/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Would anyone be able to share a better method of making a simplified body?


In my pic related I was trying to copy the top right, I've already been through Vilpu's basic figure drawing and Loomis figure drawing for all its worth (read both, did exercises and copied the female drawings), but even after copying those I struggle to even get something as half as close to what I actually want to draw like pic related

>>6962700
Finished.
God, inking is a bitch, I love it

>>6967422
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

i want to render like In Hyuk Lee. is his course good? or any other similar tutorials?

meow..

>>6967463
>hyuk
what a fucking name

I’m still not drawing. After how long can you no longer consider yourself an artist?

>>6967422
I always love the OP collages lmao

>>6967475
Webcomic-core. Did you crop the image because of nsfw?

>I’m still not drawing. After how long can you no longer consider yourself an artist?

>>6967477
you never were an "artist" to begin with

>I’m still not drawing. After how long can you no longer consider yourself an artist?

>>6967490
>Did you crop the image because of nsfw?
yes

>>6967497
Show it

>over

>>6967498
https://files.catbox.moe/dpmzxk.png

>>6967503

>>6967435
>inking

>>6967475
>>6967503
hey, i know you. cammie, or something like that. i dont know if youre in these threads regularly, but i just showed up. i love that incest comic you made (inb4 which one), i have it saved around here somewhere. i hope you keep drawing!

>>6967530
Hey thank you dude

>>6967499
cool robo spider

>>6967234
For visibility so those anons realize they got a (you)

Wtf bros I thought you said anyone could learn to draw

I will keep trying until it sticks to the wall.

>>6967499
Looks good I really like the purples

>>6967582
I've seen worse
Use a pencil and not a crayon

>>6967586
>https://files.catbox.moe/dpmzxk.png
from young to madonna

>>6967582
i thought those were asteroids or The Moon.

>>6967586
absolutely hideous

I feel like I'm getting a decent handle on full body gestures with some croquis every day. It still isn't great, but I can see the progress.
Should I just do the same kind of thing for each relevant part (hands, faces, breasts, etc)?

Though with all this I realize that I'm avoiding the obvious thing of doing studies.

>>6967632
just do it dude, if it works keep doing it, else don't have fun

I don't belong on the /int/ side

Pure permabeg

help with this I can't seem to get the perspective right

>>6967648
snek

>>6967648
unhinged, kino draws. no critique but im excited to see the finished product anon

I inked the yesterday sheet to practice the pen

>>6967430
fellow trylsc admirer, check out the simple/complex method of drawing torsos from will weston's classes and start with the contrapposto and add details from there

>>6967422
>my Raven made it in the OP image
Aw shucks OP

>>6967422

>>6967722
work on your necks/shoulder and upper body area, and remember neck is not a straight line. otherwise nice work

>>6967722
>painted shoulder blades
>tits hanging from the collarbone
>deformed face
>neck area straight as a ruler

ugh.... you need to learn some fucking fundies sweatie.

how long should you labour over projects art textbooks give you?
I'll read a chapter of Eviston then do that chapter's exercise for an hour (he says to only do one a day).
but I reached the part where you learn shading and just keep practicing that every day.
is it more useful to just do 1-2 reps of each project then move onto other books?
I've been trapped in this book forever so I have no frame of reference, it's my first art book

>>6967722
You are starting to draw like goblin gains m8, seek help before is too late.

Hello beg. With this the book is now officially finished. As usual i will take a 1 day vacation, use the time to play diablo2 and recollect on my loomis thoughts and then probably pick up Vilppu book. I dont recommend anyone to try to learn from pain with pencil, the skill curve is absolutely fucked up.

>>6966579
>what have you learned from loomis
The head model and simplistic body model are rather practical. There was very little wisdom in the book, but i recon i got a good mileage out of the book. I legit started to draw stuff i dont see. But i would most likely learn this even without the pain with pencil book
>>6967503
anon you forgot to draw her booba
>>6967582
pain with the pencil
>>6967585
this is first time i have seen someone autistically counting paintbrushes. i kneel in front of your autism
>>6967586
i see you are slowly but surely growing into late impressionism style
>>6967632
PYW
>>6967757
needs more loomis and more booba
>>6967783
i have spent total 14 days on that book. but at that point it was my 5th beg book, so i was pretty "experienced" already, feel free to take 28 days. The goal is to draw every day, not to keep redrawing same retarded exercises from 1 art book which told you to keep doing it until you die

>>6967776
the neck is most likey a cylinder for the animei girl and the breasts are connect to the pectoralis
also, you should take your own advice >>6965801
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Pay attention everyone, this is what a case of terminal Permabegness looks like >>6967791

>>6967790
I've been on this Eviston book for a year now
(albeit not drawing most days, and often gave up following the book to just copy manga girls).
assumed with these textbooks you were supposed to go slow and practice every thing they tell you, instead of counting on reading to help you.

>>6967794
says the stagnant tagalog speaker

>>6967722
i think this looks good

>>6967802
don't worry anon it's just one poster from asg known for being a dick

>>6967799
i will rather be a stagnant /pro/int/beg/ making a bank than being stuck posting in /ic/ /beg/ getting dabbed on for still being a...beg.

>>6967810
maniwala sa kung ano ang nagpapaganda sa iyong pagtulog

>>6967790
>needs more loomis and more booba
Well I was following a tutorial.

>>6967757
this only looks slightly worse than the actual show

>>6967585
What's the impasto brush you're using in top right? I've been trying to get that look in photoshop without any luck.

>>6967819
Her right arm came out a little shorter and probably some other stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2ySdOWz4k here's the video I was watching

>>6967830
left arm. Her left. lol.

>>6967586
Learn to draw before trying to learn to paint.

