/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6958183
Models, as in your personalized model for difficult angles for foreshortening forms you would not see or have a difficult time seeing. Yes, I have used a 3d model to help with my drawings but only sparingly since the 3d models themselves do not offer enough information about form since they're simplified just think of the 3d models/Ai as a virtual mannequin.

pic related was made with
>a simple sketch in the beginning
>ai
>fix sketch
>ai
>overpaint
>add minor fixes
i was also thinking of adding stuff in all the blackness. the AI could probably generate patterns or stuff. but i'll move on.

>>6958190
personal models will be key for style.

>>6958183
If you're going to make an AI thread can you at least not make the image something made by a human. I went into it thinking it was generated and freaked the fuck out until I saw the brushstrokes.

>>6958196
it is AI generated. assisted i mean.
see >>6958193

>>6958193
>style
Not style, it's perspective since you are going to be dealing with the issue of drawing at different eye levels and since we do not have a real life figure with anime hair styles it becomes challenging but with Ai/3d models it solves one of the problems that is lack of information.

>>6958183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTBCzH1UyNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNvD8ePFHs

Another ai thread by tripfag

Cool, another pixelschizo solo thread

>>6958214
>>6958211
If you do not have anything useful to say fuck off back to your hugbox generals and circlejerk each other there.

>>6958215
You come back here every day multiple times a day repeating the same things. You have nothing of value to contribute and are just here to waste your own time like 99% of the board.

next try.
let's see what we can do with this.

>tripfag thread
This guy sure is annoying. Remember you can still report.

>>6958183
No AI isn't good enough at doing either partial processing or finishing touches like rendering without altering the whole picture or producing questionable results

You can sketch->AI->fix/cleanup but you still have limits to how much you can control the result

>>6958183
I have played around with ai and it has not improved my art. I have more fun just drawing the pictures myself. You probably already know who I am since I'm more active now.

Man fucking dobson draws his own things, AI fags are on a level of artistic respect below fucking Dobson.

Chris Chan, Pamperchu draw their own fucking things, I can respect THAT more than I can respect any AI fag.

>>6958235
No rules, just tools.

>>6958223
well, basic so far.

>>6958183
>>6958193
This is pretty nice, good job. Here's a process I tried that's more utilitarian rather than artistic, just trying to photobash some stuff together.

>>6958183
oh my God
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

>>6958251
eh? did you use AI at all here?

>>6958235
Autistic artists like Sonichu are like that old homeless guy that smells like piss and shouts nigger in the streets at the cars, they are the lowest of the society but we still tolerate them somehow since they can be funny too.

AI artists are like tapeworms or the Ebola, they only exist to be exterminated lmao.

>he even prepared the replies to himself
here comes deflection and accusation of a single anon hounding him

>>6958257
Yeah, between step 2 and 3.

AI is just for lazy people that can't have fun drawing

https://youtu.be/DgRO8SQHOSs?t=1244

>>6958215
>If you do not have anything useful to say
But i do.
>fuck off back to your hugbox generals and circlejerk each other there
Are you fucking off back to >>>/g/ then?

>>6958264
I think that anime has some AI scenes in it though

>>6958269
You think so?

>>6958265
Unlike you, I draw.

>>6958263
i see, did you have to paint the last step or were photoshop adjustments enough?

>>6958236
You don't use tools you let ai do the whole thing and take credit

>>6958183
Depends how much you value yourself to replace part of it with something else. I could not live with not having done 100% of my work. I'd feel as a hack. Like if I used a "city brush" in procreate or photobashed something. I didn't draw it. It just happened to fit my ideas and while for most consumers and working creators it's enough, not for me. I tried it. Tried things from making it add content to drawings, to rendering, to coloring sketches, to fixing AI mishaps. (Picrel was drawn, generated, fingers fixed and some melting hair strands fixed and some minor issues and details like the choker ring) But everytime I just dropped it and went back to drawing it myself. I realized I gain satisfaction and sense of accomplishment by having done it myself the "hard way" how you guys put it. And I just find it fun. The experience of drawing my own shit and the road to the finish is not something autonomous content generation can replace as it's a fundamentally different thing. I want my shit generated by my own head on the spot and my hand making it.

Ethically debatable training aside, I would only go as far as use it for quick reference generation personally, but even then anatomy is often meh. I get why people use it, though. I have nothing against it. Plenty cool memes, plenty porn and cool wallpapers have come out of it and I admit to having used chatgpt for idea storms for my own story I'm writing. It's software that can be used as a tool, but it just as much can be used as a hack and stunt your own development if you ever wanted to draw by yourself. But why would you want to now, right? My .02.

But tripfag you really do have some legit disorder to be this obsessed with this board and your autistic debates that belong in some youtube comment thread. You have such a narcissistic view of art and drawing you don't belong here or anywhere but /g/ and its derivatives.

>>6958293
Use the Ai as a supplement for a reference just like any other image/painting.

>>6958286
99% photoshop fuckery, repainting whole elements would be better but that's kinda besides the point since I wanted to avoid doing that in the first place. Pretty happy with how it turned out all things considered. This image looks pretty good too, how often do you run into a situation where you'd like to change something in the final AI-enhanced piece but your painting skills are insufficient?

Where the fuck are the jannies? I report every one of these threads and they always stay up. This place is dead to me finally I guess. Art in general is getting that way too, thanks to idiots like op. There's no point if we're going to start normalizing not actually doing any art as "doing art". God damn I hate you people like you wouldn't believe.

>>6958313
Just hide them. Let retards simmer in their own soup. Jannies still delete obvious bait shit afaik. Let tripfag have his thread so he doesn't shit up the board.

>>6958313
You would rather have have gossip and twatter/social media threads up instead of these threads which actively produce content? You fags made your deathbeds, stop complaining.

>>6958328
>actively produce content
I can hear the memory chips of gpus screaming in agony from here.

>>6958306
damn, photobashing is more viable than ever i guess.
it's much more of a hassle to try to get your own art into things.

i still find it pretty satisfying to continue working after the AI output.
i think layers are a key aspect to this. even just having your own lines on top in its own layer makes it feel much more natural.

>>6958334
How about you post your work here and allow OP to provide you with variations of your work through Ai maybe you will learn something from it.

>>6958328
Theres 5 threads up here made for him bitch on they need a permanent ban honestly

>>6958337
Learn what? How to draw less? How to be "efficient"? Why would I want an AI take of my work?

>>6958342
Color/Composition/Environment/Lighting/Rendering/Backgrounds. The possibilities are endless.

>>6958286
>>6958306
>>6958335
>>6958257
>>6958251
bro I'm dying

>>6958183
Yes, if they can't draw
Just like so many succesful musicians that can't play a single instrument, but gave the world oh so many great songs
This question so incredibly trite is really something that should distract you from your activities op? Go back sucking dicks now

>>6958337
How about you shut the fuck up and stop posting ai slop?

>>6958183
illustration is the last thing a real artist would give up control on.
From your sketch you have a basic understanding of drawing, so you must be either depressed, extremely lazy, haven't touched grass or seen real art in weeks or have a brain that's fucked up on drugs to be thinking those things as a drawer
Reconsider and stop clogging this fucking board

>>6958183 (OP)
illustration is the last thing a real artist would give up control on.
From your sketch you have a basic understanding of drawing, so you must be either depressed, extremely lazy, haven't touched grass or seen real art in weeks or have a brain that's fucked up on drugs to be thinking those things as a drawer
Reconsider and stop clogging this fucking board

>>6958337
Here
Are you gonna diffuse it?

I would really like ai if it could make me more efficient at being racist and mysoginistic+anti semitic

>>6958345
>the possibilites are endless

>>6958356
>Too pussy to post work
Typical /ic/ shitposter, you're the kind that ought to be banned around here.

and there we go. moving on.

>>6958355
he already admitted as much to being too lazy to render himself. he also admitted to purposely trying to change /ic/'s perception so his ai-infused more appreciated

>>6958366
>post work
>"no you didnt post"
is it that strange that an anon on le evil 4chan nazi site would draw a racist caricature?

