/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

No anon you don't get it; you're supposed to be seething and coping because the magic art software can render the epic pictures and get likes on facebook while you cannot.
And this is the troll, so you're supposed to feel butthurt and seething because you can't draw generic image rendered like a photograph in 0.5 seconds by amalgamating a plethora of pictures.

>>6932754
>no other value to AI art beyond being cheap pornography
True. And that's a problem.

To get good at art one has to spend years training and painting. Drawing porn was an easy way for /int/ artists to make a living with it, while they practiced to get to a /pro/ level which would let them find an art job. But with AI this avenue of income is rapidly dying. I pity future generations if they'll aspire to becoming professionals.


And you're missing a big picture. 3-4 years ago it was unthinkable for making a successful business out of sellin AI art because of how ugly it was, and now patreons that do that are real. AI grows at an exponential rate, not linear.

>>6932804
you sound like a retard that thinks this porn golden rush existed for decades.

At best we got 15 years of this gold mine of internet porn commisions.

What porn furry commisions shit existed during loomis time?

>>6932754
It seems like the post expresses frustration with the current state of AI-generated art, particularly emphasizing a perceived lack of depth, narrative, or artistic value in the output. The author also criticizes the prevalence of explicit content among AI-generated images.

It's important to note that opinions about AI-generated art can vary widely. Some argue that AI has the potential to create innovative and unique artworks, while others share concerns similar to the ones expressed in the post. It's true that the current capabilities of AI art may be limited in terms of complex composition, narrative, or the ability to evoke deep emotions.

However, it's worth considering that AI technology is continually evolving, and the field of AI art is still relatively young. As the technology advances, we may see improvements in the ability of AI programs to create more sophisticated and meaningful art.

Additionally, the use of AI in creating explicit content can be a reflection of the data it has been trained on. If models are primarily trained on explicit or low-quality images, it might affect the quality of the generated content. As the field matures and more diverse datasets are used, we may see a broader range of creative outputs.

In conclusion, opinions on the value of AI-generated art vary, and the technology is still evolving. It will be interesting to see how AI art develops in the future and whether it can achieve a broader range of artistic expression.

>>6932806
>he doesn't know

>>6932754
if it was so bad, why would (((they))) need keep making anti ai propaganda like this thread?

>>6932754
Since when do you draw /v/ smugcat spammer?

>>6932810
I love when chat gpt always writes the most pseud female friendly corporate memphis text possible.

>>6932814
what propaganda, nigger?

I just make a single thread about this shit.

>>6932815
since 2005.

>>6932754
>>6931616
>>6930280
>>6928269
>>6931332
>>6930696
>>6932750
>>6929395
did something happen? AI fags seem desperate lately

>>6932824
all of those threads are clearly ANTI-AI, duh
but i agree, they're desperate nowadays

>>6932836
they false flag so it doesn't get deleted. you can tell because they all hit bump limit on this slow ass board talking the same points in every thread for nearly a year now

>>6932842
if you actually try to post in those threads or be reasonable, you'll find an army of anti-AI zoomers parroting memes, and following the msm narrative.
i'd say we're being raided now, but then again: 4chan has been nothing but psyops 24x7 after the 2016 elections

>>6932851
Anti AI people on an art board? No way! Its almost like AI is toxic to the art scene and everyone's tired of all the brazen theft and spamming. Fuck off.

>>6932851
>everyone who doesn't worship AI is a deep state actor

>>6932851
>proceed to call anyone not bowing down to the pro-ai dogma a zoomer parrot
>any pro-ai debate is always on bad faith and wishful thinking
>"anti-ai sentiment is mainstream narrative"
>"nooo u cant draw with your hands and learn to draw! u must prompt u fucking luddite r u seething yet?"
>this has been going for a year now
>"yo why are people not debating me honestly even though i will argue in bad faith because that's the usual evolution of these threads? must be fucking zoomers"
lurk more retard.

>>6932851
The last thing you ai niggers are in any sort of discussions is reasonable.

WHO CARES
It can be the most accurate and le pretty picture dispenser one day but I will never care. Why? Because I only care about how good *I* can draw! Not some fucking machine, not what some CEO of some dying company thinks, not what some faggot on 4chan thinks, and for sure as hell not what some retards who couldn't be assed to pick up a fucking pencil think!
I've played with AI, and as easy as it is to prompt refs and ideas, it just doesn't give me the same sense of fulfillment as drawing something on my own. Everything else is irrelevant to me.

>How 4chan fags haven't made any picture that is interesting
I've tried. The problem the technology has is that no matter what, it can't picture what's in your head, and it can't be really unique because it's just a remix of preexisting content. I like the top left for example, but it's stylistically unoriginal. Yandex it and you'll see too many familiar-feeling pieces.
Still, it's great for idea generation, and seeing how "someone else" would do it. Some of the ideas here will most likely find their way into my own work, even if only on the level of abstracted shapes and values.

>i havent seen anything i like yet therefore its all bad

>>6932978
the only good shit is the anime porn of celebrities.

>>6932978
Interesting! What prompt did you use?

>>6932990
you wouldnt be able to gen this even if you had the prompt

>>6932978
>>6933001
post more meat caves, I need them for my "inspiration" folder

>>6932978
If its something appealing looking then you better believe a shit load of good artists were robbed to make it happen. No thanks. Also whatever you're posting feels evil as fuck. Seek jesus or something. God damn AI is vile.

>>6933001
why are you using img2img of your hemorrhoid and adding bits manually to then feed back in to make your asshole look more like a pussy

>>6932754
It is garbage for now, but it will stop being so one day, maybe sooner than you think. How will you cope once that happens? You'd best come to terms with the fact that the next step in the evolutionary chain is in the making, general AI doesn't sound like fiction anymore. There is still immense value in what we do but looking at what this technology can do right now and thinking of how far it's come in just under one year of progress should speak for itself. I just hope Sam Altman gets raped in his ass by all the lawsuits for turning a non-profit organization that scraped the entirety of the internet into a for-profit company, that son of a bitch deserves life prison. I hate him with a passion for what he has done to the "middle man", I want to see him suffer. He legit turned me into a fucking psycho.

>he hasnt seen the gooncaves

How are people still buttmad about AI art? Aren't you guys tired?

>>6933044
Never forgive never forget

>>6933044
Tired of seeing my dreams flushed in a toilet? I hope someone actually loses his mind over this and goes on a murder spree with the fuckers that are stealing artists' works for the sake of business and not human progeess.

>>6933044
Nah I'm ready to molotov your and every other AI user's house. I'm just getting started.

>controlnet
>img2img
i doubt you even know what these mean but its cute your knowledge is about 6 months out of date

>>6933059
there hasn't been a major development since controlnets and animatediff is for video.

>>6932806
The Swing (Fragonard)

>>6933059
>you're out of date, hands are solved
>pic rel
kek

>>6932806
Probably a lot more than you think.

>AI art is BAD, really bad
>But it's also ruining my art career
How does one reconcile these two contradictory ideas?

>>6933126
>>AI art is BAD, really bad
mostly true, AIfags who are not artists can't do shit
>>But it's also ruining my art career
Not true yet, might not be for a long time, may happen if enough artists of my caliber decide to use it

>>6933090
It's funny when they say that when you can go to any of the 15+ ai generals and see all the hands are still fucked up

>>6933129
This shit has to be regulated, just like it is illegal to pirate movies and games it should be illegal to train AI models for profit with copyrighted data without authors' consent. We can't let people just do whatever the fuck they want in a civilized society. Open source models will always be available to anyone anyway.

>>6933097
I sense satan in these.

I think AI can produce decent stuff if you're stuck on how to design something or if you want some ideas flowing. As it is now, however, it still not a replacement for real artists. Companies use AI because they're soulless and only care about spending less money, not artistic integrity.
Maybe at some point we'll see AI be a serious threat to draftsmen, but the day is yet to come, I feel.

>>6933177
>”i sense satan”
>77 dubs

life is just going to be worse and more automated. Even if we get gay space communism (I forget what its called) it wont be real. My values and art appreciation come from my parents and the world coming up is one where those can't exists.
I'm gonna end my life soon before all the fake AI zombies emerge. Maybe AI will streamline my suicide since all methods seem a bit clunky.

>>6935205
Bro just unplug your modem wtf. Plenty of people get by without spending a minute online.

>>6933039
IP laws.

Generative AI for entertainment will disappear and companies will pivot to different shit, maybe more dangerous, like social engineering or ML applied to military.

