/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6965378
>Check out the webm to understand how bad they are.

>>6965378

redpill me on deco1v2
just bought it
is it really as bad as ppl say?

>>6965499
It's garbage, return it.

>>6965500
why does every review praise it then?

>>6965504
>review
You retarded? Did you just not read any of the OP? You literally have two videos right there explaining in perfect detail why reviews should never be trusted.

>New thread
>Immediately filled with wacumguzzler's samefagging schizoposting
The absolute state of /dtg/ nowadays

>>6965378
>Consider reading the amazon reviews, particularly the negative spectrum
damn you're right

>>6965648
>>6965515
Then do I trust reviews or not? Or is it that only the ones OP agrees with are ok?

>>6965698
There are no "ones OP agrees with" you retard. Reviews are untrustworthy, period.

>>6965698
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCTm2J4lo1M
This isn't really a review and you can skip the unboxing, but Brad Colbow isn't a shill.

>>6965705
He also talks about it briefly here at 2:58
https://youtu.be/nENQ-TLBYvI?si=0UHFT6ru5FE48h0O

>>6965515
>reviews should never be trusted.
>>6965378
>Consider reading the amazon reviews

don't trust reviews, unless they agree with me, then you can trust them.
don't listen to youtubers, they're all shills. unless they agree with me, then you can trust them.

>>6965648
oops, made a mistake, those were reviews for a wacom tablet, silly me

>>6965705
Yes he is you retard. He even implicitly admits he's a shill. He confirms everything in the OP video is 100% right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eJBgwcVmE

Cannot believe there are retards like you who still try to dig your heels.

>>6965717
You are such an idiot it's funny.

>>6965717
>2018
>go with xp pen instead
xppen wasn't even in the same stratosphere in 2018. that one is 100% a shill

>>6965717
Those reviews are subsidised by the ccp, Chinese idiot

i tried the iPad Pro 12.9'' with Apple Pen and it may be the worst drawing tablet i've ever tried, it just feels like drawing on glass

Promising that I am a neanderthal, even after years of using tablets I still can't get the same line quality of when I use paper, is it a normal thing and I'm tackling it from the wrong angle or there's some wacky fucky magic I can do with sensitivity settings to fix this problem?
Currently using a Huion Kamvas something. It's kinda big and too bright

>>6965778
>>6965773
>>6965743
>Consider reading the amazon reviews, particularly the negative spectrum and you will find some very common themes.
>Ack!! not like that!
aaron seething about the chinese the second anything negative is said about wacom lmao

>>6965792
ipads suck dick. at the absolute best, you have almost the same drawing experience as the cheapest entry level tablets available (matte screen protector but battery powered pen that needs to charge and leaves wobbly lines)
at worst you have a slick horrible drawing surface and are limited to mobile apps missing features like procreate, or with subscriptions like CSP (which feels cramped because of the UI)

>>6965934
Kek. Name your "missing features" in Procreate.

>>6965378
>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand making Wacom imitations
It's over then, I'm staying with water colors.

>>6965499
Try it out and tell us!

bump

>>6965792
Most people get used to it or find ways to mitigate it with something like a screen protector
On the android end samsung puts rubber tipped nibs on their pens that give it more resistance by default without having to use a protector too.

>>6965378

bum

>>6967010
p?

>>6966841
>>6967010
>>6967081
why

I use Procreate and am never really satisfied with my brush organization. How do you all organize your digital brushes?

>>6967384
What do you even mean? Just draw your most used brushes in one section.

>>6967387
drag*

>>6967387
I try to do it by category with different types all being grouped up by what they’re for like all my inking brushes together, my paint brushes together, my textures and halftones together etc. but it still seems like a big mess of a list.

>>6965819
This, I like my Wacom tablet and all, but you have to be delusional to not see the issues too. Here a few examples off the top of my head that happened more than once.

>unplug and plug back tablet to untangle cables
>have to restart the computer to get it to work

>tablet gets stuck on some keys
>have to either restart or mash all buttons until you unblock it

>update drivers
>lose all settings

>>6965378
OP and everyone. I need your help in drawing tablet.
I wanr a tablet but the only idea I have are :
Ipad 13 + Apple pencil = apple environement plus Procreate
Samsung tablet + pencil (don't know which one) = a freest evironement than Apple plus habilityy to split screns

HELP me plz

>>6967917
the obvious choice is quite simple really
deep down you know the answer
choose with your gut
it’s right there
simply put
ipad 12.9

chang!

>>6967917
Samsung + Wacom One pen with rubberized Staedtler Noris tips

XP Pen is pretty good

Huion is great too

I like ugee. you know why you've never seen anyone talk about ugee? they're busy drawing instead of jerking off to brand names

>>6967917
iPad can split screen on most apps; often run Clip or Procreate on one and ref on another

>>6968464
i have a ugee. maybe the new ones are better, though. mine is close to 20 lbs and the shit is so unwieldy it's not fun to draw with

>>6965378

I'm here to tell the truth.
I am mega rich and have tried all the options.
Here's the consensus.

Ipad - shit feels like drawing on slippy glass, even with paperlike it just feels like ass, it's tiny and you can barely prop it up.
Maybe get it if you have tiny feminine hands and you don't mind getting arthritis from trying to draw on it with apple shitencil.
Also will get obsolete in a few years no matter what model you buy, enjoy not being able to use it once they cut all support and built in battery dies with no ability to replace it.

Samsung - pure fucking garbage, literally chink tablet but worse in every way, terrible skipping, wobbliness etc.
Feels better to draw on because of the rubber tip but it drags, enjoy getting your line cut and jump randomly with inconsistent pressure.
Also android so all software will suck donkey dick, probably the worst option.

Chink tablets, all same garbage, literally the exact same thing with different names slapped on it.
All the same problems in 2 different packages, with a screen or without, unusuable.

Wacom, pretty much same chink shit, broken and doesn't work, drivers are pure garbage, built in obsolescence with the screen and the tips wearing down no matter what protectors you use, overpriced as shit, need to buy a fucking arm that needs to be drilled into your floor to be at all useable, still feels like poopoo kaka to draw on because of chink build quality.

there you
they're all unusable gutter trash
because they're all built on the same chinese factory

>>6968697
don't care

>>6968697
skill issue

>>6968283

Lamy is the only pen that can properly make fine tips in drawing. Best method is matte protector + titanium tips

Why did they absolutely fuck up Procreate’s color selection system? It saves colors in the two boxes in the menu but is not using the color I clicked on most recently to actually use.

>>6969327
If I click on the red box it paints green, if I click on the green box it paints red it makes no sense.

I just updated, is this how it is now or did I just activate something stupid by accident?

I'm starting to get wobbly lines. Is this indicative of needing to change the pen nib? Or maybe doing a thorough wipedown with a screenless-safe spray?
I've gotta be honest, I don't even know when to change the nibs. I put in a new one last week, but didn't really notice a difference.
Also, why do all of these fucking tablets use usb-c and don't have a port that has support to keep the cable in straight?

>>6969328
you clicked on something stupid

>>6967384
I stash all the brushes I commonly use into one folder. Pencil, hard round, hard square, marker, gradient etc.

