/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6937734
INFP, ISFP > INFJ, ISFJ. The least artistic type is ESTJ (the karen type).

>>6937734
What are these and why should I give it a second of thought? looks like woo

>>6937748
You answer a questionnaire, get placed in a group with similar personality traits, then you can jerk each other off and shit on the other groups as you see fit.

>>6937769
I don't believe in personality traits.

>>6937734
NGMI

>>6937748
Astrology for dumb people pretending to be smart

>>6937774
You think all people are the same? What a retarded belief.

>>6937747
As an INTP:
>I>E
>N=S
>F>T
>P=J
What I would assume. I wouldn't say it makes you a better artist though, just more naturally inclined to pursue art, or more comfortable in that realm
>>6937748
it's actually really useful for interpersonal relations as long as you take it for what it is and not something divine, or even scientific

>>6937784
>>N=S
(X) Doubt

>>6937781
I was lying. that's one of my personality traits, a liar.

>>6937780
>astrology
Nah. I've done this test several times and I always lend on the same result which fits me pretty well (not 100% accurate though). Other personalities don't fit me at all.
On the contrary, every astrology sign can fit me well, so that's pretty dumb and useless.

>>6937748
Pseudoscience tests that caught on with idiots and survives thanks to new idiots born every day.

>>6937748
basically horoscope tier shit for autistic niggas
ignore it and move on

INTJ because I say so

>>6937800
>basically horoscope tier shit for autistic niggas
ignore it and move on

You're wrong.
>The MBTI was constructed by two Americans: Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter Isabel Briggs Myers, who were inspired by the book Psychological Types by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung.[8] Isabel Myers was particularly fascinated by the concept of introversion and she typed herself as an "INFP". However, she felt the book was too complex for the general public, and therefore she tried to organize the Jungian cognitive functions to make it more accessible

Meyers briggs is based on Jungian concepts which are based on tarot, which are based on hebrew letter mysticism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Arcana
Horoscopes are based on astrology, a far more pseudopscience than actual psychology.

Pic unrelated but could make a good study or something.

>>6937873
What exactly is pseudoscientific about putting people who attest to introversion in an introvert group and people who attest to extroversion into an extrovert group?

>>6937734
I don't see LSD or DMT anywhere on this list.

>>6937873
https://www.ipersonic.com/test.html


I'm not a shill for this company but its a free test that you can optionally go further and pay for (i dont know why anyone would but hey)
this is the fastest 4 question test for meyers btw briggs btw but they use some weird name instead of INTP or shit so some quick googling will elucidate the briggs eqivalent.

https://www.ipersonic.com/personality-types.html

Our free personality test is extrapolated from a typology which was originally developed by the psychoanalyst Carl Gustaf Jung and later differentiated by Isabel Meyers and Katherine Briggs. This typology is based on different temperaments and attitudes respectively that are widely held to be hereditary. They take influence on our perceptions, thought process, feelings and behavior. This typology is based on four opposite pairs of personality dimensions. These are:

The Energy Dimension: Extraversion versus Introversion
The Information Dimension: Sensing versus Intuition
The Decision Dimension: Thinking versus Feeling
The Action Dimension: Perceiving versus Judging

The Idealists
The Dreamy Idealist
The Spontaneous Idealist
The Harmony-seeking Idealist
The Engaged Idealist
The Thinkers
The Analytical Thinker
The Independent Thinker
The Dynamic Thinker
The Groundbreaking Thinker
The Realists
The Reliable Realist
The Good-natured Realist
The Determined Realist
The Social Realist
The Doers
The Sensitive Doer
The Laid-back Doer
The Energetic Doer
The Individualistic Doer

Of course, these are relatively basic categories which - just like all attempts to categorize – in the end of the day cannot reflect us human beings in our great individuality. These dimensions merely capture preferences, i.e. the manner in which we mostly prefer to deal with the world. In certain situations, however, it is entirely possible that we behave totally contradictorily.