>>6935258
you're right, each time my internet goes down I hope it's for good. >>6935258
I'll try, do you know any countries to move to not pushing any of this AI crap? Maybe somewhere in Europe where I can still work.

>>6935279
Will have to wait and see. If ai is helpful in some way, small countries may wish to use it to improve infrastructure. But there will be a lot of people like you and me who prefer a wholesome human world, and will form large communities around that.

>>6932754
i find plenty of images i find interesting enough to save.
in fact, i'll go through twitter right now:
voila, third image.

don't get me wrong, humans still have the upper hand overall in terms of variety. but still.

again new.

someone trying to sell a fully AI artbook at comiket?

>>6935304
idiot

>>6932804
>3-4 years ago it was unthinkable for making a successful business out of sellin AI art because of how ugly it was, and now patreons that do that are real. AI grows at an exponential rate, not linear.

Hold up, if you can make money off of selling AI porn, then this /int/ avenue you mentioned earlier still exists technically. It just requires less human input now. Idk how lucrative it is, but isn't this technically a net positive for /int/ artists? Think about it, you can use basic rendering skills to touch up AI work while having it in a totally different style from what you actually draw. This 1) allows you to pump out hentai at a quicker rate than ever and 2) not hindering your chance to make it in an industry if one still exists in 10 years time, since your art will have 0 trace of the AI hentai your cranked out.

Can someone link me to any artists actually making a killing off of this on patreon?

>>6932810
>It's important to note

Cool chat-gpt response m8

>>6932754
AI will make human labour completely useless. It doesn't matter if you are in arts, science, or craft/trades. The only thing manual labour has going for them is an additional year where they can gloat about everyone else being made redundant.
I don't know what delusions people have that their job is irreplacable or, just learn AI prompting, lmao.
If you can create AI that has language understanding and visual understanding nothing can't be replaced. The plumber bros will be left in the dust just like the coding bros who were styling on the Art bros. The gloating didn't last long did it? Moreover, they will absolutely push for AI to be able to replace each and every job, because in the end this is also about making the herd powerless. Can't threaten nobody if you have no way to go on a strike.

>>6938656
Ergo since every job will be made redundant it's best to persue a job you love, because let's face it it's mostly about how you spend your time.

>>6938656
Ironically AI will be the biggest company killer in the modern age. Each company will be reduced to a glorified User Interface which is arguably pretty shitty in the first place. The only one holding any real power will be companies creating the AI models and renting the processing power to their client base, which will be everyone.
The only remaining product will be AI, because it is the most desired aspect of human labour.
Unlimited skill, resources, and time efficiency.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

>>6932806
>porn commissions
>gold mine
Let me guess... southern central America?

>>6933039
>Sam Altman
Unironically what is that literal Jewish faggot hiding? I don't think I've seen a single image of him where he doesn't look like a terrified teenager who just remembered that he failed to close his porn tab before going to school.

>>6938676
look up his sister and the allegations she made.

>>6938694
Kek not surprising.

>>6933039
What do I need to cope for? AI art being good or bad doesn't affect my own art. how would this hypothetical future be any different than the present where there are plenty of artists way more skilled than me already?

this is a serious question, can an ai advocate answer this? Why would you let IA art discourage you from drawing?

>>6932754
>How 4chan fags haven't made any picture that is interesting or I would call good?
Well to create something resembling art with AI you would have to know something about the history of art and name some artists. For example I use AI to create images in the style of the early surrealists such as Ernst, Dali and Miro. The results are interesting but not as good as the original work of these men.

>>6932754

As someone who just completed a M.Sc. and a thesis in computers focusing on AI, here are my two cents:

A. AI is receiving the same treatment just like any other technological advancement in art back in the day. The art industry is historically notorious for being a strict gatekeeper. Cinema, photography, and digital drawing received the same treatment.

B. AI art will converge to the same point the mentioned technologies above have converged: a tool and a medium. AI art will be there, but just like digital vs traditional vs photography it'll have its own medium. Now, lets elaborate on the tool part since its the most important.

C. AI will, and I fucking repeat, WILL, converge into being the artist's new ctrl+z, paint bucket and magic wand tool. Blending, selecting, bucket tooling, texturing and all that tedious crap artists do now will be automated. If I went back in time and told Michelangelo that his hours spending on perfectly filling his 4 by 4 meter painting the sky with a homogeneous perfect teal tint could be done in two minutes, he would have thrown me to the pit to fight gators for my life, and yet we are fine with digital art now because all the retards against it have either died or are teaching in art school.

D. AI will bleed into the animation industry and simplify about 70% of the tedious crap. For example: auto-generated tweens (that will be hand fixed later), auto-generated fast action smears, 3D pose prediction and fixing (already exists, Cascadeur), complete mesh retopo (already exists), texture fixing and generation. You know, all the tedious crap...

Also there is the thing that AI could guide you while you're drawing to see anatomical / shading mistakes or just give you good general directions as to where your painting looks wrong.

>>6938736
>Cont.

And in general, fuck the "art community" in general. Programmers, doctors and engineers are thanking god for AI advancements since we can solve so much shit we couldn't solve today.

Early cancer detection, protein folding, material stress testing and fluid simulations are getting solved right before our eyes and yet the art community fears that their furry porn commissioners might start generating their own porn and stop paying them.

Aside from that edgy and probably wrong comment right now, there is the problem we don't know where this shit will lead us. Human labor is already as bad as it is and now we are replacing more people with more monetiazable robots. Shit will get much more mass-generated and I am fearing for the future. I mean fuck the captcha is already annoying as it is because of AI bots go figure what gets fucked up next....

>>6938736
>The art industry is historically notorious for being a strict gatekeeper.
Stopped reading right there lmoa.
The shit that qualify as art even before AI is unreal

>>6938736
>D
the only D you're taking is big tech's, larper. stick to your nerd shit and don't open your trap about animation

>>6938736
>we are fine with digital art now
Speak for yourself, slave of babylon.

>>6938768
>>6938774

I'm fine being wrong, but at least I'm not mentally disabled.
This is a low traffic board at least try giving some points.

Pic related.

>>6938736
>art industry is historically notorious for being a strict gatekeeper.

Yes I'm always confronted by the rich Art lobby, and the millionaires minted by pursuing art.

>AI is receiving the same treatment just like any other technological advancement in art back in the day.

That's only because you are complete morons. No shame in that.Never ever in the age of technology has an active tool been invented. Every tool ever invented needed someone capable of using it. Now you have a tool using humans.

>AI will, and I fucking repeat, WILL, converge into being the artist's new ctrl+z, paint bucket and magic wand tool.

No it won't stop being a fucn delusional moron. Once AI catches on you think they will stop automating processes, making human input more significant than :"I wanna see a new Blockbuster" end of human creativity.

>You know, all the tedious crap...

Yes everything tedious making the craft what it is.

>>6938779

> Never ever in the age of technology has an active tool been invented.

Photography? The seething portrait painters had when the first cameras got invented? The money the lost?

> Once AI catches on you think they will stop automating processes?

My point was AI guided art will remain for about 20+ years, we are still far behind "draw me a blockbuster", and probably forever be due to how fucking efficient the brain is compared to hardware.

> Yes everything tedious making the craft what it is.

Ah yes, I'd love to go back to the old days, where we had to hunt for food, have limited colors for painting and die from bronchitis.

>>6938789
>Photography?

Yes photography is a passive tool, good observation. Honestly seething indeed, and with good reason.

> AI guided art will remain for about 20+ years

I bet the AI could guide you by the nose, till you drop dead without you realising you are dancing to its tune.
What was this whole muhhh COVID debacle, why now. How could they cull that many goy cattle? There you have your answer cattle not needed.

>>6938738
>Early cancer detection, protein folding

You do not actually believe anyone anywhere actually is looking for a cure for cancer do you? Oh, that would really be too rich. How many vaccines did you take?

> Programmers, doctors and engineers

Yeah those cucks have it a long time coming.

>>6938778
okay tripfag

>>6938779
>Now you have a tool using humans.
imagine saying this unironically.

>>6938824
Imagine not realizing it's the truth.

>>6938824
Someone should make an AI bot to prompt the latest twitter fanart fads that can also post them on x

>>6932754
Enter

>>6938837
How shit is this huh anons? I’m sure we would all be super stoked to spend 3 days drawing something like pic related and you only get 1 (you).