>>6967917
I hate apple and use an iPad purely because procreate is really easy to use. If procreate through some miracle released on android I'd sell my iPad in an instant and get a Samsung tablet but until then I will continue to use apple

>>6966273
Not him but
>folder based filters
>multi-layer editing
>reference window that doesn't compress the image
>color profile changing mid-drawing
>drawing outside the canvas
>gradient tools
>vector line or pen tools
Procreate is viable and my personal go-to but there's a lot of room for improvement

>>6969500
>If procreate through some miracle released on android
Never ever going to happen. Apple is 100% cutting them a fat check to be exclusively on ipad.

How to i hold my hand to see the drawing without blocking 90% of it? i can't take it anymore..

>>6969651
have you tried zooming in?

>>6969651
I'm entirely convinced the only posters in the thread are bots.

>>6969651
change grip
or use your regular screen if you're on a pc

if you're not on a pc
buy a pc

linux wacom user here
my tablet works, i can draw and use pressure. it also recognizes the two buttons. but i want to change their functions.
how do i set up my buttons on my stylus so button 1 is panning and button 2 is undo?
i am using krita
tl dr
i want a menu or command for terminal which allows me to change my buttons on my stylus, one to undo and other to pan.
thanks
i am using a niche ubuntu variation distro so i can't go in activities to find wacom tablet like https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/wacom-map-buttons.html.en says

Can I just get a stylus for my Android phone and go to town? Do they make such things?

>>6969651
grip it orally

>>6969874
Get on KDE, they have a very solid tool for tablet settings.
If you're not on KDE, you gotta at least install it and go the extra mile in setting it up.
>kde installed
>start kded5 from the wm you're using, this is the daemon
>or just add it to a startup script
>systemsettings, opens kde settings regardless
>look for the background services, or qdbus org.kde.kded5 /kded org.kde.kded5.loadModule wacomtablet
>turn on wacom tablet
>go to input
>???
>PROFIT

>>6969874
activities is just a part of the gnome desktop environment. if you really wanted to get that settings menu you could just get the packages for gnome. or find any other alternative desktop environment gui thing.

doubt you are going to get any spoonfeeding tech support on ic. if you really want that try /g/ instead.
but even then they might tell you to RTFL and do it yourself since you decided to use a niche distro.

only tip i'll give you is to look into the command "xsetwacom" if you want to go the cli route.

oh oops guess i type too slow. it would be a shame if i kept adding to the bump limit to this worthless thread.

>>6969893
>>6969894
did it.
found it
xsetwacom set "Wacom name" Button 3 key "ctrl z"
https://askubuntu.com/questions/183354/configuring-wacom-tablet-buttons-and-options

>>6965378
How small is 12" inch stuff for use with my pc (Kamvas 12, Artist 12)? I've been using a Giano V2 since it came out in 2018 after moving from an Intuos 5s but I feel i fucked myself up on it since the drawing area is way too big and has definitely impacted my enjoyment whenever I use it. I only use 1080p screens.

Was kinda planning to use CSP with hidden menus since I mostly use shortcuts to open them up, but again, I don't know how big of an issue the screen is.

>but chinkshit
Don't care, low tier wacom screens are stupid expensive.

As an alternative I was considering getting myself a S6 Lite to practice on the go and maybe use DeX, but that shit is even smaller and I'd have to deal with mid software.

>>6970289
you asked in the wrong thread if you want actual advice from people that draw.

>>6970289
I have an S7 FE that's a bit bigger than 12 inches and it's fine for when I use it to texture paint and sculpt stuff.
Obviously mainly use it to draw on its own and I never found it too small for that but I am /beg/ so you may find it lacking for heavier stuff, CSP has a new simple mode for tablet screens that gets rid of all the annoying desktop menus and just keeps the tools you need for illustration mostly.

>>6970303
Hows your performance sculpting on it? Ive been thinking about the S6 Lite also to use nomad, which seems to be well optimized for mobile

>>6970289
12 inch desktop displays suck dick. minimum to consider is 16.

>>6970313
I don't sculpt on the tablet itself I just connect it as a wireless display to my PC with superdisplay, it works well enough but I rarely use it that way

>>6970369
Have you tried a normal display tablet? How does using your S7 that way feel in comparison?

>>6970546
I've only had a non screen tablet before that had a slightly larger drawing area than the S7 so can't compare sorry

daily reminder that at this current days, you are fine with any brand product of wacom, huion, xp-pen, samsung, and apple, from like 2017 to this date, like, almost any product.
The differences are minimal in the tech actual drawing aspect, and just a valid consideration in things related to cosmetic and comfy workflow.
You can even sketch completely fine with an galaxy note 10.1 from fucking 2012.
All mid tier screentablets are in work scenarios the same in quality, a screen from a wacom cintiq to a huion kamvas to a samsung to a ipad will not have scratches even after several years of continuous work, that's a fact validated from anyone that owns any of those devices by those brands, so stay calm and confident that you will have a decent product and only investigate about the other things that will affect your daily work: types of plugs, length of cables, buttons/sliders, accesories included like stands and their angles, etc.

My only advice is to avoid in any brand any accesory or piece related to wheels or dials, like the deco 03 or the huion dial's models because that part will be the first in break, you are much beter with touch sliders and buttons.

>>6970289
i really think that if you are considerating the small sizes then just go for the 16" models and you will be for sure comfortable with that, because even if you dont use the extra space, you avoid any regret that you could have if you buy the smaller size.

>>6969883
yes, but android pencils are just capacitive, because there is no android device with stylus options, with the particular excepttion of brand that make their product with active pencils like samsung or apple. Some made them with branded pencils like LG, and others, but most of them are capacitive too, that means that the stylus is just a stick, that conducts the electricity of your body/fingers to the screen, so there is no difference with using just your fingers or a stick with aluminum to the tip, is just a comodity, they dont have pressure sensitivity or any feature. That's why they are cheap to buy. So yeah you can buy one for the feeling and will work, but remember that no pressure sensitivity and palm rejection.

>>6970823
>chinaman spreading misinformation again
Embarrassing.

>>6970900
>CHAAANG!!!

>>6970828
I'd say that works for sketching. And that's good enough for when I'm bored and not home. Thanks.

>>6966660
It's pretty solid
i am trash at drawing but i have no issues with the equipament

>>6970937
fuck you chang you piece of shit fucking chinese idiot you dint draw fucking retard chong

What should you set your display scaling to?

>>6970937
Incidentally, I mentioned getting a Deco 01 v2 in an auction at a considerable markdown last thread and it just arrived today. It looks unused. Before I'd purchased it I noted its dimensions and how they compare somewhat favorably with my preferred "backpack" tablet the Intuos 3 PTZ-631W, just being a little smaller. On paper it seems really solid, and in some ways it is, but it's not perfect. For one, the drawing surface sucks. It's basically just plastic, it feels cheap (in fairness, it was) and is weirdly loud. Mine came with a texture sheet, it feels different (wouldn't necessarily say better lol) and is notably even louder. It fits over the hotkeys somewhat but doesn't become truly affixed in place-it becomes loose easily. I don't think tilt works, at least not well, but for the record I think tilt is a gimmick feature and I hold it in as much esteem as I do pressure levels. Speaking of that, I haven't run into any issues or inconsistencies with pressure sensitivity as of yet, but I've been using it for all of 20 minutes.

I stress that the active area of a tablet in this format is the most important metric on which it should be judged, this tablet is "adequate" in that regard specifically-but given my experience with Wacom tablets the corner cutting ends up being conspicuous and even grating.

