/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6980594
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

taco copies

>>6980611
are you left handed?

hi ic, almost done with the thing from the other day, i took the advice and moved the ships so they point more towards the center
now i'm not sure where to place the battle in the background so as to not distract the eye too much

There's little appeal when copying from photos of models.

Do I actually want to be an artist or not?
I don't know if I just like the idea of doing it or actually doing it. I want to be an artist, but I can barely actually do any of the art. It's inseparable. It'd be like me trying to be a body builder without lifting weights.
If I wanted to actually do anything, then wouldn't I just be doing it? I should give up.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to
do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, i literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. I'm 24 and I've made literally zero progress in trying to learn and the only other time before that was when I was like 12.

I won’t be drawing for this thread, either.

>>6980633
No, you don't actually want to be an artist. Move on and fuck off.

>>6980633
I've given up on tennis, rugby, water polo (was decently good at this), uni, auto mechanics, bartending (recreational ig?) and singing (was also good at that according to the instructor)

but then again maybe i would've stayed in any of those if they had actually been gratifying

mom or dad telling you "wow you're so good!" is obviously not enough for anyone, you need to find what thrills you

>>6980633
I mean, you tried drawing, gamedev and cgi. These are very difficult things, people go to school for years to learn them. Could it be that they're so overwhelming you just can't start? Are you anxious before starting artistic things?

still figuring out the BG

>>6980633
HOWIE SCHIZO DO NOT RESPOND

>>6980655
I literally couldn't even understand the UIs. I'm someone who can't even figure out how to get the perimeter or a rectangle. I'm anxious and I feel depressed and I feel like crying about trying to do art because of my lack of progress and inability to actually do any of it. I haven't even been able to do basic fundamentals or anything like that. My mind and body just locks up and I think "What the fucks the point?" Before I just look at my phone again.

>>6980665
>before I just look at my phone again.

Well there's your problem, you've been poisoned by instant gratification.

>>6980665
Having three threads dedicated to your pity party isn't enough for you Howie Schizo?

>>6980667
Well what do I do about it? Even without my phone I feel like just staring at a wall.

Watercolor negative painting 1st attempt.

The chaotic flow was imposible to achieve on the 3-4th layers, hence the sloppiness on dark areas.. I'm afraid this is due me using 25% cotton watercolor paper and possibly low quality paint. But I will try it again later.

>>6980659
looking excellent, i assume you still have to define the darkest shadows and brightest highlights

going to use black and white next
not super satisfied with it but its ok

>>6980681
yeah, I just laid down a "light sketch" to figure out how would it look.

>>6980665
well, there you go. You can't do it because it's hard and you give up immediately. Even if you switched fields, you'd have the same exact problem. You have to set up a routine, be consistent and avoid distraction. The brain can heal from being fucked with vidya and fapping in some months. Trust me i'm a psychiattist

>>6980692
How do you do this? Even without my phone I just sit and stare at a wall doing nothing. Even when I was a kid and didn't have the obsession with my phone, and the internet, it was like this.

>>6980673
>>6980667
>>6980665
>>6980655
>>6980699

It's a classic case of a life without challenge. Unironically get a job. You're not going to find a way with your dick in your left hand and phone in your right, you need some external challenge to push you through this.

>>6980699
Try setting a thirty minutes timer on your phone during which you don't touch it and just draw anything

actually shaping up better than expected

>>6980699
an actual psychologist, support from your parents, support from your friends. New clothes, haircut, in general stuff that make you feel nice, eating well, sleeping well. If you're a stoner reduce the weed. A part time chill job would also help a lot. Go live somewhere else, rent an apartment with roommates to avoid suicide and pay your rent with some simple job.
FR, if you're in that kind of situation, just try to do basic things like these, even this will be hard.
Then you can consider art once you're out of this rough spot

>>6980618
no why, because of my fucked up hand writing?

>>6980659
imho the background feels very flat because the mech is weirdly centered and takes up all space, i'd add some dynamism like picrel (just an example, you do you)

>>6980700
I have a job and I still can't do anything. I can barely get through a single shift.

>>6980676
Without having any actual experience with watercolor myself, I still think you might have to thin your paints a lot more.

>>6980659
imho the background feels very flat because the mech is weirdly centered and takes up all space, i'd add some dynamism like picrel (just an example, you do you))

>>6980594
Time to color

adding kawaii cat ears later

>>6980703
I usually need my phone for referencing though.

will i be gimping myself if i dont draw the women in xiao weichun's anatomy book. i fucking hate women.

>>6980717
nta but you don't want the main focus of the drawing to be smaller

>>6980732
>i fucking hate women.
drop weichun and pick up bridgman then

>>6980594
Is that Phos being a fucking dumbass in the op?

>>6980735
i like weichun a bit more for the retard construction pages - and his males still look good

>>6980594

Daily reminder not to skip your fundies because you can only tackle more advanced things after you have a good grasp on the "easier ones"
Boxes and circles are not easy and you can only know that after you fail, get better, rinse and repeat
Several years of high effort training are needed to become a somewhat decent illustrator and the bulk of it is drawing the human figure

Damn, it looks some weird

how can i get better at digital painting?

>>6980750
Arm is too short and tits too low. If you redraw the ribcage on top of it you'll see it

>>6980711
I'm seeing a psychiatrist and all they're doing is changing my dosage of medicine.

>>6980632
Do you draw out un the wild? With your skill level you might get very cool encounters

>>6980633
This is what no fundies does to a mf

>>6980746
This is amazing, anon. I will save it to study later.

>>6980767
I'm trying to learn how to. How do I do it?

>>6980759
Lol, nope. If by "in the wild" you mean outside.
>>6980632
I think the key to drawing a good figure is to invent as much as observe. It is all in appealing shapes. Anon above with series of poses is simply amazing.

I'm getting mogged by kindergander children paintings. How do I cope? All I wanted here was even brushwork but even that is just hard

>>6980594
Planning on copying Bridgeman. Which one should I do?
Bridgeman's Guide to Life Drawing or Bridgeman Anatomy?

