/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6936335
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

>>6936340
This wasn't funny the first time you posted it and still isn't

>>6934653
I finished it I guess
I also made an nsfw edit

>>6934653
I finished it I guess
I also made an nsfw edit

i guess im getting it
i will have to see it in practice

Hand practice. Getting a little better.

i have no idea how lights work

What do you guys do on off days? I generally try to do 60-90 minutes of study before moving on to doing original work, but today I just feel like I can't feel form, my line confidence sucks, so it feels a bit pointless to try to do original work when I can't get my exercises right.

How do i hold my pencil

Current wip

>>6936409
I've tried that grip before largely because of seeing more talented artists than me use it. I think you need to be working really really big for that grip to make sense, and I don't have the fine motor control to get the sort of smooth tapering or control the line width well with that grip. I generally just draw with a normal writing grip, but grip a bit further from the tip than I would if I was actually writing. I do draw relatively big to try working from the shoulder, but even on my 9x12" sketchbook that grip feels too small. If I ever feel like graduating from single character portraits onto a bigger paper I might try it again but overall would not recommend.

How often do you guys stretch? I didn't at all last night and my shoulder is still sporadically sore after a 3 hour drawing session.

>>6936410
Based, blog?

I'm getting a cintiq 22 for Christmas

What programs should I get to really get into digital animation? I want to draw this thing slithering across walls, among other projects, and I don't know how to describe it by text.

Any tips to draw old hair or fur?

>>6936438
This goes for any type of hair / fur, but don't draw strands, draw the forms they create. Leyendecker is often cited as a very good person to study for this.

>>6936432
congrats anon, free opentoonz and krita, paid csp the others are too expensive to start with.

>>6936432
Buy CSP.

>>6936384
Love the way the smile of whoever is trapped inside her stomach is visible, very voretistic.

>>6936422
>>6936410
>>6936405
Ngmi

>>6936335
Late starter here in need of advice.

I'm looking into picking up drawing as a hobby as vidya no longer is fun for me.

How do you make drawing fun?
Any techniques for learning to draw faster that you wish you knew when you were younger?
Examples of late starters making it would also be nice too.

[spoiler]I'm 25[spoiler]

>>6936494
Here's my litmus test to see if you find drawing fun. Draw porn. If you manage to give yourself a hard-on you'll enjoy drawing.

>>6936494
For me the fun part starting out was always learning and seeing improvement.

>>6936494
Draw whatever you find fun. I have the most fun drawing Bridgmans, so that's what I do the most, even when I really ought to be drawing something else. It's kinda weird, the ideas for original drawings are never as fun to execute as sketching Bridgmans.

Did this compositional piece for the final KtD assignment. I'm finished, but I could use potential critiques. Thoughts on my use of gray as a pseudo-reflection? Or the perspective tiles?

>>6936506
What is there to critique? You have eyes right? There is a million and one things you should be able to notice yourself before you need critique, I swear this is s containment thread for chrischans.

>>6936506
Pseudo reflection? You mean a fucking shadow?

>>6936494
Sit down and draw with a goal in mind. I find the calm and concentration a reward in itself. Follow a book or something so you can constantly see your own progress.

>>6936506
>final KtD assignment
What's that?

couple fun

>>6936486
Pyw

>>6936515
>>6936516
Gmi

>>6936517

>>6936522
>posted a november last year art
py recent work

>>6936335
Wtf who posted the pipplap art and was it in the last thread so I can download it

>>6936531
Sorry that is my most recent work, I've been looking at loads of people drawing animu recently so I'm sure I'm even better now.

critique? is part of animation so its just one frame

>>6936537
shit bait made me leply

>>6936512
No. It's meant to be a reflection, but I didn't want to spend time drawing the details so I made it gray and called it a day.

>>6936543
I like the gun, overall I think the pose is poor, it doesn't look like her leftside is angled towards the gun instead her arm just looks super long.

added sum colour.

>>6936543
Decide what you want to do. You have a rifle drawn with strict adherence to perspective and clean linework and an anime girl with exaggerated perspective and form, and kinda sloppy linework. They don't belong together. The gun is certainly the better of the two but a more loose style isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>6936545
>I didn't want to spend time drawing the details so I made it gray
Are you retarded? It isn't ever going to ever read as a shadow if you color the whole thing a solid dark tone and add no detail. If you want it to read as a reflection, draw it as one. You can't fucking draw a shadow and expect it to look like a reflection.

Man.

I'm just too bored to draw if that makes sense.

Owari Da.

>>6936555
Learn to be a "bit" more respectful. Until then, eat a grilled dick sandwich.

>>6936497
I'll look into that actually.
>>6936499
That's pretty much for any kind of hobby that requires time spent to improve in it. I will find that fun if I make it to that point.
>>6936500
That is a bit weird. I think it might be because anatomy maybe requires less effort than making sure something is as awesome in execution as it seems in your head?
>>6936513
>Follow a book or something so you can constantly see your own progress.
I have a sketchbook with me.
Is Fun With a Pencil a meme here or is it unironically a good drawing guidebook?

>>6936558
I feel you. I have ideas to draw, but I have no desire to actually draw them today. Just gonna do my studies so I don't feel guilty later.

>>6936559
>go to a forum where moderation only really is for making sure discussion is mostly on topic
>whine when somebody calls you retarded
Unironically go to reddit. Much more traffic there and you can find people who won't mock you. I go here to because I can call people faggots, so eat a dick faggot.

Work in progress drawing

Xwo has tons of notes, photos and video about Gods fucking. He has been threatened to never release the info, but he did anyway cause he doesnt give a shit.

>>6936513
>What's that?
Keys to Drawing. The last project is 7F. But there's an additional chapter after 7.

>>6936566
fuck it didnt load

>>6936565
How does it taste?

>>6936560
>fwap
I cannot speak to whether it is productive but it was less fun to me than drawabox. Couldn't hurt to try though. It's not necessary but if you enjoy it go for it.

>>6936559
You really should kill yourself

>>6936515
>>6936516
What's your secret? Whenever I draw landscapes I end up trying to render each leaf and making detailed tree barks and lose hours
How do you keep things simplified just to the essentials?