>>6970984
>uguuuu noises make my heady ache >_<
stfu wacom dicksucker

>>6970984
>that fucking image glitch
Hate it, anyway, listen to this:

https://vocaroo.com/1jJVVKrAywLV

This is an unedited recording from my laptop mic using very little pressure, I can't stress enough how fucking loud this thing is to draw on with the texture sheet on (it's louder in person of course). The surface doesn't "feel" great either, but that's kind of a superficial thing I guess-I wouldn't call it being this loud a non-issue, though.

>>6971006
Literally just sounds like trad art

>>6971006
anon who has one here
yeah you can very obviously hear it and i second >>6971018 it's just like if you were drawing on paper
stop making a issue out of nothing my man

>it's making squeaking noise now
kek

>>6970991
>>6971018
Uhm...cheesed to meet you?

https://vocaroo.com/1nvL8UJIUlvn

>>6971026
is this with the sheet
i use the sheet and mine doesnt sound like that but like real paper
if mine sounded like that then i admit i'd get annoyed

>>6971033
Nah that was without-it's not as frequent as in the sound file, I just found a spot where it was doing it and hit it a few times in a row. It's definitely happening though and isn't rare by any means either. Given these circumstances I'd stick with using the texture sheet, even if it's a little louder in general it's better than having this unpredictable nails on chalkboard sort of thing going on.

Anyway, the GEN 2 is next, I'm actually excited about this one, it looks like a step in the right direction for the format.

>>6971048
>GEN 2
>bluetooth
isnt bluetooth trash for drawing tablets?

>>6971053
Yeah. That sort of thing always seemed redundant to me. I tried using the Intuos 5 wireless back in the day and you have to charge it often enough that it just seemed pointless to ever unplug it to begin with. I don't care about wireless, stylus tilt, pressure sensitivity or the hotkeys much, that's all window dressing. What intrigues me about the Gen 2 is that it's the biggest active area in this format since the (much too big) Intuos 4 XL.

God damn Chinese...

>>6971006
wtf is wrong with you those sounds are downright therapeutic

>>6971592
I don't think I'm able to properly convey the problem over the internet for various reasons because of discrepancies in volume settings and the like, but I'll just say it's loud enough you can hear it very clearly even while listening to music wearing headphones. The stylus also makes a very audible clicking sound, once as it's depressed slightly into the stylus as pressure is applied and once as it resets its position.

On paper it's a good product "for the money"* at $60 MSRP but I never imagined this specific thing would be a problem

*just get more money,

Like most of Wacom's tablets, it is not worth saving a week's wage in exchange for even a marginally worse lifetime drawing experience.

>>6971592 #
I don't think I'm able to properly convey the problem over the internet for various reasons because of discrepancies in volume settings and the like, but I'll just say it's loud enough you can hear it very clearly even while listening to music wearing headphones. The stylus also makes a very audible clicking sound, once as it's depressed slightly into the stylus as pressure is applied and once as it resets its position.

On paper it's a good product "for the money"* at $60 MSRP but I never imagined this specific thing would be a problem

*just get more money, dude

Like most (70%~) of Wacom's tablets, it is not worth saving a week's wage in exchange for even a marginally worse lifetime drawing experience.

With that said and with this experience however, I think my optimism in the Gen 2 XL is not misplaced, and I'll be picking one up when I can.

>>6971645
>and I'll be picking one up when I can.
I still don't understand why you're collecting tablets.

>>6971648
90% of artists quit right as they're about to find that one art accessory that's finally gonna unlock their hidden artistic potential and make it

>>6971648
I have my reasons.

In the Gen 2 XL's case it represents the first real novel design in this format in a long time, a significant departure from the Intuos Large that's remained essentially unchanged since the Intuos 4 generation. My argument has always been that we need flat tablets with big drawing surface areas (to compensate for ever-increasing display sizes) in as small a footprint as possible-and the Deco Pro Gen 2 appears to represent progress towards this ideal. I won't know to what extent until I use it though.

>>6971720
kek

In my case, I'm not quitting drawing any time soon, but what I'm sick of is smiling shills on youtube, less obvious but equally insidious shills on forums and imageboards, and just general ignorance from people who don't know any better influencing others into making decisions that will set them up for years of unnecessary struggle when drawing on its own is already difficult enough. The only reason I care as much as I do is because I was firmly on the other end of it when I first got started and went through many of the same patterns I see others going through.

>>6971771
>making decisions that will set them up for years of unnecessary struggle
>recommends non display tablets
jej

>>6971776
Over 70% of non-display tablets shouldn't even exist, but the ones that have earned that right represent a better way to draw than hunched over an angled screen or suspending your arm mid air to draw on a raised one ever could. It's one of those things precious few people could understand, having never experienced it themselves.

anyway...

>that pristine intuos pro I bought is showing very visible wear after a few hours of drawing total with basically minimal pressure applied
>the stylus is already worn down to a sharp point

bruh

Even with the replaceable surface, I was never a fan of this planned obsolescence "realistic texture" shit both in theory and in practice but it seems like it's worse now than ever. I'm going to draw with this for a month and see what it looks and feels like in the end compared to what it looks like when I first got it.

POOR LITTLE BLACK GUY
Would you look at that: they changed the design of the nib, whatever the supposed initial intentions behind this choice, you can't use previous generation nibs in the current gen stylus (but notably, I'm pretty confident you can use previous gen stylus down to the 4 on the current generation tablet). I almost think it would have been cheating to have swapped the nib out this soon anyway.

>>6971839
I have a screen tablet and ended up using it as a regular non display, the plus is the sensitivy is pretty fucking good and as you mention no arm or fucked up neck problems, I still have some issues but they are more related to my screen/keyboard setup and skill issue (shitty habits while sitting and bad posture)

there are CHINESE here.

I'm thinking I'm going to start a Webtoon. Actually do something.

Anyone know any books on writing horror and
psychological horror specifically? I've seen plenty of movies but I'd like to delve into the theory of it.

so many fucking changs

ching chang chong chi

>>6965431
My Huion does not do any of that

>>6970823
Problem is cash, the 16" model is out of my budget. I would rather get a 22-24" screen instead if not for that, so the idea is I could use the 12 for now.

As for CSP, I mostly use keyboard shortcuts to access the menus so I suppose I could work with a fully expanded window on the tablet screen.

How am I supposed to do the overhand grip with any of these pens? Writing grip is pure cancer to draw with.

>>6971839
>suspending your arm mid air to draw on a raised one ever could.
Too bad that drawing on a flat surface is the fastest way to kill your wrist. Any supposed ergonomic benefit is negated by the carpal tunnel syndrome you'll have 6 months into using a screenless tablet.

>>6973202
you dont

>>6973268
>can't use your whole arm on a sub-24 inch tablet
>can't do overhand grip
>forced to grab the pen right at the front, preventing all lose drawing because that's where the buttons are
Are these things really made for artists? This goes against all common sense, what the fuck.

>>6973202
You don't, you use it like a felt tip pen or mechanical pencil-which you should use to perform these exercises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas

The overhand grip is great, but it's exclusively for traditional media drawing in which the drawing portion is exposed on all sides.

>>6973262
Your wrist being supported by the tablet doesn't contribute to carpal tunnel in the slightest and only aids in prevention of posture-related ailments (neck, shoulders and elbow). However, if you're talking about small and to a lesser extent even medium sized tablets specifically I agree, at least with their contribution to that one specific ailment. This is why I believe that only large format tablets ought to continue being made. Anything smaller basically belongs in a landfill if you care at all about your long term health and your drawing experience.