Wanted to take a break from drawing bald heads and draw my dog

>>6980781
>proceeds to draw a bald headed dog
sasuga anon

>>6980594
Sorry if this is unrel to the thread but here's a beg friendly discord that has a active community, we try to be friendly. Hope to see your there frens!

https://discord.com/invite/98svaRTJ

>>6980781
Your dog looks like an old man's scrotum

>>6980781
I think the dog looks good.

>>6980722
Mwah

>>6980633
this is a copy pasta, and you fell for it

>>6980774
You know how it goes Howie
You gotta lay under the master for 10 days and he teaches you the trade

>>6980832
You’re a copy pasta!

Hampton leg stuff now
>>6980611
Oh, that’s interesting. Looking pretty good, anon
>>6980619
That looks really cool
>>6980632
You’re probably at the level where it would be good to copy artists you like to internalize the style/shape design you like. Then you’ll be able to stylize from life and inject appeal and exaggerate what you think looks cool.
>>6980659
I’d make the bg lower contrast and less detailed/colorful/exciting than the mech. Sweet robot though.
>>6980684
>>6980704
>>6980722
Looks really good. It doesn’t look photorealistic, but it’s believable as a real human likeness. Can we see the ref? You’re the Reilly anon, right? Good progress.
>>6980746
Beautiful, fluid shapes, highly appealing. I would like to see what it looks like when you draw men. Do you have anything more finished?
>>6980750
Cute
>>6980720
Very clean lines.
>time to color
You probably already know value is far more important than color. I wonder if it would be better to think of it as “time to paint”
>>6980753
Do proko or Eviston’s beg course or Betty Edwards’s book or KtD. Then Vilppu or LoveLifeDrawing
>>6980754
Learn to draw while you work on painting. I recommend the above resources. In the beginning, you should paint in black and white to understand values and shapes and edges well. Look up the 2 value system and watch Marco Bucci’s stuff. >>6980775
These look great!
>>6980776
Art’s hard. Just keep going, fren. “If you quit while you suck, you’ll suck forever.” - Mori Calliope apparently
>>6980779
The one with the most drawings
>>6980781
Cute!

>>6980779

>>6980806
Anon why are you kissing a drawing? Stop being weird

>>6980788
kek
>>6980793
What we call him most of the time can be roughly translated to "The Shitter"
>>6980799
Thanks
>>6980846
>Cute!
Thank you

i will never find an old retired master who will take me under his wing and entrust me with his legacy....

>>6980863
Have you even tried contacting any of them via email/phone?

How do you know?

>>6980768
im glad you like it
>>6980846
>Beautiful, fluid shapes, highly appealing. I would like to see what it looks like when you draw men. Do you have anything more finished?
no men, no full figure finishes, just some old cropped rendered finishes ive done in the past. I dont have time for long art sessions, so i stick to a quick sketch figure drawings

>>6980869
the master i'm looking for would be living as a hermit in the countryside without a phone or computer

>>6980874
Sounds like you need to move to the country and start knocking on straners’ doors.
You’re not a nigger, are you?

>draw figures, be proud of them
>look at them today, can see a bunch of flaws
>back to square one
Is this how you progress? Having a mini breakthrough and seeing your old drawings as shit and redoing everything from square one, doing fundamentals until yoi're proud of your figures again amd thinking they are shit by the end of [insert whatever timeframe it takes]?

>>6980722
lmao looks like she has a really tiny neck

>>6980876
yes that's called development

>>6980876
keep going

>>6980717
I'm the anon who posted this. I think the answer is somewhere in the middle, I will try positioning the mech slighty to the right, idk, somethin somethin asymetrical composition.

How do I use my /beg/ art to help me get a girlfriend? Like come on, a little help would be appreciated here. I did have girlfriend 4 years ago, but I have a big block, like an art block, like you give me a pencil and I don't know how to draw a line with it. I really dont know how I would get a gf.

>>6980891
art will never get you a gf, at best it'll be a nice bonus if she's into that or enjoys your work.

>>6980878
yeah i forgot to make it a bit darker around the hair to show that its obscuring the neck

>>6980871
why are you scared of legs

>>6980846
nice job but why do you draw the skeleton they are inside of us but why draw them, why not just go directly to leg

>>6980720
nice trace bro

>>6980846

damn... do I need to memorize all these to be a good artist? shits look cool but I don't have the brainpower for this.

>>6980846

>>6980890
Does this look better? feel like it has flow. Maybe I can put a destroyed ship on the left back side to complete the a story.

>>6980907
timer on the pose runs out and i just move on. i love drawing legs and playing with different shapes and designs, here are some sketches i did when i was focusing on that part of the body.

>>6980918
Wut? No
I know my fundies enough

>>6980947
Just kidding looks good, you have some construction under there? would love to see it

>>6980936
Do you ever do finished pieces or just meme gesture

>>6980926
I think before going through the eviston gesture part you should do his fundies sections first anon.

But your bottom right copy is good.

>>6980952
Looks like I have already deleted the first sketch, sorry
It's always a mess of lines anyway

>>6980954
no full figure finishes, just some old cropped rendered finishes ive done in the past. I dont have time for long art sessions, so i stick to a quick sketch figure drawings

stuff

>>6980962

>I dont have time for long art sessions

is your goal to be an art teacher?

>>6980973
Very nice. Have you picked it back up after you stopped drawing in the past? You have good hang of proportions.

>>6981011
thanks man and naah, i've been just getting real into anatomy(the very basics. nothing too intense) lately and studying proportions from ref. prolly too early for me, but it's been interesting to see how the body works

>>6980746
>>6980871
>>6980936
what did you study/follow to achieve this... incredible

>>6980962
so you're a permabeg then, why did you start drawing if you're never going to create something?

>>6981045
it's from huston

Sup beg. It is hard to feel the form.

