/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6954990
Remember:
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and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

Tried Reilly method for an imagination portrait. Blarg

THE POWER OF COOM GIVES ME THE STRENGTH TO DRAW EVERY DAY

What if we are all inside an anime right now?

Beginner artist faces a block where he feels he is not making any progress. Fed up, because he feels like he is wasting time, he tries urban sketching to gain a new perspective. Outside, he meets many new people, an art collective that is eager to include him, and an interested woman appears, however, seizing the new opportunities forces him to face his past that he has been running from.

>>6955014

>>6955011
beautiful

>Can finally draw after two weeks
Finally
I'm pretty happy of my Timothé, what do you think? (Bottom right)

Kill me beg. KIIIIIILL MEEEEEE

>>6955002
i am not sure what more do you expect from such shitty medium like cheap pencil is. IMHO you already maxxed out skill for that medium. If you want it more detailed or fancier you gotta cheat and bring new tools: precise eraser, knife for making long sharp surfaces on the lead ala charcoal, more different pencils for better values and even q-tips (the thingy you stick into ear) for blending
>>6955027
i think his arm is too short unless you wanted to draw in foreshortened at an angle, in that case the foreshortening isnt clear. When you were drawing the logo you broke the forms and lighting. Next time simply draw his suit like its all from latex, then draw the white shape on new layer and playing with opacity and layer blend modes until you find one where it "sums" up both layers nicely
>>6953679
>pawell, i don't think this is going to help you, grinding mistakes and pushing through isnt part of learning
alright mister anon, what do you think i should be doing? Not drawing? Every single book or guide i came across said the same thing: you get better at drawing X by repeatedly drawing X.

>>6955084
cool symbols

>>6954996
kill yourself

>>6955099
pyw

>>6955084
>what do you think i should be doing?
told you already you need the Reilly method. loomis is a joke.
>you get better at drawing X by repeatedly drawing X.
it is as you say. and you are drawing retarded loomis blooks that teach you absolutely nothing in relation to actual human heads. you are wasting your time with this.
drop the loomis shit now is what i recommend.

>>6955014
I'm the nameless background character who fucks up and fails the art school entrance exam

Its been a lil bit since I’ve drawn. Not my best gesture sketches, tryna find good references on bara-esque bodies. Trying to work out how the spine works in tangent to the ribcage and pelvis. I can draw boxes/shapes fine, its the proportioning which gets a bit confusing.

>>6955084

good to see your stuff Powell. Seeing your stuff always motivate me to draw.

I'm very early in learning digital art and wanted to know what kind of workflows people use to color.
I've seen three major styles so far being shading over flats with grayscale, laying flats down and blending new colors using blending layers, and starting with colors skipping lineart then blending.
I know there are probably many other workflows and styles but does this seem right for some of the major popular ways to do it?

>>6955182

>>6955185

>>6955084
Quality over quantity. Stop rushing through study material, slow down, get accurate. It's like you are doing it just to say you've done it and you don't take enough time to internalize anything.

>does a bunch of books and courses over a year
>starts loomis
>immediately and noticeably regresses

>>6955204
He chose the wrong Loomis. Figure drawing for all it's worth is where it's at.

>>6955027
bro if you want capshit, you need to go full capshit with all the exaggerated anatomy
otherwise it will look like some random dude cosplaying as Venom

A redraw I did for someone alongside some critique. I outlined clear steps of the process for them to apply to simpler subjects so they build up small victories.

>>6955222
This is really nice anon, very good shape design. Also like how clear the edges are

Charcoal is fun as fuck, especially carving with the kneaded eraser, and smudging with the fingers.

I will say, it would have looked better if the shades there were no gradients in the shades, but since I was experimenting with the medium, I dont mind. Also, I guess that is way harder this way compared to graphite pencil

>>6955123
You would be Kenji Hachiro from Blue Period manga. He failed the entrance exam and completely gave up, tthen tried agian in his late 20s and made it

>>6955044
really dig it, esp. bottom left

>>6955204
based schizo sketch

>>6955222
based

>>6955236
Love the expression and how you did the hair.

Attempting to learn gesture. A bit lost honestly, reading how it's done and watching videos of it being put into practice, it seems others will emphasize a single form with way more individual lines, say like 4 or so separate gestural lines to make up the whole of one leg. That's what i was trying to do with the first 4, but I got so fed up with bunk proportions and bad flow i did the last one by trying to simplify to the absolute most common denominator and while i like it a whole lot more, it feels like im missing the point.

>>6955222
Do you apply your softs before your hard edges?

>>6955222
I like his style (and yours too though it’s quite different) can see why you wanted to help. Hope it helps him improve!

>>6955204
loomis is the foundation. also dont do fun with a pencil do drawing the head and hands and the figure drawing book. good luck

>>6955261
Gesture lines don't have to follow contour, they can cut from one side of the form to the other.

Ok, so I bought constructive anatomy by bridgman, but then I found out that I should've started with bridgman's life drawing (the green one) and constructive anatomy is like the book I should do after that one? I'm definitely still gonna study this one but should I just get life drawing too for now?

>I bought
NGMI.
It's over for you.

>>6955261
>>6955270
Here's what I mean, more options for your lines.

>>6955273
Just draw lmao

average anti-coo m artist

how does one go about drawing clothing, everytime i watch speedpaints of it, it looks like black magic

>>6955285
Look like bara porn, you draw like a degenerate, genuinely disgusting

>>6955290

the fact that when you see muscularity, you think 'bara', says more about you than me

Am I a professional yet, I'm bored of being a neet, going to study Japanese and find myself a tall girlfriend.

