/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

red Pill me on tom fox

some figures
practicing inking while testing different pens

I’m still not drawing so I won’t have anything for this thread, either.

>>6961601
hentai slop

>>6961606

You were given the ability to create life out of graphite, manipulate light with surgical precision and evoke the full spectrum of human feelings with the theatre of your lines. And yet you give up your power? Your weakness disgusts me.

>>6961619
nigga i just got here

I did some figure drawing with a 5 minute limit on each one. took a break with realistic in the middle with some anime ones.

Should I be reviewing the anatomy fails/ completing these? does the time limit really make sense? I wasn't really doing gesture drawing (I can't really wrap my head around it yet), just testing my limits and trying to get more confident with lines. any redlines are appreciated if you feel like it

>>6961585
>That INT
Artist is eu03 and he is a working artist who has attended comiket several times.

>>6961625
apparently copying something semi-well makes you /int/

Another day, another failed study. Loomis isn't working for me.

I want to die

>>6961634
How about we keep copying until we actually are gud

>>6961634
>>6961636
What? That sketch is from his Twitter.

>>6961637
then why put it in the OP?

>>6961635
>Loomis isn't working for me
you're not gonna master a head drawing method in a week
>I want to die
I see some of your stuff here and on DAD and how you talk about your art, and idk if you're just doing it for attention, are being hyperbolic, or are truly this negative towards your own art, but if the latter I would hope you can find a way to fix that or at the very least push through it.

>>6961641
Because nothing in the previous thread was good enough.

>>6961641
obviously op wasn't aware anon was posting not his work

I practiced some gesture and beans earlier today before I did this figure drawing session. This is the result. There's technically more behind the page but I don't feel like showing 2 pictures.

The top figures were 2 minutes each, the bottom was 5 minutes. I really feel like for 5 minutes it's a pretty bad result, but maybe I'm comparing myself to others too much.

What do you guys think?

>>6961313
>learn what the lines are supposed to mean
Huh?

>>6961601
now draw her cheating on me

>>6961694
>stop fapping, gotta draw
>'eh, ill check out ic real quick before drawing"
>see coom
>see another comment mention getting cucked by hot animu girl
>returns to fapping
for fucks sake im never gonna improve at this rate

Anyone know any good videos or books that focus on head construction using boxes? I want to get a better understanding of how to correctly position the head and face since I struggle to visualise the head in 3D when drawing, as well as get better general head construction.

I will force myself to sketch and block colors more, hopefully this will help with my shapes and colors. What can I do better in this one? I think the light source doesn't match the shadow blocks.

>>6961713
Bridgman does some kind of box, steve huston teaches box logic LTL, and akihito yoshitomi did a demo that looks pretty close to what Huston does in his livestreams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjwHTmrcbY0

Going out for a walk and drawing right after that. Watch me.

>>6961733
>watch me
livestream the whole thing and I will

>>6961713
there nothing really to book about. with box you define orientation and center line. you need to be able to draw a box. proportions and head structure is independent of construction method.

I just wanted to paint some breast feeding. I've been on and off this for two weeks now.

>>6961741
Autism

>>6961744
The extreme kind. Just imagine how much better world we would live in if he directed all this energy towards something good.

Sometimes, life leaves you with no choice but bing bing wahoo

>>6961789
"One must imagine Mario happy" - Camus, probably

>>6961741

You can find A LOT of video ref on youtube

>>6961823
cursed but based

>>6961601
>>6961694
seconding, really like your style. Do do at least 1 NTR doodle please

>>6961823
>>6961835
Do NOT help him!!!!!!!!

Posting this one more time coz new thread..

Would any kind anon be able to redline a better placed skirt here? I want the pantsu to be slightly visible from the 'stretching' of the fabric but my attempt is a symbol draw

>>6961861
where are your boxes

I've drawn today, it feels so cathartic

>>6961585
>made it into the op
Nice.

>>6961877
Oh shit, me too and I didn't even notice.

Lol I should kms

>>6961861
learn how to search for references, dancing competitions usually have loose skirts and tons of high kicks.

https://youtu.be/JvTkOylIV-A?si=umHTbmQ_ZMyFD7r8&t=40

@0:40 you can see something kind of similar jst copy the flow.

Fuck you.

>>6961890
Male peach? Not bad tb h

>>6961659
>>6959453
>Because nothing in the previous thread was good enough.

>Trying faces
>Draw eye the tiniest thing to the right
>Face looks deformed
Fucking bullshit.

>>6961955
>>Draw eye the tiniest thing to the right
>>Face looks deformed
then just make the minor adjustment

How to paint in greyscale?

>>6961919
the fucks going on with that hand?

How do I fix the posture and rendering

>>6961967
wear duh ref @?

>>6961919
the right elbow got lost somewhere.

>>6961861
I don't think you'll be able to see the panties from this angle
anyway here is my interpretation of the skirt

>>6961966
Which one, her left or right? I'm just experimenting with the volumes to see what works, if you want to see my pathetic attempts at finished hands, I can post that too of course.

If you're referring to how the right hand isn't resting on the leg, I was focusing so much on the torso that I made her legs too short; the floating hand is the result of re-adjusting her legs to be longer.[

Completely failed and disastrous study attached; not every day of practice is filled with joy and ecstasy

>>6961974
>If you're referring to how the right hand isn't resting on the leg
im referring to how the right hand isnt even recognizable as a hand. it looks closer to a foot. im sure you probably werent trying very hard and could probably do better, but i was just curious if you had a stroke or something while drawing it.

>>6961973
>That fat and heavy sag that drags the fabric down
I fucking kneel.

I hate trying to draw someone and I turn them ugly :(

>>6962005
Ref

>>6962007
The model waa ugly feom the start bruh.

While I was drawing I thought of recording by /beg/ness and to turn it into a gif
What does /ic/ think?

>>6962023
Low effort loop. Try making 50 failed attempts each one getting slightly better before nosediving.

>>6962023
too much empty space

>>6962012
Was going to say this

Cum possible. lewd version

>>6958195

>>6962007

>>6962055
Woah. Got a blog?

I drew this for a guy that commissions me semi regularly as a freebi gift. But i'm getting this weird feeling that he thinks it was a drawing he commissioned and I was just delivering it. I can't decide if I should say something lol, I feel a little awkward.

