/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6946356
>Check out the webm to understand how bad they are

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>>6946356

how about Samsung S7FE, bigger than S6Lite?

Is the tab S6 lite (2022 edition) actually a good tablet to start drawing with? Was thinking of begging my mom to get me the S8+, but I need a new phone, so I’m thinking of asking for the S6 lite 2022 instead. I already have some cheapo screenless tablet and pen combo from Amazon I borrowed from a relative, but it’s too laggy and the pen seems awful.

Also what else should I buy to go with it? I’m thinking of a plastic film to go over it, maybe, and a drawing glove.

>>6946357
turn on a pen stabilizer and the problem goes away. congratulations you've now saved yourself a thousand dollars
are cintiqs better? yes, of course, but considering 90% of this board are nodraw permabegs there's no reason to actually buy it when the cheap chinkshit tablet approaches 80% of the quality for 40% of the price

>>6946357
I threw up in my mouth a little

Is there any way i could use a drawing tablet with just an iphone?
Pls no bully i am a total noob and broke af, so trying to work with what i already have.

>>6946356

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>>6946356
Is getting a cheap good used screenless one a good way to test the waters while still being able to produce something good? I just heard screened ones are better for employing traditional hand drawing skills

>>6946356
LETS TALK ARMS
some /ic/ gods please shill me your favorite tablet arm.

What's the best mini tablet with a screen? I have a cintiq 16 but I want something small and more portable like wacom bamboo but with a screen.

>>6947196
>wacom bamboo
that's what I was looking for ty anon

>>6947175
I ain't risking my $1000 tablet with that shit

>>6946356
Best android app for drawing? Should I just pony up for a csp sub? This is for my phone BTW, I have an iPad, but for doodling etc I'm looking for a halfway decent app to draw on with an s23 ultra

>>6947584
I know the answer but won't tell you

>>6947609
That's ok. I'll just draw with whatever after doing some research on it.

>>6947584
Krita

>>6947700
lmfao
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>>6947584
ibispaint is probably the best for phone use.

I ordered a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite wish me luck bros. It was nice knowing you. Goodbye forever.

>>6947703
Ty, I'm thinking it'll just be for doodles and sketches

>>6947790
that's exactly what I use it for on my note 10+

Any canada anons know of a good black friday deal on tablets

>>6947842
wrong thread, this is wacom general only, not tablet general.

>>6947175
The Amazon Basics one does it for me

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>>6946776
I have one . not the 2022 version its the version before that. I bought it used from ebay ,my first screen drawing tablet
I find it good but the screen is pretty small . I will buy a bigger one eventually . its a good starter tablet in my case . I use krita with it

>>what else to get with it
I didn't bother with accessories . My GF bought one for herself after seeing mine so she could read books on it . she got a case for hers , it makes it easier to grip the tablet . spare s-pens are a good idea if you lose stuff easily

The Intuos M BT battery life is a joke. You have to charge it every day so might as well leave it plugged in.

any ideas what the cheapest tablet for my autistic use case is?
until now i've been using flipnote studio on my 3DS XL to draw, and i'd basically like the same experience but scaled up. it's important that it has a screen so i can look directly at what i'm drawing, and ideally it would feel similar to use (which might mean not really needing pressure sensitivity, but still having good response times.)

i'd understand if there isn't a clear option for such a specific case of baby duck syndrome, but if there is i'd like to know.

anyone see any good black friday tablet deals? mine just shit the bed. I'm still a beg, so it'd be nice if it was under 100 dollars.

should i go for the samsung s6 lite or a refurbished 2019 ipad?

are the picassotabs a meme?

>>6947893
what model is this, does it wobble when putting pressure on it?

wacom

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>>6949637
Always go for the 22+ form factor if you're buying a wacom screen tablet.
No reason to go 16" when you can just buy a used iPad/Galaxy Tab Ultra instead and it'll be far better.

>>6945630
1)I'm not drawing professionally, just getting back at drawing after almost 10 years of hiatus. I really thought wacom is the only display tablet around, and I couldn't afford it. I hated drawing on nondisplay tablet so I stopped. I just recently learned about XP Pen and Huion.
2)Because of space, I only have a small area I can work with right now. I use a laptop, can't just move around the keyboard
3)Price, because well, bigger tablets mean higher price. I gotta think about the accessories too
what I care most is that the tablet is good and don't have dealbreaker issues so that I won't regret it. Maybe I'll get the 16 inch if the price drop is low enough

>>6950027
You don't draw

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>>6950081
Anyway, don't get the older Pro 13. That shit is worse than the 2nd gen non-pro by far. It has wobble, inconsistent pressure, fish-hooking and all those issues that were solved in the non-pro 2nd gen.

I would advice against the 2.5K as well, as that resolution is stupid for such a small display. (You won't be able to see anything in the UI and OS-level zooming is a big no for creative work.)

Either get the latest non-pro Kamvas 13 or the Kamvas 16 Pro 2.5K (not the regular 16 Pro 1080p, that one is shit as well).

>>6950081
Ah, well in that case a 13 inch isn't a bad call. I would only say that you do want the biggest tablet you can fit in your space as even a few more inches of room to draw from your shoulder will help a lot.

Make sure you get the new models with the battery free pens, they're very good for the price whereas the old pens cause all sorts of pressure issues like >>6946357 is showing when the batteries die.

>>6950202
>not the regular 16 Pro 1080p, that one is shit as well
What you actually want to look for is the pen model. All of huion's best tablets use the PW517 pen which is really quite nice if a bit thicker than the pro pen 2. The PW507 is the one that the slightly older ones like the 1080p 16 pro uses and it's a noticeable step down but still totally usable in my opinion. After that you start getting out into the rhubarb a little.

>>6950444
How do I know which Huion pen I've got? Just got a new one today

>>6950456
they haven't made a pen with a battery in years.

>>6946356
>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand making Wacom imitations.
I was so close to buying an Xpen after 5 different videos of artists saying how great they are, but you scroll down to the comments and months later they say it's utter crap.
Just bought a Wacom instead. 500 bucks off was too good a deal for the typical amount of money Wacom gouges out of consumers.

>>6946356
>Completely outclassed by the Galaxy Tab Ultra & iPad
Screen? For sure but S-pen and Apple pen still doesn't compare to the art pen.

>>6947842
Canada Computers has a Cintiq 16 $480 off regular price until Nov 30th.

>>6950579
Which did you get?

>>6950603
I got a Cintiq 16. I already have a cintiq 22HD but needed another tablet for travel/work abroad. Never had any issues with Cintiq personally.

>>6950456
What tablet did you buy? It'll list the pen it uses on the product listing somewhere.

>>6950579
No idea about xp pen but I'm a ride or die huion simp now. Don't get me wrong Wacom is definitively (though relatively minorly) better and I'd trade my tablet for a similarly sized cintiq in a heartbeat if someone was dumb enough to offer the trade, but I'm broke and they punch well above their weight price wise. Or maybe it's more fair to say that Wacom punches under their weight. I've had it 2 years and the closest thing it's done to breaking was that I needed to reinstall the tablet driver once. Regardless of how you feel about chinese tablets I think it's good that there's actually some reasonable competition in the market now. Hopefully that'll push wacom to do more to justify their markup.

>>6950643
Lol you are a sad and desperate little chinese shill.
Your huions are garbage, just like your fake warranties, Chang.

To anyone reading, don't fall for this moron's shilling. He is a dead-set scam artist.

>>6950697
you don't draw

>>6950697
ywnbaa aaron

>>6950697
you're weird anon

>>6950643
H640, I think it's a PW100 pen, are those okay?

