/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What's the point if judging by this graph my fav artists don't barely leave /beg/

>>6944660
There's already a rate thread up

>>6944660
no mention of storytelling nor design skills, btw people enter studios at what going by this graph is mid /int/ so whoever made this doesn't even work as a pro

>>6944685
You should rate that thread.

>>6944660
pyw

>>6944685
Didn't see it, sorry

>>6944738
Storytelling another skill set with another scale, I reckon. Design and composition are included under fundamentals.
/pro/ is synonymous with a very advanced skill level in commercial art, not with the entry threshold for a studio.
I'm not the authority on this though, it can be wrong.

>>6944800
picrel left is imagination (with reference for the Lion), right is a study

~2017

>>6944824
Ernstian kino
also saved

>>6944845
Thanks, I appreciate it
This kind of art is super fun but hard to finish in one go

>>6944851
how do you even plan something like this out? thats something that ive always found fascinating about abstract art like this, how people are just able to pull out all these concepts and figures into one piece and know where to start and stop.

>>6944857
I’m sorry that this is going to sound cliche, but I really just sit down and start drawing lines until I see a shape to work with if that makes sense

>>6944859
no, that makes sense. its hard to just imagine something like that without getting somewhat of a sketch out first. great work, anon

>>6944824
>>6944859
These are very lovely anon, the skills on display are at least high/beg/-low/int/ but it's elevated by the style and design

>>6944872
thanks for the rating. I’ve never really been able to get solid critique of my work before.

I think I'd have a shot at being a real artist if I was capable of any effort whatsoever

>>6944877
prebeg attitude

>>6944901
Well yeah, that's the problem

Remember. I gonna need your full address and a sample your work if you are gonna rate me , otherwise and gonna reply with just "pyw", then gonna cry and leave this board until the next thread.

>>6945008
4/10 no background, no story, just a boob in the void of space doing fuck all.

>>6945008
7/10, due to small head size and my style preferences I will not elaborate further.

My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas ar...

>>6945008
7

great linework , great design, great balance, i personally didn't like the color effect that looks like glossy?milky? like painted by autofill AI but i have no complain about the skill itself so it's just a taste thing

also my name is giovanni giorgio but everybody calls me giorgio

thoughts?

>>6945008
degenerate, but high /int/

>>6945091
mid high /beg/

>>6945093
Can I ask what I can do to get out beg? I pretty much always get rated beg, I’m not really sure what to focus on for improving. Here’s some more of my work. Is it the colouring?

/beg/bros we up

Lots of these are above my skill level so hard for me to comment

>>6944808
7

>>6944859
6 but can’t really tell since it’s so different

>>6944877
3 not sure if from imagination or reference

>>6945008
7 some things look like stylistic choice that I might not like but still looks good

>>6945091
5 maybe you don’t challenge yourself enough so hard to tell if you’re good. Seems good so far though

>>6945102
5 I don’t know this style well so can’t comment on it

rate me

>>6944660
>that is also commercializable in art production industries
There is /beg/ art out there that has been commercialized. Whether or not you've "made it" in a commercialized sense has no bearing on your skill level. Stop treating /pro/ like it's something you can only achieve by being successfully commercialized, and start treating it like the rest of the chart, a tier of technical skill higher than /adv/. That's all it is.

>>6945150
Are you fucking retarded, did you not read the word "also".
> a tier of technical skill higher than /adv/
They're literally at the same level in the picture

>>6945154
It would be more intuitive if it went like this

1. Pre-beg
2. Low beg
3. Mid beg
4. High beg
5. Low int
6. Mid int
7. High int
8. Adv
9. Pro
10. Master (Think of someone like KJG or Yusuke Murata to fit into this tier, the best of the best in our current age and generation)

Adv, Pro, and Master can sort of be seen as Low Pro, Mid Pro, and High Pro respectively as well, to keep it consistent with the previous tiers. Also, people can be high /int/ at drawing one thing, but low /beg/ at drawing another thing. This chart only operates under the assumption that everyone is trying to get good at drawing every subject and topic, without considering that some people may specialize in one or two specific things. Look at some of the highest rated art on Pixib. They're just anime girls in white voids for the most part, but they're really well drawn anime girls in white voids. They're /adv/ level at the very least. Chances are, those people don't know how to draw cars or dogs or complex environments as well as they can anime girls. They'd probably hit low /int/ on those at absolute highest. Does that make them a low /int/ artist then?

Everything about these charts are flawed because they don't account for all avenues of an artist's journey. Someone might look at my art and think that I'm low /int/ because I drew an anime girl that resembles what a low /int/ level of understand would showcase, but that doesn't take into account the fact that anime girls are the ONLY thing I know how to draw. I think it would be more accurate for artists to be rated based on their range of skill, instead of having it be pinpointed into one tier. So for example, I would consider myself to be low /beg/ at my worst and low /int/ at my best, depending on the subject I am drawing.