>you should be banned
Your mother is a nigger.
Put my work in the magic art machine.

>>6958335
Yeah I'd say photobashing benefits the most from AI. But you didn't answer my question and I'm genuinly curious, do you run into situations where you'd like to change something in the final AI-assisted image but your skills are not good enough to match it? And what do you do in that situation if it does happen.

I made picrel with AI too but I didn't find any progress pics.

>>6958366
you missed out on the thread where people drew the footballer in their own style? that most likely is his own work lol. stop talking shit

>>6958210
>art theft
I fucking hate the retarded notion of legally protected ideas and images.
Copy right was a fucking mistake. From the start. It's civilization culturally kneecapping itself.
I have
This should have been solved with fraud and impersonation lawsuits, not by creating new privileges and monopolies.

>>6958382
Oh is that so, let me rephrase my post. >>6958376
Post your most recent work.

>>6958383
Ok you unoriginal lazy sack of shit.

>>6958383
> Copy right was a fucking mistake.
There it is, the true motive to retarded ai shitters. Wanting to leech other’s work and seeing ai “art” as a way to get easy access without any work, just like commies.

>>6958383
just move to china if you believe that

>>6958389
ok

>>6958383
same!
i think we should simply kill the ai artists without bothering copyright

>>6958393
Your most recent serious work.

>>6958399
btw why are you chickening out at a silly racist caricature?

>>6958403
Not chickening out I want to see your real work and if that's what you can produce then I can't take you seriously.

>>6958407
Very rich coming from an ai tard

>>6958369
So are you going to use it as reference and finish a proper image now? The AI rendering clashes heavily with that ms paint spray brush by the way
>>6958407
Just put his shit in the generator faggot he's posted more than enough work and you're being a pedantic prick

>>6958337
ok OP, use AI to make this illustration more appealing. I drew this in about 30 minutes

>>6958412
I am not OP.
>>6958410
Despite that illustration being crude it's better quality than your highschool tier textbook doodles.

>>6958337
Can you make this in AI?

>>6958416
wow anon i am so offended

Look at this horse though

Another AI thread shit posted to death while the trip was trying to be civil once. You should be ashamed of yourselves /ic/.

>>6958422
Why didn’t you draw the horse getting punched?

one interesting thing about AI assisted workflows is how iterative they are.
first you play with the prompts, but as soon as you get something that you can use as a depth map, you can kinda expand on that composition in infinite ways.

>>6958373
>he also admitted to purposely trying to change /ic/'s perception so his ai-infused more appreciated
uh, no. the point of it is to change perceptions about AI, yes. but it was mainly because i think the way people here look at AI is extremely unhealthy and not very productive for the future.
yes, it's to rip the bandaid off faster, and yes, it is so people don't have literal mental breakdowns over AI posts.

>>6958412
nah, these are also just proof of concepts. an actual piece would take longer, with more thought and effort being put into the base idea and lines.
but after this i can use it as ref, or start rendering on top of every part of it, now i just changed the color of the lines a bit.

>>6958412
I want to understand what even is the point.
>Hey look how SD made it detailed!
>Hey look how it rendered it!
>Hey look how it colored it!
Why would any self respecting artist want to see some bastardized versions of their work? Inb4
>it's for your own reference and inspiration bro, made by yours truly
Do they really honestly think this?

>>6958424
>tripfag
>civil
He roped what he cummed.
>>6958426
I couldn't diffuse it right.

>>6958414
That's pretty cool, I didn't want to change it too much.

>>6958427
>not very productive for the future
Ah yes. Production. Consumption. The future. You have been told countless times how you have a different understanding of art. You are not going to change that. You quite literally do not fit in but you can't seem to cope with that.

so anyway, anyone have suggestion/challenges?
i'll do one of those next.
and after that, some inpainting maybe.

>>6958424
ignore it.

>>6958337
btw can you make this in ai?

people telling you you're a faggot fraudster isn't having a breaking, it's you being too autistic to understand you do not belong

>>6958431
lmao that's just a sepia filter
try changing it and making it more appealing and i'll change my mind on AI
(faggot)

>>6958439
>so anyway, anyone have suggestion/challenges?
>i'll do one of those next.
>and after that, some inpainting maybe.
Yes, prompt a man dressed as a woman shooting himself over the fact that women won't let him have sex with them in bathroom stalls

just realized i don't live in usa so i am safe when the tripschizo shoots a place up

>>6958439
I have a challenge, I'm very curious what it can do with this one.
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1701383130345640.jpg

>>6958446
>shoots a place up?
With what? By prompting gun fire on a computer and calling everyone low IQ because they don't take a gun and kill themselves when he larps as a shooter with his prompted guns?

>>6958439
>anyone have suggestion/challenges?
the "tripfag stops breathing" challenge
all that effort for something that isn't yours in the end

>>6958390
>>6958391
>>6958392
For thousands of years, people were fine with copying from one another. Sometimes straight up ctrl+c ctrl+v each other stories, poems and imagery. So last 400 odd years is the exception.

I think present system is too prone corruption. From few years for author to get majority of profits it it grew to monstrosity that it is today, where legal entities can milk author's creation decades after his death.
These companies who hold on to the most known IPs and produce nothing but crap, imagine if they couldn't just indefinitely hold on to monopoly on these interesting culturally relevant designs and stories without producing anything of note.
In that world a good enough fan creation could become the mainstream continuation of that design, that story.

>>6958424
trying to paint yourself as the victim again?

>>6958439
Here's one for you, finish this with your AI-assisted workflow and describe the process. Be as creative as you'd like just try to keep it somewhat close to the original concept.

>>6958431
if this is a serious suggestion then i'll give it a try?
but that is already a finished piece pretty much. a bit wack, but still.

or wait nvm i'll give this a try instead i guess.
>>6958447
the lines are VERY thin. but let's see.

>>6958428
It really just seems like a form of self sabotage and signing the death warrant of your creativity.

>>6958439
put this on a track. colored.

For thousands of years, people were fine with copying from one another. Sometimes straight up ctrl+c ctrl+v each other stories, poems and imagery. So last 400 odd years is the exception.

I think present system is too prone corruption. From few years for author to get majority of profits it it grew to monstrosity that it is today, where legal entities can milk author's creation decades after his death.
These companies who hold on to the most known IPs and produce nothing but crap, imagine if they couldn't just indefinitely hold on to monopoly on these interesting culturally relevant designs and stories without producing anything of note.
In that world a good enough fan creation could become the mainstream continuation of that design, that story.

I wrote this btw

>>6958457
>the lines are VERY thin. but let's see.
Shit, hang on then let me make it better for you.

>>6958462
>>6958457
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1701383526313627.jpg

>>6958461
very based

>>6958444
It's not just a sepia filter, it's simple AI colorization. Anyway though I don't want to change it anymore, it looks good to me. To make it more appealing(to me) would mean to completely remake it.

>>6958473
>ai colorization
kek

3 seconds in photoshop with a mouse

>>6958461
For thousands of years thing were really stagnate.

I know an artist who uses AI to test out different lighting conditions in his work. He draws a flat colour image, feeds it in to the AI, and then prompts for things like "sunset" or "noon" or whatever. He doesn't actually use the output in his final image, he just uses it to get a quick idea of what might work best before he commits to colouring in that style. I thought that was a pretty legit way to use it. Not to avoid doing work, but to figure out where his work is best spent.

>>6958486
It's literally 10 seconds of work.

>>6958471
>>6958457
I almost forgot to mention, try not to post the results here because my work either gets massed reported or the janny might report/delete and it might ban you try and crosslink it from another board.

>>6958473
yeah remake it by the way! let's see what it comes out, no? i repeat, i made this in 30 minutes, the idea is "The sly, ironic and blissful moment when you're walking home drunk"
remake it no? should be easy
(faggot)

>>6958459
your creativity must be pretty fragile if some temporary ai experimentation can cripple it that badly.

