/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6964405
I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH SENTIENT ROCKS

Eat makimas ass

>>6962469
i didn't get to post this in time before the other thread started saging, but here's my take on your character

i agree with what >>6963907 said her face is too cartoony and big compared to her more realistic body in your original drawing. i made it smaller and toned down the face a little, and changed her silhouette a bit. other than that, i don't see many issues other than general anatomy stuff you can improve on through figure drawing. i also tried to redraw her in a more cartoony style while keeping her features. i changed up her outfit too. looking back i think i prefer your outfit but oh well. hope the ideas and input helps

i don't get when perspective should be used. i know about vp, hl, but why doesn't every drawing use them and why some drawings get away with drawing some sort of fake perspective? is every drawing without perspective just a "perfect" one point perspective?

>>6964405
All three of these are just beg with barely a difference in skill, who made this image?

Oh man oh boy I haven't drawn in a big, long, horribly enormous ammount of time.
The horribly enormously long time I haven't drawn is.......4 minutes. Fuck you howie and fuck you crabs

>>6964431
the "int" guy, obviously

>>6964405
the last one is the definition of a polished turd

>>6964405
beg > perma beg > int

>>6964405
The pics get worse as you move from perma beg to int but I guess that’s the joke

>>6964426
Depends on how you draw. Some artists don’t consider perspective at all because they use sight-size or just copy shapes. If you draw constructively then perspective is absolutely essential. It allows you to draw from imagination and you have so much more freedom since you can combine refs with this imaginary framework in your head

>>6964426
Just remember “parallel lines converge” and “things get smaller when they’re further away” and then just wing it. Especially for figure drawing.

>>6964405
The level of detail of an artistic expression is not a guarantee of quality. Surely unnecessarily detailed art is op's wet dream.

There can be 'simple and creative art' and 'overloaded/boring art'. Stop lying and confusing people with your arbitrary rules. The only thing that matters is 'balance' (creating input that obeys innate psychological structures) and 'creativity' (the 'non-arbitrary' deviation/permutation of these structures).

People like you are the ones who prevent the West from creating its own macrostyle that competes head to head with 'Tezukism'...

Can anyone help me? I'm trying to make a gesture from this pose but I have no idea whats going on behind the drapery, it's some sort of medieval magic

>>6964479
Picked up a bunch of books with medieval "masters" thinking copying them would be a great exercise but the devious plays going on the canvas are way beyond my beg ass

>>6964479
How the fuck did they manage to make something this dynamic in the 1600s
I can copy balerina and contortionist gestures but this stumps me

>>6964480
medieval masters had great rendering but shit ass gestures, people laugh at them today for this reason, a lot of the characters are overly stiff, look high or retarded

>>6964494
No way dude try to deconstruct it into a gesture from the pic and you'll see what I mean

>beg >permabeg > """"int"""""

the int one literally could be AI and no one would tell the difference

I still don’t draw. Carry on.

>>6964502
I'm looking at the painting and I'm not sure what the fuck is that woman(?) doing. If you have to "deconstruct" a gesture then it's a failed gesture

>>6964405
need some actual help, i can construct things pretty comfortably but i absolutely cannot comprehend shading and coloring, any tips?

Funk you.

This image sucks compared to that other one I'd seen that explained the tiers and sub tiers (low-mid-high) so succinctly. You should be ashamed of yourself OP.

>>6964535
>i can construct things
about that

there was an anon in here that posted a piece they were working on, so i thought i’d try to do what they did, but just with the rag doll. threw a lil anime face on. idk, trying new things.

kill me lmao.

>>6964472
>The level of detail of an artistic expression is not a guarantee of quality
Not op, but fuck I never actually thought about this

drew from memory and this figure turned into an old advert I remembered

>>6964535
>i can construct things pretty comfortably

beg on beg

Is this Reilly breakdown correct?

>>6964575

how do expect people to respond seriously when you can't even bother to do this on a drawing tablet.

I seek critiques. I see now that the accuracy is not that good, have to work on simplifying shapes. How is my brushwork however? I'm having some problems blending the soft edges.

>>6964612
kinda just looks unfinished

>>6964598
I'm at work I don't have my tablet with me

>>6964563
I should've clarified that I meant this as a super begginer, I'm still working on my basics most of the time and I only do those pieces for additional practice so I just want to get all the tips i can

>>6964550
>>6964563
cover the face, its not that bad.

Recently spent a few days at a mental institution which really changed my perspective on life and other things. I'm no good currently, but hopefully years from now I can tell the stories I wanna tell, I'm already a bit scared about TRULY starting when I'm gonna be 21 in August.

Someone recommended me Peter Han's dynamic sketching 1, so i'm gonna try that.

>>6964626
Yeah, I wasn't making much progress, felt like it was getting worse the more I worked on it.

>>6964662
well you gotta keep working on it anyway. youre gonna be permabeg if you dont force yourself to be uncomfortable.

>>6964575
every time i try to do construction on top of an actual photo like this it ends badly

How should her lower legs and feet connect this pose always filters me

>>6964575

https://youtu.be/OtE_tkc-X20

>>6964688

video on different method of head construction

https://youtu.be/Cb8_YV5H7Po

Recommend something simple and fun to draw in trad because I'm losing my shit trying to draw people

>>6964739
draw a model t

>>6964739

I'm going for sharp anime style. But I can't create the appeal. Having trouble with eyes and poses/angle that isn't upper body/portrait, which makes it look so boring.

