/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6965591
Forgot to rename it. Well fuck.

>>6965592
baka

Last two sessions, last session with this model next week.

>>6965845
Very nice face.
>>6965876
Nice work with the shadows.

nice work everyone! here's to another awesome thread!

>>6967192
>Very nice face.
Y-you too!
Oh you meant the drawing.

top is artstation girl, bottom from imagination. i started forcing myself to erase and redraw instead of using lasso or ctrl z

Learning figs and i'm a bit lost in the sauce right now. Can someone help me figure out how I can unfuck the torso/upper torso of the figure on the right?

>>6965591
I want to study Vilppu, but some anons say it's a trap
Is it a trap or nah? What do?

>>6965591
I think you should add pose trainer and pose maniacs to the OP
https://pose-trainer.com/
https://www.posemaniacs.com/

>>6965591

>>6970073
imo, he's great. Watch and study all of the teachers and then go back and study them again. Every step forward is not wasted, If you begin to study the work and teaching of vilppu and you feel like it isn't helping, just move on to the next teacher.

>>6969823
I might have fucked it up even more lol

>>6969823
Sorry, I uploaded the wrong image

>>6968870
Really cool.

>>6970160
>>6970158
thanks for your effort, I like some of the changes you've made, and it helped me see how both shoulders were tense (as I had drawn them)

>>6970214
It's a pleasure

>>6970354
Nice tiddies, really soft.

>>6972707
model name?

5 minute poses

Stuff from imagination

>>6968870
Yeah, I’m with you on the control z thing. That’s why I like drawing on paper. Used to think that that time it takes to get a rubber and erase the lines I don’t like was annoying. Now I feel its valuable time spent thinking about why the lines were bad and what lines I’d like to see in their place.
With control z, the lines I don’t like are reflexively gone before my conscious mind has time to figure out why they were bad in the first place. Also feels disruptive to getting in that flow state. Anyway
nice drawings

>>6973304

from the other thread

things for the more advanced lads
(suggested focus areas)

>>6968870
push gesture
more confidence in arms and legs
waists
>>6970122
how the ass connects
>>6970354
face
how the head connects
>>6973561
how the head connects
top of torso (clavicle/neck area)
>>6973589
shoulders

>>6965591
How can I move from gesture to figure? I attended a live session and had such a hard time making my work look more “figure-y” as we were approaching 15 min poses it was very frustrating

>>6973725
Gesture is more about the balance and dynamics of the pose and less about proportion and form. Spend some time on blocking everything out on the page, thinking about the composition, finding the main masses (shapes, really), and taking your measurements. 15 minutes is really a pretty short pose in the grand scheme of things, if you're not used to devoting a lot of time to be accurate with a piece it will be a muscle you need to develop.

Glad this thread will continue
female body practice from weekend

I know it's trash, just glad I got something done today

>>6970122

>>6973628
>how the ass connects
thank you for the feedback

I so badly would like to do character drawings, but man am I bad. I've been doing drawings on and off for a couple years, with little to no progress. I have the Classic Human Anatomy in Motion book along with Loomis' figure drawing book. I come to threads like these and try to absorb as much research material as I can. But when I go to put pencil to paper, it's like there's a disconnect from my brain to the page. I simply do not know how you guys do it.

>>6975743
steve huston figure drawing course on NMA

>>6974091
>>6975724
Nice tits

>decide to draw anime girl with dynamic pose "eh I'll just do something easy between two actual drawings"
>two weeks later I still can't find a good pose, 48 layers of different poses sketches
>"ok fuck it"
>bruteforce trace and copy pose I like
>I don't fucking like it anymore
GOD HELP ME

test

Another test.

>>6975743
https://youtu.be/MUtH6v8k0BY?si=957YWSTeNHR1Oibp
has en subtitles btw

I took a bit of a break, now sure what I was trying to accomplish (focus on gesture or focus on figure) I kept extending the timer

>>6976007
Same anon
Copying some pinterst references

>>6975750
>>6975981
Thanks lads.

>>6976443
>>6973786
>>6968763
i love them

figures of the day

>>6976576
thanks

>>6977783
At this point I actually can recognise most of these references.

>>6979087
yeah i need to gather some more, Yoni and Raj keep coming up

>>6975724

>>6979205
youre really good. what did you do to learn?

>>6979205
>>6979926
>>6979926
>what did you do to learn?
NMA's Constructive Head Drawing, course by Steve Huston
NMA's Constructive Figure Drawing, course by Steve Huston
NMA's Art Anatomy for Beginners, course by Steve Huston
Steve Huston Patreon videos for supplementary video lessons and lectures

Steve's teaching methods really clicked with me

hello :)

some mixed time gestures today, I am struggling with the tablet and finding a satisfying brush. pen pressure and finding a good grip where the pen doesn't slip is hard. the daily practice continues nonetheless

is there a 3d model viewer you guys use to check how something like the rib cage or pelvis looks if you're unsure about it's placement/perspective?

currently a beginner and it's hard trying to imagine the forms of the rib cage and pelvis on the reference if landmarks aren't jumping out at me

>>6981268
draw a box

>>6980562
cool. Do you have social media I can follow to see your work when you post?

>>6975724
>>6979205
>>6980562
the eternal sketchlet

>>6981268
just look up models on sketchfab i guess
>>6973589
>>6968870
my favs

I can't draw (ass)

>>6982648
I love these textures, what brushes are you using?

>>6982744
Just the graphite pencil brush from Lanes Photoshop Master Pack and a bit of smudging with Grainy Soften.

>>6982749
Thanks bossy

I feel like I'm evolving, I hope I'll become a tardigrade.