>>6950732
it's a $40 tablet the size of a postcard. but you got it today, why not just try it for yourself and see if it fits your needs?

>>6950740
I've never personally used other brands so I don't have a point of reference. I casually did stuff on my phone before so the size doesn't bother me particularly

>>6950732
Yeah those are fine. Really all the cheaper screenless tablets work the same so you really can't go too wrong with any of them as long as you don't majorly overpay. The main thing that may cause you trouble is that that tablet is majorly on the small side, so drawing from your shoulder probably isn't gonna happen much. Learn to love zooming in.

Notice how the chinese idiot is quick to damage control with the samefag ad hominem:
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>>6950802
I'm used to zooming in a lot anyways. Good to know that it's fine, I got it essentially free anyway

>>6950824
is the chinese idiot in the room with us right now?

>>6950839
it's true, Mr Chang offered to suck me off to say something good about Huion

>>6950444
>>6950202
so is the regular kamvas 16 pro good or not? Because both of 16 and 13 pro models were released on the same year right?

I have a intuos pro S, is it worth getting a huion 13 or wacom one just to have a screen?

Someone in the previous thread (which featured an image I'd made in the op), showed me a video of Soejima-san using a display tablet. I think I'm going to be sick.

>>6951040
No, it's worth it to get a Large tablet though. You're on the small tablet to screen tablet pipeline which ends in spinal stenosis

>>6951040
Screen tablets are a waste of money unless you get really huge ones mainly because it's totally not ergonomic to place them below your keyboard.
Huge display tablets can be placed on a mount and take the place of your monitor.
Also most software expects you to either mirror your monitor onto your tablet or use it exclusively on the tablet.
Both are awkward on anything below huge size.

For $100 I can get a medium One by Wacom with a drawing area of 8.5x5.3 inches.
For $80, I can get a Huion Inspiroy with 10.5 x 6.56 inches, tilt support, and 8192 pressure levels.
Pretty tempting... is Huion really that bad? (Yes I'm poor for now)

>>6951227
Yes Huion is dogshit and stop believing pressure levels matter. They are 100% a meme and used purely as a marketing gimmick. 1024 pressure levels is more than enough.

What matters is pressure response. Huions are shit at applying light pressure and do not have a consistent curve. They are notoriously bad for quick hatching strokes.

>>6950444
you can't just buy and use the new pen on older tablet?

>>6951311
Aaron, why do you insist on repeating nonsense?

>>6951311
you don't draw guzzler

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>>6951227
The gap between them isn't huge. Huion will satisfy you unless you're insane like the shitposter

>>6951227
$100 for one by wacom? that's too much for a simple tablet without most features. i think it's worth it only when you get it for sale

>huion
>>6948182
>+ 4chan bonus stage vs violent Chang
As soon as i'm stable i go for an other brand. all i need is buttons/halfkeyboard + screenless tablet + solid customer service trusting me and so can replace my tools quickly. Can't imagine losing money, my reputation or even my job for Ping and Wu from halfbrained department.

>>6951845
wacom customer service is ironically even worse than huion or xp pen. Xp pen probably has the best of the big 3. No idea how xenxelab is

>>6951853
scary
>xenxelab
they have the good device tho

Is an used Cintiq 16 worth it for 300 yuro? A large Samsumg is at least double the price

>>6951911
>A large Samsumg is at least double the price
It isn't. You can get a big discount by ordering from Samsung. Make sure you order through the Samsung Shop App on Android for an extra 10% off, and try to get a loyalty discount coupon.

Is it a bad idea to try learning to drawing on a pen tablet? Should I go with classic pencil and paper instead?
I want to get into drawing and 3d and the wacom intuos tablets are on sale because of black friday.

>>6951961
It's a fine idea, it's a bit different than drawing traditionally of course, since you're looking at a screen instead of the actual device you're drawing on

>>6951961
Yes it's a bad idea. You will pick up bad habits learning the fundamentals like overusing ctrl-Z.

Just buy a big stack of A3 copy paper and a drawing desk or board, and you have a far better learning environment than any tablet will offer.

I hope there are some good cybermonday deals. I need to replace my xp-pen. The drivers keep losing themselves on my pc.

broke the screen of my s6 lite and now i'm back to my old one by wacom... it's over

>>6952038
99% of Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales are the same these days

has anyone tried Xiaomi Pad 6 for drawing? specs are as good as samsung s8 ultra, but is it the same for drawing?

>>6951961
In my humble opinion, it's better if you spend the first 3-6 months learning trad. Buying a screen tablet is a big commitment on the outset, and buying a screenless tablet will add another hurdle in the hand-eye disconnect that you really don't need while you're trying to make something you don't totally hate. You can do it, but like I said it's just gonna make your life more difficult when difficulty is what you should be trying to minimize.

What >>6951982 said about overusing ctrl-z is true too. It'll happen eventually if you go into digital, but ideally you want to learn to value your lines and place them judiciously, and the temptation of undoing mistakes is really strong especially when you're starting out. You'll end up spending 5 times more time on a drawing for a 3% improvement or something.

>>6951982
>You will pick up bad habits learning the fundamentals like overusing ctrl-Z.
I would like to think that I could just simply not use CTRL-Z, but I imagine the temptation is probably too great when you made a shit line.

>>6952111
You're both overthinking it.
Undo is fine if you botched something and the intuition when it's better to keep a line and erase parts of it comes easy.

Is there a tablet with a screen that can be plugged into the computer but also just be used on the go?

>>6948453
ASIN: B00MIBN16O
Model Nr.: K001387

It absolutely does wobble but that's mainly due to my tablet being so light (10lbs) and the mounting solution I ended up using. I think with a heavier 22 inch tablet and tighter bolts, it could be better. What I do to circumvent that is a) tilt the tablet back as much as possible, pull it down so that the lower left corner at least rests on the desk and I also give it some minor support by holding onto it with my left hand while drawing and then it's pretty much perfect for me. Summed up the purchase here >>6935314 >>6935325
Only two weeks of use so far; can't complain much yet.

>>6951982
i just got my digital tablet yesterday but oh well, i think i will follow this guy advice for a while.
are drawing boards really necessary? also, is there any special pencils that would be more ideal to the learning ´period?

>>6951961
Trust me you can use and reuse ctrlz without an once of shame, but even if we can find a lot of convincing brushes it's never perfect, there's always something missing in people's production, brush, tips and this kind of stuff is similar to online tablatures for music, it's always wrong...

So i think you have to start with the real stuff, then you could dl the stuff of the others to start learning softwares. After that you can tweak your basics or made new brushes trying to mimic the real deal bh your own. Then create new tools because you have new expectations/needs due to the medium.

I think to find your way, you have to start tradi to mimic, correct abd transcend! point is that the nerd stuff is vast and will lost you, also it will probably not be your priority before years or decade.

>>6952304
>are drawing boards really necessary?
You are going to want something that holds the paper up at an angle that is perpendicular to your eyes. This will minimize distortion and allow you to effectively utilize multiple different grips: overhand grip, inverted grip, pickup grip, etc.

If you lay the paper flat on a table, you have to hunch your neck over to see what you're drawing, which is bad when you're drawing from reference. It is optimized for tripod grip, which is terrible for drawing expressively, which is one of the most fundamental skills to learn as a beginner.

wacom is

>>6952469
Red pill me on wacom one?

>>6952552
It is one

>>6952552
It is wacom

>>6951961
kind of half agree with this anon >>6951982 learn fundamentals and your own drawing style on analog, because then you can just focus on getting used to drawing on tablets.