>>6936573
No.

>>6936570
I'll look into drawabox I already found a PDF of Fun with a Pencil. I'm just looking for resources that can help me "catch up" with those that didn't start late. In a perfect world I'd learn to draw manga style because I'm an unoriginal weeb like that.

>>6936335
How do I make the mushrooms more realistic? I feel like it’s gotta be the hue/saturation or maybe texture but I’m new to drawing from imagination and I lm in the middle of tweaking the mushrooms that’s why the big one looks messy I can post the original but I’m not sure which one looks better. If someone helps me with this I feel like I’d be able to take their advice and just do it myself from now on but idk which way to go from here. Also I know it’s a bad composition it started as a Pinterest girl sketch

>>6936587
Posted it medium size cuz I didn’t wanna summerfag it up but the quality is shit. Btw that’s a work I was working in on her shoulder and the butterfly is supposed to be a bioluminescent tattoo kinda thing but they’re both on different layers

What's the cure for shaky hands?

>>6936589
Worm*

>>6936590
Draw more

too hard to wrap my head around it

>>6936594
lies

>>6936590
weed

When someone masturbates over one of my drawings I'll know I made it

>>6936587
I think there are a lot of things you could do. Looking with zero saturation can help you see absolute value better. It looks like the mushroom's highlight is much too bright. The way you've rendered her skin it looks pretty reflective and almost oily. Reflective objects tend to have sharper contrast from light to dark, and matte objects less so. Mushrooms are generally very matte. The biggest mushroom also looks like the cap is bent at a weird angle. It is pretty near eye level so the ellipse the cap follows should be close to flat. Also the disconnect between the incredibly high saturation and lack of texture on the mushrooms make them seem less real. With the blue glow, it should also be reflecting and illuminating her neck and clavicle area, and be tinting the reflections on her skin blue, though the main glow could stand to be less saturated.

How would you distill/block in these colors without color picking?
With skins I usually go with yellows and oranges for lights, reds and desaturated purples for shadows. But right now I can’t come up with any way to distill this color scheme.

>>6936606
Another thing that bothers me is her trapezius. It looks waaaayyyy to far to the left in your drawing.

>>6936608
brown/orange and olive

>>6936608
Looks like there are some pinkish tones around his lats.

>>6936518
Thank you mann, that means a lot :)
>>6936574
Try to focus on having strong, definite lines/line-shaped clusters of both black, and popping color to give shape and volume to what you're making, then look at how it sits in relation to the white and add/swear off whatever feels incomplete or finished (the most challenging part is finding that end point and sticking to it). Then repeat (or don't) until satisfied.

>>6936608
green for this

How does ic do soft shadows? Never done it b4. I did cel-shading here and just went over it with the blur tool

>>6936630
Her knees look about ready to buckle.

In moments like this I feel like an absolute fucking retard

>>6930539
another day another filter
help

>>6936637
They spent trillion of dollars and the entire electrical output of a small nation and they still couldn't train an AI to do hands right

>>6936630

>>6936705

any critiques on this (1/2)

(2/2)

>>6936646
Eyes to nose distance is too much, wrap around Bowie's head should have different incline (you drew closer eyes collapsing down, while it should be rising due to perspective), and your construction is all over the place (granted this is normal as I believe construction is not meant for copying but drawing your own heads).
Try to pay more attention to how lines allign agains each other, use simpler construction (Loomi's head or asaro head), block out where main face point should be (eyes, nose, mouth, chin, eyebrows) very lightly first to get their placement and relative size better. Flip canvas, zoom out from the picture to find most glaring mistakes.

>>6936494
I started at 28. For me, drawing has gotten more enjoyable as I've become more capable.
Starting out is likely to be extremely frustrating and depressing, but you have to push through it and continue pumping out trash so that future you can enjoy the fruits of your labor with the ability to express yourself through drawing.
Whatever you have to do to keep yourself drawing consistently, you should do it. Even mindlessly drawing lines on a blank canvas is far more productive than avoiding drawing altogether out of fear or laziness

Drawing is bullshit that wastes your time and makes you feel like a failure. Let's all throw the sketchbook in the trashcan, get a law degree and make a name for ourselves in employment law.

>>6936494
Go through a beginner book, The Art and Science of drawing by brent eviston is the best, it has a nice linear approach to it and has good exercises for you.

Then just draw what you want to draw and keep at it, the more you draw the better you get at it, but only if you understand the fundamentals.

>>6936727
No.

>>6936727
Yes.

>>6936727
>>6936731
You're samefagging on /ic/, becoming a lawyer is the last thing you're capable of.

Had a rather bad day which I won't get into, I did do these though for practice sake...

I can do straighter lines now, at least with less error though not perfect. I am however REALLY BAD at doing 3D cubes, I can't seem to make the top and bottom faces look consistent, creating a wonky and unconvincing 3D look.

Also feeling a tad lost, since I stopped doing the burne hogarth studies, think I should try drawing real people even though I don't know how to properly construct people yet...perhaps should I learn how to that better?

>>6936728
Does anyone happen to have a .pdf of Art of Science and Drawing by Brent Eviston?

>>6936646
I would study the skull itself first, or the asaro head; skull anatomy is very difficult (and maybe even do only one feature at a time like the zygomatic arch / the nose / etc, rather than trying to take on the whole head at once)

>>6936736
cheer up, keep drawing that always cheers me up. Try copying a 3d cube, there is one in here:

https://idlecanvas-wagmi.web.app/?mode=3d

>>6936560
>Is Fun With a Pencil a meme here or is it unironically a good drawing guidebook?
It's good to get you through the motions. But if you hate it and its materials with a passion, either take time off from it and pursue some personal projects and come back or look for a different resource altogether.

>>6936758
Very nice. Would like to see you do more dynamic faces/angles.

>>6936715
she looks like a gorilla

A puppet(?)

Posted in the last thread
Crit I got was darken the shadows along the jawline and face structure
Make hair less whispy and draw in chunks

Anything else would be appreciated

>>6935476
tifa anon here, thanks again for the crit i can totally see where i can improve.