>try to do loomis
>try to draw circle several times
>can't
>go ape shit
This is not fun

>>6982861
I feel you anon

>>6982861
Slow down. It doesn't need to be in one stroke

>>6982861
>>6982882

Have been doing various exercises as a complete beginner and I've found this is a handy way to practice at drawing circles at different scale, set a path and then work your way along it

since there's so many figure chads here, can someone explain to me how gesture is supposed to look? or recommend a video of a guy doing it? i understand the concept, but I just don't get how it's supposed to look

>>6983568
Gesture is literally what the word says. It should capture the motion and energy of the figure. Try to capture the contraposto. Your lines should be free flowing and minimal. Here's a beginner level video to get you started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Ej9EIlfoc

>>6983587
i'm very ignorant to this stuff still, but i thought gesture was supposed to be more scribbly? that looks like construction

>>6983568
The concept of gesture varies from person to person.
But overall it usually means a quick sketch to capture the flow and the pose of the figure.

>>6983595
It captures the essence of something. You can have gestures of still life too. It just means capturing the essence on which you can later define and tune the actual form. You can also refer to Brent Eviston's course. He teaches the method of drawing perfectly. You have to start loose and go on refining it.

>>6981171
bye

>>6983568
It's training your brain to breakdown the barrier between drawing in a less "rational" way, and transitioning to a more "fluid" way of representing the movements and larger masses and shapes of the subject. "Feeling the form" is meme'd on, but it is the true essence of gesture drawing.

>>6981621
no blog

>>6980562

>>6984586
Brushes?

>>6986084
charcoal pencil brushes from pic related

light red set to 35 opacity, 24 flow, 13px
black set to 100 opacity, 24 flow, 7px
bright red set to 100 opacity, 24 flow, 7px

https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/zd78L/pencil-brushes-for-sketching-high-dpi

>>6986121
you're the man

>>6988165
are you using your knowledge of traditional rendering methods solely or did you learn how to imitate and replicate them digitally from a lesson or video?

>>6988242
I've watched some videos on traditional, but haven't done any traditional drawings. Just emulating this pretty much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6nXdpj1zI

Lane demonstrating his brushes helped a lot too.
https://youtu.be/XE5BQxTvNME?t=1715

LoveLifeDrawing also did a breakdown on Lane's figure drawing approach too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLlRukbEwok

And Christophe Young is really good for rendering digitally in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U_h3fw7VRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rObeBEBkUE

>>6988270
thank you

>>6984586

>>6989276
Nice. Hell despite drawing for 2 years gesture is still a foreign concept to me.
>>6989388
Simple yet effective. Do you finish some of them?

Anything good for outfits? I used to use lookbook but it seems to be dead.

hope I'm doing these right

Something from yesterday. Any tips or feedback would be appreciated, but optional

>>6993197
Great drawings there anon. love the ballpoint pen style. Would recommend adding some male figure drawings as well if optional

>>6993197
Keep going bro.
>>6993231
Not bad

5 minute figures while trying out brushes.

>>6989463
>Simple yet effective. Do you finish some of them?
no fully rendered figures, only some cropped rendered finishes

First day sketching while slow at work. Lines are shit and scratchy but overall kinda happy with the results. It took about 10 minutes for both, will do some more tomorrow.

I wish you new cool figures in the upcoming year, frens.

2 min gestures. I think I need to study more properly, these aren't what I wanted them to be.
Also for some reasons I went full retard, auto pilot mode.
I'm aiming for 15 poses a day atleast this year.

>>6999651
These are pretty good to me anon, I like the proportions too with the simple lines.

Also if you don't mind me asking, is this a specific method when you drew these figures? I meant the style of it, what method did you use?

>>6999685
It's mostly a mix with the LSF method (Drawsh Studio), Hitokaku and Ethan Becker. I try to draw only with my fountain pen so I can't erase and limit my lines to grasp the most from the reference.
Sorry if it doesnt help you.

>>6975724
What are you referencing?

>Previous
>>>6873293
>Some free resources
>https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed
>https://www.quickposes.com/en
>http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en
>https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/random
>https://www.characterdesigns.com/non-nude-photo-index
>https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/tutorials/
>https://app.posemy.art/
>https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/hands-feet-practice

>>6999830
love this
>>6999829
>>6999831
think your full figure proportions could use some work

Finally finished a figure
>>6999829
>>6999830
>>6999831
Amazing stuff.

>>6999830
>>6999831
Beautiful

took a long break, new years day seemed a good day to get back into good habits!

>>6996103
>>6998479
>>6999651
>>6999829
>>7000225
great job anons

>>6999830
>>6999831
these are awesome, do you post anywhere else?

>>7000421
I really like the shapes you're using in these.
You can do it anon, figure drawing = gains.

>>6982765
Thank you for using paper.

first figures of the year, now what do i gotta do to improve

I know I use these as warm ups, but I felt so rusty this morning, I couldnt focus properly. I hope it will get better with time.

Hyper Angle practice before I start the perspective chapter in Huston's book.

>>7000421

>>7000909
more
turns out feet look weird from below

>>7000809
Tried a new approach for my gestures today, I think it's better that way.
I'm going to study hampton from now on. I know it wont hurt to do that, but I wonder if there is a better approach for drawing highly stylized stuff like cartoons or old disney stuff? Besides copying them.

>>7002232
nice perspective!
>>7002239
maybe a bit of both. do a study, then do a stylized stuff off to the side, pushing the proportions.

>>7000809
I need to try making cleaner mannequins too

>>7002688
Yeah I'm going to do that, thanks for the advice.