>>6967790
>anon you forgot to draw her booba
12yos dont have booba

how can I copy out manga drawings in a way that gives me some 'fundamentals'?

>>6967860
learn ze fundamentals first, then deconstruct and practice ze manga drawings

>>6967860
look at reference then try to construct it on your own from scratch
do this a lot

If everything here looks good, I’ll consider turning this sketch into a finished piece with clean line art and rendering

>>6967864
I don't know how to construct things from scratch besides spheres and boxes

Does anyone got a reference or guide for color mixing trad paints? I got a cheap shit SHILLED set of gouache and I want to learn using the least amount of paints as possible but I'm struggling on like oh how do I make this brown dark or lighter or this blue lighter/darker etc.

>>6967871
back to loomis

>>6967582

fun with pencil? that book is not a beginner friendly. wait till you have some understanding of forms before starting with that.

My pencils

>>6967463

Dude teach like he wants to beat his student. I bet he'll hit the back of your head if you're in front of him. The way he slams his keyboard spacebar is something. The content of the course is pretty good. He teaches everything basic to intermediate stuff. If you expect a secret sauce on how he draw/paint the way he did then you'll be disappointed.

>>6967875
loomis comes after rotating boxes and playing with cylinders

>>6967790
the counting/limiting strokes comes from a oil trad book (and also a vtuber) supposedly helps with shape creation, simplification and the usage of thicker mediums (i.e. 100% opacity).

>>6967825
brush is RGBA 05 Impasto-details from krita, but to get that impasto feeling the brush tip should support a lightness map (or depth map). I guess you can find something similar on PS.

He's a phantom

>>6967929
Hartman? is that you?

>>6967933
Well I did follow along to him drawing Danny if that counts.
https://youtu.be/QWzX7IgPLes?si=pIIUqG8v903iHFdl

>>6967422
I'm the best at what I do but what I do isn't very nice.

>>6967959
love the incandescent bulb filament linework

>>6967959
Drawing hairy-ass lines?

>>6967969
For lolz

>>6967791
Jelly

>>6967585
Cool, I've been doing something similar, but more oriented on trying to avoid my brushes to become an uniform blob that is only distinct on the outer edges, I've noticed that brushes in PS when applied haphazardly end up looking like if you were painting with a copic marker no matter the brush (coming from over rendering the same area and not being definitive and precise about my strokes and values), I started to despise that look on my work and can't help but get triggered when I see it on other artists pieces as well.

>>6967876
You need to establish some form of shape hierarchy. My example here is still a bit fugly, but hopefully you can make out the relatively simple shapes.

>>6967997
a "bit" fugly?

nah jk, ya good bruh bruh

How do I convince my parents and therapist that I'm a drawcel? I dont know if they're dumb or stupid but they don't get it at all.

capeshit is the biggest pain in the ass to draw, all the outfits have a million parts to it for no goddamn reason

>>6967868
Whaddya think? Is this worth polishing or are there major flaws that I’m too /beg/ to see?

how are these necks wrong >>6967722

but this neck isn’t? >>6967810

>>6967868
left hand is too big, left shin is bending, face looks like you drew in it in 20 seconds. focus on that before you polish.

>>6968030
Thanque

>>6968026
the front view necks are mostly fine, it’s the back view ones that are wrong. also that is a vtuber, they usually look a little weird compared to regular illustration because of animation limitations

>>6968014
Are you in a rush?

>>6967435
>that right hand

lord have mercy wtf is that

>>6967722
yikes, the faces are so unappealing

>>6967790
you wasted so much time on that loomis book, forcing yourself to "grind" isn't going to help you improve

>>6967791
find better ref and learn real anatomy

>>6967997
wtf did you do to her, gross

>>6968046
>mass crabbing post
>no work posted
like clockwork

>>6968049
>post work
>is too good: Nooooo reeee get out of /beg/
>is bad: lmao /beg/ critiquing /beg/

doing boxes with simple forms. do any of them look wrong?

>>6967648
Thats a big car

>>6967862
BASED Reze poster.

>>6968081
Not bad but why is the bely missing? Also use more complex forms those are too basic literally toddler tier

>>6968077
most likely the last option I see

>>6968049
> mass replier doesn't reply to "pyw"
cringe
> replies with an excuse
MEGA cringe

>>6968077
this post makes no sense

What do you guys think of my frog dude

>>6968087
was mostly trying to get te torso with the ribcage and waist bone. I was mostly sticking to simple forms because I don't think my grasp of the form/prespective is good yet.

here's some 5 min figures I did earlier today to give you an idea

>>6968112
very nice. there should be more twist in the torso/blouse, his hips and shoulders are at nearly 120 degrees.

>>6967868
render a dick into that ass, why don't ya

>>6968040
no, just impatient

>>6968138
NTA, but that sounds tasty. Wanna compare attempts?

>>6968034
nah, you're a hack. pyw

What is considered chicken scratching? People seem to think any sort of messy line is chicken scratching. To me, it's more of a mindset and highly specific and describes the beginner habit of making multiple smaller lines to make one bigger line, they lack the ability to coordinate or aim their strokes and have a limited range of motion.

>>6967997
The values are insanely off and please don't shade with a darker version of the same color

>>6968138
Nah, I don’t feel like it. You do it

>>6968154
Agreed. This happened because I resampled the colors that where already in the painting instead of correcting them. However, that wasn't my focus here.

>>6968166
OK I did pick a different color or the highlight and sampled the original for some hair shapes.

>>6967868
lol this is the character that you asked the AIchud not to use, right?

>>6967873
Anyone? please...

>>6968085
stupid sexy bab

>>6967873
Trad paints? Is that a Photoshop plugin

>>6968171
I’d rather the AIchud not exist

>>6967994
I'm digging this exercise I can increase the quantity of paintings I can do i a short time which is what I need right now.