You mentioned a proko course which one? (reposting ur redline crit)

I’m not going to draw for this thread. I haven’t drawn for a couple of months now. Feels good.

>>6936844
>I haven't drawn for a couple of months now
why not?
>feels good
so why are you here? not being a dick, just genuinely curious

>>6936847
I don’t draw because you people told me I was NGMI. I come by to remind you all of how shit this general is.

>>6936847
To collect (You)s from retards like you who choose to engage. We were almost troll free already but newfags will newfag.

>>6936855
(you)
>>6936860
(you)

>>6936855
embarrassing

>>6936829
It's titled Drawing Basics. It's 160. If that's too steep at the moment, pirate a course that's similar. Russian academic drawing with Iliya Mirochnik comes close. Brent Eviston has a course. These are both somewhere on the net. Proko and Brent are more beginner friendly than Iliya, Iliya also has a stutter which may irritate some people. >>6936840 looks like you might be able to get it for 20% off.

>>6936844
I haven't drawn in a few months either. I have so much trouble starting drawings, I don't even know why

>>6936864
something that has helped me in the past when I had trouble was having faith in the 5 minute rule: that when you set out for yourself a task for 5 minutes - depending on the sort of task of course - once you get past the 5 minutes it is not that difficult (if at all) to continue for longer.

>>6936604
I did feel a sizzle in my pizzle but it fizzled. I quite like the ass and pose, love that you got the under cleavage in there, but the construction overall isn't solid enough for my tastes and her foot is a little mannish as well. I think what took me out of the sexual gaze state was her head (which doesn't appear naturally attached to her torso) and her left arm, which is way too high. With the angle the breasts are at, her left arm should be lower than her right. Not bad though, keep pushing, art is like masturbation itself, you'll get there.

Stretching figures are nice, but neutral poses end up stiff. Middle one sucks, but I'm not sure how I could've done it better.

>>6936736
Didn't the Hogarth book help you with constructing people? Try drawing figures from reference for a while. https://www.adorkastock.com/sketch/

>>6936855
Why quit and seethe when you have the power to prove the crabs wrong AND be the change you want to see in this very general?

>>6936879
Yeah, but that’d be a waste of time because you’re a piece of shit.
>>6936862
>>6936860
Luv u 2 ;o

>>6936860
But the regulars ARE the trolls.

>>6936877
Middle one isn’t that bad, it’s just lacking a lot of back anatomy like the scapulae and back muscles, plus the back of the thighs and the calves lack form and are disproportionate (while lower leg section is too short). Butt is also too flat. Your other drawings are good but it seems drawing the front/ 3/4th perspective of the body is your comfort zone so I’d say draw more backs if you want more success

I'm trying to practice 3 point perspective and rendering more realistic environments but the shelves and the stuff on the shelves look terrible. Should I just blur the background slightly so noone notices or is it fixable?

And the girl looks too large for the environment despite everything else drawn to make her look small. I have no clue why that is.

>pedo shit
no thanks

>>6936863
Thanks anon I'll check out prokos drawing basics. You mentioned in the course there was some tools that could help me.

What are some of the names so I know what to look for?

>>6936604
>>6936870
the pose is cool

>>6936887
pippa didn't deserve this

We're taking away your tablet privilege's you degenerate pedo

>>6936887
pick a vertical VP and stick to it (use a ruler to check your vertical lines)
the figure doesn't feel like it agrees with the perspective of the bg, but this is a hard angle try to find a reference for the foreshortened proportions and the orientation of the head.
>scale
you haven't provided enough context clues in the background, try putting more things on the shelves and also some identifiable things that the viewer definitely knows the size of. adding more objects will also provide more support to the viewer of where your VPs are. doesn't have to be more boxes either you can use alignment of the price labels or other patterns.

help me with this wip plz
some things i notice but don't know how to fix:
the face shading looks weird. too flat i think.
the lines on the leotard dont follow the ass correctly.
disregard the completely unshaded parts

>"damn this picture looks like ass, let me flip it so I can see what's wrong"
>looks better flipped
>looks okay flipped back to normal
wtf

>>6936608

If I'm not going for a 100% accurate copy, I normally throw in whatever color (or even start in grayscale), and then adjust it using gradient mapping (although this may defeat the purpose of doing a color study if that's what you were going for)

>>6936930
if you're going to study an image you should at least try for as accurate a simplification as possible

>>6936915
Where is your light source?

>>6936892
>You mentioned in the course there was some tools that could help me
I probably should have clarified that at the time.
When I said tools, I was referring to the skills that you'd obtain throughout the course that become apart of your metaphorical toolbox. Measuring is a tool you use in the drawing process to accurately assess an objects angles and proportional relationship for instance. Mass Drawing (although it won't be called that) is another tool to further understand any given subject you may come across. These are critical and universal skills that'll only serve to help you make the art that you want.

>>6936943
ah yeah it's pretty fucked up. ill go with top left and make some changes. thanks.

>>6936915
Virtually all of these problems can be solved by studying construction + perspective + anatomy together in a rhythm. The fact that you're seeing these problems is evidence it's time you should move towards developing a deeper understanding of 3D space.

Construction + anatomy will teach you how to solve the shading problems on the face because it will reveal how planes function in regards to light sources.

Construction + anatomy will help with the leotard lines because you'll have a better conception of how they curve across the structure.

You also have other construction based problems. Her gloves for instance are not convincingly three dimensional. Studying cylinders and how they rotate in 3D will help.

>>6936944
Gotcha thanks for the explanation. Back to the grind.

>>6936915

>>6936949
>>6936962
thank you for this. god damn i have a long way to go.

was this made with ai?

>>6936966
Ah, don't get too discouraged. It takes a long, long time to internalize these things, but you're getting there. Study and push yourself whenever possible. Just remember to always create what you want to see as well, and for each new thing you master through study, apply it to something you're passion about.

>>6936975
Yes the goggles are fucked

>>6936980
nah seeing a side by side is actually encouraging i just sometimes forget how much i don't know yet y'know what i mean?