>>6938845
Anons wish they could just churn out high quality shitpost content related to a subject in 30 seconds :)

>>6938847
You see, it’s mostly about being able to have quick rapid fun thoughts and getting what you pictured quickly. Yeah they ain’t perfect but you really need to a dirty gate keeping nigger to not see the benefits of getting any reference you want based on any person or character. If you guys hate it so much, just use them as your ref sheets. Why you gotta be such fags? No one gave a shit about your art 10 years ago, they weren’t going to care 10 years from now.

>>6938851
Let’s see some of your latest art anons, feel free to critique this shit AI art and will critique yours

>>6938852
>>6938851
>>6938845
>>6938837
Surely this is really bad anons, let’s see what my boys have been cooking on clipstudio the past four weeks

>>6938853
Let’s see anons card

>>6938856
Come on lads, post your latest piece. Let’s see where the 4chan artists are brewing

>>6938851
I don't care. The same attitude you have to all the artists losing their livelihoods, shall be the same attitude you shall receive once you lose yours. At least the art bros still have their art.

>>6938861
Why not just ref and trace like every other professional artists who has contracts with developers and media studios? You boys just need to stay ahead of the curve. Utilize this stool and make good art, it’s getting to the point where it doesn’t matter as long as it’s visually appealing. I’m not trying to be a nigger for the sake of it, rather, I’m just trying to make you guys GTFO off the horse. You boys have years and years of experience in composition. Really artists can churn out high quality material even faster now.

>>6932754
This cat needs correction

>ai nigger
>tourist
>esl pajeet
>samefag
>marvelslop consoomer
You don't need to post any pictures, anon, you are an art piece yourself

>>6938865
> Utilize this stool and make good art, it’s getting to the point where it doesn’t matter as long as it’s visually appealing.

This is not art. I don't know what it is but it is not art and certainly is of no value to me. It is not even craft, it is complete bs. Ask the AI to make a good composition for all I care. Find a new name also for what you are doing, because Art has been used and abused for all kinds of bullshit it's enough.

>>6938869
Sorry forgot to post my latest illustration

>>6938865
>You boys just need to stay ahead of the curve.

There is no curve to stay ahead of. You make it sound as if Art will still be alive and not just automation glob.
Again expect your attitude to return to you once the AI comes for your job to "enhance" it.

>>6938874
where is it?

>>6938873
It is art and no matter how much squealing you do, it won’t change that. Yeah I’m sure it’s much more satisfying to google 39 pictures of owl and pull the three you like and then find 26 antler pictures find the 3 you like and slap em all over your monitor while you frantically visually copy details for your insanely unique and fresh idea.
>>6938878
I service industrial nuclear medical equipment and cyclotrons. Il be dead before that happens lmao. Again I’m not here to shit on you, I’m just trying to help you fags stop acting like fags. Only a total fucking loser would watch on the side lines. You guys have leagues of skill and experience over prompt coomers, if you niggers saw this tech and didn’t think “oh shit I’m gonna some money off this” you were never going to succeed anyway. Just admit this is a hobby of yours and the barrier of entry was completely destroyed, and now coomers don’t have to pay you to make disgusting cow dick girls

tripschizo still huffing copium

>>6938883
Lmao, I think I'm arguing with a bot, oh the irony.

>>6938886
Your arguing with a Chad prompt fag dabbing on you.

>>6938888
Check em, iv also seen my prompt art reposted on /v and TV several times. How many people do you think even saved something you posted?

>>6938888
This right here shows me you are doomed and designed to fail in your hybris. I'm not being dabbed on by a Chad, I'm being dabbed on by AI used by a fag and I couldn'T care less about it.

>>6938894
Bro as soon as I’m done with my coffee this will leave my brain and I will go back to my life without a care. You on the other hand have to battle a crusade hahaha

>>6938895
Pee pee poo poo

>>6933044
Tired over literal garbage being shoved into our faces constantly. Fuck the legal discussion. AI is ugly as hell. I shouldn't have to be subjected to your horrible bad fucking taste in visuals.

>>6938852
>>6938853

>>6938883

>>6932754
Shitskin 75iq thirdworlders get 50,000 kikeberg updoots per day for posting wonky AI generations of bedrooms/cabins/animals using shit models that take 30 seconds using braindead promots.
Ditch the mouse and pick up some oilpaints fag, digital art is no different from their slop, aside from the fact they make 10x as much as commission artists.

>>6940689
This. Fucking sick of ramjeesh and chingchong and paco SPAMMING this shit everywhere on every board and every thumbnail and every website.
Anyone that isn't doing it for cheap gibs doesn't give a shit about profit or 'defeating artists' or any of that crap. The ONLY people that argue are dogshit """digital "artists""" who are DESPERATE to make a profit and shitskins that are DESPERATE to fool morons for cheap ad revenue through a variety of avenues.
No one that can actually draw well cares.
No one that can paint well cares.
No one thats proooomting cumbrain waifus cares.
No one thats making a few dozen wallpapers in 40 seconds cares.
No one but a fraction of anons instantly recognize this which leads me to believe it's manufactured bullshit or and /beg/ rage from people who HEAVILY rely on a program to make their 'art'.
Sketchfags are kino.
Sketchfags on a tablet are kino, from a couch.
Muh 'serioussss artissstssss' from a tablet on a couchare below toddler tier when fingerpainting.
Muh 'serioussss prooomtersss it's art too!!'niggers are below fa/g/s that do it while jacking off at 4am.

>>6941078
All you need to ask is
>do you "draw" for money, or for fun?
>do you make slop for money, or for fun?
The latter willl tend to answer
>to shit on the people whining about a loss of 10 dollars in their $15/month commission
Like a reaction to the seethe when you say
>In order of importance I will pay money for https://www.youtube.com/@YVNart/videos , then I will practice for 5,000 hours, fail, and generate my own in the background while shitposting in the meantime, and THEN I will laugh at you asking for money for your digital bullshit that is indifferent from the former, aside from a few fuckywuckies less.
I find every angle of all of this hilarious

>>6941078
>Ditch the mouse and pick up some oilpaints fag, digital art is no different from their slop,
Why start a fight with digital artists when they're in the same boat as you? If people want to use digital, let them, both digital and traditional art forms are valid and shouldn't be pitted against one another when AI and its shills are already trying to obfuscate both.

Every time AI fags show up on /ic/ they make a fool of themselves. where are the cool calm collected AI users?

>>6941101
Do whatever you want as long as you enjoy it. The people that _really_ complain are the ones that heavily rely on a program for 90% of the skill. They're trying to make money, and the same ones that oay commission for whatever it is they want (usually porn) will pay 500 times less for 99% of the "quality". Anyone that dod that seriously switched to prooomoting and editing and boom it's done in one hour vs 25.
I paid $150 for a print and I'd never spend a dime on aything that isn't physical. The ones that will are the exact same that are satisfied with AI.
Any argument about pwning muh artists 'we're the REAL artists now!’ is purely manufactured or ragebait.

Can't get a good photo and not gonna takeit out of the frame - 25x60ish watercolor of the mountain just south of my childhood home. Much more detailed in person lmao

This AI picture was funny

>>6938736
>Cinema, photography, and digital drawing received the same treatment.
No.
>B an the other points
So, no.
>As someone who just completed a M.Sc. and a thesis in computers focusing on AI, here are my two cents:
And so, nope.
>>6938778 ridiculous, people just don't have your time...

Conclusion, no.

>>6938656
even science folk are having existencial dreads over AI

>>6941434
>>6938656
https://youtu.be/3l1RMiGeTfU?si=cCQR_bp-P76FMXw6

kots > dogs

Necro bumping fags are at it again

>>6938883
niggertranny this narrative that pencil monkeys get a one up when using AI is such horseshit, it's just you throwing a bunch of words in the prompt field and refining it until it shits out nice looking shit and then you img2img variations until it does something cool

having meme knowledge about some art theory is not the super weapon you push it as

Is it just me or someone got assmad and making slide spam threads for three days now?
I wonder who could that be. Tripfag, my man, surely you're not that immature and butthurt over your new obsession being a pajeet grifting machine for untalanted niggers? Right?

>>6941477
projection, the pajeet screetchers are the obsessed ones, it's like /pol/ niggers and their jew fetish

>>6941481
Sure my tripfaggarino, somehow its started after you got shat on in every ai thread.

>>6941488
ah this is another erictranny scenario where you're seeing glowies behind every post, unironically consider for a moment how you might be having some issues if you think you're being gang stalked by some specific poster because of course you can see through the matrix and recognize the posting pattern or whatever whatever dumb shit led you to your unfounded cobclusion and that of course means I am whatever boogieman that's following you everywhere you go, am I in your walls too?