>>6937873
Psychology is not a science either. Not as bad as horoscopes of course, but often not far off(gender)

>>6937884
>The Idealists
>The Dreamy Idealist
>The Spontaneous Idealist
>The Harmony-seeking Idealist
>The Engaged Idealist
>The Thinkers
>The Analytical Thinker
>The Independent Thinker
>The Dynamic Thinker
>The Groundbreaking Thinker
>The Realists
>The Reliable Realist
>The Good-natured Realist
>The Determined Realist
>The Social Realist
>The Doers
>The Sensitive Doer
>The Laid-back Doer
>The Energetic Doer
>The Individualistic Doer
All literally me depending on my energy levels and proximity to other people.

>>6937882
>>6937884

>What exactly is pseudoscientific about putting people who attest to introversion in an introvert group and people who attest to extroversion into an extrovert group?

I think we are on the same side, there is nothing psuedoscientific about it, psychoogy is rooted in science. Astrology is not.

>so mine is Dreamy Idealist or INFP

The answer on the site says it best:
>To a certain degree in the end all of us are “mixtures” of the 16 personality types – for instance, hardly anyone is a pure “Dreamy Idealist” or “Analytical Thinker”. Therefore, don’t overrate the test results – on the other hand they can indeed point to certain propensities and can be helpful in a variety of ways.

>>6937889

Thats a fair assessment, I'm similar to you honestly. It depends also on what social masks and social level of openness I am with the person I'm talking to, (you) and I are on level 2, and I'll explain those levels in my next post.

The point of the test is more so which are you more inclined to lean on a regular basis.

Though I am both extroverted and introverted and yes depending on what people are present, what social mask I am wearing, I tend to lean towards Introversion to recharge my energy levels by staying home instead of going out, (I need a lot of time alone.) Intuition is terms of how I decide to act on problems,(When making decisions, I mostly let myself be guided by my intuition.) Feeling and respecting other feelings in priority to acting on Thinking, (I tend to concentrate more on the positive sides of a person and do not find weaknesses to be so bad.) and Perceiving (I have no idea what will be going on next weekend - but something will certainly turn up.
I have a terrible habit of putting things off - especially unpleasant things.)

>>6937914

SOCIAL MASK LEVELS™PENDING LEVELS 1-5

Level 1: Hows the weather? How are you? Social American English or My native tongue of Russian, but more or less exchanging pleasantries. The level most people operate when meeting a new person or not disclosing any vital incriminating
info.
Level 2: Some information is revealed, but ultimately still anonymous, Me and >>6937889
are currently on this level. Anon has expressed anon "All literally me depending on my energy levels and proximity to other people." which opens up the conversation further, prompting this post: >>6937914
Ultimately, because 4chan focuses on social interest/hobbies/ ARTWORK/CRITIQUE /ic/ to name one, the thread at hand has a clear (intended) focus, we are discussing THE OP SUBJECT >>6937734 OF MBTI and "Which letters will make you good at art and which letters will make you suck at art"

or "WHAT MEYERS BRIGGS OR MBTI PERSONALITY TYPES PREVAIL AT /ic/'s (COLLECTIVE BUT NOT UNIANIMOUSLY AGREED UPON DEFINITION OF GOOD ART)

Levels 3-5 will be expanded on the next post.

Level 3: I have disclosed my identity and or incriminating info while my (lets say opposing party but we are not at odds necessarily we are simply discussing should things stay civil) has not.

I am currently at level 3 of openness, because 4chan is no longer purged of threads like it used to be in the good ol' 2016 days. If you post with a name, with some searching, you can find my old threads and posts through ic databases with some searching.

>>6937889
>>6937882
and
>>6937886

have all chosen to remain anonymous, while expressing their opinions without any disclosure to their identies, at least at the non dark web level. I'm sure the 4chan administrators and mods and perhaps janitors if im not mistaken can find the IP should the law neccesitate it, but they do so at their own discretion because what makes 4chan GREAT, and not /pol/ MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN mentality is thus, you are ANONYMOUS. and thus operating at level 2. I am currently at 3.

