/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

is there a Chinese book on pencil drawings?

Pay no attention to howie, AI, and other vampires. Beware all ye who want to focus and grow with good intentions.

Imagination exercise, seeing it before drawing it, trying to remember what I've seen from my workouts, it sucks but really puts me in perspective, elbow foreshortening seems to be the biggest struggle. It drained me mentally.

>>6940517
I don't know about books but try public domain stuff,
wang hui:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=wang+hui&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image

dai xi:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=dai+xi&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image

not chinese but this one is cool:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Three_Friezes_of_Chinese_Figures_MET_DP801137.jpg

How did you guys learn to draw faces? I'm getting better and better at drawing bodies but I simply suck at faces.

Its over bros. Everything here is too hard, too complex. I will just work hard to be a successful lawyer.

>>6940551
this is the best I can do right now

>>6940553
This is the head of a statue. I mostly draw statue heads because I like statues and they are usually pretty detailed
I am this anon btw>>6940530

>>6940551
watts portrait drawing 1-5

>>6940551
Just watch all courses you can find, read all loomis-vilppu meme books and grind heads. Remember proportions, skull, planes and how to render basic forms. And grind again. Try to catch gesture of the head in short time, only main character details. Exaggerate things to make them stylish.

>>6940551
You just have to draw a million of them.

>took me days to get here because I'm shit
>now I'm bored of it and don't wanna finish
Will I learn more if I force myself to finish or start over so I'm not as slow with sketching?

>>6940591
>>6940592
so just do the same shit I've been doing with bodies. All right, anons. I can do this.
>>6940565
I'd love to watch his courses but I'm poor af but I'll keep them in mind

Hello /beg and int/, as usual I bring more floating heads, these one I tried to create mostly without a ref and im pleased with the progress

>>6940517
I think a bunch of these have been posted in the artbook thread over the years, they mostly help high school students get into top universities

>>6940551
Just keep grinding anon, faces are tough tough tough

Final pencil of tifa before inking

What do you guys draw with? I've been using Tikkys for a while now. I've been thinking about making one of those pens that David Finch uses and also start using charcoal pencils.

>>6940513
Thank you for the book OP, very nice paintings. I see you keep it real, no bullshit, alpha recognizes alpha.

>>6940604
Black and red (sanguine) colored pencil, oil based. Hits way harder than it sounds, much prefer these to regular pencil

Lips

>>6940599
you never shared your procreate brush
not once

>>6940599
Very nice, reminds me of Sinix.

>>6940595
Please lads what should I do, I'm stuck
I always get stuck at this stage
Should I practice more for speed or practice powering through?

Everybody is progressing, meanwhile Im stuck here, a bad nodraw. A no one.

>>6940595
>>6940628
What is the thing you dislike the most about that work? work on that.

if in doubt look for a piece you like from someone else and copy it, it doesn't have to be the whole thing just what peaks your interest. As for me I like to practice fast with no attachment, let there be happy little accidents.

How do i learn how to draw like this.

T. Nodraw with less than a 100 hours in the craft

>>6940642
I'm just bored of it, it took me a couple of days to get this far so I'm just not excited about it anymore

>>6940645
Then work faster, if you don't know how to, just copy things as fast as you can, if you make a mistake don't ctrl z, just keep going.

anyone got a good guide/resoruce on the changes in the ribcage in various positions?

So a post last thread mentioned I should try figure drawings

I notice posts online mentioning proportions (ranging from 7, 8, 8.5, and 9), and chose 8.5. I drew the head outline first and pasted it a bunch of times, is this fine at first?

I'm not much good at drawing two hands when the arms are crossed and I couldn't find many references for that, should I just have one hand folded into the crook of the elbow?

Also I feel like I made the hips too wide, any advice for proportions and figure design?

>>6940668
grab a compass, get a reference of a body/work you like (avoid foreshortening), start measuring and comparing everything, take notes.

is this bridgman bussin?

>>6940678
I've been doing that somewhat with this image, but I also tried freehanding some bits here and there. I think I'll try to stick to measuring for now.

More figure grind

What the fuck was miuras problem

>>6940681
take that picture and don't look at the head subdivision lines and start halving and notice the pattern.

this may be useful, they were for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIADfk6Bv-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeiQxauCTxY&t=22s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJWjclAVnI&t=304s

Need to do me hundreds of body parts on the regular more often. Wanted to ask, if I can import blender models into CSP model? Want to bring some Asaro/Asaro adjecent model studies, for quick posing. Especially since I am using the perspective box on CSP.

>>6940678
>>6940693
Not the previous anon, but this is nice, thanks for sharing!

>>6940695
Ps, I like the ink brush, and although I noticed its pretty pixely at the 1500x1200 thumbnail canvas. Other works aren't as pixel-y on the other canvas size.

>>6940695
>>6940693
fuck that just use vilppu's proportion less from the video course

Hi anons, i've quit and retried my hand at drawing a few times now.
I want to see it through this time and i feel like it'd be easier to just start off as if i know nothing and work from there.

What would be the best book for someone like me? Keys to Drawing? Loomis?
Where do i go from here.
Also i know i should
>Justdraw
i will.

>>6940513
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

>>6940621
Lies and slander, I’ve shared it multiple times

>>6940623
Thanks anon, yeah i copy a lot of this teachings

I know it is a sin but I can't help but feel jealousy at artists in these threads who are so much more innately talented. They just form bodies like it is no big deal. Oh well, all I can do is continue trying gesture.

Are there any resources for me to memorize regarding "pre-prepared curves?" Step 6 refers to this idea but surely there must be a catalogue of curves to memorize here.
https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/the-11-steps-to-great-gesture-drawing/

>>6940723
interesting bait, but a little too obvious. try again later i guess

>>6940482
Didn't wanna comment on the last thread since it's slated for death but
these are pretty great angles, challenging, might try these myself, good work Anon, did you do them from your head? or by reference?