>>6955282
I'll give it a go. Also, the top right red gesture piece is kinda what i meant. The gesture lines for the leg you circled is made up of a couple relatively complex lines, what i was trying to emulate, as opposed to if i had done it as i did my fourth attempt, id have done a single straight/slightly curved line from the hip to the foot.

I also don't really see why that line was chosen in the first place, like why gesture inside the leg there rather then follow through the ass down the bottom contour of the leg.

>>6955298
not him but I agree, your stuff looks like bara

>>6955306
well how do I make it not look bara?

Make sure to always have a process that you can reliably replicate, anons. If you find a process that you like or is new to you (although the overlap is immense), Take it slow. Get good at the first step of the process and start with simple subjects until you get good at those. Then move onto the next step of the process.

>>6955236
Thanks Anon. Nice charcoal drawing. I think planar analysis of the head and skull would bring you a long way to making more confident and interesting marks. The line that you have on the edge of the face lacks characteristics of muscle vs bone vs fat. Degas has a particularly nice reclining nude that I'm thinking of that would be perfect for this. This channel is pretty decent too
https://www.youtube.com/@fineart-academy/videos

>>6955230
Thanks. I figured since I'm trying to communicate to another person to be explicit in what I'm doing. I don't normally decide to paint in this manner or use layers so rigidly but had to separate them to make the process obvious in pic related

>>6955263
Normally, I go straight into softening my middle value into my light and shadow. Here I chose to soften them a little later during the overpainting phase and did so by picking a color between the middle value and light value.

>>6955264
I find it difficult to help them since I don't know whether or not they practice as I advise them to. I'm not exactly in the same room or seeing them on video. I try telling this anon that they should focus on developing their accuracy and observation so they can emulate their favorite artist correctly, only for them to become distracted by superficial things like anatomy or style. I find that anons seem to worry about style when they really shouldn't, the word seems to get in the way of their artistic development. Style is a natural occurrence of what information you've digested and assimilated. It is a matter of training rather than taste. Practice what you enjoy and it will come.

>>6955300
kino

can anyone give me some pointers on which plates from drawing the head and hands should i actually bother with? loomis doesn't do a great job and a lot of it still has the problem of "finish the rest of the fucking drawing"

>>6955311
mostly it's the muscles and proportions. biggest thing you need to avoid is the big, round 'bubbly' muscles, especially the chest and shoulders. try for more sharp, defined edges. the small head and softer facial features also scream bara.
look up some fanart of muscly characters, for a lot of them you can instantly tell which ones are made to be homo-erotic and are in the bara style. although there will always be a bit of a grey zone because of the common traits.

am i int or beg

>>6955332
wtf is her hair supposed to be doing? other than that I'd say you're an int

>>6955311
There's a lot of western comic artists who exaggerate their anatomy, but do not quite resemble Bara (you can check out John Byrne, for example)

>>6955311
Not either of them, but muscle separation between the pectorals, and less volume throughout the pec.

>>6955333
just anime hair

>>6955315
shit, great stuff man. quality post. saved for later studying.

>>6955328
Well I'm keeping the small head because the guy's supposed to be super tall.

>>6955315
Saved, thanks for making this.

>>6955344
I did this with the gallery editing on my phone, so it's shit (and would have been shit if I did it in CSP as well, but I digress). Try transitioning a darker shade starting rom the separation point at the sternum and going out a bit, see what that looks like.

>>6955334
(muscle guy) Ryan Ottley's pretty good for this imo, atleast for the proportions i'm trying to go for

>>6955352
These are abominable pecs and just go in the opposite direction of shit, desu.

>>6955315
please mentor me

>>6955351>>6955328
??

Day 25 of learning the basics n whatnot. Still more doodles, still more crappy portraits/head stuff, and still trying to get used to this tablet. Learned today that i really suck at facial features and capturing the likeness of people in general lmao. i need to set a day for practicing each facial feature by itself.

>>6955380
> Draws crabs for the crab magnet thread
Kek.

who did it better me or Michelangelo

(joke)

crits on this wip tho?

i just realized i drew the image on the wrong side...

FUCK

>>6955371
Looks a lot more natural now. Strong fit, not baradaddy anymore.

>Go west!
baby, you and me
>Go west!
this is our destiny
>Go west!
Sun and winter time
>Go west!
we will do just fine
>Go west!
where the skies are blue
>Go west!
this is what we're gonna do!

I for one see nothing wrong with the bara daddy build.

>>6955428
/co/ is 3 blocks down, pussy

>>6955428
Oh! To the west, you don't know what it is you're running from
And everybody's laughing loud
Your last chance to make your mother and your father proud

>>6955429
I want my art to be cool and non-sexual

>>6955432
it's only sexual because those 2 are degens. no "normal" person is gonna look at that and think of hyper-sexualized buff dudes

Upper torso practice also trying new brushes

Mhhh yeah today I'm gonna draw some hot porn

>>6955311
smaller waist, taper the torso as it goes down

>>6955440
This guy's supposed to have a big waist, he's meant to have squarish shape language to denote durability and sturdiness.

>>6955432
looks less bara

>>6955433
even yandex can tell dude

>>6955443
have you considered that youre actually *trying* to draw bara? not that theres even anything necessarily wrong with bara, but if youre hung up on the tiny head and square build then... i mean...