How does the perspective of eyes actually work?
They're supposed to stay in straight line, but you look from above or below, it seems to be more of v-shape.

hello beg, this book now tried to explain all of the perspective on like 4 pages. this book is utter joke. i dont recommend pain with pencil to anyone ever. tommorow will be the last of it. thank art god

>>6964739
this is how drawers die: they are frustrated, try to pick "simple" object and then they die while trying to draw it (the simple objects show any innacuracy easier than complex ones)
>>6964612
looks solid. now adjust the brush to be thin, set opacity to 50% and do the dark yellow and bright white spots to imply the texture of lemon skin and its int
>>6964479
>>6964493
i am pretty sure it is not possible to bend two legs in such drastic different angles. thats probably why you cannot draw through the figure, cause the hips are broken
>>6964426
look at my shit. especially the stairs with figures. i didnt use helping lines with VPs, resulting in very BEG output. the more PRO you need to be, the more perspective tricks you should be using. if you are just doodling anime thot in a vacuum then you can pretend perspective doesnt exist

>>6964770
>(the simple objects show any innacuracy easier than complex ones)
People are fairly complex yet any inaccuracy is quite visible

>>6964677
Yeah this isn't looking good so far

>>6964770

>>6964776
Be patient and continue. It doesn't look bad in my opinion but also clearly isn't finished. Put time into it and see how you feel when it's done. Challenge yourself to shade it too

>>6964770
nigga do you honestly thinks this looks good

>>6964782
The eyes are a mile away from the nose, but I'll try when I'm done at work

Started Morpho yesterday. Just wanted to check, I'm doing these studies correctly right?
Rather, is there a right or wrong way to even be doing them so long as I'm doing them?

>>6964420
Holy shit, thank you! Pardon the shit picture, but yeah, I’m making the style more cohesive and am doing more life drawing. Figuring out basic shapes and proportions.

>>6964853
I know realistic proportions, so I’m figuring out how a stylized design would differ from reality

>>6964765
give him sauron eyes

>>6964405
i always saw permabeg more as a mentality than an actual point of development

>>6964426
try having a more nuanced view on perspective
you usually be thinking in 3d space but don't start every drawing thinking you need to create a grid (although you can do that if you want to and of course part of thinking in 3d is having an intuition on that)
your only goal as an artist should be making a drawing that looks good

start doing more life drawing, and urban and dynamic sketching to help develop an intuition

I just finished writing a oneshot, thanks to the anon who said i could make a comic last thread, This panel is not from the comic itself,

>>6964884
looks good. definitely would love seeing more of your stuff float around.

>>6964884
Do you have any socials?

>>6964535
my 2 cents

>>6964782
This really doesn't get the guys likeness at all. Fuck.

>>6964842
Yep, you’re doing them right. As long as you’re actually doing studying, it doesn’t really matter what they look like. There isn’t really a wrong way do draw them, as long as you copy/study them with attention. You’re doing this to understand what the drawings are trying to teach you. If you get to a part where you don’t understand what’s going on, or you’re having trouble conceptualizing it for yourself, draw it over again and/or ask for help. While these look pretty good, aesthetic or technique is not at all the point here. You can do them in crayon or finger painting. As long as they’re true enough to the original that you’re actually learning something, they can look like whatever. The lines can be ugly or sloppy or scratchy — as long as you’re paying attention and not being sloppy in your learning of the forms. You have to draw them with intent, on purpose. When you’re studying, ask yourself “What is he trying to show me? What is this drawing trying to demonstrate? What is the idea he’s trying to teach here?”

For bonus points on really grokking something, once you understand the construction and the idea you’re being shown, draw it again from memory. Or, even better, this time do your own version of it. Not to recreate the exact image from memory, but to use the construction/idea you’re learning in a simplified drawing of your own. For example, if the if the concept being taught is “the neck is like a tube clamped between the middle of the clavicles in front and middle of the traps in back, and the traps and clavicles meet at the ends to form the top of the shoulder,” like you see in figure 3 there, draw the Morpho version and then draw your own take using/showing that same idea. Or draw a couple simplified diagrams of the forms from imagination using the information you’re learning from Morpho. Or try to draw the Morpho drawing from a different angle.

Am I retarded? I really don't understand the whole concept of "point perspective." I've never heard of a film director or 3D artist going like 'Yeah, I'm going to show this scene in two-point perspective."

>>6964931
everything is 3p perspective, but sometimes we can simplify or enhance like with lens

>>6964405
I am the night.

>>6964931
all 3 dimensional objects can be depicted by 3 point perspective, some objects in some orientations can be depicted in 2 or 1 point perspective

>>6964918
Thanks for the write-up, Anon. First time doing studies like these, so I appreciate it.
I like the idea of doing my own version of each one, so I think I'll start doing that too from now on.