Nice to see that this thread is still kicking!

>>7005266
Going to paint these tomorrow

>>7002688
>nice perspective!
thanks, did some longer ones.

>>7005266
>>7005410
very nice.

>>7005450
Hold on.
Is that the abduction of Persephone on the top right?

Hey, so I'm beginning to learn to draw and a lot of instructors recommend gesture to beginners. But I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding it. Additionally, I've been told that it's a meme and that I should just study anatomy. So I'm asking for a little direction. Obviously I'm leaning on continuing with gesture. Various instructors insisting on gesture first holds more weight than a few random anons, but I can't help that nagging feeling in the back of my mind.
Should I study anatomy first? Or stick with gesture?

>>7005836
Gesture is a very hard concept to understand. If you absolutely don't get it, just focus on construction and anatomy. Yea your figures will look stiff but stiff is better than horribly deformed.

>>7005836
gesture without anatomy looks like ramdon scribbles, good anatomy without gesture looks stiff at worst, i would rather have good anatomy and compostion than memesture.

>>7005857
But when gesture meets anatomy the result looks fantastic

>>7005850
>>7005857
>>7005862
So basically, learn how to construct anatomy, then how to bend and contort it using gesture? That makes sense, and it gives me a better structure over just "feeling it out" when I have no baseline.

>>7005869
For me I just learned the basic proportions, the landmarks of the body and how to use simple shapes to construct the figure to get started with gesture drawing. Learning anatomy first in order to do gesture just made my drawings more stiffer, because I was too focused on getting the muscles right etc. I'm not saying my method is the best, but having multiples approach to see what works the most for you at the beginning can be a good thing.
More knowledge won't hurt you anyway.

>>7005896
Yeah, I'll spread out my learning a bit. Grinding on only one thing at a time would just burn me out and won't help get to where I want to be.
I'll start simple, I'm just starting so perspective is still a weakness. So a bit of that, construction with simple figures, and a touch of gesture. Try not to get bogged down by details early on. That can be saved for when I really want to git gud.

>>6965591
Quickposes is down. What do we do figure chads?

any tips on improving anatomy and line quality?
im doing vilppu but im having a hard time applying it to my own studies. and maybe im just not confident enought yet, but i cant stop myself drawing over lines again and again until it looks really messy and scratchy.

>>7005410
looking great table-sama
>>7005450
love the top-right one

>>7006276
anatomy: imo shape language is more important early on than anatomy. only focus on key anatomical landmarks for now, worrying about every little muscle group is too overwhelming when you're starting out.
line quality: desu this mostly just comes with time but if you want focused practice for it use an ink pen and SLOW DOWN your drawing, make every mark you put down intentional. ghost your lines to help. you'll suck at first, possibly more than if you just use a pencil, but it'll pay off if you stick with it

in general it looks like you're on the right track lad, it'll just take more study. also, stop worrying about making the drawing "pretty" by adding extra details, worry instead about understanding the concepts you're working on. If Vilppu isn't working for you try a different instructor's approach, personally Steve Huston has been great for me

>>7005819
Giambologna’s Abduction of a Sabine Woman, actually. Although from what I've read it actually inspired Bernini's The Abduction of Proserpina.

>>7006276
>love the top-right one
Thanks.

As for your question, timed figure drawings helped me a lot. The time limit means you can't spend too long on it and forces you to try and get the whole figure down. The timer will make you rush a bit, but slow down. Doing a bunch of 1 minute figures makes 2 minute figures feel like you have a lot of time too. Watch how Vilppu actually moves his hand quite slowly, but every stroke is deliberate and carefully made. Even when he has to restate a line, they still look confident and deliberate. Notice how he 'ghosts' some of the lines before he makes it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk
Copying some of his drawings would help too. And as always, going back to the basics helps too. If you can't draw a cube, sphere, cylinder, egg etc. with confident lines, then it'll be near impossible to do it on figure drawing.

Using a more permanent medium, like ink, can also force you to think about your lines before you make them. The difficulty curve can be a bit steep though. Ballpoint pen can be a nice in-between since you can make light and dark strokes with them.

Redrawing the same pose, like you did, is also a great exercise to make a cleaner attempt on the second try. If you have tracing/wax paper you could use that to trace over it and save time redrawing everything.

As for anatomy, I would say it is something you develop over time. You need to slowly train all of your skills in conjunction before you can really apply the anatomical knowledge you have learned. Most of it you only gain through actually drawing in my experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH6E_n51-BQ
Referencing anatomy books when you get stuck on something is when I've learned the most. Anatomy tracing like in Proko's videos helped a lot too. Hampton and Huston helped me too.

>>7006470
NTA, but what resources do you recommend on learning anatomy landmarks? Like your figures btw

>>7005410
I saw on the bird that you said you're finally going to make good drawings after 10 years. Looking very nice so far, excited for more

some 1-2 min gestures on cheap copy paper, I've got some 12"x18" newsprint and charcoal pencils that I need to bust out so I'm not stuck drawing so small

>>7006523
Thanks m8, Michael Hampton's stuff is solid

>>7006513
I fuckin love sculpture bros

>>7004177
no prob! can't wait to see what you come up with.
>>7006513
great advice.
>>7005266
>>7005410
Nice to see you TG, I saw your post about trying something new. These look great, I like the soft colors.

>>7005450
dang, man. these look like a level up to me.