>>6955027
make the hand and arm WAY bigger
looks like a calm fist bump, not a punch

>>6955445
It's a common build for strongmen dude. Maybe you're the degen if you can't separate a strength build from bara.

>>6955286
nvm i just scribbled on it until i rage quit, i'm never drawing again

>>6955447
i was answering your question "how do i make it look less bara". i am a straight man, i dont give a shit about bara. if you like your work then keep doing it, it looks good. there really isnt a problem here unless youre repulsed by the idea of people that enjoy bara finding your character art hot.

>>6955447
Ok. Here’s a western bara pic of Zangief

why the fuck is this greenish all of a sudden in krita?

>>6955453
And here’s a non bara picture. You’re drawing in a bara style. Try to look at fanart and distinct why some pictures are bara and the others aren’t.

>>6955431
I'm out there
somewhere

>>6955432
personally, when your rendering reads as soft, marshmallow like muscles i start thinking bara

>>6955453
Also this one is less bara looking than actual deliberate bara artists but it’s still pretty bara. Probably because the artist is a gay man who loves buff guys but he does professional art, not porn.

>>6955453
>>6955455
nta but fuck i cant even tell the difference. do i have to start studying gay porn now? did loomis write a book on bara?

Was watching drawing for experienced beginners by marco bucci and when it comes to building a figure he shows himself and vilppu using boxes but they both put the corners of the box exactly at the tip of the shoulder. How do you go from that to advancing the figure? Are you not supposed to use that for beginning a figure drawing then?

>>6955459
No it’s just like >>6955457 said baras love the marshmallow muscle look. Like the first picture would still appeal to normies who don’t know what bara is but it’ll attract gay dudes too more than the second one.

>>6955454
nvm I figured it out, wrong color model (it was set to XYZ and not RGB)

>>6955192
that's all he does, he rushes through books and then gives half-assed reviews of them

Hello /beg/! I tried putting colors on my new artwork! I also tried experimenting with the alpha lock and using a reference like the anons on the last thread told me. I hope I improve even a little bit from my last work >>6952591

I don't know what the fuck I am doing or even why I drew this. Too lazy to open reference, I feel stuck and unmotivated.

>>6955448
woah this looks cool

>>6955475
If you're unmotivated..why even draw in the first place? You should draw stuff that motivates you anon.

>>6955285
Great stuff, I can easily cum to this

>>6955432
That little section right where the xiphoid process is, darken him up just the slightest and start your ab separation just the slightest bit wider there. The pecs look great.

week's studies.

Any quick tips on how to get better at facial expressions ?

>>6955485
I do enjoy doodling like this, but there is no structure to it and I don't even think about what I am going to draw. It's a little bit like mindlessly playing vidya for me. As soon as I try to apply myself and try to make something nice, I start hating the whole process.

>>6955504
those are some clean fucking lines anon. good job.

>>6955506
Stop hating and start loving, it doesn't matter that it looks bad or beg, that is part ofthe process. You won't magically become a good artist, everything takes sweat blood and tears, for every skill there is. Look at your drawing and ask yourself why it looks bad, what you can improve, and then learn about that. There is no shame in being bad. If you give up, that is the shame. You just need to keep going and self critique in a good and constructive way. As so many said, talk to yourself like you would talk to your son or your younger self when they drew something. Always be positive and never negative, there are studies that literally researched this stuff, you always need to be able to take critique, but also encourage yourself to keep going, it's a balance. Black and white thinking is bad, use your brain and be logical and good. Amen.

>>6955505
Make an exaggerated version of the expression yourself and look in the mirror. Helps when drawing

>>6955517
Forgot to take perspective into account in the previous attempt, going to refine this a little to see if i can get make a convincing look

study of this one painting by some spanish nobody

I got my meds changed and I have enough energy to draw again
>>6955516
this looks neat
>>6955551
love the contrast on this

>>6955558
cute boobies

>>6955380
Good to see you back again anon

>>6955014
This post lives rent free in my head

>>6955517
i think i'm getting a hang of this. gottta move on from anime expressions

>>6955243
>>6955473
>>6955475
>>6955573
ngmi

my art didnt get as many twitter likes as I hoped...

FWAP FWAP FWAP
GIT GUD GIT GUD GIT GUD

>>6955473
i was also at this point ~6months ago and while i'm still very beg the difference is crazy
my best advice from one beg to another:
practice fundies
keep on grinding
enjoy what you draw
dont over-draw and burn yourself out, learning is very very slow process
personally when I start getting frustrated with my drawing skills its usually a sign of an imminent breakthrough in skill

godspeed

https://voca.ro/1oV5gaJJ7aq2

loomis is a joke
Reilly is king

today I drew not porn

>>6955507
looks like he's mid morph into a family guy character or something
I curse you with veggie omelette

so. this is it. 4 years, many resources, scoured through the usual suspects of beg books, attempted exercises over and over and over, watched hundreds of youtube 'tutorials', quit a few dozen times, came back even more times, even did drawabox until it got too hard.
and what have i learned so far? how to draw a box. a good box? no, don't be ridiculous, but a box nonetheless.
so i'm calling it. this will be my final stand. tonight, i'm going to start the video course version of picrel. if, perchance, weeks, months or years into the future when i finish this course, if i STILL can't draw anything that even remotely resembles what i want to draw (furry bitches), i am going to use myself as a case study into how not anyone can draw. i'm starting to believe talent is real and i don't have it.
if i fail the last thing i've found that i can potentially use, i don't want to hear a god damn thing from this board about 'ANYONE CAN DRAW, JUST DRAW HOWIE'.
but i pray that won't be the case.
here's hoping, anons. cheers

>>6955110
make a finished work with it faggot

>>6955384
Nice, gmi

>>6955716
before you give up last time go on an LSD/shroom trip then try drawing again and if it still doesn't work out you are free to do whatever

>>6955448
looks cool, just needs something something to make you focus on the face despite the darkness

>>6955700
>/ic/ niggas do this for years before they allow themselves to draw one (1) anime girl

This is a legitimate question. How do you stop masturbating while drawing?
I'm only doing construction and then I have to stop while thinking about breasts.