>>6936976

>>6936976
Nice stuff

wip i never finished cause i think it's stuck in uncanny valley

Dithering is one of those things where you might think there would be more information online or it would be easier, but this stuff is hard. So far dithering pattern + scatter makes for a nice gradient eraser.

>>6936975
nice textures

>>6937021
finish it, you learn faster by failing

>>6937021
Finished>perfect

Finish it and learn something. The process is what matters

hands

>>6937021
I think it turned out good
you should finish and start something else
when drawing, quantity > quality

>>6937112
Increase the sharpness of your brush/eraser, because even your hard edges are diffused.
Also, I think you will benefit from learning how to use a color selector in the RGB color space instead of just relying on the common HSV colour selector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9tAusvReGnQ

Xwo and Set have a nice talk
(btw, to impregnate a god you need to make them orgasm super fucking hard)

>>6937021
reworking it into something new

I want to start drawfagging. I like to think I can get proportions and faces good enough to at least somewhat resemble the character.


>>6937069
So good. Wish I was good enough to fill practice sheets just like that.

>>6937206
the trick to filling a practice sheet is to just do it, theres no minimum skill requirement and it'll make you better

I think I’m beginning to understand forearms
>>6936296
Oh, well in that case definitely keep going. I think you should focus KtD, boxes, etc. for now, but to take a break or mix things up, yeah have at it. Ganbatte, anon!
>>6936384
I think the rendering flattened out her hips, thighs, and tummy.
>>6936391
Godspeed
>>6936399
Yeah, hands are hard.
>>6936405
Proko and Brent Eviston have good introductory videos on rendering on YouTube. Vilppu and Mark Brunet have good videos on rendering with modeling tone, which might be easier (or harder, lol.)
>>6936408
Circles and lines so I at least drew something
>>6936410
Decent. Only proportion need any work, the rest is mileage. Good anatomy and good forms.
>>6936422
I think this is the first time I’ve seen a figure where the feet are the best part, lol. Based, GMI.
>>6936432
That’s a cool drawing. Kinda makes me think of ONE
>>6936506
Cute. Perspective on the dog is off. Mighta been better without the grey in the reflection, and just left it an empty outline. You wouldn’t get nearly as much shit if you hadn’t called it a reflection lol. Congrats on finishing KtD, that’s a huge milestone!
>>6936515
Lovely
>>6936547
The phone cord is impressive
>>6936568
Nice shapes, good designs, you’ve got lots of potential. Xwo reads as female to me though
>>6936543
>>6936599 explains it better than I could do with words. Nice gun though
>>6936604
I suspect that’s happened to one or more of my drawings, but I don’t know for sure. Idk if I want to know. Might be weird. You want people to fap to your art?
>>6936622
Moar
>>6936715
Monke
>>6936713
I’ve seen many anime girls floating in voids but this one’s my fave
>>6936736
Hope you’re okay, fren
>>6936758
Everything’s great except the one-eyed girl’s one eye
>>6936829
Copy this and Google base64
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>>6937021
>>6937202
Very nice
>>6937206
>good enough
Kek. Just do it

>>6936709
>>6936705
Very very cool. Thanks

gambling

>>6937254
Based, this is some beautiful work. Is this from Morpho?

>>6937269
>Based, this is some beautiful work.
Thanks, fren
>Is this from Morpho?
Yep, Morpho Simplified Forms.

Really starting to understand that my colors won't improve unless I seriously improve my shading. But I don't know what the hell i'm doing. I really like my sketch, I wanted to try and make something largely lineless but it just becomes a different drawing. I don't know man. Gonna try and do an underpaint this time I guess.

I'm still trying to find a way to get out of my comfort zone. My drawings are never taller than a pencil, often just 1/2 or 1/3 or even 1/4 a pencil. I feel uncomfortable with bigger stuff, I can't nail the proportions. I also want to stop drawing with my wrist but I can't control my lines when I draw from my shoulder. I have trouble with fine motor skills in general, I wonder if I can still improve to begin with or if I'm going to die on this plateau.

>>6937336
Get out of your comfort zone. You're inevitably going to be kinda crap at something new and you've just got to push through it. The people who improve are the ones who aren't afraid to fail.

>draw portrait from life
>Think its somewhat accurate
>Look at it months later
>It just looks weird and not accurate at all
This keeps happening and its unsettling

F

>>6937112
What can you possibly learn from painting over a photo and picking colors from it? You're eliminating almost all fundamentals from the equation.

>>6937354
Why would growing in skill and being able to see mistakes that used to get past you be unsettling?

>>6936391
4 days since you were supposed to show off your figure drawing, still stuck at constructing torsos from reference

Draft

>>6937412
only thing sucking around here is your mother (my big long cock)
clown, dont @me

>>6937439
Still doing the same shit you were doing 3 weeks ago with no change
You're gonna be doing this forever and I'm gonna be right there with you, counting every day

i said dont @me, clown
also didnt read

>>6937214
My problem lies in that I am too shitty to fill it with anything worth a damn and too slow to make a dent on it with my meager daily time for practice.
>>6937254
>>good enough
>Kek. Just do it
t-thanks? I just don't want to shit up anons' requests and deny them being delivered by an actually skilled artist.

>>6937429
Post her with horsecock.

>>6937439
>>6937442
>>6937443
I opened beg for the first time in weeks and this is what I see. I'm crying

>>6937355
This is looking nice anon. Blog?,

>>6937451
clown thinks he is funny guy

>>6937442
>You're gonna be doing this forever and I'm gonna be right there with you, counting every day
>every day
fuckin hardcore

>>6937443
What is this, fucking reddit? Leave with your crybaby faggotry.

but its the clown whos crying and profiling
you @ed the wrong post, also dont @me

>>6937452
need better face somehow

>>6936546
>>6936552
>>6936599
thank you kindly anons

Who should I look to for learning gesture? I was messing around with a couple poses for an idea I have when I realized I ought to go practice some.

>>6937439
This looks cool
Is it some kind of Reiley method?

i usually ignore twitter art trends/challenges but this one was a lot of fun

Is it me or are Jeff Watts lectures quite useless for learning?Like, He never actually explains the logic behind Reilly rhythms or how to make properly, he just does them for himself. Other Watts Atelier teachers actually explain their process, which is nice.

