/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

again another coloring example for the OP.
and yes, it's that OC from the OC thread.

>>6965971
first to tell you how much of a nigger you are. now bring out your rehearsed shit so we can reach bump limit asap.

rough summary of the last thread

do you all not get bored of saying the same things over and over?

i had some interesting experiments since last time too. where i realized you can just hint at the rough composition of the perspective, and as long as you get the general size and place of things right, it'll probably work.

>>6965971
>Do artists need AI? (in the context of using it as an assistant)
no
>Is it worth using AI?
if you like stunting yourself
>So far, discussions have been mostly theoretical in nature. ITT let's explore the topic in a more practical, hands on approach.
discussion have been you running your mouth and spamming, so nonexistent
>>6965989
well he completely ignores any post he doesn't like. gotta keep up the illusion he's wanted

>>6965991
this was the more interesting example, it shows that you can almost only draw planes, and as long as the prespective makes sense (horizon line etc), the AI can easily make it work.


and i'd like to do a few more of these.
if anyone has lineart, try to challenge me to post certain kinds of backgrounds.

that's it for now, i'll start properly in a few hours. challenge me to do something if you want to, and i'll see if it can be done with AI.

i wanted to mainly focus on backgrounds and props, but other things are okay too.

>>6965991
>Ai able to recognize a gun and render it in perspective
Please assist me with theses ornament squares near the twintails that I am embarrassingly having an issue with, do you think Ai might recognize it and render in perspective like the gun?

You NEED to kill yourself.

>challenge me
>doesn't do anything to be challenged about

>suspicious same fag shows up
just missing the redhaired anime girl reaction pic reply now

tripfag and mikushit is my otp <3

>>6965971
kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself

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>>6966010
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>>6966010
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>>6966010
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>>6966010
^^^^

I use it as a crutch for painting.
Usually it completely changes the style, so I use it as reference

>>6966010
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>>6966028
get to fucking work

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>>6966006
I've noticed that works pretty well too, are you using a lineart or a scribble/sketch model for these?

The only practical use I can see for AI in art would be for menial, repetitive or mundane tasks. Animation could be sped up considerably using AI for a single person. Otherwise I can't really see a use in which it's 'needed'. Every other use would likely stunt the artist. It may have a practical use in bigger projects with a deadline. This is all me assuming the artist is using their own art for the ai and nothing else.

I think the effort to fix the ai may make it ocasionally more practical to just draw what you want.
>is it possible to keep your own artistic input? (soul)
Probably if you're really good with the AI, but I'd be willing to bet it may be lacking some aspect you had in your original art. Maybe it will look more stiff or generic.

>what is lost and what is gained?
You could multiply your workload for monotonous or boring repetitive tasks that don't require much attention or that take up much time.
You may lose some fulfillment in creation since you didn't really make it.
You may rely on ai as a crutch for difficult tasks making you lose discipline when you inevitably have to do it without ai.
Working the ai is arguably a skill within itself, you need to know how to work it otherwise you may just output slop. The discrepancies may be more noticeable with low effort since ai is accessible.

you can stop pretending

>>6966036
>Animation could be sped up considerably using AI for a single person.
t.doesn't know animation
>otherwise you may just output slop.
you just output slop period
you're really writing like tripfag btw
>inb4 "my comments aren't 100% in favor"

"It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards."

Not art. Go to /g/ where all the other parasites are. You aren't welcome here.

>>6966032
scribble xdog. but i am also counting on putting my lines directly on top after. i've used lineart/softedge before too though.

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case in point, combined with self replies

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Can you cocksuckers stop spamming our general and just hide it? Leave us pioneers to integrate our work with these new tools and fuck off.

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great news, you have more suitable boards for that. less great news, you are hobbling yourself. also don't try to convince people you are more than 3 discord butt buddies or lazy fags

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>>6965971
Can jannies please permaban this faggot.

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>>6966131
they're peak crabs so they're pro-AI

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>>6966083
Oh yeah? Have you tried just inverting your lines so they are white on black and using that with no preprocessor?

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have you tried not being lazy? rhetorical question, you haven't

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>>6966036
i think reference is still the most obvious use. with the background i generated, you can use parts of them or reference them for your own backgrounds.
this idea of "filling stuff" seems pretty useful. even if you don't know how to fill a space, the AI can give you ideas. and very specific ideas, like you see in >>6966006
not just the stuff in the back, but particularly all the empty space in the foreground. or ideas for what elements you could add, sidewalks etc.

>You may lose some fulfillment in creation since you didn't really make it.
eh, not really so far. in fact i bet the more input i give it, the less i'll care.
if i have a very elaborate sketch that aren't just these one-girl examples, then i bet i would not care at all. i barely care even now.
actually i find it funny how >>6965971 came out more like my own painting style the more i worked on it. and the only thing this makes me want to do is to make a better base to paint on, because this one was quite desaturated.

>Working the ai is arguably a skill within itself, you need to know how to work it otherwise you may just output slop. The discrepancies may be more noticeable with low effort since ai is accessible.
it is a different skill, and i agree that it is a balance act.

i'm also using it for graphic design currently, and there it's quite obvious how useful it can be.

>>6966142
240 posts to go!

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nice rehearsed replies :^)
your delusion knows no bounds

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can one of you aifags make a quality tool to automatically fill my linework with specified flat colors already? i hate doing that shit so much

>>6966162
i know you can do that, but does it make a difference here? my lines are already rough on purpose so the AI is better at ingesting it.

also i tend to use scribble because it doesn't adhere to your input that strictly and.

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>>6965978
Wow, the AI made it look like a mossacannibalis piece when coloring it, and the sketch it started from is nothing amazing.

>my own painting style
>can't even sketch or ink properly
>has convinced himself it's still his

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>>6966181
Yeah it does make a difference because the preprocessor is meant to turn an image like a photograph into lines so if you're feeding it lines already it will just sorta muddy them. The difference could be very negligible though.

>>6966171
I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are other people with different views other than your own, you view Ai as something to be immediately shunned whereas we view Ai as an opportunity to expand our visual library no different than you putting together a collage of references together to come up with an idea or better understanding of a difficult form. You're no different than what the Church did by monopolizing fine art and lobbying the industry to only produce paintings of cherubs and angels instead of allowing others to freely express themselves.

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>>6966189
hm, interesting. i did find that linework cnet acted a bit weird when coloring, maybe that was the reason.

>>6966191
i think there are ways ai can be used effectively but wow that's an astonishingly retarded comparison dude
why is it that everyone who takes part in these debates sounds like they have no clue what they're talking about?

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>>6966191
>I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are other people with different views other than your own, you view of transart as something to be immediately shunned whereas we view transart as an heckin' valid to outsource our thinking and get an inaccurate reference. You're no different than what the the damn police emperor did by ampering honest money laundering!