>>6955794
Chew gum and keep your mind too busy with music.

Anons please help! Which way do I go? Try fighting for realism and do my best work, or keep it angular, value-separated, a bit like a cubist artwork?

(I would spend 2 more hours to accurately nail down the shadows and lines)

>>6955818
It depends, what's you're goal?

If you want to practice value control over a flat shape, the proko exercise is fantastic in attempting to achieve even tones as well as make interesting decisions regarding the shapes themselves. If you want to keep doing what you're doing, research how light falls on form. Plenty of books on this, Steven Zapata has a course on shading. Simplify drawing and Painting has constant reminders in his videos on keeping values organized regardless of hues.

Look into Color and Light by James Gurney Page 46, he starts talking about modeling factors and the characteristics of each factor for the entirety of chapter 3. Pic related, Form light and Form shadow just refer to where the light is hitting the form and where it does not. The Marco Bucci video that's below calls this the light family and shadow family.
This is a great video regarding the modeling of form and is overall just fantastic information for painting and drawing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQ&t=613s&ab_channel=MarcoBucci

I also think edge control and variety is lacking in your work and that you should look to how other artists you enjoy create their edges, ideally in the same medium.

>>6955716
Have you tried drawing furry bitches instead?
Maybe you're failing because you don't want to draw birds or boxes so you half ass it and don't pick up anything because you don't give a shit about the subject you're drawing

>>6955716
if you reply to this poster, you're ngmi (excluding me ofc)

What do you guys think?

>>6955871
i have. only a few times. ironically, 'drawing what i want' creates the most repulsive images known to man. i get your thinking, keep drawing furry bitches, over and over, eventually down the line i'll get to draw a good one, yeah? but i just can't bring myself to do it. i can't teach myself how and there's no draw-a-bitch so i'm lost in that regard.
my mindset is to learn how to draw anything using methods that everyone here shills, but so far i've just got a box and no method i know to refine that box down to literally anything else.
>>6955877
thanks anon.

How is it that I can think my drawing looks OK one way, but mirroring it everything goes to shit?

>>6955923
because it is shit

small details = wrist
every other stuff that's not huge = arm
huge stuff = shoulder
is that right?

reilly anon, are you digital? your lines are very smooth, how do you do it?

>>6955711
yea i dont know how to draw eyes yet. also i made the forehead way too small. but im glad you recognized it at least.

>>6955959
default pencil brush in photoshop that reacts to the angle youre holding the pen (cc 2015 if that matters)

>>6955937
But why does it look OK one way to me? Am I retarded?

>>6956005
you could be

>>6956005
if it looks bad mirrored, it'll look bad unmirrored
all that's happening is just you getting used to how it looks unmirrored

question to the lion's mane shroom anon, what dosage do you recommend? i got hericium extract and this has 500mg per capsule and it just says to take one, but online i'm seeing 1,5g-3g dosages recommended

>>6956024
doesnt matter what dosage, its all equally retarded and will inflict equal amount of braindamage.
have fun.

>>6956005
you never see raw light data, there lot of information postprocessing, render optimizations and prediction happens. whole optical illusion thing is based on fooling with these post processing algorithms. mirroring(or switching attention for some time ) helps to reset it somewhat. if it looks wrong mirrored it most likely what other will see and what you persevered before was brain playing tricks with you. mirrored images are identical.

>>6955014
I'm in the "balls deep in your mom" arc

>>6955610
how did i dodge this post?

>>6956026
thanks for your input str8 edge anon i ended up taking 3 capsules

Hello im trying to practice composition for a painting i want to make. I’m trying to convey a peaceful yet mysterious forest grove scene with the focal point being the bottom left. Then a circle of flowers around it, with trees overhead and beams of light shining. Any help would be appreciated. Perspective is not my strong suit either so it all looks kind of flat to me.

Aaaaand I fucked up my drawing. Much prefer the before picture.

>>6955862
thank you for very detailed answer. I decided I was just trying to have fun and got a bit lazy but these will be definitely handy on my next piece

>>6955886
I am thinking: based

>>6956109
Also, why is the new drawing (the one with toned background) so hard to look at? Like the before pic is easy on the eye, the new one, it almost hurts my eyes. Is it the patchiness of the tones?

Creation of Adam in my artstyle, all done.

any critiques before i post on socials?

>>6956115
you don't use any gradients in the foreground aspects so why is the background nothing but gradients?

>>6956115
i am, but a shitty beg, so feel free to tell me to fuck of; imo the background is a really big distraction and takes away from the 2 characters, considering how well done they are compared to it. it's like you did the background in ms paint.

6955610
go play your video games and watch your content, no draw

>>6956109
Good study anon.
You got too hyperfocused on defining the value groups that you ended up muddying them together.
Squint your eyes more and keep grinding these studies, you'll be making gains in no time!