>>7006470
ok thanks, ill get started with huston
>>7006513
oh yeah i really dont do enough timed figure drawings. ink is kinda scary, i'll give it a go though

>>7005410
My sketches are better than the paintings. It is painful to draw the face for like an hour then ruin it in like 0.5s catching a water edge

>>7005450
Reallllllly nice! You got refs for the hyper angles? One of my buddies was looking for a good collection of extreme camera angle stuff

>>7006682
My favorite thread, thanks for keeping it alive. You got a blog or something? I forgot if i already asked

>>7006581
It’s undecided, im trying to quit tableguy this year, and find something else. But i have all year to quit those shenanigans.

>>7005450
These are next level. They’re digital, right? How long does it take you to do these?

I'm sick and puking everywhere, but atleast I could manage to do these today.

>>7007973
Love ur faces

Gotta work on my faces, I keep neglecting them.

>>7008017
Thanks, yeah they are digital.
3 hours 20 minutes for that page. About an hour each for the more finished figures, like the one on the left. This page took 3 hours 50 minutes. That also include warm-up figures not shown. Plus I was experimenting with different brushes.

>>7007973
Here's the Hyper Angle stuff, and a little collection of refs I've saved from here.
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci95Rlp5eFJRRCNzbEVTSGVLaGlsT2kyT3ptb09TVE5R

>>7008185
how are you timing yourself? i enjoy doing timed figures but they will often switch poses before i'm ready to move on, i have a problem of not allowing myself enough time to explore the entire pose or allowing myself to be fully creative in fear of missing out on trying to get as much of the pose on the page as possible before my time runs out. any advice? do you actually give yourself a time limit per figure or are you just drawing and exploring a figure until satisfied?

>>7008193
I use an app called Toggl to manually track and log the time of my art studies in general. It doesn't do anything special, just the first free one I found years ago.
For my gesture drawing sessions I use the GestureDrawing! app since it has some useful features. It automates the timer, floats the window on top, you can skip refs and go back, and it randomizes the refs. It's paid but another anon shared the newer version of it recently, link is still up.
>>/ic/thread/6848835#p6849385
There is also this free one you can use. An Anon made it.
https://github.com/adnv3k/GestureSesh

For me the figure drawings are mostly for practice and study, I don't really view them primarily as creative works, that's more of a secondary thing for me. You can use your gesture drawings to get ideas or to turn into more creative works though.

>>7005450 In this one, the guy in the suit had a bandanna around his neck, it kind of looked like a bird beak so I drew it like that. You could do stuff like that. Stylizing and exaggerating the muscles is fun to do too. Try finding a good model you like and drawing them a bunch. Cosplay, costume, props, sports etc. refs are an easy way to draw something more creative.

Personally I do 30s, 60s, 2m, 5m ones then no time-limit ones. No
set time or amount of each, I just move on when I feel like it. That's usually 5-10 or so of each time. To keep things fun I skip refs I don't like, or that are too hard for the time.

The timer means that you can't get that much down, so just pick one aspect you like about the ref and try to get that down on the page. Or focus on whatever aspect you are studying. There is too much information, having a clear focus and simplifying everything else will produce better drawings.

If any figure pique my interest I'll press the back button and do another pass on it. Sometimes that turns into an hour long drawing. Most of the time I'm not satisfied and it feels more like I'm abandoning the work.

>>7008274
thank you for the insight

https://imgur.com/a/MhHCeQ2


any tips in my development of the human figure?
i start with the action line then gesture and the bean method for the torso, then i block in some forms, and finally i add some muscles

I started drawing once a day, with this one the first week is gone. Of the 7 days I spent 4 with anatomy and figure/gesture, the rest perspective.
In principle, I don't know if I just don't know exactly what I'm doing or if it's just expected for someone who's just started drawing.

>>7009033
I'd recommend reading/watching Hampton. He's pretty good especially if you're just starting out.
Don't just draw when you have no idea what you're doing. Also most of the youtube tutorials will do more harm.

>>7006682
That other thread had some decent refs in it.

>>7007973
you draw very pleasing shapes.
best thread. I kept my dailies up for a good chunk of time, but took a 2 month break. drawing is so fun, good to get back into the habit. No blog at the moment, just posting here for now.

>>7009267
forgot to post today's figs.

>>7008480
If you're not going to stay accurate to the reference then at least avoid imbalance in the pose. You may be committing too rigidly to the initial line of action.

>>7009192
That's exactly what I needed. I liked his examples. I've seen a few tutorials, but I was missing this part of actually teaching how to do it. Thanks.

even with 5 minutes and I cant make my figures look decent. You people make it look easy.

>>7011343
ironically try going faster. you'll focus on the key shapes that way and you'll start to notice patterns. that and draw cool poses you find online with your own creative spin on it :)

anyone tried nicolaides?
How someone would study his book if someone is using digital instead of trad?

>>7007973
I have 5 pages of figgies. I am going to absolutely destroy them with watercolor. But i dont care, they were scanned into immortality now. I can let go of the pain.

>>7008087
You have no idea how long i spent on them. Like easily over an hour. And probably 20 minutes on the actually figures

>>7008185
Thanks, I’ll grab it later

>>7009267
I also took a huge break. But it’s good to be back. Keep on figging

>>7011343
Dont jsut do the 5m do the 30s, 1m, 2m etc and it will build up to the 5. At some point its like i dont know what to do in these extra minutes so you jsut go back over and work on parts in priority order.

is timed gesture drawing the real deal ?

>>7012823
Beats me.

>>7009268
more
>>7011176
who's the junk-grabber in the middle?
>>7012608
these look great. can't wait to see them destroyed!
>>7012824
nice amount
>>7012823
I think so, it's def helped me in the past. Just be sure to do a mix of slow/fast/untimed. Timed may not be the best for an absolute beginner though.

think i fell into a trap of only doing quickpose studies
gonna try studying muscle groups and shit but im wondering how everyone practices drawing from imagination? not trying to sound like a howie but i dont wanna just tackle it and not actually make any progress

>>7013317
>who's the junk-grabber in the middle?
That's a hyper-realistic sculpture by Xooang Choi.