>6966189
>not even using his own sketch
I wonder why

Oh hey it's the "I want to prodooooce my vision" thread again kek. Can it scan out brains yet? I really don't want to draw shit because I can't and drawing is too slow for the resooolts I wanna consoom. Art is just a picture of my vision.

>>6966167
>eh, not really so far. in fact i bet the more input i give it, the less i'll care.
>if i have a very elaborate sketch that aren't just these one-girl examples, then i bet i would not care at all. i barely care even now.
actually admitting it on a board about caring about it. Why is he here again...? Solely because there is "artwork" in the title? It seems like every time he loses touch more and more.

>>6966229
>Muh crutches!
You buying acrylic paint instead of making your own paint is already a crutch, go find a cave wall.

that retort has been thoroughly destroyed previously. gonna have to update your talking point floaty-kun

continuing now with some background experiments. this time something more involved with the background maybe.

>>6966260
i don't think you read that right. i'm saying that i'm NOT losing fulfillment. i'm saying that i don't care about the AI doing things. as long as its doing what i want.

>>6966042
>t.doesn't know animation
I'm not knowledgable, yes. But could you not generate frames for an animation?
>you just output slop period
I mean, I disagree. I don't think anyone can claim the art, but when I say slop, I mean low effort and generic. Some of it can look cool or unique.
>you're really writing like tripfag btw
Because I tried to actually answer their question? I'm not any more a fan of ai than you are, but its not just going to go away.

>>6966268
>i don't think you read that right. i'm saying that i'm NOT losing fulfillment. i'm saying that i don't care about the AI doing things. as long as its doing what i want.
That's the problem. The fact that you care so little that it makes no difference to you is very telling how you view art as nothing but a consumer.

>>6966270
>But could you not generate frames for an animation
not to a capacity where it reduced final workload
>I mean, I disagree
sure, stay wrong
>Because I tried to actually answer their question?
because you type like a faggot and suspiciously within the same time window
>its not just going to go away
techbro talking point that just moves the goalpost. not going away=/=improvement=/=should be used

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>>6966183
fyi, this is the actual AI output.
it's kinda funny because it's desaturated and my manual paintings color picks often has that issue as well.
even with AI i somehow end up having the same issues i always had lol. probably because i like desaturated stuff and am constantly trying to make it work. also because i have a bad sense of color. might even be my monitor desu, i put its brightness too low.

>>6966282
that is rather nice, this is not the raw AI output, is it?

>>6966294
Yeah, I added the lines back like you suggested and some very minor corrections. If I was doing this for real though I'd do a lot more reworking.

i don't have any particular ideas besides just a mechanic of some sorts that interacts with her environment.
so i asked dall-e for some inspiration...

>>6966307
nice

>>6965971
What the fuck, is that Ren’s old design?

>>6966316
yes

i like the idea of a high chair or some other high sitting space. i think i'll start sketching.

>>6966317
What the fuck, why?

>i don't have any particular ideas
you don't say

>>6966010
This is passable enough, I think. Did the Ai have any luck OP?

>miku and tripfag linked up
very telling when two perma-/beg/s are the most interested in AI

>>6965971
artists are going to need ai because other artists are going to use it. only people that really needed it are soulless tech nerd fags that have a desire to destroy everything sacred for the sake of money and because they can

>>6966325
you had two hours to try

>>6966328
>artists are going to need ai
source: I made it up

>>6965971
Do your mouth needs to be always filled with piss and shit? (In the context of you being a fucking faggot)

So far, the discussion pretty much boils down to you crawling back in your shithole blowing your fucking head off with a gun, so fucking go and fuck off

>>6966329
>you had two hours to try
Then we need a new sticky that incorporates tutorials on how to use Ai.

>>6966334
that's great, because you can find that on other b boards, go there instead. clearly you don't want to do art

>>6965971
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>>6966317
I created the OC. Please stop using AI with her. I’d love to see YOUR take on the character. You look like you could make really great, expressive, human sketches, but please put the AI down

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>>6966335
But those are not art boards, we need Ai included in the sticky.

>>6966334
You have a whole plethora of tutorials on literally any /sdg/ general. Primarily on /g/.

>>6966341
I don't get it. you're not doing art.

Where do you even go to do image-2-image AI? Is there a popular website? If I have to fiddle with something on my end, forget about it.

>>6966336
so seeing >>6965978 >>6966294
you'd say that is not my take on the character?

honestly i think in this case the result is not even above my own painting skills (like it is in some of my other examples), it just made things faster.

>>6966279
>not to a capacity where it reduced final workload
Whatever you say. I'm not an animator.
>sure, stay wrong
What is slop to you exactly? It's not like all ai art looks terrible.
>techbro talking point that just moves the goalpost. not going away=/=improvement=/=should be used
When did I say it should be used? I'm just saying how it could be used. No one is saying by not using it you're bad or that you have to. I don't even understand the point you're trying to make. Just don't use AI. Literally no one will care.

>>6966350
Look, I’m mainly just asking to not use AI with Ren. Maybe ask the OC creators first before using AI to depict them

>fag could try on any other feedback thread to show "his" "work"
>has to create a thread specifically for it using a question he doesn't care about because he craves attention this much
>suddenly the butt squad that is either himself or his discord buddies comes out of the woodwork

>>6966357
lol.
you put it on the oc thread so anyone can do it.
but if you say so.

>>6966332
>reference
>3d
>photobashing
>digital
if it can be used people will do it and then it will become industry standard just like the above, ai is faster and better, we're going to spend more time prompting than actually drawing.

>>6966352
>What is slop to you exactly
the jelly that is your increasingly-numb brain

>>6966365
one of these things is not like the others~

>>6966350
>you'd say that is not my take on the character?
it's AI's take. yours is on the left.

>>6966366
So you're a retard. Got it.

>>6966357
Since when the fuck do you need to ask anybody for permission to work with a concept? Your precious little OC is nothing but an idea to be used to work on and be changed to a different stated based on somebody else's ideals regardless of what type of medium or tools were used.

>>6965971
Sage goes in all fields
https://youtu.be/n1VybvjzaK0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTBCzH1UyNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNvD8ePFHs

>anime /g/poster is back
like clockwork

>>6966373
It’s not about my affection for an OC, it’s about my disgust with AI and my desire to not feed into it. Unless you have the most brain-dead optimistic view possible, AI is something that will 100% fuck over humans if it’s not limited. I don’t care if you consider it to be “just a tool” because it will not be used as such

>>6966385
That sounds like a personal problem. Deal with it.

>>6966350
We actually reached this low on the fucking abyss. Holy shit, I swear to God I would beat the shit out of you if I could.
This is the most absolutely disgusting thing I have seen on this board, ever
Seriously please consider killing yourself

>>6966391
You stealing oxygen is my problem. Kill yourself.

>>6966393
>This is the most absolutely disgusting thing I have seen on this board, ever
Must be pretty new then, lol

might be too many lines desu. let's see what the AI does with this alone.