>>6956135
Thank you! Do you think it would somewhat save the drawing if I carefully made the background one even tone, or better to just move on with life?

>>6956140
No. The values (esp. midtones) are more or less fucked. It would be better to just start with a new study.

>>6956129
i admit i did rush the background because i was drawing this at 5 am lol. how do you think i could improve the background and make it less distracting

>>6956154
unironically go watch Bob Ross paint a sky

>>6956154
just group the clouds together to help contrast the figure

>>6956115
Get rid of your shitty colors and post this as lineart. Improve the quality of the rock - doesn't match at all. Did you really draw this? It's incredibly inconsistent.

Either that or render everything better. The background is complete and utter garbage. The clouds aren't even close to being on-style. It just screams "I gave up"

>>6955818
>>6956109
You could also try to combine them stylistically

>>6956202
very soulful expression lol

>>6955504
That's not beg anymore. How long did you draw? How old? Japanese?

>>6955380
did your new tablet arrive yet or is this still the one you're borrowing from a friend?

I did not draw today either.

>>6956191
alr bro jeez

>>6956163
could you give me an example please?

>>6955610
Who ordered the super-ultra-mickey-hampton-spergout-deluxe

>>6956215
the new one. it's been bretty good so far, but there's a weird stuttering problem on the top part of the screen

>>6955460
Anyone? Im just gonna guess I should try and use more organic shapes instead then with lil circles for shoulder and leg joint but boxes seems nice because it really shows those planes

>>6956247
Sorry anon, not trying to be super harsh. Your lines are really nice, but you need to do it justice. Way more appealing as it is here. You can cel shade if you want to, but the bg had to go. Coloring also highlighted the unfinished feet

>>6956290
Drivers? Even my wacom has issues sometimes

>>6956327
yeaah, i'll try reinstalling again later.. I've reinstalled them about 3 times now; which fixed some other problems, but the stuttering continues.

>>6955011
What's the book you're working from?

>>6955460
>>6956321
im not even sure what you are confused by. dont get so autistic about it, the boxes arent the endgoal so use whatever works best for you

>>6956202
i love tight dresses man

There are days when I can draw hands good, but others I can't.
Any advice?

>>6956385
only draw hands on those days

Daily reminder that porn is not art

>>6956385
There are days I can give good advice and others I can't... Hands are just hard man, even pros mess them up at times.

>>6954990
anons, how tf bargue plates are helpful to an artist? specially a beg?

>>6956524
practicing observation. it's easier than drawing from life

Tomorrow is the day.
I'm going to do Loomis again and switch to proko bean when i get bored with that. Could've done it today but it is what it is.

>>6956220
>>6956385
>>6955716
>>6955619
>>6955204
>Subdue the regret. Dust yourself off, proceed. You'll get it in the next life, where you don't make mistakes. Do what you can with this one, while you're alive

how could this have looked more "graffiti-esque"? I've been trying to develop a style that looks like graffiti, but I can't really find any artists for inspo other than actual graffiti artists, who only do text or extremely abstract nonsense that I can't really examine

>>6956528
and how I carry that into construction? you have to copy the plates,but what do when you need to construct the body shape?

>>6956547
maybe try getting some spraycans and drawing what you want with those, then copy what it looks like

just finished this rough sketch

any crits on the anatomy or figure?

>>6956558
>>6956524
NTA but this is my work: >>6956109
I really liked Bargue Plates, the method of construction is exactly what I use to construct stuff. Im not going to explain this one, just watch a video, but basically you are working with very few lines first, no curves and then gradually get more specific
Another thing that helped me is Bargue showed me that I dont need to render hard to make a good work, some of the plates just have two values, white and black and they look epic as fuck.
Honestly just do your research, I mean, Bargue Plates are about copying, there's a lot more to that process than it sounds at first.

>>6956623
dawg it’s time to work on your colors they suck in comparison

>>6955084
It's been over a year bro, it's time to put down Loomis.

Stinky

>>6956633
wtf is that texture

>>6955084
Pawell, now that you have created your own game what is your next endgame?

trying to rotate figures to get a feel of them, I fucked up the angle on one of them tho

>>6956623
you should work on the forms of some of the muscles more, like the serratus I can see in the original painting that it curves over the ribcage because of the viewing angle, similarly you drew the far pectoral with a curve that I don't think is accurate, it's not flexed so it should just be flowing into the shape of the delt rather than bulging. also regarding the serratus: more of it should be be visible since it inserts into the upper oblique further towards the abs. the forms of the abs themselves are too flat as well.

i WILL draw tomorrow.

i know im improving, but boy we got work to do still. wanted to try a more difficult angle.

>>6956202
i like this. reminds me that i should eventually practice value keying. looks good anon.
>>6956267
much better than what i can do, though id think since the model has tan lines, using those as a kinda frame of reference for how her hips should be angled.
>>6956586
aesthetically i think its nice, though my main concern is with how the plane below them looks. otherwise looks like you had fun making it.
>>6956677
definitely look like convincing 3d forms to me. only thing id also try doing is twisting the hips and ribcage in conflicting directions to get a better feel of the flow of the model.

>>6956586

tried applying loomis to random egirls from pinterest but it just resulted in tears
tried watching some more tutorials on head construction and I could follow along well enough but I'm scared to go back to the egirls again

>>6956729
why would you start with women, they're the hardest fucking thing to draw.