One other question — for Morpho, is it made so that I'm supposed to do the sections in chronological order, or can I jump around the book and do it in whatever order I want? Sometimes when I'm drawing, I'll feel like "ah fuck, I really don't get how this part of the arm is supposed to look." It would be nice to jump to the arms section to help figure it out, but idk if that would fuck with the process, if there even is one.
Thanks again, regardless.

>>6964931
single points is retarded version artists come up with to not get insane. everything camera or eye register is always in six point and you can't pick and choose it, it's just how light works, you can only try to minimize some distirtions. operator picks how wide lenses he will shoot scene with

What's the actual best way to draw heads? I get the best result when I look for big shapes and just mark a cross. I know a lot of people say loomis but my drawings are legit 100x worse if I try to follow loomis and I'm not even going to try reilly method. I know a lot of /pros/ say loomis but atleast Vilppu said he isn't a fan of loomis.

>>6964953
from observation? just see what you're looking at.
from imagination? Loomis

>>6964955
Yeah I'm talking about from observation, what you're saying makes sense actually.

>>6964953
>a little squished ball
>mark the eyes and center line
>draw the chin
>connect the chin
>draw the ear

it's literally 30 seconds

>>6964959
>Cross
>Shapes
My method is 10 seconds

yo im back after a weekend bender of sex and drugs. here's a quick 30 min practice for the day. face shape is off again but yo i'mma be real... i think my reference is fucking AI!!!!

As I was working on it, i was like, why are her features appearing as if she's mostly looking perpendicular to the camera but her skull appears to be turned three quarters left?

Anyway I'm still ass but I won't always be that way. Don't reply to this to tell me about any fucking books i'm already working on keys to drawing.

Skull shape is ass

>>6964972
You really captured the look of the reference, I can see that you took great care and consideration into getting all the features and shapes right¨. Just by one look at it one is able to tell that you put in a lot of effort into this drawing.

>>6964770
that is a megaschizo image

>>6964895
my 3 cents

>>6964612
you need to use more oil paint, mix is with linseed oil to get better accurassy

"problemm" of loomis is it's 3d and 3d is hard. if you just copy from flat image operating in 3d space is redundant most of the time.

>>6964990
>if you just copy from flat image operating in 3d space is redundant most of the time.
lmao
post your work I want to see how this applies

I've never seen a demo of anyone good drawing where they actually do Loomis or Reilly for their own drawings.
>"They've done it a million times already so they don't need it anymore"
I'm convinced they're just tricking us into becoming constructoids.

speaking of head this popped up in my recommended and holy shit does this guy make it look effortless
https://youtu.be/chJZryfCw8I?si=mnKSPCT0W1UJbReB
>inb4 shilling your own video
i fucking wish

>>6964976
wow someone’s mad they can’t respond with the name of a book

>>6964997
https://youtu.be/f0zi9YI6Pyg

>>6965027
That's neither Loomis nor reilly.

It's a start, I guess

>>6965032
My apologies, I forgot it's not construction if you don't use Loomis or Reilly or even deviate from it a little bit

>>6965037
My bad, meant to post it upright

>>6965043
>beg
>starting with digital
ngmi

>>6964575
Yes, now do this 10 thousand times before you allow yourself to draw 1(one) cute girl.

>>6965047
It's over before it's begun...

>>6965043
great! , I like the swirl on the nose, you are now officially /beg/ enjoy the ride have fun!

It's something.

>>6965058
Thank you! I tried really hard to get the swirl right, even if the rest of the face (and hands) look rough.

>>6965061

>>6964681
I can't tell which pose exactly you have in mind but I tried a few

>>6964765
I mean...it looks pretty good to me IMO.

Maybe you could tidy up the lineart a bit? Like one more lineart pass ought to do it.

>>6964765
Also what is that sticking out the left side of his head? A sideways hairbun? Looks kinda weird.

>>6964405
I am pretty comfortable with drawing boxes, cylinders, and gesture. I was planning on drawing gesture, construction, layer on top of a book like Hampton, Loomis, Bridgeman or something to get a feel for how it all fits on a form and how the muscles and bones connect. Is this a good approach or should I only ever use the book as a reference?

>>6963592
>>6963735
>>6963991
>>6964405
Took the advice from last thread and started studying Morpho (bottom right is from imagination; the rest are copies).

how do i draw eyes?

>>6965037
>>6965043
not a day goes by I don’t think about this ugly upside-down old fuck and how much I hate his fucking guts

further morpho and perspective/form practice earlier in the day
when do i stop drawing crackhead faces

Pain with a pencil. How everyone but (You) can learn how to draw.
I did this a year ago and havent improved shit.

Some sketches I did at work. Doodling ON THE MAN'S dime is so fucking comfy.

I have been trying to grind through Loomis books but they are ao fucking boring holy fuck it takes me conscious effort to meep my pencil on the paper reading that insipid shit.
Is there any weeb loomis who will teach me fundies with hot anime bitches?

>>6965061
?

How do I make sure I'm understanding what's going on in the drawings I'm copying vs just basically life drawing them?

>>6965189
imagine it in a different angle

Day 31 of learning the basics n whatnot. crap. spent most of the time playing vidya like a dumbass, but I did manage to throw up some garbage before I go to bed ahaha.