>>6966391
Furthering the progress of AI is like helping in the development of nukes

>>6966394
>You stealing oxygen is my problem.

>>6966370
aww aifag won't play :'(

>>6966393
Legit every time he posts he's getting more disconnected. AI has actually consumed him, not the other way around.

>>6966316
lmfao get AI'd idiot

>>6966385
>>6966401
When you use the AI model that's called inference, it doesn't really do anything to help it's development.
In the training phase, a developer feeds their model a curated dataset so that it can “learn” everything it needs to about the type of data it will analyze. Then, in the inference phase, the model can make predictions based on live data to produce actionable results.

>>6966411
well, he's down to talking to himself

>>6966411
All techbros are baseding sociopaths that think that blind progress should always be prioritized no matter how much it damages people. This dude probably worships Elon Musk

>>6966414
Regardless, using AI at all encourages its development

>>6966414
>another aifag missing the memo and thinks its about not understanding technicalities
it's like they are all trained on the same model kek

>>6966325
I just realized there are supposed to be small ridges inside the hair ornaments oh fuck me not again. Do you now see why we could use Ai as a tool by using it for reference? I didn't know there were supposed to be ridges inside there this was all from my imagination.

>>6966425
bro, work on drawing properly first. work on some fundamentals

>>6966400
weell, as expected, it's rather terrible at reading these particular lines. anyway, focusing on the background now.

>please select flavor of authority-approved slop

>>6966428
The fundamentals got me where I am today, I know how to draw. Now I just need to consume more of this anime stuff to know what I'm trying to draw and Ai is great at providing the same content I am trying to learn from.

>>6966434
>I know how to draw

Ai art is for lazy cucks with no talent

>>6966418
AI as a general technology is way too useful to stop it's development. Any one of us using it or not is a drop in the ocean.

>>6966434
Pyw

>>6966437
both the aifag and mikufag have been on this board for over a decade so yea

>>6966440
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1701812967916167.jpg
>>>/b/910394002

>>6966439
AI is inevitable, but we should at the very least slow the progression of it until our society finds a way to implement it without devaluing human intellect or experience. Right now, it’s going after the most desirable and meaningful work humans can do. It’s making decisions for us

>>6966430
cleaned it up and suggested some props and BG.

>>6966448
Generaly agree, it's just that these narrow AI image synthesizers don't concern me.
>It’s making decisions for us
This part is not true though, the current level of AI is incapable of making any decisions.

>>6966406
I don't use ai. I find drawing normally more fulfilling.

>>6966459
>the current level of AI is incapable of making any decisions.
i wouldn't say that. values, color choices, those are all decisions. everything it does are technically "decisions"

>technically

>>6966463
I suppose it's arguable. I shouldn't have made such a definitive statement. They will generate things like colors and values based on their training data, but currently I don't consider these AI models to be sophisticated enough to be capable of decision making.

>>6965971
only lazy faggots would use ai to assist them
unless it's extraordinarily simple things like textures or brushes

>>6966490
Do you manually crank over your engine by hand? Do you use a washboard to clean your clothes? Do you cook with firewood?

>>6966456
hmm, not sure this can be done easily. the drawing is too hard to read for the AI. i can get occasional hits, but it's not consistent.

>>6966499
>imagine using this analogy unironically

>>6966459
>the current level of AI is incapable of making any decisions.
It kinda did use its neural brain to decide how to color it in your stead. It's trained to make decisions like that.

>>6966504
Back then when things like integrated perspective grids, transform tools, lasso tools etc were still fairly new /ic/ was up in arms very much like right now and were claiming things like you are being lazy, it'll destroy art, it's not real art, it's a crutch, etc. and then someone made a comment which stood out from all the butthurt and they said these features become a crutch if you depend on them. If you know how to draw you will know how to utilize these tools to increase your workflow and output and these tools wouldn't be using you instead.

>>6966508
generate responses and provide information based on training data =/= independently make decisions or evaluate situations in the way humans can

But it is complicated and arguable either way, I'll give you that much.

>>6966516
difference is those tools didn't get you 95% of the way there with a single click

>>6966502
depth cnet coming through as usual.
using a failed gen as a depth input still gets me closer.
also i like some of the ideas. shorts are better than the full body suit. and the tools in the chair is a nice touch too. still a lot of work on the backgrounds tho..

>>6966516
>another false equivalency

>>6965971
>>6965978
>too lazy to bother learning a shitty rendering style
>creativity bankrupt enough to take an oc from the oc threads then argue them down about it
I enjoy AI but man you are a faggot.

>>6966516
> transform tools, lasso tools etc were still fairly new /ic/ was up in arms very much like right now and were claiming things like you are being lazy
Are you literally making shit up? Photoshop has been around with those tools before /ic/ was even a thing

>>6966523
You and I are both working with ideas, we give these ideas the illusion of form and space through a visual medium. The process behind giving form and shape starts with something abstract, for example these three images >>6966526
are nothing more than abstract and incomplete forms. There's information there but it's incomplete the Ai merely provides a substitute for what you're trying to convey and how you're going to use that information will depend on your approach which will be the final product. It doesn't matter how you begin an illustration whether it be from various thumbnails, negative spaces, silhouettes, sequential lines, whatever it is as long as you get the idea across and it reads as clearly as possible. I'm going to stop here because my post will more likely fall on deaf ears but if there is any inkling of curiosity in you I hope you will at least entertain what I'm trying to convey to you.
>>6966537
No, I vividly remember /ic/ getting incredibly butthurt and making a taboo over someone using the transform/mesh tool or lasso tools those were the days of the burn tool and lens flare effect being widely used. I know those tools were there before, they were fairly new to the masses.

>>6966526
eeh, i didn't to lock down the colors, but i think i should try to get a strong depth input or something i can work off of.
if the model consistently fails to read my drawing, then i'll ultimatively have to resort to inpainting to finish the background.

>>6966536
lol oh no i drew his OC just like he asked for!
how do you think this moral grandstanding will look like in a few years down the line? it's so laughable.
also you're talking as if i don't have to finish the image using the shitty rendering style on my own anyway.

>>6966445
As expected it fucking sucks

>29 IPs
Can you retard stop circlejerking this idiot for fucking once?

>>6966516
None of the tools ever have been creatively autonomous which is the entire point. But you aifags don't care about it. All you want is a picture that "fits your vision". This photoshop argument has been beaten like a dead horse.

>>6966546
a lot of text for a lot of copium

>>6966550
oh yeah so it can get bumped anyway.