>>6980960
put the eyes a liiitle closer
>>6980934
definitely better composition: robot vs mountain
>>6980876
thats how it plus minus works. you draw something, it looks good, then you level up during sleep and next day your evolved eyes notice all the errors you couldnt see yesterday. feels beg
>>6980776
kindergarden children are drawing since like age 2 and they have no shame or ego holding them back. never underestimate the little shits!
>>6980775
BOOBA
>>6980732
if you hate women then simply dont draw them? like why would you force yourself to draw something you dont like? just become full fledged gay drawer: men with men only on canvas. just like ancient greece art
>>6980722
nice
>>6980619
use the power of overlapping and perspective to add DEPTH. do not put it next to each other like this: its boring and flat. Make some ships LARGE and overlap other ships or the robot. the pink beams needs to be thicker and again some beams should cross whole canvas and be overlapped. also get some actual space photo and steal its look for your piece: in space not all stars have same size and intensity

>>6981064
>just become full fledged gay drawer: men with men only on canvas. just like ancient greece art
Ngl, thats was kinda inspiring

>>6980732
are you gay by chance? The body of the woman is complete, it has 2 x chromosomes, it is the perfect form of a human, the pinnacle of human beauty is in the form of a woman.

>>6980619
The drawing is good, but the problem is the composition. It looks like a cutscene image of a video game where the character in the big robot is talking over his walkie talkie to someone and not actually doing something, needs more action and dynamism.

How come all women start looking ugly after 20?

Whats the best source to find form shapes and such?

>>6981064
the linework appears to have regressed since fwap but ygmi for working through it where 99/100 would either stop or quit

>>6980934
>that mountain
remember reach
good shit though this composition feels solid, keep going mech chad

>>6981064
dios mio... la danza de las creaturas

Rate my shading and lighting style.

>>6980936
>>6980846
>>6980746
the eternal sketchlets

>>6981131
>eternal PYWlet

>>6981131
>>6981054
PYW ultracrab

>be 15
>work at a small local zoo
>have to shovel rocks into a container
>guy comes and tells me what to do, then tells me when I'm done I can play with my balls or whatever
>think I misheard him
>need to ask him a question, visit him where they eat lunch and do paperwork
>there is a giant fucking dolphin dildo right on the fucking table
>leave
>saw the dude use the toilelt 40 minutes ago
>need to go to toilet
>go there, open the door, dude sits there reading papers since I saw him going in there
>could see his dick and balls
>tells me," OH anon you needed to use the bathroom to play with your balls? Don't worry I leave soon
>stopped going there the next day
>a few months later read he was arrested for having CP

help me to find a reference for a hand in that position

>>6981139
oh shit sorry that was meant for a thread on /r9k/ I'm 28 now so don't ban me I'm not underage how do you delete posts btw?

>>6981140
Purchase a mirror

I need some Hair references, where I can find them?

>>6981138
I have. It's somewhere in this thread, start guessing nigga.

>>6981153
Uhm anon IDK if you know about this, but there is something called "The internet" and there you cna use something called "google" also something called "google pictures" and inside google there is also a cool program called "Pinterest" with thousands of cool pictures, try it out!

Oh and don't forget that when you open these websites that you type in what you are looking for, for instance: "Hair styles woman" You can even google "Hairstyles woman drawn stylized"

Try it out, it's insane new technology.

How's my driving?
Need general critique pretty please.

>>6981183
stupid useless bird

Are there tutorials about picking colors that aren't boring to look at

>>6981183
this isn't a blueboard you don't need to censor faggot

>>6981140
It looks like a pose you'd use to advertise watches, maybe try searching that

>>6981193
What's a blueboard?

>>6981198
Those are the sfw boards like /diy/.

>>6981190
I know

>>6981164
thank you!

Did I do this correctly? I tried to redline the bones and muscles for the shoulders and neck, something about the clavicle looks wrong I think

another attempt at this I think I got the right proportions this time

>>6981183
pretty good no real qualms with it

(our) left shoulder is a bit too big probably, (pit of the) neck bit too far left. draw the center point of the ribcage to see what i mean.

I say do some more detailed lighting and push values

>>6981208
I'm not a pro by any means, and my observation is shit, but your redline lacks a lot of depth to the forms you're using (they don't look convincingly 3D); I would try to practice more observational drawing + cubes / spheres / cylinders first, before trying to break down the human body.

My "blind leading the blind" attempt at helping, I'm sure there's much better people in this thread that could offer better advice / a better demonstration

>>6981229

>>6981233

>>6980611
How long have you been drawing?

didnt mean to (you) lol

>>6981254
No problem, that gives me an excuse to spam up this thread with more of my poorly drawn shitposts

Verification not required

>>6981254

this melatonin got me buggin fr

>>6981248
since april why

ive been copying the morpho simplified anatomy stuff but i think im retarded and dont actually understand what it is im supposed to be learning when I copy stuff. Like I dont know what im looking for. Eventually I want to do >>6980611
Taco stuff because I like the way his figures are drawn but I want to know what it is im doing first.

>>6981292
>>6981292
WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN ME?

>>6981320
How often and how long do you draw? Are you memeing? I literally only copied from a boom it's easy

>>6981321
book*

>>6981321
wHY AER YOU BETTE?

>>6981320
he's better than you because he's not a lazy piece of shit. you deserve your anguish.

>>6981300
it's not quite a complete figure drawing compendium like vilppu or hampton but more of a supplementary book to help figure out construction when you're figure drawing
if you actually pay attention and internalize the important landmarks of the simplified body you'll learn from doing morpho for sure

>>6981323
I propably draw more than you if you're being serious, but to me I'm still very very bad and shit

>>6981331

>>6981330
sHOW ME more of your real drawings you shit eater
moron
>>6981324
i wasnt lazy, i did my studies, i just didnt improve

>>6981354
I don't really do real drawings since I'm still learning but I did this one in october which obviously isn't a finished piece but it's the closest I have

As I said i'm still shit, just because I can copy doesn't mean that I'm good at inventing

>>6981367
Im sorry anon, it looks ok, keep the practice
sorry for earlier

It is the night
My body's weak
I'm on the run
No time to sleep
I've got to draw
draw like the wind
To be free again


And I've got such a long way to go
(Such a long way to go)
To make it to the border of Mexico
So I draw like the wind, draw like the wind


I was born the son of a drawless man
Always spoke my mind with a pen in my hand
Lived nine lives
penned down ten
Gonna draw like the wind


And I've got such a long way to go
(Such a long way to go)
To make it to the border of Mexico
So I draw like the wind, draw like the wind
Gonna draw like the wind


Accused and tried and told to hang
I was nowhere in sight when the AI generated bells rang
Never was the kind to do as I was told
Gonna draw like the wind before I get old


It is the night
My body's weak
I'm on the run
No time to sleep
I've got to draw
Draw like the wind
To be free again


And I've got such a long way to go
To make it to the border of Mexico
So I'll draw like the wind
Draw like the wind


GONNA DRAW LIKE THE WIND
draw
DDDDDRRRRAAAAWWWWW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omJVYvNdnu8

>>6981404
messy but good forms. weird fetish though i'll admit

tablet is a pain, should i put it at an angle?
these are a few 5 min gestures from today. I am trying to take it slow and place good lines and describe forms. Should 5 minute figures be more detailed?

