, no?

>>7015050
Sorry guy, but just help the anons who need help and ignore the ones who don't want to accept help.

>>7015050
I do not want your help, you present yourself like an objective authority all the while name calling and being a prick, now lashing out for being rejected.

>>7015052
In my art style there is not a visible collar bone, I appreciate you trying to help. But I dont think thats an objective "fix" if my intention was to not draw a collar bone.

>>7015054
does your art style also warrant for everyone to look like a skinwalker tranny?

>>7015050
Half the people here posting shit art are shitposting. Like there is no way someone behaves this autisticly defensive about garbage art. So don't reply or engage with them.
>>7015021
Is so fucking garbage do you really think the person who drew this has an ego and is defensive about it? Posting it on a forum to critique art then get cry when someone gives critique? You really think anyone is this much a of a human trashcan? I hope not

>>7014796
>Alrighty, so been drawing since late September last year, and here is my first from life study (I think?).
What were you doing beforehand?
Start from page 20 of vilppu drawing manual

>drawing going well
>in the zone
>compelled to put my pencil down for fear of making a mistake and ruining it
how do i stop doing this retarded shit

dipping my toes in torso rendering, how bad is it?

>>7015069
Grab a sharpie and destroy it immediately. If you ever feel like this, it means the drawing has been posssessed by a demon. Your vital essence will be consumed as long as it's in your house, this is an EMERGENCY.

Trying to get some critique on this
Been told to work on value but is there anything more specific?

Appreciate it!

>>7015074
yummy chest, icky hips, meh arms.

>>7015054
collar bones anon here, im a beg and these sloppy revisions (INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF COLLAR BONES) that took 5 minutes to do makes ur steaming pile of shit 10x better, ur art style sucks and u need to face reality

>>7015069
Happened to me, i was making a fucking great drawing until i got to the eyes the right eye comes great but the left one gives me so much trouble that from so much erasing the whole drawing is ruined

>>7014941
Restricting yourself to 16 colors seems a bit much, and I think you are missing some of the most important parts of what makes pixel art what it is.

Pixel art is all about controlling your artwork down to the level of the individual pixel. This means not using fancy brushes, gradients or transparencies in your work. While this does tend to reduce the number of colors in a typical piece, the number of colors used is more a practical and stylistic consideration than anything like a hard limit.

Now if you are trying to emulate the style of a certain old system you can, and it can be great fun. However to do this you might as well use the specific color palette and resolution of the system you want to emulate. Simply reducing yourself to a small number of colors doesn't really do much to emulate that old style of pixel art.

>>7015080
>>7015094
I'm not even doing trad, I can erase as much as I want and edit things as I go but I still feel a command from god to take a break whenever I'm actually making good progress

focusing more on shapes and recognisability here cause i havent drawn these characters before

>>7015084
awkward pose, I'm assuming she's supposed to be flying but it looks like she's jumping or skipping along.
position of left arm is really bad
hair looks more like tattered cloth than hair
she's also very tall not sure if that's intentional

>>7012917
How do i draw this bat at this angle?

>>7015109
read keys to drawing

>>7015096

Sure you make good points, but the shortest and easiest advice was to limit the color pallete, with just this constraint you have to make tons of decisions that will let to better results.

Of course just using fewer colors won't make pixel art, there are many other considerations, abstraction, sprite size, tiling, dithering algorithms, etc. But I thought limiting colors and study good sprites would be more intuitive and shorter than "practice your dith gradation" or "learn how draw primitive shapes in multiple ways".

>>7015074
Where are her booba?

>>7015054
m8, there is no style here you are just bad.
nothing wrong with being so, everybody starts somewhere. But face the facts and keep practicing.

How do you proportion the ribcage-egg construction? I can't figure how to estimate the right width for it.

>>7015160
I always found that placing ellipses where the arms connect helps reveal any issues

>>7015160
Seconding this, the proportions of it are confusing at the concave part

>>7015092
holy appeal

>>7015160
http://www.hartmanillustration.com/human-proportions-for-figure-drawing/
Solid resource for skeletal proportions in general. It says ribcage is as wide as 1.25 heads, so approximately the length of the head+neck.

>>7015054
Ladies and gentlemen you have witnessed a perfect example of a permabeg. He only destroys himself. The only enemy is him

Working on my force drawing.

>>7014593
Ah, Bridgman. More suited for intermediate artists in my opinion, there is a lot of interpretation you have to do to decipher his sloppy drawings. Modern anatomy and figure drawings books will be a lot easier to study from.
Constructive Anatomy is fine. Most use Complete Guide to Drawing from Life, which is complication of most of his stuff.

