/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6933532
picrel

>>6933537
the mockup is worse, and honestly the AI only added the background and the gay out of place dinosaur.

>>6933532
Oh, so it has begun. The 5 new AI threads.

Shad, Jazza draws better than you!

do you think shad will ever know how bad this looks?

>>6933549
I was better than Shad before I even started.
>pyw
You first

>>6933532
>scroll down through 8 paragraphs of self hype
>>6933534
>see the final picture
lmaoing
was it autism?

>>6933563
>was it autism?
no, he's not worthy of the title. just plain retardation.

>I AM A PRO ARTIST, BEAR WITNESS!

>>6933532
What kind of person writes a goddamn novel when he posts art on fucking twitter?

>>6933566
I-I kneel!

>>6933566
>now watch, this is permaprebeg
>AND THIS… IS TO GO.. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

>>6933534
>>6933532
lmao. Pic not related? I think we’re safe, bros.

Didn't we have this same exact thread yesterday with everything said that was to be said?

Am I going insane?

>>6933532
>>6933534
It's over... AI is so good...

>want to be creative with AI
AI bros...

>>6933594
>GPUlet can't run SD locally
LOL!

>>6933603
SD is the retarded and shit and gay stuff that looks like your grandma's bile

>>6933604
Not really if you know what models and loras to use. The only thing low resolution DALL-E 3 shit got over it is better natural language prompt understanding because of GPT.

>>6933608
>The only thing low resolution DALL-E 3 shit got over it is letting you make something other girls standing around doing nothing

>>6933615
So can current SD models. It's all going to look like ass without manual cleanup no matter the model right now anyway.

>>6933532
Still my favorite shitpost on this topic rn

>>6933641
ias

>>6933608
>Dudes, art is finally democratised!
>No, don't use the corporate AIs!
>All you need to do is run SD locally
>and ensure you have the graphics card to powerful enough for it
>and learn which loras to use, and learn what a fucking lora is
>and learn which jumble of words to use
>or use controlnet AND which jumble of words if want greater control.
Thanks to the AI fags, I hate now hate democracy and have become a fascist.

AI could never make picrel

>>6933594
wow copycat much? I'll sue you!

>>6933532
I think he is genuinely autistic and we should not be bullying him.
That's how Chris Chans are made.
But otoh this is reckless faggotry of the Chris Chan type.

>>6933652
>and ensure you have the graphics card to powerful enough for it
You don't got a GPU with 4gb vram?
>and learn which loras to use, and learn what a fucking lora is
I thought you drawfags were all about learning
>and learn which jumble of words to use
I though that's so easy anyone can do it?
>or use controlnet AND which jumble of words if want greater control.
See loras.

What you're telling me AI right now isn't just prompting PEE PEE poo poo and get amazing art?

>>6933563
He í Christchan but Rightwing

>>6933566
What really does it for me is how fucking hard you can see he's been gripping his pencil drawing that shit lmfao

>>6933712
he makes that expression while he draws, it pains him.

>>6933652
This honestly sounds like those cryptofags lmao
>No you cant let the guhment oversees your coins!
>No! banks are the enemy!
>Lol faggot why you think some exchange is gonna help you? Not your wallet, not your coins!
>Not your keys! Not your keys!

Tho Im somewhat willing to experiment with controlnet on my own artworks run locally to see if it could transform them into something usable.

>>6933674
Bitch poojeet, you got owned fucking hard in the last Shad thread so now you're coming in here for some more? What are you, a masochist?

>>6933571
AAAAAAAAAAA, AAAAAAAAAA, AAAAAAAAAAAAA

SUPER PRE BEG 3

>other thread reached bump limit
>op makes the same thread again
>look at the silly ecelebrity trying to farm clout
>>6933537
>wow ai haters are so low iq
that guy forgot his trip

>>6933657
proompters wouldn't understand what strong is beautiful means

>>6933534
Lmao what the fuck is going on with her pose and expression?
How is that man capable of posting that shit without feeling embarassed about it?

>>6933534
Shad! What the fuck were you thinking!

>>6933847
That artist is an expert on HEMA and fantasy swordplay, you larping troglodyte, that is an authentic swordsmanship technique.

>>6933532
>>6933534
>>6933847
>>6933850
What if he is taking the piss and he is trolling us.

>making the best and most complex and specific AI art requires artistic ability
>a more talented artist could do better
This guy is so fucking blackpilled.
In the past he's alluded to his "talent" and talent generally in a specific way that suggests he believes artistry is simply inborn and unchangeable, not something one can practice and grow at. I'm not even saying he's exactly fully wrong, but it's almost amusing how little faith he has in himself.
He's totally and irreversibly thrown in the towel, yielded in favor of the less competitive arena, the smaller pond (in his mind) of AI art. On his Twitter he once publicly fantasized about a fantastic inversion of the Natural Order, a new world where the snooty Artists get their comeuppance, and he and his brethren, having a head start in the AI revolution take the throne.

What he doesn't seem to realize is that were his New Order to be brought about, and artists were compelled to learn AI, his statement about the the talented would hold true, and he wouldn't like it, because he'd be right back at the bottom. It's simply EASIER to learn AI than it is to learn to draw and paint, a truth he tacitly concedes all the time. Artists could seamlessly incorporate AI into their process if they felt like it, but he can't do the reverse.
Shad desperately wants to be at the top of the pecking order, but he doesn't want to put in the real effort to climb to the top with his raw bloodied fingers. So he larps, simulates the appearance of hard work instead - much easier. He's forever doomed to mediocrity in all his pursuits because he's passionate about nothing outside of himself. Truly, what a torturous way to be!

>>6933532
>prompting takes effort and is real art
some 12 year old retarded fortnite kid down the block can spend a few days learning to prompt and make something on the level of a pro, that's how much it doesn't take skill or effort.