>>6965707
not him but checking this out
i have about 10 years of pencil-charcoal drawing but i want to get into using a tablet, something electronic
budget is about 500, what do you lads recc to a beginner thats not ipad or apple

>>6973334
There is no such thing as a beginner tablet, the ones promoted as such are far worse for a beginner-who'll naturally have less experience and manual dexterity-than the ones marketed for a pro. The longevity of these devices means that you will likely carry this device with you many years into the future so don't think in those terms.

Get an Intuos Large [3, 4, 5 or Pro]($150-300)
A Huion Inspiroy Giano or an XP-Pen Gen 2 XLW ($200) may have potential as well-but I haven't used either of them as of yet; I can't 100% endorse them outside of their having the dimensions appropriate for your needs as an artist.

fucking stupid chinese

>>6973389
Please stop recommending screenless tablets they're the worst introduction to digital art anyone could ever have

how much of an improvement in performance (layers/canvas size) would a current ipad pro 12.9 be over a second gen equivalent?

>>6965431
>2019

2024

>>6973672
>second gen
do not fall for op. He doesn't draw. 2nd gen is dogshit. 3rd gen or newer.

>do not fall for op. He doesn't draw. 2nd gen is dogshit. 3rd gen or newer.

>>6973763
well thats what id be upgrading from lol

>>6965378
I've been using the same chink tablet since 2019, what's the big deal, did I just get lucky or something

>>6973793
You could just prove him wrong by posting your work

>>6973952
You'd be "upgrading" from a 3rd gen to a 2nd gen? What?

>>6974525
i was referring to MY post, not yours. i currently have a 2nd gen, how much an improvement can i expect if i upgrade to the current gen?

>>6974548
Better pen that will always be charged, usb c instead of apple shit, and less bezel are the biggerest differences. Less bezel means it will fit every case and screen protector for the current gen.

It's also obviously marginally better performance that doesn't really matter for drawing.

>>6974560
>and less bezel
This is bad for drawing, my retarded friend.

>>6974560
so there wont be a significant increase of layers per the same canvas size? the reason i want to upgrade is i use it for LOT of stuff but procreate is the biggest user of resources at like 15gb right now. if i can get larger canvas sizes with more layers that will balloon even larger.

>>6974560
>chinese idiot can't understand anon's simple question

>>6968697
i'm poor
had a ipad and the glass and parallax was shit , it made the drawing experience bad but was not a modern apple pen or laminated display so maybe things are different in a new ipad pro

have a wacom bamboo, drivers suck, the tablet got damaged by the pen in months of use and the cables got problem after a year

have a huion gt 191 , 5 years of use, 90% of the drivers suck, one works, never changed the driver, works well , didn't have any problem mentioned in those treads yet about disconnection and lines , i guess mine worked when i choosed the right driver

recently i got a samsung tab s9+ , the glass don't suck as much as the ipad and the pen works because has a soft tip, but have not even close the same sensitivity that the huion has, inconsistent lines are real , sorry about the guy who thinks that the pressure levels doesn't matter, he just don't draw, it matters and sucks to get used to a worst pen, but as a mobile device it's ok

>>6974627
you can easily fix your problem with the samsung by just buying (or reusing) a wacom pen since they all use the same EMR tech
if you don't have your bamboo pen you can get a wacom one pen for $30, yes it's gonna come with godawful plastic nibs so you'll also need to buy replacements either from wacom (elastomer) or the staedtler noris nibs that have the same texture as the original S Pen (which you would have to buy anyway because it wears out and these are the only decent replacements for it)

>>6973623
When people who don't know any better are led by paid influencers to believe that the concept of a "beginner" tablet is a valid one, and that a beginner tablet means one that's smaller, far less accurate to the movement of the hand, far worse for the health of the wrist, and will make the user's first forays into digital art as cumbersome and unwieldy as possible I can't help but agree.

However, a large format tablet isn't like that at all. People need to understand that they're making a multi-year investment and proceed accordingly. Thinking "what's the least amount of money I can get away with spending" has never been the right way to go about it if drawing is something you care about at all, but it seems to be a tiresomely common one.

>>6974608
>some guy answering a question is randomly chinese

>>6974746
The CHINESE are everywhere.

chin...a...

I just bought a used Wacom Intuos Pro (old model). Is the pen supposed to not register anything when it's on a slight tilt? I tried drawing on /i/ and I pretty much have to stay perpendicular to the tablet the whole time which is super uncomfortable. Same thing on MS Paint.

>>6976023
that's how you know it's made-for-pros

Should I slightly sand the surface of my tablet to get a bit of tooth? Intuous 3 tablet, got a few scratches was going to get a new sheet of plastic or whatever anyway.

Also any source of felt nibs for the old pen? Or cheap way to diy it? Prefer the feel vs nylon.

>>6976023
I don't have one of those, just an old intuous 3 but it absolutely should register tilted, it's supposed to have both tilt and rotation sensitivity. Something fucked with yours or your brush settings or whatever.

>>6976023
Not something I've run into myself. I would say that my stylus is normally at a 70-80 degree tilt most of the time in a neutral "writing" grip, the stylus continues to be read by the tablet at close to 20~ degrees if I hold it weird/like I would a graphite pencil (obviously you can't draw with it like this but it's still being tracked). I'm not sure under what circumstances this kind of issue could manifest.

Tilt "the feature" isn't worth any consideration whatsoever-but your stylus should absolutely be able to be "tilted".

>>6976097
Build up your line confidence with the Dynamic Sketching exercises (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas)) using a mechanical pencil or a felt tip pen. Tooth or grit is a feature with diminishing returns for the artist (but compounding returns for Wacom et. al.). It has an okay "feeling" initially, but asymmetries in the surface quickly begin to build up. This throws off your line work as the stylus meets greater resistance on one portion and less on the next. I've been using the more recent Pro model a bit lately and it definitely reaffirmed my low opinion of that design choice, so I'd urge you to reconsider improvising it.

iPad Air 4th Gen
iPad Air 5th Gen
iPad 10th Gen
These are my options, anyone actually had a hands-on experience drawing on one of these?

XP pen artist 16 gen 2 or last XP pen artist pro 22 or should get a intuos pro ?

>>6976430
Intuos Pro and it's not even close.

>>6976430
Why are you asking in the wacom shill general?

mumps?

good drawing tablet that comes with a screen? was thinking of Huion 16 pro. my budget is around $300

>>6976773
wrong thread

>>6976791
???

well can you direct me to the right one then?

>>6976793
this is the thread to shill wacom and apple products.

>>6976802
wow. what a profound statment. so can you give me some advice or are you just going to continue melodrama against "them" or whoever.

>>6976773
see:
>>6976819

>>6976829
thank you

>>6976802
No, you're just butthurt that all your Chinese tablets are garbage.

>>6965378

>>6977323
brrrrrrrrrrrrrap

what do you think about iPad?

>>6977540
procreate is great software but getting swindled into the apple ecosystem is doodoo fucking fart caca

>>6977564
As opposed to Windows?

>>6978692
i dont even know what you're trying to get at with this question, windows isn't even competing with apple

>>6978723
just bumping my thread with a worthless post.

>>6978723
Procreate is exclusive to the iPad because iPadOS is the only operating system that optimizes the gesture based workflow to an acceptable level. Wacom's touch functionality has always been miles behind.