>>6965178
The only thing I can say about your doodles is that you are shy, a combination of bridgman (rhythm chapter) and copying norakura_(nr_kura) sketches will help you in your goals


>>6964906
the likeness comes from a sprinkle of stylistic decisions (deviation from the standard), also measure more often learn the proportions rules the eyes are a little bit apart, also a little too much space between left eye and the face outline. tl;dr measure more. But I like the thousand mile stare

Why does putting something out there and having it get ignored or shit on feel so bad.

>>6965196
>You are shy
What?

>>6965115
Cool anon. I am also studying morpho

felt like doing a second one today
- eye sizes aren't right
- FACE TOO LONG!!!!
- nose too long
- lips too far from nose

i continue on

>>6965203
I'm guessing he means holding yourself back with stiff posing idk

>>6965208
Where are your thirds, son?

>>6965203
in your strokes and poses, they are too straight/stiff be more extreme with the angle between the hip and the ribcage.

>>6964889
Thanks!
>>6964894
yes! @Nodd_0 on twitter, it was my personal acc but i will mainly post art from now on

>>6965221
Increible, tenía un presentimiento que este estilo era muy argentino kek

Is it odd to just not use reference all that much? I draw in a cartoony style and only very occasionally will I look up a type of person or face to remind myself of things but generally it's just off the dome. How common is this?

>>6965216
thirds meaning the distance between hairline/brow, brow/nose-tip, and nose-tip/chin all being equidistant thirds?

I believe they are mostly equidistant in my drawing, just too long. Well, the brow/nose-tip third might be longer than the other two

>>6965224
jjajaj, que grande!, como te diste cuenta?

>>6965228
now this is some bullshit right here

>>6965208

this angle was too hard for me, I’m not sure how to fix it. I think the back of the head and the ear are a problem. That nose gave me trouble too

>>6965232
las manos, ojos y nariz me recordaba mucho al principito y los argentos por lo general les gusta mucho eso.

Going back to the very basics with Drawing the Head and Hands because anons keep telling me I don't have fundies for shit and I am a retard who just copies shit.

Is it just construction? Is the fundies literally just that? Constructing shit?

>>6965108
cont.
Here is me adding gesture, bones, and construction to some figures. I am using the Hampton method. Is everything where it should be? I want to be sure I am placing forms in the correct locations and at the right orientation before I move on to the nightmare that is anatomy.

>>6965241

>>6965228
waist seems a bit high, depends what proportions you're going for i guess

>>6965253
U r a genius thank you anon

>finally managed to build a habit and drew consistently for 4 days
>last day of sick leave
god damn it

kind of satisfied with my heads for now, gonna start grinding shoulders and torsos now
any critique is helpful please and thank you!

>>6965306
the eyes just arent quite looking in the same direction.

tried to make him look at deranged as possible, still not satisfied

PLEASE someone tell be what is the new best figure drawing book everyone on ic is using I HATE Mark Huston and v*llpu

>>6965306
There's too much empty space between the nose and the mouth. I suggest that you either make the nose longer or the face shorter (if not both).

>>6965347
>>6965306
can also just do this

>>6965344
we're in our morphologist era now bro

I drew a lich desu

>>6965350

>>6965180
You know your Megaman characters, anon.

I ought to have said this in the initial post but any advice or criticism? Regarding expressing intense feelings, or this drawing in general?

>>6965066
Büttiful
Thanks I ended up scrapping it but I like what you have

>>6965336
If it wasn't for the dark spot between his eyes he'd look like someone who's genuinely enjoying his time at the range

>>6965205
more morpho copies

>>6965336
https://youtu.be/rOYuTOZ6Q0o

I'm cooking something probably a cat shit but I am cooking.

anons, can anyone help me turn this image into a prompt?

>>6965322
>>6965347
>>6965350
thank you anons for your inputs, hopefully this looks better

does strabismus affect my ability to learn?

>>6965336
ref the American psycho guy

>>6965501
nigga what?

>>6965507

>>6965241
love your girls

>>6965473
Ayami Kojima, Anne Rice, Interview with the Vampire, Louis de Pointe du Lac, Gothic.

Fuck you all, I quit drawing.

>>6965274
Hehe, first time?

>>6965200
They see you're in the process of learning and on the verge of an artistic gains
Those who know don't respond because they see you're on the right path
Crabs don't respind because they fear you holding a pencil and drawing so they hope by not shittalkin you will lose interest and defeat yourself, become resemtful and join them
Carry on drawing and keep this in mind anon

what's the point of learning boxes? does it make it easier to get the perspective right or something?

>>6965615
You gain the ability to look at people irl and if they are not fat you can draw a simplified version of them in perspective of your chosing by drawing a box as their torso another smaller box as the pelvis, etc

>>6965622
you have to be 18 or older t-to p-p-post here-re-rebididiskibididobdobyes

>>6965365
N9OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>6964612
>>6964770
>>6964626
Turns out the reason it felt "off" to me was because of the lack of detailing.

Can I get a critique of this sketch?
Why are there two threads.

>>6964972

why you use fucking AI trash as ref? use portraits of real people.

i think im finally getting it

My favorite bird

>>6965509
Probably but if one of your eyes is stable you should be able to get around it if you use that eye to focus. blind people can paint. at most you may or may not have depth perception issues but if you don't irl you probably won't on paper.