>>6933534
What the fuck is going on in the background? A basketball court in a cathedral with a bunch of doors on each side? What do you even input to get that kind of result?

>>6933901
lol how poor is your school?

>>6933537
Hard to think that I'd ever agree with pedo vito.

>>6933532
>do you have anything to say for yourself?
Do you really expect me to read all of that?

>>6933541
>>6933532
what I'm most confused about with this is isn't shad supposed to be some kind of medieval combat "expert"? shouldn't he know that the pose makes zero fucking sense?

>>6934005
>isn't shad supposed to be some kind of medieval combat "expert"?
No, he is a professional grifter and a lolcow

>>6933608
Wow, you sound a bit gatekeepy anon. We don't do that anymore now that ai is a thing.

>>6933537
Marvel fags can't draw for shit
AI fags can't art for shit
Everyone is a fucking cunt in this tweet.

>>6933532
imagine if he spend his time actually drawing instead of proompting and seething on xitter

>>6934081
drawing doesnt make any clout
baiting "antis" and "haters" (other clout seeking virtue signaling faggots) to then complain about being le victim while repeating how smart he is to then bait more replies from others who give him engagement to clown on him does

internet attention really does fuck midwits up

>>6933534
Did anybody mention in his replies how she has a literal hentai face?

>>6933532
the dunking-donut effect is sot fucking strong in this dude
it's almost painful to watch

>>6933854
that would make sense. this feels like a joke, no one can be this clueless
but then there is that video where he goes full autististic child talking about how he is "at a professional level"

>>6934124
>engagement
That's part of it, but it's much more deeply rooted in insecurity than him just wanting engagement boost. He's boasted about his art skills in instances totally removed from getting engagement. He's genuinely obsessed with being able to call himself a good artist.

>>6933890
This.
Shadiversity will prop himself up by claiming it takes a lot of effort and time to make his ugly pic using AI and low level art skills while also claiming that artists should use it. Meanwhile, a competent artist without AI can do his intended idea but with less effort, less time, more dynamic appeal, and more online engagement. It's a lose-lose situation for 'AI art' advocates no matter what.

>>6933532
OP is a faggot and should kill himself.

>>6933532
Reminder, Shad threw a bitch fit on livestream because Jazza gave himself a higher art stat in a tabletop game.
https://youtu.be/n1VybvjzaK0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTBCzH1UyNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNvD8ePFHs

>>6934248
>lazy people
kek

>>6933537
>also Vito:

>>6934233
do you really think winning against shad is a win for traditional art over AI?

all this proves is that AI does not in fact carry you. at least in AI assisted workflows. if you have no skill, you will only make what the AI outputs worse with every decision you make, when what you're supposed to do is make things better..

>>6934260
Isn't he right though?
There is no point in doing elaborate and clean sketches and storyboards.

Thinking someone got owned because of crappy drawings that indeed weren't supposed to be good only shows "your" ignorance.

>>6934260
I don't get it

>>6934269
Somewhat related, but I'm always amused when AIposters brag about how they're going to use AI to make their epic storyboards, when in reality that's one of the worst, most pointless uses of picture shitters.

>>6934124
But he's losing on the engagement front too. Artists doing simpler rough sketches are getting more views and likes than his AI pics.

>make shit ugly image with ai
>say it's good
>get dozens of skilled artists drawing it in their own styles for free
shad is actually a genius and found a loophole in the system to get thousands of dollars worth of commissions without spending a dime.

>>6934267
>do you really think winning against shad is a win for traditional art over AI?
Well, yeah. The traditional artists get more positive attention than AIfags, the traditional artists can make a variety of pictures in less time than AIfags, and the traditional artists are showing they don't need to touch AI to make something remotely interesting. Where the hell is there any win for AI here?

>>6934278
Yeah, because they think like consumers, not creators.
Every single step of a process has to be "pretty" "appealing" and consumable as to wow others and themselves.

This is why they won't let this shit go unless they get utterly btfo by everyone and everything. It gives them the ego they so miserably crave.
I think some guy named Ted said something about ego substitutes

>>6934287
don't bother responding to the tripfag. he goes to every single AI thread just to try to defend ai and pretend he's a real artist.
he got shit on by a goblin doodle from some anon a while ago though, it was pretty funny

>>6934287
>traditional
you mean "conventional". traditional artists already refers to a certain type of artist.

>the traditional artists can make a variety of pictures in less time than AIfags
but they can't? AI can make much more in a shorter time frame.
obviously not if you're like shad and have no real fundamentals.

>and the traditional artists are showing they don't need to touch AI to make something remotely interesting.
that is true. nobody NEEDS AI. just like nobody NEEDS a tablet or photoshop to make art. but that is not a win against AI like you think it is. it just shows that AI is a tool.

>>6934282
eceleb tards believe in
>any publicity is good publicity
i get trying to play devil's advocate, but that guy is like a barely educated car mechanic trying to tell engineers how to build rockets, and then calling you low iq if you tell him he's wrong.

>>6933532
It's very strange, they mock us how fast and easy it is now to create images, then at the same time want everyone to believe it takes skill and hard work. Then if you buy into the skill aspect for one second and point out errors, they go back to square one and mock you how fast and easy it was and that they don't care. Complete mental illness.

>>6934248
God, thank you. This thread is an unexpect whitepill

>>6934295
Fuck off forever. You're genuinely the worst poster /ic/ has ever seen and that's saying a lot. You're trying to mediate peace between artists and thieves under the guise of being a fellow artist. You aren't an artist. Artists actually care about creating and don't offload things to a machine that functions via theft of other's work.

>>6934310
literally the only person here I actually deemed worthy of filtering so I don't have to see his retarded shit

>>6934310
filter me then. it's that easy.
i'm getting tired of these brainlet takes anyway.

you know nothing about what an artist is. to you, being an artist means getting headpats for being skilled.
as someone who is actually reasonably skilled, i can tell you that that is not what art is really about.