Would you still draw if you knew you couldn't improve further? Let's say you draw like this >>6944877 (totally not me btw), would you keep doing it? I draw because I enjoy it, but it's hard to put in the effort knowing it won't be enough.

>>6945525
So whenever I drew a quick sketch it was that quality? I don't think I would mind exactly, it would feel a bit strange after many years though. what happens if I spend 100 hours on a piece that I used copious amounts of reference and planning on?
>improve
there are other ways to improve, or just explore your art than just essential fundies. other directions to take your art, different mediums, different subjects, different styles.

>>6945101
>Can I ask what I can do to get out beg?
Based on >>6945091, I'd say the things I'd work on are (1) line quality [little to no line weight variation and contour lines are scratchy which communicates a lack of confidence in the lines], (2) anatomy/pose/foreshortening [the pose as executed doesn't read very well especially the legs--I assume he is sitting with his knees up, but the knees appear to be too far back] (3) shadows are inconsistent [mostly well placed, but the hair seems confused, also the scratchy lines in the hanging bags is working against what you are already doing with color]. Color choice is subtle, but it works--you could play with complimentary colors to get more contrast or hot/cool between shadows and light.

>>6945196
>Low Pro, Mid Pro, and High Pro
Personally, I always get confused by the distinction between /adv/ and /pro/ because I think of the /pro/ criteria as parallel to the /beg/int/adv/ hierarchy. See >>6945150 about commercialized /beg/ art. I think the scale would be better suited if /pro/ was a kicker to the rating based on whether there was something commercially viable in the work.
>flawed because they don't account for all avenues of an artist's journey
I think part of this is a function of only having one piece to rate. Though I would agree if you posted something like an anime girl with a full perspective background and the anime girl was /int/ but the background was /beg/--would that drag the whole piece down to /beg/ or would it stay /int/? It's trying to apply an objective framework against something inherently subjective--there will always be room for disagreement.

>>6945156
Kaneko/10

>>6945563
>>6945533
>>6945196
>>6945568
Autism

>>6945592
Autism x2

>>6945563
Thank you anon. Some of these were deliberate stylistic choices on my part (the linework and hair namely), but if that’s bringing down the appeal I’ll change it.

Other than that I guess I’ll go back to fundies…again.

rate me, you rucking faggots!

>>6946188
high beg

>>6945091
>>6945101
do you push outside of your comfort zone often? these are pretty good, maybe low int but it's hard to tell without seeing if you're capable of drawing backgrounds or objects other than people. I personally like the messier line and values you have going but can't tell if that's a style choice or skill limit.

>>6945091
>>6945101
These are nice. I like your style anon. If I had to pick something for you to work on it'd be how you draw folds, you don't seem confident in their placement.Checking out pic related would be a good idea I think.

R8

I dunno, I feel like 3-5. I've been avoiding learning how to draw people until very recently. It's always been like that.

I dunno, I feel like 3-5. I've been avoiding learning how to draw people until very recently. It's always been like that.

r8

>>6944660

>>6946204
Thanks. And ruck you, too.

>>6946289
damn why are people always sleeping on the best drawings in these threads, that's an easy 7 very nice lineart and good shading

>>6946248
At least low /int/ but could be high /beg/ or mis /int/ depending on how you draw people or whether you even want to

>>6946255
High /beg/

>>6946289
Mid-high /int/

>>6946353
Body and rendering gives low/int/ face gives high/beg/ at most

>>6946381
All are low /int/ except for the three pictures to the left which are mid-high /beg/

>>6946390
At least high /beg/ probably more depending on how you finish things

>>6946394
Low /int/

>>6946469
>three pictures to the left

The moai(s) and peacock?

>>6946473
Yeah everything else is pretty solid but the values on the peacock and the rendering on the top moai aren’t quite there. The bottom moai is not ip to par to the rest.

They’re not bad, but the rest show your skill a lot more, and don’t fret too much about the moai they’re just exercises to relax and clear out, I’d stil say you’re /int.

>>6946483
i can see that, thanks anon. I know this isn't a redline thread, but if I were to take the top moai closer to a completed rendering, is it an issue with the values, or more about form being unclear? Drafting/sketching with line is definitely easier. I need to practice rendering and painting more. I always struggle with values

>>6946495
I think your biggest problem is texture, the values on the forehead make it seem somewhat metallic? In stone, the light areas would be a lot more diffuse. But yes,the lighting seems to hit some front facing surfaces dead on, but some down facing surfaces are too dark

Rate?

I heard people were talking about Moai in this thread, How would you rate this?

Drew it for this thread >>6942236

>>6946353
I agree with >>6946469
But also, Her foot is mirrored. Big toe goes on the inside.