I have subconsciously shifted this into >>6937919
ONLINE SOCIAL MASK LEVELS™PENDING LEVELS 1-5

LEVEL 1 is to be assumed as "Both parties are anonymous but ultimately just exchanging pleasantries without any disclosure of personal information"
==
LEVEL 3 OR LOWER / ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD / 4CHAN TRIPFAGGOTRY ENDS HERE
===
Level 4: Facebook level
The person you are communicating with MAY OR MAY NOT BE the person attached to the online info provided which may or may not include, real name, picture of person (assuming legally) attached to real name

You never know if the person you care talking to on facebook is the actual person, we just trust they are based on how they talk, but remember, fake accounts do exist and may operate under the guise of said person.

At this point the subject at hand has no bearing, you are assuming you are talking to an actual person attached to said real name and vice versa.
you can talk about the weather, or art, or whatever you please, but the scenarios are thus:

LEVEL 4 PERSON A IS TALKING TO LEVEL 4 PERSON B AND NOBODY IS MASQUERADING UNDER FALSE PREMISES , FALSE NAMES, JOKE NAMES.

A(Lucinda Mcgulicuty): hows the weather Luigi?
B(Luigi Sandusky) : Its cloudy Lucinda!

For arguments sake, Both luigi and Lucinda are the actual person the claim online to be in this scenario.

>>6937734
The best thing about this thread is that I read none of it and used that time to draw instead.

FINAL Level 5: "Exchange of sensitive information" amongst parties

I will illustrate a scenario for Level 5.

Level 5 means one person, who they claim to be online, is giving another party sensitive information, of their own free will.

That does not mean the other person has to be who they say they are, for example, in a negative scenario, sometimes the other person is claiming to be another person, so they are actually on level 4, but claim to be level 5 (Yeah of course, I'm luigi, Ill send you some nudes (of luigi, which means said nudes may be stolen from luigi) and you send me yours! Lucinda sends her nudes of her own free will, but does not know luigi is not who he says he is, but instead is a hacker who has acquired nudes of luigi with the presumed intention of acquiring Lucindas nudes which (the fake luigi) may or may not use for blackmail or revenge porn crimes. Anything that follows, legal action is to be handled by the proper authorities. Lucinda is operating at 5 while Luigi is pretending to be 5 but is actually 4.

Thats all folks, From anonymously exchaning pleasantries on an imageboard, to giving out your nudes to someone who says they are the person they are, I'm Boxman, or at least I claim to be.

Back to your regularly scheduled (OP) thread already in progress.

>>6937796
I didn't and got 3 different ones, all applied to an extent.
This isn't science and googling it for 2min would tell you that. It's horoscope for people who think they are too good for horoscope

>>6937873
I bet you watch shitty mbti meme videos and go "YEAH THAT'S LIKE TOTALLY ME HAHA"

>>6937734
Is this the zodiac for autistic men?

>>6938007
>I didn't and got 3 different ones
How can you get 3 different results when you answer the same questions? Are you really answering thruthfully or do you live in your own reality?

>>6938677
Or maybe just MAYBE more than one answer applies, idiot
Half of the questions are online quizz tier and don't cover anything more complicated than a paper cutout of an archetype

Next, I told you to google it. The creators themselves don't consider online quizzes viable and only THEIR (no other doctors) paid version is "legit". And finally nobody else in the field agrees with their test because it's shallow and doesn't account for culture nor upbringing, and the average human being is far more complex and a retarded quizz can possibly even contain.

Enjoy your horoscope but don't pretend it's anything more or that your any better than the healing crystal girlies

>>6938685
Damn, you sound pretty mad. The MBTI worked for me despite having its limits, however the horoscope never worked for anybody.
Maybe you don't answer truthfully, idk.