>>6934319
>"you know nothing about what an artist is. to you, being an artist means getting headpats for being skilled.
>as someone who is actually reasonably skilled, i can tell you that that is not what art is really about."
and then he will post the blurred ai images

bro, you gotta stop with the trolling
you have an addiction to (you)s

>>6934319
>as someone who is actually reasonably skilled
AHAHAHAHA

>>6934319
>as someone who is actually reasonably skilled
>go through the archive
>find this
lol

>>6934324
>>6934325
i have already made art on request here. two times now. do you want me to post that image AGAIN?

or do you wanna do it a third time
but you'll have to do it with me. you can draw, right?
you know about art, and you know what you're talking about, right?
you're not just some shitter larping as some passionate oh so creative artist, are you?

>>6934327
can you do better than my flockdraws from a decade ago anon?

>i got requested
>BELIEVE ME
and then he will post the yotsuba with a rocket
and the some """"totally different"""" anon will come and say "yeah, i requested that"


40 epic godzillion thousand zozzles

>>6934319
screencapping for later use in a humor thread

>>6934332
ok so i'll have to post it again.
believe the archive, you pathetic shitter.

>>6934330
>>6934310 here. I've also berated you in other threads lately. I bet I draw better and have more followers than you, if you wanna go there.

>>6934335
are we seriously bragging about that chicken scratch? show us something you actually tried and finished to completion.

>>6934335
Epic

>>6933901
Also the reflection on the windows doesnt fit, as theyre different shapes (the windows being cathedral like while the reflections are just rectangles), and the red line on the courthouse doesnt dully finish, it just fades off after it reaches the girls leg. Another thing I noticed is that the wood planks are all fucked up with no symmetry of rhythm, same with the white lines on the floor.

>>6934338
lol this faggot just keeps trying to push to get ai more accepted in art communities so he can freely use without fear of backlash

>he merged the layers
and that's how you know

>as someone who is actually reasonably skilled

>>6934356
This isn't even bad, really. Its just their stance makes you doubt every single one of those lines.

>>6934356
Honestly looking like a AI line drawing, why is the sword even bent. Maybe it's actually a trace of an AI image

>>6934356
Bet some final fantasy tactics autist can tell which image this is

>>6934338
it's not like i want to. you people just tend to obsess over me because you refuse to believe """""real artists"""""" are pro AI. it just doesn't mesh with your strawmen, does it?

we can do this again then, take a trip, use a idea generator and we both draw it within a reasonable time limit.

>>6934343
why would i spend time to do that?

>>6934345
lol. actual shitter in action here. even after seeing proof twice, you still just keep repeating the same shit.

but desu that is a mirror of how you argue about AI as well.
if you can't tell that that's not AI then obviously you also never will be able to understand my viewpoint on AI.
because you don't understand art in general.

>>6934351
i did not merge the layers in the end. because i didn't save so i could undo it. that was the point.
you're just sad at this point.

>>6934349
in a way, yes.
but i also don't believe the backlash is justified in the first place. it's basically just ignorance and misinformation.

>>6934360
>>6934361
well... might as well just post the unblurred version here.
that's not AI, but the colors here are AI.
this would obviously not the final step. it's just an experiment.

Actual schizo behaviour
>>/ic/thread/6807776
>>/ic/thread/6807968
>>/ic/thread/6807992
>>/ic/thread/6808006

>BELIEVE ME

>>6934380
So was that a commission or not? Did the commissioner know you were using AI?

What about for this one?

>>6933850
I kneel. My profound ignorance has blinded me.

>>6934380
>why would I?
because it proves everyone right otherwise. you're a hack dude, plain and simple.

the issue with associating yourself personally with AI is that from then on out everyone and anyone can call anything you make ai generated and the claim isn't completely baseless. same with getting caught blatantly tracing, once a tracer always a tracer as far as everyone else is concerned.

even with these attempts at pyw where you show each layer and the process you went through, people can still say it's AI. Maybe you traced over an AI image and copied the colors.
>doesn't every artist do that to some extent?
I can hear you asking. Yes, most digital artists will either trace or source very heavily while drawing. The difference being you are the "ai guy", your work is permanently tarnished forever dude. there's nothing you could say or post aside from a youtube video of you physically drawing on paper or canvas to convince people you aren't a shortcut fraud.

to close it off my advice to you, once you fully come to terms with the mistake you've made, is if you draw under a pseudonym, abandon it and start over. maybe people won't recognize your art, although I've personally seen it happen here dozens of times. if however you are the ai guy and use your real name it's fucking ogre dude lol.

>>6934388
nah. they're all on the same day and they're essentially the same thread that just kept being deleted.
btw: i never had my posts deleted, only my threads on that day. nor was i ever banned for any of this. so i'm pretty sure the janny deleted them on the basis that AI doesn't belong here.
i wonder if they still think the same.

regardless, i stopped making threads soon after that and only chime in on other people's threads ocasionally now.
i was thinking of doing a proper AI process thread soon though. :)

>>6934397
nope. short sketch specifically made to test what you see here: >>6934380
i was literally just thinking "i need some linework"

>>6934399
i blame the shitty OC.
i don't work comissions. i don't like drawing other people's ideas. or at least i'm not used to it.

lmoa get on my level
the colors are ai btw

are u seething n coping yet "real artistes"?

>>6934409
I kneel

>>6934405
>:)
no one wants you here, dude
is that not obvious yet?

>>6933850
He is not, lol.

>>6934405
>i blame the shitty OC.
lol
>th-the source was bad, that's why my art was shit!

>i don't like drawing other people's ideas. or at least i'm not used to it.
why do you keep showing off the final fantasy character "you" drew then?