Ignore this gaslighting retard: >>6978759

>>6978810
>Wacom's touch functionality
there are brands other than wacom, Aaron.

>>6978810
CSP on android flows just as smoothly especially with the new simple mode UI and if you get a samsung you're literally using the exact same technology wacom uses in their tablets with the added benefit of a proper touch screen, once you get used to them regular drawing tablets and their shortcuts/controllers seem clunky and archaic

>>6978820
Touch controls are clunky to me because they interrupt my workflow significantly compared to a good macro pad. Literally bought a 2nd tourbox instead of having to use touch.

>>6978820
No, you don't get it. Samsung/Wacom still haven't gotten palm rejection right. iPads are far better at distinguishing between pen and palm for gesture based workflows.

Android in general isn't anywhere near as well optimized for tablets as iPadOS is.

>>6978855
You don't draw.

>>6978855
never had issues with palm rejection on my S7, wear a glove

>>6978859
You can preach your experiences all you like, its objectively proven Galaxy tabs have worse palm rejection. Palm rejection includes fingers too.
I have an S8 Ultra and an iPad Pro 2nd gen, and the iPad feels better to draw on, gestures are much more responsive and I never get unintended lines.

>>6978862
>Palm rejection includes fingers too.
cool. wear a glove, retard.

>>6978864
>wear a glove
How idiotic are you? What do you think a gesture based workflow is?

I know you're desperately trying to rationalize your expensive investment, but you're clearly a complete moron.

>>6978866
>What do you think a gesture based workflow is?
Oh, you're never seen an art glove before. Not surprising really since you sent draw.

>>6978871
don't*

>>6978871
No point in even trying to hold any discussion with a schizo moron like you. You will always be a loser.

>>6978873
Digital art gloves cover your palm, ring finger, and pinky finger. Your index, middle, and thumb are still free. They offer palm rejection while still letting you use touch gestures. You would know this if you actually drew :)

>>6978875
A gesture based workflow means literally using your hands and fingers for gesture shortcuts.

I honestly cannot believe how stupid you are, idiot. You are probably the threadwars faggot who always thinks he's fighting his boogieman.

>>6978875
Not him but even with a glove on an Ipad the palm rejection isn't that good in CSP. You would know this if you...well...

>>6978873
again, you can prove him wrong by simply posting your work

>>6978879
despite being anonymous, you're probably the easiest person on the entire board to spot. I would love to hear how you can't use gestures while wearing a digital art glove though. You can surely explain how it's impossible since you definitely draw.

>>6978880
get a proper glove and not a neoprene hand condom?

>>6978886
What do you recommend? I keep buying the cheap black huion brand gloves.

>>6978889
Neoprene drawing gloves are useful for keeping your screen clean and let your hand glide easily, but useless for palm rejection. try dokiwear.

>>6978893
>dokiwear

Ah I bought that a long time ago but that was way before I got a screen tablet + I lost it. I'll consider it but I'm still skeptical if it'll actually prevent my palm clicking into panels when it shouldn't.

>>6978893
nta but i wanted to buy one or two of these but they don't ship to my country, are there any good alternatives?

>>6978897
they have a suede panel covering any part of your hand that would come in contact with the screen when drawing normally. I've used them for years since they actually work unlike every shit glove I found on Amazon

>>6978898
none that I've seen unfortunately. I bought 6 gloves in case they ever go out of business since I couldn't find any alternatives. Before I got one, I had a neoprene glove that I sewed panels of fabric on (worked pretty well desu but looked like shit since I can barely sew)

>>6965378

I wonder if China is listening

>>6965378

maybe even... watching....

>>6965378
hey folks, just picked up a tab s6 lite, but i'm not really liking the drawing experience. would it be better to purchase a matte screen protector or get used to the glass because i've seen ipads with washed out colours and hazy text due to the diffusion layer

>>6979438
For me matte screen protector + hard replacement nib is a godsend. Get a "paperlike" screen protector otherwise its just matte and aren't designed with drawing in mind. Also you need the hard nib, rubber nib wears out in a week and it makes too much grip anyway

>>6979459

I can confirm this is true, I tried a plain matte and it physically catches or randomly stops a smooth pass with the nib.

>>6965378

I love Chinese tablets

I'm interested in getting the XP-Pen Deco Pro (gen2); thoughts?

>>6980221
I've got the Gen 2 XLW model coming in the next few days. I'll keep you posted when I've given it a once over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpXwY6FV3k

>>6980228
Alright, I'll be lurking

>>6980221
Chinese garbage

>>6980497
you don't draw

shhh... Chinese are here

>>6981336
>>6979397
>>6979217
>>6975970
>>6973564
>>6972478
>>6972457
>>6972177
>>6971574
>>6968123
Why

>>6981426
idk, why bump your thread on a slow ass board?

>>6981736
At least post something to contribute to the thread, is annoying to check the new replies and find out that is literally nothing

Been working on the 12.9 iPad for almost a year and tried my old 21” Cintiq again on a whim. Despite the bigger workspace I get so much more done on the iPP. Arm has to travel much further on a bigger screen to hit menu items, and I’m usuallylly only able to focus on an area the size of an IPad anyway. Using Clip Studio on the iPad with a BT keyboard has given me the best of hotkeys and touch interface. I’d sell the Cintiq if it wasn’t so old.
Is touch any good on the new screen tablets?
Never use a glove on the iPP and no problems with palm rejection.

>>6981426
shut up chang

>>6965378

>>6982169
>CHAAAAANG!!!!

>>6965378

anyone have huion's new android tablet? i don't know if it's in a preorder session as i thought people like brad colbow and teoh yi chie would review this immediately if it's on sale.

>>6982532
>10"
>slick glass
>battery powered pen
>limited pressure sensitivity for a modern tablet
>probably shit color
I know it's cheap as fuck, but it seems like a pretty bad deal vs just buying a 2nd hand ipad or galaxy tab s_ desu
They're marketing it towards kids though, so there's that

>>6982538
i've a tab s already, but i'm always open to other products, even though in this particular case buying this product in where i live would cost wayyy more than the options you listed even firsthand. i was left pretty happy with the basic bitch screenless tablet i bought from them years ago as an emergency replacement for my wacom intuos and didn't make me feel like i was using a different tablet. even though kids are going to download tiktok and modded ibispaint x maximum, i feel like there are going to be a few adults as well, steps like these could help android drawing space to grow. since huion comes from art hardware space my hopes are it's better than oneplus, xiaomi and huawei tablets even if it's not apple or samsung quality. i like the smaller but less gimmicky softwares we have (even though i'd love certain apps from appstore to get ported) however i also want the android space to grow, especially would love if we got a killer app like how apple ecosystem has procreate

though every pressure&tilt sensitive tablets that doesn't run on a desktop OS seems to be stuck with batteries, except the ones that use wacom tech. from the top of my head i think it was a patent issue with wacom, which also caused non-wacom tablets of 2000's/early 2010's requirement of batteries. when, but might be a form of planned obsolescence when i think about it.

>>6979459
>>6979472
how are the colours? are they really that bad?

>>6974644
The staedtler noris nibs are compatible with the wacom one pen?

>>6982591
yes, and the spen as well

>>6965378

>>6982733
lol

>>6982735

China? Is that you?

As promised, I'll share my impressions soon.

>>6983102
BASED

I'm going to have to use a Windows machine to judge this thing fairly-unless I can figure out how to properly install the Linux drivers before the end of the day.