>>7012608
I’m still figuring things out. I just thought of layering the colors so now i am working on that now. I’m just not sure what colors and how much of each color i need or where to put the colors or what order to layer them in.

>>7012823
It’s good. You can blame the timer for your shortcomings

>>7013323
Depends on what you want your people to be doing. If it’s just pinups you only need like 5 poses. So you dont need to know much. If it’s more dynamic comic stuff some people just always use a ref. But then the hard part is making changes to the ref that look natural like they match the ref. You usually have to cut off / redraw more of the infected area than you think.

I only draw from imagination if i am too lazy to look for a pose, or if i have something specific in mind that is going to take too long to find. And i use construction for these weird poses. You kind of have some goto poses that you start with, then make small adjustments. I find many times that i compromise on the vision because i just cant draw it with my current skill level.

I only have theories on how to draw like KJG. If ive drawn something 1000 times i dont need anything. No reference, no construction, no under sketch. Like i can draw a basic pinup bust (with no face) from memory in ink. So that means he must have just drawn everything 1000 times. I think the answer is just draw a lot.

Put in some effort into figures.
>>7013317
Seems like you had fun!
>>7013323
Don't rush if something doesn't work. Take it slowly.
Drawing from imagination is probably one of the hardest things to learn. Personally I like using a brush with low opacity to kind of like make a silhouette. Or just making some random lines and then making a figure out of them.
>>7013958
Your figures always seem so gestural.

>>7013958
>>7014401
tried drawing from memory yesterday. mixed results all around

>>7015095
this one i like because of the alien face lol

>>7015095
>>7015097
Who are you studying

>>7015217
like master? i was trying to follow bridgeman for a bit but fell off. now ive just been trying to brute force figures with cubes and spheres.
if u mean the poses i just found some pics off of the quickpose library

>>7015236
Better grab a book or a video course that explains shit. Bridgman might be too advanced for you for now.
Check out Hampton, Huston or Vilppu. Maybe even Proko.

>>7015363
i tried both of them a while back and stopped for one reason or another, but yea i think it's time to revisit and see if i can apply myself. thanks for the recommendations

>>7015536
Going back to the basics after trying things out for yourself for awhile is really helpful imo. There's always little pieces of insight that get missed but can make a big difference on a second go through. Also, it's a great way to track progress.

From Dean Cornwell

Figure drawing finally started clicking with me.

Dunno why it took me this long, but understanding the general shapes of the body and marking your lines so that they box/circle out the general positions of where they should be (e.g. line for front of torso & upperback to get the general shape of the ribcage) made shit so much easier.

What are you supposed to focus on when doing quick poses? Flow, proportions?

>>7013958
>>7012608
>>7007973
>>7005266
I love your stuff, blog??

>>7015855
Share ref please.

Future Permabeg here. Seriously, how do you guys "capture" figures?
My brain turns to mush every time I try and draw the figure into paper. And I go back into the habit of drawing the outline and symbol draw
how much anatomy do you need to know and will it just get better overtime with figure drawing?
Please I need help with figure drawing from life, I don't really have a problem drawing already drawn figures, but converting real life people to paper is my biggest struggle

Pic related is my awful attempt at it.

>>7016271
Watch the Vilppu/Hampton/Proko figure demos and understand how they're solving your problem of "[drawing] the figure into paper" with the marks they make. Every line indicates something, whether it be the turning of form, a rhythm/gesture, an overlap, a contour, the other side of the form (drawing through), and so on.
>how much anatomy do you need to know
If you can observe the forms in your references and reconstruct them you don't need to know any. Anatomy serves more for drawing from imagination, construction, or applying your own stylisation.

>>6965591
include this website https://www.rkgk.org/

>>7016271
Were these gesture drawings? If so, your figure on the right isn't that bad desu. You've got the general movement of the model and the torso and lower body looks natural and proportionate.

The left looks like you rushed the observation part.

I also agree with >>7016306 - I only stress you take a closer look at the "Proko bean" (see: Youtube). That should help out with your left figure's torso.

I'm the same anon that drew these: >>7016271

Pic related is my another chance of figure drawing, do they look better?
Also I heard that looking at your subject more rather than your own drawing more important? How much more should I be looking at the subject than my drawing?

>>7016306
>Watch the Vilppu/Hampton/Proko figure demos
Alright I'll check them out, thanks

>>7016339
>Were these gesture drawings?
Yes
>If so, your figure on the right isn't that bad desu.
Thanks

>The left looks like you rushed the observation part.
Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem I'm doing. I'm not exactly observing correctly or longer, I'm more focused on drawing on the paper rather than looking on the figure itself. Is there any tips to look at your subject rather than looking on your own drawing?

>>7016306
>Anatomy serves more for drawing from imagination, construction, or applying your own stylisation.
Agreed but in my case anatomy lifted some weight off my shoulders. I understood why shit looks like this and not like that and simply got more comfortable with drawing figures. Like it's definitely not a bad thing to get better at.

>>7017050
Felt the same, it made things more straight forward having an inventory and being able to actively search for things. Everything kind of snapped into focus, instead of being nameless and vague shapes that are easily overlooked.

>>7016377
>>7016271
Most good drawings you see here take like 40 minutes, longer if you're /beg/. Part of your problem is your lack of patience. The other part is you don't even have a minimal structure of how to accurately copy what you see with no time limit, nevermind using construction to build figure sketches quickly.