>>6934409
Idk what "side" you're on, but the lines are clearly from a line-finding algorithm, which I suppose is a proto-AI technology. CSP has had the feature for years and I remember my local movie theater had a photo booth with a line filter, years ago.

>>6934421
it's a sign of autism to be unable to pick up on obvious sarcasm.

>>6934421
YO WTF you must be low iq how dare you question my integrity and honesty
fucking luddite
pahtetic haeter

ill have you know i am reasonably skilled and you're not haha
can you do better than my skill? lmao challenge me but wait, you can't
hehe checkmate

>>6934269
He was supposed to have that comic out this past summer but he's still in the storyboard phase

I guess antagonizing Eric July and his dead grandparents was more important

>>6934424
>>6934427
What are you implying by your "sarcasm"? Are you suggesting the tripfag used this technique to produce the obviously high quality, skillful, hand drawn lines of his warrior lady sketch? You're not implying something so ridiculous, are you, anon?

>>6934356
Actually you can use AI as a base reference to draw onto or loosely trace over it. If that's the case then it's not any different than drawing with 3d models. But obviously, if the end result still looks. like something that are within what you are able to produce, then that is fine.

Shad's stuff though, since he doesnt really know composition or anatomy, but he uses his own artwork as basis for the AI and so the flaws from his own is already carried over to the final piece. He relies on AI completely for the coloring and rendering. So now it looks like beginner's anatomy and composition painted over with photorealism that you wonder if this shit is someone just photoshopping random mismatching elements.

>>6933854
I think he's just mentally ill

>>6934432
YOU WTF
You dare question the honesty and integrity of someone who showed and proved to be not trustworthy and clearly disingenuous
BRO WTF you fucking luddite low iq pathetic shitter

HE MADE THE YOTSUBA WHICH IS REAL
and was clearly requested because the diffusion can't diffuse yotsuba because it just cant, ok?

stop seething and coping
you are clearly coping and seething
fucking low iq shitter lmao

>>6934404
>because it proves everyone right otherwise.
do you really believe that?

that i need to make a full piece specifically for this?
if you had a brain, >>6934335 this ALONE would already be irrefutable truth. simply because AI would not be able to create this. the requester admitted it themselves.
so really, why would i spend even more time to prove myself to a dishonest shitter like you?


>...from then on out everyone and anyone can call anything you make ai generated and the claim isn't completely baseless.
yes, but not after i already have disproven it.

>same with getting caught blatantly tracing, once a tracer always a tracer as far as everyone else is concerned.
excuse me, what?

>Maybe you traced over an AI image and copied the colors.
ok, but again, the AI can not do what i drew.
even the requester anon said, quote:
>I asked him to do yotsuba partly because I know you can't prompt her on dalle-3. and stable diffusion sucks with complex poses.

>you'll be discredited!!!!
i'm not worried at all really.
because (when i do start using it openly,) i would have galleries ranging back from long before the age of AI.
none of this affects me in the way you think it does. it's just really annoying at best. but i would never feel discredited due to AI.

>>6934413
you legit have the brain of a child
again, just filter me.
but then you probably don't want others to listen to me either eh?

>>6934415
i mean i based my sketch on that OC? probably too closely. so yes i do blame the source.
i don't even like midgets. at all. (i do get it's still ultimatively my work and if i was better i could have made it better. but it's still not accurate to judge me based on that imo)

>why do you keep showing off the final fantasy character "you" drew then?
lol.
because those are in fact my own characters?
it's not even an """""OC"""""" per se, it's just a random sketch.
it just has a FF vibe maybe. but it's more just my own taste.

>>6934440
Something something "the abyss stares back into you"
This whole thread has devolved into a schizophrenic Hatfield-Mccoyesque cascade of retaliatory attacks that make no sense to the outside world. You've got a stake in this, and I want no further part in it.
I think it's likely the tripfag stole off jap twitter or something, but that just makes too much logical sense I guess

>>6934447
Your drawings, if infact yours, show promise. But that just makes it that much sadder that you're mcdonald's happy meal-ing yourself with AI. You you aren't being prescient by adopting AI. You're hurting yourself and your fellow artists.

>>6934399
Thats not really how I'd use AI since the end result would be completely different with how I'd normally draw lol. I wish AI could just spat out base colors with no shading in different layers and hopefully doesnt mess up my original linework tho. AI would be more useful if it's used to automate 80% of one process instead 100% of all process since unfucking everything would be as much work as just doing it yourself.

>all his tricks have been unveiled
>BELIEVE ME BELIEVE ME BELIEVE ME

>>6934433
>If that's the case then it's not any different than drawing with 3d models
except it is because 3d models will be basically anatomically proportionate, you still have to know basic anatomy, and you still have to design the pose/viewing angle.

>>6934447
>i would never feel discredited due to AI.
says the guy whose been desperately trying to prove he definitely is drawing the sketches and not tracing over an already AI generated output. I'm not sure what your goal is, whether you want to use the AI images in a book, comic, game etc, or if this is all just a hobby.

if it's just a hobby then I have no clue why you waste everyone's time trying to convince artists who (actually) draw that AI is le future when you yourself aren't even interested in making a living off of art. you admitted you don't do commissions and let's be real that isn't sustainable long term, so the only option left would be work as an artist for an animation/game studio. once whoever is interviewing you hears that you use AI they are immediately going to end the interview.

>>6934447
>but then you probably don't want others to listen to me either eh?
I just want the all the AI spam on an art board to stop, yours included
go to /g/
bask in ephemeral glory in one of the containment threads in any other board
people like making art
you are not making art
your advice is as useful as "how I commission art on fiverr and request changes iteratively to get what I want"

>>6934447
>i mean i based my sketch on that OC? probably too closely.
but it still didn't even really look like his oc, and the character doesn't change the rest of the abhorrent shit that was wrong with your drawing.