>>6940723
we are simply superior, wallow in your jealousy until you eventually give up, or just draw and learn to make those desired gestures/shapes a habit

As suggested by an anon last thread I tried to do some back focused figures from reference.
Really struggled to give form to some of these and I'm not quite sure how to properly represent the subtleties of the back.

>>6940741
This one gave me the most trouble. How would you draw this compared to mine?

>>6940746
I used pen pressure and a brush to block out shadows quickly but here's how it'd do it

meme or the best way to begin drawing?
https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/fresheyes/

>>6940746

>>6940773
haven't done this but Kenzo's videos helped a lot when I was starting figures

>>6940601
should an anime girl really have a neck thicker than her shoulders?

>>6940705

>>6940771
You still need to push the pose more anon

>>6940797
it was a quick sketch to show how I would tackle the pose lol I'll try again in a bit

>>6940788
The anime police will arrest you if the neck is not less than half the head width

>>6940773
I started with Loomis, Hampton & Proko but if I had to start again I would use his stuff.

>>6940599
this is clearly pro work. blog?

>>6940650
Marc Brunet on yt

at what point should I start learning Anatomy?

I kinda regret picking an outfit with squares all over it. It was a pain in the ass to get the perspective right and to color every square in. never picking an outfit like that ever again. would've saved myself at least 30 minutes if I didn't have to bother with them

>>6940821
Cute!

Is there an art discord or community out there with people actually doing things?
like after every month or something you get kicked out if you don't show any work you did, be it sketches or anything

learning how to draw or doing anything creative in the void fucking sucks

day 10 or so of trying to scratch out anime faces

>>6940792
he just drew and now he's fuckin dead. see where art gets you? nowhere good thats certain

>>6940889
which video? I'm specifically looking for content on how it flares/contracts and how to effectively use that to convey motion.

>>6940933
tons of youtubers have discord communities where they do regular challenges, if you're looking for a mommy try local escort services

>>6940916
Once you've got decent observational and accuracy skills and can draw convincing 3d forms in perspective. Hampton says you need to be able to draw basic forms like these, otherwise studying anatomy is basically a waste of time. Then you can learn the basics and apply it to your figure drawing.
Lots of good tips in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ercwYaI0A

>>6940746
Try making her shoulders smaller, the far side is ok.
Problem is the near shoulder, way too big

>>6940952

Sketch.wip

>>6940920
You draw like me

where's the reilly eternal beg? I need to remind him i'm here watching his no-progress

>>6940680
yea fr fr

I actually had a question on Bridgman. If I want to do the "Bridgman Twice" method, what specifically should I focus on?

how do i make flat colors look nice

>>6941112
Oh shit I remember this guy. From Black Heart right?

>>6940746
>>6940771
>>6940797


here ya go, more exaggerated pose lol

>>6941121
yup

complete beginner here. there are like 5 different "beginners guides" here and I'm confused on which one to pay attention to. I want a book that I can work all the way through and come out an intermediate artist. is there such a book? is "keys to drawing" that book? there's one recommended beginner's guide that says to start with learning how to draw comics. is that the right way? I just want to draw people, that's always been a dream of mine, being able to draw humans and faces. please help lads.

>>6941134
Look for a book that teaches how to draw humans, muscles, skeletons, anatomy etc, then draw people, and mix in random drawings for fun so you don't get tired of studies/copying photo's

I never learned from books so not sure what resources to give you but good ol loomis or keys to drawing should be fine, but since you wanna focus on people just draw some people/faces, oh and pyw

>>6941140
>I never learned from books
>yet tells people to learn from books so they can stay perma-peg and never catch him
never change /ic/

>>6941144
>neverchange
I literally told the anon to draw people, books or not, you'll get better if you put forth effort and make lines/shapes intentionally. If books help with that then go for it, I'm just not sure what to recommend cause I didn't use any

>>6941134

WIP. Do I have a future or should i quit?

Serious question: I keep seeing tips to just copy your favourite artists a lot to develop yourself.
Is this good advice? Does this actually work if you're at step 0 for learning to draw? I'm afraid if I start doing it I'll miss out on important stuff for drawing.

>>6941134
Hi anon. To be frank with you, I've been drawing since I was a kid and wanted to go to art school. But I stopped drawing at all for over 10 years because I went the STEM route in college and abandoned art. Relearning in my early 30s now, not amazing yet by any stretch but if this is helpful for you go ahead. Not exhaustive. Just what's helped me.

Unironic places I recommend starting:
VIDEO COURSES:

Basic Drawing + Figure Drawing Stuff:
Proko classes:
Drawing Basics - This is probably the best new beginner course for someone who knows literally nothing. Pay for it, pirate it, whatever you need to do. It's actually still in progress at his site.
Figure Drawing Fundamentals - Once you're ready to start tackling, or at least fiddling with, figure drawing, start this up. Don't get too hung up on gesture, since you'll be doing a lot of it for your whole life anyway. Understanding the basic structure of the body is probably more helpful at first. The bean, the mannequin, etc.

Brent Eviston:
Art and Science of Drawing - I went through this on skillshare with a free code back in 2022 or so. Good teacher, explains well. Do the homework. Should be available in the video courses thread.
Figure Drawing - Same thing with the Proko figure drawing course - use this as another resource to learn figure drawing

Hampton's Figure Drawing: Was actually very helpful for me (video course and book)
--

Perspective and Rendering Stuff:
Marshall's 1994 Perspective Course: It's relatively short, simple, there's homework. Just buy it, it's like $10 on his website. It's also on the video course thread.

CTRL PAINT Basics - Basic Rendering Series, Perspective Sketching

>>6941167

--
BOOKS:
Hampton Figure Drawing
Bargue Plate Books
Loomis Figure Drawing for all it's worth
Loomis Head and Hands
Morpho Simplified Forms
Eviston's Books
--
Also, make copies of art that you like. I like megaman zero, castlevania, and final fantasy. Make sure you're working on personal stuff that's not for books or classes as well. I think this is the thing that has kept me drawing consistently since I've started again this year. And literally just draw things that are in your immediate vicinity, and draw every day. Make it a habit.