>>6937578
I will never understand how he or Steve Huston are considered good teachers.

>>6937254
Moar?

>>6937346
>How do I do it?
>Just do it
I appreciate the thought tho

>>6936335
Thoughts on what I can improve here?

>>6937439
Oh wow those legs are beautiful. The whole thing is beautiful honestly, looks like the patterns you’d see in stained glass. Just ignore nodraw crabs and keep drawing

I lost my pencil sharpener so I tried sharpening my pencil with a knife...
holy shit it looks so much cooler now, like a chisel or something. gonna go out and draw with it now fuck yeah don't need to buy a sharpener

After a pretty cruddy day yesterday, and I was pretty sleep deprived today, I did a decent amount of sketching, though I am not too happy with the results.

I did some sketches based on Flight of the Navigator, but I struggled with getting the details and spacing right (I was not putting my references on the same monitor), and I couldn't quite avoid symbol drawing at times.

I also tried doing some figure drawings in perspective (the character is SavannahXYZ's sona, in case you are wondering), though I struggled with hands and arms quite a lot. Also being tired meant I didn't have it in me to really commit to what I was drawing which didn't help.

I am just kinda...lost I guess? I am gonna do a redraw of a bird study I did late september to see how I've grown since, but in regards to drawing people do I just have to draw real life figures next?

No wonder so many give up it's just so tricky to figure out what you gotta do next. At least my motor skills are way better now so I can more equipped to do these challenging things now.

I appreciate how helpful you guys are btw, even if some of the advice isn't terribly helpful or comes across as rude (not all the time and I am talking about really vague and douchey types), I'm glad I've gotten very far to the point I'm starting to become legit addicted to drawing, just still not at the point I feel I can draw whatever I want in my head...

>>6937448
>My problem lies in that I am too shitty to fill it with anything worth a damn and too slow to make a dent on it with my meager daily time for practice.
What? It’s just a big canvas where you do your studies on. I do it because it’s a big canvas so I can draw bigger detailed stuff if I want, and I can spam repetitions and iterations of a concept I’m trying to grasp. I can see previous attempts right there which helps in the iteration process cuz I can see what I’ve been doing. It also helps with doing studies cuz I can see more easily which drawings I’ve already copied and which drawings to move on to. I don’t fill a 4K x 4K canvas in a day lol. So when I come back to it later on, it makes picking it back up easier. And uh… also… um… because I’m too lazy to want to keep making new layers all the time.

Like… it’s a practice sheet. A thing in which you just draw to get mileage and practice. How could you be “not good enough” to do practice? There’s no such thing as “too bad to practice”; that’s just goofy. “Ah I’m too hungry to eat.” It’s not for display. It can look neat filled out, even with circles and lines, but there’s no need to post it if you don’t want to.
>I just don't want to shit up anons' requests and deny them being delivered by an actually skilled artist.
What? That’s not gonna demotivate other drawfags. That’s gonna inspire their competitive instincts to either one-up you, or just inspire them because they like the pose or design you did and wanna try their take on it. Like when everyone was coming up with Corona-chans on /pol/, or all the “draw this in your style” threads or whatever, there’s never any “one and done” thing. Actually a couple times when I’ve posted drawings and the ref I used a some other anons gave it a try. The only person whose art you’re at risk of stifling is your own. Don’t take it so seriously, anon. Just draw and have fun with your studies, fren

>>6936909
Thank you!! Moving the leg back (sorta) fixed the perspective issue and adding more on the shelves helped with scaling too.

>>6936906
How's it pedo? pippa is a fully grown rabbit woman.

>>6937382
Because its like it resets every time

>>6937711
Spiral staircase

I tried to make anime girl face

>>6937626
You said you draw too small and don't use your whole arm for making lines. What more do you need than to just do it? The only more handhold I can do is to meet up with you and literally hold your hand to move the pencil. If it helps I can also hold your dick while you piss and act like your fork is an airplane to make eating your veggies more fun. I

>>6936824
I think I’ll call it here
Would like to hear people’s thoughts

Still not drawing.
But go on, tell me how all of you being crabs somehow means I’m a troll.

I think i'm gonna make it

A collection of doodles.

>>6937907
embarrassing

>>6937533
I like villpoo

Need your guys' input.
I feel like I can effectively study something for like 4, 5 hours a day consistently at most. After that my mind is a blank. I spend most of that time studying for school and I'm left with 1 or 2 hours to study drawing at most.
Any input? How can I increase my study endurance, does exercise help?

>>6938009
I wrote three sentences and used the word 'most' three times. It's so over

>>6938009
Everybody's got their limit and in my experience it doesn't get better with time, but improving your mindfulness and concentration will make that time potentially much more effective.
That said, imo 4-5 hours of intense intellectual effort is a really good limit.

>>6938009
>>6938031
Also, if all else fails you can sacrifice your school study time, obviously, but idk if you can swing that.

>>6936713
>>6936715
Your values and overall rendering are quite epic, anon, I'm impressed by how well they read on the thumbnail but your faces need serious work

Can I get good at drawing if I get extremely angry 3 seconds into trying to do guidelines?

>>6938048
Trying to do what? Perspective lines?

>>6938048
you need some bob ross in your life before you get heart disease

What if any art related media do you guys like or recommend? Be it books about art (not things like fwap, ktd, anatomy etc), videos/youtube/ or whatever. I would like to kinda surround my self with more art related things.

>>6938084
Draftsmen podcast is great if you can stomach Proko's personality, he's not for everyone.
I also like Peter Draws on youtube, he's an extremely autistic dude who draws and talks about art/nonsense, also fountain pens if you're into that.