>but more oriented on trying to avoid my brushes to become an uniform blob that is only distinct on the outer edges

This is why for now i'm ditching the eye dropper and cranking up the opacity|flow to 100% from what I seen from LIN RAN and Krenz is that solely using the RGB picker is the best way to get 1. harmonic colors 2. beautiful defined gradients.

>I started to despise that look on my work and can't help but get triggered when I see it on other artists pieces as well.
Cheer up, at least now you know whats not working, just keep pushing, you can do it.

Hello I’m trying out inking I use micron pens 01 and 05 on white copy paper. I have hard time trying to understand when lines should be bold in one area and not in others. Also is there a way to give the trees more depth to them? Thanks friends for your time

Finally got something done

>>6968215
uh, EDGE much??

>>6968215
thats a sick blood color, great job

>>6968220
I love me some edge dawg
>>6968223
thank you :)

>>6968215
It's stylized, but I personally feel like his mouth should be open just a little bit so it doesn't look like he just bit off his tongue.

>>6968232
I was thinking of doing exactly that but I tried it and I like how it looks closed...

Even with the "flowy" nature of watercolor. Is it always key to draw in layers?
Is there a form of "a la prima" in watercolor or does the time for drying restrict the possibilities?

test

>>6967643
Low int or high beg. You mog most of deviantart.

>>6968172
Just use white or black to lighten or darken. Complimentary colours will neutralize whatever colour you're mixing from. If your current swatch is too intense of a saturation, let's say ultramarine blue, you can desaturate it with an orange (it's opposite). Lightening agents involve titanium white or naples yellow. Paint that lightens the value and changes the hue of the current swatch minimally. A darkening agent involves paint such as mars black or burnt umber.

When you're mixing swatches, try not to use more than 3-4 to get what you want as you'll just pollute the purity of your paint.

Most of this information is useful if you know how to paint.
Watch this video, it's how you should be approaching painting. With an average light color and average shadow color. You can subdivide this by each element in the painting too. A tennis ball will have it's own average light and shadow color compared to a red cup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQ&t=122s&ab_channel=MarcoBucci

Also the reality of painting is that you're going to use paint, there's no avoiding it, although it's a bit less than you might think.

>>6967475
you're the racist argentiner, right?

>>6968049
get mad, stay forever bad
>>6968077
this

Day eight of randomly trying to draw different things just to see if i can do it as a total beginner, today i tried to draw my favorite comic LO cover. It's not good but it is better than i expected from myself. I don't know if just drawing random shit every day is actually going to make me learn but i'm having fun trying to copy different styles

>>6967722
>>6967791
>>6967722
>>6967791
You need to go a bit thinner with your lines inside the figure. Also improve your accuracy and observation skills.

>>6967884
I see. Do you know any other courses that teaches how he paints?

>>6968258
Thanks for the response king, I'm trying to just stick with as few colors as possible to learn to properly mix and understand color theory more not so much as I'm scared of using paint. The shit I bought has 30 different colors and thats a bit overwhelming. I did find a video going over what I was thinking about but all that is solid advice so screencapped for later. Thanks

>>6965061
?

Am I trying too hard?

Got some feedback and made some changes. I think this is better

>>6967868
>>6968030
I eyeballed the perspective on the floor plane and rails. Hope it doesn’t look off. I’m going to change the angle of the foot so that it actually looks like it’s making contact with the floor

>>6968375
Low res because it’s a screenshot and my tablet crashes half the time I save shit

>>6968373
I think that is beautiful anon.

>>6968373
>tail out of nowhere

do you have a loomis shrine

>>6968251
I get mogged by over 90% of the artists on redditgetsdrawn. Feels bad.

>>6968373
amazing

>>6968321
thanks bro, that's actually a good critique, I really appreciate it
I'm trying to make the figures from using the proportions and simplification of artists that I like, so I still have to do a lot of grinding until I can do this from memory

>>6968449
>curling with a kettle bell without a towel
thats beg anon

>>6967873
>>6968172
pick your paint book. also stop being scared of wasting material. you can just put a little from tube and experiment what will happen. you will waste way more paint on canvases, that is for sure

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/923958.Artist_s_Guide_to_Mixing_Colours

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49668660-how-to-paint-landscapes-quickly-and-beautifully-in-watercolor-and-gouach

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45314054-the-student-s-guide-to-painting

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18660561-alla-prima-ii

>/beg/
>want to draw
>"making too many mistakes can lead to building bad habits!"
>being a /beg/ means I will make a lot of mistakes
how do i cope

>>6968473
By drawing

>>6968473
better to learn and pick up some bad habits than to learn nothing at all
it's like never learning to drive because you're afraid you might not use your blinkers sometimes

>>6968356
i can tell you like jojo

>>6968373
very nice lighting but i feel the tail has a different coloring style. it's both too different and too unsaturated

Finally figured it out. Just draw with a blue pencil and it'll turn out comfy. Thanks everyone. I'm gonna make it.

>>6968473
learn to draw. get those fundamentals down. when you have them down and want to start developing style that's when you unlearn your bad habits.

>>6968508
very good drawing but not someone i'd hang out with. looks like one of those charismatic evangelicals

>>6968506
Perhaps

>>6968312
>i tried to draw my favorite comic LO cover

>>6968473
dont just copy your old work, keep pressuring yourself to draw new things and make yourself uncomfortable.
also, maybe you should be less concerned with picking up bad habits and more concerned with picking up the pencil.