I'm going through Vilppu's renaissance figure drawing right now, but I don't know if I would be getting much out of it if I hadn't gone through a more straight forward course like Proko/Hampton/Eviston first.

>>6941140
>I never learned from books
How did you learn, anon?

how're things?

>>6941169
Also, draw lots of skulls. I bought a little skull and put it on my desk.

>>6941164
I like the style, exaggerated shapes and size is fun.

>>6941173
That is the intention but I also do it that way to cover that I don't know how to draw. It's easier to draw straight lines.

>>6941166
>Is this good advice?
Yes

>Does this actually work if you're at step 0 for learning to draw?
No

>>6941166
It's something you do when you can't draw well, and also when you are a professional.

>>6940788
she's a video game girl thoughever

>>6941166
Why don't you try it and see if it works retard

Trying to mimic her art style

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/thats-a-lotta-bubbline/list?title_no=720599&page=1

Not trying to do 1 to 1 but still, what do you think?

>>6941215
if you're not going for a perfect copy, I'de say you've achieved the right lines, are you gonna add in that marker watercolor effect too? it's a cute simple style, good for comics

>>6941166
You should definitely do it, just don't let it be the only thing you do. The further you are on your jorney the more it helps but I think it is even good at step 0 as soon as you learn how to see accurately

a little bit more

>>6941082
I can't give you any tips yet because I'm starting with bridgman, but I'm kind of following the book along with this series of videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPi92DnMis
I think it helps, bridgman instructions are hard to follow, at least for me

what do you do when you are stuck with zero confidence as a self-pitying gigabeg?

Fanart

>>6941260
I constantly post my work to get over it. It sucks, so what, I just move on, practice a bit and draw something else.
On other boards I sometimes samefag with my phone to shit on it and get other people to give crits. Sometimes you hiperfixate on a part and neglect one that sucks even more.

>>6941260
Draw

Im a pathetic nodraw now. Im soulless, I have nothing interesting in my life. Everyone is so much better. The pencil is heavy and cruel, drawing time feels useless, for I have no future. I wish this was different, but I can not see how that would be possible.

>>6941274
Lmao just stop thinking and draw fgt

just cracked clip studio paint and made this sketch to practice I feel lazy to take the next steps of doing the clean trace and coloring it is fun to do it or it is as boring as I imagine

>>6941274
>but I can not see how that would be possible.
it would be possible with the Reilly method

>>6941270
Barely beg or int - Great work

>>6940940

today stuff

>>6940746
my take

>>6941402
The best one so far. You captured the sense of being just barely in balance the most accurately

one more

How do i get motivated to drqw after having succumbed to vices and woken up at 3pm

>>6940771
>>6941128
style over substance

>>6941082
Part of copying is drawing from memory. You're supposed to copy a page as best as you can, close the book, get a new sheet of paper, draw it again. Compare the differences and learn from them.

>>6941431
>styleoversubstance

isn't that the point most of the time?

>>6941431
pyw

Is 18 to late to start learning if i have no prior experience?

>>6941457
Yes, it's too late.

>tfw still beg at 27

>>6941460
:(

>>6941457
no

>>6941466
Okay.
I'll start with KTD.
Thoughts?

>>6941468
KTD?

>>6941470
Keys To Drawing

>>6941471
>Keys To Drawing
I never used that book so I don't know if its good or not. Check out drawbox.com as well, but you should only use it for a month or so before moving on. Don't get too caught up in the exercises.

>>6941478
Anons told me that Drawabox is a noob trap and i should avoid it.
Which is it then?

>>6941479
Not a trap, just don't get obsessed with the grind that's all. I only used it for a month and never used it again.

>>6941484
Alright

Keys to drawing - foreshortened portrait

I started the drawing on Monday (basic lines in about 20 minutes) and kept procrastinating touching it again since. Glad I could at least "tick it off" so I can move on with my drawing life and the book even if it's no masterpiece.

something i won't finish since i dont like drawing in this style

is there any east artist that does all sorts of gesture drawing? every anime art is a 3/4 of the character standing still

>>6941554
>all sorts of gesture drawing
what do you mean by this

>>6941557
like jumping fighting etc

>>6941554
>every anime art is a 3/4 of the character standing still
wat??
>like jumping fighting etc
l

now I'm finished. I wanted to move his arm a little bit to the left but I was getting kinda lazy so whatever

>>6941569
what's wrong

in this land there is a king and his name is Reilly.

>>6941721
reilly is a fag, so are you.

emperor Reilly
67
keep loomin loomer

Can someone please redline this for me? I'm trying to feel the lines for this pose but need some help

Another weekend spent not drawing. Fuck me.

>>6941778
>>6941721
Is Reily good for absolute beginners?

>>6941783
I tried.

>>6941813
yes absolutely. read faragasso

>>6941783
I need the reference to properly get the form and perspective since I'm a bit weak in that area but hope this helps

>>6941804
You can always start now?

Ok I really don't get this. For the past two weeks I have done zero figure drawings, just portraits and then I pull this off tonight. There's still mistakes, but for the first time my studies actually look like something. I guess something just clicked.
What's next, more mileage?

>>6941884
same thing happened to me after I took a long break from drawing. Most my early work was kinda meh but the very first drawing I did after my long break turned out pretty good and did well on social media.
I don't know if I do better after a long break because I'm enjoying it more and don't care how well it turns out or if because I have an excuse in my mind that "this is my first drawing in a while, it makes sense if it doesn't turn out great"

>>6941884
>>6941890
Things need time to sink in.

>>6941783
boobaline

>>6941898
This. The same thing is true for fighting games especially. You need your brain to process the information and visual stimuli it received over a period of time,this time is shorter for some and longer for some. That's why quality sleeping is so important.