It's noteworthy that I hadn't had to go out of my way in this regard with any of my Wacom tablets nor the XP-Pen Deco 01 v2 I'd gotten a week or so ago, but I won't rush to bad conclusions without being certain-still I need to talk about this.

So, the larger active surface area and overall design is a step in the right direction. It really feels nice to draw on, the textured surface isn't overbearing nor does it seem half, maybe even a quarter as brittle as the Intuos Pro's is. If it were just its physical form we were talking about, it could represent a serious threat to Wacom and I still think it's possible, provided I don't encounter the sort of hiccups I've run into once I'm in the Windows ecosystem I'm more comfortable with.

Unlike the Deco 01 v2 the tilt works (not that anyone should give a shit about a feature like that to be honest) but I've encountered quite a few actual issues so far.

Sleep Mode(?) - It seems to want to "sleep" if the stylus isn't within read distance and it goes to sleep QUICK, like a deep sleep in under 10 seconds. The time it takes to wake up seems to vary but it's been consistently in the 10-15 seconds range. Ok holy shit it just took 27 seconds. If it's away for 5 seconds or less it will wake up quite a bit quicker, but anything more and you're going to waiting.

Broken lines - Frequent enough to warrant attention, I've run into inorganically broken or staggered lines like in the picture that can occur on contact or somewhere in the middle of the line.

For now, there really isn't much else to say, these are serious enough issues to where my current verdict is that-despite the very intelligent overall design externally that I was so initially thrilled about-it's basically unusable for me at this time.

Oh yeah, it's also just stuttering a bit at times in general too. Like freezing in place-and the fact it falls asleep in the time it takes me to write two sentences out like this is maddening.

I could alleviate this specific issue by leaving the stylus on the tablet the entire time, but I'll have to break my current habits to remember to do that-and doing so also means I could potentially brush the stylus away by accident (doing so in the past so often is how I got in the habit of not letting go of it until I was essentially done drawing to begin with).

Again though, while this isn't looking great at this moment, I'm not going to dishonestly claim that I've done everything I can and am supposed to do on my end either, these issues I'm dealing with could all very well be completely mitigated by a properly installed driver, I've just gotten away with not worrying about that with previous things I'd tested-including from the same company-so I've been caught off guard a bit

Alright, I'm retarded. The sleep mode thing is real, but if you make contact with the surface it comes back pretty much instantly. hurr

Actually nah, having to decide between waiting 20 seconds for the stylus to read or making blind contact with the surface (which will activate whatever tool you have selected in your drawing software) still sucks. So even if I'm retarded I'm still going to claim righteous indignation here.

>also it's still doing...whatever the hell this is as-well as just freezing up intermittently from time-to-time.

Still, let's not get too excited, I'll reserve a real final judgement until I can safely say I have everything set up properly.

>>6965378
How much trust can one put in their on line control abilities when there's the workaround of using a less than stellar screenless? I feel bad relying on stabilization, but if this blasted tablet is going to make lines wiggly regardless I can abate at least some of that guilt.

Alright guys. So, unfortunately even after the driver install on a mostly fresh copy of windows things haven't improved from my initial impressions. Going into this I was ready to call this a Great Leap Forward for this kind of tablet, the new Intuos 3 maybe even, but I can't in good conscious recommend this thing.

>You are not able to control the wildly inconsistent Sleep Mode feature through the driver software and contrary to what I believed tapping the surface isn't the cure-all I'd thought it was
>still experiencing cursor freeze regularly
>inorganic, rapid changes in stroke direction
>not going to bother with the remote hotkey thing because something like that isn't "remotely" important

Competition is good. Wacom has enjoyed what is essentially a monopoly for many years, and this design on its face with its modest footprint, larger active area, uncluttered, minimalist design and durable (at least moreso than the Intuos Pro) surface had the potential to represent a major improvement to this long-neglected tablet format, but this isn't the world-beater it could have been. The truly smart elements of its design are hampered by weird inconsistencies with its performance that are too significant and persistent to ignore.

>inb4 this picture is sideways for some reason

>>6983619
>>6983617
E-mail support with the problems. They got back to me quickly with new firmware for a problem I had with the XP-Pen Deco 01 V2.

>>6983622
We already know you're the marketing department, chinese retard.

did someone say CHINA???

>>6965378

fucking Chinese at it again

>>6982532
You can always wait for Teoh and Brad Colbow's reviews on those. I feel like only those two are the most objective tablet reviewers around.

>>6983948
>Teoh and Brad Colbow's reviews
Two known chinese shills. Good job retard.

>>6983988

>>6982588

Paper matte usually adds a transparent white film. It's not that bad especially if you're using at least one more monitor anyways.

Mommy gave me 500 on xmas. Want to buy me a screen tablet. Really afraid of buying something expensive with this shit not working or breaking within a year. Read a lot of scary reviews. Maybe some anon may convince me otherwise about some specific model in the price range? The cheaper the better.

But I am also thinking about buying regular tablet with no screen for inking and coloring and a simple office scanner to scan my paper sketches. Would it work as intendent or are there pitfalls I don't see? I used to have wacom one but couldn't tech myself to draw on it at all and I also can't really find any examples of people showing good complex drawings with no-screen tablets. It seems like they are just a meme for begs so I'm also afraid of not being able to even ink my sketches with it. Thoughts?

>>6984258
Kamvas 22 plus. There is no better option in that price range.

>>6984258
tab S9 FE+

>>6984258
Ignore Chang who is already trying to scam you: >>6984261
Chinese imitation tablets are riddled with issues and poor build quality. It's just not worth the trouble.

The best value for money in your price range is a used iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil, that is assuming you want a display tablet. A Galaxy Tab is also worth checking out; see if you can demo them at your local retailer and see which one you prefer.

>>6984275
>CHINAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

>>6984275
you literally don't draw.

>>6984307
but I do bump

>>6984258
>I used to have wacom one but couldn't tech myself to draw on it at all

It's almost like projecting your 32-inch gaming monitor onto a drawing surface the size of a post-it note is a bad idea. You could hardly teach yourself to use a computer mouse if you cranked its sensitivity all the way the furthest it'd go either and it's essentially the same thing. Your movements can only get so slight and subtle when they're exaggerated so much by the tool you're using.

In my test using a ruler and ellipse guide, a 2-inch motion on a One by Wacom yields a 650 pixel line on your display-a full horizontal third of a 1080 monitor from two inches of motion, whereas you'll get a 305 pixel line on an Intuos Large (320 for an Intuos 3), so what you see on your screen is much more consistent with what you're doing with your hand. At that point, it's pretty seamless and the advantages drawing in this manner has can be experienced.

The tablet you bought is indeed a /beg/ trap, one meant to pressure you into buying a screen-a purpose for which it's much more capable than it is for actually drawing with.

oh fuck the anti screen retard is here

>>6984384
and what, Tech Neck? Scoliosis-ass No-Draw Nigga? lmaaaaao

>>6984258

Go for something with a size you can live with. I've found the Kamvas Pro 24 to be gigantic for the space it takes up. I prefer the size of my Samsung S8 Ultra (14.6") or my Asus X16 Flow 2022 (16").

In all seriousness, pretty good right? Look at these clean, effortless lines and curves. Kind of weird how so few people in these-now multiple threads-actually seem to want to post their work isn't it? It's a shame but I guess you have no choice but to consider me the sole authority in these threads after all.