>>6941493
maybe you shouldn't post like him to begin with

>>6938656
complete and utter nonsense. this won't happen in our lifetimes or in any lifetime. how the fuck does a plumber get affected by this
>inb4 boston dynamics
consider the economics of the situation. think of why lab meat will NOT become the standard any time soon unless you somehow manage to make it cheaper.

>>6941502
you're like some stereotypical schizo who reads encoded messages between the lines

>>6941513
see, the funny thing is that I'm not that previous anon. and your insistence at denying is just counterproductive. doubly so because you've bumped the thread

>>6941519
I don't sage threads like some tranny who can't handle their safe space being invaded by things that they feel threatened by, I'm concerned over AI image generation but all the discussion is always pure cringe emotional whining and efforts to shut it down

>6941526
So anon your just want to dramafag making bait threads near 24/7 this thread is like the 12th one this week.

what exactly news worthy about these threads other than seeing complaints and AIniggers go use AI

>>6941538
I barely come on /ic/, again you're delusional, I don't mind AI threads though since AI image generation and how it is going to change landscape is something I care about

>6941544
So nigga >>>/g/ that way or go to any other board has AI dumps
you niggas wanting to be c(YOU)m dumps bumping and making retarded threads honestly shouldn't be surprising when people tell you to fuck off

>>6941558
you're malding but you'll have to live with it, I don't care about ai image dumps, the topic is the relevant part, it's going to destroy the patreon porn hustle as I see it, the fact that the mere topic of AI image generation makes you go full troon mode with all your shut it down demands is honestly sad

>>6941566
I'm not third worker anon that needs Patreon or Fiverr Robuxs
>I could ask whether you'll be watching Digital Circus for how much making porn seems to be on your agenda

>>6941580
I live on neetbux in finland

You're strawmaning too hard
Surely no schizo ever would devote xemselve to spam fourchink for some vague reason known only to xim. Right?
Because why would anyone. Because it's never happen before. What is pattern-recognition?
> you hate my ai slog?! Lets see you drown in 50 shit threads you drawchuds

>>6941623
>muh posting patterns
yeah take your antipsychotics

If this place had proper moderation none of these would exist.
It's all just spam made to fill up space. Probably made by same schizo.
Proving again that burger healthcare system is a mess.
Wasn't like this before 2020

>>6941643
why do evem care to backseat janny some dead third worlder underage weeaboo drawing blog board?

>>6941649
you care enough to make a lot of those, niggertourist

>>6941652
just saying there's nothing important in this wasteland

>>6941526
okay tripfag nigger

>>6933126
>AI art is just good enough to get attention and be used in throwaway projects.
>AI is fast enough that it can be churned out for advertising/propaganda.
Ergo, ruined "art career."

>>6941666

Ah great. Flashback 2 game use ai "art"

>>6941777
despicable

>>6938883

>>6941777
Not sure if it's true but the game reviews shows it being a buggy mess
>and AIniggas said AIart would help developers "focus" other more important parts
It's another wait and see if they fix it game... great

>>6941795

>>6938859

>>6941815

>>6941566
you're a retard seeking approval. you're going to have to live with people shitting on you for trying to flaunt everywhere about how good McDonalds is. fuck off

>>6941832

>>6941795

>>6941795
>>6941832
>gay

The mods delete anti AI discussion threads regardless of how reasonable the points are.

I’ll say it again, AI imaging does not belong on ic just like 3D has its own board. The skills are fundamentally different, and it is extremely toxic. AI threads add nothing of value to ic.

>>6941902
Preach.

>>6941902
Imagine some unironically autistic retard telling everyone on a fitness board they should use a power lifter to lift weights faster. "IT MAKES IT EASY GUYS LOOK AT THIS LOOK HERE LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS."

>>6932754
im making good ai art. i dont feel bad because commercial art is already bankrupt. even in the 1700s they had drawing machines where you look in a reflection in one eye and your page with the other eye and trace. sight sizing is tracing without literally tracing. i remember being disillusioned when i watched a league of legends artist explain how he designed the splash art for one character, he literally just copied other splash art, it was for ahri and the art didnt match the theme of the character at all (but this guy was still a "pro"). FDZ school teaches photobashing anyways, the ai is just better at it. ai only automates busy work that doesnt matter such as rendering and basic perspective. i will be able to create a story all by my self. i will probably make a porn game

>>6942104
>things were always shit so i will make it shitter please applaud my bravery

>>6942135
work smarter not harder
arbitrarily hamstringing yourself so you can pretend to be morally superior isnt a good idea. check your ego

>>6942104
You're talking about camera obscura which is a meme perpetuated by david hockney to disparage old masters.
>busy work that doesnt matter such as rendering and basic perspective
Just admit you don't like drawing and art very much and you just want to make a quick buck

>>6942152
i do it for free

>>6942142
Nah, you first. Destroying other people's enjoyment of drawing, bolstering corporate interests, bullying kids to suicide and privatizing wealth so you can jerk off more and keep more people addicted to porn is a dick move.

>arbitrarily hamstringing
Yeah, enjoying things is a real 'arbitrary' reason to keep drawing. I can't wait for AI to automate away everything you enjoy in life.

>>6942142
A rote mechanical response from a rote mechanical mind.

>>6942152
Some people just hate drawing regardless of if there's money in it or not. They're only here to troll. They can't stand that other people are good at something they're not, so they have to redefine terms to make themselves feel superior. Enjoyment was never even a consideration, they are motivated entirely by petulant childlike hate.

>>6942155
>>6942159
depends what your goals are. if you are a farmer that is planting crops and harvesting them by hand, it would be silly to get mad at a farmer thats using modern farm equipment. "they arent doing it properly!" "they only care about money!". if you are doing it to stay in shape, or you just enjoy the activity and being outside in the nice weather then thats great, but that doesnt explain you raging about people who use more advanced tools.
when you fill a paint brush with green paint and mash it into the canvas, by luck, it happens to look like foliage. if someone said "nono you cant do that! thats cheating! you have to use your fingers!" you'd laugh them off. you've arbitrarily decided that using cetain tools is the "proper" way to create art.
if you let ai do the busy work you will liberate your creative faculty to create what you actually want to create. ai cant actually fully automate your life, the human needs to do the planning, then the ai can do 90% of the work, then the human does the finishing touches. just like how the old masters workshops worked. Ruben's planned the piece, his students did the bulk of the work, then he finished off the faces and hands.

>>6942170
>>6942170
Finishing touches.
You mean let the robot do 99% of the enjoyable parts of the process work and I get the 1% grind job?

>doesn't understand the functional difference between different tools, implies all tools are identical

The rest of your examples are false dichotomies and in bad faith.

>liberate your creative faculty
I already have. I draw what I want to see and take pleasure in the process of striving for it. When I can't achieve it, I try again. What part of this do you not understand? I have used AI extensively. After a week, it got so boring I couldn't stomach another second of it.

If you take great pleasure in seeding everything to machines to 'liberate' your creativity and enjoy being nothing more than a glorified catalyst for it, go right ahead. I hope you find fulfillment touching up imperfections in machine generated output for the rest of your life. But I (and most other artists) will absolutely rage against you because your grotesque selfishness comes at numerous social, personal, economic and ethical costs to everyone else. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. For every technological shift, something valued is lost, and conserving the things one cherishes is a natural part of human life. People like you are not wanted here, were never wanted here, and will never be welcomed here. We will fight you tooth and nail and by any means necessary. Go back to your kind and leave us to ours.

It's almost like the people who use AI only see art as a tool or delivery vehicle for something else so all they want to do is automate it away to get to the "good stuff" like bringing their "bigger ideas" to life. They just don't get it do they? If AI can automate away the art process, it will also automate away the writing process, the ideation process (already has with people using chatgpt to make books and ask for ideas.) It will run on auto pilot, that is the goal of the companies. Their projected goal is to achieve 50% full automation in every entertainment sector in the next ten years, devaluing not only automation by burying it in mountains of other automated work, but devaluing handcrafted work as well. It's like a cancer growth. The whole "empower the individual and give them the key to creativity" bit is a lark, their interest is in entrenchment in the market and the cultivation of dependency on the tool makers. The fact that AIfags love driving conventional artists out of their own spaces only deepens the resentment. As it should.