>>6941259
Thank you!

>>6940599
My besto friendo….

I'm trying to learn how to draw characters without copying the reference too closely. should I just bite the bullet and try drawing without references?

Hello beg. This exercise is questionable at best: literally draw the rest of the owl, but with figures. UGH

>>6941896
give me your art gains
>>6941548
eyes too wide apart
>>6941491
passed the exercise nicely
>>6941479
drawabox is a meme which makes you grind useless boxes, it doesnt even explain to you basic perspective rules to ensure you will at least learn howto draw correct boxes. utter disgrace
>>6941260
less thinking, more drawing
>>6940933
warning: you have to PYW before they let you in
discord gg/6U7xpuXe
>>6940916
when figure drawing books no longer teach you anything new. never mistake figure drawing books with anatomy books. BIG difference
>>6940704
keys to drawing
>>6941937
that is what i am trying to do these days. it is very VERY beg

>>6941943
>give me your art gains
i just draw

>>6941943
loomis is a hack

>>6941171
kawaii

i fucking hate how every time i'm figure drawing it feels like i have to relearn the shapes and sizes of the ribcage and pelvis and shit
when does it become automatic

I'm getting filtered by FORCE but whatever, I'll read the whole thing and see what happens

>>6941884
Another thing in addition to what the other anons mentioned is that by training your portraits you’ve been training observation and accuracy. You’ve definitely leveled up, anon. Good job.

>>6941948
and you are a faggot

>>6941554
there's this guy named fu-ta who's an absolute god on dynamic poses

>>6941943
>drawabox is a meme which makes you grind useless boxes, it doesnt even explain to you basic perspective rules to ensure you will at least learn howto draw correct boxes. utter disgrace

yeah the three hundred thousand exhaustive mathematical rules of perspective you've learned in your books have helped you a lot

>>6942043
heh I ain't falling for that again buckaroo

>>6942046
kek yeah good luck searching it but dude's fucking good

>>6942046
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/2744600

Kind of lazy today so I tried ~10 minute figures.

>>6941997
I feel like I'm at that point too and I fall back into copying too much. I think I'll go draw a bunch of rib cages in various positions tomorrow

So I began with drawabox and the number one rule that was drilled into my brain, the only think that mattered desu, is that I learn to draw with confidence. That the line that I place down via the ghosting method is the line I should be proud of is correct.

Then I'm looking at how Hampton does gesture and he suggests placing lots of light lines over and over, he seems to do five passes or so, then does a darker line. So I guess all that I learnt in Drawabox is antithetical to gesture drawing?

>>6942106
How are those contradictory?

>>6942106
Yes, draw box is a good start for learning 3d shapes and perspective. Gestures are a completed different thing.

>>6942109
Because the lines that Hampton begins with are messy
>>6942111
right okay!

>>6942106
There are different types of lines for different purposes. Try not to force yourself into only working with or making one type of line, it'll kill vitality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysAqNK6CHI

>>6941852
>You can always start now?
too late, its 11PM right now.
I'll try to do it tomorrow but my hopes aren't high up. I do nothing with my time ever. Damn

>>6942115
Are his messy lines wobbly or confident?

>>6942129
kinda confident I guess but he said he is "searching" for the right line with the lighter strokes.

>>6942136
Gesture has very little to do with the quality of lines. It's 99% about the shapes.

Figure drawing practice

>>6941272
>On other boards I sometimes samefag with my phone to shit on it and get other people to give crits
Kek I kneel anon

>>6941937
David Finch has an excellent video about this
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jYORCma17o4

You see, today I did not draw. That was because I was busy and had important things to do. Tomoroww I will.

am I getting it? slowly? I have to keep drilling into my head "Don't do contours, don't do contours!"

>>6942227
you are the best motivator i've ever had

>>6942240
No idea what that useless hatching in the background is all about, but that's the right direction. Good job, anon! You should definitely seek to visit a local figure drawing course. Photos are great to practice from but it's no comparison to the real deal.

>>6942235
Cute. Mind the placement of the nose, it's still three dimensional. Hair looks good, but you should avoid those super thick lines, it seems to be without purpose. Also the clothing is kinda whacky, draw the figure underneath and use proper reference.

>>6942156
Good, but try to block out the shadows instead of trying to render. Also use some construction or gesture instead of just trying to focus on the details.

>>6942139
That's just wrong. Gesture has everything to do with line quality and economy. Yes, it's about shape and weight as well, but it's the lines that inform about that. (Unless you block in the shapes painting, which is a legit way to do a gesture)

>>6942099
Looking good for ten minutes, but as with the other anon try to focus your efforts a bit more. Instead of shading in maybe take some more time measuring or draw through the forms.

>>6942092
Drapery! I like it. I'm not good with clothes, so not much I can say. Keep at it, anon.

>>6942015
Very nice. I never really understood Mattesi's force. Lots of great drawings but his approach boils down to - just capture the essense and take a close look? Was there anything you got out of that book? Personally I always felt it was less of an instructional artbook and more of a collection of his drawings and musings.

>>6942270
the background hatching was from a blog which suggested to throw down the hatching to get into the right mindset about gesture.

I wish i wasn't retarded and could justdraw. I'm going to spend my life not doing a single thing that was worth doing

>>6942270
The only massreplier in all of 4chan that I love. You are such a great presence in these breads! You always provide useful advice and motivation

>>6942283
Huh, that's actually a good tip and it seems to work out

>>6942286
Just draw, anon. Drawing is always worth doing. Pop in some music, grab a sheet of paper and a pencil and just doodle, copy someartist you like or draw some things in your room. What's holding you back?

>>6942296
>What's holding you back?
Hard to put it in solid terms but i'ts never been in my routine to do things worth doing. For so long as i can remember i was always just procastrinating and burning time and putting things off.
I could say its like ADHD or depression or fear of failure or whatever but i think the core of the issue is that i'm not at all used to work of any kind.