>>6981466
Try spending a few days drawing at different angles to test which one suits you

One exercise I would also try is trying to draw as much in one long slow line as possible. Might help with speed, slow is smooth, smooth is fast

What's the most important thing to focus on when figure drawing. Gesture, structure, or anatomy?

>>6981494
Drawing good figures of which those three are parts of the whole.
Look at the forest not the trees.

>>6981470
thank you moai anon I will try that
>>6981494
>>6981499
yes true. personally I tell myself that I'm trying to create the illusion of 3d in 2d space and make decisions based on that idea. giving a good sense of volume is intrinsic to a good drawing i believe

>>6981466
Try shit out. But if it's a screenless tablet it's probably easiest on your wrist just having it flat on the table.

>>6981502
>yes true. personally I tell myself that I'm trying to create the illusion of 3d in 2d space and make decisions based on that idea. giving a good sense of volume is intrinsic to a good drawing i believe
nta but this is my core belief too.

>>6981466
I put mine at an angle (using a bookstand), plus put some wood underneath it (the tablet) to raise the drawing surface way more.

>>6981530
Rotation

>>6981531

nobody wants to see your hand btw its just not that interesting sorry to break it to you

>>6981542

Do you guys think it would be a good idea to start a project like Pawell, posting daily on Deviantart about daily practice to motivate you?

Or is it cringe to be such a copycat?

Or counterproductive to put such pressure on yourself to post daily?

>>6981564
do you think Pawell has made good progress?

>>6981566
I cannot judge his progress. Right now he is a bit rusty from FWAP book torture, but he does have some good draws under his belt (perspective drawings and his art for City of God). Plus mileage and external motivation are good in themselves I think.

>>6981564
why would you post it on deviantart
just post it here like our favourite schizo does

>>6981564
in the times of yore many anons posted everyday to stay motivated. Plenty made it. Do what you think motivates you

Do people still use flockmod?

>>6981564
just do it on twatter, that's what i'm doing. if i make it, people will be able to actually see how i started off

>>6981564

>>6977696

>>6981320
If this is all the drawings you did to improve, you didn't do enough. There you go. Mystery solved.
Do more.

Alright, I'm new to figure drawing and I need someone to tell me if I'm doing it right.

>>6980594
Some anons here recommend doing Bargue plates and Keys to Drawing, but how tf to measure in digital?

>>6981600
draw real people

>>6980676
Did you enjoy the process, though? I'm interested to see how yours will turn out once you're finished. What paint line did you try for it?
I tried it a few months ago, found it pretty difficult to get the right control. That, and waiting for each layer to dry was a killer

>>6981600
when doing figure drawing at your level i think it would benefit you greatly to focus on flow now instead of later this will help you so much,

when doing a gesture drawing focus on exaggerating the pose and focus on the silhouette, try and convey the pose with free-flowy lines. study the negative shapes as well. It's a lot but the point should be to do a lot in a short period to pick up on these forms naturally and easily.

>>6981600
Completely new?
You shouldn't be doing the figure that detailed. Start with simple lines and gesture. The reason this is important is, already as shown in your own art, without it it's very stiff, it's also why it's suggested to use simple lines. The complex forms may distract you and cause you to accidentally stiffen the pose.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkHosWORUv7upSk7NWEqK3fe5gkek9Zl&si=ZfgE08Xm8I4nJRuL

>>6981648
when doing ktd i measured exactly as you would on paper, had a reference up on a second screen, took a guess in my head ["i think the ribs are twice as tall as the head"], placed a dot on my canvas, then measured with my stylus pen to check. it's kinda awkward since you have to be a little far away from your ref monitor to hold your arm out, but it works. using any digital tool has the same problem as using perspective rulers instead of freehanding it while learning, you just start relying on the tool instead of learning the underlying logic that's so fundamental to skilled drawing

>>6981683

>>6981542
>>6981545
>>6981534
>>6981466
I'm sorry to "hand" it to you, but this happened to be a reference picture that I already had on "hand" for a study I was doing.

I have to say it really came in "handy" because that meant I wouldn't have to take another picture of my setup to get the basic idea across (to the original anon asking if he should have his tablet at an angle).

Rendering practice from last night was definitely a "handful", but ultimately I was able to "handle" it.

>>6981445
Tentacles are weeb shit. Yet it’s not drawn in an anime style so it’s just all around terrible.

>>6981697
>Neanderthal mewing

Am I on the right track with robo bean?

>>6981697
what does this mean

>>6981600

crit on rendering? i'm tryna learn it

>>6981712
Good, keep going.
>>6981600
Indication of form is good, work on proportion. Try more Vilppu-esque, wrap around the form to connect limbs like he does instead of plotting cross-contours.
>>6981721
Nice colours but the lighting directions are inconsistent. e.g., the light coming from the right and rim light from the left suggest the front plane of the nose should be in shadow like the chin and philtrum. The whole cranium shouldn't be a flat value.

i still can't draw
on another note, should beginners use tapering lines? I feel like it adds SOMETHING but dealing with them makes me wish i were dead

>>6981697
is this a correction or are you pointing out the problem with my drawing

>>6981300
The other anon is correct. First you need to learn to draw the rough forms and body, preferebly like hampton or vilppu, then you need to read books like taco or morpho to further flesh your drawings out, no black magick to it just practice.

>>6981737
its a problem, you didn't bother to add values to the front of the hair near the top of the head and it tricks the viewer's eye to seeing that part of the forehead as the shape of his underlying head. making him look like a neanderthal.

>>6981751
ah I see
It's always good to get a fresh perspective on things it's the sort of impression that would be lost on me because I've been looking at the drawing for too long - Thank you for letting me know
so I need to indicate a harsher slope on the forehead

>>6981770
your values overall are still good, it feels like you might be lacking a certain confidence in rendering but I feel like you're just on the cusp of being great! keep up the good work.