>>6965721
the arms aren't that cylicndrical the narrow at the elbow, some of the back of the ear should be vissible.... ughh some roomis is needed..

>Is it just construction? Is the fundies literally just that? Constructing shit?

>>6965752
what boxes did you use to construct the bird?

>>6965801
Thanks for the redline, but isnt the left wrist a bit too narrow? I noticed the cylindrical arms.
Also any tips on laying out a face at awkward angles like that? yours looks miles better than mine.
I appreciate the added slut features.

>>6964405
What level do I belong? I guess I'm beg :)

Fuc

>>6964420
I also redrew that anons OC but never posted it because I started having fun and put my own style into it so it felt wrong to post it as a critique. (I also got lazy around the shoes) Oh well
>>6964853
Here you go :^) This was mostly for fun, I like how anxious she is here

>>6965822
>but isnt the left wrist a bit too narrow
you werent suppossed to notice that

I'm such a fucking loser, I should never draw. I feel bad I even tried. It's been years and my art is shit shit shit.

>>6965824
Yes, also please resize.

>>6965732
Some good work here, but it lacks cohesion. The line thickness is all over the place, with the background lacking any lines, the old man having thick comic styled lines, and the fairy having ultra thin lines. Bring a more uniform approach to the entire project would benefit you greatly.

I noticed that your colours seemed to be all over the place. A fun thing you can do is to go watch a movie or show and grab a screenshot of a scene with an interesting pallet, grab the colours off of that and notice how they look cohesive next to eachother. Grabbing a few images arms you with a pallets that you can reference or use in the future, don't make this a crutch, but it's okay to as long as you learn from it!

>>6965824
Lowbeg just based on how you drew the face
The subject matter is fairly simple but isn't really done skillfully. Keep trying, you'll get there one day.

>>6965834
actually I don't think the wrist is that narrow, its just that the forearm is bit too bulgy

>>6965374
This is very charming, thanks for posting. >>6965406
It's always nice to see this kind of study for me. Keep it up!

yep i get it

More cozy tips from this guy
https://youtu.be/8tLkunsizSw?si=nrbE9R7p-rPfrsn_

>>6964760

WITNESS ME

>>6964760

haha its so easy now
i feel powerful again

>>6965947

>>6965832
I love it so much!!! I’m glad that people are having fun with her design. Thanks for the art!

>>6965868
Thanks for the advice I really apreactiate it!
Yeah I have difficulties with the colors especially in a full scene and not just a dude floating on a blank canvas.
The elf I had just resized without the going over the lines again to get the same thickness, forgot it.
I'll try the moodboard thing for colors.

>>6965522
Thank you anon!

What do you guys think? Is that dude ok?

WHAT ARE FUNDIES?

>>6966007
They're

>>6964405
so pic related is permabeg?
really?

well, it is what it is
next time will be better
and i know the eyes are particularly bad with too little space between them etc.
i tried to exaggerate some proportions but i failed at that, again, next time will be better.

Some kid in the same niche fandom I inhabit went from prooompter to a reasonably decent /beg/ way better than me with good proportions and perspective within a couple months.
I don't know what to think.
Seeing others just make it look so easy makes me wish I could just give up.

>>6966099
Just draw more and pretend you don't draw that much, thats the trick to get ahead
Fucking /fit/ taught me this you never say you're going to the gym if anyone asks you say you just take out the garbage once a week or help your grandma with groceries

>>6966005
FUNDIES

give tips'n trix for hands please.

>>6966138
just use a 3d model ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>6966040
Looks photorealistic! You aren't beg

Should I draw the milf reaching out or holding her hand up? I'm really just looking for appeal, sorry about the giantess junk

>>6966154
could be /beg/ luck. I also happened to make a very nice face when I was copying from a photo and used very light shading. It is a good drawing though, I give him that.

>>6964405
This farting girl is kinda cute, most permabegs can't reach this level of charisma.

Permabeg here. 45 minutes, fucked up the shading, placemement of muscles, asscrack, everything... THAT'S what you get for taking a year off drawing. Don't make the same mistake, lads.

Just beg things

Tried to implement my gesture and bean practice into this one. I like that it doesn't feel stiff.

anyone else like to tape a piece of paper to their tablet for texture?

do you guys also feel like this when drawing?

>verification not required

>>6966265
There are tablet screen screen covers designed to mimic paper

>>6966281
yeah i have one for my ipad, i mean a screen-less tablet though

>>6966128
please dont do this, its incredibly immature.

>>6966253
Good stuff

>>6966138
ai god...

>>6966284
You could probably just slap one of those screen covers on your tablet anyway

>>6966303
yeah, i don't really like using screen tablets though, they fuck with my poster and aggravate a minor should injury i have

>>6964405
what are hard and soft round brushes referring to?

>>6964770
Hi Pawell. Always encouraging to see you striving. Can you offer my 2 cents? I think if you changed to a brush that varied line weight with pen pressure you might have more appealing linework. And I also think that sometimes it seems like you're rushing your practice drawings out, leading to sloppy forms that aren't really helpful. Sometimes it's just a little too messy, a little too haphazard.

>>6965048
Shit, I fucked up and tried drawing a cute girl before I got to 1000. Sorry Thandie Newton.