>>6937734
IXFPs are typically the most artsy types and ENXPs are the most creative.
I guess it depends on the type of art.
>>6938685
It's best to learn yourself or if you know anyone who is really into it, ask them yourself what they read you as
If you did 16personalities, that website is notorious for being inaccurate and having a bias towards intuitive types(XNXX). Sakinorva and keys2cognition are the most accurate tests in my experience and can give you an idea of what you are.
Ultimately it shouldn't be taken too serious in this case because of stereotypes. Just a fun way to understand yourself and others better.
>>6937961
are you mentally well

>>6938722
What's the difference between "artsy" and "creative"?
What I'm curious about is why everyone says F is superior to T. Shouldn't T be better at problem solving?

>>6938700
many people claim horoscope works for them, your not different bro

>>6938722
>If you did 16personalities, that website is notorious for being inaccurate and having a bias towards intuitive types(XNXX). Sakinorva and keys2cognition are the most accurate tests in my experience and can give you an idea of what you are.
>Ultimately it shouldn't be taken too serious in this case because of stereotypes. Just a fun way to understand yourself and others better.

Whats the point of this if randos who have no expertise can interpret results, and again, the people who invented this claim only they and nobody else can accurately interpret results.
How is that not super sketchy to ya'll?
Sure you can take it as fun, dumb shit and to "better understand yourself" but what I'm saying is that's LITERALLY horoscope and the exact same arguments astrology girlies have. I'm tired of people pretending this somehow has any more merit than the healing properties of rose quartz or whatever

>>6938786
Yet again ENFP/INFP and some random 3rd option that changes

Same as 16personalities who kept swapping between the two every time I did it

Mbti, one of my favorite subjects
>>6937780
>>6938121
>>6938786
>>6938685
Look at all these little midwits unable to comprehend the genius of mbti.
>a quick little google search blah blah blah
AHAHAHA, faggot that appeals to the authority of a google search out of all places instead of actually reading what it’s about. You’re a faggot who probably got ISFP or ISTP as its test result because you reek of lower Ne and lower intelligence as well.
>>6937734
It depends what art form each personality type uses, it’s probably like this:
INTP: Good at autistic shit like pixel art, manga, furry shit, porn, hardcore audio engineering, porn art, etc
ENTP: Good at pretentious art, can have the technical skill to be good, like how picasso or Salvador Dali was
ISFJ: Good at landscape art or generic artsy craft stuff. Not really good on a technical level unless they apply themselves. Mostly just Pinterest type art.
ESFJ: Insta/Pinterest level of drawing at best. Cannot produce more sophisticated stuff
INFJ: Can become great in just about any art form, more suited towards impressionistic type art where a subject is hardly the focus
ENFJ: Not suited to art at all. Singing and acting is their best attribute
ISTP: Autistic like INTP, but lesser in creativity subjects. Will just have one main area of being good at, and their art will tend to be really sterile in its making, very technically good, just kinda boring.
ESTP: Not suited well to art. Will probably be a subject photographer with models and other shit at most. Only really good at shit like acting or unsophisticated modern music.
INFP: Hyper autistic in just about every aspect like INTP. If they have talent, they can be very good in all art forms. Their downfall is that they just cannot apply themselves and they fail to notice technical shit and rely solely on how they feel that given day. Most of them are deviantart tier artists.