>>6958459
Yeah. He's bound to be lost in a sea of other AI slop because he sees real artistic development as unimportant and delegates it to a machine. Just sucks that in the process these types are going to make the internet impossibly loud and a huge chore to sift through. Lots of good artists are probably just going to give up on posting stuff on social media. Cory Loftis for instance recently removed almost all his work from the net. Thanks AI and people like tripfag for slowly murdering art!
>>6958444
soul

>>6958471
i haven't been banned for AI before so i'm not too worried.
btw this is not a commission or anything. just trying to explore AI usecases.

>>6958498
>Thanks AI and people like tripfag for slowly murdering art!
But they're making it better, can't you see? The speed? The quality? Look how even the biggest retard can make masterpieces! Isn't it wonderful?

>>6958461
Cool, but have you said it's your unique work not based on any other work, you'd be a cheat.
I still could sue you for lost profits due to impersonation and clients could sue you for fraud.
No need for monopolies and "fair use" exceptions.

Obviously you'd have to use other ways of monetizing, depending on the market you're operating in. I wouldn't call for to stripping others from gains on their made investments.
I just think we should switch to copyleft in licensing works, as in large scale it promotes creativity and development of best work.

>>6958481
Okay, but the AI took 1 second.

>>6958498
>Just sucks that in the process these types are going to make the internet impossibly loud and a huge chore to sift through.
This is a search engine problem and not a content creation problem. Normalfags always blame the content when it's the search algorithm that delivers the slop directly to them.

>>6958506
>masterpieces
>it' just eye candy for the layman who wants to see pretty colors
>it's what the majority of porntards have been doing for decades
Man, easy access to porn really has ruined a whole generation.

>>6958510
what a pathetic person. Depression must have fucked with your brain badly, and this last comment is so retarded i'm starting to think you're trolling.
You should consider a disability allowance, or suicide

>>6958460
like this?

>>6958486
brainstorming and referencing is an obvious way to use it, yeah.

>>6958514
Yep >>6957854

>>6958502
I'm overwhelmed with joy, that is exactly what I envisioned. The Ai got the colors right down to the red cape it's uncanny how accurate it got the idea. It's just too bad the requester of that drawing fell off the face of the earth I'm sure they would have loved seeing it.

trying too hard with your b8 m8

>>6958532
I truly feel sorry for you.

>>6958519
seems you don't have any vehicle models
thanks for effort

>>6958533
touched a nerve it seems

>>6958540
I'm very touched, just not in the way you think. >>6958525

>>6958510
Soulless

>>6958535
yep, sorry bro.

>>6958431

>>6958542
Touched by your uncle

>>6958431
also this is completely nonsensical and bizarre, but i kinda like it

>>6958542
sounds phony af

next i'll probably try to do some inpainting.
the idea is:
>have a sketch that is also partly colored
>fill in the rest of the environment accurately. or in a somewhat useful way.

>>6958183
Is this the tripfag prompt request thread? /g/ doesn't answer and bing doesn't do porn.

>>6958550
>>6958546
gz you've made it worse and brought nothing to the table

>>6958548
>>6958553
How sad that you insist on remaining embittered but go ahead and keep mass reporting, Ai is here to stay.

>>6958559
here it is, the anime reaction post "anon"

>>6958556
not a request thread damn it!

>>6958456
wait, what do you want me to use? the left or right one?

>>6958559
>Ai is here to stay
No thanks to you. You're a nobody who has never contributed to art or technological progress and will remain nothing but an irrelevant parasite.

>>6958569
and just who are you then?

>>6958183
>Do artists need AI?
The fuck is this question? You don't need shit. The appropriate question would be.
>Do artists want AI?
And the answer is no, as is apparent by the general consensus on the board.

>>6958565
Either one or both, up to you. The right is based on the left.

>>6958562
>>6958565
>not a request thread
>continues taking requests

>>6958562
Well anon are you gonna do it or not nigga I thought you did things for free

>>6958183
how do we train it on our own art to make a personal model? No one ever answers that question.

>>6958577
Gotta validate himself somehow, y'know. Gotta show what his big dick computer can do.

>>6958575
alright, i'll try to do it after the other thing i decided to try >>6958555

>>6958577
like i said in the OP, this is more of a practical exploration of AI workflows.

>>6958581
it seems finnicky and i'm not sure there is a consensus on many of the settings. you also need to prepare and tag your own dataset, i.e. your own art. i haven't gotten around to doing it either.

>>6958518
^this is meant for
>>6958550
>>6958546
(i knew it would come out looking like shit)
(faggot)

>>6958183
>Do artists need AI? (in the context of using it as an assistant)
no
>Is it worth using AI?
no unless if you want to stunt your brain
>what actually can be done with AI?
bait threads by fags like you
>is the effort required to "fix" the AI outputs even worth the trouble?
no as you weaken the whole and muddle your own vision
>is it possible to keep your own artistic input? (soul)
you're a retard if you equate input to soul but I think you're assuming that's what anons mean when using this words that triggers you
>what is lost and what is gained?
your legitimacy and ammunition to shoot you with
>The goal of this thread
is to stroke your ego
tldr; you're like shartiversity

>>6958589
>this is more of a practical exploration of AI workflows
Delegating my drawing to AI is now my workflow. Practical. Kek.

>>6958599
it's not a workflow period, it interrupts flow

>>6958574
>he needs the general consensus of the board to have opinions
lol

>get rough lines done.
>crash
KRITA IS SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT PROGRAM JESUS CHRIST FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>6958631
>he can't read

>>6958590
Soul

alright, let's see what we can do with this.

>>6958631
>>6958637
dunno if you've noticed but it's mostly monologue at this point

>>6958651
i forgot, the point was supposed to be to color it and have the AI adjust to that.
will have to do that..

>>6958193
feels like tracing would be much more efficient and easier

>>6958637
i can read between the lines just fine.
the general consensus of the board doesn't mean shit, and you shouldn't base any of your arguments on what a "consensus" thinks; especially the consensus of an anonymous imageboard community.
this board has already been simultaneously mindbroken by twitter and /g/ shitposters so there isn't going to be a realistic viewpoint on AI that can be represented here.

>>6958664
you mean tracing the AI output?
ngl, i thought so multiple times as well. especially for backgrounds.

>I can construct my own reality just fine
>the board disagrees with me so it means their opinion is wrong!
>t-they're just mindbroken
peak autism &/o delusion

>>6958671
just because you dislike the viewpoint and chose plug your ears and shut your eyes doesn't make it unrealistic. but I know what you're thinking
>"n-no you're plugging your ears and shutting your eyes to my superior enlightened opinion!"
come back when you have integrity...actually don't

>>6958671
>the general consensus of the board doesn't mean shit
It is when you're asking about the general consensus. "Arists", plural, isn't one person.

>>6958671
actual spurdo
What viewpoint? Last I checked ai threads are a shitfest at best. That should be a hint that this "opinion" isn't worth representing and will only cause autistic screeching. Meaning - fuck off with it and don't shit up the board. Or are you also here on a quest to change minds?

>>6958589
i have a ton of my own art ready to go. I just dont know how to make it into a dataset.

>>6958700
this post has said nothing to disprove my argument that /ic/ isn't the general consensus. you're just strawmanning.
>>6958702
still doesn't make /ic/ the general consensus. art is huge and doesn't just involve some easily astroturfed community with a jaded hugbox.
>>6958706
ai threads are a shitfest because you make it a shitfest. they will easily just die if you don't feed the trolls.
you clearly want ai threads if you keep posting in them. there's no other explanation.

>>6958722
>/ic/
>hugbox
delusional.
pyw

>they still believe they're talking to me.
lol

in other news. this experiment is not going well. at least with how i'm doing it right now. (inpainting)

>>6958722
>doesn't make /ic/ general consensus
how can you miss the point this bad kek

I could use ai to make my work look polished/rendered/colored etc. Be an ai janny and make "impressive" pictures. but I worry that in 10 years I will look back and wish I had switched to trad and ignored ai completely. The 10 years of using ai path feels like I would only be half the artist I could be. Yes you could try to balance the use, but ai development is fast and exciting, and using it is addictive even without drawing/img2img. can I really balance it?