You need to google 'sight size rousar' and buy one of the used books. Work up to this: >>6965876. That's probably not less than 9-12 hours of drawing. Believe it or not you don't need

That will help you observe how the forms of the body fit together and *then* you can start to think about and try construction. You have to observe human anatomy carefully a lot to internalize a sense for it. Otherwise you will muddle around with cubes and tubes forever like these people:
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>>7017467
Why are you highlighting people who are clearly gesture drawing? That's the point of gesture - simplifying the subject to its simplest forms (i.e. cubes and tubes). Of course that's what they're going to use to represent the figure.

>>7015597
went back and tried applying vilppu's beginning methods. think it improved my figures from before. these are 3 min poses

>>7017523
gonna do some more tonight and try and be less sketchy lol

60 sec

3 min

today's session, 1h 10m

60 second gestures are kicking my fucking ass. I've never done timed drawings before

Coming to the conclusion that the only reason my figures look halfway alright is because I still copy too much.

I'm pretty new to art but know that I wanna end up as an erotic artist. So I got the NSFW pack from the pose archives and am having a great time so far

Probably a dumb question, but what do you gain from doing timed gesture drawings? What does it train you to do exactly?

>>7018704
It trains you to do some drawing instead of posting on the internet.

>>7018732
>It trains you to do some drawing instead of posting on the internet.
I already did, check the thread

>>7018704
IMO it's like the grind of drawing. Gesture drawing to me always felt similar to chess instruction. In chess, you spend time outside of the game studying opening moves, tactics, end game positions, etc. and then you play a bunch of short 5-10 minute games to practice what you've learned. The key is sort of in the repetition, even though the games are different each time, you pick up on certain patterns every time you play. When you reach an end game position you've played twenty times, you'll know intuitively how to continue.
Gesture drawing works the same way. You spend some time studying the figure from books, memorizing anatomy, foreshortening, and then you apply what you've studied by grinding out a ton of quick poses. Just like in chess, it's important as well to analyze your drawings afterward and see where you're consistently tripping up or where there's a gap in your knowledge. The more you draw a model from a ton of angles in a variety of poses, you being to develop an 'intuitive' feel for how to draw/construct the figure...
Also in chess, after doing all this studying and grinding, most people will enter a tournament where they play games that can last an hour or longer. It's like a true test of their skill. Making full illustrations, I feel, is analogous to this sort of test.

>>7015906
https://posespace.com/posetool/

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>>7013958
Gonna fuck these up right now

>>7014401
I think it’s the speed from the timed figure drawing, gotta go fast!

>>7015904
Blog here >>7017230

>>7018704
It trains you to give up and move on and not be so attached to your drawing. When the timer is up, you are done, time to move on. It’s training your brain to find the shortest path to minimum viable product.

Ive heard that you are just building up your figure as time progresses. Your 5 minute figure should look the same at 2 minutes as a 2 minute figure, the 2min figure at 1 min same as a 1min figure, a 1 min figure at 30s same as a 30s figure. It’s like you are takin>>7013958
g a bunch of practice swings

this might be a schizo question but how do you take measurements when you draw digitally? do you sight like you do with traditional or do you use rulers, tracing, etc? obviously doesn't apply to you if you're used to drawing without measurements

>>7020047
I don't measure

how can i improve these? do i just have to do lots and get used to it,or is there anything i'm actively doing wrong?

>>7020679
I mean these look pretty good. I’d probably start adding anatomy on top of it and mold the boxes into sexier shapes

>>7020011
Fucking nailed it guys. I really captured the likeness in the faces that i saw in the sketch and the original reference.

This is so painful to me, you guys have no idea

Trying to do a bit more construction early on

>>7020011
Can you post original reference for 41 (the girl in the bottom left middle part of this image with 1 elbow over her head and her knee raised up)?

>>6970160
If this has an original reference can I have it
If there is no reference and you imagined this figure from scratch then take that as a compliment, because it looks like something you copied directly from a photo of a human being throwing a leaping pose

>>7021122
Let’s hope i do better this time

>>7021665
Ive been drawing from this thread >>7010164

>>7021954
Thanks king
FYI
>This is so painful to me, you guys have no idea
Trying to get close to a 100% eyeball-only photocopy of the reference is physically painful to me too
I think it's physically painful for everyone, but people who have become human cameras who can capture near-perfect likeness 99% of the time just make it look easy while in reality it puts just as much strain on their feeble humanity as it does for us

>>7021954
All i have to say is that this could have come out worse. A lot worse. So i am grateful that some parts didnt get horrifically ruined by the watercolor.

I have a new process now for the shapes and water edge control. I’ll try again tomorrow.

>>7022026
But i never see them use watercolor. I never hear anyone complaining about how horrible watercolor is. Everyone seems to find it relaxing never complains about how awful it is to get what you want.

Imagination figures. Usually I have a hard time thinking up poses, but today it went well.

>>7022580
Spent liek 45 minutes on the mouth on 51 and like 30 minutes on 52’s face

Getting back to gesture practice. Left ones are 2 minutes, right ones are 30 sec

>>7022580
wish to reach this one day, but i first have to grind gestures and anatomy

>>7022580
Very lovely
>>7023195
Hey not that bad from imagination, especially the top left and top right ones.

>>7023297
Man ic must be popping, already on page 8. I keep getting conflicting coloring tips. Today we painted without using any green for the skin tones.

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>>7024103
Thanks, i never studied anatomy or gestures. Closest thing was copying a bunch of anime action animation frames. Your stuff looks fine no need to grind.

>>6965591
Dense motherfucker's guide to understanding proportions?