>>6966516
i genuinely regret not using everything and anything back in the day. after i got into AI, i lost some of those inhibitions. for example i would use the transform tool more for quick fixes, whereas before i would always erase and redraw like a complete retard.
also 3D models are actually quite nice. people say they're stiff, but if you have an understanding of gesture, you can make them pose with a dynamic gesture anyway. pic related was the loose ref for OP for example.

regardless of your opinion on aishit, there's absurd amount of money getting spent on it and the quality keeps increasing. you will eat ai and you will be happy, the only thing that might stop this shit is some solar happening destroying whole internet for good

>lol oh no i drew his OC just like he asked for!
>moral grandstanding? it's so laughable.
>as if i don't have to finish the image using the shitty rendering style on my own anyway
yep he's lost it

>>6966546
>are nothing more than abstract and incomplete forms. There's information there but it's incomplete the Ai merely provides a substitute for what you're trying to convey and how you're going to use that information will depend on your approach which will be the final product. It doesn't matter how you begin an illustration whether it be from various thumbnails, negative spaces, silhouettes, sequential lines, whatever it is as long as you get the idea across and it reads as clearly as possible. I'm going to stop here because my post will more likely fall on deaf ears but if there is any inkling of curiosity in you I hope you will at least entertain what I'm trying to convey to you.
question, do you think i don't know what they are? ironically, you're the one coming in from the assumption that the AI should complete things for you.
or at least you're assuming that's what i'm looking for.

>>6966563
>do you think i don't know what they are
I was using your images as an example because I don't think the other poster knows what they are. I acknowledge that you already know what they are.

>>6966548
faggot
imagine piggybacking other artists works to make your abomination

>>6966546
none of what you say detracts from the fact that AI can practically create the final product you wanted, jesus, why even write all that pompous nonsense.

>>6966570
Imagine not doing that.

>>6966572
>AI can practically create the final product you wanted
There lies your confusion, Ai does not create a final product it merely provides you with information. Does the Camera provide you with a final product for a portrait? No, it gives you a reference for you to paint from.

>>6966580
>Ai does not create a final product
Depends on the faggot. It can.
>camera meme again
based satania /g/poster

Funny how AI threads have evolved.
First you had a wave of doomposters artists and nodraws alike ranting about AI out of collective hysteria
Then it was the trolls shitposting with AI to shit up the board and get some (You)s in the process
Now it's just Tripfag borderline schizoposting.

This board is very weird.

>>6966580
there lies your retardation. cameras can't create a drawing but AI can
>>6966586
it literally attracts people that do not want to draw and better themselves, you have 2 faggots that have been here for over a decade sucking it off

>>6966546
>No, I vividly remember /ic/ getting incredibly butthurt and making a taboo over someone using the transform/mesh tool or lasso tools those were the days of the burn tool and lens flare effect being widely used. I know those tools were there before, they were fairly new to the masses.
When? /ic/ started in 2005, dodge, burn and lens flare were already jokes by then. I wasn't on ic, I was on sijun/eatpoo/ca, was ic some kind of deviantart reject land back then or something?

>>6966570
you know, i was like you in the beginning.
i wondered,
>what if i was using someone else's work every time i used this?
but after a bunch of research and actually using it, i realized this is not what is happening. so i stopped worrying like (you).

what people like you don't realize is just what this implies. this is simply a machine that can make images, even art. even if it is simulated art. and everyone will have access to these tools.

>after a bunch of mental gymnastic to justify myself I somehow let go of my morals ethics and growth

>>6966589
only a bot would make a response like this

"don't get left behind" mentality is so fucking stupid
why are you in /ic/ of all places posting this garbage

>>6966499
I use propane and propane accessories.

>>6966499
Do you fuck your wife or does she only let Hitachi?

>>6966589
So it's ethically like photobashing your own photos into a painting with a paint filter? A kind of beg trap.

>>6966589
>everyone will have access to these tools.
just what we needed

I want to invite /ic/ to post your work next to your hot take about what your input about Ai is, I already posted mine. I want to see whether or not you're an armchair general, I want to know if there's any merit behind your posts otherwise you can kindly fuck off these threads.

>>6966612
>you can kindly fuck off these threads.
these threads shouldn't even exists in the first place and it's just a desperate cry for attention by OP that, like clockwork, keeps creating these threads every time the ban lifts, I don't even understand what's his goal.

>>6966612
no thanks, I already have faggots scrapping my works, i dont want to kick the beehive further
>>6966615
i thought they were banned here? are they not?

I use AI for brainstorming and reference. I do not use AI for the final image. Not out of pride, not because AI lacks sovl, but because having an AI draw for me simply isn't fun. Even if whatever I come up with is worse than what the AI can do, doing it myself is more enjoyable, and the effort spent doing it makes me a stronger artist than before.

You do what you want.

>>6965971
>finally in the mood for drawing after a period of AI induced depression
>opens up /ic/ and sees this thread
>what's even the point of drawing anymore.jpg
OP if this is your objective, it's working. Fuck this dystopia.

>>6966615
>these threads shouldn't even exists in the first place and it's just a desperate cry for attention by OP
OP is the creator of the original animu threads, I can vouch for him as a pioneer because I was there when he made the first threads and just as before I was among the few who were vocal in continuing to pursue those threads.

>>6966593
it's not about getting left behind. it's more about why i shouldn't when it can be beneficial.

>>6966591
mental gymnastics, bad faith, semantics, etc etc.
and yet none of you actually know how AI works. not that i care at this point. just don't tell others what to do.

>>6966600
yeah.
except it is much more variable and useful than that. you can never get a photo for exactly what you need, down to the angle and everything. see the chair in >>6966548? the hydraulic, design the texture? that's all information i could get from a reference. do you consider it a skill to know these kind of things? or to look up details like that?

>>6966619
i am literally drawing, dumbo. how come AI only encourages me while you think it's the end of art?

>>6966615
>ban
lol. god you're delusional. i just post intermittently.
also i'll repeat it again, i have never NEVER EVER been banned for AI. even when my threads got deleted when i tried to make a general a while ago.

>>6966612
I've posted work in ai threads before, it just turns into "blooooog!"And "based" or "I kneel"
I get no response from ai defenders.

>>6966612
You're just going to diss any artist that post their work without making any kind of reasonable judgement about said work
>wow your art sucks! Your argument against AI is invalid because your art is not good! You will be replaced pretty easily!
It's camping for an ad hominem, which is far more pathetic than using an ad hominem as is.
>>6966623
>OP is the creator of the original animu threads
That doesnt make him any less of a schizo.

>>6966615
I wonder if jannies just allow this as a containment thread. came to visit today from last week's ai spam and saw things to be pretty comfy. until this shit appeared, that is.

>>6966619
nigga don't be so thin skinned. they have admitted time and time again that they don't give two shits about drawing well or anything of the sort. they are just falseflagging and trying to bring /sdg/ to /ic/. just hide thread and go about your day. does 1 really trigger you this bad?