>>6968490
>>6968485
>>6968509
>>6968562
thanks. my anxiety is retarded sometimes

>>6968251
head photocopy do not mog even simplest of anime girls

Took anons advice to stick with a fundie for a week/couple of weeks. Decided to start with Marshalls Perspective course. Did some of the homework after watching a few videos, which kinda kicked my butt. also i probably have to have a day to just look at art that I like, so I can find a style to copy from. Thought I wanted it to be Horikoshi's, but i'm not too sure anymore. chill day

Fuck it, I'm going red

I drew another

>>6968648
No idea why that last pic was so blurry lol

im going to spend the next month working on Heads/faces and if I they dont look good by the end of it im going to kms.

>>6968663
By "working on" you mean studying various methods and doing exercises, right?

The guide is so frustrating Like i get it i have to learn how to draw shapes and then rotate the shapes and then construct more complex figures with the shapes. So i look at loomis and the other popular material and it's all just shapes and shapes and like when the fuck do i get to actually draw something? It feels like everyone wants me to be a master before i make my first drawing

>>6968671
whatever gets me there man

Is it normal to feel overwhelmed when learning anatomy? Even reading one limb/part of the body there's so many terms, tips for memorizing anatomy?

>>6968691
make up your own names for each part. you're not gonna get quiz'd based on your name knowledge, kek.

/beg/ here. I've been drawing only still poses so far, and now I'm looking on practicing more dynamic poses and posing in general.

Any ideas on good sources for action poses reference? I've been looking at those "pose reference" pics where people deliberately pose in the studio, but those feel too "still life" if that makes sense Sports photography seems to do the trick partially, but still requires some skimming through to find stuff I need. How did you solve the reference problem for yourself?

I've also been avoiding the pose compilations drawn by others so that I don't subcosciously copy their mistakes in fundamentals.

Is this all a good course of action or am I wasting time and practice will make perfect even if the reference isn't the best?

>>6968691
perfectly fine, there's a shit ton to keep track of.
you're probably not studying to be a medical student, so keeping track of the major muscle groups and how they function should be enough - you really don't need to know about or memorize the names of the individual extensors in the forearm, for example.
as for memorizing the stuff, using SSR like anki will help with refreshing your memory inbetween studying and drawing

GOLD SHIP

>>6967868

Jazza?

>>6968208
nice

>>6968334

Watching his YouTube videos will teach you more about his method. There's no explanation though just him painting. And if you still want it you DL his course on CGP with english sub.

>>6968691
I got this coloring book when taking A&P I and II to help with remembering muscle groups. There's some flashcards for the muscles in there that you can color. That should help you associate things slightly better, since you're putting in that physical action of coloring and assigning it to a specific visual.

Drew anon’s OC
>>6967430
Try Morpho.
>>6967435
Nice, but you wouldn’t see much if any of her ass cheeks
>>6967467
Cute!
>>6967468
Kek
>>6967475
>>6967503
Cute and /pro/ tier.
>>6967499
Phenomenal. Who/what have you studied to paint/draw so well? Your composition and storytelling especially are /pro/ level.
>>6967580
Some anatomy errors, but your lines are SUPER clean, fluid, and appealing
>>6967582
Never said it was easy.
>>6967585
That pomegranate is really good, you should be proud.
>>6967643
Nah, you’re good
>>6967737
Push your values more. good job, GMI
>>6967757
SOVL
>>6967790
Ah yeah, I think vilppu will be a big help. Congrats on finishing FWAP!
>>6967860
Use your studies to grind observational accuracy. That’s an important fundie. And also this >>6967862
>>6967883
Looks comfy
>>6968014
Well, it’s recognizable which is good, and that’s a very well-done hand. Good job!
>>6968081
The bottom one is off, the others are fine. Keep going!
>>6968097
Cute
>>6968112
SOVL and also the other anon is right. Very nice.
>>6968120
Keep it up with the basic forms! You can’t ever get too good at them. I recommend adding in vigorous or LoveLifeDrawing to your figure study regimen.
>>6968177
Anon, this is great
>>6968208
Look up atmospheric perspective to learn how the amount of air in between you and the object changes the way it looks. Generally, the further away it is, the more washed out and less detailed things are, and the less contrast they have. Cool drawings, fren
>>6968215
Cool! The face looks somehow feminine to me.
>>6968244
No idea. I haven’t really done any painting, trad or otherwise. Sorry.
>>6968258
You’re neco senpai, aren’t you? Thank you for all your contributions. You’re a fucking treasure.
>>6968321
Superb
>>6968373
Better! The white on her hand on the metal box looks really weird.
>>6968498
Train observation/accuracy
>>6968623
Very impressive!
>>6968651
Nice
>>6968663
A month is too short
>>6968691
Yep
>>6968683
Very nice!

>>6967790
>not to redraw the same exercises
The point is to get a feel for the forms and when to use them. Don't start with a beg trap book but actual good ones like Vilppu basic figure drawing. It took me like 2 months drawing and rereading and redrawing and I made a huge leap, in what seemed like overnight, something just clicked.
I can get volumes right with some effort and its becoming easier to look at a ref, deconstruct it into basic forms and reconstruct them on paper.
When Vilppu clicks you feel like a fucking carp ascending into a dragon
Action lines are even harder
People draw Vilppu for a month and think they are done with the book
Yeah you're done, but what did you learn from it? Can you ultilize the tools he teaches you? If not then you didn't learn anything

>>6967422

>>6968734
sexo

>>6968244
Painting wet on wet is a great joy but you get the most by combining methods, as wet on dry will give you hard edges

>>6968744
Basically everyone I show my artwork to tells me I should stick to drawing convoluted autism towns and vanishing point perspective.
Which I can't tell if it's a veiled way to tell me to stop or genuine praise. Or better said, I'm ambivalent because if I were to accept the first proposition my quality of life would decrease tremendously.

>>6968734
You like love to everyone

>>6967499
Blame! study?