Creativity is fun and engaging precisely because it involves the mind fully — it involves more than pushing a button or writing a paragraph of instructions and babysitting the results. Creation won’t feel like creation anymore: it’ll be another tedious desk job, more akin to searching for and scrolling endless streams of content online and selecting the bits you like to string together. Congrats, you have a song! You did it in a quarter of the time, now you can make even more! Congrats, you’ve put out 2,000 albums. Look at how productive you are! You brought your game to life! Now make 2000 more in a month, otherwise you won't be able to compete, oh shit sorry that's pointless, big companies have flooded the market with their own 24/7 dedicated slave labor prompters.

People who use AI and claim they're doing it "for their vision" are shortsighted in ways I never thought humanly possible.

>>6942202
my examples are perfect and you are dismissing them because you are afraid to analyze them. your enjoyment of the process is irrelevant, someone using ai to create art doesnt prevent you from creating it your own way. a jogger who is jogging for fitness and fun doesnt get mad at someone using a vehicle to travel.

>comes at numerous social, personal, economic and ethical costs to everyone else.
like what?

let me ask you this, if I generated an image, and then used tradition methods to trace that image (which totally arent cheating!) such as sight sizing and plumb lines, would that be okay with you?

>>6942241
>vehicle to travel
They do when that vehicle runs their family and friends over, pollutes the environment, and contributes to mindless utopian accelerationism. They do when that vehicle destroys the structure and planning of a pre-existing town, and when the noise pollution and industrial rot obliterates an entire coast of a country, shits all over its history, enables bad actors to engage in scams never before imagined and creates a new caste of parasites who bleed the larger social organism dry and leave it to die.

>like what

I never should have taken this bait. You'll just tell me 'sacrifice is inevitable! For there to be true progress, the natives must die!'

>let me ask you this, if I generated an image, and then used tradition methods to trace that image (which totally arent cheating!) such as sight sizing and plumb lines, would that be okay with you?

I already said I don't care what you do. The fact that you're here at all is the problem.

>>6942241
neat nigga why are going to the artwork and critique board to spam these threads.
prompting prob be obsolete before any knows it sense that's the plan and tracefags are also shit on so use them as an example nigga

>>6942170
The farmer and crops thing doesn't work all that well. People who use AI as a "tool" i.e. for shading, for lining, for regenerating a place of a drawing, isn't coming to the same result as if they were doing it themselves. It's not just pure labor that is automated. Which is fine. But when you claim it's "the same tool as a photoshop brush bro" is just weird. A brush is not creatively autonomous like content generation is. The efficiency comes from it also replacing your creative input, which is half the point why you're drawing your own drawing in the first place.

I have used it to make stuff because I am not the speculative faggot. I have used it the "hardcore tool" sorta way where it finishes my drawings, sketches and shades and I fix inconsistencies after. But no way in hell do I have the gall to tell someone "yeah I made it". No, I didn't. I did a part of it. AI did another. Yes, it got my point across, but not really at the same time. It's not mine. It's just my idea, which is not the sole point of a drawing. I guess for most it's enough and they'll live with it for they just wanted to make their idea, but for someone who actually wants to be myself, git gud and be proud of my work, this is really not it. It's a picture that happened to resonate with me and came close to what I envisioned, so I accepted what it put out. It's not the same if I had "created" it at all.

I understand why it's desireable since ofc you get a result quicker and make things you otherwise couldn't, but it's not going to be for everyone. I'd support a separate board for AI. That'd also give tripfag his place he yearns so much for. It's too big of a fundamental step away from the traditional idea of drawing pictures. /ic/ can cover the drawing part, /ai/ would get the rest - generals for correct prompts, styles, img2imgs and how to make it use colors you want etc etc. But first get all the laws ready. Right now it's a shitshow with as many opinions as stars in the sky.

No peace. Like libtards and nazis, drawfags will battle aifags for all eternity going forward. All is as it should be. All is as it MUST be. All is an expression of the great duality. Without the battle the mind of God would be still and lacking in dynamism.

>>6942277
fuck off tripfag your ass needs to either go back or shill else where

>>6942277
Separate board is needed. I see this false equivalence all the time where some drawfag and some AIfag argue about the definition of tool, with the drawfag insisting that a brush is not the same as a thinking machine that does 99% of the mental work.
AI needs to be understood not as merely an advanced tool that aids in manual labor but as a tool that (it's in the name) does more cognitive / mental work than any other tool ever has. The people who like AI are more akin to directors and ideas guys and they're happy to have a 'tool' that simulates artists. Forcing normal artists to get along with these pedantic nu-artist faggots and expecting anything other than war is insane and counter intuitive.

>>6942282
If you can't be bothered to read, then why bother quoting, faggot. AI is half the issue, the other half is people being retards like you. No wonder we get these fucking arguments every day.

>>6941795

> A brush is not creatively autonomous
fucking finally.

>>6942291
I actually wanted to add that exact same thing but hit the 2k limit kek. But yeah fully agree.

>>6942265
So are you just concerned that ai will displace workers and impact culture, or do you have a problem with what ai can produce and that its fundamentally not art and shouldnt be used for story telling? Sounds like you'd be against the invention of the loom. I invite you to read "economics in one lesson" chapter 7 The Curse of Machinery.
>I already said I don't care what you do. The fact that you're here at all is the problem.
Why dont you analyze the scenario and respond? Its a genuine question. I'm posting in this thread because I dont have anyone else to talk to about this. I have posted in /beg/ and /dad/ on and off in the past few years.

>>6942277
I just care that the thing I have in my head exists in the real world, I don't care to take credit for it.
>A brush is not creatively autonomous like content generation is.
If you are thinking of an image in isolation, independant from anything else, you could argue that each brush stroke is important. The way you use your brush to solve problems and define the form, and how you set up the composition in itself can be interesting. But once you are able to use ai to create a whole image in a few hours, you start thinking bigger, you can start building a world and telling stories. Each ai generated image is the equivilent to a single brush stroke in the traditional image. Imagine being the top "idea guy" are a major game studio like Blizzard and directing how you want the grand narrative will go then al lthe artists do their part, ai effective lets you be that guy and the possibilities of what you can create are limitless.

>>6942293
>>6942293
TB H I really don't care about these gay ass threads. Most AI threads are practically an ever expanding sign saying
>"read more"
Tland theres already a practical solution if they just created another board. Honestly I find bumping these threads to bump limit is far more productive then preaching to choir of them needing an AI board

>>6942304
>>6942304
It might solve some problems, but I think in the long term the divide between AI-assisted artists (as compared to say the divide between digital and trad artists) will always be a lot more hostile and resentful, especially since AI can only exist by feeding off the latter's work and in turn devaluing it by default. The scams and bad actors who use AI will also inevitably create more wounds that will not heil.

I'm not optimistic about the chances of there being peace on this board, however. At least one or two aifags have expressed that they want to troll here until they are accepted as "valid and one of the artists" because they being autistic retards refuse to accept that there is a difference between a wrench and a robot arm. They can't stand being rejected for their choice of "tool." If I had my own way, trad and digital would exist in separate spheres already.

Like the divide between digital and traditional, manual artists will always look down on ai. ai will never be fully accepted as a skillful thing and a degree of guilt and shame will always be a part of those who rely entirely on ai assistance. I think this is natural and inevitable and if anything acts as a balancing mechanism to prevent total destruction of valued traditions.

>>6942309
>Each ai generated image is the equivilent to a single brush stroke in the traditional image. Imagine being the top "idea guy" are a major game studio like Blizzard and directing how you want the grand narrative will go then al lthe artists do their part, ai effective lets you be that guy and the possibilities of what you can create are limitless.
sounds to me like you have no respect for those who don't want to be the top
idea guy,' i.e; no respect for 99% of the people of ic. Enjoy being shat on retard. Hope someone in your family dies soon.

>>6942309
>Each ai generated image is the equivilent to a single brush stroke in the traditional image.
What the fuck is with you aibros and having the most absolutely retarded comparisons
I bet you've done absolutely nothing similar to the bullshit you just spewed too

>>6942309
>I just care that the thing I have in my head exists in the real world, I don't care to take credit for it.
That's right. Nobody is arguing that. And I am not going to argue your scale point either. I agree. You can go bigger with it. The thing is I wish to be that blizzard artist. You wish to be the idea generator, the director of blizzard. That's all I was arguing. In your words, yes, I am talking about the image in isolation, as are most people here I assume.

>>6942309
>I'm posting in this thread because I dont have anyone else to talk to about this. I have posted in /beg/ and /dad/ on and off in the past few years.

Boo fuckin hoo cry me a river. Go to the midjourney discord and mingle with 1million others who think exactly as you do. I'm sure you'll make a butt buddy that will accept your retarded ass eventually.