Its just not in my nature to actually sit down and do things

>>6942301
I also feel like because i need to spout paragraphs like that is why i will never actually break out of this limbo of burnt time. Someone who will actually start learning how to draw won't be dramaposting about it for weeks, he'll just pick up a book and start working with it.

I don't know the statistic but your chances of learning something after having given up thrice can't be great

>>6942306
>>6942301
>>6942286
>And above all, you let life defeat you. All the gifts your parents gave you, all the love and patience of your friends, you drowned in a neurotoxin. You let misery win. And it will keep on winning till you die -- or overcome it.

What's this bump? Above it is the nipple and below it is the rib cage?
Or is that the rib cage and below it is the stomach?

>drawing for a little over 2 months now
>doing well, getting the hang of figure drawing, perspective etc
>next step is apparently anatomy
>spend some time researching into it over this past weekend
>suddenly feel like shit and have no motivation to draw
it's not even that it's about how hard it is, but I guess it's recognizing that now my time of free constant improvement is soon to be over and i'll be just another person that can't see their own improvement due to how slow it will be

i think it's a mix of impatience and self doubt, do you guys have any recommendations on how to deal with these feelings? I don't want to quit, I can't really imagine quitting, but continuing seems equally as hard

>>6942312
you literally have the "hang" of both figure drawing and perspective. You already made it over an incredible hurdle and if you stopped now I'd still be jealous how you mastered that over two months. Be proud you are in the percentile group that actually improves during the initial step and doesn't sit at step 0 stagnating.

>>6942312
Naoki Saito had a nice video about that, and he basically said you should be happy to find stuff you suck at because it's an opportunity to improve and not be stuck in a rut

>>6942312
>i think it's a mix of impatience and self doubt, do you guys have any recommendations on how to deal with these feelings?
Nothing you ever do in life can ever be fueled by emotions because these run out very quickly. They can provide an initial rush necessary for you to get into something but they won't sustain it for long.
You essentially just need to replace your motivation with willpower and routine. Try drawing around the same time in similar conditions. After a while you'll feel weird if you don't.

>>6942301
As someone dealing with both (unmedicated) ADHD and depression I get where you're coming from. All I can say was that drawing immensly helped me to improve my mood, it makes my days a lot more purposeful and brighter. ADHD makes sitting down and starting to draw really, really fucking hard. But once you make that step there's a good chance hyperfocus will kick in. As a professional artist I have to kick myself in the butt every day to get started, but once I'm actually drawing I can draw for hours on end. There are a lot of resources and testimonials online about how to work around the pitfalls of ADHD, but in the end you have to find your own way. To make starting to draw less daunting it helps to set a super small goal that you can achieve within a few minutes. Having your goal simply being to draw or doodle for 5 minutes is fine as well. Usually that helps to get into the flow. Sometimes it doesn't and then it's okay to let it be. Managing expectations and forgiving yourself aren't easy things to do, but I'm sure you can achieve that with patience and persistance. Keep it easy, life's hard enough without beating yourself down.

>Its just not in my nature to actually sit down and do things
It's not. For me neither. So all we can do is sit down and try. Grab a pencil, anon.

instead of giving each other therapy can you answer this simple question instead? >>6942308

>>6942308
>>6942336
It's the ribcage indeed. You can actually feel it if you lean back a little.

>>6942292
Thanks for your kind words. I'm rarely on /ic/ these days so there must be other helpful anons.

>>6942336
Sorry for derailing.
>>6942329
I don't wanna jump to any diagnosis but you might be right. I've never earnestly tried the five minutes method, i'll give it a try. I usually enjoy the process itself but starting off is tough. I've never drawn for longer than 3 hour at once though.
I'll stop gloomposting and just try to get into the swing of things. I know this is gonna sound bad but i gotta wake up in 4 hours so it will have to begin tomorrow.

>>6942270
>>6942015

> I never really understood Mattesi's force...
He never really defines the term in an absolute sense. Mike is not Beginner material, but it is good. taking the terms literally, Force is strength as an attribute of a physical action or movement. So Directional Force is the direction that force is moving from one point towards another. Applied Force is defined from the get go. It's the direction in which the mass is moving from and towards. Applied force is a bit easier to understand by observing centrifugal force. The mass wants to move away from the point of which it radiates. The path it's on is DF. It's difficult to represent something invisible through a visual abstraction. Having an understanding of animation principles, timing and arcs in particular, would be of great help. Here's what I ended up attempting to illustrate on a single muscle belly. Again, this is a pretty big concept to grasp so it takes time to understand. Also note how AF will follow along the DF or completely through it.

>>6942308
it's nipple anon

>>6942368
The nipple is 100% the bump above

>>6942371
it's drapery fold above, and the middle is nipple, build a perspective grid

>>6942373
I don't know, if I take the line from the middle and move it up to the other nipple it lines up with that bump

>>6942378
wait a min, i just did realise it's naked loli without clothes. then yeah, it's a nipple, and this random bump has little sense

>>6942384
Pretty sure it's the rib case and then the middle line is the stomach bulge (erotic)

>>6942386
Something like this

Hard round brush portrait

Here's my photoshop file as well:

aHR0cHM6Ly9waXhlbGRyYWluLmNvbS91L3RzYjJvM0dD

>>6942307
>you drowned in a neurotoxin
NTA but it's the opposite for me, dopamine deficiency (I think)
I'm trying not to let it waste my life but it's not easy

>>6942408
i fried my dopamine receptors

>>6942412
My report said I don't have discipline now because I compensated for it growing up
It's the stupidest thing to have because every time I say it it makes me feel like such an ass

fuck drawing hieis hair dude. this shit is so hard

>>6941721
>>6941778
8 days since you were supposed to show off your figure drawings
wow so just now you started legs and you were shit talking that you were gonna make better figure drawings than me? what the fuck was your plan?