>>6946356
>Medium (12-16"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9"
Thinking of getting something this black friday or christmas, samsung is cheaper but is that a dealbreaker if I'm planning to just use it for drawing 90% of the time? Been using a huion h610prov2 for maybe 4 years now

I need an armature or something to prop my tablet up, any recommendations?

>>6952387
i'm kinda short on money lol, is there a way to make a cheap one somehow?

Why can't they just release Wacom Medium but with buttons?

>>6953023
Bro they cost like $15-20. Are you that poor?
I mean, you could just find a random plank of plywood somewhere, sit down, and have it stand on your thighs leaning against the table.

>Was gonna buy an XPPEN
>See this thread
>Oh, I guess XPPEN is bad, I'll get the Cintiq instead
>3,000 dollars

>>6953271
If you're poor you just buy used, or even better, use paper.

>>6953283
>Buy a used Cintiq 22
anon

>>6953271
>I am totally a random person who was definitely going to buy an xp pen and did exactly no research at all outside of this thread on 4chan and was 100% convinced instantly that they're actually bad because of a 4 year old webm

>>6953295
Well, this post definitely made me feel retarded lmao.

>>6953298
OP is a very psychotic wacom shill. if you want actual help beyond people calling you a retard for not buying either a 20 year old tablet or a $3500 tablet, just use the other thread.

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>>6953308
>chinese shill in damage control again
Bro your whole life is seething in this thread. That's about as sad as it gets.

There is a reason no professional studios ever source Huion or XP Pen. They are unreliable garbage, destined for landfill.

>>6953313
>There is a reason no professional studios ever source Huion or XP Pen.
lol
https://twitter.com/Nakayasee/status/1705931202853470448
wondering if the guzzler will ever get tired of blatantly lying to try to sell more wacoms

>>6953316
Nobody ever clicks your twitter links, chinese shill moron. Nobody cares, you're worthless.

>>6953316
why do you keep calling everyone a wacom shill bro? the only wacoms I ever see recommended here are older intuos which aren't even manufactured anymore and wacom gets no profit from.
are you ok anon?

>>6953322
>are you ok anon?
He isn't. He's an unhinged chinese lunatic and a shill.

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>>6953322
kek

>op pretending to be multiple people again

Jesus christ, I left these threads for 6 months and is the same fucking thing.
Holy shit, how can you talk about drawing tablets for 3 years straight instead of just trying them?
Anyways, changed my Wacom Intous S (2018) for the cheapest display tablet from a brand that isn't absolute shit, the Ugee U1600, which is I'd say, the border between shitty brands (Parblo, Artisul, Veikk and Gaomon), from the good ones (Ugee, XP-PEN, Huion, Xencelabs and Wacom), ask me anything.

>>6953356
I've been gone a long while as well. I'd post in these threads for a laugh as "Giovanni Giano" (check the archive if you care to) in the past.

You're right though, the pattern is the same:

-People argue about drawing hardware (despite the long established scientific fact that an Intuos L or third-party equivalent is the best option for both their drawing accuracy and their physical health)
-Not a single soul draws

I would regularly post artwork in these threads, alone, for months. You will very seldom see anyone post work in this thread or any of them like it. That's not what they're about and it's not a subject that will often come up, even. They're inhabited by very dedicated people championing one product or another for some reason or another, I think most often to reassure themselves that they made the right decision.

However, the fact a Wikipedia article was altered so drastically (informative product specifications tables or bullet points etc. were present on Wacom's wikipedia sites as far back as 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120301180240/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacom)) and so shortly after I posted a table from it on here a couple years ago makes me wonder if there are other motivations.

This page from July of 2021 is the last time you see a product feature table on the wikipedia entry: https://web.archive.org/web/20210710235049/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacom

-and came just a handful of weeks after I'd used it as a prop to explain my position on the subject of new vs old tablets in this very thread

>Anyways, changed my Wacom Intous S (2018) for the cheapest display tablet

The only reason such small tablets even exist in this day and age with 24+ inch computer monitors is to make you feel like you need a screen, and they're much more effective for that than they are for drawing with-especially for a beginner.

Cintiq 16 for $500 doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. Going off of camelcamelcamel it's the lowest it has ever been. Worth jumping at if I want a basic tablet without going bottom of the barrel?

>>6953546
Small tablets can work, but not for everyone. This is true if you don't draw very often and/or have a limited budget. With that said, I recommend medium sized ones when someone asks me.
>t. small Huion owner

>>6953578
I agree, in that I know several strong artists who I've failed to convince to upgrade their Medium or even Small tablets-but it's also true that those who I had were extremely appreciative and would never choose to go back. In your case, I would suggest looking for a larger tablet that is compatible with your stylus on ebay-one missing the stylus-because you can often get them without spending too much if they're incomplete. Especially with a Huion, we're talking maybe $50 for what will be a huge quality of life upgrade for you as an artist for many, many years to come.

>Medium

Mediums are certainly far from unusable, in fact one of the single best artists in my circle employs one of those, but my argument will always be that a large tablet is more desirable than the medium ones are, for the exact same reasons the medium is more desirable than a small. People are pensive about making that upgrade though because they just don't have the context for how profound an improvement it represents.

Small tablets work in the sense that they function for their state purpose in the literal sense, but the problem is they're deficient for it-especially for someone who doesn't have a lot of experience. I could use a small tablet, even something like the "One by Wacom" (no relation to the Wacom One) and end up with a similar result, but I'd have to fight for it; I also have been drawing for years and have a lot of experience with manual dexterity exercises (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas)) I would never willfully hamper myself in that way, and no one else should either.

People should realize that their relationship with drawing will extend into the years and decades if they're at all serious about it, and they should treat their ideas about what equipment they use right from the beginning accordingly. "Good enough" isn't good enough, and the fact something "works" on its own being the best thing one can say about it isn't justifiable in my opinion.

>>6953670
This, really.
I used the Wacom Intuos S as previously stated, and the biggest problem was the proportion to screen regarding strokes, it was actually tiresome and time consuming.
Could've bought a medium one but I didn't want to deal with more proportion issues even if they were to be smaller and rather just bought a display to stop dealing with that, since it was cheap and had stellar reviews
It did improve a lot, but the biggest improvement had to be to not being so impacted by pens.
I don't know how to explain it, different brushes have different looks, but when dealing with a smaller tablet they have downright different feels, and some would be more slippery or less controllable than others, which is something I haven't dealt with since I got a display, so instead of looking for brushes for a look, I was scourging for a brush that felt responsive, to the point I made a reminder of it. Pic related.

I dislike smalls, and now even mediums after a few years after finding out you can't really do any large arm motions with a 24/27 inch monitor

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>>6953319
holy cope lmfao

>>6953670
I'll probably upgrade my tablet, just not by now. The process is enjoyable even though I'm not having much free time due to work/studies. What are your recommendations?

>>6953861
It's weird, apparently the new XP-Pen artist pro are on par with cintiq pro, the reason I call it weird is because XP-PEN isn't the top brand from the Havon-Ugee group designed to compete against Wacom but Xencelabs, but apparently the Xencelabs drawing display ended up being so-so.

>>6953934
You said you have a small Huion, I guess what's important is what stylus you have. Huion has a newer model in their Giano line, the previous iteration I had a lot of respect for-with some caveats. The old Huion stylus in particular was crap for a variety of reasons, but the tablet itself was very well designed, a larger drawing surface and a smaller footprint than the competing Intuos. I haven't used this one. I'm optimistic about its size etc.-but I worry about how they brag about having a rougher surface, they're just imitating Wacom's worthless planned obsolescence feature they'd made a staple over the years and I'm not thrilled about that.