This thread is now about eating pussy

-Do you like pussi?
-When was the last time you ate pussy?
-Have you ever eaten pussy when a girl was on her period?
-Do you have a pussy? What's that like? Does the idea of being a receptive vessel for the lust of man make your pussy widen?

>>6942338 >>6942343 >>6942344 >>6942346
I think we are coming to an understanding here. As an artist that uses ai I do in fact want to be the idea guy director. To me the entire point of art is to tell a story. If you draw a nice image of a castle, sure it looks nice for a few seconds but thats it. But if that castle is yoru representation of Stormwind or Minas Tirith, then I'll spend my time looking at it, imaging everything that goes on there, where it fits in, i'll keep coming back to that image. For me personally, I have a few hours of free time every day and I am going to die soon, so ai is going to help me realistically create what I want to create and thats why I advocate for it. I don't think the arguments that ai is bad because technology negatively impacts people economically or even culturally are relevant. And some non ai artists dont like it "just because" and refuse to interrogate the reason why they feel that way.

As for ai art being allowed on /ic/, theres nothing in the rules that say it shouldnt be allowed. You'd have to prove that ai art isnt art at all or that there is no creativity involved. I don't see why I can't post ai art and get critique from other people which is the point of this board.

>>6942363
>Do not claim it ownership of work you didn't create
Fuck off tripfag you mass replying ass

>6942363

>>6942363
I don't see why you can't just fuck off to /g/ or some ai reddit if you want to discuss ai art. Those rules and sticky were written a long long time ago before this ai nonsense. /ic/ utilizes self moderation by telling you ai faggots to fuck off

>>6942363
You're literally the epitome of this
>>6942233

>>6942363
Too you does any E thot with a filter constitute as an artist. Might as well as say anything using filters is AI niggas doing it to their stuff practically is this or photobashing you need to fuck off

>>6942363
New to 4chins? As with all boards, lurk more first. Realize what the board community is, does and if it's even worth posting before you talk and then be pikachu faced and pedantic about rules when you get called names.

>>6942363
Then you're blind to reason. Plenty of great reasons already posted here why /ic/ is not for AI and you've ignored all of them because you're autistic and desperate for acceptance from people who do not care about you and do not want to associate with you. AI art is everywhere dumbass, discussions are everywhere. There are huge youtube channels and communities for it. Since you're a coomer, go to one of the hentai threads, find their AI containment thread and talk to the retards there if you need company that bad. Make some friends on deviantart or reach out to other ai users on twitter or wherever and fuck off off this fucking board. This is the stalest fucking shit "buh buh buh i don't see why i can't post here it says 'art'"

Maybe you're just green or underage or some shit. There are other places on the internet that will welcome you and critique your special pornographic vision and tell you what a great idea guy you are. This is not one of them. Move the fuck on you useless pedant.

>>6942379
This retard'll probably retort with "well first we need to define art to define an artist."

>>6942363
>I ain't reading all that shit
at this point your writing a whole dissertation on why your "opinion matters" which can be shoved up your ass cause your on the crab board fagget

>>6942389
don't forget the obligatory "reference usage and internalizing art design concepts from another artist's work is no different to the way AI works" and other oversimplifications of cognitive creative processes

Our opinion > Your opinion

Can't get much simpler than that
>b-but you're wrong
We don't care what you think

>>6942233
>Creativity is fun and engaging precisely because it involves the mind fully
lol.
this touches upon one fundamental mistake people make when it comes to thinking about AI. you think that because AI takes away some of your decisions, you have no more decisions to make, no more creativity to spend.

newsflash for you:
your mind being fully engaged does not actually mean your mind covers everything that can be covered in terms of creative decisionmaking.
this means that even if the AI makes major decisions for you, your mind will still be engaged to its fullest anyway. because there is just a lot to think about.

very simple example that even begs can understand:
>a beg that does not understand anatomy will have their entire mind occupied by trying to make sense of figures.
>let's say that an AI fills that gap of anatomy for the artist.
>then the artist would still be left with all the other fundamentals that he can occupy his mind with, as well as other things.
you will never run out of things to focus on.

at the very least, this dispells your argument that AI can't be "fun and engaging".
(although currently AI isn't yet integrated in a way that is easy to use, but we're getting there.)

artists need to stop obsessing over what "tech bros" will do with AI and instead start figuring out what artists can do with AI.

>>6942419
You need to stop obsessing with /ic/ already and fuck off

>>6942419
>because there is just a lot to think about.
>at the very least, this dispells your argument that AI can't be "fun and engaging".

I am sure it is very fun and engaging for people who don't like to draw manually. Are you one of those shitbirds that looks at tribes people who choose to live off the land and call them garbage standing in the way of corporate expansion?

>>6942419
IHAVE SEEN THE LIGHT
IT IS TIME TO ANSWER THE CALL OF EVOLUTION
Nah, kill yourself.

the progenitor of ai on /ic/ is here!

>>6942419
>ai replaces my lack of understanding for one thing so I can focus on something else
lmfao brother you really need to learn to take a hint.

>6942419
and immediately tripfag is here for his dose off c(YOU)m
>how surprising

>>6942436
BUT BUT he's been freed up to think about OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR THINGS
BIGGER THINGS
BETTER THINGS
ISN'T IT GREAT TO NO LONGER HAVE TO DRAW THE HARD WAY?
NOW YOU CAN MAKE THOSE 10,000 HENTAI GAMES YOU ALWAYS DREAMED OF MAKING

>>6938859

The greatest thing about making art isn't making it myself, it's showing everyone online that I did.

>>6942419
>artists need to stop obsessing over what "tech bros" will do with AI and instead start figuring out what artists can do with AI
If there's one thing I've learnt, it's that techbros and tech shills should never be trusted to make anything actually beneficial to people. They don't care about artistry, enjoyment, fulfilment, any of that shit. They care about instant dopamine hits and easily produceable and profitable junk that removes annoyances and middlemen from getting in the way of what they want, and people who say AI is "just a tool" for creative processes are trying to pull wool over people's eyes and acting like it's something they HAVE to use to "keep up with the times", all so they can get to the "fun part" of having easily mass-generatable entertainment and media on hand while everyone else in the creative sector can get fucked and go work as a trade monkey/wage slave for big tech corpos.

>>6933001

>>6942419
>Creativity
And another way of looking at it is that calculating perspective or color and light are not creative processes. Choosing the color red, and deciding to orient a cube so it is turned slightly is creative, but actually getting this on the page is all technical skill. This is the busy work that AI can do for you. Therfore if the AI is doing all these non creative tasks for you, that leaves you to do all the creative things. So working with AI allows you to exercise far more creativity.

>>6942448
Fuck off nigga
>Imagine arguing for AI when tripfag is here

>>6942439
Bbbut I'm now free to focus on the thing I want, drawing loose shakey lines, and once my comic(planning it in my head for 6 years) is done(in record time) I can feel accomplished!

nigger thread

>>6942448
>perspective or color and light are not creative processes
Yes they are you retarded fuck

>>6932953

>>6942448
>So working with AI allows you to exercise far more creativity.
Oh yeah? Fucking prove it. Now. Make a creative picture that demonstrates this.

>>6942461
Psyop

>>6942464
Psyclops

>>6942468
Psycocks

>>6942448
so far in this thread there a pepe AI generation and another thread had Miku generations before
>also Zelda stuff

Is your creativity only insert popular thing. And know there other stuff posted by any nigga can copy and paste other AIfags stuff and claim it

>>6942471
Psyduck

>>6942480
Psylocke

>>6942480
Psydick

>>6942484
Paint tool SAI

>>6942439
>>6942436
you meme but it's just the truth.
it doesn't matter what the AI specifically does. it only matters that you are letting it do it, for efficiency reasons, for technical, for skill reasons, whatever it is. it's a tool.
i'm just telling you how it will work conceptually.

>>6942446
oh yeah they're totally out to get you.
AI was made to destroy artists. everything revolves around you, you, you.
did you see chess or go tards play victim like this when AI came into their field?
>these damn evil researchers! they just want to destroy our game!

>>6942492
>do you actually see act as a game that you "win" at

>>6942492
HE SPOKE THE TRUTH AGAIN
LOOK SEE HE DID IT AGAIN!

>>6942492
Again fuck off to /g/ already instead of trying to poison an art community. I don't know why you keep trying to incessantly change peoples opinions on it here. You're just a shit poster at this point

>>6942492
You meme. I am above the meme. I am truth and justice. I will prevail against the armies of the ignorant and unclean. AI frees the mind by replacing the mind with AI which in turn lets the mind use the AI to pursue more important things like masturbating to 500 open tabs of AI generated porn just to feel alive.