Can someone redline the back muscles here? I find it hard to differentiate the scapula from the muscles and I also can't pinpoint the lats precisely , since the back is asymmetrical

>>6968716
Try movie shots, anything that has combat or fighting should work, like Jackie Chan movies, if you're more about anatomy then look for the ones that show more skin like some of the Van Damme ones.
If that's too over the top for you just find shots of olympic martial arts matches, you can find those easily on jewtube.

>>6968794
Asymetrical?

>>6968716
if you're beg there's nothing wrong with practicing still life feeling dynamic poses. you should also do what >>6968804 said, but those studio poses are honestly good for learning for begs. they usually have pretty good lighting and you can tell what's going on easily

low effort on my part but any thoughts/advice

>>6968850
ffs hopefully this is oriented right

>>6967790
Nice always liked impressionism
>>6967591
No loli shit but yeah simplifying my palette should be better

>>6967997
Nice, thank you so much for the repaint!

>>6968734
>That pomegranate is really good, you should be proud.
What do you like about that one? I don't like that one in particular, I find it interesting.

Ok, anons, i'm stuck.
So i've bought myself the cheapest wacom a month ago and the pic is the best i can do. Lines are shit, proportions are all wrong, colors are flat, they don't transition smoothly into each other and i have no idea what am i supposed to do with it.
I grind lines, elipses, shading every day like a fucking boy scout, but they barely got any better. It takes me 3-6 tries to draw a line somewhat as intended. And proper shading is some mysterious thing that's clear for everyone but me.

But most importantly, i want to draw environments, natural mostly. I've watched some tutorials on that, but every time i try, it ends up being a mess of random colors smashed onto one another.
Any tips? Any decent courses? Any anything? I'm fucking desperate.

>>6968986
have you tried Bob Ross?

>>6968986
try different brushes play around with an aliased brush (you can always smooth them latter) and then with a pencil brush, I think it will be easier to merge lines with either one of those. Avoid stabilizers for now work that motor skill.

for painting, start with marco bucci's 10 minutes to better painting

it looked cooler in my head, so disappointed

>>6968986
>i want to draw environments, natural mostly.
1get some primer on light and color, no need to understand it
2
>start with marco bucci's 10 minutes to better painting
3 copy environments, geometric precision is not necessary

Feeling OK with this sketch

Loomis/reilly/blocking in is working for me now, just need more practice with it

They told me to draw for fun, so I drew Medli from Wind Waker.

In all seriousness I know this looks bad. I dunno why her arms look so flat and weird looking. My line confidence is much better but still too wobbly. I didn't fully know what I was doing with shading either.

I need to go back to drawing realistic figures eventually.

This is of course the results of drawing on most days for over two months.

>>6969004
Of course not, lol.
>>6969015
>>6969027
Ok, thanks, i'll try it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEESEPCciHk
live

not having some autistic fetish or an autistic OC is killing your art gains

>>6969097
translating from chanspeak what you saying is having no passion to subject

>>6969092
Good stream. I absorbed absolutely nothing.

>>6969134

Just got a fountain pen. Crazy fun for sketching, as you can see very fun to make ink wash stuff.

>>6969057
flat shading? idk, you should spend more time on this

>>6969020
nah bro thas cool

>>6968853
purple outline around character may be ruining it for me, idk I guess this is about social anxiety?

>>6969097
Translation: Spam the thread with demon lolis. Whatever you say, senpai.

>>6969141
i honestly didn't feel like going that far with the shading.

Maybe when I can draw better figures I'll start to put more effort into it.

i hate being back in the wage cage

What it is it like to take an art course vs try to teach yourself from a textbook?
I regret never taking art in school now that I see an 8 week intro course at my province's major gallery is fucking $500.

>>6969182
$500 is cheap for decent art gainz

>>6969182
I've taken art back in high school. If its anything like that expect lots of posturing, an art teacher that can barely if at all match the skill level of students, and no clue how anything is being scored. Like how do you measure creativity?
If they have live figure drawing, however, that might be worth considering.

>>6969182
Depending on what's included in the course that might well be worth it

Fuck you all, I quit drawing.

why dont i just kill myself now isntead

>>6969205
looks like you have a handle on it just keep going

>>6969205
Try again, but use nothing but triangles.

I got to the part in Eviston where he teaches you how to shade, so I spent a week shading random shit.
Now the book assumes I can do volumes, proportion, and shading and the next chapter moves on to figure drawing.
I don't feel confident in any of it but I can't keep staying on the same page for a week if I ever want to finish this book. Feels like I'm not using art textbooks right.

>>6969227
you can do those same exercises as warmup in the future and you'll be reinforcing them while doing figure drawing as well

>>6969227

do you understand it? that's the only thing you have to focus on right now. understanding. if you do just move on. you do a bunch of these as part of daily practice session. if you don't understand then focus on that. do not move on before you understand what those lesson is teaching.

>>6968373

everything is top notch but something just made her look "stretched" rather than tall.

Damn you guys were not kidding, i bought a wacom screenless tablet on a whim and this shit is hard to use. I never drew digitally before so all of these settings and configurations are making me have a mssive boomer moment where i just want to go back to my sketchbook immediately. Certainly a learning curve to it

>>6969259
idk how to fix it, it looks good to me, ive worked on it for a bit too long but my best guess is that you're thinking of the motorcycle has to be average sized instead of being bigge
prob should move on desu

>>6969205
failure and rejection is the cure to delusion. accept reality and forgive yourself for being shit. this is the only way forward towards improvement

how can i improve this character design?

>>6969297
Get rid of the Mickey Mouse under him

>>6969297
get rid of chicken garfield above him

>>6968692
>>6968718
>>6968730
Thank you anons so much for the anatomy tips!

I am once again seeking critiques.