Any thoughts? How are body proportion? How shadows?

>>6981779
Instead of doting the shadows here and there try to merge them into a few shapes. I recommend this video by ctrl+paint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjKKiNjvBM

>>6981783
Nice video, thx.

Any thoughts? Looking for HARSH critique please, because I think it looks like shit.
Don’t pay attention to the background

>>6981714
retarded nigger tier skull shape kinda like yours
OOGA BOOGA

>>6981730
I would defenitly suggest begs to avoid thin tapering brushes.

>>6981809
damn I hope it isn't a consistent problem in my work

>>6981684
>>6981688
Gotcha, thanks for the playlist. Gesture as a concept kinda eludes me. It feels a lot more abstract then structure or anatomy is, and making it feel 3d is very difficult.
>>6981717
>>6981729
Obligatory thanks. I've tried reading one of Vilpus books a long time ago, but I couldn't understand much of it.

critique me someone?

>>6981683

must be tiring doing all those small strokes.

>>6981853
So hot

>>6981721

Get the base right and it'll be easier to render. You got a weird alien skull going on.

>>6981861
I'm trying to work on making my stuff look more painterly and work in broader strokes but I can't commit to it
Also on this scale this is the largest partially transparent brush I can use on Mspaint to create halftones and such

>>6981564
I usually gather my weekly studies and excercises, and post them to my socials on fridays, it doesn't motivate me much but it taught me to stop giving a shit about what people on Twitter would think about my skill level.

Thoughts? I feel like shading is impossible. I watch shading tutorials and they're like "Alright here's a ball, here's the terminator line and the reflected light, glhf" and I just can't get a grasp of it.

how the fuck do i become a construct chad? i can only look at something and draw it using simple shapes then refine it. trying to draw a head or body using fucking spheres and boxes and shit never makes sense to me. i can do buildings and objects okay but anything organic fucks my brain right up

>>6981930
what brush is that? actually looks like a blue pencil

>>6981932
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1869224
it should be free

Bros, I think the blook grind is actually working, I'm starting to understand why Loomis puts each shape in its respective position. Like here how the squares on either side of the ball form nice cheeks (although the unfinished one's right cheek is a little malformed I think)
>>6981916
Might be too early to say but drawing the funny bald cartoon men might actually be the answer

>>6981916
Have you looked at morpho?

Be honest with me brothers, ~3 days ago I picked up a pen and pencil for the first time in a very long amount of years, I drew some anime girls and then drew the upside-down fellow from the google document and realised that drawing real people is equally as fun.
I'm enjoying it a lot right now and am going to continue regardless, but wanted to know if I am doing alright

>>6981916
Here's a demo
>>6981937
I can attest to the effectiveness of this

>>6981950
A little janky but you're doin' fine anon keep at it.

I think I'm starting to understand Loomis

>>6981967
Our hero...

>>6981950
ask after 3 years

>>6981950
I'm three months in and i can't do anything anywhere as good.

>Think about drawing this weekend for the nth weekend
>End up not doing it(again)
How do i change that?

>>6982007
Just do it.
Is the unironic device. Force yourself to pick up the pen and paper, or tablet and pen, and just get to it. Then do it again the next day. And the next. And it will stick.

>>6982009
advice*

>>6982009
I don't think i'll be able to sleep much tonight either way so might as well do some late-night drawing.
I'll start Loomis again. I've done it twice but i haven't learned shit.

Any advice on how to comprehend that guy? Do i copy everything i see in that book?

Unfinishd still life after not doing still life for a while. I should have rather warmed up with some Keys-to-drawing style loose drawings, but Im glad I took the challenge.

>>6982007
Ignore feelings just push pencil. 10 minutees a day is much better than being a nodraw.
>comfortable clothes
>good music
>clean desk
helps a lot too
>>6981951
can you post some of your finished work? Im curious what your art is like
>>6981950
do not use lined paper and go big, going big will only support you.
>>6981898
I think what you're asking is how the light physically behaves, for which I can not link a good video cause thats beyond my skill. But, I look at your drawing and after some time I can see she is holding a weapon, but what is between the weapon and her I can not see. From her body it looks like she is sitting with the nice big ass, her knees above her pelvis. But then I see her feet down there and see she is supposed to be standing. So for me its hard to see what you wanted to illustrate.
>>6981853
did you purposely change her? Good drawing, but if that was supposed to be accurate then I would say the fat of her body is lost, yours is a fit girl who works out and lots of vegetables
>>6981797
It is soul, but the way you have used sharp lines to draw the character on the left and then these extremely smooth gradients on the hair, everywhere I see that, it just screams /beg/.
>extremely smooth color transitions that dont show form on left character
>shoulders drawn with very sharp lines
if you could fix these two then it would improve a whole lot IMO
>>6981679
I enjoyed it, but the final layers I put on, they were very "overworked" and ruined it. Yours is very soul. I myself have used a hairdryer to speed up the process.
>>6981648
surely you have some ruler tool

>>6982011
>I'll start Loomis again. I've done it twice but i haven't learned shit.
>Any advice on how to comprehend that guy? Do i copy everything i see in that book?
you dont. you will never learn anything from that hack.
learn the Reilly method instead.

>>6982031
>gnore feelings just push pencil. 10 minutees a day is much better than being a nodraw.
>>comfortable clothes
>>good music
>>clean desk
>helps a lot too
Should i resume my studies with physical or digital. Digital is much more accessible but idk if i won't miss out on something if i go with that

>>6982033
>learn the Reilly method instead.
explain it briefly please.

>>6982034
you are missing out already by not drawing. Just grab whatever is closer to you, you can make up your mind after some drawing

>>6982039
I'll start tomorrow becasue its really late right now.
Will share whatever i do tmrvv.

>>6982041
>Start tomorrow
Anon...

>>6982041
Unless you're going to bed right this minute to get a full 8 hours: You've already lost

>>6982041
Just one mark. That's all we're asking before you rest. One line on paper (or digital if you prefer). That's an easy way to build the daily drawing habit.