>>6937962
Indeed it is. One might expect that a general for beginners might encourage others, but you don’t.

help

>>6938164
More

>>6938164
moar blending. Make those blobules bleed into each other a lil

>>6938164
>>6938166
something else i painted a few months ago

>>6938168
thx. it was just a quick doodle so i didnt polish it too much

Feels a bit strange doing more sc-fi or fantasy art in traditional media when it seems so few do it in traditional media, most seem to have gone to digital. Almost feels like you're doing something wrong, but I try to tell myself that artists that exhibit stuff like squares of colours or random scribbles don't care and aren't afraid to be different. Albeit it seems all galleris cater to that sort of stuff, but still I shouldn't overthink what I paint, just paint. I just feel like there's no interest for paintings of robots or stuff like that. I guess with the internet there's a niche for everything, and everyone I've shown my stuff to has liked it, so what am I even worried about?

It doesn't matter anyway what I make, it'll all be gone one day, I should do what I like and enjoy and focus on getting better with that and if I want to make a bird one day, or a robot another then so be it.
I'm stuck in an overthinking procrastination loop.The longer it's been from a 'finished' work the more undue importance I put on the next.


What do guys you think?

>>6938164
You need to squint and compare swatches of color more. Look at the bottom right corner of the apple in the reference and yours. You've made the reflection it way too light.

>>6937920
now give them centerlines for volume and make those spheres

>>6938179
nice
damn I gotta do some painting exercises again it's been like a year

>>6938084
iptv channels:
classic arts showcase (public domain theater, arts, etc)
museumtv.art (general shows, interviews, expositions, )
tv art (international art, with background music,)

podcasts:
accessible art history
art history for all

the podcast are hit and miss mostly white women, I don't listen to them too much.

But this youtube channel is awesome: jill poyerd fine art, incredible stuff.

>>6937904
I picked the wrong version to redline but here's my take. the biggest problem was the far eye, you have to hide like half of it behind the nose bridge in this angle. personal opinion but you should try to make the eye a bit more simple so the viewer can read the expression better
also changed the mouth cause the planes were inverted in yours and the upper lip wasn't wrapping around the lower properly. I elongated the chin a bit too

I drew

Should I just make my paintings really big?

Seems like there's a demand for really big art and all kinds of crap goes for $20000 because its 6' x 4'

>>6938310
Hmm seems he’s kinda looking the wrong direction now but I’ll see about the rest of what you did.

Appreciate it

>>6936335
Does anyone ITT know the title of a how-to-draw book that included a chapter on drawing prehistoric cave art?

>>6936335
Constructive Criticism only please, these are the main characters of my manga. It may not appeal to your common conception of manga characters but I feel I have developed my own style. Thanks.

>>6938365
>I feel I have developed my own style.
You haven't, stop coping, work like you mean it.

>>6938365
Looks like the purple lady is kicking the balls of the guy in the middle due to lack of foreground / background separation.
Certainly a style.

>>6938368
>>6938370
You guys just dont get it, I use a construction framework which has allowed me to develop my signature manga style. As a seasoned artist that uses manga artstyle, I have already mastered fundies, yall just trapped in a cycle, chasing 'perfection'.

How can I go from left to right

How do I get such smooth and nice looking lines? When I try to do it my lines always look messy and smudgy

>>6938380
dial stabilization to 100

>>6938380
oh wow i posted this a few threads ago anon twinsies

>>6938375
Excellent copypasta, stealing that.

>>6938380
Signature stabilizer look. Don't rely on crutches, anon.

>>6938382
>>6938393
stabilizer on, she still mogs you

More morpho torso studies! And some gestures

>>6938382
>>6938393
>>6938402
Humans again getting cucked by machine crutches, when will it stop? Disaster for the human race.

Never finished this, nor the comic it was gonna be for

>>6938380
whos the artist?

I'm bad at drawing hands and feet and I don't know why I picked a reference where the characters hands and feet are front and center

>>6938380
>>6938382
>>6938393
Are stabilizers bad? What is so stabilizer about it?

redraw my art to be better for free plz :)
thnx

>>6938442
I would if I was capable of making improvements

How do I get good at coping? I just came up with this random exercise to get better at that, I'm planning on doing like 50 of these things, but would be open to any other advice. For reference my art currently looks like this (NSFBI) >>6937078

I always seem to post a little before the thread dies, working on this from last night

Sargent study

>>6938507

Your values are very off. Squinting helps you to see value better

should i go with the black lineart? i feel like the colored lineart blends too much, but the black one looks messy...

>>6938514
Left is better.

>>6938514
BLOG NOW.
Where to get good titty mangling references?

>>6938514
Try splitting the difference.

>>6938514
I like colored lines better but maybe a little bit darker. or maybe duplicate and blur them a little in overlay mode

>>6938520 yeah i was picking that too
>>6938550 i was actually using different colors depending on the shading/lighhting, i will try the blur thing next.
thank

Crit plz

>>6938579
feels like an uncomfortable pose not of someone in probably at his lowest moments, try to replicate that pose irl, maybe kneeling on his right knee will look feel better.

>>6938197
Check out Emma Rios and Artyom for trad fantasy and sci fi art. There's plenty of other artists but they are my favourite

>>6938329
:)

Is Drawing The Female Figure by Hayashi Hikaru a valid book if I want to draw hentai? What would you suggest?

>>6938507
What are you studying here? If you're not using the tools Sargent was, or an appropriate alternative, to figure out how he was using them you might as well have just done a portrait of any random headshot off of an image search.

>>6938579
what is this pose even

>>6938579
His center of balance is too far back so the pose looks wrong, like he's floating. If the idea is that he's supporting his weight on his sword the you need tension in his arms and upper body, it looks like he's casually resting his arms on the hilt.

i hate drawing clothes i hate drawing hair i hate drawing guns i hate drawing

>>6938514
work on your line weight with with the black lines. when it comes to using colored lines, the saturation and brithness adds in to the line weight. the outlines should be darker, and the inlines where volumes are less pronunced should be lighter.

your anatomy is very nice, but if you worked on the lineweight the quality of the drawing will improve greatly.

the reason the black lines look messy is because they are sketched, you didn't really do any line work

>>6938514
I love the way you draw the female figure. What artists did/do you study?

>>6938382
>>6938393
>>6938419
>>6938402
Go watch the process of artists you admire. I have, and almost all of them use stabilizer to some extent. If someone whos spent 4-8 years in art school and has the highest quality tablet money can buy is using it, im not going to limit myself for the sake of my honorabru dispray

>>6938772
k good to know

hows this look as a horror comic cover?