>>6966625
AI only encourages you because you never grew as an artist it's just extremely telling and sad. Now you want to push AI onto others on /ic/ as you've consistently admitted. It's just going to drain any kind of skill that could have been harnessed when they use this trash instead, you should be ashamed of yourself for peddling this poison in an art community when there's plenty of AI related places to discuss it

>>6966625
>how come AI only encourages me while you think it's the end of art?
because it's like wanting to become an olympic athlete and then someone discovers a super serum that can make anyone into a gold winner. Sure, you could take the serum too, but using it robs the fun and challenge of the sport

>>6966630
the last thread wasn't comfy it was the tripcode was going ballistic at others 2/3rds through the thread

>>6966627
>You're just going to diss any artist that post their work without making any kind of reasonable judgement about said work
Not I, it's you faggots who pull that type of crap and eat each other like >>6966549
I've been getting my dick stepped on here for nearly a decade so much so that I can't even post my own drawings on this board anymore and have to crosslink or provide a link to the image since it either gets mass reported out of spite or the resident janny is trying to flex his nuts on me for whatever reason while all I've been doing is inviting you faggots to produce and share you content.

>>6966632
He never wanted to grow as an artist. Drawing was just purely means of getting pictures he wanted. Now with AI he can finally drop learning it since the basics he got is enough for him to generate it. He was never an "artist".

>>6966637
>I've been getting my dick stepped on here for nearly a decade
I wonder why??????

>>6966625
>the hydraulic, design the texture? that's all information i could get from a reference. do you consider it a skill to know these kind of things? or to look up details like that?
Not a skill exactly, but using real reference gives your work and your brain better "models". using ai for ref might help in a bind but your mental model for drawing these things is affected. And limited too, as hunting for ref, I find loads of info and become knowledgeable about all kinds of things, inspiring future works. Every time I use ai is a missed opportunity there. Imagine being essentially a 1girl prompter with extra steps... Oh you don't need to imagine...

>>6966637
Even if you did get banned, u sure it was because of your art and not because you draw lolis getting raped in a non-loli thread? I don't see how you'd be banned for it otherwise. Your work is fine and your linework is pretty crisp for coloring preparation.

>>6966623
any credential has been officially revoked by the use of AI

>>6966632
You hit it spot on, he keeps pushing AI on this board in the hope of being accepted as an artist, he is no different than Shadiversity

>>6966646
So you just draw 1girls but it takes you longer, got it.

>>6966653
Difference is anon draws and understands 1girls. You don't. 30 seconds doesn't play a role.

>>6966646
that's fair enough. but i just don't value that kind of stuff as much.

>>6966643
>Drawing was just purely means of getting pictures he wanted.
yeah? and what it is to you?

>>6966632
i'm not pushing AI onto anyone. i'm just pushing against anti-AI sentiments. which are completely unreasonable and misinformed.

you people keep talking about skill and learning and growth, that means you should at least be at my level, right? because i don't value getting told about growth and skill and learning from people who have done none of that.

>>6966659
Maybe he can learn how to use a telephone switchboard while he's at it too lol

>>6966653
>So you just draw 1girls but it takes you longer, got it.
No, I do a lot of mythology work, historical battles, concept design for armor/clothing etc and I'm pretty damn fast at painting too.

>>6966662
>yeah? and what it is to you?
serious question?

>>6966664
nice hyperbole

>>6966625
>and yet none of you actually know how AI works
utterly irrelevant, you're just trying to soothe your conscience and you've proven to make leaps in logic just like every other fag in those threads you've spammed.

>>6966665
Oh, fair enough then.
>>6966669
Thank you, I came up with it all by myself.

>>6966666
yes, but you might as well talk to a walk as he has proven

>>6966650
I'm positive it's because of my art, the last time I got banned was from posting a figure with a pair of breasts that I guess were not big enough while other boards have no problems with themes that show flat chested anime girls.

>>6966679
I remember that. It wasn't even a loli.

I'm positive it's because you're a fag with an over-inflated ego

>>6966662
seriously, don't you have anything better to do?

>>6966670
of course. utterly irrelevant.
you just believe what you want to believe :)
i'll tell you that AI generalizes, learns from patterns.
you tell me that AI steals because "why would it need images to train on otherwise?!"

but none of that matters, because you believe that AI steals. because you cannot fathom that a machine can do the things i'm describing. i'm just trying to bamboozle you with bad faith and semantics after all. :)

all the images i made itt? yeah i literally ripped the soul out from other artists.

>>6966666
yes? to me, drawing is a means to an end. to express something. drawing in itself is the craft, but art is something else. what is drawing to you?
and are you going to use the word "soul"? if so, don't bother replying.

>>6966686
if you're talking about replying to anti-tards, then no, i do have better things to do. like doing what i was supposed to itt. i'll get back to that i guess.

>>6966679
Well sorry it happened anon. You have my kudos for pyw and you're fine at what you do. Still got a little bit of ways to go but you'll be there if you keep drawing.

>>6966690
>"t-that's just like your opinion man"
you're back to that point and you'll keep yapping to trying to get your delusion accepted :^)
you'll keep giving excuse and skirt around the fact you don't want to do the work. you'll say it's boring, it's busywork and keep delegating thinking power.

>>6966697
it is literally your worthless opinion that is based on nothing but misinformation.
you couldn't even tell me what is being stolen or how it is being stolen.
you just believe what you want to believe.

>>6966690
wow, schizo rant mode :on
might as well set up a bot to answer you? clearly you seem adamant about whoever opposes you thinks

>>6966701
sure thing lazy faggot...cope

>>6966701
your knowledge is assumptions and wordplay, get bent

>pixelschizo is now just AIschizo
>tripfag just wanted a whole thread for himself
Honeslty, i blame Mikufag

might as well do this now.
follow this to the end. how do you think AI is stealing artists work?
i will answer every single thing you say with
>how
until you get to the truth.

>>6966690
>yes? to me, drawing is a means to an end
So shallow kek.
I draw to explore and to express. No. If you make AI do something you are delegating some of that "expression" to it. It just happened to be what you were looking for. It was not yours. But anyway, I draw to hone a skill. The quality is testament of my growth and of course I get a sense of accomplishment out of it for having done it. I draw to explore - I look into things I'm drawing, like kimonos, for example. While drawing I learn why it folds that way. Why and when it's worn. Why it's even a thing. I draw vehicles and learn why they're shaped they way they are. I draw for zen. It's relaxing. It's fun. It's also means of putting myself out there. All that goes into this "soul" you'll not understand because none of what I said matters to you.

>>6966708
we've already discussed that. you have outstayed your welcome. it's irrelevant as it doesn't make your method in any way more legitimate. you could elaborate about how a mechanical arm works it wouldn't in any way mean you're doing the lifting.

>>6966690
smileys are coming out
he's bent, boys

>>6966709
Well said

>>6966690
holy shit you're so fucking sad you made me feel better about myself

>>6966681
>>6966691
Thanks fren.