>>6969345
The first thing I notice is that the first pigs head is way too wide, same goes for it's nose. When in the initial stages, their are 2 things you need to be primarily concerned with, proportion and angles. When you make a shape, the only questions to ask yourself are whether it is too tall of too wide. Using similar landmarks in your drawing and comparing to the original reference, you've made the snout too wide. The eye is also too far from the snout. If you were to capture these relationships, your drawing would be more successful. Also get reference with clearer delineations between the light and shadow. Like this pumpkin here https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/442197257177551450/

Also avoid texture and color (unless it for fun or doodling) until you get a better grasp for grayscale painting. Those are distracting you from the real meat of the painting which are the shapes of light and shadow.

>>6969345
cute ukies

what do u guys think

>>6969390
I try not to

>>6969390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridanus_(constellation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=556Lt-vePcg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryogenics

>>6969390
i concur

>>6969367
Thank you very much for the critique, I really need to stop rushing, it is affecting my accuracy.
However, I have not used any textured brush in this painting, only a basic oval brush with opacity pressure.
Also thank you for the suggestion of working in grayscale, I'm currently studying an asaro head in gray and it really is helping.

>>6969390
soulest thing i've seen here this week

>>6969411
bro what
>>6969427
thnks boss

Has anyone ever tried to work through "The Artist's Way" book? I'm really curious to hear opinions on the process.

>>6967643
Gembo

>>6969441
Pray to Jesus and draw every day

>>6969390
>>6969438
damn the more i look at it the funnier it gets, you probably drew the best elephant with a cock trunk possible, it's incredible
rejoice

Supposed to be Su from Babymetal (reference: https://pin.it/6YriWFb)), something's majorly fucked though. The eyes, I guess?

its fucking over...life sucks, im permabeg at life, and art is just painful. time to lay down and rot

i feel like a retard trying to learn perspective stuff

>>6969449
Thanks king, will going to confessional help with my fundies too or should I just focus on regular sunday service?

>>6969390
Horrors beyond my comprehension

daily dose

>>6969390
I hope this becomes the next thread op image

>>6969307
Nice shapes and cute shota

>>6969515
Why don't you use more foreshortening? Seems like you know perspective so I get the impression you're consciously choosing not to employ it

l

>>6969518
my foreshortening is not good but I can try applying it to some figures next time

Why do my drawings always turn out so grey and transparent, it's like you have to squint to see them

>>6969539
duplicate your layer

>>6969541
I know but then it looks FUGLY
I actually figured out yesterday how to fix this at the very beggining of the drawing but I forgot about it and didnt do it today, absolute low iq moment

can you tell sentiment for this photograph? curios for your sentiment

>>6969548
sadness, hope, persevere

>>6969548
>I should probably draw today
>Six months and all I can make are stick figures
>Fuck, my pencil broke

>>6969539
duplicate layer, add blur to above layer, linear burn blendmode
or make it darker and spend like 5 minutes of cleanup

>>6967868
>>6968375
Pardon the low res, this is yet another screenshot because my cheap-ass tablet likes to crash when I export things.

I feel like there’s something off here, but I don’t know what. I might have to erase or thin some of the lines on her back and indicate fabric using shading instead of hard lines. Otherwise, are the proportions, anatomy, and perspective okay? Any advice for fabric?

>>6969560
Fuck me, forgot the pic

>>6969548
you should ask people first before you tell them what the drawing is about
>>6969559
interesting! Thank you friend
>>6969561
her center of weight is not balanced, she's falling to her right side, additionally, the weight is at her ankle, not at her toes

>>6969561
>>6969562
Could this be helped by modifying the perspective to make the floor plane flatter?

>>6969564
here's my guess as to what you could do with it, though even with this you have to at least redraw the arms

>>6969573
Oh, shit. Thank you! Yeah, I can redraw the arms. I’ll establish perspective before the pose next time too.

>>6969576
>I’ll establish perspective before the pose next time too.
idk man, the pose is the main point of interest, i don't think it's bad to start with the pose, i found perspective-first to be impossible to draw

Why does the burnout always hit when the end is In sight? Just need the strength to finish some feet, clean up a leg, draw a hand, and a face

I often get the urge to just drive to some rural back roads, park my car and sketch away for hours with no distractions

>>6969592
because you save the hardest parts for last

Some expression stuff I made for a friend.

Hi, /begint/.

>>6969270
Yep, way better. Good job! Very impressive skills, fren
>>6968740
BASED and vilppu pilled
>>6968716
If you’re still super beg, just worry about learning to draw plain old poses. Then you can do weird dynamic hyper angle stuff. Like acrobats and strippers and skaters.
>>6968804
Also MMA
>>6968750
Thanks! Anon’s design was inspiring
>>6968756
I think people are already too hard on themselves and need encouragement and positive feedback especially in the fragile /beg/ stage. When I see something positive, I call it out
>>6968794
This guy’s back isn’t muscular or cut enough to be good for ecorche study. When in doubt, look at anatomy reference and bullshit your way there using the landmarks you can see on the ref as a guide.
>>6968853
Anxious Bigfoot caught in the spotlight? This is fun to look at
>>6968984
The graphical shape is very characteristic of a pomegranate. While it doesn’t look like it’s a super 3d volume, it gets the point across very efficiently without actually looking flat or symbol drawn. I think it looks cool.
>>6968986
>Lines are shit,
Disagree
>proportions are all wrong
It looks like the robodog to me.
>colors are flat, they don't transition smoothly into each other
If you made the edges hard, it would be cel shaded perfectly well. You’re being too hard on yourself, expecting to know how to do things when you haven’t even studied them yet. Other anons gave good advice too.
>>6969020
Idk what you had in your head, maybe it was ultra cool, but this is still pretty rad. Good job!
>>6969046
What are you studying to learn heads? This is pretty good.
>>6969057
Realism first, then stylization
>>6969179
lol nice tapir
>>6969307
Oh, these are looking good
>>6969345
The entire thing is just a lil too wide
>>6969390
>>6969515
Seconded
>>6969475
Excellent job
>>6969467
Might be trying to show too much of the far side of her face and the lips are symbol drawn. Train observation. Keep it up!
>>6969636
Nice! Symbols, obv, but great ones

i gave up and started drawing stylized eyes.