>>7025035
Use negative space to check your proportions. Work large then small. Rough sketch placements for everything. Periodically, check that all the shapes that the body and limbs make look the same as the ref.

Timed figure drawing helps because you frantically throw down lines as fast as you can to get a minimum viable complete figure down before the time is up. A 1 min figure shouldn’t just be an arm or just the head. You keep refining as time goes on.

>>7025037
thank you kindly.

>>6973304
Carlotta Champagne

can someone recommend me a figure pack full of VERY dynamic figures? i have cgpeers + am in the telegram so i'm sure i could find it on my own with some digging, i just need some names. i don't have the patience to save single images from pinterest...

also, do these gestures look alright? "feeling" the figure is really tough

>>7025683
I remember i jsut took freeze frames of the Olympic figure skaters one year. The girls are better than the guys because the guys wear fucking black pants and you cant see any forms. The girls wear dresses and shit so you can see everything.

If you draw all of these i will give you a gold medal.

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>>7025729
I also remember taking screen caps of this Batman in shanghai action sequence and drawing all the poses

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>>7025725
could you upload a mega of the singular images? i'm using quickposes desktop app

>>7025736
They are just images on my iPad. And they are super low quality. Thumbnail is probably about as much as you need. I think there are only like 100 of them. I just drew them all in one sitting. I think we were doing a 100 figures in a day challenge. Just go in order and bang them out.

>>7025019
5 min pen sketches with some server buddies

>>7026229
Paint tomorrow

>>7025703
looks like you're on the right track. keep it up!

>>7025725
I always like a challenge!

>>7025732
nice work, elegant posing. and the snowboarding chunckers at the bottom :D

>>7026229
energy! what's it like having friends to draw with? I've hosted drawing nights at my place with my friends, but no one stuck with it, haha.
>>7026263
faces are looking nice. TG dropping the e for an a! what type of pencil do you use that doesn't smear like crazy when erasing? I have yet to find one that erases cleanly.

>>7025732
Damn.
>>7026229
Very lovely.
>>7026780
Cute!

>>7026118
thanks anyway anon

tried to sit down and seriously break a figure down, as i think my gestures are starting to kind of look okay -- but my head broke, the ol ball for rib cage + pelvis box combo did not help me. is this because i don't have a firm enough grasp of anatomy?

also: who would you guys recommend *for* anatomy? someone who really makes it simple. will weston's okay but he tends to ramble and he seems really disorganized (to me). it's also insane that he starts with the torso and not the head...

>>7026263
I like how 61 came out.

>>7027215
Post your figure figures

>>7027221
Fuck the anatomy. I can name like 3 muscles in the body. Just check your proportions more often when you draw. And use the shapes of the negative space to make sure everything is in the right place. You’ll quickly have a mental map of “elbow bump, knee bend, foot triangle thing, boob tops, and shoulder fold”

Will try this gesture drawing for a month and see if there is noticeable improvement

>>7027560
not really gestures, dont focus on the contour so much

>>7025725
nice refs, did these 30 seconds each and feel like im making progress observing. will pump out the other ones later today
>>7027449
amazing, i agree 61 worked out well

>>7027449
Hello, your work is really nice. You have an excellent skill at capturing the sensuality of your figures. Do you use watercolour or gouache(?) (sorry if they are the same thing - I am not too sure)? Any tips/recs for getting into colour/rendering?

Tried some basic shading, any crit on what's off? I can tell it doesn't feel right

Some imagination figures

>>7027449
>Fuck the anatomy.
this is an interesting way to think but for me, all of my favorite artists know their anatomy pretty well. so i want to learn it myself kek

>>7027570
I was watching REIQ 5 min timed figure drawings before attempting.
How are gesture drawing supposed to look like?

>>7028774
isn't this cuck the one that exclusively traces blacked.com screenshots for his pinups?? super kek

>>7028784
I thought that was Mikeymega?
Anyway I find that when REIQ draws the figure, he considers both the contour/negative shapes and the gesture and it looks solid. I'm trying to follow it so that I don't end up with noodle people

>>7028774
At least watch an actually good teacher, broski
https://youtu.be/aOtVUHgJqQk

>>7028852
oops, you accidentally posted a vilppu video
what was the video of a good teacher you wanted to post?

A bunch of timed gestures

>>6968870
top row untimed from december then i didn’t draw for a while, bottom is 15-20 min figures from yesterday other than the last one which was untimed. gonna focus more on timed figures

>>6973628
ty anon if you’re still around, i definitely need to work on gesture and arms/legs, but can you elaborate on what you mean by waists?

did not stop the time.

Timed figure sketches.
Any advice?

>>7026780
prolly went a bit fast on some of the ones on the first page. Tried to focus a little harder on the mirrored poses.
>>7027869
nice
>>7027937
well done. Those extreme foreshortening ones are tough, a few more with ref will help.
>>7028782
that dude with the long curly hair has great refs.
>>7028885
nice amount
>>7029114
looks good
>>7029117
forms look nice
>>7029210
looks like you're on the right track, only advice is keep it up!

>>7027449
Next set. The faces are looking like they are too high effort for teh bodies now. I need to work on evening it out to be more matchy

>>7027710
Just watercolor on this cheap as fuck paper that everyone tells me i should ditch. I recommend using the most expensive paper you can afford. Avoid unnecessary frustration

>>7028588
More power to you

>>7027937
Not bad. I have trouble with straight imagination figures i have to like invent some context for them

>>7029210
These look fucking solid. No advice, jsut do more

>>7029284
Nice skates. I like when high effort is put into silly things like footwear.