>6942492
tripfag enjoy your assocation to e-whores filters, your already a c(YOU)m slut for attention
>>6942379

>>6942487
Saibamen

>>6942492
>did you see chess or go tards play victim like this when AI came into their field?
Is AI chess banned from competitive play?
Do people enjoy watching player vs player or AI chess more?
Do people enjoy drawing and painting more than using AI?

>>6942501
Tripfag trapped in circular autistic reasoning. Even if this subhuman got an AI board he'd still come here to harass artists to go to it instead.

But I mean, he is a paid openai marketing shill, so you know. Just play with him, he's funny.

>>6942509
PsiloSAIben

>>6942492
Glad to know this is even toddler assessable.
>Even Picasso would study such crayon scribbles

>>6942512
>Even if this subhuman got an AI board he'd still come here to harass artists to go to it instead
ain't that the truth.

>But I want to talk about using AI in workflow
and we don't, keep exploring workflow ways to try and trick others over the fact you're including AI in your process though

>>6942514
最悪

>>6942532
mang thats cheating I don't speak swedish.

6942492
already have loads of c(YOU)m on your post
>enjoying it tripslut

AI needs to either be quarantined to /g/ or given its own new board. Giving them their own board might be better.

AI imaging begone from /ic/.

>>6942512
show me on the doll where i harrassed you.
did i call you a retard some time? i won't apologize, you probably deserved it.

>>6942501
in fact i don't.
the fact that i call it a tool already disqualifies the notion.
i'm not the one constantly comparing AI to "aimbots" or who generally sees AI as "cheating" (cheats are mostly for games and their pesky rules).

>>6942511
people play against AI and study AI games. the top players pay money to get access to the strongest models.

i'm not comparing our fields, their field is an actual game. ours is not.
i'm just highlighting the victim mentality. if they claimed the chess AI was invented to destroy them and researchers were evil and "just wanted an easy way to win", they would be seen as self obsessed lunatics. and rightfully so.

>>6942505
what's so bad about changing people's opinions?
desu part of the reason why i do this is because i want to break the bubble and lead the discourse to a more healthy and less delusional place.
seeing how the discussion is a bit more nuanced now, i think it wasn't completely pointless.

>>6942518
it's just a proof of concept. similar to what i have posted before. you're supposed to get an idea of what AI is capable of.

>>6942542
I don't actually read your posts, I just say random shit to you.

>>6942547
of course. reading my posts must be bad for your blood pressure. i understand.

>>6942542
So get this right. Like... what if feminism is wrong. What if women ARE actually biologically inferior to men. I'm just saying maybe it's the truth man maybe we should give Jordan Peterson another shot.

>>6942548
Nah you jus funny funny man think he all serious n' shit fightin for his masta

>>6942542
>desu part of the reason why i do this is because i want to break the bubble and lead the discourse to a more healthy and less delusional place.
You really have something mentally wrong with you for you to keep trying to push this in a community that doesn't want it. You're just an awful person all around. And yeah you've been harrassing /ic/ for a good while at it now too. I don't know why you took it upon yourself to be the bearer of AI to /ic/, maybe you think it's some kind of epic challenge for you, maybe you have problems with not being accepted in your past

Simply go elsewhere instead of trying to poison /ic/

>>6942552
I think this reject has had a lot more problems in life than "not being accepted."

>>6942542
Tripslut see the e-whore here>>6942379 about your "proof of concept"
I'm sure or contemporaries grone tired of just using the dog filter

>>6932754
Let us now turn the discussion to Hitler and his contributions to the arts.

AI is not a tool, it is a trap. It is a trap that lures you with promises of efficiency, technicality, and skill, but robs you of your humanity, creativity, and expression. It is a trap that makes you dependent, complacent, and lazy, but prevents you from discovering, learning, and growing. It is a trap that gives you pseudo-art, but deprives you of meaning, purpose, or value. It is a trap that you should avoid at all costs, if you care about art, or yourself.

In early 1908, after the death of his mother, 18-year-old Adolf Hitler left his provincial hometown of Linz and moved to Vienna, the glamorous capital of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Leaving behind his late father’s ambitions for him to become a civil servant, Hitler saw Vienna as the ideal place to pursue his own youthful dream—to become an artist.

But while Hitler’s childhood friend and new roommate, August Kubizek, was immediately accepted to a conservatory to study music, Hitler spent his first months in Vienna sleeping late, sketching and reading piles of books.

>>6942560
no no you don't get it man it like
it frees you to do other more important creative things
Like shitting out ten million games, comic books, youtube videos, porn, and other incredible things each day man
You laugh now
But it is I who will laugh later

>>6942540
>give vtubertrannies their own board
>they're still everywhere
The excuse for AI will be that
>"everyone is just so scared of AI we just want to clear any misconception and push the discussion in an healthy direction, you low iq luddite who is seething and coping and having a meltdown buy cryptonfts and install spyware pls"
It's useless with these grifters

>>6942568
This is what happens when a nation turns it back on religion. A new breed of autistic preacher shows up thumping a new kind of bible.

"The bible of Technological Empowerment."

6942363

>>6942568
Why are they like this though? Maybe we can get a good psych eval going so we can document tripfag's personality disorder.

>>6942581
>tripfag's personality disorder.

Histrionic personality disorder: a pattern of excessive emotion and attention-seeking. People with histrionic personality disorder may be uncomfortable when they are not the center of attention, may use physical appearance to draw attention to themselves or have rapidly shifting or exaggerated emotions.

Narcissistic personality disorder: a pattern of need for admiration and lack of empathy for others. A person with narcissistic personality disorder may have a grandiose sense of self-importance, a sense of entitlement, take advantage of others or lack empathy.

a combo?

>>6942587
I don't know, those seem too overt. Tripfag isn't really emotional, he's kind of robotic. I was going to guess at autism but he has the ability to threaten others by projecting his own insecurities onto them as he's done in the past. He likes to use fear and intimidating tactics to bully and scare people into embracing the technology. He's one of those "you'll be sorry if you don't!!!" types. You might be right about histrionic and narcissistic, it's clear he's deeply insecure about himself and needs external validation. BPD?

[Borderline personality disorder (BPD), also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder (EUPD),[14] is a personality disorder characterized by a long-term pattern of intense and unstable interpersonal relationships, distorted sense of self, and strong emotional reactions.[15][9][16] Those affected often engage in self-harm and other dangerous behaviors, often due to their difficulty with returning their emotional level to a healthy or normal baseline.[17][18][19] They may also struggle with dissociation, a feeling of emptiness, and a fear of abandonment.[15]

Symptoms of BPD may be triggered by events considered normal to others.[15] BPD typically begins by early adulthood and occurs across a variety of situations.[9] Substance use disorders,[20] depression, and eating disorders are commonly associated with BPD.[15] Some 8 to 10% of people affected by the disorder may die by suicide.[15][9] The disorder is often stigmatized in both the media and the psychiatric field and as a result is often underdiagnosed.[21]]

I seem to remember him attacking some anon by telling them they would develop an alcohol addiction or something but I could be mistaken. I remember it seemed really out of the blue, like he was grappling with it himself.

>>6942549
yeah maybe you should, you sound retarded enough to buy into him.

>>6942552
it's really not hard to understand. i just want to be able to discuss it here. and believe it or not, i am from here and have been for a long time, even if i took a long break.
but your interpretation of things is very telling.
harrassing how? what am even i doing in your mind?

telling you something you don't want to hear? do you genuinely believe that this is your safe space? that the bubble shouldn't be challenged?
do you think i will "poison" other's minds?
once AI does become a thing in artist circles, will you blame me?
or was i just saying the obvious thing all along?

..yes. i do think artists lack perspective when it comes to AI.
the state of the discourse among artists when it comes to AI is ABSYMAL. and that's part of the reason i wanted to push back. and objectively that's really all i'm doing.

>>6942596
You missed the discourse earlier about why we don't care. Learn to read.

But yeah man. Whatever helps you feel good about yourself, go for those internet self-esteem points I'm sure they'll uh... they'll be refundable haha

Is english your native language? You seem unironically unable to grasp nuance. You also don't seem to understand 4chan culture. Sorry you couldn't be a messiah and bring your overwhelming wisdom and insight (lol) to the plebs.

>>6942549
They are not???