>>6964770
the eternal beg strikes again.

>>6965801
Where are the fucking boobs u motherfucker

>>6964575
no

>>6966272
Yes and also when out in public, I want to take pictures of things that have interesting effects on lighting or perspective or just cars at an angle I might want to draw later.

hey quick question, does furniture have gesture?

>>6966389
According to proko, gesture is in everything.

>>6966392
Actually, more like a quote from someone else said by proko, but I forgot the specific artists name that said it.

>>6966398
but there’s a general consensus that there’s gesture in everything then? i’m trying to figure out how to make this chair look not so wobbly, and i can kinda see the gesture in people, so i figure if i apply what i know about drawing figures to a chair, maybe it wouldn’t look like it does.

idk how to find the gesture in a chair though.

I DONT KNOW WHAT FUCKING FUNDes are. i am not learning shit.

HOW THE FUCK DOES AURISTICIALLY DRAWING SHOEBOEXES JELP ME DRAW HOT BARA TIGERS.

>>6966389
It has weight so it has gesture

Would doing Proko's Drawing Basics Course and then Proko's figure drawing course be a good start? The money is of no issue to me.

>>6966450
good start on the train to fucking nowhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyDLY25duNs

doin loomis on the bed

i really need a scanner

>>6966416
I'm personally not sure. But if one experienced artist says so, you probably could find gesture in anything. One analogy for gesture in nature they frequently use is of water or waves.
>>6966435
What are you trying to achieve by drawing that? Are you following a specific guide?
>>6966450
I haven't used the drawing basics one, but prokos figure drawing course is helpful.

right, buy a scanner to post your worthless loomis blooks to 4chan

Why buy a scanner when you could just not draw like this impossible retard >>6966472

>>6966311
>what are hard and soft round brushes referring to?
anyone?

loomis is a hack

First sketch ever, how bad is it?

>>6966483
What would your best guess be?

>>6966435
you need to learn how to see what's on your page in 3d before you can create a convincing illusion of it being 3d and boxes are the simplest 3d shape we can use to train that sense

Feeling kind of shitty because I think I’ve reached my current “max” for training my eye. I know shit is wrong and I can kinda feel what it is but I can’t pick it out on my own. What do I do to fix this?

>>6964575
no and use an actual construction method like loomis

OP you forgot to put the link in the previous thread. Been sitting in a dead thread wondering what happened like a retard.

>>6964405

>>6965727
Hard: No Gradation
Soft: Lot s of gradation
Gaussian: Mix of both.

Hello beg, few more pages of loomis left. Initially i wanted to skip them, but i really liked the drawings on the last few pages so i will grant loomis 1 more session. LOOMIS!

>>6966497
i dont see anything wrong. think less, draw more
>>6966491
apart from beg elbow and very typical beg nose it is kinda competent, you even felt the form and face is human like
>>6966483
i dont know what you are referring to, but HRB is the most basic brush in digital software. Even MS Paint has it: fully opaque, has shape of circle and does nothing else. Soft round is just HRB, but it has opacity on. Typically linked opacity to how much you press with the stylus
>>6966464
you can also simply clean up your photos before uploading. GIMP is free and shitton of filters for just that. also somehow your blooks are better than mine
>>6966435
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing
>>6966389
yes, even still objects have gesture, but unlike living things, nobody will ever try to crab your drawing of a chair saying it looks stiff and or unnatural, so making gesture of a chair is little redundant
>>6966321
>line weight with pen pressure
i actually have just that + transparency. if you zoom in you can see the faint lines i used for construction
>rushing your practice
i have no excuse, sometimes i bleed on canvas and the results are bloody. atm i am not focused on appeal, i am just trying to breach into construction
>>6966272
yes, since i started my permabeg journey i took multiple photos because i wanted to draw the scene later (i never did this before - taking photos of scenery nothing)
>>6966215
that ass is very sad like anti-coom type of ass
>>6966005
stop using soft brush for shading, be more confident with lines and that ass and legs are completely flat
>>6965954
no matter how many times i will see this i dont think its possible to bend legs like that
>>6965732
it is okay to use transform to make that fairy small, but you have to redo the linework so they are as thick as on the dude

>>6966464
Way more soulful than the trash that Pawell draws, good job

>>6966573
what have you learned from loomis

>>6966272
Sometimes. I'm a pretty bad artist though

>>6966031
OP is a nodraw

Vroom vroom, anything to change before i post?

>>6966675
that's a sexy fucking bike

>>6966675
background layers blur more? up to you
looks pretty awesome

>>6966675
i think you're in the wrong thread

today's practice sheet
>>6966573
brother take the morpho pill next,
also, I'm dying to see you draw an anime girl

Day 32 of learning the basics n whatnot. feelin lost on what to do to get better/get to my goal to drawing cool/cute animu's in cool poses so I just did random crap. also attempted some gesture. i should probably continue with the proko course or try out a perspective course? idk

>>6966675
butt needs to be bigger, not a meme

Does weed make you draw better?It's going to be legal in my country soon and I might try it

>>6966771
No, it just makes you feel better about being bad at it.