Consider the Inspiroy Giano, the WH1409 or the WH1409 V2 depending on what stylus you have. Do your own research, if you can't find a tablet missing the stylus (which I will reiterate: will save you a ton of money), consider getting a visibly lightly-used Intuos Large model 3 or over, instead.

>>6953356
>instead of just trying them?
not all of us are made of money

>>6954306
No, just buy one you have a good hunch for and deal with the consequences.

it would be better if wacom wasnt so expensive, also i disagree with your opinion on XPpen. Ive had it for years and im having no problems EXCEPT that i press too hard and the screen gets scratched (just get a screen protector). I would like to try out wacom one day but until they become more affordable.

>>6954402
>also i disagree with your opinion on XPpen
Doesn't work like that, champ.
XP Pen is objectively garbage, and it has been proven through non-shillbot tests and benchmarks. It doesn't matter if you don't mind it, they are objectively unreliable, poorly built and horribly calibrated.

Wacom intuos 3 is objectively garbage, and it has been proven through non-shillbot tests and benchmarks. It doesn't matter if you don't mind it, they are objectively unreliable, poorly built and horribly calibrated.

I have an XP-Pen Deco V2 on the way, will report back. I don't think it's the newest model but Newgrounds was giving some away as part of a contest (Tom you cheap bastard) so I'm curious how it stacks up to a comparable Wacom. It's a bit smaller-but closest to my PTZ-631W dimensionally, so I'm mostly going to be judging it on its surface feel and stylus performance relative to what I consider among the best.

>>6954481
heh

>>6954005
Oh, thanks for the insight anon!
On a unrelated note, how do you grind? I like your stuff.

someones selling a cintiq 21ux for 200 or 150 in freedom dollars. seems like a decent tablet at that price if theres no glaring damages

>>6954604
I've done a lot of 10-20 minute figure drawings over the past couple years. I usually use Croquis Cafe or New Masters Academy models but random stuff from Pinterest is fine. Sometimes studying old masters like this Reubens ecorche feels valuable as well but I don't do it often. Loomis for measurement/proportional strategies (which are among my bigger weaknesses) and Hogarth for...I don't know man I just like that guy.

I'm a big proponent of following the Dynamic Sketching course (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas)) and performing the recommended exercises over and over again (perhaps substituting expensive Staedtler pens for a mechanical pencil). If you're a beginner it will drastically improve your line confidence and will translate very well to digital.

>>6954629
Even the cheapest chinkiest shit today will feel better to draw on than that.

>>6954864
No it won't, chinese idiot.
Chinese tablets are never used in studios. Plenty of older Wacoms are.

My xppen after 2 weeks of use. Notice the plastic coming off in the middle

This post was bait. I bought it 4 and a half years ago

>>6954895
can you explain this?
>>6953861

Get a fucking life, Aaron.

>>6954931
There's nothing to explain you embarrassing schizophrenic chinaman. I'm not clicking on your marketing images, ever.

>>6954937
>n-no that massive animation studio doesn't use them. Lalalalalalala I can't here you!!!

Is xppen/huion really that bad? I've been using huion and recently got a screen tablet from xppen and Other than fucking driver issues I've never had any wobble/tilt/pressure issues even setting stabilizers to 0 works fine. Or is my new sht set to break in a year?

>>6955034
You wouldn't know, you haven't even tried a premium product yet. Huions are unreliable garbage and it's been proven the line quality is inconsistent. They also have poor internal design with a lot of variation between units.

>>6955034
yeah, but op is the only one in the world that knows about it and is trying to share the word. The entire art industry has been trying to keep it a secret, but he shall defeat all the ching chang chongs and win the day with his mighty intuos 3 in hand (which he won't draw with)

>>6955139
if it's not clear that was sarcasm, no, huion and xp pen are not bad. even big name studios are starting to switch to them because wacom went full fucking retard with their pricing because they aren't aware they no longer have a monopoly.
the
>muh PREMIUM
cope is just retards trying to justify spending an extra $3000 (literally) for a nearly identical experience.
even pretending your tablet was going to self destruct in a year or two, you could buy a new one 5 times over and still have no spent as much as wacom is charging.

fuck wacom, fuck apple, just buy a tablet and go draw without taking out a 2nd mortgage

>>6955169
>even big name studios are starting to switch to them
No they're not you stupid idiot.
The cost of tablets is not something studios think about, it's just a small expense to them. This is how I know you've never worked in the industry.

>>6955180
And this is how we know you never touched a pencil.

>>6955180
>No they're not you stupid idiot.
weird
>>6953861
looks like one of the absolute biggest anime studios using the newest xp pen. curious.

Picked up an s6 lite for 180. Pretty happy with it to just doodle and practice gestures as I only work trad at home, is there a slightly larger screen that can be had for 300 (it's az so I can just return an open box they dgaf)? Or is this reasonably the best I'll get for my budget, not crazy on the aspect ratio and eyeing the iPads 4:3.

>>6946356
>>6955281
>Small (10-11"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
>Medium (12-16"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9"
I'm a poorfag whos been sketching on lined notebook, and I was looking at the samsung tablets, is the 10 inch screen a real big issue in your opinion?

>>6955335
I mean as a workhorse yea it's not good. As a device I just got to doodle at work I think it's fine but I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen like the ipad

>>6955034
Ignore the Schizo anon, he hasn't posted a single drawing.
Huion and XP-PEN have been catching up on Wacom, mostly on their highest tiers, their entry stuff is still kinda hit or miss.
It doesn't really matter though, because it's so cheap in comparison, you can buy a new one when the previous one stars to fail.ñ, and it'll be better.
But once you get into mid tiers, you have quality assured got at least 3 years we've still hasn't failed.
It was usually Huion>XP-Pen but the last year it seems to be inverting.
My recommendation is to not buy Huion or XP-Pen from before 2021, and definitely not before 2018.

>>6955340
Gotta say the more I use it the more I love it. Will definitely be keeping it but if I was a pure digital artist I wouldn't feel bad about dropping 800 on the s8 ultra for the absurd screen size or a refurbished iPad pro 4th gen. For a $190 on sale the s6 is great as an ultra portable sketchbook - infinite painter and the pen are superb.

>>6955478
>>6955047
>>6955139

Thanks for the input you guys, if I see any issues with my XPpen I'll let you know

>>6955340
>>6955482
I've been able to try out the test models for the S6 at Costco but obviously they don't have proper drawing apps installed so I was only able to make normal lines on the note app, the tablet itself doesn't seem too bad but does it suffer from overheating with proper drawing apps after an hour or two?

Surprised to see a thread so positive on Samsungs. Never had any problems with their phones but people seem to like shitting on Android.

Has anyone tried the new S9 FE? It's going cheap this week so I was wondering if it could be better than S6. Or maybe go higher and get a proper S8 or S9. Though not Ultra, still seems too much for my finances.

>>6953861
Huionbros....

>>6955567
that’s because nobody here actually draws and are trying to give recommendations based on tech specs and random shit they’ve seen on Twitter

I find their garbage unusable for art and I can’t imagine wishing the tablets on people for anything other than for viewing porn on in bed

>>6955582
I'm not expecting to make oil panting replicas on a samsung but surely the parallax and pen sensitivity is good enough for pencil/line sketching right? According to the other anons at least

>>6953861
>months old of post
>stll no one is aware that this was sponsored by xp pen

>>6955582
most of the time, that's the only device that they have used and they will assume that's the best drawing experience someone will get. lot of youtubers "recommends" samsung yet no pro artists really use them. (unless sponsored)

>>6953322
Chinese are the only shills here. No one even pushes to recommend the latest wacom products here (wacom one and latest intuos pro) yet everytime a new tablet from other chinese companies was released, the shill and trash talk in these threads is getting wilder.