>>6946551
3

>>6946551
mid /beg/ - polished turd desu and resize your fucking images

>>6946552
high /int/, if you can execute other complex drawings/paintings at this level then /adv/

>>6946561
low-mid /int/ also resize

>>6946563
low /int/ also resize

I don't wanna post because you tard tacos rate me too high anyways

I need to how I can keep improving!!!

>>6946640
Hi anon. I might say you're mid-beg. It's very flat, the form is not really there. Focus on drafting/being more precise with your lines. Do some observational still life studies and figure drawing/life drawing studies. Capture the form

>>6945091
did you purposefully make his face look like this

>>6946586
I will rate you as prebeg until you pyw

>>6946212
It is a choice, I’m glad you like it. I’ll try to push myself I think, do a complete piece.
>>6946277
Thank you! Yeah I think I need to study fabric more. Especially how different materials work.
>>6946647
Yes kek. His body is fake, basically a mech. wanted his face to look off putting and mask like.
This was an early draft of his face.

Sorry for size, it's just off my phone

Rate plz

>>6946469
>>6946555
Hmm yeah I really did butcher her face, but anime is not what I usually do, normally just paint animals or realistic portraits. Here is a better animeish face.

>>6946671
Good perspective, interesting comp. high-beg to int. Although the heroes silhouette doesn't read well in the thumbnail. Might want to increase value contrast between him and the enemy, too similar.

>>6946665
Fun. Loose. Could be int. Hard to tell, but your perspective is decent. Bonus points if this is from life. Were the windows really like that? Ugly design.

>>6946673
Nta, but the feet and hands were a bigger offense than the face. The face was bland and flat, but the appendages were wrong and too small.

>>6946679
Int to adv. Good forms and nice cast shadows. Lightning reads really clearly on the thumbnail

>>6946741
Yeah it was from life so the windows are really like that. Drawn on the spot, not from photo

>>6946563
This is low /int/

but this >>6946561 is mid-low/int/?
The right leg is fucked, hands are too small (even in perspective), deltoid is too large, no nostrils, and little concern for proper anatomy.
The colouring is convincing, the contouring is ok, but both are ultimately masking the deficiencies.

You've got the ratings reversed desu.

>>6946657
I started drawing a scene just for you folks here’s to hoping it goes well

A work of mine, "Gigas Breaker", I got inspired by FF6 Terra's "shocked" pose for R.Mika's.

I haven't used any tutorials or art lessons, mainly because I either can't focus or I get frustrated with people telling me how to draw (even though I do wish to get better)

>>6947566
nice trace

r8

>>6946353
Great understand of light and shadow but anatomy and rendering quality could use some work. I say 6, possible 7 after practicing anatomy for a bit.

>>6947566
This looks great, 7

>>6947806
she gets smaller the lower you go

>>6944660
Low Beg here. I'm trying really hard to improve (Doing /dad/. Haven't broken my streak yet!) but shit's hard.

rate plz

The other thread is too fucking slow and I need some yous

>>6948020
Phyrexia/10

>>6948020
8.5/10
1 point off for lack of background
.5 points off for lack of contrast regarding white fairy on white background
That said, the character itself is a 10.

>>6948051
I love that shit
>>6948077
Thanks man
Gonna give it a touch up later, I'll see if I can fix a bit the fairy while I'm there

>>6947859
Don't know how to rate you just by sketches, but seems decent for a total beginner, dunno?
>>6948003
The Anatomy of hands and feet keeps you in the low int i think. Composition and colors work, you need to train lines a bit more. Also the folds on the skirt are a bit weird, but that's one of the hardest things to learn and you're already doing pretty well, you can worry about it later

>>6947697
I don't even use pose references (it shows as perspective and anatomy mistakes), let alone trace lol.

>>6948020
>>6948077
Seconded, this is what I got playing with hue saturation brightness etc a bit.
Took me 30 seconds.
Also maybe try a more square brush for the tectures.

>>6944660
Is this based on a normal distribution? Because going off the descriptions of this 1-8 scale, the vast majority of artists fall in 5-7 range even working professionals (though I’d say most successful artists are in the 6-7 range), not that many people have “manifest mastery”.

>>6948290
8 is there so we all can reach for the stars and maybe land on the moon.

>>6948290
It's a dumb nonsensical rating system. It was made by an ic anon, so it's completely normal that it sucks.

>>6948194
I can't tell if I like that or mine more, I wanted something softer with the light but that looks pretty good
Gonna try the square brush next time, Never used it

>>6948335
Well yeah the colors will do that but it's more about the contrasts.

I'm trying to decide which style I want for my art.
Rate these artists I like, so I can decide which style to copy

>>6948485
A + C when serious
B when horny

>>6944660
>>0 Does Not Draw
I use AI so I'm a PRO

>>6948485
A and C obviously, thought it before I saw >>6948509 btw

>>6948485
A or D, maybe C but that back 3/4 view is concerning. They are all mostly good other than F but not really amazing, you should find better artists to copy, there are tons of great artists who draw in this style.