>>6981888
>>6981729
late answer but thanks, managed to tie it together
alien skull is a real problem for me lmao

>>6982041
>I'll start tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGL1x40p46s

>>6982043
>Anon...
...
>>6982045
>Unless you're going to bed right this minute to get a full 8 hours: You've already lost
Not 8 hours but yes. I'm getting to bed right this instant literally right now
>>6982049
Done. Did doodle a bit, will do more tomorrow.

>>6982058
Good job, any progress is better than 0.

todays stuff. learning the simplified rib + pelvis has been cool. feels like i understand a lil bit better when it comes to actually using boxes for em

>>6982075
Very cool, have you been studying any specific books?

>>6982081
just using stuff like sketchfab to look at models. being able to rotate stuff has been pretty helpful

How is this looking, going to blend and stuff.
Not sure how to place the facial features. It always looks slightly off and it's jarring.

>>6980594
>>6977003
what is the dragon traced from?

>>6982052
aight i think i kinda get it
crit on rendering?

>>6982060
to do drawings is not equal progress somewhere

Posting sketches

aight bald men ftw

>>6982135

>>6982137

And 3 fun ones

>>6982135
these go hard

>>6982135
>>6982137
>>6982138
>>6982140
>>6982142
>>6982144
It's like I'm watching someone sell their soul to the coom in real time

>>6982147
hey can you shut the fuck up thanks

>>6982150
Lmao

>>6981838
His drawing demonstration video is really good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_2rL1K1mg

>>6981564
daily practice =/= effective practice
If you set your goal to anything other than progress you will stagnate, it's self-evident. If you focus on practicing regularly rather than actually learning something during your practices you won't progress

rate my balls

>>6982157
>balls in an empty void
0/10

I've been going through Eviston as my first drawing book for a long time now.
The final chapter is bumming me out.
His lessons were pretty concrete but the first project for this chapter seems to be "uhh go do a bunch of gesture drawings."
I've spent a week doing some and I still don't feel like I've gotten anywhere and it makes me want to give up. The rest of the chapter just gets harder and more intimidating (adding volume to gestures, then adding contours and shadows)

>>6982157
where cast shadow

>>6981056
a book or a course? thanks

>>6982165
Go back and practice gestures
>don't only do fundamental stuff
>draw gestures of characters you love
>draw gestures of poses you find cool anime, tv, movies and etc
>if you feel burnt out then take a break
>getting art gains is like gaining muscles strength and size
>do exercises then rest.

>>6982147
great observation. progression happened so perfectly consistent

Could someone help me out with this? Are the axes supposed to always be perpendicular or does it not matter?

>>6982185
They should be consistently perpendicular yes, otherwise they won't work as a guide

>>6982185
they are usually perpendicular, but the line that you're putting art off by alot. when it comes to imagining the lines it's best to actively draw this circles along with the exercise. You'll eventually get a better understanding of space.

>>6982185
depends what do you mean. axes always perpendicular kind of by definition, but projection if them could be not

Starting on copying the first realistic face in FWAP. Gonna post the finished version when I'm done. I know it'll turn out fucked up but I'm gonna grind these till I git gud.
The guy on the left I did from following a "how to draw X character" video. I don't think those kinds of videos are very helpful since I didn't really learn anything by doing it, but it was amusing and I'll probably use it as reference later.

>>6982188
>>6982191
Ok, thank you
>>6982189
My lines are off or Loomis's are?

>>6982193
your lines, especially the bottom ones.

>>6982196
Would you mind showing me how they're supposed to be done?

doing key shadows now and adjusted some values of the BG to not distract from the main subject.

>>6982200
You might have point earlier, once I started doing this practice by him...
I realized some of his circles are wonky...

>>6982185

>>6982221
>>6982229
Thank you. I wish he'd explain stuff in writing a bit more, especially with his whole "it doesn't matter bro just do it bro" attitude.

What is the best, retard-proof tutorial for the Reilly method? I am willing to fall for the shilling and give it a try.

>>6981730
>I feel like it adds SOMETHING but dealing with them makes me wish i were dead
Worrying about pen pressure and line quality are complete time wasting distractions which are easy to fall into on digital as a beginner, you should be focusing on line control. I would recommend switching to a brush that doesn't have any pen pressure settings and ghost every line you make while going from point to point, it doesn't matter if your lines look wobbly and shit unless it interferes with the readability of your drawing. Also avoid stabilizers and undoing your lines as much as possible, just go over your lines if you make mistakes or use the erase tool when your lines go too far off course.

>>6982247
don't do reilly method, reilly is a hack. Go study Loomis

I didn’t draw today. Yay!

>>6982292
There's still time left, Anon. Get to it.

>Don't do sketchy lines on first pass your line work will look like shit

Then what the fuck is a good technique for doing an under-sketch then?

>>6982299
No, there isn’t.

>>6982247
Reilly is just anatomy, its the flow of the muscles. Whether or not you go out of your way to learn it, every competent artist will eventually acquire it

Studying by myself always makes me feel so uncertain. Like I don't even know if I'm actually learning and internalizing or just copying like a monkey

>>6982351
copying like a monke is exactly how you learn to draw.

really considering getting an NMA sub for a year especially since it's discounted
anyone wanna blackpill me?

Sup beg. i think i have big problem with procrastination. I gonna have to start tracking time again. FUCK MY LIFE

>>6982165
basically in last chapter eviston tells you to never stop drawing. that is it. dont over think it and just draw
>>6982144
>>6982140
i kneel and coom
>>6982136
looks unfinished, the value range is strange on the left side
>>6982106
this one is cool, but his teeth / half of mouth is flat
>>6982031
nice to see teddy anon is still alive
>>6982011
fun with a pencil is imho the worst art book i have ever seen, pick different figure book
>>6981967
fucking hell, i was supposed to draw heads like these instead of the blobs? maybe that is why i had pain with the pencil
>>6981898
the shading on ass is turbo confusing or wrong. otherwise it is stylish and nice. add some yellow to the background for improved composition and its perfect. very nice contrast and shapes
>>6981797
there is NOTHING positive i can say about this. nothing. Pick up keys to drawing
>>6981779
you also need keys to drawing
>>6981730
you are wasting your times thinking about lines as beg. pick up beg book and draw
>>6981648
place ref on monitor, straighten your arm, aim stylus at screen and use thumb to take a measure (like height of head), then use that measurement to compare everything both in ref and on canvas
>>6981564
>copycat
i assure you i am not first nor last drawer who PYWs daily. and pressure is good. without pressure everybody would be lazy do nothing like the ADHD schizos and howies who spam this general with their copy pastas
>>6982351
for this reason i started new training regime where i first copy it from ref and then do it from memory / imagination. cannot copy what you dont see
>>6982361
just get a sub for a month, then mass download the materials and flee abroad from VILPPUs wrath

>>6982361
I mean, if you like to listen to old men fart for 72 hours straight, be my guest.