>>6984496
>Kind of weird how so few people in these-now multiple threads-actually seem to want to post their work isn't it?
it's a thread about tablets, not really about attention whoring with random unrelated artwork.
>I guess you have no choice but to consider me the sole authority
you're so unbelievably stupid, you make the guzzler look like a genius.

>One of my post gets filtered by janny
>Wacumguzzler's chink ramblings remained
Yup. That proves it. The wacumguzzler is sleeping in bed with the jannies.

>>6984732
I've never seen a dude so weirdly obsessed with china before. like 50 posts in this thread are just randomly complaining about china.

>>6984781

The entire OP is dedicated to a strange obsession with Wacom or Wacom EMR tablets. I can only guess it's a desperate marketing effort for vastly overpriced Wacom to recover against Huion.

The webm that is posted repeatedly where the Huion doesn't work properly can be recreated if you apply a clear matte protector on top, creating fake evidence of bad tablets.

>>6965378

is it worth buying an old intuos 3d cth690 for 25 bucks? from what i'm reading it uses the same pen as the wacom one and the draw series, i've never used a wacom tablet and i've never been able to get used to the shitty software and pens that the chinese tablets use.

>>6985127
you can't really go wrong at the price of a pizza delivery
but considering how bad new budget pen tablets are from Wacom (the One series mostly) it's probably not a bad choice anyway

>>6984525
>thread about tablets
What kind of tablets? Is there some sort of function they perform? A demonstration of their function from the position of experience and ownership is not only topical, but essential.

>random unrelated artwork
This was drawn localized entirely in this thread and has been posted nowhere else, it's neither unrelated nor random, it's a deliberate response to recurring statements made in the thread.

"I can't draw without a screen accurately"
etc.

I offer an alternative to these conclusions others made and my understanding of where they originate from based on personal experience rather than conjecture or assertions made in ignorance. It is for this reason and others that I'm graciously appointing myself as the Emperor of Tablets, with the rest of the posters here beneath me until they prove their rank (which will remain lower than mine even if they're better than me).

>you're so unbelievably stupid
If I'm so stupid why am I the Emperor? lol owned
I like you though, you can be the Herald of the East, who brings almost suspiciously good tidings from our friends in the orient.

>>6985127
It is a no-brainer.
Don't let the chinese retard con you again. Intuos 3's are reliable and still widely used by professionals today.

>>6985216
Definitely agree with regards to the Intuos 3-however he's talking about the CTH-690 which is the larger of the previous generation non-pro Intuos range. Were he to own one of the smaller reverse-compatible tablets he'd mentioned I'd say it'd be a nice little upgrade for $25, but with that not being the case I feel he should use the $25 for a ream of printer paper, some mechanical pencils and a clipboard to follow along with Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching class, and only buy a tablet once he can afford and Intuos 3,4, 5 or Pro large instead.

>>6984472
>>6984379
>>6984275
what would you say about wacom one?

>>6965378

>>6985234
calm down with the verbosity, the turgidity of your communication engenders an air of circumlocutory pretension, serving only to dilute your reasoning and discombobulates the very people you seek to enlighten.

>>6985276
The state religion of the Empire deems all screen-bearing tablets as being cut from the same demonic cloth. The criminal tech-wizards caught attempting to distribute these dangerous artefacts amongst the populace are to be ushered away to the baleful Tower of Shrimpery, an ancient prison where all those who threaten the public's postural health are endured. Once there, they are subjected to the Kurse of Kyphosis, to sit in a less than ideal position for long stretches of time until their countenance resembles that of a freshwater crustacean, ultimately turning their sinister, sorcerous machinations back upon them.

>>6985276 #
The state religion of the Empire deems all screen-bearing tablets as being cut from the same demonic cloth. The criminal tech-wizards caught attempting to distribute these dangerous artefacts amongst the populace are to be ushered away to the baleful Tower of Shrimpery, an ancient prison where all those who threaten the public's postural health are interred. Once there, they are subjected to the Kurse of Kyphosis, to sit in a less than ideal position for long stretches of time until their countenance resembles that of a freshwater crustacean, ultimately turning their sinister, sorcerous machinations back upon them.

How is the Intuos 4 different from the Intous 3?

>>6985635
my idol doesn't use the intuos 4, and I don't have a stockpile of 700 of them I'm trying to offload on to idiots.

>>6985635
It is the first Intuos designed exclusively for the wider format of the emergent flat and wide screen LCD monitor, it is the first to have a slight texture to its drawing active area and "touch ring". It has little lcd screens that tell you what your hotkeys are set to as well which are quite cute. They are functionally identical to the 5 and later Pro designs, accurate and modern but also more susceptible to wear than the 3 was.

>>6985659
bro you are seriously mentally ill. you've been spamming this shit all thread, nobody cares about your threadwars.

>>6985798
real shizo hours

Fuckin Chinese government

I just got a Huion kamvas 12 which advertised that it has tilt control, I can't seem to get it to work and I can't find anything online to get it to work.

Anyone else have similar problems and manage to get it to work? What did you do?

>>6986698
Pffffahahahahahha you are a moron.

>>6986714
Yes, I get it, you have unrelenting hatred for every tablet company that doesn't rhyme with jenkum. Stop huffing Wacom cum and help me out

>>6986785
Is that why I regularly recommend Samsung and used iPads?
You are a complete moron, and deserve all the misery you get.

>>6965378
my old drawing tablet's (screenless) outer layer started to peel off in some spots.
what do I do?

>>6986698

What application(s) are you using? Not all brushes "have" tilt control.

>>6986841
Get a bigger one from ebay that's missing the stylus, if you have the biggest one, find one in better condition that's missing the stylus

how should i hold my stylos?

>>6987083
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas

>>6987106
but this is trad
what is the best way to confortably focus on using the shoulder and keep the stylos at 90

>>6985276
Cintiq 16 is going for $500. Would get that or the Huion Kamvas 22 Plus like the other anon mentioned.
Cintiq is going to have a notably better pen with lower initial activation force and wider pressure range between lightest and heaviest pressure, better drivers and better customer support while the Huion is going to be larger, cheaper and supports VESA mount.

>>6985276

If the price is right, I think it will work fine.

>>6987160
>better customer support
You've never dealt with wacom customer service I take it? Every talking point just sounds like parroting what you heard elsewhere rather than personal experience.

>>6986841
anyone? maybe sanding it a little will help? I'd rather not buy a new one since the spots are pretty small but they seem to be getting bigger by the day

>>6987014
it isn't a Wacom

>>6987508
A lot of Huion and XP-Pen models share stylus compatibility. Admittedly it's harder to find third party tablets without the stylus, but honestly they're so inexpensive even complete it doesn't seem like something worth getting super worked up about. If it's bothering you just replace it with a lightly used Intuos Large, or keep using this one until it literally falls apart in your hands and then buy a lightly used Intuos Large. Or even a new one, who gives a shit-these things can last decades.

>>6987380
Yeah I don't personally trust Wacom any more than the others, my first Cintiq was a brand new 12WX I bought release year, and it had a miserable issue where the pressure sensitivity would spike very regularly (basically 100% pressure every 5-15 strokes) and when I emailed them in desperation they told me to kill myself (not really, but you know, they basically deflected blame and wouldn't do anything about it lol). I'm not really expecting any better out of XP-Pen with regards to the issues with the Gen 2 I just bought-but I'm not going to pretend that Wacom has ever done right by me in that way or get all histrionic about it either.