>>6948485
A and C in the sense of painterly quality. But not A in the sense of shitty lighting and compositional choices. >wouldn't it be cool if it were flash photography for this scene

It is never fucking cool and it looks like shit

>>6948485
What does your post have to do with this thread, dumbass?
>>6948509
>>6948521
>>6948545
>>6948636
Same question to you, replying retards.

>>6948684
Nothing. And I replied because I already replied to on topic shit, and the board is fucking slow. Loosen up.

>>6948685
>Loosen up.

>>6948691

>>6944808
5
>>6944859
6
>>6944877
2
>>6945008
4
>>6945091
3
>>6945101
3
>>6945102
5
>>6945128
4
>>6945156
4
>>6946248
6
>>6946255
4
>>6946289
6
>>6946353
3
>>6946390
3
>>6946394
4
>>6946551
4
>>6946552
6
>>6946561
3
>>6946563
4
>>6946640
3
>>6946665
4
>>6946671
6
>>6946673
3
>>6947318
3
>>6947353
One thing to note is I'm only basing my rating off a single image, seeing more of your stuff make me think 6
>>6947568
2
>>6947569
1
>>6947751
4
>>6947806
2

>>6948748
continued

>>6947859
2 (keep it up king, one of those figures made me think 3
>>6948003
6
>>6948020
5
>>6948485
I rate them in order of my personal taste of who demonstrated the best skill
D A E F B and C

>>6948716
5

These are subject to change and are just guessing based off 1 or 2 drawings, let me know if you agree/disagree with my barometer

>>6948748
3-6 variance is pretty crazy, haha. But I understand. I’ll keep pushing until my work is more consistent. Think I’ve gotten too lazy. Feel like my aesthetic preferences don’t really align with most peoples too. I have bad taste ig

roast my ass, that I might improve

>>6948772
I feel like it's also because the second one has perspective, different facial expressions, a story being told with multiple characters all in one, really elevates it and makes me think you're capable of a lot more

>>6948779
5 or up to 7 depending on how you finish the piece

>>6948772
Not that anon but based on your jankg rendering and hands I feel like you’re symbol drawing a lot. It’s a trap I fell into myself for years, I could draw certain poses and faces very well but would definitely regress to beg any time I tried something new. You have the appealing style part down- study fundies like perspective and form more and you’ll get to consistent 5+ easily. I find that because I was good at symbol drawing I could improve my base level fundies quickly, maybe a few months. Good luck!

>>6949039
mid to high /int/ color/rendering choice could be better but pretty hard to fault you on anything big

>>6948748
People on here are insane

>>6949055
Were the ratings too high or too low? I'm uing the 1-7 scale listed in the OP not out of 10

>>6949060
both

>>6945008
0 for being a little bitch

>>6948779
Got a blog friendo?

random assortment

>>6949129
me
>>6944808
high beg
>>6944824
high beg but kino
>>6944877
midbeg
>>6945008
low int
>>6945091
mid-high int
>>6945102
low int
>>6945128
low beg
>>6945156
mid beg
>>6946248
mid beg
>>6946255
high beg
>>6946289
high int
>>6946353
high beg
>>6946381
high beg
>>6946390
low int
>>6946394
mid beg
>>6946551
mid beg
>>6946552
pro
>>6946561
high beg
>>6946563
high beg
>>6946640
stop using textured brushes to improve. mid beg
>>6946665
high int
>>6946671
mid int
>>6946679
mid beg
>>6947318
mid beg
>>6947566
pro
>>6947568
low beg

>>6949162
cont
>>6947569
pre beg
>>6947751
mid beg
>>6947806
mid beg
>>6947859
u can do it. stop doing fucking construction though
>>6947964
garbage
>>6948003
low int
>>6948020
high beg
>>6948485
low pro
>>6948779
possible pro. depends on final.
>>6949039
high beg

>>6949162
>>6949165
kill yourself and pyw (in that order)

>>6944877
drew over it for fun

>>6949178
its at the top of the first list, dummy.

>>6949178
nta but they literally posted their work above. ._.

>>6944877
>>6945008
>>6945091
>>6945101
>>6945102
>>6946248
>>6946255
>>6946289
>>6946381
>>6946390
>>6946551
>>6946552
>>6946640
>>6946657
>>6946665
>>6946671
>>6946679
>>6947566
>>6948003
>>6948772
>>6948779
>>6949129
appealing

>>6944824
>>6944859
>>6948020
>>6949039
not my thing but interesting

continue drawing i like your art

>>6949129
kino

New thing.