>>6955577
huion is still better than xppen don't worry.

>>6955644
that's because everyone knows wacom is a good brand genius. They're the industry standard and their high end products are unquestionably the best at what they do. But most broke artists don't have $2000 burning a hole in their pocket for the latist cintiq and so cheaper options obviously get discussed.

Seriously, do you actually think that all the people buying these tablets hate them? Does random chinese tablet company #892 really have the resources to shut down criticism and pay shills across the entire internet including an indonesian basket weaving forum? That's just a very weird thing to believe.

>>6955478
Honestly I kinda disagree. I don't know about the cheap pen displays but at least the the chinese screenless tablets are extremely serviceable. The high tier stuff is definitely catching up to wacom, but I'd put it at 90% or so of where the cintiqs are at. If you're a professional or a super duper dedicated hobbyist with enough disposable income then buying a wacom is still a good idea. You'll use it enough that the extra 10% in color accuracy, pen accuracy, and feel is worth it even if it costs significantly more. And if you're broke then you have excellent options that won't break the bank in the form of the chinese tablets.

>>6955635
it was sponsored, yet there isn't a single mention of xp pen anywhere at all, and the xp pen logo is never clearly shown in any of the 6 images, most of which don't even showcase any products? You're actually a genius, schizo!

>>6955667
the company was sponsored not the show chang. i still won't buy your any of your rebranded chinese trash

Zhang blet al

>>6955671
>I won't click your links or look at your images
>lalala it's not happening
>Okay it's happening but they sponsored it
>Okay maybe it sponsored them
>chang!!!
You genuinely have like 7 iq. Go back to pretending the Chinese government is subsidizing them to defeat the hero of the story, wacom.

>>6955589
>I'm not expecting to DO THE PART THAT REQUIRES THE LEAST PRECISION but surely the parallax and pen sensitivity is good enough for THE PARTS OF ART THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRE EXACTNESS AND FIDELITY

yeah you deserve to make your retarded decision, retard

>>6955582
You are chinese though, of course you'd think that.

>>6955478
>Huion and XP-PEN have been catching up on Wacom, mostly on their highest tiers, their entry stuff is still kinda hit or miss.
It's funny because chinese morons like you were saying the exact same things back in 2017-2018. Somehow your shitty products are always "catching up to wacom".

why is this guy so obsessed with the Chinese?

>>6956096
chink ravaged his ass

This woman from the aforementioned twitter link is so close to the ideal: screen even with or higher than her brow line, her delicate arms and shoulders supported by a sturdy Intuos 3, her head raised proudly to the heavens facing forward with confidence, where it can be admired by all. She is dialed in and she will never suffer the same physical degradation in her lower back, neck and shoulders her screencel "peers" do. That one guy's posture with his laptop and extra keyboard is mortifying but-given the animation industry's storied, open contempt for their staff-totally unsurprising. Mad House doubtless wants their top talent crippled and dependent on them to pay their ever-increasing medical bills. In this woman's case, she just needs to get a standing desk and ditch the cuck cloth and it'd be 10/10

>Frieren
Is it good tho

>>6954898
quit gooning on it and it will look much better.

bump

>>6955034
Do you have problems with yours disconnecting and reconnecting? It's funny, because my screenless still has the lights on and shows that it's connected in that way when it does this, but then it won't acknowledge the pen until I fuck around with the usb-c port at the tablet.

Here's what a physically and mentally healthy artist's battle station should look like (just remember the acronym "SLAMPIG"):

[S]tanding Desk
[L]arge tablet from reputable brand
[A]t least two screens
[M]irror for expression reference
[P]adding to rest elbow on (for hand studies)
[I]mportant Literature
[G]lowie/[G]lobalist-proof'd webcam

The SLAMPIG set up is guaranteed to provide those who employ it years of invaluable drawing comfort and health.

>>6956758
haven't had any issues with it yet, I just hate the huge redbull can sized pen it comes with. Don't believe human beings draw well like that.

>>6956772
>no work posted
everytime

>>6956772
>"dO YOu hAvE a mIC?"

>>6956775
I like the size of my pen, but the buttons are a pain in the ass. I prefer thicc pens when taking notes, and tends towards my fatter round brushes when attempting watercolor though. I'm also not really holding it the way you're supposed to, so I could see it being uncomfortable for others that do

>>6956778
I've posted work throughout this thread tho

>>6954659
>>6954547
>>6954005
>>6953670
>>6953546
>>6951049

>>6956772
can you shut the fuck up already? I swear pen tablet niggers are vegans of the digital art world.

>>6956796
yes but nothing worth actually looking at

maybe if you spent as much time studying as you do shitposting you'd be past pre-/beg/ by now

>>6956827
Better to be a pre-/beg/ than a no-draw, paisan.

>>6956827
Those figures can't be pre-/beg/, I've seen much more horrendous work in the /beg/ and /draw/ threads (even from people who have been drawing for some time)

The figures in >>6956796 look at least mid-beg to me, look at the nice stylized anatomical details and the obvious fact that the artist has some level of dexterity

>>6956852
>A lot of people here have never attempted to actually make a drawing. They endlessly scribble and study and sketch but they never actually tried to go from a concept/prompt to a finished drawing they can publish.

>>6954547
XP-Pen Deco V2? If you mean the Deco Pro Gen 2, then it's better than entry level Intuos, modern Huion models, and even Xencelabs, but still a little behind the latest Intuos Pro.

If you mean the Deco 01 V2, then it's only better than the entry level Intuos and older Huions, but still behind newer Huions and Xencelabs.

If you mean

>>6956988
what's there to be behind with when it comes to pen tablets exactly? Genuine question
It seems like all of then will be largely identical to me. Displays I understand because accuracy, drawing feel, and screen quality are obvious objective differences. But pen tablets?

Are there any iPad Pro magnetic stands that are recommended for drawing? I want the thing to be flexible and allow for turning the ipad but most look like wobbly chinkshit that's going to slip around.

>>6956872
Thank you

>>6956872
Ok

>>6956988
I think the box on the auction said "01 V2" so I assume it's the same tablet but with the Wacom-imitation battery free stylus. I guess I'm going to find out either way.

>>6956992
Have you ever tried turning your mouse sensitivity way up near as high as it can go? Imagine trying to draw like that. What's seen on the screen becomes more congruent with what's done with your hand the larger the active area is. Every other consideration save for general reliability issues is much less significant in comparison

>>6957013
I'd suggest just plopping it on a laptop stand.
>>6957014
Active area has nothing to do with a Deco vs Deco pro or intuos vs intuos pro. That's why I'm wondering what difference there actually is between models. Everything nowadays has the same pressure sensitivity (other than xp pen with 16k, but it's basically a meaningless marketing gimmick), everything has a battery free pen, everything has small/medium/large size options, it all just seems so samey that I can't imagine there being any reason to drop $500 on an intuos pro.