Imo though the courses all suck. all of them. including vilppu's. I used to love Vilppu, but I improved faster when I stopped watching vilppu and just copied twitter artists on my own. You will learn so much faster if you just copy art. Theory and technique is all bullshit, art is just imitation and playing by ear.

>>6982351
It can take a while to see results. improvement isn't a straight line. it's more like pic rel.
Make sure you are always trying to draw your own stuff too, not just copying. copying is great though.

>>6982363
>and then do it from memory / imagination
Sounds like a good idea, I'll give a try thanks
>>6982368
Yeah I faced this before when learning a foreign language but art/drawing was always the one subject in school that I felt for some reason never suited me and I'd never be able to wrap my head around.

I may be clincally retarded. I understand drawing from the arm vs the wrist, but when drawing from the arm is your hand supposed to hover or can you lightly keep it on the table

anything critically wrong with this lineart

i just made this girl. her clothes are based on the sega versus city arcade machine. i want to post her in the oc thread but im afraid ill get eaten alive. i also want to draw her in at least one interesting pose first.

>>6981600
what are you trying to achieve with this

What are some good books for learning to draw skeletons?

>>6982376
actually a good question, because everyone's anatomy is slightly unique, you will personally have to find what feels the most ergonomic to you. try out suggestions and do some trial and error.
>is your hand supposed to hover
some people do hover, mostly you'll find hovering in overhand style.
many don't hover when drawing in the normal style, thus the reason for smudge guards

>>6981466
Angle helped me immensely, it's like night and day. Just get a cheap 3-ring binder for like $1 and use that as long as your tablet isn't fuckhuge.

How do I get over impatience with my art? In that, I get impatient that I'm not progressing quick enough for my own standards and it leads to frustration because I feel like I should be further along based on my time spent learning

here's a reference for where I generally am, I'm almost at 3 months into learning but I feel like I should be so much further

>>6982395
oh I should add that when drawing finely with the fingers you probably won't hover, but drawing large with the shoulder and arms your hand probably won't be in contact with the surface, so hovering is intermittent

>>6982395
I see, thanks fren

>>6981815
Gotcha.
>>6982270
>you should be focusing on line control. I would recommend switching to a brush that doesn't have any pen pressure settings
Sounds good. I suppose going to a non-pressure pen would make me less scatterbrained about what to improve.
>ghost every line you make while going from point to point
yes i did the first drawabox thing i ghost all the lines.
>it doesn't matter if your lines look wobbly and shit unless it interferes with the readability of your drawing.
The mindset i've been stuck with is that, unless the line is EXACTLY how I imagined it, it interferes with the readability of my drawing.
>Also avoid stabilizers
Done.
>and undoing your lines as much as possible,
Ah. Lmao i've used the undo button so much I broke the button on my pen. I undo so much by the time I get 1 line right my arm hurts and I can't draw any more.
So i guess that's another bad habit to try to break out of.
>>6982363
>pick up beg book and draw
given you're the KtD guy i'm going to assume you mean that one. No dice. Can't do it.

>>6982387
I dont see anything particularly wrong with it except lines being a little too similar in thickness.
Again, im not an expert tho. just my two cents.

honestly don't know if i'm on the right path with morpho or if there's something else i could be doing that would be more beneficial

>>6982419
>The mindset i've been stuck with is that, unless the line is EXACTLY how I imagined it, it interferes with the readability of my drawing.
Digital has the tendency to make perfection the enemy of the good due to how forgiving it is since you can endlessly retry lines until they're perfect (just use the fucking line tool at that point). I did exact same shit when I started drawing for the first 2 months on digital and I made absolutely no progress because I spent more time on how things looked more than practicing the fundamentals.
>Ah. Lmao i've used the undo button so much I broke the button on my pen. I undo so much by the time I get 1 line right my arm hurts and I can't draw any more.
I would recommend going to traditional using only a pen for a month or two to force yourself out of the habit. Do pages of line/ellipse exercises everyday and take it slow, you will improve day by day. Once you have enough confidence and a different mindset then try going back to digital.

>>6982192
An attempt was made. I realized pretty early that the angle was off compared to Loomis's and tried to just go with it but didn't do it well. I think I was following the construction quite well but when it came to adding details I was kinda just symbol drawing. My version kind of looks like this one police sketch of a Hawaiian rapist that was used in a creepypasta. The nose and the attempt at lips are probably the worst parts here. But I didn't do AS badly as I thought I would, so it's okay. I'll keep going.

>>6982387
The hips/panties don't follow the belly button/torso orientation, right leg as well.
Arm lengths might be a mismatch
other than that it looks good

>>6982351
The problem is that these books don't really set up the motivation for anyone who hasn't tried to draw a LOT without structure.
The point of drawing a circle to set the face on is that you've tried to draw a face before and it looked wonky, so now you want it to look better.
You should try drawing your favorite things first with and without structure to see why you need to improve on it and where you need improvement in.
And you should draw what you want most of the time than studying all the time, if you don't enjoy your time drawing you're gonna associate it with studying and end up hating it

>>6982363
why are you giving advices

Why are tits so hard to lay out
pls help

Wasnt really feeling motivated to do much tonight, after like a year of practice i feel like im way behind where I want to actually be at