>>6939986
Part 2:
ENFP: Good at art overall just from existing. Cutesy art focused. Although their downfall is that they’ll never quite make it because they just cannot overcome becoming excellent at something.
ISTJ: Soulless overall. Very technical minded, best suited to replicating artworks and the such. They are very good technically speaking, they just lack creativity and soul very severely, even more so than ISTP.
ESTJ: Just not suited to visual art at all, theyre shit at it. And if they are, they would be the staunch traditionalists who micromanage each and every part of the creative process as an objective measure of doing things. Their art is sterile and lacking in soul, just as their music. Better at becoming conservatory musicians.
INTJ: Too rare to tell, actual INTJs are the rarest personality to see in someone. Probably just decent and more technically gifted than INFJs, art would be pretty similar to an INFJ in their style with more intentional sophistication.
ENTJ: Not suited to any art form at all. Too technical minded and sterile in their art. Probably just architecture, that’s pretty much it.
ISFP: Great in pretty much all art forms. Just that there’s not much sophistication. ISFP is too common so it’s hard to tell really. Almost all popular modern musicians and artists are this type as are most of the stuff you see in social media
ESFP: Just like ISFP, but lesser in artistic capability. Mediocre in all standards that matter. Very popular amongst modern pop musicians

>>6940002
>Felt the need to un-greentext what you just wrote
'Tism. Thanks for the list though, these are always fun

>>6939986
Are all IN~ autistic? is autistic losing it's meaning?

>>6940052
The only really autistic types in mbti are INTP, INFP and ISTP mainly. INFJ is level headed and so is INTJ.

>>6937882
>What exactly is pseudoscientific about putting people who attest to introversion in an introvert group and people who attest to extroversion into an extrovert group?
Post-hoc explanations that don't amount to much more than a new label for something aren't science, that's what's pseudo-scientific about it.

>>6940070
>muh science
Bet you’re one of those fags that are like “le big 5 is the only good personality exam” because your ncbi nature com circlejerkers told you it was the only one. Sciencism fags are so annoying and ignorant.

>>6940072
Well then you're wrong and you lost a bet. Do you think maybe drawing a bit would be a better use of your time than histrionically begging for replies on an online forum?

>>6940075
Speak for yourself

>>6939986
I want you to know I got estp on your gay test and I’m “suited” well enough to art wtf

>>6939986
you were wrong on multiple accounts about my supposed personalities, as in the complete opposite is true. WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S EXACTLY LIKE FUCKING HOROSCOPE AND YOUR INVENTING A REALITY BASED ON ARBITRARY LABELS BECAUSE IT SIMPLIFIES LIFE THAT'S WAY TOO COMPLEX AND SCARY FOR YOU

If your good looking theres astrology girlies out there dying to ride your nonsense dick

>>6940227
You’re not ESTP just from you being here in 4chan and typing this faggy. Actually learn the grant functions and what they do, most tests are not good. There was one that is pretty good that took in mind when you were giving delusional answers, looked like the Sakinorva test but I forgot what it was called.
>>6940245
>another fag who doesn’t know functions and takes mbti knowledge from Pinterest

>>6940245
>>6940248
Also, personalities? It’s only one personality per person. Learn fucking functions and stacking, I bet you are just googling dumbass shit and just taking in the first result which is 16p

>>6940249
>>6938814
all sites I did can't agree which I am so yes exactly, cuz it's a fucking quizz and big talk accusing others of doing the quizzes "wrong" when they aren't legitimate to begin with

fuck off, you got it wrong and mbti is horoscope

Salutations malefactors! My letters are INTP and I'm pretty good at art, so you should just try to be like me, okay? Thanks and have fun!

faggot thread

>>6940248
You’re such a fucking idiot anon, I took one of these tests in paper for business school and got the same results. I have always tested ESTP because I “am” one. You can whine about it all you want but your gay ass test told me it’s true! Why can’t an “extrovert” use the internet now?

>>6940258
Mbti and grant stacking isn’t a fucking quiz, retard, that’s the whole point. It’s a system which has all the information to tell you what cognitive functions based on jungian functions. If a third party makes a shitty quiz, it just means they made a shitty quiz. Would you judge the taste of an apple without having eaten it based on a song made for it? No? Good then it means you’re not fully retarded.
>>6940272
Sigh, another dumbass nigga taking a fucking quiz without knowing what its actually about, lmao

>>6940273
No rebuttal because you’re retarded, got it.