>>6962087
"Hey man, thanks for paying for my drawings so often. I really appreciate knowing I am good enough to sell my art and I want to give you this freebie"
Are you autistic?

>>6961694
>>6961700
>>6961839
>literal cuck fetish
No wonder you guys stay permabegs. Disgusting

>>6962087
He is not gonna fuck you dude

>>6961919
>foot is more detailed than the neck and head

Foot fat spotted.

>>6961967
Look up references. Ballet dancer posing would be a good one. I love using athletes and dancers as references. They trained their bodies to be in the zone and one with their body's motions.

>>6962065
20Shua on twitter, thanks :)

>>6962092
its not the original way the conversation went. He offered me to draw a commission for him, and I just drew it for free then gave it to him a week later. The thing is this guy commissions regularly and sometimes forgets he even gave money to people to draw him something, so its in the realm of possibility.

>"Hey man, thanks for paying for my drawings so often. I really appreciate knowing I am good enough to sell my art and I want to give you this"

If you don't add "freebie" to the end of this statement it still sounds perfectly reasonable but can fall into the trap I did. You are using hindsight to speak in an unnatural way to fix a problem that I didn't know could come up.

>>6961689
not him, and I shouldn't be giving lessons to anyone, but...

he was probably referring to some lines in the drawing being more what you think an anime girl with that expression looks like and less an artistic choice in order to represent that expression.

>>6962121
>btw I only do freebies for loyal customers like you

redline/crit regarding anatomy & pose appreciated

>>6961966
>>6962109
Anything that can keep my lazy ass drawing is a great boon

I’m trying to do a mix of realistic and artistic eye studies, any tips/artist ideas?

>>6962187
You'll probably have more luck if you actually look at your reference while drawing.

>>6962187
notice how straight the inside of the ring finger is and how much space lies between it and the pinky. also based anti-coomerism.

congrats to the winner

>>6962187
pretty bad redline bc im a /beg/ myself but i think you just generally need to pay more attention to what's going on in the images you reference. it looks like you just look at the pic to get a general idea of the pose and then wing it instead of regularly looking at it and paying attention to what you're doing. maybe try using refs for simpler shapes like a still life or something before you build up to the human body, so you develop an understanding of how to use references at all

Why does it look so wonky what should I fix I really hate it so much

Tried painting from imagination

How bad is my anatomy?
No reference

>>6961585
Here's a friendly discord that welcomes people of any levels. We have a small handful of channels and are mainly a community focused


https://discord.com/invite/MrVp2T5jmc

>>6961694
>>6961839

>>6962284
torso is alright, lower part of the body, especially the lower legs are too short, keep in mind that the legs are half the height of the body, but you are going the right way

Hello beg. LOOMIS.

>>6962284
better than mine
>>6962260
i dont see anything wrong, you probably just have that self hating artist syndrome. now draw rest of the owl
>>6962087
>>6961601
i kneel and coom
>>6962005
multiple accuracy errors. the biggest one: sight measure how far is her left and right eye from the respective edges of her face
>>6961789
>>6961635
eyes are too far apart, in 3/4 view the eyes must be closer to each other cause foreshortening
>>6961741
booba
>>6961682
>>6961623
stop looking at clock while you draw. you should be thinking about the drawing, not the clock. the best results are always when you get lost in your canvas and when you finally snap out of it its 4clock past midnight and you accidentally made your bestest work yet
>>6961600
i have never seen a single anon trash talking his book

>>6962301
Me as the ngmi bf
Arigato anon

paiting digital is kinda hard, how can I make the skin look more natural?

>>6962260
The main issues I saw were the lower lip having an odd extra bump in the center, the serious tilt that the eyes had compared to the rest of the head, in the eyes, and the nose wings were extremely boxy. While the eye lids are much thicker than people give them credit for, it's generally unappealing to showcase it in a line drawing. At least I thought that was the underside of the eyelids I removed.

>>6962303
>stop looking at clock while you draw. you should be thinking about the drawing, not the clock. the best results are always when you get lost in your canvas and when you finally snap out of it its 4clock past midnight and you accidentally made your bestest work yet
But they're timed figure drawings. Good advice for nontimed art though. Unless you mean this even during timed drawings.

>>6961890
Strong hokuto no peach vibes, I like it.

>draw something on right side of canvas
>try to do it again to the left
>hand obscures the original
how do i defeat this boss

Sometimes I see a post asking about a topic I could easily give advice on. But their style is so unappealing or their subject matter so undesirable that I feel it would be a moral failing for me to give them that advice.

Fuck

>>6962416
Ref

>>6962404
>I feel it would be a moral failing for me to give them that advice
no you don't

>>6962425
It would be against my own moral code to do things that I think will make myself, and possibly others, unhappy now or in the future. In return for making one person happy with a critique I'm subjecting myself not only to the displeasure of looking at their art for longer but possibly others to seeing their art in the future should they feel encouraged and continue posting.
it's pretty simple

>>6962429
>subjecting myself to the displeasure
maybe grow a pair

i wish i could just drooooooooow

>>6962451
I can sympathize with you, but if you are already doing the things you need to do to meet your artistic goals there's no point in dwelling on the fact that you aren't there yet. it's just torture porn and makes the whole process less enjoyable/not enjoyable at all. you just gotta keep putting one foot in front of the other.

>>6962196
Didn’t mean ‘nuthin by it (assuming you were bothered by what I wrote and replied on account of that, as opposed to having a genuine interest in seeing my art get better); I shitpost here a lot to keep the thread from getting too boring. Sorry if anything about that image offended you.

>>6962209
>>6962254
This is often how I draw; I think the only time I ever slow down is on 1:1 copies (or rendering); I’ll keep that in mind the next time; my spastic way of drawing stems from the schizophrenia no doubt

This many (you)’s is surely a testament that adding some random nonsense to an image generates that much more activity in the thread, so why not? It’s just some disposable shit drawing that will be buried under all the other threads after a few days - who will even remember it 10 years from now? Mileage is the key.

Anyways, here’s a Loomis head rendered from imagination (the line art was a copy, but the rendering was imagination)

>>6962461
My first value study ever from January 13th of this year

Tear it apart, just be specific

>>6962469
I might be able to redline you later, I’m busy right now. I’ll try to be constructive though.