>>6969580
I can draw the gesture, then the rough perspective, then the structure and anatomy. Thank you again. I’m also going to try to make the inner lines on her back less jarring

>>6969696

any tips on Line art?
particularly on female body.

>>6969594
It's not even that, I've discovered in real time that the human brain catches mistakes well after you finish so I wasted another drawing session fixing shit lol
At least my faces are improving

>>6969686
>the human brain catches mistakes well after you finish
this is why you flip your canvas

>>6969689
Huh good to know thanks

a little bit of that, a little bit of doodling, and a little bit of perspective practice. fun day

>>6969697
Aw fuck yea that’s the good shit. Cute and fun and you’re definitely feeling the form. 10/10 absolutely inspirational, anon.
>>6969592
Drawing is hard and the end is when you’re tired. It’s like asking “why’s the last rep of the set so hard?” But eventually you get stronk
>>6969686
Yeah, that’s a pretty good face.
>>6969576
>>6969580
You want to have some idea of the space your character is going to exist in. Changing the perspective of the entire environment to match the figure is way harder than just matching the figure to the environment from the start IMO. And even if it’s an anime girl floating in a void, you should at least think about the perspective of the figure itself.
>>6969560
>>6969561
That’s quite an ambitious pose. There are some issues, but there’s lots of SOVL. I think you just need more mileage, honestly. Figure drawing is hard lol. Rather than trying to force one drawing to be good, just embrace the suck and draw a ton of figures. You’ll improve with each one.
>>6969548
Seems kinda melancholic. What kinda writing is that? It’s beautiful.
>>6969556
Kek
>>6969559
Huh, neat trick. I sometimes have the same issue. Gonna try this next time. Thanks, fren.
>>6969525
Well then that means you gotta grind foreshortening, right? :)
>>6969642
Some of these look more symbol drawn than stylized. For example, the bottom center pair of eyes. You’re not wrapping the eyelid up and over/around the sphere of the eyeball. It’s not all bad, since you’re putting the irises and pupils mostly in correct perspective. Just gotta keep an… eye on things.
Sick Reilly diagram btw.
>>6969681
Nope, sorry. Curious to see if/how feminine line art would differ from masculine line art, though.
>>6969593
Sounds kino.
>>6969718
Nice! Might bring her left (on our right) eye down slightly to keep it in perspective with the rest of her face. And/or make her eyes point the same direction. I love her expression and how clean this is. Lovely style!

>>6969733
i'm mirin them studies. very nice

>>6967586
Good job anon, but her face is too wide and not long enough, also her eyes are supposed to be much closer; the effect is accentuated by that make-up at the corners of her eyes. You can trace the outline of her face on the left and compare to yours.

drew this and felt really unsatisfied with it, I need a scathing critique or just a roast

Drew a woman during the Gamer Awards

I didn’t draw today because i was busy watching the game awards.

>>6969733
based mass (You)-er
>Some of these look more symbol drawn than stylized.
wuzzat
>For example, the bottom center pair of eyes. You’re not wrapping the eyelid up and over/around the sphere of the eyeball.
hey i dont know what tf i was doing there. the right eye looks like an egg and i added some weird line over the eyelash for no reason. ill try drawing that same angle later.
>Sick Reilly diagram btw.
ty <3

>>6969757
>hey i dont know what tf i was doing there.
*yea i dont know what tf i was doing there.

>>6969741
The eyes are a bit lifeless like they aren't looking at anything in particular, the mouth seems too high up, colors are a bit bland, the body parts also seem janky, maybe look up references of someone in that pose and redraw it to make it more solid, the top looks like it's fighting between being a sweater and a button up, hand position for the one stretched out seems unatural. The hair is nice but a bit lopsided, try to flip the canvas

Honestly I'm just being overly nitpicking since you asked but it's not that bad anon the main thing to fix is the strength of the pose/face you'll probably get it done better on a second or 3rd try

Imagination rendering

>>6969791
Try picking a light source before rendering

>>6969741
here

>>6969734
Thanks, fren.
>>6969757
>wuzzat?
Oh man, prepare to level up. First, watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7FxMiBFjqM
Then work through either Keys To Drawing, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, or proko’s beg course or Brent Eviston’s beg course. You’ll see massive gains. Btw, those eyes are very clean and symmetrical, good job.
>>6969741
She needs thicker thighs that taper somewhat as the approach her knee. Thicker at the top, thinner at the bottom. And not only because I’ve got a thing for thick thighs. Imagine where her pelvis is and where her femurs stick out, then look at her thighs and how they’d connect. In fact, try redlining your own drawing and draw the pelvis construction that;s hiding under her skirt. The only other thing I can see is her jacket thing might be slightly weird looking in the collar/lapel area, but only maybe and it’s not a big deal at all. And the wrinkles/folds in her top suggest must smaller breast volume than the sideboob implies. For starters, you could try using the vertical lines on the dress act as cross contours curving over the surface of those bazoongas to show the form. Also, try making the lines under her chest curve down like a U, sagging under the weight of her sweater puppies, rather than curving up like an arch. Everything else is basically great. Good job!
>>6969754
Nice. Her left (our right) arm needs work, especially if she’s supposed to be leaning back on her elbows. At first I thought she had like a low ledge or counter or something behind her that she was resting her elbows on, but now I’m not sure of the pose. That’s what it looks like you were going for. Just fix that arm and add something behind her and you’ve got it.
>>6969791
You should either 1:
learn how light works and how to render by looking up how Steve Huston does it (or Proko or Eviston or Bucci or etc.)
Or 2:
Learn how to render with modeling tone and ambient occlusion like Vilppu or Marc Brunet teach

>>6969741

>>6969870
Based ss bro

>>6969733
the eternal sketchlet

i think im done with this cause im not liking it

>>6969929
where'd you learn to colo/shade like that, fren?