>>6942442
Break down hair into shapes

>>6942485
I usually don't have this much trouble with hair. just his specifically cause it's so spiky. thanks for the infographic though I think it'll be a big help

>>6942308
How did I do? Did I manage to capture the belly erotic?

some 5-10 mins figures

Following the sticky, first exercise from the Peter Han line control exercise

>>6942387
>>6942386
>>6942378
>>6942308

it's breast tissue/pectoral retards. bump below is the ribcage, smoother curve below that is the stomach/upper abs

>>6942625
Ah fuck that makes the most sense

>>6942625
thanks anon, were where you before I wasted time on this? >>6942526

>>6942645
eating dinner, an artist like me cant be expected to work on an empty stomach!

>were where you

>>6942625
>bump below is the ribcage
nope, the bump below are the abdominal muscles

>>6942663
Fuck the more I look at it the more I think I was right at first and >>6942625 is wrong
It's a loli so the breast tissue/pectoral is tiny

>>6942663
a bump in the abdominal muscles formed by the ribcage

>>6942666
If it was breast tissue wouldn't it slope more curved? The way there's a sharp line makes me think the breast tissue ends in green, the ribs go to red, and then the stomach is the blue

once you reach anatomy, what should your daily drawing practice be? just focusing primarily on things you're bad at/don't know? or still do figure drawing/gesture drawing every day with some days of anatomy focus?

>>6941834
>>6941852
>>6941903

Thank you
The ref is this gesture

>>6942312
there's always going to be periods of improvement and stagnation as you go, but also it's ok to take breaks if you're really not feeling up to it. art takes a long time to get good at so there's no point in being impatient about it and letting that drag you down

someone in the redline thread mentioned the face I drew here is a bit dead and I don't disagree, I just dunno why.

>>6940513
How smooth do your lines have to be when drawing? How perfect (as in not lopsided) do your circles need to be?

i am back after months, i tried day 2 of the Fresh Eyes class
it sucks and i suck but i'm not quitting
please ignore the doom scribbles of desperation
for reference, this is where i was at when i left
>>/ic/thread/6768305#p6770100

>>6942748
based I'm on day 2 tomorrow. Check out Hamptons book and YouTube videos too. They are really helping me because there is structure as opposed to other tutorials saying "just like feel it bro"

do you think handwriting trouble carries over to drawing? i have a lot of issues keeping my letters consistent and it feels pretty much exactly the same when i'm drawing, now that i think about it
>>6942751
thanks, i'll check that out

>>6940599
Today’s work

>>6940884
No way, far from a pro
This is the only place I post to to be honest, social media gives me a bit of anxiety

>>6941929
Yes

This is my result after spending an hour and 23 minutes trying to draw Enrico Pucci based on a figure i own. You know i have taught myself a few skills, learned two languages entirely on my own, and drawing is comparetively so cruel. It tricks you into thinking you are doing a good job only for you to finish your drawing and it ends up looking like shit. I'm doing my best to keep following guides and practicing but it's so demoralizing

I AM FUCKING PERMABEG. I HAVE NO FUCKING POTENTIAL AT ALL.

I'm new to drawing bros and I've seen alot of people say that drawing from life is better than drawing from photo references. Is that really true? Because sadly I can't leave the house much because of my health and I'd rather not draw random household items. Will drawing from photo references actually make it harder for me to progress?

>>6942858
at first you need to draw from life to develop a sense for forms, after that you can do whatever
good for you if you can find something interesting to draw directly from life, but if not, it's no big deal
drawing a hundred things from images that actually interesting to you and increase your visual library is better than, say, drawinga hundred kitchen utensils from life, unless you want to be a still life artist

>>6942858
drawing from life is a great experience and i would recommend doing it when you can, but you can become a great artist without it. there’s plenty of resources online, not just of still images, but models from videos/sites like croquis cafe that try their best to replicate the irl experience. sorry i know this sounds like a shill post just don’t give up bud.

>>6940513
In general, at what pace should I be approaching Bridgman? If I do a page a day, then it'll take about a year to do the whole book twice. Do anons that have followed this (https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/)) mind telling me how long this took them?

>>6942868
1 year

Thanks for the advice guys I wont give up. I'll definitley try croqius cafe. I think finding interesting reference photos sounds alot more fun than kitchen utensils so I'll go the path of drawing from alot of reference photos. I really appreciate the help it means alot.

>>6942736
probably just the expression and the lights in her eyes coming from different light sources, try drawing her with emotions, happy sad, angry whatever

>>6942736
there's no emotion to it, looks like someone pointed a camera at her and told her to smile
with that pose you should try something more embarrassed, have her look away from the viewer

>>6942852
Keep drawing, try practicing a few figures here: https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed build up a larger visual library for poses and anatomy

>>6942669
>>6942666
>>6942663
>>6942625
Both bumps are likely the ribcage

>>6942470
>you were gonna make better figure drawings than me?
already did, 11 days ago.

>>6942918
Nope, arleady btfo you on that, it was a shitty incomplete study, 9 days btw

You know, I think I'm finally starting to enjoy the potato old man for what they are

Please help!

>>6943007
lol its 9 days now. you said 8 days 12 hours ago and that was pushing it. it was the november 13th. thats 7 days ago.
youre a funny clown

its gonna be 40 days by the end of the day

>>6942852
why are you like this? You are so ignorant of real beginners, those with no sense of proportion, stuck drawing contours and symbols, drawing from the wrist, etc. you are not a beginner you are advanced!

with the Reilly method, a simple task

>>6943082
ok, but what is it

>>6943101
a method of drawing that will allow you to draw anything natural - and to some extent unnatural - with ease and with lifelike quality.

>>6941778
12 days

>>6941778
13 days

>>6943082

14 days

lol

>>6940688
>Dark fantasy
>Has gore, rape and so on
>It's dark fantasy
>What was Miura's problem?