First issue is your linework itself is not super appealing. There’s little variance to it. Imo I would lower your stabilizer but if you like a more Western cartoon look feel free to keep it up high. I’d just add some thicker blacks. Second is the anatomy, there are a lot of problems. The legs feel like they have no structure and just kind “hang” limp and flatly. They need to feel like 3d structures that could actually support her weight. Her head connects strangely to her neck, it’s like she’s got no “under chin.” Which is common with anime styles but they normally make the neck much thinner to compensate. Yours just looks like her head is on wrong. I would also say she does not have a very feminine face. I am really just assuming this is a woman because she has tits. Nothing about the face is giving “girl” though. Big nose, sharp chin, strong brows all give masculine. Which, I guess that’s fine if she’s just intended to look that way. Her hands are very big and masculine too. Her clothes are also very “drawn over.” They don’t have any weight or dimension. Just looks like you coloured her pink in some places. Revisiting fundamentals can help most of these.

>>6962476
Thank you. Yeah, I figured something was off. I appreciate the critique, fren

>>6962469
>>6962476
sorry, but this is a beginner-level critique. Practice more before you try to give other people advice.

>>6961601
did you use Try as the main model for your art? did you just copy a bunch of his doujins until you learned to do his bodies from memory?

I'm thinking about using Key when I try to learn bodies but I'm worried they might not be attractive to look at visually

>>6962485
What would you say anon? This is my work.

>>6962488
FIne fucking pair of tits that anime lass has.
>>6962491
I like your brush.

Day 5 of focusing on faces, still feels like barely any progress is being made
I suppose in times like these there's nothing that can be done other than just grinding them out over and over until I get it down

I just wish the ones I do from memory didn't turn out so...weird/bad, there's no emotion in what i did compared to the originals

Why do so many books and tutorials for beginners assume you already have a grasp of 3PP and feel forms

>>6962493
Thanks anon! I’m still learning to use it, but it’s getting easier.
>>6962497
It’s only day 5 anon, don’t beat yourself up yet! These head angles honestly seem very difficult to learn. Have you thought about starting somewhere easier?

Wow the new sticky is somehow worse than the old one
Impressive

hey guys, whats a good course on rendering and colouring?

Day 29 of learning the basics n whatnot. just a lil bit of hair practice and a lil bit of torso practice WITH ARMS this time. movin up in the world

>>6962469
My biggest thing for you is proportions. A lot of beginners draw heads too large. Study photos of people and observe how large the head is relative to the chest, how large the chest is relative to the legs. Just doing this will cause a huge leap forward for your art.

I altered the head slightly, don't forget the brain!

I believe in you anon!!!

>>6962469
reminds me of a trans samurai jack

I started drawing in earnest like a couple of weeks ago. I bougth a sketchbook and i've been drawing on it every day, and it's fun. But my brain is small. Like, i get that i should to specfic practice and whatnot but that's just not very fun. I'm just finding random references like a specific frame of an anime i watched that i thought was cool, or some random art i found online and trying to copy it. If i don't know how to draw something specifically, i look for a tutorial on youtube. Is this ok? I understand that this could perhaps lead to solidifying bad habits. But then again maybe i'm overthinking it

>>6962542
The easiest way to improve I think, well, maybe easy isn’t the right word, but do still lifes. Just take a couple items, light them dramatically if possible, and draw what you see. If you get bored, go outside and draw something you see.

When you get more bored or want to work on something specific, do a study of it. There’s a lot that goes into studying if you’re doing to very seriously, so perhaps some YouTube will help you there.

>>6962525
Thanks! That looks awesome. Doing a new piece with this input in mind

>>6962531
It’s literally Jack’s face. I stole it.

>>6962485
Funny thing is, I did life drawing for years only to learn that I hated doing it for money. This is me returning to it after a long-ass time and switching to digital. Something about digital art makes it harder to think. It’s fucking weird

Which of the several dozen body construction methods is actually best?

Never give up.

Verification not required.

>>6962572
Needs more boxes

>>6962572
yikes

>>6962373
anon, choose colors that don't look like she's dying of fluid loss, turn up the saturation or ad pinks in there, also please PLEASE fix that arm. the more I look at it the more painful it is

>>6961902
thanks anon, this is out of my 'headspace' so I never considered looking at dancing videos for something like that

>>6961973
thanks for the redline anon with the pleats! this helps a lot I will use something similar

>>6962193
something like this maybe

>>6961689
I'm probably not the best example, but the shapes are simplifications of things usually
if you understand the shapes a bit more you'll understand where to put them and why they're there.

Ugh, after a year and a half I still feel like I can only just copy reference models (poorly). I'm just missing something but I dont know what it is so I cant actually work on it. very frustrating

>>6962625
The top of the pelvis (peak of iliac crest) and the bottom corners of the ribs (lowest point of 10th rib) are only about two inches apart in a neutral position.

The rib cage is taller than the pelvis

>>6962572

draw her

>>6962637
that's a man

>>6962637
How dare you even show me that image

Just woke up so I want to know what /ic/ thinks about the way I draw faces

>>6962637
Her face looks like a mask

Ink fag for half a month ago. I think is 90% ready to ship and do another piece

>>6961919
how is that foot so much better than the rest? most people struggle with feet, even industry professionals lmao

>>6962301
>>6962307
>me as ngmibf because of my crab gf

thanks anon, saved

no more void mannequins, i will draw them grounded in perspective, grounded and based

Finished Morpho; back to Hampton then back to Bridgman.
>>6960736
Thank you! I’m glad you think so!
>>6959855
:) no problem, fren
>>6959937
>blog
Never been asked, I’m flattered. I only post on /ic/ tho
>>6960444
Thank you. I think there is no one construction method. No rules, only tools. Just use whatever bits of conceptualization work best for you for that character/model in that pose at that time. It’s not a “do I use Tom fox or Vilppu or Hampton or Morpho or spheres or boxes” type thing. Learn ‘em all and use what makes sense to you. Some drawings, a rib cage makes better sense as a box. Some drawings it’s better as an egg. Morpho is good to bridge the gap between the final anatomy and the simple mannequin/gesture. It’s a good base on which to add anatomical detail or clothing.
>>6961601
What’s your end goal?
>>6961623
I recommend you check out the Love Life Drawing YouTube channel and/or Vilppu. I’d move on from these and try to just focus on getting more mileage. I wouldn’t worry about a timer.
>>6961682
Good! Do more! Pay a little attention to proportion, but you’ve got a good feel for gesture imo. For now, don’t bother with rendering or anatomy until you’ve either studied how light and shadow and edges work and have basic anatomy knowledge AND/OR save the more developed drawing for when you’re practicing accuracy and observational drawing. (With observational stuff I’d probably start with still life before figures)
>>6961789
>>6961820
Kek, I love this
>>6961836
Nicely done! Those are some good-ass hands, too.
>>6961919
Betty Edwards or Keys to Drawing or Proko or Eviston’s beg course will help you. Step zero is learning how to draw what you see and not what you think you see.
>>6962023
Kek
>>6962177
Study Morpho armpits
>>6962238
Love this
>>6962284
Proportion’s slightly off. Pecs might insert slightly higher on upper arm, closer to the armpits. Missing genitals. Overall great for no ref!
>>6962266
That’s impressive.