>>6987508

Can you peel it off? If the size is known, you could possibly buy a new film and put it on top.

>>6987645
True, you could get some kind of acetate sheet or some other thing from a hardware store and cut it to size (might cost you nearly as much as the tablet itself though lol). There was this one-sided adhesive stuff I found that worked pretty well to restore a terribly beat up Intuos 4 but I can't remember what it was called (not that it was a perfect solution anyway). I'll post a picture later maybe.

>>6987380
I had a really good time with wacom support but granted that was a while back. If their support has deteriorated then that's really disappointing given their pricepoint, I really expected them to keep up with that given the rising competition.
My Huion support experience was okay but just ended up being basic troubleshooting into "it's impossible to solve your problem" which was an unsatisfying end to about a week of bacj and forth.

>>6987644
>who gives a shit-these things can last decades.
they do? are they made of a different material, I'd rather not have the next one die on me barely any use too

>>6987645
it's a regular one (no screen) so it doesn't have any film whatsoever, it's literally falling apart

>>6987669
>die on me after giving it barely any use too

>>6987669

If the tablet is physically falling apart, unless you want to use baking soda, super glue, and screen material, you are going to have to buy another tablet.

>>6987669
This is an Intuos 3 PTZ-631W (11 x 6), 20 years or so old, nearly anyway. I myself have been using it daily at work and my parents' house every day since I bought it with zero visible wear. The Intuos 3 (12 x 9) I use at my apartment is in similar condition. You can find a lot of old 4s, 5s and Pros still kicking as well, although because of their textured surface and detachable USB they're not quite as durable (the newer pros from 2017/19 have replaceable [$40] surfaces though so I guess that's a compromise of sorts; I fully expect them to last a long time as well, their deteriorating condition notwithstanding). These tools have no moving parts and generate no heat, barring physical damage to the surface or inputs, or freak occurrences like a short in the built-in cable in the case of the 3 they can accompany you for a great many years of your art journey.

>>6987691
(Oh yeah though for the record I bought them both secondhand so I can only say for certain they'd been used very consistently for 2-3 years, but still-I highly doubt they'd been completely unused that entire time since their initial release)

oh shit I think I just saw a chinese

oh fuck another

they're EVERYWHERE

even...

>>6985120

Is the current gen iPad a good buy for art purposes?
Are we expecting the next gen iPad to be a massive leap, and are we expecting it soon?

>>6984275
Shitposting aside, do we have any good examples of serious artists recommending Chinese brands? I suspect they're probably fine, but finding good mature advice is difficult

>>6990272
Ergojosh, tb choi, personal ami, jazza (lol), there are a lot of pros, both industry and freelance, that use and recommend chink tablets.

Is the intuos4 usable these days?

I've been eyeing a secondhand iPad pro 12.9 3rd gen, would there be any reason or justification to spend significantly more for a used 5th gen? I was gunning for a 1tb model which apparently has more ram anyway (on par with 4th gen) and if I got anything later gen it probably wouldn't have as much memory to work with for my price range anyway.

I hear the newest models have pen hover though, how much of a game changer is that for drawing?

>>6990264
If the recent changes to the pen are anything to go by, no

>>6990308
>no
as in, no it's not a good buy?
or no the next ipad isn't going to be a massive leap?
or no we're not expecting it soon (but could be a big leap)?

>>6990310
>no the next ipad isn't going to be a massive leap?
what exactly are you hoping they do?
only things they can really improve for art are pen tech (battery free) and etched glass. Neither of which are going to happen, because Apple doesn't care about improving their product for art.

>>6990310
the only advancements iPads made for art in the last decade were getting the pencil and bigger screens when they introduced the Pro, it's been quite literally stagnant since then and they're starting to strip features out of newer pens now (gen2 usb-c has no pressure sensitivity)
Apple isn't even interested in offering bigger sizes
if you want one, just buy one whenever it's most convenient/cheapest for you these things last for ages unless you have the chronic slippery hands syndrome most applefags seem to

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>>6990316
ok thanks i'm leaning towards springing for a current model.
I'll need to read up more on
>gen2 usb-c has no pressure sensitivity
I assume during regular wireless use, the Pencil retains pressure sensitivity otherwise that would be outrageous

>>6990322
>i'm leaning towards springing for a current model.
there is literally no difference for art from the 3rd gen to the current offering.

>>6990322
It genuinely has no pressure sensitivity at all, by design
https://youtu.be/ypsayNjvoXs?si=-D-PaMU7Lw2yII-K

>>6990323
what about laminated glass? What gen are you advocating for here? Surely 3rd gen is too old

>>6990325
ok so i'd need to buy the 1st gen pencil even if i get the latest ipad model.
That's very weird but god to know - i would not have thought to look into whether that feature had been ditched and could have bought the wrong thing

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>>6990326
Jesus man did you think we were talking about the ipad 3 from 2012? 3rd gen ipad pro. 2nd gen apple pencil.

>>6990327
definitely get the gen2 pen just make sure it's not the USB-C variant

>>6990331
It's a valid question for base iPads, the gen10 doesn't have a laminated display and neither will the gen11 but all iPad pro gens are laminated from the get go
The pro iPads are the only ones really worth looking into for art anyway

>>6990331
>>6990332
Understood now, thanks frens
Is there a recommended place to buy these 3rd gen models? Are they still new?

>>6990272
I've bought 4 non-wacom tablets (the Huion Wh1409 Giano, the Huion H106, the XP-Pen Deco 01 v2 and Gen 2) and until a friend told me it was giving him trouble (the battery-powered stylus on the Giano went bad on him pretty quick) I would have recommended one out of three of them (the Huion WH1409 "Giano"). Now years later I'm waiting on the Inspiroy Giano to arrive to see if things have changed. If I think it's competitive with a used Intuos Large I will say as much, that's the measure by which any other tablet (including Wacom's) should be judged.

Don't trust youtubers, to use a very topical, seasonal analogy they are ignorant at best and Judas Iscariots who will gladly betray their peers for thirty pieces of silver (a few hundred dollars by today's standard) at worst.

>>6990299
The digitizer resolution, dimensions and even hotkey layout of the Intuos 4 are for all intents and purposes identical to current generation models. Yes it's perfectly usable and even superior in some ways (surface is a bit more durable, hotkeys have a little lcd showing what key they're set to). All you're missing out on are touch features and wireless, which are both completely worthless. In many ways, the Intuos 4 is actually peak. I use the 3 because of its cosmetic durability and longevity but there's nothing wrong with a 4 whatsoever.

>>6990341
1 out of *4 of them

Is the hover function and extra procreate layers on gen 6 ipads worth spending the extra cash?

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>>6990341
>Don't trust youtubers, to use a very topical, seasonal analogy they are ignorant at best and Judas Iscariots who will gladly betray their peers for thirty pieces of silver (a few hundred dollars by today's standard) at worst.
This.
But the resident shill here loves to peddle the idea that you must trust them.

You do not need an ARM-based iPad Pro.

Any Linux tards here?
I know nothing about digital drawing tablets/screens what should i look into?
Don't wanna get ishit pro or galaxy fag S unless i can flash custom rom into it, but i prefer a screen rather then tablet for 400 to 500 bucks budget, also can that screen be used as a second monitor ?? I am assuming it has good color palette and brightness it would compliment my high refresh rate gayming monitor