Paul Rubens copy

done some more earnest morpho today
getting confused by mixing different construction methods and then i have to just kinda fix the alignments and scales as i go but a lot of it is probably also in my shit observation skills

>>6964405
Jesus christ the FRRRRAAPPP list perfectly describes my art. How do I make it to intermediate? How long does it take?

>>6966746
Do you mind if I use one of your works as reference.

>>6966746
which morpho book do you recommend

witch wife

>>6966873
me and the bad bitch I pulled by being S T O U T

>>6966863
of course not bro, feel free to use it

>>6966868
Simplified Forms if it's one of your first anatomy books
Anatomy for Artists If you already have a basic understanding of anatomy
Hands and Feet is also very good for, well, hands and feet
The books have little text and the most important thing is to copy the pictures

>>6966880
How does simplified forms compare to Taco Point Character drawing? I've already downloaded like 8 books which cover beginner drawing kek. Michael Hampton is also teaching me to use simplified shapes for the muscles

>>6966892
Simplified Forms doesn't explain the muscles in detail, it shows how to represent shapes on the body's surface in a simple way, it's a very light book
Taco, I only saw the anatomical notes he posts on pixiv, but besides being in Korean I think you need to have prior knowledge of anatomy to understand the artistic choices he uses to make the simplifications.
Morpho also makes it clear that the figures in the book seem ambiguous, so that they can be used as a reference for both males and females.

How can I work on coloring. I know the posing and stuff is all kinds of scuffed but I really want to improve on rendering

i heard marshalls perspective course is one of the best out there and it even had homework and I was wondering; does he tell you the homework in the videos? or is there a separate thing I have to download for it

>>6966943
dont go decorating a house that will fall apart at the slightest breath

>>6966943
baby arms

>>6966747
Stick to one fundamental or course for a few weeks and try to have fun with what they teach you. With proko, watch the video on the topics he covers multiple times throughout a week and do multiple of them. Currently I'm doing gesture and the bean and am now doing the landmarks part.

I do them all together because it may give a better wider context to the point of the course and you don't want to stick too long to something like gesture or the bean which alone won't really make you better.

I appreciate your posts BTW, keep it up. Your journey will inspire others.

>>6966967
That seems like a good idea, sticking with 1 course. It might be dumb or too early, but I'll probably stick with perspective for a a bit then. The subject always interested me. And i'm glad man. I planned on stopping my posts because It felt like I was being an attention whore. I think i'll just stop counting the days like an anon suggested

>>6964420
Fucking love that redraw blog?

I have no idea of what I'm doing

I got separate layers for tone and another for values and no ref

>>6967002
use reference

>>6967012
This, reference is absolutely essential as a beginner.

why is the head measuring/8 head body proportion method still the default? it seems archaic and not very beginner friendly considering there are much simpler general methods out there.

>>6966747
use your 3dpd images to practice your anatomy and then use animai images to practice your anatomy then use your anatomy to draw stylized bitches
Ugh....leave gesture til the end.

>>6967028
>simpler general methods
like what

>>6967042
vilppu's method, for one. another I saw in a chinese character drawing book divides the torso into thirds at the should and bottom of the ribcage

>>6966851
nothing wrong with flat colours. The linework in OP is actually quite good. Shapes are appealing. Topic is to your taste. pyw and people can review it

>>6967041
is that all you did to get to that level? i'm mirin

>>6966771
Being mildly stoned helped me draw my first gesture landmarks and now I do it also when drawing sober
I smoke like omce a week though and I'm not a teenage shitter so it won't permanently fuck my brain

>>6966675
Made some changes to the comp and face, I think this looks better now

How are my proportions?

>>6967104
GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT. GET OUT.

>>6966943
Block out simple forms using lighter and darker values

>>6965849
Will do next time!
>>6965874
Thanks! I'll keep practicing!

>>6966497
>>6966573
Ur right :(
But I brought her shoulder down some anyway

cool colors
>6966675

>>6967107
Tried adding some foreshortening.

>>6966675

I saw this on Kaycem stream. Are you the guy or pretending to be the guy. Kaycem already gave a good advice on how to fix the background perspective.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1993108118?t=3h48m46s

>>6967108

probably a fake. I think. there's no way the artist would post here.

this is the artist : https://www.instagram.com/subuart_/

>>6967159
I am the guy, I already followed his advice and asked others, people are now just telling me to push the comp and not the perspective

i know the face is so off but i cant fix it for the life of me :( i keep redrawing it

>>6967160
That’s them for real, they’re in almost all the chan discords it just literally doesn’t matter if you post on 4chan

>>6967167
loos really good. try overlaying the drawings on each other to see what’s off.

>>6967170
do you know what way i can do that?

>>6967171
do you have a simple photo/drawing program like paint.net or something? or use photopea.com (free browser photoshop dupe). upload the original image, then your image, stack your drawing on top of the original and line them up as best as you can. then mess around with the opacity (sliding it back and forth) and you can point out the differences.