>>6956992
>what's there to be behind with when it comes to pen tablets exactly?
Overall quality, wobbly lines due to badly made tips, surface feel, pen comfyness, etc.
>>6955985
>Somehow your shitty products are always "catching up to wacom".
The entry Intuos has been raped to hell and back.
Also the entry cintiqs and ones, all ones desu.
The Intuos Pro has equals in quality and durability now but gets absolutely raped by price
The only thing to catch up is the Cintiq Pros and the absolute highest tier >24" Wacom, and they're getting close with the latest Deco and Xencelabs Displays.
Remember that Xp-Pen was a Japanese company to begin with that got bought by a Chinese firm to boost the technology of their tablets, and the best engineers of that company and ex engineers of Wacom are working on Xencelabs, so it's barely a chink company.

I have a Wacom Bamboo capture from idk 2012? Any good reason to upgrade to something modern other than getting a big one with display?

>>6957106
If it works for you , not really.
pyw tho, I'm very curious.

>came to see if any interesting tips to upgrade from my huion h610
>most conversation is plagued by rabbid schizo who had his mind rented to china

first time coming here btw

>>6957093
>chang still getting desperate and posting misinformation
Yeah sure, read it all before idiot.

im buying an xp because 1) i dont want to spend $3000 and 2) i dont draw anyway.

>>6957152
Try the actual tablet thread
>>6943123
The janitors let this one stay up so the schizo can yell into the void. Not even joking

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>>6957164
>aaron is getting even more desesperate at the truth
sure thing bro, if you repeat that enough it might became true

I love Huion, I love XP Pen, I love the CCP that subsidises these companies so that I can get them for cheaper. Mr Chang is also a very handsome man

>>6957205
>The janitors let this one stay up so the schizo can yell into the void. Not even joking
and yet this thread has a higher post rate.
You can't even say it's because of bump posts because those get deleted. Of course that doesn't stop you from making your fake bumps like the weird schizo loser you are.

You put in all this effort and it's all for nothing. Pretty embarrassing bro.

>>6957840
you care about the weirdest shit. A slower general with on topic discussion is better than spammy retarded shit and 50 bump posts on a slow board.

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The ASUS ProArt Display PA169CDV seems to be getting good reviews. Anyone tried it yet?

>>6957953
Ask /g/

>>6957944
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Has anyone here tried out the iskn repaper drawing tablet so far?

>>6958008
omcwa

Unusual question but I got a cintiq a few months ago and I'm finding myself having trouble picking the right saturation and colors for my illustrations, because on the screen they'll look very vivid but much darker and less saturated on monitors
Do anons with similar tablets just check their colors and luminosity with other devices and displays several times while painting something?

My Huion kamvas 13 is cracked just sayin

>>6958505
>t. someone who hates the chinese more than anybody else

>>6958505
is a crack supposed to somehow be the tablets fault?

I got my cintiq 22hd today lads I'm so happy
Got it used on ebay but you wouldn't even know it. The screen is immaculate and it works fine.
My old shitty xp-pen 16 inch tablet finally cracked from me looking at it the wrong way and this new one is so fucking huge. I had to rearrange all the stuff on my desk for it to fit.

>>6958505
>My Huion kamvas 13 is cracked
>>6958789
>My old shitty xp-pen 16 inch tablet finally cracked
is this the new guzzler spam? chinese tablets crack easily?

>>6958822
>is this the new guzzler spam?
This is literally my first time posting in this general.
The truth is my xp-pen was around 5 years old and I leaned on it with my elbow.
I am not a spammer or a shill.

How wacom?

>>6959321
very

>>6946356

>>6946356

Wacom pen?

Anon who just bought Huion Pro 13 2.5K here, first time using display tablet and huion product. I have some questions
1) Can you set display scaling for the tablet only? I'm on 130% and I notice the taskbar doesn't go fully down on the tablet, there's like 1mm of pixels space
2)How do you regain control of your mouse on your main display? I can't drag the cursor back to my monitor after I start using the tablet with the pen.
I'm currently using the latest driver

>>6959807
Apple pencil.

>>6946356

>>6960146
free s pen

>>6960473
free pencil and paper

>>6960525
Expensive $30/g oil paint from the netherlands

Found a small twig on the ground, sanded it down and now have a brand new nib for my Intuos 3. Feels more textured than the vanilla nib too.

>>6960816
Is this a troll? Won't you scratch the fuck out of your tablet???

>>6960827
no one in this thread would ever troll, chinese idiot

>>6960827
The intuos 3 is literally indestructible Chang

>>6960827
Doesn't scratch, the surface of this tablet has always been resistant to scratches.

Got a really good deal in an auction (less than $80) on an Intuos Pro L (latest model) so I couldn't resist. It just arrived today, I don't think it was even used. I will probably end up keeping it that way for the most part. It's beautifully designed and modern looking-but other than that I don't have much to say about it. It basically lives up to my expectations, both positive (touch ring/hotkeys, aspect ratio [old news], easily replaceable [albeit expensive] texture sheets) and negative (bare surface fragility).

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to anyone who just has to have something new or "modern" rather, but outside of that niche you're 100% just as well off with the previous gen models in the same size class. Yes, including "that one".

>>6960816
Man what

>>6960837
Scratch resistant but not scratch proof, you've gotta be pulling our leg here. In fact I feel like this picture is one of those "older than the internet" things I've seen before but had long forgotten.

>>6960951
>I don't think it was even used. I will probably end up keeping it that way for the most part.
what are yoy, a wacom collector? The fuck?

>>6960955
Don't worry about it. Just let me cook, paisan. There is an end-goal with all of this I assure you, but in the meantime it's as simple as the fact that I do strongly believe that the "tablet question" is a very important one-especially for beginners-and they deserve to have everything about the subject possible laid bare as they make this decision for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYC6gtb82Q

mhmm I wacom

Huion dropped a new tablet. An android based all in one for $249. looks cool honestly.
https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-slate-10

>>6958840
That's bad luck dude, sorry. My kamvas is still going after three years. Replaced the screen protector a few times but other than that it's like the day I bought it.

>>6961206
Sweet, an actual galaxy tab competitor for a decent price. If they can release something like a slate pro 13 with built in matte screen protector and better color gamut, that could be really good.

Nondelete bump

Maybe their most aesthetic design imho, but I'm just not a fan of that texture. It feels like it's disintegrating as you use it (because it is), and they only sell a "standard" or "rough (lol)" texture on their website. I could have swore there was a smooth one available-if there was they probably realized they were just repeating past mistakes of making them too wear resistant. At $40 the profit margin on their texture sheets must be considerable, and you're looking at very accelerated nib replacements with either option. I still think it's a much more conscientious design, to encourage expendable components to be replaced rather than having the whole thing needing to be discarded and destined for the landfill. This is one feature I hope that the third party manufacturers consider imitating. There are probably millions of perfectly usable drawing tablets floating around out there that go discarded because of their surface itself being in disrepair.

>>6961712
do you post just to read your own words?

are there any artists that use a samsung s8/s9 tablet ? I want to see examples but most use ipads and procreate.
I can't decide whether I should buy an ipad or the s9 ultra, I love CSP but I've never tried procreate and want to see if it's as great as it's made up to be.
if any of you bros have experience with drawing on the samsung tablets can you share,how does it feel compared to an ipad?

>>6961734
Yeah, and I also post drawings in these threads to see my own drawings, what's your point, Tech Neck?

my thread has to be first :)

>>6946356
I moved csp on a pixel 8 and just found out pixels don't have stylus support. Or at least officially, I have heard some do work evidently. Anyone with a pixel phone know of any that I could use?

>>6961875
did you try the bump?

>>6961888
I don't know what you mean by that

>>6961897
Don't worry about it bro, you're replying to a known schizo.

>>6961802
Based. These threads are mostly shitty nodraws having consolewars on tablets anyways

>>6961206
>>6961229
Don't care, Chong. Nobody here is going to buy your worthless garbage.