If you want to learn you will have to resort to autistic measures like drawing pin-up girls for hours a day for few months.
Women are hard as fuck to capture.

What about contrapposto makes the pose feel more attractive than a pose with equally spread weight?

>>6956677
draw a grid as the floor and imagine your subject rotating over a lazy susan it will help you.

>>6956747
symmetry is boring

>>6956625
thanks anon, so it's safe to study constructive drawing along with bargue?

>>6956736
i just wanted to practice constructing from reference but nothing would line up, i tried tracing construction right over the references too but still the measurements wouldn't line up
i assumed there was something wrong with my fundamental understanding of the entire construction process that's why i looked for more tutorials on how to do it

>>6956747
Contraposto is more true to life generally. It's not natural for a person to stay in a neutral position for an extended period of time, especially if standing and even more so when in motion

>It's been a while since I posted in /beg/, might as well post what I drew today
>ngmi is the only response

man. fuck. i would rather get no replies than this shit

been drawing more lately. still focusing on portraits. working through keys to drawing on the side

yall gonna see my progress real time

>>6956794
weak

>>6956799
alright

>>6956364
Yeah they arent the end goal but they are the start to it, how do you transition from box to a fleshed out figure? They never show it

>>6956547
nothing about this brings graffiti to my mind, study and watch graffiti timelapses, things I have noticed from watching some people IRL:
- stencils means that the line art will be always broken
- they use plates or paper sheets to mask the paint can in order to control the the diffuse area of the spray.
- the distance between the can and the wall relates in how focus or diffuse the spray is
- when they paint is always in short strokes and following the form like bandages.

women

>>6956794
You gotta keep your head up and practice, dont listen to the crab, your hard work will be blessef witb (You)s

>>6956835
*shakes head knowingly, chuckles*
women

>>6956794

>drawing women
Drawing men bearing a burden is so much easier. Also I cannot foreshorten for shit.

>>6956798
good effort, anon. the jaw and chin suggest the head is tilted a bit but the eyes are straight.

drew my sister now I want to fuck her

Hello bros. Oldfag here who hasn't touched a pencil in 2 or 3 years. Sorry for the long post but I feel utterly stuck. These are some drawings, all from imagination with no reference. I feel like I don't have the patience and fortitude to push through and there are far too many issues I have to work on. A few glaring issues
>horrible lineart
>have issues drawing what I see and especially with proportions
My objectives
>concept art an character design with an ability to switch styles, both to make cool monsters and thicc anime gals
>make a few hundred bucks per month with art
>eventually get into painting and comics
I dunno drawing is something I always have in the back of my mind but whenever I sit down to do it I feel utterly lost and worthless

>>6955290
Ngmi

>>6956866
>drawing men carrying a burden is easier
Of course, it is easier to draw what youre familiar with...i wish things werent such a burden...

>>6956898
draw from reference then dumbass you can’t draw what you don’t know. then draw later without ref

>>6956898
Your stuff is pretty good, you're being too hard on yourself. I think trying one of these might help you a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM895CO1E3I2LVlojISHjmbwwZIDl8pBh

>>6956893
ask her to model for you

started this back in april or may but never ended up finishing it, am i gmi?

>>6956914
sure after grinding hands

>>6956916
hands look fine to me

>>6956909
Of course, this was mainly to showcase my current skill level relative to my objectives.
I have a few hundred pages filled with hand exercises, boxes and perspective, Peter Han's organic shapes, quick gesture drawings, anatomy and sketches from imagination. I want to finally be able to publish my stuff and maybe try to get a commission here and there, I feel like I'm somewhat close but still too far. Tried drawing stuff I like to motivate myself but I always get utterly lost by the complexity and my inability to capture the construction.
>>6956911
Thanks, didn't know about Zapata having a channel. I'll check it.

>>6956914
>Whether your gmi or ngmi soley depends on how long you've been drawing.

So Anon, how long have you been drawing?

>>6956881
>>6956881
brooooo you are so right. i missed that. thanks for pointing out what i couldn’t see. i compared them side by side and i think i got the eye to nose proportion right, and the placement on the head correct. everything else a bit off. forehead too tall, etc

id post the reference but 4chan isn’t letting me upload it for some reason

>>6956952
try mirroring your art periodically so you dont get desensitized to it. even looking at it now as i type im noticing it less and less.
i see you drew a loomis head. you can tell the head should be straight because the brow line is perfectly horizontal, and foreshortening would actually cause the chin and mouth to tilt to the upper left of your picture (or towards the horizon, if you want to think of it that way) instead of to the upper right like it is now, but overall the effect would be very subtle at a typical focal length.

>>6955315
Please blog.

i used your guy's crit and hopefully* improved on the anatomy

>>6956993
it looks good but i still dont like what going on with his ribs.

>>6956993
also, you could bring in that line defining the left side of his torso, or honestly just get rid of it altogether. rn it kinda looks like theres a webbed muscle going from his armpit to his hip.

Day 25 of learning the basics n whatnot. lil bit of doolin, lil bit of head practice. chill day

>>6957004
v nice, i like the smug toucan

>>6957004
meant DAY 26. heck

>>6956993
are you Marc?

>>6956993
draw the feet

Hello beg. LOOMIS!