>>6958727
it's a hugbox. don't you see all the posters trying to ban all ai discussion from the board and complaining that the jannies aren't doing it for them?
if you don't agree with the "hate ai" normalfag viewpoint, you get people trying to get your posts removed and banned. that's a hugbox, in my opinion.
>>6958732
>And the answer is no, as is apparent by the general consensus on the board.
how am i missing the point? if you're referring to the "general consensus of the board", that seems to be a large part of your argument.

>>6958728
Inpainting isn't really meant to work like that, as the name suggests it's supposed to be used on smaller elements inside the larger image.

>>6958739
yeah i normally don't do it like that.
with cnet guidance i can get it to work, but it still doesn't really fit the image.

btw the colors are deliberately shitty because i want to see if the AI can match it.

>>6958735
it's no different from when someone tries to post a 3d picture or a pepe on /a/ everyone bitches at the person and the jannys do take action because the consensus is that it isn't wanted.

>>6958735
Are you a newfag? Nobody was talking about /ic/ being the conensus of all art retard. The "jaded communities" are what dictate what's going on here, so you first lurk before posting shit or get pikachu faced when you're called a faggot and told to gtfo for your opinion.

>>6958749
>The "jaded communities" are what dictate what's going on here
that's not how it works. you don't get to dictate what is the community and what isn't.
it's an anonymous imageboard, so everybody has an equal voice on the matter, which includes pro-ai posters.
>>6958748
those can be removed for being off-topic and unrelated. however, ai is art related despite what some people on /ic/ desperately want to believe.

>>6958735
>my opinion.
You opinion is very weird. Wanting ai out of ic is because it is a contaminant. Even if it was completely trained on public domain images, that wouldn't change things. I want to see anons work, and help anons get better, I never suggest they photobash to make better backgrounds, I suggest they learn perspective. I never suggest color picking from reference photos, I suggest trying to eyeball the color and checking after. If ai is in the equation, any suggestion to use it just stalls that artists development. They won't develop a critical eye. They will end up like shad.

>>6958735
>ic is hugbox
>because they don't want larpers who dont draw on their baord to spam the board with infinite images and pretending they're doing something
Also i get to dictate everything and i declare you a discord tranny
please relief yourself of your miserable existence at the next opportunity

>>6958756
>They won't develop a critical eye.
nothing is a zero-sum game. they can develop a critical eye regardless of if they encounter ai in their art journey or not.
>>6958757
ai is art related. nothing will change the fact.
how you deal with shitposters is another concern all together.
stop trying to ban related topics because you don't know how to deal with autists from /g/.

>>6958753
no they get removed because the people dictate that they don't want it polluting their board. even if a thread with a pepe image is trying to start anime discussion it will get lambasted. /ic/ doesn't like ai much like how it didn't like photobashing i really don't know why you desperately want ai discussion on /ic/ rather than /g/

>>6958758
>ai is art
no

We had this 6 million times
Your kind is jewish in nature
Pls go shoah yourselves

>>6958753
>that's not how it works
Yes. Yes it is. Welcome to 4chins. Lurk more and get an idea for the community before exercising your freedom of speech autism.
>ai is art related
you want to make it art related

>>6958767
btw if ai is art
so is racism and anti-semitism because hitler was an artist

if you're not racist and hate the jews, you don't belong on this board

/ic/ is a place to draw and paint not fuck about with image generation software. why don't we have threads on 3d too since artists use 3d models??

>>6958758
>they can develop a critical eye regardless of if they encounter ai in their art journey or not.
Not zerosum sure. But this remains to be seen. So far evidence points the other way... And once you pop it's hard to stop, especially as ai keeps coming up with new stuff. How much time are you going to spend making ai anime at the end of next year? And then ai games 5 years after that?

>>6958763
>the people dictate that they don't want it polluting their board
and who is the "people" in an anonymous imageboard? how do you decide which voices are artificial or genuine?
would i not be considered a genuine voice because i go against the grain?
>>6958763
>i really don't know why you desperately want ai discussion on /ic/ rather than /g/
i don't. i just think this site has some obsession with "containing" things instead of dealing with the actual problem. ai can lead to constructive discussions if you allow it. there is no rule that ai can't allow discussions regarding genuine art improvement.
>>6958767
and why isn't ai art? if somebody draws an image and then uses an ai to change 1% of the pixels, does it suddenly not become art?
>>6958768
>Yes. Yes it is
i disagree.
>you want to make it art related
it is art related. nobody has disproven this yet.
>>6958774
just the more reason to allow ai discussion. why is avoiding the problem easier than allowing discussion regarding it?

>>6958777
heyo, cat anon here! You should kill yourself imho, have you considered it?

>>6958777
Why do jews lie and cheat and then scream in pain as they strike you?
I dunno man, if chinese propaganda has taught me something is that i should go consume porn so the average male becomes weak and pacified while the chinese exploits their people to win the economy race.
But ai still won't be art, just because its picture because i don't believe in a future when the american government agencies can falsify testimonies and control the flow of information by faking any images.

But really, i feel nothing towards you, you're just extremely annoying as if you were getting paid to post about this stuff, that's why anons don't want you here.
They can smell the shilling even on a board full of actual retards.

>>6958777
>just think this site has some obsession with "containing" things
as it should, it's no different from other sites than have specific places for subjects. all ai has done is lead to spam on multiple boards and you have people in want of an /ai/ board for them to all filter too. why do you desperately want to discuss it here rather than a place that's open to it like /g/? you know, the ai hugbox. or better yet go to reddit

>>6958781
okay, but which part of my argument do you disagree with and what evidence do you have in the contrary?

>>6958773
drawing line art is a core skill for good ai art

>>6958784
>why do you desperately want to discuss it here rather than a place that's open to it like /g/?
why do you desperately want to avoid discussing ai art on an art board? different boards have different perspectives, so it's nice to see contrasting opinions on topics instead of trying to ban them completely.
you see the hate for ai as a reason for it being banned on /ic/. i see it as a reason it should stay.
>>6958783
you may think im annoying, but that is no reason for me to go away. this site would be no different from reddit or any other hugbox if it worked like that. also, ai art is most definitely still art, and nobody has truly disproven this.

>>6958777
Evidently it is allowed, we are discussing it right now. If we let in ai elsewhere however, it will shit up any thread it can. Dtiys becomes a mine field(already has some mines at times) figure study? Ai poses will mess you up. Moai threads get shot up too, completely against the grain there(happened already) there are so many places it doesn't belong, having to specify it at the top of every thread it doesn't belong will only encourage retards to sneak in ai to get a thrill from "passing as real wimin". Bleh.

>>6958777
>I disagree
actually newfag. feel free to disagree all you want but don't be surprised when all you get in return are you being called a retard.
>it is art related
nigger it literally isn't in the name or fundamentals. you made it art related by bringing software that uses it here when nobody asked

>>6958795
those are just trolls who use it as a tool to shitpost. the very reason you want ai gone is the very reason why it's being used to shitpost. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>>6958797
>you made it art related by bringing software that uses it here when nobody asked
it is art because it can communicate a scene in a visual format. there are no other requirements for art.

>>6958753
>you don't get to dictate what is the community and what isn't.
Neither do you

> so everybody has an equal voice on the matter, which includes pro-ai posters.
Says who? Who really thinks they are entitled to equality on a racist shitposting website?

eh, time to move on with this one.
next: >>6958456
last for today. will be quick.

>>6958794
you would be tolerable if you didn't try to force the meme that is ai

Didn't your coaches teach to ease a concept in before going full force into converting?
Or are you some self-taught discord tranny deluding himself he can do psy-ops because he managed to groom some kiddies with porn?
lmao
lol even

Not even ONE reasonable argument in all the countless thread, not even one ounce of decency, YET you still demand to be respect.
I know you're lonely, but fuck me, nigga, this is getting pathetic.

>>6958804
>Neither do you
i don't disagree.
>Who really thinks they are entitled to equality on a racist shitposting website?
you are only proving my point. nobody is entitled to more equality because all are equal. that means ai posters are as equal as anti-ai posters.

having fun with ai was the push I finally needed to learn fundamentals more and actually practise drawing. Drawing your own hands for example and starting line art makes your ai art 100 times better

>>6958773
Right, you don't see 3d artists or photographers coming here and crying. They are perfectly content in their own space. These ai weirdos have a lot of problems.