How do you paint? How do you not vomit onto a canvas and create this pos when trying to paint? I need a teacher.

the evil side of Jesus Christ

>>6962637

>>6962303
You're legit getting better Pawell
Don't let the crabs get to you

Morpho is overrated

>>6962741
>Nicely done! Those are some good-ass hands, too.
Thank you Morpho chad.

>>6962596
>>6961902
>>6961973
>>6961392
thanks for that anons, had a go and like it much better then the pure symbol draw I had originally in >>6961861

>>6962491
>>6962506
Give me your brush. Give it to me.

mfw when I got a (you) but it's the massreply fag who compliments every low/beg/

tried to incorporate more hard edges as per anon's suggestion. Did most of the piece with hard round brush with opacity jitter but not size jitter

>>6962744
I look at your picture and I immediately know that your issue is just time. It simply is unfinished. Just use your eye, look at your reference more, and keep working on the painting.

>>6962769
really dig this

>>6962635
S0VL. saved to my computer

>>6962622
Perfection.


>>6962621
I remember you, youre getting better. why you left the neck like that, i have no idea tho.


>>6962560
absolutely based.

>>6962491
S0VOL

>>6962416
youre gitting good. im afraid, i gotta start working harder

>>6962491
Adorable.

>>6962916
I will suggest you using different brushes to make the piece look "less" digital. Round brush has no texture at all and make the painting look too artificial.

aside from that it looks good

>>6962937
Thanks! Yeah I guess the neck looks too unfinished compared to the rest

sidescroller

>>6962416
I'm with you, buddy. And you're doing better than me

if you aren't using reference, should you always construct your shit?

>>6962959

>>6962960
>should
there are no shoulds, merely preference and/or utility

>>6962963
I'm just trying to learn to draw stuff without copying the reference too closely but it keeps looking like shit when I don't use a reference

>>6962964
depending on what you draw, it will realistically take a fair bit of time before you build a solid memory/understanding to use in imaginative works. if you want your stuff to look better, and your stuff looks better with construction than without, then do that. if you want to work on your imaginative abilities without using construction, practice it. and of course continue building an understanding of that subject.

>>6962971
yeah but I need to differentiate from the reference more. my comfort zone is just copying something 1:1 but that's not what I want to do, I wanna make it into its own thing. Pic related is an example. I ended up making it too much of a copy that isn't that much different from the original

I guess I'm bringing it up cause I'm not sure how I should be drawing. Should I stop using reference if it ends up like this where it's close to a clone of the original? but if I construct stuff and it doesn't turn out great should I fall back onto referencing? What should I do here? That's the kind of questions I'm facing right now

>>6962978
try to 'finish' the picture, give her the rest of her body, or change the clothes etc

>>6962769
great

daily reminder that doing studies is not drawing

man i fucking hate drawing hair

>>6962488
>did you use Try as the main model
yes! I'm glad this is noticeable. And yes, I copied his work a lot until I could replicate his proportions
now I can make some figures from my imagination or using some ref for the gesture like pic rel and applying the body type that Try uses

>>6962741
>What’s your end goal?
idk, I just like to draw cute and sexy girls
maybe be able to do some comics pages to shitpost in /vg/ threads

>>6963196
anon... this picture could have been perfect if you did the drawing on the paper with the reilly method

>>6963095
daily reminder that practicing free throws isn't playing basketball

Alright so I was on a semi-hiatus for a week, due to burn out/SAD etc.

I wanna start drawing more tomorrow, though I had been doing very simple 30 minute exercises for the past week (only 30 minutes a day).

I was doing the Burne Hogarth figure drawing book and drawing references with the drawings in that, but I stopped and now I Am not 100% what to do.

I am thinking of redoing a bird study I did in mid September to see how much I've improved, but I also just wanna try drawing fan art stuff and perhaps do more from life studies.

Anyone have any idea what I should do next? I have been only drawing daily (mostly) since late September, still very early on but have made great progress, just dunno what the next step should be.

Should I try drawing from life? Like a full body shot of a person? Should I try that? I was able to eventually get the hang of drawing this person's eyes at this angle from reference (somewhat some detail is missing) but I still struggle with good replication sometimes.

>>6963215
Try drawing for an hour straight everyday for like 3 days, it adds up

Had so much fun recreating this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eip2BnNQsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxnU-I5cvmM

:/

>>6963262
Ref

What do you guys think ? I took me 2 days

>>6963230
I'll try that, but will try to draw some eyes again before I do other things to warm up to studying from reference.

>>6962951
/pro/
gtfo dude, begs are going to off themselves thinking this is int

>>6962951
I'm a ngmi prebeg contemplating suicide and this is the last image I have ever seen. Gootbye.

>>6962303
Wow these are pure nightmare fuel. You should really stop, like forever.

>And above all, you let life defeat you. All the gifts your parents gave you, all the love and patience of your friends, you drowned in a neurotoxin. You let misery win. And it will keep on winning till you die -- or overcome it.

>>6962303
Are figures in black final versions? They look pretty decent.

Cross-hatching practice

Was meaning to draw this weekend but hadnt. Its sunday afternoon and i could do it a wee bit but i dont think theres much point.
I have not drawn since few months now and even then i wasnt very active.
Ill probably never get good or actually integrate drawing into my routine

>>6963393
ok

I wanted to draw and I havem't drawn in a very very long time....
That time is about 15 minutes ago hahahaha had you going pity party faggot woe is me oooohhh how do I draw kmeeee baby no want take pencil but write blog instead hahahaha faggot
Go draw and fuck howies, fuck crabs, peace haha

>>6963386
Nah, I think those are the observational copies of the original and then the red and blue are using construction and then trying to use construction from memory.