You can't make this shit up

I'm 30 yo and I want to start drawing from 0 as a hobby is it feasible or it will be a waste of time?

>>6943147
quantify goals and expectations

>>6943059
He's mentally ill. Does the same thing in one of the /a/ drawthreads

>>6943059
when do you want to draw from the wrist and when from shoulder?

>>6943181
use your wrist as little as possible

>>6940513
Making a character for fun. Would appreciate feedback on the proportions and simple anatomy before I get into details, clothing, line art, and coloring.

>>6943108
15 days

Many people say human's worst invention was the atomic bomb, but I disagree. In my view it was the pencil that was the disaster for humankind. It has crushed my soul. Had I not know of art, I would have lived happily without desire. But now, Im only a shell of a human being, for I will never make art.

>>6943049
don't care, i just open the thread and add an extra day, will recount when we hit a new milestone
>>6943101
it's fucking shit, he cant draw
>>6943108
draw a figure

>>6943237
16 days

I am doing this without a time limit, taking like 5-10 mins per drawing. I think now I need to start the time limit then move onto construction lessons with cylinders n stuff

if anyone in here is on cgpeers, is it cool to use a seedbox? i don't see anything in the rules about it. "allowed client" doesn't really mean anything to me since there's no further description

>>6943237
17 days

>>6943237
18 days

>>6943237
19 days

trying to practice differentiating from the reference but it's kinda hard

>>6943237
20 days
we are halfway to our daily ratio of making days up

Correct this, please

>>6943306
i corrected it. got a tiny bit carried away thoughever.

>>6943314
fuck off shartoid.

>>6943318
weird of saying thanks boss

>>6943059
Anon, I still have the pain of being a from the very bottom beginner burnt inside my fucking brain.
Here is one of the first things I drew a week into drawing, just a few hours after unpacking my brand-new drawing tablet.
I may be slightly less shit but I am still very fucking shit.
>Advanced
LOL. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
>>6943173
Hello!
>>6942910
Something unholy comes out if I don't spend at least half an hour trying to correct a simple figure.

Time to fire up Krita.

>>6943340
It isn't a competition but you need to learn to be confident. You must be blind if you cannot see massive improvement between your two images.

>>6943306
Did you use a reference?
I think titty might be sticking out too much. Also line of spine is too straight, have it follow twist of torso.

>>6943108
21 days

>>6942744

if your lines arent perfect and even every time you'll never make it

"whaaah!"

>>6943420
Post moar

>>6943426
You got it

>>6943237
22 days

I submit a new rule:
1.) when posting an image, or a direct link to an image one made, one MUST include a note either in the filename or comment if the image:
a) was copied/traced or,
b) was drawn from a reference
In the absence of this declaration, it may be assumed to be an original work.

>>6943442
see>>6940705

>>6943442
if you draw from reference you might as well be tracing, and it's always apparent

>>6940678
These proportion guides are such a meme just shows how little you draw if you actually think they're useful

mileage sheet

more morphos

>>6942270
>>6942360
>>6942015
Saved from a thread back in January of this year, it may be helpful

>>6943314
What the hell do they have to do with it? I'm also a conservative but I know how to differentiate adult art from real life, you're paranoid.

>>6943364
use the stain technique, don't use references, I published it here on /ic a long time ago and someone corrected it for me but since I'm a careless idiot I lost the correction, now I found this drawing again and I ran into the same problem

When I try to draw a face from the front everything is always so fucking skewed and I dont see it except when I mirror the image. Its like the jawlines on both sides are different, the nose-eye axis is skewed, one part of the face is wider than the other side etc. Any exercises to improve this?

is this solid?

some copies, figures and the cool gnome, useless day today

>>6943655
>books
There are a billion videos out there where you can see the process of great artists, there's also a magical mute button so you don't have to listen to their mumbo jumbo pseudoscience.

>>6943681
>mumbo jumbo pseudoscience
funny, i don’t see drawing on the right side of the brain on there

What do you think makes a permabeg?

>>6943693
this:
>>6943126
>>6943127
>>6943129

man, how do you cope with being so fucking bad... I'm feeling like shit...

you're telling me it's OKAY for me to use stabilization? wtf

Hello beg! i keep looming (and suffering)

>>6943754
i draw and pyw
>>6943655
i can vouch for keys to drawing, pers made easy and robertson how to draw. I am currently doing fun with pencil and honestly i think the book is a joke.
>>6943634
this is why every art book tells you to first do thin construction lines for half of the face, line where eyes will be and line for lips
>>6943420
>>6943429
cute and soulful
>>6943215
looks like standard anime/furry thot to me
>>6943030
and what are they?
>>6942950
increase thickness of your brush, save your wrist and time
>>6942858
drawing from real life is a luxury. drawing from references (photos) is necessity
>>6942394
you didnt push values hard enough

>>6943420
this is great.

The drawings in this book just hit different. PURE. SOVL. WARM. NOSTALGIC.

>>6943814
Stop losing your time on grinding this book, it's not supposed to be copied the way you do it.

Never take advice from Pawell, he's a permabeg who fell for the loomis meme

>>6943814
>looks like standard anime/furry thot to me
yeah, I'm still trying to get body and basic poses down, but wanted to have a go at creating something for once. Still need to work on a lot of things. thanks for the feedback

I read through a chapter and a half of the Full Solution and did two apples
Two questions:

Any recommendations on how to do mid-tones? Chapter two labels it as one step but it seems harder with change in saturation, diffusion, etc.

Is there exercises for edges? In the past I've been told if it doesn't look good blended, do harder shapes but then I don't figure out how to do soft/lost edges.

>>6943888

>>6943888
>>6943889
To the apple thread with you
>>6930907

>>6943893
t. doctor

>>6943814
I just visited your blog out of curiosity and I must say your "wisdom" part of your website is actually good advice. Seeing your library made me a little bit scared. Did you read all those books?