>>6966439
it's worthless trash with more downsides and zero benefits. coping and deluding yourself that you're an artist for generating computer slop doesn't count as a benefit obviously
>>6966508
retarded monkey spotted. statistically arranged pixels are not decision making. why does it "decide" to make retarded incomprehensible signatures

>>6966708
>how is ai stealing
by scraping pictures off the internet with bots and using them as direct assets to generate images?
How many times do you need to get btfo before you finally understand it?
Or is everyone else a schizo, except you?

>>6966714
pfft what would renowned mangaka, Naoki Urasawa, creator of many indisputably great works know about drawing or expressing? He should use AI so he isn't left behind.

>>6966709
none of this is news to me. and yet i still use AI. of course i am delegating, but i can choose what i'm delegating.
> All that goes into this "soul" you'll not understand because none of what I said matters to you.
yeah because i don't draw for self indulgence. i draw because i want something. i improve because i want something. i use AI because i want something.


>>6966713
this has been true for a while now, but none of you will ever engage me on this. :)
you just believe what you want to believe. bad faith and semantics boys, pack it up.

>>6966724
>and using them as direct assets to generate images?
well, that's wrong.
or if you don't think that's wrong, tell me how it does that.

can you keep going? or stop and cry about bad faith like the others? :)

>>6966724
nonononono you don't understand the technology! it does math to the pictures it took, so it's ok. math I tell you!

>>6966709
>i draw to understand
holy giga mega based

>>6965971
I use StableDiffusion to generate references, it works a lot better than Google images for getting near what I need. It's basically the perfect fix for art block.

>>6966729
>well thats wrong------ because i say so!
No argument then?
I win.

tripfag btfo once again for the 6 millionth time

>>6966724
they're not "direct" assets. the images are tensorized aka "made into code" aka the ai is trained on them. like you looking at images and learning what they look like very crudely speaking.

but yes they did scrape images to train on and equate it to "it's the same as if you learned it bro whats the difference if its you or a machine learning on it". actual autism.

>>6966733
why would i bother explaining? has that ever worked?
no. i want you to explain how.

how. does. it. do. it.

>>6966729
>yeah because i don't draw for self indulgence. i draw because i want something. i improve because i want something. i use AI because i want something.
What mental illness is this?

>>6966729
>yeah because i don't draw for self indulgence
yeah, you're result-oriented. you have strayed from the path. your "soul" is rotten and you have chosen to take shortcuts without learning the way.

>>6966729
>eah because i don't draw for self indulgence. i draw because i want something. i improve because i want something. i use AI because i want something.
Self indulgence? Improve? Brother I'm not even going to argue this, your view is legit screwed holy shit lmfao.

>>6966738
>PPFFT WHY SHOULD I EXPLAIN LMAO YOUR STATEMENT IS WRONG HAHA JUST EXPLAIN YOURSELF WHY YOU'RE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT WRONG
You offering nothing, then my statement is true.
I win again.

tripfag btfo twice in not even 2 posts

>>6966734
tensorized just means they get converted into a format that can be used for training. even those tensors are discarded at the end of training.
you know that, right?

>>6966749
Yes. I was explaining it surface for layman. That training didn't come out of thin air.

so if the tensors are discared, what remains in the model?

>>6966750
so if the tensors are discared, what remains in the model?

>>6966748
>retarded greentexting
so you can't explain. you don't know anything. you just believe. :)
but it's alright, we knew that already.

>>6966701
>calls my opinion worthless
>despite how many time he has been told his isn't valued.

>>6966708
>>6966729
>>6966738

sneaky, you get hung on the word stealing because it's overly convenient. you're too autistic to understand that relatively normal people use it as a shortcut and so you want to drag it to a an argument of semantic as you'll try to worm yourself out with "well technically". you haven't proved it's ethical, provided any convincing point as to why the data is okay to be used. you apply values and rights to something that isn't human and I don't mean sentience

>>6966759
you think getting told off by retards means i'm wrong? maybe you should go back to high school.

it is a simple task. explain your own position. explain your own reasoning. i have explained mine countless times.
you can do it, right?

>>6966753
>so if the tensors are discared, what remains in the model?
You just glossed over the last sentence, mate. There lies the point.

>>6966761
>you think getting told off by retards
and yet you keep coming back to said retards like a teenage girl with a daddy complex.

what do you get when you combine AI with schizo-affective narcissists?

>>6966761
you are completely wrong about being an artist, yes. maybe coding is more suitable to your neurodivergent brain

>>6966763
so the tensors are in the model now? is that what you're saying?
in what way did they get in the model? in what way are they being used during inference?

>>6966764
who is posting in my thread right now?
no, i gave up on you retards a while ago. but you keep coming back.

how. does. it. do. it.

wouldn't it be embarrassing if none of you can get past this simple question? haha imagine if that was the case haha how cringe would that be....

>>6966767
>completely irrelevant side tangent + insult
lol.

>>6966757
>third post
>still no argument
>still trying to outright invalidate what others say
>didn't prove anything wrong, but claims is wrong if others don't explain it even though they did
tripfag btfo once again

>>6966777
>completely irrelevant side tangent + insult
and yet all truthful!
also
>n-no u!
who mass replies in every goddamn thread he's in? but guess we're the ones obsessed because you shit on the carpet.

>>6966777
>Gymnastics to not admit that it was trained on images.
fucking kek this can't be real.

btw tripfag is just an attention whore
he never argues in good faith
he's just here to shit up and spam the board with AI
he is the epitome of the one who cries out in pain as he strikes you

why jannies haven't done shit to this literal spammer, is beyond me

>>6966789
"no you see it's learning!"

>>6966791
>why jannies haven't done shit to this literal spammer, is beyond me
Board doesn't have a caring mod that gives a fuck. so as long as it's not OUTRIGHT spam or anything illegal schizos reign untouched.
Mods don't care, I stopped caring long ago, you should too.

>>6966766
spam

>>6966799
>mods don't give a shit
I used to get banned for the most seriously innocuous shit, not even that long ago

Yet there are outright 24 hour spammers going untouched
Man, this is really some bullshit

>>6966805
>not even that long
It did felt like mods stopped caring at all for some time, none of my reports of obvious spam threads were addressed, that's when I knew this place is done for.
Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually cared about board quality. It's probably true.

>>6965978
I hate to admit it but even though the original sketch looks great and has a great sense of volume, I like the AI take a bit more overall if I don't zoom in too much. Which is to say the only good use I can think of is for learning, there are some very small changes in the AI pic that make perspective more believable and they could be used by the original artist to improve their own creation. But when these models have all been trained without consent it's hard to use them without feeling like a parasite, we would have to start from scratch with a true open source, learning oriented approach.
I know this will make the original artist mad but again, your sketch looks great.

>>6966814
I also cared, but this place is just overrun with legitimate tourists, dramafags and bad actors who do nothing but actually shit up the place non-stop.