>>6961925
>reeeee stop releasing good products and by wacom instead!!! >:(
>fuck you for posting anythin g other than wacom
>please buy my stockpile of 7000 intuos 3s

>>6961940
>says something about galaxy tablets
>chong starts seething about wacom again
This is why you're the village idiot of this thread, schizo chinaman.

>>6961944
>please, my intuos 3s, buy them I can't get rid of these pieces of shit :(

>>6961944
>says something about wacom
>aaron starts seething about china again

>>6961990
>aaron
QRD?

>>6962093
Schizo chinaman thinks anyone who criticizes chinese tablets must be some youtuber.

>>6962093
schizo youtuber thinks anyone who criticizes wacom is chinese, and every youtuber that isn't him (Aaron rutten) is a paid shill and can't be trusted.

Look at this loser: >>6962265

Notice his acute lack of self-awareness. This guy is a complete moron.
Nobody here actually cares about anyone criticizing Wacom. It's barely even recommended in the OP. But alas, this chinaman has severe schizophrenia.

I think there's a common misconception about this schizo, it's not that he loves wacom, it's that he really, really hates anything Chinese. Maybe Mr Chang raped his mom when he was a child or something

>>6962285
wacom and apple are both made in china though

I was watching a video by Brad Colbow and his recommendation for beginners are Huion Kamvas 16(sweetspot)/12 being the minimum or an XP-PEN DECO MW. Which would you recommend and why? I’d like input from those who’ve tried both types of tablets.

This would be my first tablet. I assume a tablet with a screen is better, but maybe I should just get the cheap one, because it’ll be me dipping my toe into this creative endeavor. Thanks.

You can and should upgrade the size of your tablet-it all depends on your stylus

https://machollywood.com/blogs/news/wacom-tablets-and-cintiqs-with-compatible-pens

This article suggests that as long as you have a stylus for an Intuos 4 or higher, you will be able to use it with any subsequent Intuos (5/Pro) tablet. Huion and XP-Pen doubtless present similar opportunities for an inexpensive route to what would otherwise be a costly upgrade but make sure to do your own research.

Searching for [model number] "tablet only", "no pen" or "no stylus" on ebay or similar sites can sometimes yield exceptional deals on incomplete hardware. Just keep an eye out-and use common sense. Don't buy something that looks like it's been beat to shit-and always exercise caution if they have multiple units for sale but only one set of photos.

>>6962339
you should watch aaron's videos if you want the real advice. not some fat big china bugman

>>6962339
There is no such thing as a tablet for "beginners", these recommendations prefaced with that word represent an inversion of reality, where something harder to draw with is promoted as an ideal to people who've never drawn before.

I have not yet used an XP Pen tablet, but at a cursory glance there is no reason one would choose the MW (8x5 active area) vs the Deco 01 V2 or Deco L. (10 x 6) at that <$100 price point, for example

Here's the secret: starting from 0, it's going to take you many years to get good at drawing. The idea that you should use something deficient in any sense of the word during this formative experience is just the wrong way to think about things. What is $100 over 5 years? How about $200? $300? Even $500 or $1000: It's nothing. You can make that money taking a few extra hours at work over a few weeks-and the tablets themselves hold on to a good chunk of their value over time, they'll never be completely worthless.

Really need something new? Get one of these:

XP-Pen: https://www.xp-pen.com/store/buy/deco-pro-gen2.html

Huion: https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-giano

Wacom: https://estore.wacom.com/en-us/wacom-intuos-pro-l-us-pth860.html

However, I promise you if you get a used Intuos Large on ebay or any other similar site, you will be just as well off as you would be with any of the above options (just use common sense, if they're in good condition cosmetically from a reputable seller you're almost certainly going to be fine).

>>6962397
Why would I spend $500 on screenless intuos when I could spend $500 on a cintiq 16?

>>6962397
>ebay
I’m an asshole. I think I’ll just check there and get something for cheap or maybe I’ll just get a Samsung s6 lite(2022) so I can browse the web and draw on it if I want.

>>6962540
It's a controversial opinion, but I believe drawing off-screen is better for a variety of reasons. I'm not impressed by screens or hotkeys/touch functionality and the like and I don't think other people should be spellbound by this stuff either. Physical health is more important than direct drawing ever will be, and it's what's compromised most when choosing that method. Besides, you can get an Intuos 3, 4, 5 or one of the earlier model Pros for closer to <$200

>>6962602
You're browsing the web now tho

Be real with yourself, how often are you going to use that thing "mobile"? You're going to go to some social function where everyone's enjoying eachother's company, while you take out your phone with its 6 inch screen and start drawing with it? You're not, are you? What happens then 3 hours later when you're home, where you spend 97% of your time? In the end you're going to be left with this little goofy device while your 20-inch PC monitor's Five Nights at Freddy's screen saver is popping off when it should be housing your artwork.

Bump

>>6954306
ye

my xp pen kamvas 17 cracked

>>6963532
really? my huion artist 27 pro elite cracked too. wtf is with this chink shit cracking? all I did was dropkick it...

>>6963532
samesies

>>6953567
It's good if you got money to spend. I bought one a few months ago and it does fine for what I want to do.

>>6963928
Amy cracks

how are the new xp-pen deco pro 2's compared to intuos pro?

desu im kinda interested in the xp pen largest version, such a big surface area for the lolz

>>6964300
They are terrible. Pressure curve is all over the place and hatching lines have fishhooks.

>>6964300
I have both of them. The Deco Pro is completely fine. For less than half of the cost you get a bigger active area.

The only difference I can feel pen wise is that Wacom has a lower initial activation force. So if you are extremely light handed and you try your very best you can get the xp pen to not register a stroke even if the tip is actively touching the tablet. Does any of that actually happen in real use? Not really. Just something to consider. No fishhooking or other memes are present like the resident schizo would like you to believe.

If you have neither I suggest the Deco Pro just for the size alone. I can tell you outright that the Deco Pro Gen 2 is the 2nd best screenless tablet line up.
They are supposed to refresh the Intuos Pro line next year so I’m looking out for that. Hopefully they update the design to match the Deco Pro and remove the useless buttons.

>>6964325
Of course you're going to say that, aren't you shill?
Your tablet is garbage.

>>6964325
thanks anon, very insightful.

>>6964327
My paycheck from shilling cracked

>>6964300
Don't think of it as comically big. Your monitor is doubtless far bigger-and so too would all but the least expensive screen tablet alternatives be. A tablet that size shouldn't be seen as anything other than the most suitable for its purpose. I haven't used an XP-Pen tablet yet but the largest size Gen 2 I'd just stumbled on the other day interests me. It definitely looks like a step in the right direction in every way, provided it doesn't have any conspicuous input or long term reliability problems.

https://www.xp-pen.com/store/christmas-sale-2023.html

>XP Pen's christmas sale webpage doesn't work

Can I really trust their hardware if they can't get their website's shit together?

>>6964559
My XP Pen sale page cracked

I almost hate to admit it but yeah, the Deco Gen 2 XLW looks close to what I'd previously envisioned when it comes to a perfect drawing tablet in this format

>biggest active area by a considerable margin
>much smaller x-axis fooprint than Intuos 3/competitive with current gen models
>remote-rather than integrated-hotkeys

If nothing else I'm pretty impressed just with its design on the surface level. I'd have to feel it in my own hands before I'd say it's a must-have, but as-is I can only assume it's competitive enough with its peers to warrant a cautious endorsement on my part.