>>6938791
basedjak

>>6938201
Why do I feel like you're using ai as a reference?

Is the samsung s8+ the best tablet for drawing? I m thinking of getting one or is there a better one?

>>6937737
keep it up anon

fixed his feet a little bit. think I'm gonna start lining and coloring now

I felt very tired today, so I only did this. I did also do a torso practice thing but it didn't look great, just had to make sure I remember where certain details were.

I felt like I didn't need to draw an ellipse as much when constructing the cylinder, like I just needed to draw a half curve as I could feel the perspective/shape better from just the line alone now.

Stuff from today

>>6938791

>>6939024
Trying to improve my inking

Another week of copying random stuff from the internet

messy but its a casual draw

>>6939218
Ai photoshopped onto a piece of paper?

>>6939218
Arent you the same anon that made that dressup thread? Style and lining rings a bell.
Either way, can I have your blog? I love your stuff.

>>6939236
www.midjourney.com

loomis killed pawell... it's over

>>6939236
Prob AI. Dress up thread got deleted. Sneaky, sneaky!

>>6939277
Psyop, lies, not AI.

>>6939218
Isn't that my notebook

>>6939231
No
>>6939236
maybe <_<
>>6939282
yes, I digitally drew over notebook paper posted on here

friday ya'll

>>6939282
and by digitally drew over I mean, I stole your notebook, you're not getting it back

>>6939291
Happy friday also Nice Yeager too but the ending was hot garbage

>>6939277
Aw the dressup thread got deleted? bummer

P.S if you're reading this send me more photos of sketches on paper I wanna draw over your stuff

>>6939297
Thank you! Came to terms with the ending some year ago after reading the manga so it didn't hit me too hard, loved the music though.

>>6939289
Give me your blog then, dammit, I want to see your stuff

>>6939315
My usual stuff looks pretty different I think, I just try new things here anonymously lol even if you found me I don't think it'd be like what you're looking for, plus I haven't really updated it in years

AI made me stop drawing, it's just too easy for already established artists to use these drawings and edit them a little or paint over them to seem like their own original work, all of art is fake and gay and retarded now

>>6939024
>>6939028
Can I get some comments on these?

>>6939339
yes, looks like shit. Second, learn uploading smaller files with smaller resolution newfag.

Your angel has tumors as hands and feet, your sitting girls overlap at the pelvis looks weird , her ankles are way too high up on the left (from viewpoint) leg, and the right ankle is way too low, also draw bigger, way too small

>>6939336
It was always fake and gay retarded. I draw because the pain of drawing + the fact that I only draw coom shit is a unique kind of sadomasochist suffering I can't get from prompting, no one will ever be able to take my special masturbatory ritual away from me

>>6939335
Oh wow, let me ask another anon for blog which I'll never get. Jdimsa

>>6939355
you're a fetishist minority then, I mean I like drawing when I get into the flow, but starting it always brings these thoughts from my brain in front of me to make me not even attempt it anymore because my brain knows drawing costs a lot of mental energy

>>6939335
Google mike matessi force drawing, you need more curves in your figures, the goblin occupies way too little space while the space on the left with the dark background occupies way too much. Your figures right legs looks unatural for the pose you're trying to do, and overall your character looks bored and low energy while doing the action. Mike matessi. Look up the critique video he did on beg drawings like yours. Here I found it for you https://youtu.be/utSG71cwAYU

>>6939028
Pretty good inking, solid lines, could use a bit more 3d form and use of space to convey depth but it'll come with time and study

>>6939357
>not getting blogs
just use the penguin, why do you think we bothered putting all those MK ULTRA triggers in Loomis and all those books they keep using. It's not like they just download them and never even read anything.

YOU, ARTIST, POST YOUR BLOG.

>>6939379
My blog is ________

I’m not drawing today. Or tomorrow. Or ever again.

>>6936335
how hours of doing pic related until i can move onto drawing figures? 30 mins a day forever? 30 hours total? 100 hours total? I need to stop trying gesture for now and stick to lessons with more structure

What do you think?

I'm trying to get into drawing without tracing, it's harder but I feel like there's a lot of freedom it opens up.

>>6939028
whadya think? tried to drawover

>>6939421
looks good! I love the hands.

What do you think of my post right above yours?

>>6939410
Pose is stiff, hand placement is a bit unnatural, the stance should probably be wider, the proportions aren't all that appealing but that depends on what you want, you'll be way better after some mileage it'll take time to shake off the tracer habits but at least you'll have strong quality if not placement

I would recommend figure drawing or photo studies like picrel

is Figure Drawing for all its worth the book to grind after Fun with a pencil?

>>6939443
Yeah I took a reference pose and modified the hand placement, but I realize now that I kind of modified it weirdly.

So should I draw trying to copy poses more?

>>6939028
>>6939421

maybe try to ink with a bit more purpose?

>>6939470
Use loomis as building blocks/framework to draw what you see anon. I can tell that you're latching onto a few key details (like the shape of her nostril), but not actually using construction lines properly. Establish perspective by drawing the eyeline and orienting the angle of the face properly. For self-feedback to help yourself improve faster, trace your own redline over the reference image and make sure to take note of these key landmarks. You do not yet understand Loomis (construction) enough. You will get there eventually anon, don't give up.

Also, don't even try to render yet until you have some grasp on form. It's just wasting time at this point.

what's different in this character proportions from the realistic human body proportions? i feel like theyre different, but i can't pinpoint where. the chest looks too large compared to the abdomen, big hands too and maybe legs?

>>6939602
overlay photo of human

I'm so tired to suck

>>6939602
I think it's the forearms, they are too long (at least more than it would be in a normal human), the proportions are usually 1:1, but this one seems like 1:1.4

Whats a good simple brush to sketch in CSP?

>>6939646
I kinda like the chalk one but I adjusted the default settings

>>6939646
whatever works for your process

>>6939346
Thank you

i like big boobs

how to fix?