>>6956898
>horrible lineart
use fine liner instead of dull pencil
>have issues drawing what I see
keys to drawing, first few chapters are just about that
>>6956866
your woman is coomable
>>6956851
lol
>>6956798
push a little less with the pencil or you will get carpal tunnel
>>6956659
1. it is not my game, i just did art + QA for it
2. my NOW goal is to learn how to draw a figure which i wont feel like gouging my eyes when looking at it without reference
3. my NEXT DECADE goal is to still make VIDEOgame
>>6956633
upgrade your medium, get some ink or charcoal or start knifing your pencils and using overhand grip, just look at this >>6956109 be like that anon and get charcoal or these fancy "carbon" sticks
>>6956524
it trains observation, accuracy and basic bitch rendering techniques plus it has god like style invented to pour itself into aspiring students of art to give you AESTHETICS. However that book is trash for learning purposes. Get keys to drawing instead
>>6956100
what i would do is to simply yandex photos of forests and whatever would catch my eye i would steal composition from it
>>6955923
mirroring is forcing your brain to reset and recalculate what it sees. Even trad artists use literal mirrors to check their canvases for errors
>>6955886
i kneel
>>6955818
you are drawer, you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can use style A on work days and style B on weekends. No rules, only tools and fools in art. IMHO drawers who only draw in 1 style are limiting their art growth
>>6955794
1 hand holds pencil, the other holds penis
>>6955551
I KNEEL
>>6955504
I kneel
>>6955409
coomable, but the hardware is really low quality
>>6955324
it is not possible to draw good art without attracting coomers to it. There are even deviants who are into old women with wrinkles and you want to draw men in peak physical form? All women will shlick to it

>>6956993
Looks sweet, but composition sucks. Sorry, maybe next time!

>>6957029
are you learning anything from doing all that

>>6956704
>though my main concern is with how the plane below them looks
>>6956726

Ah, it was supposed to be "random shape as background" thing. It didn't occur to me it looks like a floor. Oh well.

>>6956547
i have champloo up on my other monitor rn

>>6957072
the random shapes aren't random

>>6957029
it’s a mechanical pencil no matter how light i use it everything comes out hard as fuck

>>6956961
how do i mirror a drawing im doing in a sketchbook lol
also her head was tilted slightly down like the chin implies, i just didnt get the brows or eyes right :/

I'm so bad at figures, this is embarrassing.

>>6957096
Draw more, care less.

>>6957099
God is laughing at me for my shitty attempts, I feel bad trying anything

>>6957101
You care too much
Draw more, care less
Do timed figure sketches

>>6957087
>how do i mirror a drawing im doing in a sketchbook lol
look at it in a mirror.
>also her head was tilted slightly down like the chin implies
ah, then the brow line should reflect that.

>>6957101
then quit, pussy.

>>6957105
Ok

>>6957008
yea. but how do you people always find me wtf. my art doesnt even look the same from a couple of months ago and i only post once or twice a month

>>6957027
do it for me anon

>>6956999
maybe it my brain but i dont rally know what i could do to "fix" it.

it must be a lack of experience ig, since ive only been drawing for 3 years

>>6957003
yea i see what you mean here. ill get rid of it

>>6957031
bro just disrespected Michelangelo

>>6957121
It’s not the same composition at all. And try drawing something original next time.

>>6957113
You've improved both as a person and an artist, gmi buddy

>>6957096
>>6957101
>>6957108

>>6957029
>that book is trash for learning purposes. Get keys to drawing instead
>implying keys is good for learning
>implying any book is good for learning

>>6956589
>>6956833
when I said graffiti-esque I didn't mean simulating how a can of spray paints on a wall you eggheaded fucking retards, I was specifically talking about style itself and not "teach me how spray paint works :DDDDD". knuckle dragging pseudo intellectual spastics, spray paint isn't all that special in how it works and it can be used the same way as any other type of paint, it doesn't merit a style of it's own.

I was (obviously) asking regarding the linework of graffiti/tags and how the general aesthetic of that can be applied to full on complete drawings, but you just have to pretend to be retarded in order to dodge the actual question and score your retarded intellectual points by answering the fucking obvious

"le hurr, try actual spray paint bro" fucking monkeys

it finally clicked. if you don't plan on rendering, just use as few lines as possible when it comes to the nose and lips. also don't connect the lip lines or do it with soft lines. i can finally SEE. can't wait to draw when i wake up

>>6957146
take a chill pill, aut. if two different anons misunderstood you then that is your own fault.

>>6957146
shit ngmi attitude

>>6957151
gmi attitude

>>6956386

>>6957157
yes it's my fucking fault everyone and their grandma on this fucking website is out to nitpick and "misunderstand" everything said just so they can spout some unrelated shit and feel smart,

>>6957158
kys you "civilized" cucklord

>>6957161
you're having a melty over literally nothing. I can see getting mad at the first anon for saying to try and draw with spray paint, but that second anon literally gave you a valid reply to help you, you dumb nigger.

>>6957146
>I was (obviously) asking regarding the linework
kek I don't know my first point wasn't even bout the spray it was about literally the linework having gaps due to the usage of stencils.

But I guess this huff is part of your graffiti phase, you will outgrow it eventually, have fun dude.

>>6955355
He's an alien tho

>>6955663
You sound like Jordan from spirit science

Just finished copying Morpho simple forms. Going to bed now. Goodnight frens

>>6956547
>>6957146
Look at stencil shit; value distillations.

>>6956803
The box is there more as a guideline to keep things parallel and in perspective. The box also helps in visualizing the volumes of the shoulders and chest in the right orientation. Experienced artists are very familiar with the forms of the body and are able to just draw them on top of the box.