>>6963390
its all over the place and doesnt follow the form, start with something smaller, cross-hatch a single cylinder.

>>6963398
>>6963395
Sorry for being retarded.

>>6963408
We good man, no problems

extreme beg here
how do I transition from just attempting to draw breasts into something more
I know what my problem is - I feel that I can make them look appealing, whereas if I draw a face it looks extremely off balance and wrong immediately so I just give up

if I grind perspective, does it ever get natural?
I think too much doing that shit

im losing my mind

>be kinda optimistic about my art progress
>decide to have some quick copying practice from photo refs
>proportions are all off
>still cannot place eyes properly
Come on...

Are these beans okay? I can't quite tell. Couldn't find many twists.

>>6963436
Yeah, it becomes second nature after awhile and you'll be able to eyeball it to "looks good enough" level. Don't just grind boxes or whatever though, apply the concepts systematically to your drawings.

>Search for reference on Pornhub
>the reference is apparently illegal

I need to grind gesture and anatomy until I defeat the European Union

>>6963455
same but for anime and cartoony styles. At least with photos I vaguely understand I'm not good enough but getting humbled by webtoons for children after you went "I've been drawing for years, surely I should be able to do THAT" is soul-crushing

Any critiques? I'm aware that the Rembrandt lighting is incorrect; I initially had the light source positioned elsewhere.

Is this kinda how I should be thinking in 3D? I know some perspective things are fucked but this is this kinda how I should do it?

I never considered the 3d form before much, only drew what I've seen but I feel like I should master this to shade well.

>>6963605

At what point can I say i'm NGMI when it comes to faces?
I've been grinding them for 6 days now with no noticeable improvement

>>6963592
i'd say the right leg looks weird and you should consider ambient occlusion in your shadows where forms touch the ground or one another

>>6963627
>6 days
Nigga, the brain has evolved to instantly recognize faces that are off, it takes months of practice, if not years to consistently get it right. Face and figure drawing are the ultimate test of all your drawing skills you're not going to grind for a week and nail it.

Anime/stylized art is a disgrace to the work of the old masters, such as Da Vinci, Caravaggio, Michelangelo, Cabanel, and more.

Anything other than realism is a spit in the face.

>>6963627
draw more faces

don't care
still drawing big titty anime girls

Sup beg, loomis! Notice the dislocated shoulder.

>>6963627
>expecting to master the hardest subject to draw on which your brain evolved to pick up even the slightest change in order to instantly recognize the mood of other people in mere 6 days
try more like 6 months minimum
>>6963605
yes, you want to be feeling the form like you did. thats what all the art books said, the only topic they all agreed with
>>6963592
perspective is wrong, there isnt a single casted shade, there are no hard edges in core shadows, the line confidence is very beg, the face violates basic 3/4 view foreshortening rules, the figure is stiff, composition is boring.

I suggest isolating parts of your drawing process (like figures or perspective) and focusing just on that 1 thing for a while instead of trying to do full rendered scenes so you get more mileage and spend less time polishing turds.
>>6963553
coom
>>6963436
yes
>>6963423
think less, draw more, push through the pain!
>>6963390
while there are no hard rules in crosshatching, there is unspoken rule that if your marks are straight it implies the surface is flat (not curved). So when you are hatching rounded surface try to bend the hatches
>>6963386
no lol, they are traced. i am experimenting if tracing as part of practice does anything. and i think it doesnt but i have seen some practice regiments which involved tracing so idk. Blues are constructed from ref, reds are constructed without ref
>>6963266
i think you need keys to drawing
>>6963215
think less, draw more. picking up art book cannot hurt your progress, only improve
>>6962960
well if you are good you can start with final outline, let us know how well it went
>>6962951
nice rough painting
>>6962916
you just know + i kneel
>>6962744
have you tried one of the 999 courses or books? ctrlpaint or Gurney Color and Light
>>6962700
nice booba
>>6962649
it is weird mix of cartoon and prebeg art
>>6963655
impressionists want to know your location

>>6963658
Based Pawell comes to save the day, blowing the fuck out of crabs, nodraws and other losers

samefag

>>6961645
tried to sketch this but it turned into greta thunberg at some point.

>>6963666
How dare you

>>6963658
please drop fwap it's giving you art dementia

>>6963592
Not sure if this will help but I tried to recreate the pose

>>6963655
>Da Vinci, Caravaggio, Michelangelo, Cabanel
None of these were realists though.

>>6963666
greta?

It’s just a basic study but I’m enjoying it a lot, top is traces to analyze, bottom is free hand. I don’t study much, so I don’t know if I’m doing much but it’s fun.

>>6963666
>greta’s fw I release a noxious cloud of methane in her vicinity

>>6963631
>>6963658
>>6963670
Thank you, I guess it's time for me to tackle some figure drawing books.

>>6963691
They were.

>>6963739
What the fuck are you talking about? Realism didn't even exist in Da Vinci, Caravaggio or Michelangelo's time. All of them painted mythological subjects and shit. Michelangelo was making figures 13 heads tall. How were any of them in ANY WAY related to realism?

>>6962469
>>6962476
>>6962525
Hope this is better.

>>6962469
>>6962476
>>6962525
>>6963769
Fuck, I meant this

>>6963773
I’m aware that the hand is huge

>>6963212
damn right its not
hitting the heavybag is not boxing

morpho my beloved

Sunday night sketch that I started working on

>>6963605
cute, just apply the same concept to loomis heads in fwap and you are ready to go
>>6963795
nice, I recognize this from the simplified forms book

Deema from Pocoyo

>>6962525
cartoon heads are enormous, some character's head can be the same size as the rest of the body.

>>6963212
Yeah it's not. You're not exercising your brains ability to dodge the enemy, work with teammates, execute a plan, catch a thrown ball that's sent the wrong way, quick planning and execution on your feet, adapting plans when mistakes happen.

One of the greatest artists in DC comic history told me to finish every fucking drawing. Finish every sketch. Fill every page. You are training your brain to make half finished work. If you're studying anatomy but nothing else, you are not learning perspective, lighting, how to draw furniture, trees, grass, cars, buildings. You won't master making mannequins and suddenly master making a finished piece of art.