>>6948748
>>6948749
Almost comical
>>6949162
>>6949165
This is pretty reasonable
imo

>>6949179
i love her

>>6944660
roll

/beg/ here, winning so hard

Some cover art

Been working on clothed figures I guess, still not very ambitious with poses or backgrounds
Things to come

>>6950160
I'd say at least 7 my good fellow, for what my opinion's worth
Wonderful lines

>>6950160
Fuck off, Alice

>>6950474
who's alice?

i don't usually paint or do trad but this is the last thing i finished

>>6949113
Sadly not. I've an insta I've not updated in some time, but most of the art there is several years old at this point

>>6950160
Hard to judge based off one drawing.. I'd say maybe low to mid int. Very nice line work. I like the perspective, but the over exaggerated perspective on the thigh seems off and I think you could use work on hands... The style and perspective on heads is a plus... Def on your way up
>>6950368
I'd say your high beg cuz you've got good composition and you've got style imo. Keep on with what your vision anon
>>6950460
Maybe mid beg. Keep trying
>>6950462
Low to mid beg. Keep trying
>>6950473
This is high int to adv... Maybe even pro... Excellent work... Nuff said

>>6950460
SEXO

>>6950541
>high int to adv... Maybe even pro
Damn thanks man

>>6950541
>>6950549
>>6950569
Replied to the wrong post sorry

>>6950473
Ty! Love your gesture.

>>6950474
Meds?

>>6950549
I'm pretty confident with hands. I agree about the perspective being off. I noticed it only at the end. Good catch.

Finished artwork.

>>6950592
Last one for the day.

>>6948485
In terms of skill
D > C >= A > B >> E >>> I

>>6950569
For sure. To be more specific tho... I like your style. They're attractive. Good characterization. Good perspective. I can tell you know how to draw and distort hands. Good clumping of the hair. Very nice folding of the cloth. I might've been over generous because this is only penciled, but if this had equally skilled ink and colors added then I'd say pro for sure imo

>>6950598
Gypsy shit worthy. Crawl back into your caravan, pervert

>>6947569
>>6944877
2
>>6945156
>>6947318
>>6947806
>>6947859
>>6947964
3
>>6944859
>>6944824
>>6945008
>>6945091
>>6945102
>>6945128
>>6946248
>>6946255
>>6946353
>>6946381
>>6946394
>>6946551
>>6946561
>>6946563
>>6946640
>>6946657
>>6946665
>>6946673
>>6946679
>>6947353
>>6947568
>>6947751
>>6948003
>>6948485
>>6948779
>>6949179
>>6950368
>>6950370
>>6950425
>>6950462
>>6950460
>>6950473
>>6950498
4
>>6946390
>>6946552
>>6946671
>>6948020
>>6949039
>>6949399
5
>>6946289
>>6949129
6

I'm 4

>>6950640
Aaaa thank you anon
Yeah I only really started doing (digital) painting this year so I'm still more in my element with just lines but I'm working on that

>>6950675
Good luck anon. Post results

>>6950670
shit rating. overrated a bunch of 3s and 4s, underrated 5s. probably overrating yourself too

>>6949162
>>6949165
is pretty spot on, would change a few things personally though

Mostly I've just been doing sketches

>>6950670
did you draw >>6947568 because that’s easily the worst drawing you rated a 4 by a mile.

>>6950715
Certainly will when I get better at it
Thanks eh

>>6950592
Thanks BBC (if I've got the right artist)

>>6945156
Is my stuff really only mid beg? I think my anatomy is fine, is it the colors?

>>6950792
>>6945156
Is the Makima an original or a study? The way you copied the Harley shows you have nearly no understanding of the forms you're drawing, just contour. I would do more anatomy studies instead of copying drawings

>>6950812
Makimas a copy, and dam, ive already copied multiple anatomy books start to finish including
>>6946277
Probably need to refresh it again

>>6950792
Something about your linework feels like it's an imitation of someone who's actually gone through the work and made the mistakes to create their own look while you're trying to short cut the basics and get to the end result but you don't quite have the eye for perfect copies or underlying skills that got the original artists there so the result is choppy

>>6950841
nta, but you need to focus on form, not just anatomical data. If I were you I would do a perspective refresher too, and apply it to your figures.

6950779
6950762
You clearly ain't looking at the works here and thinking about applying the rating, but obviously go on the "wow" factor or extremely superficial judgement
Is >>6947568 bad because it doesn't have the pretty colors and epic rendering, even though it grasp a few fundamentals but the work isn't polished and has bad anatomy?
Do you also want me to divine what the artists ate today based on what they posted here?

Art skill isn't linear that beg/int/pro has to look certain and very specific ways.
You can have photorealistic rendering but still be a beginner.

>>6944660
Joke's on you crab and your lil /beg/ list. It doesnt even have a category for my highly stylized artwork, Ill help you with that. I am a /Solo/Pro/ because I have already sold hundreds of volumes on amazon. Let me ask you this, how many books have YOU sold?
That's what I thought, None. Now I give your meager rate thread a /0/ because you are either a no draw or an AI monger. Oh before I forget, YANGTMI.