Your constant studies are impressive, you never stop and actually draw which is something 50% of /beg/ don't even do.

Here is some critique though: Try to filter out useless parts and studies. I don't think copying these figures from the loomis beginner book helps you since you already copied so many other figures from other books. I think you should focus on the parts on which you feel the most insecure about.

>>6943869
cute but her waist is so narrow in relation to her shoulders, it gives the impression that a piece of her torso is missing

>>6943939
Not him but it's an ai image

>>6943941
really? that's unfortunate

>>6943941
You are a paranoid idiot, where do you see AI, tell me????
I have drawn and painted this in a messy way on purpose and yet they insist on saying that it is AI, you are sick.

Bros how do I gain more confidence to actually draw a finished piece? All I do is studies, I always think I need to study more before attempting a "real" drawing, propably because I'm afraid or something idk

>>6943658
I like these anons, good job

Is it normal to get my proportions totally wrong? I haven't been able to get over this
>"I won't draw too large, I'll keep it just inside the bounds of the page"
>drawing is half the length of the page
>"Alright I'll go bigger then, but not too much"
>drawing is 150% as big as the page

First attempt at landmarks and construction... I can tell the boxes are not right which means the landmarks aren't right which means the eggs are not right which means it's all fubar. Oh well, I'll keep /pmw/ and drawing everyday.

>>6943973
You might wanna ask yourself why you're afraid. Try not to put too much pressure on yourself. At some point, it's counterproductive.
You gain confidence by finishing pieces. The first X finished pieces will probably look kinda bad, but the X+1th might start looking good! Just be sure to try to learn from mistakes and all that stuff.

>>6944078
Yeah. It's normal. Have you tried measuring before you draw? There's several ways to help with this, but some things you can do are:
>Split your drawing area into a 3x3 grid. This tends to help me a lot when doing studies
>Estimate the proportions (for example, if the head is 2cm, then measure out 15cm for a standing body) and do a very rough sketch before advancing too much.
Tried giving advice, but more specifics might help.

i NEVER get as tilted with anything as i do with drawing
it's absolutely insane
at least it shows i care

update: i bit my eraser (used for about a decade) in half because the angle of a shoulder is wrong
>>6944090

howt eh fuck do i turn off my emotions while drawing

>>6944109
You want emotions when drawing, it would get directly translated into your work! Better that than lifeless faces

>>6944116
no im >>6944095
i wanna fucking draw without slamming my desk if i draw a ribcage too big

aet/hljd zcxn'grwoSVAD

i'mLOOKING at the refecerence and i cant' take it from tehre to the page
the ribcage and the pelvis are a fucking milke apart

>>6944117
kek I am imagining you with a neck brace like Tourette's guy, swearing and raging over his sketches

>>6944125
it's that but sad instead of funny

over

i am fucking regressing
how is this even possible

maybe fresh eyes just isnt for me

>>6942852
stop drawing faggot shit and you will improve

Hampton's manual or Vilppu's manual?

Legs are next! Woohoo!
>>6941997
It’s just a matter of mileage
>>6942528
Good job anon, these look very clean and confidant
>>6942612
Based, I’m gonna do dynamic sketching next I think
>>6942700
I think David Finch’s idea of doing gesture every day and drawing from anatomy books is a good idea. I think apparently Will Weston’s “mindless doodle time” where he just idly sketches stuff is usually drawing from anatomy books. I think it’s about grinding the individual parts until you learn them, while doing figure drawings to incorporate it into your skill set. Personally, my plan to learn anatomy is to finish copying morpho simple forms and then draw through Bridgman. I do some gesture/figure drawings all the while.
>>6942748
>>6942751
That’s interesting. I might take a look at that too. I look forward to seeing what y’all think of it when you’re done.
>>6942761
Lmao my handwriting is garbage, so I hope not.
>>6942770
Impressive. I’d like to see full figure drawings too.
>>6942816
Do keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain or proko’s or Brent Eviston’s beginner course to learn observational drawing and accuracy. You gotta learn how to draw what you see instead of what your brain thinks you see. Also, just plain old getting more mileage will help you level up. If I were you, I’d do more drawings instead of spending a long time on one drawing. You’re doing some chicken scratching, but the first couple lessons of Draw A Box will help.
>>6942871
Godspeed
>>6943215
I don’t really see anything actually wrong except maybe the hooves are a bit large.
>>6943242
>>6943360
Nice. Keep going!
>>6943420
Adorable
>>6943517
Based
>>6943535
BASED
>>6943658
Oh, nice
>>6944082
nice hips/legs. arms and wrist need work
>>6944084
Right box is pretty close, just a bit short. keep it up!
>>6942852
Nah
>>6944150
You’re not. I can see the improvement. Just work on proportion (torso is a bit long compared to the legs). Keep going!

i was assigned to draw a hoshiguma bike punk for this week, drawover and paintover for free pls :D

I don't fucking like what I'm doing
I'm doing Vilppu's first task from his manual, and *while* I am trying to do gestures I confuse the intention with the method
I *know* the lesson is "capture gesture by using just a few lines", but while I am busy, that devolves to "trace the outline, just use curvy lines" in my head, when I KNOW that's not what the intent is
Also fuck posting my work taking longer than the actual drawing

>>6944249
cute

NEW THREAD
>>6944304
>>6944304
>>6944304

>>6943941
>Not him but it's an ai image
>>6943951
>You are a paranoid idiot, where do you see AI, tell me????
>I have drawn and painted this in a messy way on purpose and yet they insist on saying that it is AI, you are sick.

i checked and its not ai.

zzzz

>>6940513
How to study better? Doing bridgman, i read his texts and try to understand, which is easy, and i copy and analyze his drawings. Anything else i should do?

>>6944717
>fred is getting better

How?

>>6944516
kek everyone getting filtered by AI

>>6944516
The ai image "detection" doesn't work stupid ai nigger
>>6944888
Samefag