>>6940275
The rebuttal is the other reply, read above. So much for Se dominant when you’re this unaware

>>6940276
>whining
>more baseless whining
Yeah, okay.

>>6939986
IN/STP here.
I'm NGMI. Your assessment is wrong.

>>6940294
INFP here. Made it. Maybe we are the exceptions that prove the rule.

>>6940294
MBTI was designed by a woman, of course the assessment is wrong

>>6937734
It's less about the letters individually but the cognitive functions tied to the letters. For example INFPs and ENFPs have the same cognitive functions but in a different order, and both types are very art-inclined (though organizational shit and follow through will suffer). INFJs despite being one letter off from INFPs have a completely different set of cognitive functions and made very different artists. Would be better suited as writers, actually.

>>6937747
fpbp, though I would add INTP to that. They are more disposed than INFP and ISFP to grind the fundies and actually git gud even if their art may lack a bit of sovl that an INFP or ISFP's might have.

>>6937734
>INTJ
intj here,i did it once in college over 10y ago, just redid the test, guess it stays the same over the years.
i believe actual drawing mileage, with purpose, will do more for you than trying to game/hack the system.
and i draw for fun and it keeps me away from videogames for a while.

>>6937884
Nigger why share this dogshit version of the test that obscures the labels that 99% of people use?

What is the point? Fuck you.

INTJ here.
Generally, "test your personality!!" websites will say INTJs are not suited for art and should focus on more intellectual pursuits, but truth is there is no greater intellectual pursuit than worldbuilding.
Creating is like crack, an endless puzzle where no matter how much you learn about the world, you can still turn a few more rocks on the subject to better flesh out your ideas.

Technically speaking, grinding one's skills is very hard. Because of the logical nature of an INTJ, the more abstract, "feeling-based" aspects of art eludes your for a long time before they click.

Paralysis by analysis is my middle name, and while I could learn programming or a language or how to make a chair by myself, art isn't an exact science and has me always second-guessing.
It makes me feel like an INTP, except for the fact that INTPs are actually the opposite, daily procrastinators who can go HAM when creating. Their impetus and creative diarrhea is inspiring. ENTPs are even more inspiring, although their art tends to be too pandering.
But the fact that they can Just Draw (tm) and enjoy the whole process without being bogged down by the technical intricacies not being perfect yet is what I try to aim for when drawing myself.

Overall, I can only lament every day for not having an INFJ gf to bounce ideas off with.
Or perhaps an ISTJ gf to boss me around so I will actually practice instead of reinventing the universe just to bake a pie.
Or perhaps a loving ENFP gf to take care of everything that isn't work or art in my life so I can focus on my projects.

Maybe I just need to smash my computer. That'd do it.

>>6939986
>>6940002
Nice analysis, anon, I know a few artist that have these types and they pretty much match your description.

I'm not gonna read all the mumbo jumbo shit. I just wanna know if I can make it as an INFP. I write and draw.

>>6941496
yeah >>6940299
I program and draw

>>6941500
Give me hope then, pyw

>>6941496
>I just wanna know if I can make it as an INFP.
Yeah, you just have to double down on discipline. As an INFP I find the most difficult thing is efficiency, getting out of the realm of ideas and developing the skills & processes to get work done. You have to be a drill sergeant with yourself.
I do believe some of the more meaningful artists & writers in history, people like William Blake and William Faulkner, were likely INFPs.

>>6941532
>>/ic/thread/6905106#p6905664
be quick I might delete later.

>>6937734
I couldn't say one way or another if this kind of thing makes a difference to artists, I think artistic motivation might be fundamentally separate so if it does have any effect it would only be in the expression of it.

What I will say though is it's a really good tool for building characters and rounding them out. I've used the quizzes to answer the way I imagine a character would and then used the typing results to expand or shave off certain qualities. It can really help to nail down core traits and behaviours.

You don't have to follow it to the letter or anything like that, but it's helpful.