>>6958794
>different boards have different perspectives,
wow glad you notice, it seems this board isn't very fond of ai now kindly fuck off. you're no better than someone trying to push multiculturalism

>>6958794
>why do you desperately want to avoid discussing ai art on an art board?
it's not art, period. stop it with the fake candid questions that have been answered several times as you shat the board.
now let me guess...
>"w-well that's just your opinion man, who can say what is and isn't art?"
maybe people would have been more open to discussing hadn't you been a raging autist who spams, gaslight, project and pilpuls.

>>6958808
i am not a part of whatever boogeyman you are trying to make up. i just oppose the banning of ai art, because boards deserve to be able to discuss things they don't exclusively like.
>>6958815
>it seems this board isn't very fond of ai now kindly fuck off
this is no reason to fuck off. why do you insist on avoiding things instead of attempting to solve them?
>>6958816
>it's not art, period.
i disagree. do you have proper evidence to say it's not art?
>hadn't you been a raging autist who spams, gaslight, project and pilpuls.
i have done nothing of the sort. can you refer to the posts where i did this?

>no gaise ai is art pls
>wow why are you so hostile fucking luddite low iq
>pls gaise i am artiste ai is art
>why are people so mean
>you just hate ai for no reason
>why do they persecute us? fucking luddites

>>6958806
>0 artistic vision
keep digging that hole and the pretense this thread is conductive to your point.

>>6958823
why are you making up things i never said? this doesn't seem like the behavior of somebody who is in the right.

>>6958820
no one is banning it
it just dont belong because it isn't a craft

you type words
magic pixel machine does all the work
How dense are you that you do not get such simple concept
>inb4 waah its not automatic photoshop stop calling it that
stop shitting up the board
>>6958826
(you)

>>6958820
Do you know why boards have rules on what topics can be discussed? Because if you don't have rules, random morons will come in and derail endlessly. Defeating the purpose for having a board for a specific topic. There is nothing stopping you from going to /g/ you just like disrupting this board for attention.

>>6958820
>i disagree. do you have proper evidence to say it's not art?
no made by human, get bent
>i have done nothing of the sort.
keep lying, anyone can lookup the tripcode

>>6958786
i disagree with your faggot mentality full of second guesses and excuses that betrays a full-on depressive episode, because i doubt you'd be autistic enough to actually enjoy this kind devil's advocate thing you're doing

Nice attempt at a thread here. I've played around with SD 1.5 and I want to try and use it for animation work in the future. Any SAS models are going to be gimped by their parent corporations in some capacity so I've stuck to local models. The limits frustrate me greatly though, I end up running through so many iterations to get non fucked results that I end up just wishing I'd animated the thing in tvpaint. If it could handle transparent backgrounds consistent foreground isolation or even work with a greenscreen LORA the results might have been usable for something more than messing about. The things I've seen regarding prompt travel seem interesting but for now I'm mostly participating in trad and spectating AI art.

For obvious reasons I don't think you'll find /ic/ a particularly hospitable place for this sort of discussion. I appreciate that this wasn't a lets meme on "tech bros", reality denial, or an open blackpill thread. Give it a year or two, if AGI hasn't wiped everyone out the board might be more receptive down the line.

>>6958803
AI is artificial intelligence. An algorithm. It's art to engineers, sure. AI art is what you're referring to. Not the same.

>>6958803
>just trolls
Yeah right now. But if it looks like ai is accepted, how many ai users will come here and shit up the board with their "art". Do we really want aichads or shads? There are a lot of them. What is the threshold? Draw threads would just hit image bump limit in 30 minutes like /sdg/

>>6958834
>Give it a year or two, if AGI hasn't wiped everyone out the board might be more receptive down the line.
Bro, we dont want to use AI.

>>6958803
>it is art because it can communicate a scene in a visual format.
>monkey pushes button on a camera
>OMG IT'S ART

>>6958838
There are like 3-4 AI spam/troll/bait threads at any time whenever the mods stop doing their jobs (which is very often). If this site had any concern about the communities here there would have been an AI board made by now to contain all this shit. Now we get some stupid Dall-E spam thread posted on literally every board. I wonder if it's paid marketing.

>>6958826
>why are you making up things i never said? this doesn't seem like the behavior of somebody who is in the right.
How does that story go? About the criminal that reveals himself in the line up when the officer makes a remark?

>>6958842
Well, it do be sometimes, given something is added

>>6958847
no it never do lad

>>6958183

>>6958827
>it just dont belong because it isn't a craft
i disagree. ai art is art, and is also a craft, like any other craft on /ic/.
>magic pixel machine does all the work
you can do as much work as you want to inbetween each generation. there is no rule that you have to let an ai generator do all the work for you.
>stop shitting up the board
if you want me to stop posting, you can stop replying to me. i am only responding to anons that want to engage in arguments with me.
>>6958828
and ai art is art related so it fits into the topics that can be discussed on this board.
>>6958829
i am not who you are assuming i am.
>>6958832
how is this relevant to the argument at all? why does it matter if i'm merely just arguing for the sake of arguing?
playing devil's advocate is how you keep communities from turning into hugboxes.
>>6958836
ai art is art. there needs to be a proper definition for art for you to disprove ai art as art; no?
>>6958838
ai threads don't have to be image dumps. they can be proper discussion on techniques and the impact of ai on the art world. you are trying to ban things based on something that hasn't even happened yet.
>>6958842
yes, the world has already determined that photography is art, just like ai art is.
>>6958846
what is your point?

>>6958848
it do though, pal

>>6958190

>>6958845
I should have applied to be a janny. I've reported countless threads and posts, if I just had a hammer...

>>6958850
>yes, the world has already determined that photography is art, just like ai art is.
absolute
retard

>>6958850
>disagrees
>doesn't explain anything
>only makes statement
>"yeeahh uuuuum just let me samefag and spam the board"
You will never be a photographer

>>6958850
>what is your point?
He quoted nobody, just posted a common ai meme, you responded accusing him of misrepresenting you personally.

>>6958850
Photography and cg is art, yet they have their own boards and don't complain

>>6958846
oh oh i know this one, sensei

>>6958850
>you are trying to ban things based on something that hasn't even happened yet.
I'm from the future. Ai was a mistake. Alignment was impossible all along.

>>6958850
>i am not who you are assuming i am.
an yet you mass reply just like...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
then comes the gaslighting

>>6958860
I do enjoy an occasional /3/ thread on /ic/, but the difference is that AI spam is relentless

>>6958456
welp. here you go.

>>6958824
you're talking as if you actually know what's my input or not in that image.

>>6958854
/p/ too already exists here yet nigga gotta complain they need to be here when other boards also have AI threads they infest

>>6958841
Neither did I really, I've made my peace with it. Also, glaze your work.

>>6958868
you're talking as if you have any legitimacy left. your own words damned you

time traveler from the year 2089 here
ai was a huge mistake, it drained the economy and no one was allowed to watch porn anymore
we had 46 civil wars dubbed the cum wars for obvious reasons

i need grape juice to travel back

>>6958854
care to provide any arguments in contrast to my point or are you going to resort to random?
>>6958856
please elaborate on what you are referring to.
>>6958859
i apologize. his vernacular and usage of greentext seemed shockingly similar to one of the posters i was arguing with.
>>6958860
they have their own boards, and they are also allowed on /ic/ because /ic/ is about art; not just drawing-focused art.
>>6958866
i still do not know who you are referring to.

>>6958850
>ai threads don't have to be image dumps. they can be proper discussion on techniques and the impact of ai on the art world. you are trying to ban things based on something that hasn't even happened yet.
Every art community that allows ai has become a swamp for lazy normies and 3rd worlders spamming infinite images from picture shitters. It defeats the purpose of art communities entirely.

>>6958183
An anime girl in a void? You'll fit right in with these lads.