>WHY CANT YOU GRASP ITS A CRAB TRICK TO MAKE YOU NOT IMPROVE AND BURN OUT

>>6963765
You are a retard, Michelangelo could memory paint the pope and put him among the people of hell because the pay wasn’t good and kept bothering with the commissions

>>6963797
hot nice feet、would be more appeal I think if she was looking at the viewer

>>6963810
>>6963817
Why are western cartoons so flat? how does that represents a 3d object?

>>6963822
telling a beginner to "finish" every drawing will not make them any better in any of those areas when they're lacking the basics, you need tons of raw drawing time and experience for advice like that to even start being applicable

>>6963822
Oh it's you again, pyw faggot

>>6963810
>>6963817
why are you obsessed with this ugly flat looking cartoon in particular is she your underage waifu or something

>>6963817
Yes, but that represents a conscious decision. (I hope). If you are not aware of this you are stunting your growth as an artist. A reason western cartoons tend to have large heads is because kids have large heads proportional to their body, so if you draw adults with those proportions it will look strange unless you know what you're doing

trying to do what that anon said and draw different angles but it’s making me suicidal

>>6963853
Adults are still pretty big headed.
>>6963848
Something like that. But my prototypical cartoon character is something like Wayside School or something made by Pat Ventura.

>>6963858
those look good though

not sure how body works
>6963592

>>6963884
fuck her ghost is leaving her body

still got 2 hours to bedtime but i dont feel like drawing again...

>>6963826
thanks bro
I used your suggestion

>>6963898
why afraid of a dark

>>6963776
I think the problem is choosing the style for the character. The face is drawn simple and cartoony, while the rest looks overly detailed in juxtaposition. The problem isn't just the hand size; it's that they look more like a life drawing while the head looks like a 90s cartoon.
There are lots of cartoon characters that use human anatomy as the base for characters, but they have properly simplified parts that don't clash with the design. Bugs Bunny has an obvious human skeleton shaped body, but his limbs, joints, neck, hands and feet are drawn very streamlined with very little detail.
If you're still learning figure drawing, keep doing it, it's important, but also try thinking of ways to make your design more consistent in imagination drawings. Look and copy the methods used by your favourite illustrators. Reference some cartoons or comics that you would like to emulate and pay attention to how they stylize different parts of the character. Think of what you want to show with that character and decide on the design with purpose.

>>6963907
Thank you, anon. I’ll find a way to stylize it cohesively

I got mad people kept calling me beg in the rate thread so I started intentionally flexing and ended up with a bunch of new followers crabbing works I’ll never tell a crab to kys again

>>6963823
That's a complete non sequitur. You don't actually know what realism is do you?

>>6963658
>>6963653
>>6963656
yeah I guess you guys are right
faces are just turning out to be way more difficult than I was prepared for, but it's the big bottleneck i have when creating new stuff so I need to get it at least to an OK level

Please critique this meme sketch.
I still struggle with basics, fuck me.

>>6963952
Yeah faces are a bitch

15 years
still a /beg/
Forever a /beg/

>>6963898
Try doing trad studies, helps a lot just pencil and paper. Or a bic pen too

>>6963975
his is a better likeness, fuckin' brontosaurus ass

>>6963977
That’s not the point here, the values are too muddy.

>>6963981
his values suck, your likeness/accuracy sucks
the two of you should just kiss already

>>6963956
at what point should i stop specifically doing only faces and move onto passive progression via doing actual drawings?

>>6963975
>>6963981

my first time seeing an actual dunning kruger

>>6961533
Meh. Not super accurate but I don’t hate it.
>>6962916
That’s fucking cool
>>6962951
Very nice! Why blur the near foreground but not the background?
>>6962960
First construct from reference, then you use the construction you learned to draw from imagination. Like downloading a 3d model into your head to use it later.
>>6963124
Me too buddy
>>6963198
Understandable. I actually decided to draw this because of your post lol.
>>6963215
If you’re feeling aimless, I’d pick a course you like and go through it. Like Dynamic Sketching or CTRL Paint or Vilppu’s Renaissance Figure Drawing course or whatever else you think seems cool. And spend some time just drawing whatever you want, purely for the fuck of it. Forget studies for a little bit each day and just draw.
>>6963232
Did you draw that? That looks amazing, anon!
>>6963262
Breddy gud
>>6963266
This is kind of hard to read. What’s going on here? What’s she holding? Also is she not wearing pants/panties? Anyway, I think you’re having fun drawing which is the sign of a true GMI. Pick up a beginner course like Betty Edwards’ book or Proko’s beginner course or eviston’s beg course to level up.
>>6963423
Do a beg course like the above
>>6963436
God I hope so
>>6963501
Yes. Good foreshortening and overlapping forms!
>>6963592
The biggest things are the overall gesture, anatomy, and proportions. I think it’s cool that there’s a story here and you did a full scene. It’s a complete piece of art. That’s something to be proud of, and something most of /ic/ doesn’t do nearly enough of. You just need more focused studies and mileage, is all. GMI.
>>6963605
Yep!
>>6963701
nice studies
>>6963858
Lovely, especially the top
>>6963952
Yeah, heads frighten me
>>6963898
Learn the 2 value system
>>6963967
The only thing really wrong with this is the legs. And subject matter.
>>6963953
Can’t read the third word in her word bubble. Otherwise good.

>>6963898
I used just a preset flat brush at 50% opacity throughout the painting, try doing more trad studies where you break down the values in either light or dark. If you have high contrast from the start you can tone it down as you go but if you keep lightening darks which are already quite close to the light family you end up with lots of rubbing and not much painting.
Darken your darks, lighten your lights. If you are consistently making the same mistake you are not the problem but the process you are following may be faulty/designed to make you fail

>>6963975
How are you supposed to post pencil work? Graphite is so shiny my scanner gets an aneurysm trying to capture it and the camera on my phone is dog shit. Yes I saw other people post pencil work and their contrast is garbage.
>>6963987
You sure? That effect is someone's ability to gauge their own skill being proportional to said skill. This doesn't look like that.