I want to learn how to ink like comics pros do, although I also enjoy when Japan does it but they also uses screen tones or gray. My goal is only using pure black that I can replicate on paper with a cheap pen for the inking at least.
Been trying to ink this piece, redoing it because I didn't like it how heavy and unorganized where the lines. Any recommendations anons? Because I have not fucking idea what to do except a little hatching.

>>6939891
Old

>>6939878
idk I like your drawings man, she's cute. what do you want to fix?

>>6939891
>>6939893
New in progress

I know nothing about inking but I dislike what happens with these black a lot. I think You need to be more careful and less random with these solids while you do not know what are you doing

>>6939904
Thanks anon, I also felt like it ended up feeling aimless.

>>6937260
Same thing but with hard round brush

I study a lot of kairunoburogu's older works to get an idea of what forms / shapes are most effective.

>>6939914
aHR0cHM6Ly9waXhlbGRyYWluLmNvbS91L1BBYlNDNkpR

The photoshop file too

>>6939891
I like your skills, but you have shit taste

>>6939443
So I've tried my hand at figure drawing, how's it look? Where can I improve?

>>6937364
I use an underdrawing that was traced yes, if you're talking about the level of color accuracy, that's from training my eye hundreds of hours. I wouldn't be the first human being that's achieved that, either. Jarod Erwin, Senior Concept Artist at Microsoft, recommends using an underdrawing as well

Here's my photoshop file that shows the individual layers of work - if you step through each one, you can see how each layer of color is based off of the previous one, thus, picking the next color is a matter of comparing what you already have on the canvas, to the reference, and then making a mark, and then checking if it's right (in other words, how I pick colors is extremely hierarchical and controlled, but I do not pick the colors using the eyedropper tool)

aHR0cHM6Ly9waXhlbGRyYWluLmNvbS91L3ZmY2hwTEdS

Perhaps using the Coolorus color wheel is "cheating" though, because it is quite easy to match the HSV of something using it

The beginning stage of the portrait has about five main colors that you use to sculpt out the largest possible blocks of form which will still describe the human skull (i.e. it still looks like a face when zooming out), if even that few colors is something that causes people to believe that I am colorpicking, then the old masters must have been interdimensional beings that came from the andromeda galaxy

>>6937364
My skill level would be less than a billionth of the old masters, and even then I get accused of cheating

Wouldn't somebody like Eric Barone (Stardew Valley creator who regularly worked 10-hour-days), who has spent thousands of hours just staring at pixels all day, also be able to guess with high precision, the RGB value of any given pixel?

And in my case I don't even have to subdivide to that tiny level of precision, if I get the average color right of a very large block of the form (which is very easy because you are not guessing the color of a single pixel) , then that's already more than enough to get the color looking correct, because you don't block in the gradient immediately, you start out with very large planes, and that's never more than three or four main values/colors in the beginning stage of a still life or portrait (at least in my workflow anyways)

>>6939988
I really hope you genuinely expect me to believe you, that'd make this whole thing 100 times funnier.

>>6939990
One more thing, this is how I actually start my portraits: with only two colors, although I had already merged that layer in the Photoshop file, I can show you a more detailed demonstration if you want further information on painting

>>6939991
If you ignore the gradients in this still life (by squinting your eyes, which automatically groups all the values / colors into one block), you can break the colors down to three, or even just two - even you could just literally drag the sliders around until the color-indicator looked like it would somewhat remotely match what's in the reference (unless somebody is blind or color-blind, anybody can practice color matching)

>ass

>>6939540
really like your style anon

>>6939477
Like this?

>>6939943
Why

>drawing a face
>decide to erase mouth while I work on the eyes and nose
>now want mouth back but already made changes to eyes and nose I want to keep
>if I undo the changes to the eyes and nose will be gone
>can't make a duplicate layer with new eyes because it will also be undo'd in the process
urrrggggggh

>>6940115
Copy them to the new file, duh

Autism question incoming, what do you see in your imagination before/when you're drawing and do you envision the exact line/stroke before putting it down?(not the anphantasia meme) Up until now, when imagination drawing the image i'd see would be a vague, abstract, impression of some "fuller scene" that only serves to capture the general idea/feeling but with no fine detail or clear edges, like squinting through a window smeared in a heavy layer of vaseline, and no amount of focusing would clear it up. But now, in trying to be more deliberate with each stroke, i've be trying to more precisely envision the exact lines and strokes before putting them down and it's actually done wonders for making what i draw more accurate to what im imagining even to the point of making my 3d forms more better and more "3d". But it's also like insanely difficult and taxing and i don't know if that's just because it's like unused atrophied muscle that with time will get easier to flex or if im just spiralling down an autism hole that not even pros bother with.

>>6936758
I'd recognize those portraits anywhere. You're copying @inoitoh. Part of the appeal of his sketches are the very tight composition. In a wide shot with lower resolution they lose the flare.

Reilly is king

hOW TO DRAW AN APPEALING FEMALE PELVIS?

I can't figure out how to connect head to neck in from bottom view.

>>6940167
loomis the hack doesnt teach you that, youre gonna need the Reilly method

Do you guys always start with an Idea in your head or do you just draw a few lines or a tit and it ends up being a sketch of something cool of something you didn't even have in mind?

>>6936335
I can't do it.
I have images in my head that I cannot put down to paper that look nearly as well done as they do in my head. Even AI can only show me a square peg.
How do you /beg/inners and /int/ermediates do it? How do you actually draw? I can "just draw" a stick figure or a box or a shitty "how to draw anime" figure all day and night, but what processes are you supposed to use to get into the habit of drawing as something to do instead of, say, shitposting on /ic/ about not understanding drawing at all? What did you actually start with? I'm well past alphas and zoomers so I don't have the freedom you guys do.

I find it really difficult to put thought and effort in what I draw and not just autopilot

>>6940285
>"just draw"
just draw is a meme. you need the Reilly method.

>>6940317
What's that?

I don't understand translating these planes from cubes into 3D

>>6939846
and I like small boobs

>>6940480

>be me
>total giga-/beg/
>zero confidence
Its okay. I still have time, I can become a good lawyer and make my family proud

>>6940513
new
>>6940513

>>6940513