It has become a (you) farm, maybe even rumored to be a board where you can """"apic droll le raysis 4chonger""".
I mean, look at tripfag, he posts like the amalgation of r*eddit-twitter-troonblr combined and injected with AIds constantly trying to get one over others. Same as with most fags who post here constantly trying to bait a "gotcha".

It's fucking unreal, man.

>>6966786
>your completely irrelevant side tangent is apparently truthful
and you're proud of it too! wow!
okay. you still didn't answer my question. almost like you avoid it every way you can.

>>6966789
man, it's really hard to argue for anything when you people lack this much reading comprehension.
i asked you what remains in the model, and what is being used during inference.
the information is in there (parts of it). but it is never whole again. it has been analyzed, picked apart, sorted by tokens. used in an abstract mathematical way that is completely removed from any of of those original tensors.

>muh tensors
also you know that even prompts get turned into tensors during inference, right? it's just the format that AI works with.

>>6966783
so you think that AI takes images and overlays them.
i told you back then that's wrong.
and it's still wrong. not only is it wrong. it wouldn't even work. think context dependant stuff. for example everything relating to color, reflections and even style.
even a tiny bit of thinking could have gotten you this far. and yet you still proudly post your retardation like it's a medal. :)

>>6966817
you mean the actual AI output (>>6966294) or my end result?

>>6966821
lol mad
>verification not required

>>6966821
>you're wrong
No.
Given your reaction i must actually be on point.
Although, whether you agree or disagree really doesn't mean much since you have zero credibility at this point, you clown.

>>6966821
>completely irrelevant side tangent
this is ic, you having lacking an artistic fiber is very relevant :3

I like AI, there I said it!

>>6966821
I mean your end result, but some of those small changes I mentioned are there in the actual AI output, even if it looks like shit as a whole.

>>6966820
>look at tripfag
Nah, all he shits is just a white noise.

>>6966829
So do I, but i won't ever call it what it isn't or use it as a crutch to finally larp as le epic artiste.
On the other hand, people really have lost all self-respect that they try to shill this as the second coming of tecnochrist, just to siphon some money from gullible coomers like tripfag.

>let me keep trying to run around in circles when I have been incapable of justifying morally, ethically or artistically the use of AI
keep justifying using a horse makes you a better runner

>>6965971
what program do u even use for ai art + does it cost money
honestly i see the value in ai as a reference tool but i know nothing about it

>>6966708
AI is stealing, but something that never made sense to me is when people extended that to even referencing AI while manually drawing being morally bad. By that logic, you're stealing if you ever referenced any other artist's work without their consent ever. I like using AI for inspiration but anyone who uses the raw outputs and calls that "their art" is a lazy cunt.

AI is only good for generating mindless coom.
You're kidding yourself if you're using it for more than that or even worse: calling yourself an artist.
lmao
ur just pressing button

Oh and tripfags art is pretty good and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>6966820
>Same as with most fags who post here constantly trying to bait a "gotcha".
Wasn't like this before covid. The lack of moderation attracts spastic children who got nothing better to do than shitpost and shit up random places. For me it's all stated with tonyofag and his semi successful attempt to stir big drama and turn this place into insane asylum. I hope whoever that was overdosed on whatever he was on. And then floodgates opened.

>>6966829
>>6966845
"I'm trans btw"

>>6966840
Nobody said its morally bad to reference ai. The whole point is how it was made. The moral may come from whether u're ok with using this unethically trained software. AI stole. But you are using it.

>gaise gaise being a epic prompter is like soo complex its not just pressing button and moving sliders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky5ZB-mqZKM

>tripfags art
He didn't do anything tho its all stolen, might as well trace art and call it your own original work
lmao

i'll do a bit more and call it a day.
i found some compositions i like, a window is a must probably

>>6966832
i mean yeah, that's the point of using it. small details like the texture of a street, some of the folds, some details that might be good adds. (or shit like >>6966006)
but you have to remember to stay in control. for example iirc the AI suggested to make one of the arms thinner. and it wasn't unreasonable but i decided to not use it like that.

>>6966837
stable diffusion and it's free.

>>6966840
you're so close, yet so far. because the AI itself is not stealing either. it is generalizing and learning from patterns.
and the proof of that is in the fact that it can APPLY what it has learned to new scenarios. not for everything and not perfectly, depending on the concept, but it is clearly doing that.

>be me
>play videogame
>call myself a videogame developer because i can adjust the graphics settings

>>6966829
so brave. now do the braver thing and kill yourself

>>6966854
NAI3 looks so much better than this

>>6966853
>WOW I NEEDED AI TO TELL ME TO ADD A WINDOW
next generation is so fucked imaginatively wise

>>6966853
It can generalize and form patterns because it stole images for the dataset it can do that from. There would be no models without data.
>nooo its learning just like you would whats the difference
oh shut up and stop justifying this shit. no self respecting fag would want their work to be unknowingly used to train patterns on a machine. yes it does matter. inspiring someone to draw is not the fucking same as inspiring someone to "save as" your nfts and make a monkey sd model based off them so they can spam "references".

>>6966840
>you're stealing if you ever referenced any other artist's work without their consent ever
if you claim the result as yours and not a study, yes. unless it's public domain? but then still yes depending on context.

>>6966857
Isn't that the cowards way out?

>>6966861
I guess you just gotta start creditting every motherfucker with opposable thumbs since 30,000 BC

>>6966867
Yes, exactly that. good job.

>ai threads are just tripfags personal blog where he posts about telling ai what he wants to jerk off to
at this point, not even a nuclear strike will save us from these subhumans

So both shitty threads aside, Ai should never be used for anything but time restrains. Unless there's literally no more time doing it by hand, Ai should never be used. If the animators love doing what they do, then let them do it. There's no benefit hyper pumping out shitty content sec after sec because we naturally evolved to need breaks from stimulation, and the auitist demographics of post 1990s kids are dying out too fast to worth pandering to their autistic short term minds.

>>6966874
Ah but what if my ai use serves a purpose? a means to an end? the world needs my 1girl doing nothing interesting!

My guess is within the next 10 years 99% of all digital art will be AI at least in part, if not fully.

>>6966874
That isn't really the issue.
AI will be used by companies trying to save time and cut costs, by pushing out even more mediocre content then they already do and then blame it on the consumers if their shit don't sell.
They're going to keep memeing hard until aislop is what you'll consume and you will like it.

It's more about the further degeneration of society that seeks to become ""more efficient"" through technology, instead of mastering a craft.
The normiecattle consumer will expect nothing but aislop because
>ohmaga da pretty pictures
and anything else will be irrelevant.
You can see this effect with art, where everyone wants and expects porn and nothing else.
Everyone just responds and reacts to porn.
Everything must be consumed and created on a whim, because life is about consuming content non-stop.

We're entering an era of utter mediocrity that if the species manages to survive, historians will wonder how in the fuck did people even think this shit was a good idea.