Day 30 of learning the basics n whatnot. LEG day today. they came out pretty bad, but it's whatevs. also since it's my 30th day, i decided to actually try some full FIGURE STUFF, which ended up beating the hell out of me, especially during foreshortening. also i don't really know how to draw the anatomy or hands/feet, so they mostly look like tube people with weird meaty mittens. overall fun day

>>6964009
also looking at the pic again, i botched that dudes chest perspective wise. oh well, it is what it is

>>6964001

you're both at the same level. he/she is not in a position to give ANY advice.

>>6964001
Don’t post it, do some side trad practice along your digital studies. It’s the kind of exercise that takes some take to show results, other resource I found pretty useful was the 3h long Steve Huston lecture on beginning head drawing, you can find it on yt for free. The key is mileage, developing the skill to quickly set up a sketch you can then refine into a painting with ease.
There are anons here who waste hours just on a sketch and if that’s your thing, good for you but if you gotta paint for a client or a personal project it’s a nightmare to get bogged down by just lines.
If your problem is shiny graphite try using a pen, it will teach you line economy too and make you think about each stroke you lay down, you know more mindful work will result in a better growth trajectory

>>6963991
Thank you anonymous, your efforts will not go unnoticed

todays quick gesture drawings, these ones I did without refs (aside from the hands) to see how they would turn out.

Look at this horrible crap I am making.
Everytime I feel like I am making progress I end up with a broken nose from the whiplash of noticing how worthless I still am.

Is there any easier way to find references for poses other than try to describe it to google?

>>6964001
Another exercise and this should be actually more useful to you since you can already paint is to do value breakdowns, use a simple digital pen brush no texture nor fancy brushwork just pure value and try to make a simplification of the main value masses you are observing.
What I mean is that you should try to group all the shadows in one clear shape and all the lights in another complementary shape. One should be the negative space of the other.
Likeness isn’t achieved when we paint the wrong shadow shape and don’t check it against the surrounding light shape enclosing it.
Forget about eyes, noses, eyebrows, hair, lips, anything that has a darker value than your average tone on the canvas is grouped into one simple value.
Then you can add variations later, but this first step is the key because with this mentality you are approaching the whole subject from a painting perspective from the start

>>6963975
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>>6963984
>>6963987
>>6963991
>>6963996
>>6964001
>>6964011
>>6964028
From what I’ve gathered of the replies, and from what I remember doing during this portrait, I have a tendency to keep my block-in in the 45-65 range (0-100 value scale), consequently, my current problem is that I’m keeping the value range TOO constrained at the beginning, which means that I have to continuously “rub” the darker darks and lighter lights in (as one anon described), rather than having established them earlier at the beginning, where it’s also much easier to do so (since the forms are “softer” and more malleable, not as developed yet)

Whereas, in this latest portrait, I was trying to “brute force” the darker shadows / lighter lights in at a much later stage, where that’s significantly harder to do, and also extremely inefficient since all the main forms have already been developed or “hardened” by that stage

Here’s one of my earlier studies from June of this year; I used to be on the other side of the extreme and would block-in literally the exact values that I saw, without developing the forms more slowly, so some of my latest studies have been trying to correct for that error, though it’s resulted in some “overcorrecting,” since my block-ins now look a lot weaker than most of my earlier studies

I’m sure I’ll hit that perfect middle-area soon.

God bless everybody here, and this board!

I owe my life to it.

>>6964028
If you can’t pick the proper values, try doing color picker exercises choose any ref make several squares at random points then try to find the matching color for each square using the color wheel.
When you are done check back by actually color picking and seeing how far off you were, was the saturation too high? The value too dark? Or maybe you chose the wrong hue altogether, accuracy improves with time and focused practice.
When you move to color keep in mind increasing the saturation also increases the value.
Some hues, in their base color are invariably darker than other hues even when they are on the same value step of the digital color wheel.
Keep the value and saturation the same, just move the hue around and lay some patches of color, put on the greyscale filter, you will find yellow and green shall almost always be lighter than the other hues at similar value steps.
The reverse is true for red/blue, so changing the hue is also a way to increase or decrease the value

what are some good strategies to learn construction, my poses look like fucking garbage and its getting really frustrating. feel like im not making any progress.

>>6964041
i can do basic things like deconstruct a reference into simple shapes, and i have some success at then rotating the figure, but I for the fucking life of me can not draw a natural looking standing pose or anything simple like > man kneeling. im literally about to tear up every fucking notebook i have.

>>6964038
Exactly you should just merge the two! Good luck on your journey!! We may lose ourselves in the subtleties at times but what makes for the strongest read is always the shape design we lay down in the beginning stage

I will never get good.
I don't want to get stuck making mediocre animuh art.
Why does it takes decades to reach a level that isn't horrid dogshit if you are born without talent.

what are thoughs on using figmas to learn Anime

>>6964059
good for anatomy, bad for faces

>>6963898
>>6963901
>>6963975
>>6963977
>>6963981
It honestly just needs more contrast. Yeah, values could be refined, the shadows could use more tightening up, and construction needs work, but an easy fix would be to adjust values.

Here's my quick take. My likeness sucks, but I hope it gives op an idea of where they can go.

since I started trying drawing (emphasis on trying) shin chan style just gets cooler and cooler, I will start watching more movies, this one is great. But man actions scenes are hard I will start drawing more old kung fu films.

>>6964026
use
https://x6ud.github.io/pose-search/#/

I think you are choosing hard poses to draw, try drawing the same pose but in a 3/4 view, this will be easier because now you have a well defined x,y,z axis instead of a profile view where one dimension starts to get heavily distorted. Keep going, you are doing great.

>>6964009
if you want more replies I would skip the day X of Y, you are doing great but people on this board are a little sensitive (with others progressing faster). I think you are doing proko, just keep pushing and have fun. By the end you should have enough lingo to know what to do next.

>>6964063
Faggot already admitted he has been drawing for far longer than that and the "muh x days" is just bullshit.

>>6964064
i assumed he just meant he's going back to properly learn the basics, do people really think you can achieve that in only 30 days?

>>6964064
again a people here get a tad sensitive for others work or useless information kek.

>>6964065
it would really make a difference?

>>6964064
anyone with a brain could see that

>>6964043
this is what comes out when i make up poses.

>>6963423
Get some better reference material then bad hentai. Picrel, Tales of Wedding Rings by Maybe, has some of the most god tier consistent saggy braless breasts that are right up your alley. I highly suggest farming his manga for reference images.