>>6934319
Your interpretation of comments here is constantly wrong, clearly not the intent of the posters, everyone else can see that. This is why you are the trip-schizo.

>>6934449
i made them by REQUEST.
you can even see how fast i made them by looking at the timestamps.

but it's funny seeing how hard this breaks people's brains around here.

and again, this really mirrors all your attitudes on AI in general: you bought into a certain narrative, and you refuse to believe otherwise even when presented with counterarguments, or in this case, evidence.
if you cared about the truth then i already would have proven myself with the yotsuba sketch.

the fact that people STILL try to harp on me saying "you will never be an artist" is really just the clown fiesta encore to an episode that should have concluded long ago.
it's not like i want to post the same shit over and over again to disprove the same accusations.
you people are just willfully trying not to see it.
and it's similar with how discussions around AI turn out as well. you people don't even try to listen.

(i mean i get it, a large part of it is just one extremely mentally ill sperg. but still)

>>6934456
AI will hurt artists in some way. yes. but it's only in the same that the invention of the steam engine hurt workers jobs.
and you saying that me using it would hurt artists has that exact same context to me: just like the steam engine, it will be widespread in the future. so it is utterly futile to be against it.

i would actually fight against it if it was ACTUALLY unethical beyond this basic factor of competition. but knowing what i know about AI, i simply do not believe that is the case.
it is no actually stealing peoples work under any reasonable interpretation.

>>6934467
but it's not spam? no matter how you frame it, i'm clearly serious.
again, you're extremely childish about this.
>go away! i don't wanna hear it!!

>>6934465
i obviously mean in the context outside of here.
then i would have a gallery you can view. a gallery that is much older than AI.
here, yea, i do have to prove myself.
though if you had any braincells, then i already would have succeeded.

Is there already functionality to apply base colors to frames in an animation, based on the first frame?

>>6934474
>i do have to prove myself.
>though if you had any braincells, then i already would have succeeded.
so it's my job to believe what some tripfag says on 4chan or I'm dumb? again you did this to yourself. you posted those sketches in /draw/ or r8 threads nobody would've batted an eye or called you a fraud. but since decided to so wisely associate yourself with AI, every claim you make and piece if artwork you post will be uniquely doubted as fraudulent.

nobody here likes you, I have zero clue why you still hang around here, I'm sorry i don't know how else to say it.

>>6934474
>AI will hurt artists in some way. yes. but it's only in the same that the invention of the steam engine hurt workers jobs.
and you saying that me using it would hurt artists has that exact same context to me: just like the steam engine, it will be widespread in the future. so it is utterly futile to be against it.

Who do you think you are if not completely replaceable under this narrative? You're cheering on inhumanity. Like...the fuck??? You're being suicidal. Am I crazy? I'm checked out I guess, boys.

>claim something to be true
>get your claim challenged
>get your "proof" challenged and reasonably accused of being a liar
>all you do in response is insult people and demand to be believed
the beacon of honesty

>>6934486
top two lines should be green, sorry

>>6934474
>i'm clearly serious.
I understand that

by the way, do you have an answer to this?

>your advice is as useful as "how I commission art on fiverr and request changes iteratively to get what I want"

do you think that would be an interesting thing to discuss in an art board? can you understand why people wouldn't think so? can you understand why daily threads about "cool art I commissioned from this dude on twitter!" would be off topic and annoying?

>>6934486
As an artist my only hope is that there is some massive solar flare that wipes out the electrical grid for years and artists have to "retvrn to trad".

>>6934474
>the yotsuba sketch
What the fuck are you talking about. You've been deadlocked in a blood feud with a cabal of 3 people and a donkey for weeks now, and you come across as extraordinarily mentally unhinged. Nobody else knows what you're talking about! When I see your verbose multi-reply posts, I keep scrolling. Not out of contempt, but innocent indifference...it's like seeing a popup ad while browsing the internet, it's visual white nose.
If you're serious about your art, then stop shitting up /ic/ and do your thing, AI or no AI. I'll take any further response as a concession that you're only serious about trolling a dead board. This is your first and last (you) from me, savor it.

>>6934474
>>6934447
Imagine typing all that
Now imagine doing that several times a week

>>6934474
Mr tripfag you are desperate and are as worthless as everyone else here

>>6934491
that'd honestly be the coolest thing ever

>>6934492
he still on damage control after getting utterly btfo by dumb artists explaining his magic art machine better and without the jargon he uses as a crutch to come off as believable.
That happened a few months ago and he hasn't stopped since.

Now that is coping and seething to the max if i ever saw it

>>6934478
there's barely even tweening AI.
none of this is integrated nor optimized for artists workloads yet. it's just people figuring shit out with a very general tool that isn't optimized for anything.

when you see integration into CSP, blender or animation programs, maybe only then will artists start understanding what i'm saying today.

>>6934484
>so it's my job to believe what some tripfag says on 4chan or I'm dumb?
it's your job to use your head to figure out what is or isn't likely.
otherwise, yes i can and will call you dumb.
but then again you pretty much believe AI is magic so i guess anything could be AI to you.

twice now i made sketches on request for this. i offered to do it a third time itt >>6934380 (i rescind that offer for today btw since it's getting late)

but i'm the dishonest one. sure.

>>6934492
see >>6934335
and i did it again just this weekend. see >>/ic/thread/6928269#p6929440

>>6934474
>(i mean i get it, a large part of it is just one extremely mentally ill sperg. but still)
ironing

>>6934493
We could compile them all into a novel, probably have 500 pages already?

>>6934488
This happened when I quoted trip before. Cursed posts.