>>6958879
woah, hey what do you mean transwomen shouldn't be allowed to compete in women sports? fucking bigot

>>6958879
>Every art community that allows ai has become a swamp for lazy normies and 3rd worlders spamming infinite images from picture shitters
you can simply disallow the bad parts of ai discussion and allow only the good parts. just because other communities endorse image spam doesn't mean allowing ai discussion will result in image spam.
why give up just because others have failed? it just sounds a little defeatist.

>>6958878
I don't think you get it. this argument has been addressed again and again. you're just trying to paint yourself as the reasonable party and win through attrition. you're only deserving of being called a faggot fraudster

>>6958879
yeah, anon, don't defeat yourself
just let the aibros flood the board and then when you are outnumbered, you just have to accept it

>>6958884
/thread

>>6958878

>>6958884
>I don't think you get it.
then please elaborate some more and articulate yourself in a more convincing manner.
>this argument has been addressed again and again.
and it seems this argument needs to be readdressed because it has not come to a proper conclusion.
>you're just trying to paint yourself as the reasonable party and win through attrition.
i'm only trying to defend myself. being seen as the reasonable party by default just means you are being unreasonable.
>you're only deserving of being called a faggot fraudster
i disagree.

>>6958183
>the same spamming tripfag obsessed with ai starts another ai thread

>>6958868
not him but that chair image was pretty terrible, it just looks like a drawing photobashed onto a background
>but inpainting
yeah and ai filled it in, can hardly count as input

>>6958887
>when you are outnumbered
midjourney has around 20 million members... Even 0.1 percent of those coming here would fuck ic royally. And that's just mj, what does SD and dalle have?
Hold the door!

>>6958892
>come to a place that doesn't want anything to do with ai
>why are you guys so unreasonable
>>6958888
aibros have literally used this line of thinking by saying it's the future and that we wont survive unless we use it

>>6958892
>then please elaborate some more
nah, I don't sing to deaf people
>and it seems this argument needs to be readdressed because it has not come to a proper conclusion.
do not put the burden of your lack (or feigned lack) of understanding on us
>being seen as the reasonable party
nah painting yourself as it an obvious manipulation tactics through an oratory trick.
>i disagree
good thing your opinion has an increasingly lower weight

>>6958897
>come to a place that doesn't want anything to do with ai
that's only what you want to believe. the fact that there is still daily ai discussion means that at least some part of the population wants to discuss ai, which is art related.
>>6958902
okay, but where is your argument?

>>6958876
i never had any in your eyes. do you really think that matters to me?

do you realize that i spent the entire thread doing what i set out to do, while you retards were here arguing, insulting and berating me?
i wonder if you people even realize what you're doing. you're basically hoping that you can bully AI away.

and for the record, once again: i very rarely ever post about AI without my trip.
you call it shitposting but i rarely even joke here. you tards really should take a look in the mirror and check out what you have been doing every time you see me posting tidbits about AI.
ever wonder what about this is making you so worked up? because it's not me. i rarely insult someone before they insult me first, and other than that i just post opinions on AI.
but hey, believe what you want to believe.
i no longer care to convince nutcases like you. i now just seek other artists who are interested in this shit.

>>6958878
really makes the noggin' joggin

>>6958900
well do you get it now with what kind of abominations we're dealing with?

>>6958903
>come to a place that doesn't want anything to do with ai
??? We are talking about the effect of accepting ai here. not the current atmosphere.

>>6958892
Are you tripfags handler or something because I've seen this "defender" shit practically brown nosing I his ass alot
Then again your discord call to action is fucking retarded to see

>We are talking about the effect of accepting ai here. not the current atmosphere.

>>6958906
The whole point of generative ai is to be used by people who are not artists, have no skill, and are not willing to put any time into anything. Therefore it is not compatible with an art and critique board.

>>6958909
accepting ai is not an irreversible process nor is it an instant process. there is no "effect" that will justify banning ai discussion outright. if there becomes a problem, you can adapt to it.
right now i disagree that there is even a problem in the first place. it seems more like /ic/ is continuously feeding some random trolls and then mistaking them for the entire pro-ai subset. if you stop reacting so obviously, they'll get bored and leave.
>>6958910
i still have no idea what you are talking about. please elaborate.

>>6958906
>rarely insult someone before they insult me first,
When you did it was very hurtful. I had to turn my monitor off and walk away to escape your cyber bullying.

>>6958906
>do you realize that i spent the entire thread doing what i set out to do, while you retards were here arguing, insulting and berating me?
let me get my ant violin, one sec.
I'll give it to you, you could fool a dumb person into thinking this whole thread isn't about gaining victim points.
you'll keep coping and thinking you are an artist this is a workflow when you're just outsourcing some of your thinking.
had you tried it 6 months ago, you'd have had some ears. instead you chose to be insufferable, spam and argue around the problems when your premise and the others made such argumentation moot. truly, you are autistic for not having realized it.

I firmly believe that the current AI situation was only made worse by the unlimited and easily accessible amount of porn made by pornographers.

Porn really should get banned, in my honest opinion.
Porn is what led coomers to AI and we all know there is no reasoning with coomers.
They just want to cum.
So it really would be beneficial to ban porn and criminalize pornographers of any kind.

>>6958915
Oh but I can force it into my workflow to make my work look more like current thing! I might fool someone into thinking I was responsible for more of the work than I was, making me look good without the effort? Didn't think of that did ya Luddite?

>>6958900
you're utterly retarded for believeing AI is out to get you in the first place.
AI image creation isn't "targeting" artists in the same way as the steam engine wasn't "targeting" factory workers.

AI will affect us and change the landscape, but playing victim, destroying the machines, bullying the users, none of that will actually make it go away. in the same way that the steam machine was not going to.
this is what it means for a paradigm shift to happen.

nobody has to use AI, obviously. but banning it, trying to avoid and pretend it isn't a thing is just pointless and petty. completely senseless.

>>6958924
He genuinely has done more damage for AI's reputation on the board than anyone or anything else and it's sad that he doesn't realize it

>>6958850
i won't argue with an idiot like you, i'm already having a good time telling you to kill yourself and posting cat drawings

>>6958414
>>6958546
let's also remember this one, lmao

>>6958906
>"TAKE ME SERIOUSLY. DEBATE ME. RESPECT ME. LOVE ME."
>said the clown as he was honking his horn for the umpteenth time

.

>>6958928
So you're saying the effort matters more than the result?

>>6958897
I would estimate at least 5% of the global population all together. Midjourney and open ai want it to be closer to 100% so they can rake in those sweet subscription dollars. Imagine 8 billion people spamming at least 100 pictures a day (this will never happen though because ai companies overestimate how much the average person cares about being an artist, or larping as one)

>>6958928
so are you saying you hate jews?

>>6958920
>you can adapt to it.
Oh really? How?

>>6958930
Okay and? doesn't mean we want it discussed here. We'd all much rather you discuss it on /g/ because /ic/ CLEARLY does not want to use it. It's a board for people learning to draw and all AI does is poison that notion

>>6958915
Artists use it all the time though, what about that?

>>6958935
nta but a purely result-oriented mindset rots your mind. or dare I say soul?

>>6958932
>i won't argue with an idiot like you, i'm already having a good time telling you to kill yourself and posting cat drawings
ok, you do you, anon. i didn't want you to believe that i wanted otherwise.
>>6958939
by disallowing non-constructive spam and allowing constructive discussion of ai and ai art.

>>6958940
Speak for yourself retard.

..

>>6958943
Nothing says that an AI art workflow needs to be purely result-oriented. Effort is relative.

>pls use the ai gaise
>no
>you stupid luddite
>still no
>come one gaise you gon b left behind
>no
>gaise you will not survive unless you let us in
>no
>omg how can you not this will benefit you youre so low iq
>ok leave then
>noooo you must accept me
>no
>ha! fucking knew it you hate us for no reason

>>6958935
? Both matter. I'm very impressed by kjg, but it's not just because of the individual images (though I do enjoy them on their own and saved many before he ever filmed himself)

>>6958945
seems the whole board speaks for not wanting it, why else would these type of threads practically not exist?

>>6958940
>/ic/ CLEARLY does not want to use it
proof?