>>6950850
Nta but that’s definitely your drawing kek

6950858
>kek lmao omg so mad that ur drawing btfo epic troll
And there you have it
almost made me post a soijak

>>6950850
kek so it is you. it’s shit, on par with the 3s you chose. maybe try conceptualizing why the artist you rated 6 chose their ratings.

6950864
Epic troll, Anon
I'm very mad and seething too

It's okay anons. Ratings are temporary, improvement is always. Keep drawing and prove those fuckers wrong.

>>6950841
right now you are mid beg, you are prioritizing pretty symbol drawings over fundies. work on form and you’ll get to high beg pretty quickly.

>>6950850
>>6944877
unironically this shitty anime girl scribble shows better understanding of form than the street fighter pic

6950873
>another retarded bait
I'll humor you once, sure, but also what is your point?.
You're comparing a simple scribble, with a full picture.

>>6950869
technically if you improve you aren't proving them wrong, they were right to give you a low rating at the time but since you got better you've earned a higher rating, now on the other hand if they crab/underate you after you've gotten way better then I totally agree
fuck em

Thoughts?

>>6950850
art skill is linear up to a certain point, you can take a skilled artist and ask them to draw something outside of their usual style and they'll still do a better job than a /beg/ or /int/ even though that's not what they've spec'd into also this drawing is..really messy >>6947568
colors are unfocused anatomy is bad, unappealing shapes, composition is okay but nearly everything seems to be unintentionally ugly, yes it's not a complete beg but rating them any higher than 2 or 3 MAX is kinda insane, at least based off only this piece

>>6949039
5

>>6949129
6

>>6949179
4

>>6949399
5

>>6950160
6

>>6950368
4

>>6950370
4

>>6950425
5

>>6950460
>>6950462
4

>>6950473
5

>>6950498
3

>>6950592
6

>>6950598
6 or 7


>>6950769
3

>>6950792
3
>>6950812
8

>>6950841
3

>>6950845
8

>>6950851
2
>>6950901
>>6950902
4

>>6950977
6

Old comic pages...

Life drawings

>>6950972
yepp yepp, fuck em!

charcoal

>>6950978
No it's not, these type of absolute definitions are also wrong and superfluous if we want to be real about it.
You can have some guy who perfectly draws you mecha and tanks from memory, but cannot draw a human face to save his life. Should such a person count as a beg if they can't draw a certain thing even though they can perfectly execute the other thing?
If someone can copy a a piece of art perfectly, does that make him as skilled as the art piece he has copied or is he just good at copying?

I dunno why you anons are so adamant about this, it's high beg, give or take, it fits the description off of that one work.
If an anon wants a more precise rating, they should post more works
Why need to be this autistic about some retarded ratings except for trying to shitpost?
Every single one of these threads is like this
>some retards makes ratings
>clowns ensue the sperging out
So, are these threads legit or just yet the nth (you) farming thread where no one talks about art but only tries to shit on anyone DARING to rate?

4 or high beg isn't a high number either, it's a middle ground, not completely bad, not exceptional either.
Who gives a shit about appeal? I've rated works here that i find utterly unappealing, that work included.

>>6951086
it's low beg. even the artist you rated a 6 thinks that it's low beg. you're the one sperging out here.

>>6951019
>>6951022
6-8
>>6951021
4
>>6951025
5

>>6951064
5

>>6951075
3

>>6951102
Ok and?

>>6951086
You're in a rating thread, why are you posting here if you think tier lists and rating don't mean anything or that people can't objectively rate/measure skills then the whole concept should be beneath you, just focus on your art and draw or give your own ratings and reasoning. I still give the wrestling thing a 3 at best but that's just one piece. High beg would be someone who is good at at least one fundamental but that piece on it's own doesn't demonstrate strength in anything in particular. Sure art is subjective but overall we all know what's strong and what's weak. You can totally dislike something and still admit it's masterfully done.

Also I have no doubt if I took a mecha artist vs a beg they would draw a human face or a flower or 99% of all things better than someone who doesn't understand construction values composition appeal or whatever other metric you want to go by

Also 4 IS a high number for IC have you seen the average on here? we have a few gems but most people are begs but we're all learning and can grow and improve but if you coddle them and pretend like they are better than they are when asking for an honest rating you're just doing a disservice to the future /ints/ and /adv/ Also I don't say this to be a crab, I think that artist will probably get way better over time not sure what other people have commented on it for you to react this way but that ain't me bruh. I read vinland saga I have no enemies

>>6951142
You're putting way too much value on silly ratings as if they actually mean anything actually concrete and irredeemably true and objective.
As if i called a beg a pro, would actually mean anything.

I dunno, if we want to be that semantic,
>shows some competence.... but fails miserably
The composition is alright, the perspective too, the painting and strokes are horrendous and on further inspection it does seems like a paint-over of a 3D scene, but It's not complete and total garbage that it shows that the anon absolutely doesn't know anything, of course, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If it's a paint-over from an already existing picture, it becomes a 1.
>Also 4 IS a high number for IC have you seen the average on here?
Bro, with the 24/7 crabbing and shitposting, only I must watch what i post least i cause a fagularity with a "non-accepted" rating?