>>6942593
based on his recent post, being an oldfag who took a break. he is using AI to catch up to where he believes he would be had he kept up. So it's a kind of self-deception, "I could have made this myself, I just saved some time".

>>6942601
biological women are.

>>6942606
Damn that's actually kind of sad. Poor old sod.

>>6942606
That is just sad and this is coming from a late beginner who's desperate to catch up with everyone else. Like hell I'm submitting to the AI corpos though.

>when trip finally asks the right question

>>6942618

>>6942599
did i say you have to care?
the way i see it, i generally just respond to things i find incorrect. i make fairly SPECIFIC points.
but somehow the discussion always shifts to me, not wanting to read my posts, why i am doing this (lol) etc etc.

>>6942606
nah, i never thought of it that way. it has nothing to do with keeping up, AI is a boon regardless of where i am at specifically.
what i said earlier about it being able to mentally relegate things is actually a bigger reason for my hopefulness than you'd think, but that has to do with my specific situation and goals.

>>6942617
>Like hell I'm submitting to the AI corpos though.
this is the kind of shit i'm talking about.
nobody would say something this idiotic if the discourse around AI was healthy.

>>6942620
It's okay. Not everyone understands social cues or theory of mind. Tripfag has other special qualities that I'm sure his grandchildren adore.

>>6942624
>did i say you have to care?
the way i see it, i generally just respond to things i find incorrect. i make fairly SPECIFIC points.
but somehow the discussion always shifts to me, not wanting to read my posts, why i am doing this (lol) etc etc.
There there old boy. Let it out. Let the tears of impotence and uselessness and squandered potential stream down your aged, fleshy cheeks, be they unaugmented and destined for inevitable, painful decay.

all tripfags posts boil down to
>OMG YOU GAISE R SO STUPID WTF U FUCKING LUDDITES LOW IQ [insert bad faith arguments+gaslighting+factually wrong statements+wishful thinking here] NO U CANT PROVE ME WRONG WHEN YOU DO BECAUSE UR STUPID Y DO PEOPLE HATE ME SO MUCH FOR NO REASON"
>claims he wants to elevate the discussion
absolute peak autistic niggerism

tripfag, listen to me; fuck AI and fuck you, kill yourself.

>>6942634
Not an argument.

>>6942638
your mother is an argument why autistic people should be euthanized

>>6942639
Hey don't lump autistics in with an AI worshipper, not even autists want anything to do with them.

>>6942634
i'm sure that's how it went down in your mind.

btw you keep saying this, i realize now that you're probably still mad from some time ago when i probably called you a low IQ retard.
looking at you right now, you probably deserved it.

>>6942634
At least the other aifag eventually admitted that they were an ideas guy and wanted to be an ideas guy all along. They might've dismissed all other concerns surrounding AI use but I can at least respect that they *seemed* to realize they weren't welcome.

ah so trip actually felt threatened by AI image gen, genuinely terrified and is now of the attitude "if you can't beat em, join em"

>>6942643
>i'm sure that's how it went down in your mind.
Spoken from a place of well trod experience I see.

you insult everyone who answers and act surprised you're not welcome, that's pure autism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNmUaedNkgI

>WOW IN YOUR MIND
>YOU MUST BE MAD BECAUSE I SAID MEAN WORDS TO YOU OVER THE INTERNET
>HEHE GOTTEM
>CHECKMATE
>doesn't realize he's proving my point
>searching archive for his trip gives 2 gorillion results
>he still unironically spamming 24/7
you will never be rich and famous, tripfag
suicide really is the only answer for you
>>6942641
>>6942646
cool

>>6942643
>NTA
But looking at you tripfag this the 20th or 30th thread your shilling AI on. And you keep coming back expecting something different

>>6942647

It would partially explain why he projects that fear outward so readily. It's the only weapon in his arsenal that seems like it has edge to him so he prolly thinks "heh heh the fear of obsolescence will show these retards they'll join or die like I did." But when called on it he goes straight to name calling, sarcasm and petulance then claims he's just 'trying to change minds.' What an arrogant self absorbed waste of life.

>>6942664
>>6942668
ngl these are on point because it is so obvious to anyone, except him which does either prove he is mentally ill to the max or fully aware and trolling

either way, he is not changing minds, never will
artists are going to draw, normies are going to use it for ego until they give up because no one gives a shit and porn addicts are going to prompt infinite porn

only thing he is good for is providing a whole circus for us to enjoy

>>6942664
Anosognosia

anyway, ai algorithms are going to become illegal by 2025
Disney is going to fund and lobby for an internet filter and no one will be able to upload anything resembling anything that is protected by copyright unless they have a license.

I think what artists should do, is to start paywalling everything and hypermonetize their entire art.
This will only be beneficial
>inb4 but people will turn to ai then if artist paywall
They would have done it anyway, but now, if they want art to feed the magic art machine, they need to pay up and thanks to filters and shit, they cannot have access to paywalled content someone else might upload.

I think the art future is going to be bright, but not thanks to AI.
Imagine; you can make money with a simple scribble, something no one with AI will ever be able to achieve, and we all know why.

They need whole ass networks and algorithms to mimic a fraction of artistic intelligence.

i don't even know what to say anymore. it's a good thing i was planning to change my approach anyway. into more applied AI stuff and more rounds of experimentation.

genuinely just filter me if i cause you this much mental anguish every time you see my posts. it'll probably get worse from here on out.

>>6942673
>either way, he is not changing minds, never will
i agree, some anon convinced me of this during this weekend as well.
but i think you should be genuinely ashamed of yourself for thinking this while also being unable to say anything back to my arguments.

>>6942668
you have no self awareness at all. i generally only treat people like shit who treat me like shit.
and considering what i am posting and where i am, you can easily imagine who started it.

(i'll be back tomorrow with my own thread this time :D)

I miss kiwifarms. Tripfag would've made for a nice late night deep cut.

>"filter me"
>mass replies
>keeps projecting
>no self-awareness

>debate me
>its everyone fault but mine
apparently he outright disregards the possibility of people checking the archives and seeing for themselves how he managed to squander every tiny bit of goodwill he got from anons trying to talk with him and it isn't hard to believe it when an anon says this given his constant shitposting

>>6942681
When immortan joe seizes control of the waterhole, there will be no disney.

>>6942698
shut up luddite low iq u just haet me cuz im promptiful

>i generally only treat people like shit who treat me like shit.

>comes into a place he isn't wanted and starts shitting on the floor
>Yo! wtf we don't do that here get the hell out you shitter!
>"i'm showing you the way, don't insult me"
>get out!
>"I'll change your minds, just watch: BLLRRRRRRRPTTTTTTTTTTTT"

>>6942685
Hmm yes I am so intelligent, it would appear my efforts to convert the unbelieving have thus far been quite ineffective by my calculations, yes... perhaps I shall step back for a moment and reassess my righteous course. Some experimentation is in order, mmhmm yes indeed, some refinements to the strategy I shall make. Mmm I am so delightfully edgy and annoying ah I perturb the frail ohh there I go being bad again to escape my overwhelming sense of inadequacy.

As always, report and ignore.

>>6942695
you can always check the archives. i can be brash but i generally argue in goodwill. too much probably.
way, way too much.

>>6942681
oh yeah, going from the freedom of fanart and fanworks, the free flow of ideas to copyright being absolute and art being "hypermonetized".
you call that a bright future.
but as long as it's against AI it'll do eh?

again, if the AI discourse was healthier, nobody would think of posting something this idiotic.

>>6942706
>>6942709
these

>>6942719
I can be brash indeed, hmm yes, but my brashness is in aid of a higher cause. however perhaps it is worth noting that even *I* am willing to confess that sometimes in my passionate love for my Lord I go too far yes. see I have goodwill and self awareness, yes, soon I will feel valuable if I just keep compulsively going back to ic to preach. Mmm indeed, this is my cause, inescapable, I must keep planting seeds so my garden of carefully laid plans may flourish and I may achieve the external validation I need to feel like less of a failure, yes...

>>6942722
Tomorrow I shall begin proselytizing anew yes, that'll show them, that'll keep them fearing and ashamed and soon they will embrace me and my message heh heh I am so subsersize, so wise, so unique, so, so very the antithesis of a run of the mill tripfag.

>6942685

>6942643

well everyone were here again
>/thread

No one answered any of my pussy related questions. :(

>>6942733
>asks virgins on a abstinence only christian flower arrangement forum
-_-

What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a board that laughs at him and treats him like a schizo he is?
You get threads
By all means, make 80 more