More legs
>>6981916
Draw a Box or Dynamic Sketching also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc
>>6981404
Lovely faces as always
>>6981286
Cozy
>>6981245
Looks like you fixed the armor tangent. Good job
>>6981208
Not too bad. Compare to anatomy books or courses. Or look at a skeleton.
>>6981128
Cool glow effect. Do value studies and work on drawing. Great foreshortening!
>>6981086
Nice. Reminds me of the girl from Kill Bill
>>6980973
Excellent
>>6980926
Big improvement. Go through his fundamentals course from the beginning and you’ll level up in no time
>>6980871
I’d love to see a full figure sketched in your style. Please?
>>6981192
Marco Bucci maybe
>>6981215
Looks good. Reminds me of an elf-San wa yaserarenai char
>>6981712
Yep
>>6981797
Nice colors
>>6981898
Look up hard vs soft edges and form vs cast shadows
>>6981930
Gorgeous
>>6981916
Draw A Box or Dynamic Sketching and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc
>>6981950
>enjoying it a lot and am going to continue regardless
BASED AND GMI
Keep it up, king
>>6981967
I think so too. Good job
>>6982031
Perspective is off, but overall decent. Keep it up!
>>6982075
Awesome
>>6982083
Good idea!
>>6982144
Adorable face. I think the use of color is interesting. It’s also interesting to see which drawings you put the most effort into.
>>6982157
Kinda flat
>>6982165
For figure stuff I really like vilppu and Hampton. LoveLifeDrawing on YouTube is also excellent understanding gesture. A lot of it is just mileage tho
>>6982211
Fuckin’ sick
>>6982387
Mostly flat. Her adductor should overlap her glute. Pec should overlap arm should overlap ribcage. Skirt is egregiously flat. Clean line work and sexy shape, though. David Finch has good line art tuts on YouTube.
>>6982390
Looks fine. I recommend studying figure drawing. Appealing shapes
>>6982398
Release your ego
>3 months
Impressive!
>>6982432
What’s your goal?
>>6982436
Nice doodles
>>6982477
Train accuracy
>>6982556
You’re starting to feel the form!

60 sec gestures + some morpho-like imagination practice. I will study harder focusing anatomy.
>>6982396
>binder
i like this idea
>>6982398
>How do I get over impatience with my art?
Trust the process. More focused study and quality sleep will produce better results.
>>6982432
continue morpho, add some perspective/3d focused book into your study
>>6982436
very nice
>>6982500
idk theres probably a few tit tips and tricks on the 'net
>>6982556
I like your ribcage and pelvis, your forms are better than you think they are
>>6982597
great, high skill

>>6982500
Try pic related. It’s a good overview. Anatomy for sculptors and Morpho cover boobs a little bit. Copy your favorite boob artists to learn their shape design. There’s also how-to info on e-hentai.

>>6982421
>>6982494
>>6982597
thank you anons

>>6982137
>>6982135
>>6982142
>>6982144
Blog?

>>6981930
me on the left

>>6981937
Look up Morpho heads since you got a knack for it
You can use what you learned from Loomis, they are complementary but Morpho has more variations you can use to draw different races

>>6982602
Oh lord jesus christ I almost jerked off to this
Very informative thank you

>heavily considering buying expensive quality colored pencils despite the fact that I draw bad with regular graphite pencils

>>6982636
If you have the money do it, it's that simple

>>6982499
I call this one
The polecat

I know ADHD is a huge meme in here, but has any of you improved when you started taking pills? Did you actually study more? Or is laziness incurable?

Thoughts on the body and the pose?

>>6982393
People often say you should do figure drawings for practice, so I was hoping to know if I was doing it at least somewhat properly.

>>6982671
>""""curing"""" laziness by taking pills
listen to yourself you sound like an absolute imbecile

3x 10 Minute portrait practice during work on cheap printer paper, what am I doing wrong portrait bros?

I know the theory behind Loomis but top down or bottom up perspective fucks with my little /beg/-brain.

References:
https://pin.it/5vm3ZTu
https://pin.it/4vjWHtv
https://pin.it/4QRUui4

>>6982674
Don't be a coward, push the proportions
Also the pose is cool instead of alluring
>>6982677
I think you should figure out what you're even trying to learn before attempting any practice

>>6982179
>>6981045
NMA's Constructive Head Drawing, course by Steve Huston
NMA's Constructive Figure Drawing, course by Steve Huston
NMA's Art Anatomy for Beginners, course by Steve Huston
Steve Huston Patreon videos for supplementary video lessons and lectures


see >>6980562

>>6982705
>I think you should figure out what you're even trying to learn before attempting any practice
I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be gleaning from figure drawing if I'm honest.
I understand anatomy, structure, and gesture as concepts each on their own, but putting them all together is this esoteric thing I don't really understand how to do. My understanding is figure drawing is supposed to help put all 3 of those things together, but how, I just don't know... I'm reading Huston's book right now and I think I'm failing to grasp the concepts he's putting out.

>>6982702
cillian Murphy?

>>6982716
I think you probably want to learn how to draw anime girls or some shit and you're being crabbed into drawing geriatic old men using century old methods meant for traditional drawing

tried to be quick and tried to exaggerate the expression a bit

>>6982723
Is... Is that not how you learn how to draw anime girls?

>>6982432
i'm studying morpho rn and if i were beginner-ish in anatomy like you i would find it impossible to study without a teacher or some kind of guide
unironically i'd suggest copying bridgman to get a more intuitive understanding of volumes, then morpho to kinda make it more tidy and realistic (just don't do the copy it 2 times meme)

>>6980934
if that's the perspective you're going for, bring the bot's left foot forward a bit
fluidify should do the trick

how do I stop tunnel visioning and forgetting proportions

>>6982743
Stop zooming in till you've sorted out the proportions.

>>6982681
Is it that absurd? Modern medicine can do pretty amazing things

not too bad for trying to be quick i suppose
but i still cant into hatching digitally for some reason

HAHAHHAHAHAHA kawaii LOL

>>6982754
This makes me want to puke

>>6982784
and why is that

>>6982597
I just wanna get into figure drawing in earnest
>>6982432
>>6982739
thanks for the advice, I'm doing random 3d shapes as warmup and practice some days if I'm not motivated enough but I'm still trying to conquer the beast that is form and perspective, I just haven't found any perspective books or tutorials very useful
I'll give Bridgman a go and see how it goes

>>6982702

>>6982674
her left arm is too long

>>6982915>>6982915
>>6982915
>>6982915
>>6982915
>>6982915

>>6981967
how