>>6958928
will also encourage children to gamble anon

>>6958947
relativism rots your brain even worse
>ai workflow
there isn't one, you interrupt the flow, you break the chain and delude yourself into thinking it's whole

>>6958955
this thread apparently, only the tripfag posted any ai usage

>>6958931
lol. that is impossible.
you don't realize the state the discourse was in.
you still don't realize how delusional you are even now.
but hey, at least there isn't that much talk about stealing anymore, and more of my view is represented in comparison.

well, except you think it's all me samefagging LOL.

>>6958940
/ic/ used to be against anime art in general too. a long time ago.
do you want to know who actually fought against that?
me.
i literally created the main general where all the other anime generals branched from.
honestly it was probably a bad choice, considering how many mouthbreathing retards are here now. the average age would probably be higher...

>>6958938
I'm saying when you are ready, you won't have to.

>>6958935
It might in the future thanks to ai. The arts always pushes back against what mass media does. The more the industry relies on ai the more the arts will want to go the opposite direction.

>>6958957
>there isn't one, you interrupt the flow, you break the chain and delude yourself into thinking it's whole
So you're a trad purist? All art except trad is not real art?

>>6958944
>disallowing non-constructive spam and allowing constructive discussion of ai and ai art.
How? Jannies work for free. Give an inch aifags will take a mile

>>6958959
Wow, you really do have some kind of narcissitic complex going by that statement. No wonder why you're so relentless

>>6958958
>this thread apparently, only the tripfag posted any ai usage
ai usage isn't the only ai relevant post. ai art discussion is just as relevant.

>WOW YOU GAISE R SO DELUSIONA pls let us in though
>tripfag is still trying to feel heckin valid as the epic psyop agent of art
man, is this what autism and porn addiction does to you?
holy shit

What do you want to create? What needs to be created? Go create it.

What?

Are you afraid someone will try and stop you, cancel you?

There's nothing left they can take, nothing to incentivize you to stop.

You hold all the cards.

>>6958962
>whataboutism

>>6958961
Then it seems like AI really isn't a threat at all, since the arts will just self-correct to focus more on the effort rather than the result.

>>6958962
See
>>6958961

Hey Alexa, prompt this meme but make it about AI

>>6958975
This is best case scenario and is why I don't waste time trying to cancel random losers trying to push soijourney and chatgpt garbage. They are pouring gasoline on themselves and lighting themselves on fire.

>>6958967
>How? Jannies work for free. Give an inch aifags will take a mile
this is just speculation. the equivalent of banning thought crimes.
>>6958974
that's exactly what anti-ai viewpoints tend to be. thanks for proving my point.
>>6958976
then trad purists should be glad. they'll finally get what they want thanks to ai.

>I'm an expert swimmer

>>6958959
>/ic/ used to be against anime art in general too. a long time ago.
>do you want to know who actually fought against that?
>me.
Fuck you fuck you fuck you!!!!!!!! Honestly ic became shittier because of this. We could have had a balance, but no, it's 90% anime now. :(

>>6958959
you claim to be alot of things tripfag. Others claiming your a nigga and need to fuck off is already clear though

Then again I guess you took the your here forever pill if your that NGMI that you need to shill AI near 24/7 here

>>6958958
there was >>6958297 >>6958251
but i knew how the thread would turn out roughly.

>>6958968
i do, but it's not like i'm making shit up.
i didn't do it for attention then and now is not any different.
it's not my fault you retards can't see my viewpoint. people here also used to say "anime isn't art". and attacked me in similar ways, now that i think about it.

you know who actually has a complex? one of you tards who claimed to be a literal "shitposting master".
he said "you wish you were as good as me in manipulating /ic/" (i'm paraphrasing). this is the kind of mentally ill shizo you have on your side.

>>6958982
Make 5 threads in one day and this already near bump limit with arguing on a slow board
>why are these threads hated

>>6958982
>this is just speculation. the equivalent of banning thought crimes.
Not just. Carefully considered, based on past events.

>>6958962
>So you're a trad purist? All art except trad is not real art?
please point where I hand over my drawings to a third party's tampering. AI art isn't art as AI isn't sentient. you're grasping at anything to get the concession ai-assisted art might be art when all you have put forward in your favor is "well it's visual durr"

>tripfag seriously trying to take credit for something an anon did on 4chan
>imagine
>trying to take credit
>for something an ANON did
holy fuck
how much more pathetic can he get

This is how you know he's a fucking newfag and a shill.

>>6958983
Any tips to swim like you?

>>6958988
an amusing attempt are trying to trick people into thinking it isn't staged and now you scramble for an escape

>>6958982
I swear you need to go back already

>>6958994
>This is how you know he's a fucking newfag and a shill.
He's proven he posted here in 2018(or 2016? One of those)

>>6958995
yeah just let the floaties do the job bro. same result bro you float bro

btw he still mad seething about this apparently
he never recovered

>>6958959
filling excel sheets is art

>>6959002
Ok, and when I go to the ocean without the floaties, my time using them will have given me gains right? I can swim as well as the other kids out there?

>>6959001
His proofs mean jackshit.
It's what he tries to do that tells.

>>6959008
well bro why would you want that bro? the kids not using floaties are luddites bro they are here to stay bro

>I-I totally forced /ic/ to accept anime I can force them to accept AI too!
lol

>>6959001
>He says alot of things and trys to cover his tracks many times
>He even ask people to not use greentext for his "serious" discussions on le 4chan
>and continued to (you) everyone

>>6958988
dunno who that fag is and it doesn't make your own complex disappear. especially considering you're back to insults

>>6958995
Just use a boat

>>6959012
I see. But they make fun of me for wearing floaties at the beach. How do I change their minds? Should I stand on a hill and shout about how they need to adapt or die? I could demonstrate how I float in various wave conditions, but they'd still just laugh.

>>6958444
lol I love this drawing

>>6959022
I can't afford one. I have a float-journey subscription.

>>6958984
i'm sorry. lol. kinda. i blame the pornfags desu.
it's kinda bad, but it would probably have happened without me.
and it'll be the same with AI.

>>6958996
you're amusing at this point.

>>6959004
i would not be surprised if you are that mentally ill manipulator shizo.
you keep pulling shit like this.
even though people can easily check the archives. >>/ic/thread/6828681#p6829307
i replied extensively to this, like i tend to do most of the time.

none of that stuck of course. because i doubt you know how AI works even now.

>>6959013
i named the alternative art/stylization thread.

>>6959019
wow, 300 posts in and i'm back to insults!
again, look in the mirror. check out your own posts itt. and check out mine.

>>6959018
>it's been 6 months every day 24/7 of spam since then
bro, this guy ain't normal, i tell you what
Every fookin day
Non-stop spam

>>6959029
I don't understand? We have reasonably told you why this wasn't welcomes threads ago, why are you so aggressive?

>>6959029
Nice glass house, nigga
does it also come without the smell of bull shit or is that your own eau de retárd?

>>6959029
>again, look in the mirror. check out your own posts itt. and check out mine.
manipulation 101. you're on the wrong site to try that

>>6958990
>Make 5 threads in one day and this already near bump limit with arguing on a slow board
this isn't an ai problem. there is no problem with discussing things. if you hate arguing, just stop arguing.
any discussion that is art related is beneficial to this board.
>>6958991
care to elaborate?
>>6958993
>AI art isn't art as AI isn't sentient
but an artist who modifies ai art is sentiment. why disregard that aspect?
>ai-assisted art might be art
the very existance of this term is declaring that ai-assisted art can be art.

Ai is pretty cool.

>>6959037
>but an artist who modifies ai art is sentiment
ai users aren't sentient

>>6959037
ok lets talk about how porn addiction and organized discords coordinating social media posts are ruining art and degenerating it into a cesspool of infinite porn.
Also how AI is the devil.

>>6959037
but that discussion isn't conductive to are it is destructive. it isn't that people don't like arguing, it's that that horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp and that was 4 months ago
>if you don't like me shitting on the carpet stop arguing about it!

>>6958997
go back where?

Congratulations, you faggots have reached Bump Limit!

You have wasted your time and energy and have achieved absolutely nothing of value.