>>6934507
>but i'm the dishonest one. sure.
uuuuuhm yes? Wanna bet you and 4 other guys are giggling like trannies in your discord voice chat?
You want proof of that? Guess you're dumb and if you don't like this response, well, you should buy yourself a mirror or wipe your cum off of the one you own.

>>6934486
>Who do you think you are if not completely replaceable under this narrative? You're cheering on inhumanity. Like...the fuck??? You're being suicidal. Am I crazy? I'm checked out I guess, boys.
no. in this analogy, i'd be advocating for using the steam engine for our own good.

so instead of creating a comic, animation, game assets or illustrations with manual labor alone, we do it with the help of a "steam engine".

which is not to say to let it replace our creativity, but use it for low level tasks where we can gain efficiency. like the coloring example i showed. like creating backgrounds, inbetweening, whatever workflow we can come up with.

>>6934489
you are assuming that everything about AI is prompting.
what do you say to this >>6934380? the fact that it can generate many many different palettes according to my specification, according to my lines, all at once?
even if i do not use the AI output directly, it would still give me ideas.

or that it can create backgrounds, or just things you aren't as practiced with? car interiors, color foliage, a specific object like a vase, a backpack, a cupboard.

you can compare it to a "dude i commissioned on twitter", and i have said many times in the past that i consider the AI to be the same as an assistant artist.
the key here is that you have much, much more freedom in how you direct it. because it's a tool.


>>6934521
there is no samefag, no discord, you are just completely mentally ill.

>there is no samefag, no discord, you are just completely mentally ill.
This, but in reverse.

nice thread guys, good talk.

>>6934546
>no. in this analogy, i'd be advocating for using the steam engine for our own good.
>
>so instead of creating a comic, animation, game assets or illustrations with manual labor alone, we do it with the help of a "steam engine".
>
>which is not to say to let it replace our creativity, but use it for low level tasks where we can gain efficiency. like the coloring example i showed. like creating backgrounds, inbetweening, whatever workflow we can come up with.

This isn't rocket science. We understand your arguments. But you're just a retard.

>>6934546
>i'd be advocating for using the steam engine for our own good.

the soul-stealing device is for my own good OHH damn I didn't know that. Yeah go ahead and steal my art so you can be lazy and superficial and color in your AI generated drawing. That's fine. I don't care. I'm not vindictive or anything.

>>6934546
enjoy your 1 year of making comics before AI does it all.

>>6934569
ah yes, the soul stealing device.
the thing that simply learns through generalization, not of single images, but large amounts of images in tandem.
that doesn't use your data for anything except that generalization (i.e. learning).
that doesn't use anything other than its own generalized representation for things to generate its images.

it's a mystical "soul stealing device"
mind explaining how it steals your/my soul?
look at pic related. how do you think this soul stealing works?

or an interesting question: what parts of this image do you think belong to other artists?

>>6934580
>that doesn't use your data for anything except that generalization (i.e. learning).
if we call it generalization it sounds like it's not stealing :)

>>6934580
I'm not acktually stealing hehehe

>>6934577
is that supposed to be more or less productive than your 1 year of screeching about AI to dissapear or trying to pretend it doesn't exist?
seriously, what WILL you be doing in 5 years when AI actually becomes good enough to fully replace a human?

also i said this before, but Art is still one of the safer fields when considering the larger picture. there will still be meaning in doing art, because art is subjective in the first place.
because i believe that after a certain level of competence, it no longer is that curcial to consider who is "better".

because you might have a favorite artist, musician, director, but you still like other artists even if they are worse than your favorite artists. and this is not only true for technical skill, but just plain taste.
different artists are so different that it's often pointless to compare them at all.

you can ask yourself who is better between quentin tarantino and martin scorcese, but that doesn't make either of them obsolete because they're worse.

>>6934546
>you can compare it to a "dude i commissioned on twitter", and i have said many times in the past that i consider the AI to be the same as an assistant artist.
>the key here is that you have much, much more freedom in how you direct it. because it's a tool.
yes, that "freedom" comes from scale, speed, and economy.
that's plain to see and is precisely why I have no doubt it's going to be used and abused and it is clearly A future we will have to get used to

but I still like drawing and painting and I will keep doing it and I enjoy seeing what other anons are drawing and painting and learning from their tips and processes. what you are doing is not any of that.

you keep arguing past that like we would accept and embrace you if only we understood the process.

>>6934584
>ehehe ur just using a semantic trick!!
no.
generalization is just what it is.
it is detecting patterns across many many different images with similar tags.
if the AI copies a 1000 bottles during training, then it will see that blurry starting shape always looks a certain way and the details also always look a certain way.

so when it creates outside of training, it will know the probably shapes to start with and the probable details to make up.

and i say shapes, but it's not just shapes. it's any complex relationship.
like
>sunny images always have certain colors
>night time images always have certain possible colors
>water reflects surrounding colors
>etc etc

>>6934608
Lot of effort spent justifying being a thief rather than learning to draw, eh?

>>6934595
if you only said that i was cheating when using AI, then that would be fine.
because it is true in the same sense as many other digital tools are "cheating".
>transform tool
>ctrl-z
>stabilizers
>adjustment layers
>photobashing
arguably it is more cheating than these even, depending on how much one uses it, but the nature is the same. these are all bypassing natural skill.

but the current discourse is not that. it is
>ur not an artist!
>it's stealing!
>you're hurting artists!
etc etc.
and i adressed/am adressing all of those itt. reply to those posts if you want to argue against this.

>>6934620
Shut up babydick

>>6934618
effort spent trying to explain simple concepts to fools.
because this is just a simplification so you can even understand the IDEA of how it works.

i can go more in depth on most of these processes if anyone cares to know.

it's pointless to write out the entire process in all its detail just so nobody reads it and have eyes glaze over from the complexity.
so i'd rather just explain when asked.