This video explains why his drawings are so sloppy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ERO4Duqao

Vandruff has a free boot camp on Bridgman.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf3dvAURflO-mJ-fbhWMBxs1pwX7zuhik

Jeff Watts' approach is worth checking out too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgC8j-1eOYY

Complete and utter beginner and looking for instructions after reading the sticky.
I tried reading drawing from the right side of the brain and i simply couldn't get into it. I was also looking into keys to drawing and The Art and Science of Drawing. Should i stick to those two and then try DftRS or just stick to any particular book?
I was also wondering if Draw a Box could be good for improving my line quality since i really like felt tip pens and want to work with mostly inks, I've read people who only do that shit end up never improving so is there a recommended balance between both?

>>7015248
>i simply couldn't get into it
What does that even mean?
>Draw a Box could be good for improving my line quality
The first few lessons go over some line quality exercises, the wasting your time part is probably the 250 boxes. In the end the more you draw the more comfortable your pen handling will be.

>>7015248
>Complete and utter beginner and looking for instructions after reading the sticky.
Welcome, fren
>I tried reading drawing from the right side of the brain and i simply couldn't get into it. I was also looking into keys to drawing and The Art and Science of Drawing. Should i stick to those two and then try DftRS or just stick to any particular book?
Keys to Drawing, Eviston’s beg course, Proko’s beg course, and Betty Edwards are all different ways of learning the same thing: how to see. You gotta draw what you actually see instead of what you think you see. That’s step zero. They all teach observational accuracy. Eviston, Proko, and KtD (to a lesser extent) also teach some shading, forms and volumes, perspective, and some other stuff. Proko’s beg course is probably most complete/well-rounded, but, like I said, step 0 is learning to see and they all teach that. Brent Eviston or KtD or Proko will work. I’d try all of them to test, and stick with the one you learn from best. Once you’re done with that, you can move on and don’t really need to do do any of the others. (Proko’s fundies course might be worth trying if you do one of the others, though. It covers lots of ground.) You could also try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtd6uwNFl9k&list=PLMXbAPr21di-Ox-dmDwL2riWedei1dn9S which is very thorough, and free (legally). Anyway, you don’t need to do DOtRS if you’ve done one of the others.
>I was also wondering if Draw a Box could be good for improving my line quality
Yes. The first few lessons of DAB are also pretty good at brute-forcing the ability to feel the form. It’s basically an autistic version of Dynamic Sketching, only free.
>since i really like felt tip pens and want to work with mostly inks, I've read people who only do that shit end up never improving so is there a recommended balance between both?
Can’t help you there, I mostly do digital and rarely ballpoint or pencils. Sorry.

>>7015047
Lmao what a retard. Good luck my friend you are going to need it with that attitude

>>7015248
Try Keys to Drawing instead, the chapters on shading and perspective are cool and Drawing on the Right Side of the brain lacks

>>7015092
collar bones raise with the arm. if both arms are up, both collar bones are up. you drew them like arms are not raised. if youre gonna be a collar bone autist you gotta commit

>>7015307
am i hallucinating?

What do you think about pic rel? Is it soul? (not my work just curious)

>>7015346
I mean, just to be clear, I posted cause I really liked this, obviously in a /beg/-autistic way, and storytelling is truly good so IMO its S0VL

>>7013996
After finishing keys to drawing, can I do perspective before construction?

>>7015231
Bridgman shills can suck a cock. You seem to need a degree on deciphering wtf his students were frankensteining together with his works. Rather than a coherent and consistent educational work, it's hearsay. People are better off with Hampton or Morpho

>>7015066
Before I started drawing?

Well frankly my motor skills were non existant which is the first issue, so I spent a good while building up my motor skills and my observation skills (obviously still not quite there yet but trust me, way better than they were in late September).

So I was mainly doing studies of Burne Hogarth drawings and learning how to actually hold a pen.

Now I can do that, that study I did as flawed as it was genuinely took me less than 20-30 minutes to do, when before hand it would have taken me ages (and it would have looked worse).

One major issue I have is due to a certain someone I knew (who was ruined by this flaw I am about to mention) his perfectionism actually damaged him badly and he always advised that I should just "not spend too much time on most things" to avoid essentially stagnating and fixating for too long, as a result not really learning properly or burning out.
So I do tend to rush sometimes and leave errors in which I would have otherwise noticed.

Could I have a link to the Vilppu drawing manual? I have the videos but not the book.

>>7015538
>>7015538
>>7015538


>>7015538
>>7015538

>>7015362
you're like a blue-pilled npc, who needs a coherent textbook to handhold them through a complex skill. You don't yet understand that you can learn to draw simply by studying images, and Bridgman as a collection of images is a great well of drawing knowledge to draw from. Learn to think for yourself, fren

>>7014358
Fellow KoF fan.. you're gmi