>>6964063
>>6964063
>https://x6ud.github.io/pose-search/#/
I had tried to use it before and it is great but sometimes it can give way too vague results.
>3/4 view
Reminds me of that twittter post a few months ago where sommeone would redraw something just to raytrace the lighting from a torch.
I wish drawing wasn't so incredibly difficult. Even the tiniest mistake throws everything down the fucking shitter.
>doing great
lol. lmao even.

>>6963329
pyw

tried using more textured brushes as per anon's suggestion

>>6964062
>>6963901
Sorry, just popping back in to (You) anybody that I missed, as I am grateful for anybody that spares the time to look at my work

>>6964063
i don't give a frickity frick, dude. while helpful replies/tips are nice, i'm just using this thread to keep me accountable to actually draw.
>>6964064
nah i didn't. i really have been only drawing for that long, though not in a row. i didn't draw for 2 week between day 23 and 24 or someshit

>>6963655
how to tell people you're a /nodraw/ without telling people you're a /nodraw/

>>6964085
You are posting work, asking questions and trying which is way better than most people here.

>Even the tiniest mistake throws everything down the fucking shitter.
I think you are focusing on details too early, for example this is the first sketch of a pro, he made like 5-7 iterations of this just to have all the needed placeholder correct. Once you are happy with the placement of everything you can continue to make more "final" decisions.

>>6961585
I only draw, regretably, like 4 times a month. This is Alena from DQ.

If only I wasn't retarded I would be good by now.

Surely.

Why are you applying the Loomis/Reilly method when working from photo reference as opposed to just blocking in stuff by proportions/observation?

>>6964089

>>6964079
>Get some better reference material then bad hentai
they were actually from JAV (even the drooping swingy ones at the bottom)

>>6962937
Well I did what you said and worked at it more today with fresh eyes. Would still like to get better than this.

Can I call myself an artist if I'm mid /beg/?

>>6964177
I feel like you can't call yourself an artist until a significant number of randos do.

Are mikey mega vids good to start out with?

>>6962916
Glaze it, never share a piece this good online without poisoning the image first.

>>6962951
Blog? Also get out of here lmao

Do you guys do some warm up before starting an artwork? Is it even benefitial? If so, how do you warm up? What kind of exercise do you recommend?

Really enjoy doing these 90 second sketches. Would love to know what else I should be practising to get these shapes tighter.

>>6962951
Based
Don't forget to add "been drawing for 2 montha straight to get to this level" occasionally when you post

When you can't find a reference for something, should you just give up and pick something else or should you try to guess and draw it anyway? As an example I was trying to draw some anime girls hair from a weird angle but I was having a lot of trouble making it not look like shit

What book should I read to become Vilppupilled?

>>6964266
Hunting for exact reference is a sure fire way to end up doom scrolling rather than drawing. You can try using references that are related but not quite what you're looking. I had a similar issue in pic related wear I couldn't find a good reference for quad-tails on an actual person, but I could find several pig tail pics and a guide to parting hair. Usually the style can still be broken down into simple shapes you can construct from a different angle so I suggest trying that before just givving up.

where's the redline thread? I'm in the mood to redline someone
anyone wants a redline?

>>6964351
Dammit I want a redline but It's loli so the post might get deleted.

>>6964351
Do dirty drafts count?

>>6964365
if it's so dirty it doesn't look wrong then what's the point of redlining it? at that poin i'm finishing a sketch rather than correcting it

>>6964351
>>6964362
Fuck it. If it's deleted so be it.
Specifically I want hep with the folds in the girl's clothing and her hands. Despite doing studies on both they're still look rough.
https://files.catbox.moe/i76kka.jpg

>>6963655
You don't draw.

How to draw a figure using fundies?

>>6964481
like writing using grammar and words

Do you need to learn figure, gesture and construction for drawing? Do you need to learn all three or does just learning one work?

>>6964538
You need all 3, construction is the basis, then gesture flows into figure drawing

>>6964540
really? that sucks. sounds like way too much effort to learn. I think I'll just stick to copying my references

>>6964538
work how? if you lacking in one of these - your character drawing will be lacking in one of these. If you do not want to learn no one forcing you, you will be just worse at it. you do not need to learn anything to draw. you have need to learn a thing if you want to better at this thing

>>6964540
is there a course or a picture/anything that shows these three being put to use the way you described it?

Some 5-10 min figures/gesture

>>6964569
>>6964562
>>6964561
>>6964540
>>6964538
what the fuck are you people saying? did I stumble into the retard convention?

>>6964583
>did I stumble into the retard convention?
You don't know which board you're on?

Recently spent a few days at a mental institution which really changed my perspective on life and other things. I'm no good currently, but hopefully years from now I can tell the stories I wanna tell, I'm already a bit scared about TRULY starting when I'm gonna be 21 in August.

Someone recommended me Peter Han's dynamic sketching 1, so i'm gonna try that.

>>6962485
Why did anon never answer me?

About half an hour's effort.

>>6964707
I think her head and arms are too small

>>6964742
Huh. Didn't notice until I overlayed the ref over my study. In fact it looks like I made the same mistake here as well. I think I overcompensated as I usually do the opposite.

>>6964779
Post ref please?

>>6964786

whats a good movie to put on while I draw?

I really should study but copying is fun

>>6964707
>>6964779
looks good

>>6964779
add boob core shadow for roundness

>>6965056
I think the dress is making you miss the placement of the hips.

how do i draw eyes?

Can I get a critique on this rough sketch?

>Join normalfag server
>Bunch of brown-nosing normalniggers with the shittiest taste ever who will van you if your drawing isn't very clearly 62 years old
>Join degen server
>Filled to the brim with all kinds of degens, have to constanly affirm troons to not be banned
>Join anon server
>Everyone is tearing each other apart for no discernible reason and beginners get chewed out and leave on their own

asaro heads and box butts
man what am i doing

>>6965341
it's a dog eat dog world out there
either fake passive aggressive niceness or just straight up rudeness and evil

>>6965341
>Join degen server
>Filled to the brim with all kinds of degens, have to constanly affirm troons to not be banned
Extra points if it's a "free speech" server that bans someone the second they speak out against the glorious mod or host.

>>6965354
butts aren't boxes anon...

Can I get a critique of this sketch?
Why are there two threads.

Yakub....
Father of mankind....
Creator of the white race...

Do people with photographic memory automatic draw like gods?