>>6934630
reply to this one now

>>6934589
>what WILL you be doing in 5 years when AI actually becomes good enough to fully replace a human?
That's a question for everyone not just artists. The world is about to get a lot more pointless and it will be an ugly fight trying to get any sort of ubi (and a ubi that isn't a humiliating amount)

>>6934648
so if we all agree together, or at least a vast majority, that we don't want robots replacing jobs and trades, then why don't we just halt the technology? it's pretty well known the oil industry will buy out any patent of cars and generators that run on renewable resources, and at worst make the inventor disappear or die in a freak accident.

why are they allowed to halt progression but the rest of humanity doesn't? fuck this gay earth.

>>6934648
yeah.
but that doesn't answer the question. what will you be doing? are you gonna give up on art or not? or are you going to make art and compete?

i think everything will just turn their focus solely on the "frontier" of things. there will be no demand for the "average" anymore, but people at the very top pushing the boundaries still will have a role.
and again, in this sense, art has some advantages because it is subjective and we can expand in infinitely different directions.
whereas with programming, it's much more clear what is "better" or "worse".

we have an nigh infinite amount of genres to expand, and we can make up new shit where we go. art is like that.

>>6934648
>muh UBI
Humans need to do something which they feel provides value to the community. It's why parent/inheritance dependent NEETs, even the ones who sit at home and play videogames and watch TV all day, are generally miserable despite living a hedonistic life. Humans who don't like to be kept were the ones who survived, so most alive today want to find some meaningful purpose which isn't just self fulfilling, but is also recognized by others as meaningful.

>>6934589
>1 year of screeching about AI to dissapear or trying to pretend it doesn't exist?
who? I use AI for laughs all the time. I'm not gonna taint my work with it. I will look down on those who do, and try to keep them out of art spaces.

>>6934667
so you will keep it separate. but professionals will inevitably be mixing both together more and more.
you can then look down on all professional artists i guess.
you'd be the equivalent of the current traditional boomers who look down on digital artists.

>and try to keep them out of art spaces.
and that too, will be as effective as traditional artists trying to berate digital artists and t rying to discourage its use.

there are many other examples in history.
but in the end, none of them have any meaning considering the bigger picture. the world will simply move past you.

>>6934679
>will be as effective as traditional artists trying to berate digital artists
berate? I'm just saying spaces that are free of it are desired. you don't want to see photography presented as a painting at a portrait painting exhibition do you?

>>6934679
>but professionals will inevitably be mixing both together more and more
Cool, and what if people choose to not regard AI mixed works as legit works and not allow ai-mixed works to contribute to projects, and consumers get consumer-fatique as to start ignoring AI-mixed works?
What if there are artists who just want to draw without using AI?
Will they be called stupid technophobic bigots because they gatekeep?
Will they be allowed to just be by themselves and not get their work stolen?
Will AI-artists follow the law or will copyright and fair use only be optional only for AI generations?
Will artists be allowed to be in their own spaces without being bothered by AI people who have nothing to do with the space they're entering?

>>6934701
Non AI-assisted art will be for rich people, like horses are today.

>>6934705
online drawing sites will make people some people seethe and mald for the amount of gatekeep it imposes. no matter how hood proomter you are. you'll never be able to participate.

>>6934705
and then we'll get car people telling us about cars and how we hate cars for not racing with cars instead of horses

we had this with the gays, with the trannies, with crypto, nfts and now ai

always the same fucking shit because you aren't allowed to euthanize retards

>>6934701
do you think that will happen?

even if there are artists like you, there are also artists like me. and other artists trying to find new ways to use this. because it obviously has potential.
if some of us make good stuff. won't that erode your base more and more?

digital manga used to be a negative. and for valid reasons.
but as programs optimized more for digital inking, things mattered less and less. as more and more legit works got published, people stopped complaining about it entirely. you can say that about digital art in general actually.

considering the long term, how do you think things will turn out?
you genuinely seem to think that you can bully AI away.

>get their work stolen?
see >>6934608 >>6934580
i offered to explain things even morebut none of you want to know apparently.
you just want to keep living in your delusion.

>>6934695
sure. but for general spaces, the only way to get that space is to declare it specifically as non-AI.
and who are you to declare /ic/, games, comics, animation as non-AI?

>>6934721
hi tripfag, I have a secret
I draw over ai and render it myself and get a shitload of engagement with my posts
extremely minimal effort and I've "made it"

>>6934721
>who are you to declare /ic/
I think I speak for 99.9% of the /ic/ community, that we don't welcome AI here and don't plan on changing that stance.
given the amount and rate of ai image production, it would drown out the rest of our art on /ic/ if we ever opened the floodgates.

Lets say we do let it, and 2 years from now your comic is done, you've done all the lines yourself, but used AI to cover your weakness/save time rendering. you post it to /ic/... along with all the others posting their AI comics in which they used AI for everything, how are you going to stand out? will you even get feedback? yours looks AI all the same. if you try to let some human flaws remain to show you are doing it yourself, why not go all the way and remove the AI entirely? why do you want to show you are human?

>>6934750
>I think I speak for 99.9% of the /ic/ community, that we don't welcome AI here and don't plan on changing that stance.
you think. but that is neither true nor is that a number that is set in stone. there are people on the fence from what i can tell.

>given the amount and rate of ai image production, it would drown out the rest of our art on /ic/ if we ever opened the floodgates.
for pure prompt AI flooding, yes. but not necessarily for AI assisted art, which is what i'm actually interested in here.
i'm not for moving /sdg/ or /hdg/ to /ic/.

but some things clearly don't belong on those boards. like how can you look at pic related and say this should be discussed on /g/, where most people can't paint?


>you post it to /ic/...
why do you make it sound like my goal is to post on ic and get critique lol, when it comes to AI, overall i'm more interested in discussing workflows and processes.