>>6951169
I don't think anyone called it "complete and total garbage" you say I put too much stock in ratings but I rated it a 3 and you're replying as if I gave it the hypothetical 1 that (you) gave it if it was to be a 3d model paintover lol

showing competence means not just doing something but doing it well enough to be called good, thats where I'm coming from when I say nothing about that piece makes me think oh they are at least good at "x" aspect of drawing/rendering etc

the 24/7 nodraw crabbing is actually why the average on ic is so low, I would say 3-4 is the average if you don't include them

As for people disagreeing with ratings, someone else called my ratings comical but it is what it is, people can read ratings and average out and get an idea of if they trust the person's judgement based on what they rated other art. It's a fun barometer and on average I think it's accurate and gives people a good idea. I'm not pretending like RATING IS ABSOLUT chill out dude seems like we don't even disagree that much upon closer inspection

>>6950668
Do your parents not allow you to touch your peepee? You are missing a lot.

>>6951178
>I don't think anyone called it "complete and total garbage" you say I put too much stock in ratings but I rated it a 3 and you're replying as if I gave it the hypothetical 1 that (you) gave it if it was to be a 3d model paintover lol
Ok? I did not reply like you gave it a 1? And i did not accuse anyone of saying anything?
You know, why always the needless accusatory shit? I don't get it.
I don't accuse anyone of being one of the anons i gave a rating they didn't like.
>I say nothing about that piece makes me think oh they are at least good at "x" aspect of drawing/rendering etc
A beginner is going to never do something "good enough" to be warranted an objective rating, because you might have someone who does a good drawing but the next drawing is going to suck ass.
A beginner's skill is more like a pendulum, hence why you can't really discern in which bracket they truly belong.
And a single piece isn't enough to actually judge a skill level or make up a psychological profile of the artist and what time they take a shit, that should be obvious.
>I'm not pretending like RATING IS ABSOLUT chill out dude seems like we don't even disagree that much upon closer inspection
I am chill?
Then there is nothing wrong with a 4.
It's not that far off nor does it over rate. You want to give it a 3? ok? You have your reasons, you have your logic, but i ain't going to call you and accuse you of random shit. What's the point in doing that if only to troll and bait?

>>6951178
anon dont waste your time on this delusional dunning permabeg. go help someone in the beg or stupid questions thread instead, it will do more good

>>6951204
You literally said in your previous post here: >>6951169 >but It's not complete and total garbage that it shows that the anon absolutely doesn't know anything, of course, giving him the benefit of the doubt. also yes a beg wont do anything "good enough", why? cause they're a 3, if they did do it well enough they would be a 4 lol that's how ratings go but I do agree with the pendulum thing, powerlevels do fluctuate, I remember a few years back I would draw something on occasion which I felt was way better than my usual level and when trying to recreate that same effect or spark it just couldn't be done at the time.

Implying that we rated it too low by giving it less than a 4, that's not an accusation that's just what you've written.

>>6951216
Okay I'll try last reply from me then I feel like we're talking past each other anyways or maybe they're confusing me with some other anon who gave the wrestling drawing a 2 or 1?

>>6951222
Ah sorry my ordering/ formatting got screwed up
>>6951169
>but It's not complete and total garbage that it shows

Implying that we rated it too low by giving it less than a 4, that's not an accusation that's just what you've written.

also yes a beg wont do anything "good enough", why? cause they're a 3, if they did do it well enough they would be a 4 lol that's how ratings go but I do agree with the pendulum thing, powerlevels do fluctuate, I remember a few years back I would draw something on occasion which I felt was way better than my usual level and when trying to recreate that same effect or spark it just couldn't be done at the time.

(Sorry if that was hard to read, totally on me <_<)

>>6944660
Pre beg is what i am (;

Holy shit anons, it's 2:30 where I am right now but it was fun seeing you two try to eviscerate each other. Get some sleep, even if it's sunny where you are. Goodnight

>>6951224
And that's your issue; you're assuming way too much and clearly not reading.
That other anon singled that piece out, but if i do not agree then suddenly i must be mad, seething and the artist of the sf thing? What the actual fuck is wrong with you retards?

Anon, i do not care what you guys rated that piece, but i do take issue that only i have to watch my words because god forbid the begs might think they're another type of begs, while everyone else can do and say what they want.
Which in conclusion, does confirm that this is just yet another shitposting thread.

You want it to say it's a 3? Ok, it's a 3 then.
Very funny and i am epically pranked.

>>6951233
Literally who said anything about you being mad, or trolling, or that this thread was shitposting other than you? Nobody replying to you has called you retarded, or a troll, or anything that you've been calling other anons or used any of those words. Other than you, of course.