Assuming Huion's Giano has been improved since I'd used the first model as well, I would say that any one of these would be a good choice for a New Years' upgrade if you're looking for something new:

Wacom Intuos 3 PTZ-930 (a legend that's stood the test of time)
Footprint: 439.5 × 429.3 × 36.4 mm
Active Area: 12.0 × 9.0 in

Wacom Intuos Pro L (newest in a long line of reliable, industry standard designs, replaceable surface)
Footprint: 430.4 × 287 × 8 mm
Active Area: 12.1 × 8.4 in

Huion Inspiroy Giano (most space efficient)
Footprint: 429 × 260.9 × 9 mm
Active Area: 13.6 x 8.5 in

XP-Pen Deco Gen 2 (biggest drawing surface, comparable footprint)
Footprint: 435 x 313.1x10.66 mm
Active Area: 15 x 9 in

Again though, an Intuos L model 3 or over would represent a considerable upgrade to what many of you are using now (just do your own research and make sure you're prepared to house one on a stable, flat surface). I can't stress enough how these things simply haven't changed sufficiently over the years (or decades) to warrant any kind of serious apprehension.

Back before portable screen tablets were a thing (pre Cintiq 12) my work was much looser and more painterly. Once I got on screen tablets everything became more line-oriented, i.e. more tendency to draw everything out before painting with a big brush. Quick linework took over my style; tempted to go back and try a screen-less tablet to see if I have the muscle memory.

>>6964845
>Cintiq 12WX
>portable
It is on the small side but it's such a mess with all those cords and that converter box.

>loose and painterly

A smaller tablet does lend more to a painterly style essentially out of necessity. A larger tablet or a screen tablet allows for both. With your hand and arm at complete rest I feel like the former is actually better for both purposes, though. I would encourage you to try because it's much better for your physical health either way.

>>6964845
have you tried

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>>6964845
sorry posted before finishing my thought

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>>6964845
have you tried an ipad

i still use one of these, but i kind of want a display tablet now. i'm a bit of a cheapskate, what do i go for?

>>6965155
cintiq 27 pro. can't afford it? start saving up or finance one. literally nothing else is worth owning.

>>6965155
>cheapskate
You're in luck my friend, literally everything from the model you posted to the model anon responded to you with is cheap as shit considering:

1. It can often be resold quickly for 70+% of its value years later on facebook marketplace, craigslist or your regional equivalent if you so choose
2. Drawing is a lifetime commitment, $500 or $5000 makes little difference over even 2-3 years (obviously it's okay to be thrifty, but just don't be a pussy and buy something shitty you're going to be stuck with for the rest of your natural life without some epiphany occurring-like you did when you bought that thing in your picture)
3. I've already posted the best options in this thread here (>>6964730), 3 out of the 4 are under $200 and they're all better than using a screen and developing scoliosis or tennis elbow. Paisan, you're so close to salvation, don't mess it up by falling for the screen meme.

>>6965155
>cheapskate
You're in luck my friend, literally everything from the model you posted to the model anon responded to you with is cheap as shit considering:

1. It can often be resold quickly for 70+% of its value years later on facebook marketplace, craigslist or your regional equivalent if you so choose
2. Drawing is a lifetime commitment, $500 or $5000 makes little difference over even 2-3 years (obviously it's okay to be thrifty, but just don't go and buy something shitty you're going to be stuck with for the rest of your natural life without some epiphany occurring-like you did when you bought that thing in your picture)
3. I've already posted the best options in this thread here (>>6964730), 3 out of the 4 are under $200 and they're all better than using a screen and developing scoliosis or tennis elbow. Paisan, you're so close to salvation, don't mess it up by falling for the screen meme.

>>6965197
you're somehow the worst poster itt despite posting work and not just seething at the Chinese.

>>6965222
welcome to namefagging

probably seems dumb as hell, but are there any protectors/screens for non-screen tablets that give the drawing surface more texture? my current tablets surface makes it feel like i'm drawing on freaking ice

Is a wacom cintiq 16 a good tablet?

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>>6965248
I get it, I have unpopular opinions and I don't always express them in the most diplomatic way, but they're based on experience and sincere desire for people to not to make the same mistakes I did, because I see the same patterns playing out I'd personally gone through.

Huion bros can you set custom scaling only for the tablet display? I've been tinkering trying to get it to work. Only my monitor gets the change not the tablet

What is the Intuos Ctl4100 and why is it so much cheaper than any of their other products? Is it any good?

Getting back into drawing. I bought a Ugee 1910b years ago and I wasn't a big fan of it then and I'm still not now. I didn't do enough research and I didn't have enough money for a Cintiq. It's 16:10 and the quality just isn't too great.

I'm thinking of getting something a little more lightweight that I can change positions with if needed. I'm not made of money, especially not right now, but would either of these be alright? I can get either for about $150-160 right now. Maybe quality in general has improved lately?

>UGEE 15.4 Inch Drawing Tablet
>XP-PEN Artist12 11.6 Inch FHD Drawing Monitor

Thoughts?

>>6966190
2nd hand huion or xp pen 16

>>6966207
>2nd hand huion
which one?

And what makes the XP-Pen 16 better? Seems its reviews are significantly worse than the XP-Pen Artist 12.

>>6965125
Yes that’s my daily driver now.
12.9’s still a bit cramped, and I’m hunched over it more than ever; just have to remember to take breaks. At least the screenless tablets let you look straight at an eye-level screen and keep your elbow down.

>>6966190
>>6966207
Realized I can get a Huion Kamvas 12 for the same range.

Hello frens, in the book I'm using it mentions that an overhand grip is far better and that most accomplished artists prefer it over the 'tripod grip' (aka normal writing grip). If that's true, is it possible to use it on a tablet too? I bought a CTL 472 (Wacom Bamboo, small) and I'm not sure if it's possible to detect the angle of my pen using it.
I'm using Paint Tool Sai 2.

>>6966223
It's not 'needed' but it DOES help you get in the habit of moving your whole arm instead of just your wrist which IS a better technique.

If you can get into the habit of that without an overhand grip don't worry about it but it wouldn't hurt trying it out. You might find it more comfortable in longer drawing sessions.

>>6965159
i don't think i need something that big
>>6965197
weell, this thing is just fine for a screenless, imo. screen is the big thing i want. maybe the extra space or pressure levels on a new screenless will be good, though, i'll look into it.

>>6966230
I see, I'll still try to use the grip for 15 minutes each day but if I end up still disliking it I'll just keep in mind the shoulder movements.
Do you have any answers to the other part of my question? The book mentions the benefits of the overhand grip and emphasizes better control of the line sharpness and the "graining" technique or whatever (picrel). Is it possible to emulate that on a tablet? I don't think you can do that without a gyro inside the pen.

>>6966216
>>6966222
Any 16" made in the past few years from xp pen, huion, or wacom will be fine. 12 inches is just straight up too small and will feel cramped to draw on.

>>6966285
>12 inches is just straight up too small
Women and their impossibly high standards I swear....

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>>6966280
>The book mentions the benefits of the overhand grip and emphasizes better control of the line sharpness and the "graining" technique or whatever (picrel). Is it possible to emulate that on a tablet?
I think that would fall under full arm use as well. It's easier to push straights and pull curves (exceptions apply when necessary) if you're using your whole arm and that pen holding technique makes your wrist more stable which just forces you to use your whole harm.

The graining, though, I'm not sure. I'm not an expert with tablet. Probably has to do with a combination of the tablet itself, it's pressure-sensing, and a particular brush in a specific program made to emulate that. I think Rebel might have something like that built in.

>>6966302
Nah you're a complete moron Chang.

Real thread is here:

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