>>6954990
Any advice on how to improve this? I am trying to take inspiration from Tetsuya Nomura, but I'm a dogshit artist so everything in my head comes out bad.

>>6957188
>>6957323
excuse my monkey rage

its fucking over. I had a dream where I was hanging out with friends but I woke up and realized Im a lonely, friendless mentally ill loser. I overthink everything, I hate myself, and I have no drive. Drawing was supposed to be my refuge, but it is only a reminder that everything in life is a burden. why is life so hard on me bros

a most simple undertaking, with the Reilly method that is.

>>6956798
alright gamers here's my self critique:
Beginng, Loomis stage
- Vertical center line didn't completely get the tilt correct
- Circle representing skull minus jaw was too wide I believe
- because of the vertical line not being tilted enough, the brow line I drew was horizontal, not taking into account the tilt

Post-Loomis
- Eyes were close to relative size but they were horizontal, and her right eye was too large, although the shape was kind of close
- Nose too small and didn't take the tilt into account, tip needed to be larger and more angled
- Lips look uncanny because they're too far from the nose and the lips were actually tilted correctly. The shape isn't too far off, either. Also relative size is pretty close if you look at where they parts meet relative to the eyeballs
- Brow isn't tilted and also the shape is way off. I did them last which sort of explains why I was finding the shape of them to be odd
- Chin too wide, probably due to messing up at the loomis stage
- I originally thought the forehead height was off, but I think it's pretty spot-on, it's just the head is too wide so it distorted the shape of it

If I missed anything feel free to chime in. I'm about to dive into another portrait practice

>loomis stage
drop that garbage and learn the Reilly method

>>6957569
post a finished work nigger

>>6957569
you can't just say 'Reilly method Reilly method Reilly method' what the FUCK is it

How do I use art to heal from my mental issues?

>>6957595
he did and it looked like some egon schiele shit

>>6957595
refer to the first post ITT nigger

>>6957569
anon who posted work here
i don’t think the method is super important, i’ve seen enough super skilled portrait artists use the loomis method to know that it’s a framework that helps as long as you have the practice

it’s not the method it’s my level of skill

>>6957136
pyw

>>6957628
kys

>>6957634
ladies first

>>6957628
>>6957634
>>6957641
STOP STOP!!! Can’t you see you’re tearing this thread apart!!!

>>6957656
>>6957641
pyw

>>6957628
pyw

I'm a defeated, traumatized pathetic loser full of self-hatred and overthinking. How do I use art to heal myself? can it do that?

>>6957677
go pity bait on reddit faggot

>>6957677
you can do it with the Reilly method

Been using a simplified Loomis method for a while now and just followed the first thing that popped up on youtube for the reilly method. Are you expected to use the full process every time you draw a head? It seems ok if you're studying or planning on painting, but for line drawing this seems overkill. Pictured is my first ever attempt.

>>6957683
>Are you expected to use the full process every time you draw a head?
no youre not and in fact you shouldnt. dont learn the Reilly method from shitty youtube, read Faragasso's book on it.

Oil pastels. I've been trying to find a good book that deals with pastels, anyone got some ideas?

>>6957683
no reilly shizo lines are more about the flow and rhythm, this is my faorite video on the topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th53JB38sIA&t=2955s&pp=ygUVcmVpbGx5IG1ldGhvZCBjYXJ0b29u

Man it's been a while since I drew...

Just kidding faggots its been 5 minutes since I last drew and I'm doing it again hahahahaha
Aaaaaahahahaha I'm drawing suck my dick crabs

>>6956946
7 years

>>6957739
based??

>>6957832
>>6957832
>>6957832
>>6957832
>>6957832

>>6957683
>>6957689
ngmi

>>6955315
I do not allow you to leave /ic/. You have to sit here and witness me grow and match you in skill.

>>6955099
It was obviously satire. Their last sentence says they will cry like a baby

>>6955002
You're almost there, but not quite.

Use a reference photo of a real woman for the shading and highlights of skin and hair. You may want to map out the form like some artists do to help them feel the form. Her jaw should have less of a curve. It looks like a waddle from age or being fat. Her hair needs more deep shadows and contrasting highlights. Right now it looks dull which makes her look like a middle aged poor woman or peasant. I maped the side of her face where the shading looks the most awkward. The shadow on her cheek needs to be moved down and curved outward not inward to mirror her other cheeks curve.

>>6955011
The anatomy is a horror show but I adore that shading. Hurry and improve so I can get your blog when you make it.

>>6955215
Sweet.

>>6955044
Really cool. I actually like girl in the bottom left and top right more. I like their big expressive body language.

>>6955084
Drop Loomis, read this. You might be struggling because copying makes you use the math side of your brain, not the art part. You have to learn to recognize when your using which side of your brain and how to switch back to the art part.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8VO-JQCy3HgelpRajdPY3RSXzg?resourcekey=0-7iamq2WLg5aaDd3T3I8e1w

>>6955187
Are you finishing anything? You have to practice everything at once. Make a full finished work with a background as often as you can. That's how you practice and learn everything at once. Use references if you need to. There's no shame in doing something successful artists do.

>>6955236
Very lovely.

>>6955243
Put the reference under your drawing.

>>6955261
The point is body language. Make big expressive body language. If you don't like, you don't have to do it. I prefer to make full fleshed out figures in dynamic poses over simple ones.

>>6955273
Do everything at once. It's a crab trick that you should learn in specific orders. They want you to feel fed up and burned out from trying to master things one thing at a time.