>>6969929
this is really good, finish it

>>6968112
he'd duo with my cat dude

>>6970026
>>6968112
forgor pic

>>6969141
>>6969640
thanks for the response, I never get replies in these threads lol. Really didn't think too much about it, was sketching something else and the image suddenly popped in my head

>>6969845
>>6969789
thank you for the feedback, I think it was the eyes that was killing me. How are they looking now? I'll finish this returning from work

How do I into digital painting? I've been doing studies up to now, only using the pencil tool, but I've never touched the paint tool and idk how it works.

>>6969845
>First, watch this video:
made it two minutes in before i turned it off. im skipping to the book.

i present to you the retard method

Can you link me a tutorial/video on perfectly smooth shading? I looked at some videos but still not totally get it.

Or the secret is really just that to get perfectly smooth shading, you are using the absolute lightest pressure you can and need Buddha-like patience for the slow speed?

>>6969938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U_h3fw7VRc

>>6970237
Also, I want to achieve this smoothness with pencil only. I seen many videos that smudge graphite, but I heard you should be able to do that without smudging.

>>6970220
i mean, it is working out, i could take this drawing to completion. but i dont get it, why am i not satisfied.
my whole approach was so messy it doesnt feel right

>>6970242
how about you finish the drawing first and maybe then after you can continoune the self-pity.

i will take that into consideration however i will self-pity whenever i want

I did this in like 15 minutes or so?

Improving my sleep has allowed me to do more without getting burnt out, though I am REALLY bad at drawing eyes still.

The pose btw, was NOT done with any references, only references were images of the character.

Just I dunno what it is, like when I do the eyes, they never look right? They always feel soulless and off.

>>6970247
you can always just practice doing facial features by themselves from different angles until you understand them better but that won't help with the rest of the figure obv

>>6970262
I may try that next.

I know it doesn't look great, but this would have taken me hours to do a few years ago (I have only been actively drawing since late September for the record). Though constructing the head is a lot easier for me, especially since when I drew this character first she looked awful...now she looks a tad more appealing but still crude of course.

Fug

>>6970340
the inside of the eye (what is that called?) is too far down the nose. reminds me of a muntjac deer.

>>6970247
Also drew this.

I am gonna take a break for the weekend, just do to other things...I hope I can do a hell of a lot more next week though I feel more confident in my abilities to draw people even if it still looks crude.

>>6970345
It's her makeup sorry

>>6970350
oh. weird.

>>6967422
Hello, I'm trying to learn drawing so I can sketch minerals, rocks, and outcrops of rocks (maybe some landscapes too), but I notice in all the guides I see that there's an extremely heavy focus on drawing people... Would learning that even be important for my uses or is it just that drawing bodies makes use of important principles that are universally used?

>>6970388
>Hello, I'm trying to learn drawing so I can sketch minerals, rocks, and outcrops of rocks (maybe some landscapes too), but I notice in all the guides I see that there's an extremely heavy focus on drawing people... Would learning that even be important for my uses or is it just that drawing bodies makes use of important principles that are universally used?
yes absolutely. learn the Reilly method. read Faragasso's book on it.

>>6970388
you need loomis

Would it be better to take lessons rather than go the self-taught route if you're an absolute beginner? what do you anons think

shut up loomer

>>6970397
self teaching is always gonna be slower and harder than with help, art school, mentorship or just advice from artist friends

>>6970397
I'd suggest doodle warriors, it's good for teaching you how to analyze work on your own, along with teaching helpful techniques and really getting you past symbol drawing. I don't know if it's in the video course thread but take a look, it's worth.

hello /int/ & /beg/
i've been getting familiar with CSP's perspective tools, trying out a 1 point perspective here
also made myself a little thirds grid to see if it'd help my comp and this is what i came up with, whadya thonk

I haven't looked at it mirrored yet. I don't want my world ruined

>>6970446
Ref

>>6970446
Oh God I did it

Blargghrgr why do I fucking bother drawing ugh

dont know what i tried but i tried something
not sure if this is worth continuing

>>6970472
looks bogful

I really struggle with constructing spheres, they always feel flatter than they should, and sometimes not spherical at all. How can i improve?

>>6970504
draw them inside a box

>>6970510
>>6970510
>>6970510
>>6970510
>>6970510

How do you get perspective lines to match at the vanishing point on the horizon? I get things off very slightly and it fucks things up, I'm aiming at the specific point, and using my ruler but it's not perfect. Maybe I should draw less difficult angles? Maybe I should buy one of those thumbtacks that rotate on the top?

I’m going away for a few months and need to choose which books to bring with me and study.

I’ve been told that my construction, gesture, and anatomy are good, but I need to improve my sense of proportions (My problem areas are always in the lower half of the body). I’ve thought of packing Loomis’ figure drawing book for this purpose.

Additionally I have no experience with design and composition, and want to start studying animation. Which books would be best to consider bringing for these purposes?

How do I manage the lighting when Im drawing from imagination?

What are some cool things that I can practice simple 2-3 perspective and box duplication on? My observational drawing skills are dog shit and the only thing I can think of is row of filing cabinets. Please give a retard that can't think for himself some ideas.

any redlining/critique on this?

>>6970504
well for one an accurate sphere's outline should be a perfect circle. But its good you give a fuck about making good spheres first, since in figure drawing you're really only going to be utilizing what you posted (i.e. blobs)