I hope you are happy.

>>6959042
ideally the soil
>>6959043
cry about it

>>6958959
>i literally created the main general where all the other anime generals branched from.
Good times. Back then people actually aspired to make something of themselves, that was before social media turned everybody into FOTM pandering clout chasers.

>>6959037
>the very existance of this term is declaring that ai-assisted art can be art.
fine, ai-assisted pictures mr semantics

>>6959034
He's prob retarded anon considering we've had his word cont last thread at near 4000k words.
I not sure what's it this time but just know he's giving a 30min speech practically every time he does this
>just know the LOR trilogy takes 11 hrs and 36min to watch
>and he wants you to read all his wall texts sometimes
>It's been about 6 months of this

>>6959041
i disagree. there are new discussions to be made everyday. the fact that there are plenty of people willing to voice their opinions and argue with me means that there is still a lot to be discussed.
>>6959039
proof?
>>6959040
i have no information with regards to that. and ai art is simply ai art.

>>6959034
you could easily just ignore it.
but you can't because this is activism to you. you people often even spell it out: you don't want this to spread.
you seem to genuinely think that without me, it won't spread.

also you seem to think that you welcoming me actually matters. as if this is your high school clique. lol.

>>6959036
>telling you to do self reflection is manipulation
lol
do some self reflection. cmon anon. look at your own posts. you don't even have to tell me. just do it.
and then tell me again how i'm a villain for insulting people like you.

>>6959043
tell that to the insane retards who post dots and empty replies because they're desperate to get it off the front page.

>>6959049
and now they will turn to AI so they won't have to

>>6959051
He literally just admitted to having a narcissitic personality, all while calling others schizo while bordering it himself. He's legitimately insane

>>6959034
He's prob retarded anon considering we've had his word cont last thread at near 4000k words.
I not sure what's it this time but just know he's giving a 30min speech practically every time he does this
>just know the LOR trilogy takes 11 hrs and 36min to watch
>and he wants you to read all his wall texts sometimes
>It's been about 6 months of this

correct screenshot

>>6959053
calm down tripanon. why are you being unreasonable?

Made this one with AI, though it turned out alright.

You know people don't like having others try to force their viewpoint on them. You'd know and accept this if you didn't have mental issues. Yet you keep trying to push them onto a whole community

>>6959052
i disagree
ai just is the devil

>>6959053
>telling you to do self reflection is manipulation
you know, after pages of your blabbering and rampant austim I shouldn't expect you to do beyond-surface level reading or to be genuine. I'd prefer it was the former instead of you being a manipulative cunt.

>>6959062
if ai is the devil, will you simply let the world burn while the devil dances? what is your gameplan? will you ignore everything?

>>6959055
am i supposed to not call you a shizo for believing i'm responsible for all the AI posting on /ic/?
but nah i'm totally lying to you bro. see that anon over there? that's actually me. or maybe i'm just saying that to play further mindgames on you. :)
it would be funny if it wasn't genuinely sad at this point.

well, day is over. i'll make something similar next week.
and maybe some smaller posts over the weekend. i hope more people play along then.

>>6959053
oh no were the anons mean to you and you got angry? aren't you a perfect little angel

Also you've been here for a long time by the sounds of it yet your drawings are bad, your rendering is non-existent and you're using and trying to push AI here? Speaks words about you and your motives. I bet you quit drawing and only just picked it up again when AI could do all the shit you're too lazy to fucking learn and do

>>6959061
Anon, we have been reasonable with him
We gave him a lot of chances
But he keeps doing this shit over and over and over
He lost any good will he has been given, since every single time you don't agree with him or actually debunk his shit, he goes full on sperg mode and cries about luddites and people not wanting to talk with him
>>6959066
i will cum and shit

>>6959069
reality check: anon complained about me doing insults.
he didn't like me going for insults :(

>>6959043
AI threads always trigger monumental sperg-outs AND NONE OF YOU FAGGOTS KNOW HOW TO SAGE! Everyone in this thread can be considered trolled including me.

>REALITY CHECK GAISE
>WELL HE POOPOO HEAD ME BUT I OWNED HIM LOL HATERS LMAO
same energy

>>6959067
hm, also it looks like the archive doesn't go as far back as to include the first /alt/ OPs. i can't find >>6959067 at least.

bye retards.

>>6959076
ai discussion simply must be had. you cannot avoid it. /ic/ must discuss ai or else there won't be any conclusion.

>>6959076
ngl
i like being epically trolled
is my fetish

>>6959067
yes point us toward the bogeyman accusing you of making every AI thread. by all means reframe it in a way that serves your purpose. personally I doubt you've made every AI threads but I'm certain you're in most and ready to annoy. you might call people schizo for seeing patterns but that doesn't preclude their existence

>>6959081
I can't tell if you're the aibro or if you're being ironic lmao

>>6959076
sageing is not problem it's the fact he can still bump it that's the problem
Honestly bumping other threads right now just gonna be better

>>6959067
>>6959080
You're making me sift through old files, I wonder who you could be. I have you saved somewhere and I think I know who you are I just need to find that one drawing.

>>6959074
>autist still can't puzzle out why he was insulted to begin with
>can't remember his bouts of insult in other threads;
>can't conceive he might have burned most bridges
>tries to act like a smart ass when his obvious attempt at swinging the optic in his favor isn't believed for one second.

>>6959080
>bye retards.
same time tomorrow? I'm sorry you gave up on the craft

>>6959089
>>6959080
Ah here we go, it's been a while hasn't it.

>>6959081
>ai discussion simply must be had
No... they are not ready

>>6959087
i am simply facilitating healthy discussion of ai, with all its flaws and virtues. /ic/ tends to vehemently oppose any discussion at all; which is not to be desired.

could have used more human-made cats

>>6959098
AI-proponents only have themselves to blame and aren't victims in any way

>>6959104
blame for what?

>>6959105
the gardener diddling them

>>6959084
yes i am in most. but i also use my trip, or start using my trip when an argument begins.
in this very thread there is chain of arguments where people treat that anon as if he's me.
am i wrong in calling that behaviour shizo?

i literally use a nameless trip for the SOLE REASON of having more clear arguments, and not having my viewpoints and such mixed up.
of course that doesn't work if people are being complete shizos.

>>6959090
you don't seem to understand.
>anon complains about insults >>6959019
>i tell him to look in the mirror >>6959029
this is all it is. so yes, i've never complained about my treatment here. i'm somehow still here after all.
anon on the other hand, complained about me throwing insults 300 posts into a thread where i mostly ignored everything other than the on-topic challenges.

but you people really just go along with the flow huh? you saw >>6959077 and immediately just believed his narrative. maybe master manipulator anon is right...

>>6959096
Of course it's a beg anime loli shitter
>>6959111
Don't you have your dementia suffering mother to molest or something, Chris?
You're through, it's over man, no one believes you.
Take the (you) and hang yourself, retard.

another great AI thread
fucking retards

>>6959113
>Of course it's a beg anime loli shitter
Where are your manners, you're replying to one of the pioneers of this shit board.

>>6959111
>anon on the other hand, complained about me throwing insults 300 posts into a thread
you were being made fun of and are too autistic to see it. you paint yourself as the victim like this thread exists in a vacuum.
>i'm somehow still here after all
because it has been established you're just an attention whore

>>6959098
yeah.
luddite is really a fitting insult.
because the luddites at the time also thought there was meaning in destroying the machines. as if that would put the genie back into the bottle.

so here they are, saying this and that, but OBJECTIVELY all they're trying to do is to just stop people from talking about it and sharing shit like pic related.
you people are getting heated over me posting about AI. do you ever wonder why? and why you don't just ignore and filter me?

>>6959118
am i a transphobe now? oh no

>>6959111
>where i mostly ignored everything other than the on-topic challenges.
you mass replied as you always do and again you try to paint yourself as blameless what you're doing is just "I'm not touching you". even such challenges can be put into question given your track record.

it's getting frustrating how nobody here has any reading comprehension.

>>6959113
that's another anon from back then. are you ESL or why do you have so much trouble following reply chains?