You two fags realize that there's literally no fucking reason to argue about a made up rating system? Just checking

>>6951238
I'm a third anon chiming in actually. I guess there's multiple spectators.

>>6951235
Again, Anon, very epic and funny troll.
I am literally crying and shidding my pands.
>>6951238
No, we must argue because my opinion is correcter and the others are shit and anyone saying rating i dont like is shit dunning kruger crab permabeg.

I mean, isn't that very epic?
>make thread
>needlessly shit on anyone posting in it for the most retarded reasons
It's every single thread.

>>6951230
lol it ain't 2:30 or me tho

Some stylized environment...

>>6944660
no one uses this in the real world. useless thread

>>6950977
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>6951835
prebreg

Too late for a rate?

>>6951835
2.5 but good ambition

>>6951347
you've posted like 10 times

>>6952463
4

>>6952471
15 times actually lol
just curious what tickles yalls fancy and what directions ive gone in that might be more effective than others. no biggie

>>6944859
Gyatt damn that's fucking cool as hell bro

I only started to learn to draw a couple months ago.
I got a lot to learn

>>6950473
really good, hands remind me a bit of Alke's work

>>6952463

High int

>>6950498
i want more of this
blog?

>>6950498
>>6953309
come on give me the fucking blog

>>6944660
rate mine

do your worst

>>6955670
infantile/8

It's been awhile and need to draw new shit, just been busy

Sorry but I already know im low to med beg

>>6956051
you are a nodraw until proven otherwise.

>>6953309
>>6954786
sorry i didn't look the thread for a while. it's @jojojojojojoje on instagram

>>6944824
>>6944859
>>6944877
>>6945128
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>>6953109
>>6955680
>>6956050
begs in thread

>>6956450
(You)

>>6944808
>>6945008
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>>6950977
ints in thread

>>6946248
>>6947566
>>6949129
>>6950160
>>6950598
pros in thread, although this coloring job >>6950592 lowers the score of the piece

>>6956450
>Not even a number rating

been doin animation
havent noticed a constructive thread for it on /ic/ for a bit tho

Really reading the criteria for each, I might actually at best be locked into mid beg given I mostly draw characters and have limited experience with implementing composition or perspective.

lil something

>>6956486
OPs rating system is BS. Why would anyone with a brain even use it.

>>6957412
It's all we have until someone makes a better one. Can you do it? Would you? I highly doubt it.

>>6957416
What that other anon rated is proper. You don't need those autistic numbers that make 0 sense.

>>6957458
>autistic numbers
>0 sense.
seems pretty straight forward to me...

I appreciate any feedback

Pikachu too, cause why not

>>6959231
left ear seems very tall

>>6955680
High beg
>>6956050
Mid beg
>>6956673
Low int
>>6957403
Mid beg
>>6958413
Low int
>>6959231
Midbeg

won't critique anyone since I'm just starting out, but how am I doing for a first go at a sketch with some charcoals? Any feedback or resources would be appreciated

>>6948772
If I could reach this level I'd be done with /ic/, you're doing really well

>>6959337
Thank you anon! I am trying my best to apply the advice I receive.
Unfortunately I am autistic and will never leave here, but I hope that you can soon

What level would this be?

>>6944660
You or the clueless mongrel dog who made this chart clearly doesnt draw or like to draw. A. Because they didnt even bother to draw the chart to begin with and B. because it's predicated on skill level of the artist, which isnt how anyone with any respect for the craft rates a piece of artwork. And to any naïve or aspiring artist reading this, please do not give this inane image any space in your memory, it is entirely without value and feeds into the ouroboros that is comparing yourself to other artists.

What level /ic/?

>>6959513
>tableguy junior

I've been on a love-hate relationship with art for a few years now. While I know there are many resources for beginners out there, I just don't trust myself with learning the basics without a tutor that can be there to correct me of my bad habits, which I think I've garnered quite a few already.
Am I wrong here? Can you, after years of being heavily structured in what might be the wrong foundations, really get better without the advice and critique of someone who's skill you respect?
This mostly applies to my drawings, I seem to do better with sculpture since I struggle achieving depth and a sense of a third dimension on a 2d medium. If you need to quantify it, I'd say I land on a 2 or a 3 in this scale.

>>6959464
>mad he got rated 2

>>6959537
Lol
Lmao even

>>6959649
Don't be jelly my nigga what I don't have in technical skills I make up for in depravity I'll be joining the kangs of /ic/ shortly

>>6959653
WE WUZ KRABNGS

this is an old drawing but whatever

>>6949129
always love to see ur stuff dogbro. wonder if axe ever lurks here

a work in progress but what is my rating so far

>>6960020
I think theres a good chance

I'm >>6947318
Back with a beetle, enjoy

Am I an artist?

>>6960177
Low int
>>6960211
Low beg
>>6960220
High beg
>>6960477
Mid beg