>>6966859
i already added a window in my sketch, retard. the AI just shows me ways of incorporating one.
in truth i do want that right wall/plane to be further away, and i'm working on that right now.

>>6966860
>It can generalize and form patterns because it stole images for the dataset it can do that from. There would be no models without data.
because the knowledge needs to come from somewhere.
you're asking for an AI that can figure out centuries and millenia of art entirely on its own, without having to see any human art. and maybe one day that will be a thing, but currently it still only learns what humans already did.

>nooo its learning just like you would whats the difference
i mean what do you think is the difference? it learns concept of an apple by seeing a bajillion apples. it knows it's shape, its textures, colors and different contexts, as well as related concepts.
what it considers is your input, be it prompt or something else. as well as the context of the image it trying to create.
what it does not consider is any particular image in its training data, which is no longer there in its original form. what remains is what the model has learned from the training data.

do you think this is a justification? because this is just how the AI works.

how can you say that a human something very similar to this without abandon, without ever asking anyone for permission or paying anyone. but a machine doing the same needs to ask permission?
the knowledge, information was open but suddenly it becomes gated? how does that work in your mind?

>retard who can't think for himself nor make any arguments has ai doing all his thinking and work
the embodiment of a cattle
holy shit

I'd honestly shoot myself in the head with an arrow if i were you, triptard

>>6966877
Already is. 30 million AI image generator users(estimate) pumping out 4 images a minute. for 2 years. I think we may have to consider that this is not Art in any meaningful sense.

>>6966885
>knows
>considers
Just marry it already.

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>>6966885
>how can you say that a human something very similar to this without abandon, without ever asking anyone for permission or paying anyone. but a machine doing the same needs to ask permission?
>the knowledge, information was open but suddenly it becomes gated? how does that work in your mind?
When a human learns from artwork, they are engaging in a deeply personal and subjective experience. They bring their own emotions, memories, and interpretations to the artwork, creating a unique understanding that is inherently human. This process is not just about acquiring information, but also about personal growth and emotional connection.
When a machine ‘learns’ frm artwork, it is essentially processing data. It doesn’t have personal experiences or emotions to bring to the artwork. It doesn’t ‘understand’ the artwork in the way a human does. it simply analyzes patterns and generates output based on its programming.
When a human learns from an artwork, they are not ‘using’ the labor of the artist in the same way a machine does.
The artist created the artwork for people to see, interpret, and learn from. It’s a form of communication, a sharing of ideas and emotions. But when a machine processes artwork, it could be seen as exploiting the artist’s labor for its own purposes, without the artist’s consent.

>>6966890
kek

>>6966885
a human is able to learn from artwork without asking anyone for permission or paying anyone, because a human is a part of a culture and a history that values and honors the artistic heritage and legacy.
But a machine doing the same needs to ask permission, because a machine is a product of a technology and a science that requires and demands the ethical and legal regulation and supervision.

Dumb tripfag. Kys you no appeal retard. Why are you so obsessed with posting about this?

Image generators are a product.

way too many tools, but that's if for now.

eh, i wonder what bringing it all together actually will take.
i can see myself just redrawing the entire scene, but taking ideas from various gens as reference. but in that case it's all manual and i basically used the AI as an elaborate reference tool. but i'm sure there's more to be gotten out of here.
also i want to focus a bit more on composition, color lighting in my next experiments, as here i mostly focused on creating a fitting background.
but in theory i could use any step here as an input for the next step.

>>6966897
>When a human learns from artwork, they are engaging in a deeply personal and subjective experience. They bring their own emotions, memories, and interpretations to the artwork, creating a unique understanding that is inherently human. This process is not just about acquiring information, but also about personal growth and emotional connection.
this is ultimatively just more information.
not only more, a lot more, and a lot more varied. and not only in the form of images.

>When a machine ‘learns’ frm artwork, it is essentially processing data.
"data" like what a dog looks like and what its features are.

>It doesn’t have personal experiences or emotions to bring to the artwork.
because it doesn't have personal anything. it only a highly specific tool build for image generation.

>It doesn’t ‘understand’ the artwork in the way a human does. it simply analyzes patterns and generates output based on its programming.
it does understand in sofar as it relates to visuals. in pic related, it sees an open window. so it knows that thre should be light.
it doesn't know what light means, what emotions it evokes, but it understands how it should look like based on what it has learned.
its entire world is visuals.

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>>6966903
it needs some regulation in terms of deepfake laws and maybe even plagiarism laws. but what is your basis for saying the AI shouldn't be allowed to learn certain areas of knowledge (like modern human art)?
isn't that almost entirely based on it being a competitor?
because even ethically speaking, i think it is more ethical for even AI bros to be able to make art than the not.

anyway going to sleep now.

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>>6966853
>you have to remember to stay in control
Sure but let's not be naive, this tech is designed to improve to the point where no human artist will need to be involved to get perfect results. Look at how far it's come already. If you enjoy this then more power to you, all I see is a depressing dystopia though.

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>>6966919
Goodnight, see you on the next one.

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>>6966915
this looks much worse than the straight up AI versions? what the fuck was the point?

trip arguing with ai lol

>>6966929
Most human art looks worse than the straight up AI version, such is life.

>>6966923
>Sure but let's not be naive, this tech is designed to improve to the point where no human artist will need to be involved to get perfect results.
and how will that work in your mind? what will that look like?
in my view, it's not a question of need. artists will always want to express themselves. even if you're not needed, you'll do it anyways.

even in chess, where humans have long been leapfrogged, people still play the game, because they want to.

and i'm even more optimistic here because art is subjective and always will be. so it's not such a simple thing for AI to be "better" than humans in this field.
even if it gets to the point where AI is an uncontested virtuoso, it still won't necessarily invalidate expert art that is at a lower level than it, or even amateur art. because they can be enjoyed for different reasons.
because art is just that subjective.
>>6966929
eh, true probably. it's too cluttered.
the painting style itself makes it even more busy.
but i like the environment, and it could be used for its depth map or linework. (for example pic related is what i used to get >>6966915)
tomorrow i'll probably put more work into thinking about composition and color before finalizing it.

in general i still have issues with the background. i like some of the window compositions, but none of them are it still.
now that i think about it, it might be a little too mundane. i originally wanted to have a mech somewhere in the back to the right. maybe i'll try to get it in after all.

going into the word count the AIfags wanted to type up is this (pic related) and on one of the other threads it around 4,500
>and I think that was just tripfag
prob gonna need put a video playing in the background to keep focus looking at all that shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5KtBKk4hC0

>>6966952
>what will that look like?
It will look like too many people being unemployed or working poor to be able to afford buying paper to practice drawing. Utopias are cool but it doesn't look like we're moving towards one, I would be a tech optimist too otherwise.

came here to call op a fag

hm, i figure i should try to show more of the workshop. maybe try to show what she is working on, and more context for everything...