>>6967104
Her tail is barely noticeable somehow. Took a while to notice it. Also the diamond/scale pattern on her tail really flattens it out. She doesn’t really look like she fits in/is grounded in the scene. Almost like she’s copy pasted onto the background from a different piece. Ditto for the bike. I’d add some ambient occlusion around her hand where it’s resting on the square metal thing on the motorcycle seat so it doesn’t look like it’s floating or photoshopped in. The metal part where her foot is resting looks like it would probably be covered by the same shadow that’s cutting across the front wheel, so it might not be as shiny as you’ve got it here. Compared to the other shadows in the background, the shadow on the front wheel looks rather unnatural btw.
There are way less weird areas where you’ve accidentally flattened the form in this one compared to the tan archer lady and the character sheet with the girl that had the bunny costume. You’re improoving, anon! Good job. Very appealing, good gesture, this is a proper work of art. You should be proud.
>>6967137
The shadows on the ground here keeps her and the bike from feeling like they’re floating. Good improvement.
>>6967108
Just in case you’re serious, this is the /beg/ and /int/ thread. Besides, even if he were /pro/, all are welcome here. Everybody can learn and contribute.

>>6967104
Oh and her hat should probably make some kind of shadow on her head

>>6967160
>>6967159
nigga posts here and instantly gets people searching the internet to find him kek

>>6967160
nah he posts in /ic/ pretty often

I am so fucking bad at faces, Ive made it my monthly project to focus on faces so heres hoping I get better!

>>6967189
FINISH THOSE TITS SOLDIER. THIS IS AN ORDER.

>>6966573
what is the next book on your plate?

>>6964405

>>6967162

Aight cool. Didn't you post here. I mean you're pretty much pro level.

>>6966573
the average SAI user, everyone

>>6966976
No, don’t stop. I like to see them. Your progress makes me happy.
>>6966746
>>6966573
YES PAWELL DRAW A LEWD PINUP
>>6966215
I stopped for over 2 years. Started again in August. I’d probably be pretty good by now lol. Anyway, it’s good to train observation and accuracy to get back in the swing of things. Eviston or Proko have good courses on that. Welcome back, king.
>>6966193
Hm. I kinda like her reaching out better.
>>6966138
Find a book with hand drawings and copy them.
>>6965954
Based master study, anon. GMI as fuck
>>6965949
Cute!
>>6965911
Did the screeching girl’s hand fall off?
>>6965827
Ambitious. Symmetry is incredibly hard. GMI
>>6965752
Oh, good job. Immediately recognized it.
>>6965695
Superb. Really good job, anon, that’s an excellent study.
>>6965488
Yep, a little better. I recommend, a veg book or course like Betty Edwards, KtD, proko or Eviston
>>6965457
Amelia? Cool plane, looking forward to seeing this when you finish it.
>>6965251
The boxes for the ribs look a bit out of perspective with the figures. You also don’t have the boxes taking up the entire space of the rib cage. I’d try extending them up to the top of the 7th cervical vertebra.
>>6965250
Construction is a major fundie, but it’s not the only one. Observation and accuracy (drawing what you see and not what you think you see) another big one. And values/understanding light. There are many fundies.
>>6964884
:) good for you, fren. I’m glad I could help some.
>>6964946
Yep, as long as you study the entire book, it’s fine.
>>6965175
That’s pretty fucking good, anon.
>>6965195
nice as always, anon. These are fun to look at
>>6966234
Impressive!
>>6966253
Yeah, your work is definitely paying off
>>6966450
Yep
>>6966464
I too draw in bed
>>6966491
This is amazing for your first ever!
>>6966497
These are beautiful. The one with antennae should have the hem of her shirt match the tilt/ perspective of her rib cage. Otherwise 10/10 borderline /pro/
>>6967189
Me 2

>>6966873
SOUVL

>>6967214
he is pretty much autismo level. Every tiny bit is meticulously put but lighting is inconsistent, perspective is wobbly and everything looks like pasted cutouts. beautiful but incoherent

Newfag here, trying to learn to use photoshop. Is there any way to create custom interface size? I know gimp can.

I can't. What the actual niggerfuck fuckitty fucknut shit.

How come I just dreamt how to draw with a fineliner a perfectly accurate pro level drawing o f fucking spiderman with chiseled abs and a 6pack sitting in his pose, when I never play the games, never watched one of the movies in 10 fucking years, but maybe saw 1-2 images on twitter earlier this year and that's fucking it.


HOW THE FUCKING FUCK DOES MY FUCKING STUPID RETARD AUTIST BRAIN SAVE THIS AND IS ABLE TO PERFECTLY DRAW THIS IN PEN AND INK IN MY DREAM BUT WHEN I AWAKE I END UP WITH DRAWING SPONDERMON WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCKKK

>>6962700
Finished.
God, inking is a bitch, I love it

>>6966435
It doesn't. Draw what you want

>>6967327 the pose looked something like this just in ink and naked

there has to be away to access this part of my brain while I'm awake

>>6966873
how do i color

I wonder, does anybody know if the shadows are correctly done? I'm not using any references so I can't tell

>>6967405
uploaded a little early oopsie

>>6967414
>>6967414
>>6967414

new thread

>>6967422
>>6967422>>6967422
>>6967422

>>6967409
it's possible to construct it like you did for the rest of main objects.
yours looks at least a little off, the two closest shadow edges to the camera don't seem to go towards the same light.

>>6966873
she should be my wife not his

>>6967189
Do you just skip gesture?

>>6967589
yes