>>7029762
Hey i know you…

>>7029284
another quick sketch before bed.
>>7029762
you captured alot in 1 min.
>>7029941
nice, I really like the hip/leg connections on 66.
-shoes are always hard for me, every time I'm about to drawn some I'm like, "this'll be easy, it's such a simple shape." and then halfway through I'm like, "wtf why does it look so fucked up?" need moar pracky.

>>7029284
>that dude with the long curly hair has great refs.
yeah he's one of my favs

>>7029979
I think your gestures could use more boxes and hard angles, you've got the roundness of shapes down really well but sometimes feels a bit gelatinous

>>6989276
Anon, do you have a source for this guy with the broken sword or did you just make him up from scratch?
If there's a source can I have it? Either way, very striking pose and good drawing, I like it

>>7030544
Thanks. Yeahs it's from Grafit, he is in quite a few sets. Was from this one specifically.
Grafit - 390 Classical Couple Poses
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loads more in the torrent if they're still being seeded
>>/ic/thread/6833182#p6834204

>>7030911
Thanks for coming through king!

>>7029941
Painted

>>7031380
Those discord fuckers tricked me into drawing some old farts hiking and the anatomy of a man. But those are the rules that we battle by. I agreed to their terms and made them draw some funky legs. It’s all fun and games until you have to draw a man.

i want to get these done with cleaner lines...
>>7029941
henlo, nice work
>>7029971
okay, okay 1 mins

>>7030213
Yeah you are right. Tried using more straights and box forms in these. Lost them a bit in the renders.

>>7029971
slowed down a bit on this one.
>>7031380
I like the hair, nice contrast.
>>7031383
male anatomy? gross. Public or private discord?
>>7031413
I always go back to hide-channel, I really like they way he does his construction sketches. he gets alot done in about a in each.
https://youtu.be/v-Ej9EIlfoc?si=_tpBJ0ys4I5hc3uf&t=210

>>7031455
nice, your quick figs in the upper right are lookin' very clean.

>>7031383
Sketchies, gotta paint maybe tomorrow. I really liked this expression, but i just couldnt nail it in the sketch >>7022017


>>7031455
Jesus fucking Christ this is absolutely insane. Really nice values on the long pose

>>7031981
It’s the /dad/ discord. There is a kid in there that draws with chalk with me.

>>7031981
>nice, your quick figs in the upper right are lookin' very clean.
Thanks, weird how those shorter ones come out better.

>>7032505
>Really nice values on the long pose
Thanks, finally feels like I've started getting a handle on values even if it takes me ages to render. Now I have to stop neglecting color...

>>7031981
tried to be conscious of the way he does it but i think i will need some time to adjust

>>7031383
Why do you not like drawing men anon?

Where can I find figure pack leaks? I'm a poorfag so I can't afford the $10 - $12 dollar bundles on Artstation.

>>7031981
more
>>7032505
nice legs
>>7032569
they all look good to me, those quick ones just had good energy/line economy.
>>7032572
whichever method works best for you. I appreciate how he breaks the body into simple forms that you can build off of.
>>7032634
nice job.

>>7033241
CTRL+F "torrent" in this thread
Someone linked

I'm a beginner

Should I focus on drawing poses in 30 seconds, or should I focus on trying to make them come out as good as possible before doing them fast?

>>7029210
Continued

Does anybody have any advice for making more "pushed" drawings? Aside from "draw them more" what sort of exercises would you go for?

>>7033517
thanks

>>7033547
What do you mean by pushed?

>>7033808
I guess more interesting perspective? I usually end up drawing figures from a very front-facing angle (like a camera on a tripod). So drawing with more interesting dimensions, but not strong foreshortening.

>>7033519
In my opinion getting basic things right is better than trying to rush when you have no idea what you're doing.
Spending too much time on every piece is also not a good idea.

>>7033817
I have the same problem. The hyper angle refs help but the only thing remotely in between is anime screen caps. The have more interesting angles and exaggerated view points and are easily obtainable. I’m sure movies have it too, but it’s much harder to slog through so much footage looking for it.

You really only need top down and ground up and some Dutch angle camera work.

today's session, did some loose color studies

>>7029284
Yea for the most part I use references but from time to time I draw imaginary figures, it actually helps a lot with references as well.
>>7029941
For imaginary figures I just kind of draw some random lines and try to make sense of them.

>>7032505
I get the last thread bump, painted it, i need to do some stomach studies to get the forms right. I’m still just coloring in drawings and not really painting.

>>7033446
300! great job anons! are we keeping this figgy train rolling with another thread?

>>7033961
the color ones are really cool
>>7034413
nice.
>>7034812
nice, I get the sense of action in many of them.
>>7035094
are you following any body in particular for your water coloring, or just figuring it out as you go?

>>7035094
Speed run on 30 figgies. 60 min so maybe 1-3 min each??

>>7035767
Just trying o figure things out as i go. If you have any good watercolor figure drawing artist names let me know. I am always looking for inspo

>>7035767
Oh yeah totally make a new thread man. These are my favorite threads on ic. I wish there was a new nude women thread for refs

>>7035767
thanks, yours are lovely

>>7036299
I forgot i alreayd did pen figgies today. Oh well, here are some more

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>>7036740

I know there's a new thread, but wanted to make sure these get credit cause they are all really good.

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>>7036401
saved, these are amazingly expressive.

>>7036371
This are already looking cleaner in my opinion!

>>7036447
the details you have on your longer study look really good. especially the hip connection and the twist of the forearm.

>>6974091
What did you study to nail this asanagi-like hentai body?

>>7037589
I studied the work of hentai artists like Trylsc