>how are you going to stand out? will you even get feedback?
i would stand out the same way i would before it? by making a good piece of work.

>yours looks AI all the same. if you try to let some human flaws remain to show you are doing it yourself, why not go all the way and remove the AI entirely? why do you want to show you are human?
if you say so. i highly doubt you would say that about my actual art outside of this context.
but even the fact that you can convince yourself into thinking the various sketches i provided are AI already says a lot about the situation imo.

>>6934721
You didn't answer any of my questions.

What if people choose to not regard AI mixed works as legit works and not allow ai-mixed works to contribute to projects, and consumers get consumer-fatique as to start ignoring AI-mixed works?
What if there are artists who just want to draw without using AI?
Will they be called stupid technophobic bigots because they gatekeep?
Will they be allowed to just be by themselves and not get their work stolen?
Will AI-artists follow the law or will copyright and fair use only be optional only for AI generations?
Will artists be allowed to be in their own spaces without being bothered by AI people who have nothing to do with the space they're entering?

>>6934770
>but some things clearly don't belong on those boards. like how can you look at pic related and say this should be discussed on /g/, where most people can't paint?
>why do you make it sound like my goal is to post on ic and get critique lol, when it comes to AI, overall i'm more interested in discussing workflows and processes.
>i would stand out the same way i would before it? by making a good piece of work.
>if you say so. i highly doubt you would say that about my actual art outside of this context.
but even the fact that you can convince yourself into thinking the various sketches i provided are AI already says a lot about the situation imo.
actual brain damage

>>6934770

>pic rel
neat trick, what is to discuss? "look I made AI do img2img in real time."

you are asking us to let AI in, we didn't even let photobashers in.

>but even the fact that you can convince yourself into thinking the various sketches i provided are AI already says a lot about the situation imo.
not me, I've been the one saying otherwise, even gave you the yotsuba prompt which I had no difficulty believing was drawn by you.

>>6934810
>you are asking us to let AI in, we didn't even let photobashers in.
exactly this. AItards thinking they are being unfairly gatekept when we gatekept photobashers for years.

but not everything thats gatekept at first is necessarily bad per se. I remember when digital tablets just started to catch on and people trad dudes were fuming saying it wasn't "real art". Digital tablets was the obvious evolution for online art but I do think AI is like a doomsday scenario if it's allowed to put roots in. There can be a balance where you use AI for poses and color pallet ideas, but the tripfag asking everyone to just submit to it is delusional.

>>6933674
You missed the point dumbass. If art is "democratised", then surely it should be as easy as simply grabbing a pencil and paper, and yet there are all this stipulations and BS to get the image close to what you want.
I'm happy with learning, but I'm not the one claiming that AI is so accessible that now anyone can be an artist. The poor third world African boy is more likely to have a pencil and paper than a computer that can run SD.

>>6934804
it's not hard to understand. like discussing up to date techniques and stuff. like this in another thread about CSP: >>6934126 >>6933132

and with the other points i was just answering the questions. none of this is complicated. stop playing stupid.

>>6934810
that's funny because photobashing is directly stealing. same with tracing.

>what is to discuss?
the result could be better. and very different if you used different methods.
the real-time part might as well just be a cool gimmick for now tho. it's the same shit as SD, just in real time.

>>6934801
i didn't adress this because it's a non issue for me.
you're still assuming that you will clearly be able to differentiate between AI and non AI.

RIGHT NOW artists can tell, but normal people already can barely tell at all.
and we are talking about hybrid workflows here which will have even more significant human input. and we're talking about the future, so consider the trend.

what, do you think AI artists want to make AI-slop?

look at >>6934380
i only put my lines extremely basic lines (that were drawn with a uniform pen, so without line weight expression) back on top and it already looks much more non-AI.
if i painted over the entire thing and actually define all the details, do you really think there will be a difference? especially if i deviate from it a lot from the AI output due to getting additional ideas as i work?

my base assumption is that the border between AI and non AI will blur more and more.
your post only works ín your own context, because you consider AI "non-legit".
i make no such distinction in the first place. all that matters is the end result to me.

>>6934801
or let me put it in a way you might understand better:

i don't think it will matter because it wouldn't matter to me.
if i read a truly great manga that touched me and it was AI assisted, i do not think i would care at all. obviously there would be some skill points i would detract from the author, but i would respect the work all the same.

i ALREADY have the same mindset towards the use of 3D in manga and anime.
what they do does not matter, the only thing that matters is if it is good or not.

if i think this way, and i already think this way about 3D assisted tech, i don't see why it would turn out different for AI, which is far far more versatile and complex a tool.

i just have no reason to believe in the anti AI narrative at all, it just doesn't make sense to me realistically speaking.

>>6934834
agreed. if I see impressive work on /ic/, it and it inspires me, I wish I painted like it or something, without AI in the equation, I can ask them follow up questions, "who did you study? here is my attempt, could you give me some tips on painting metal like you?" with AI in the mix, "just prompt bro, use control net, use this LoRA". Not what you want to hear...

>that's funny because photobashing is directly stealing. same with tracing.
is it? most, I mean ALL photobashers in professional settings use their own or licensed images. There are even lawyers at big studios who have to clear work you've done when using photos.

>>6934844
ok but that's your personal beliefs and you're trying to argue on such a broad subject with your feelings and such
what the hell am i supposed to do with that? Are you high?

>>6934338
Touch grass faggot

>>6934869
just autistic it seems

>>6934844
>if i read a truly great manga that touched me and it was AI assisted, i do not think i would care at all.
would you post on 4chan if you knew that all the posts were AI generated and no human being was reading what you wrote?

would you care if only a handful of 4chan administrators used AI to "assist" them in populating the board with posts and you couldn't distinguish between the few real humans and the massive amounts of bots?

would you read a 2000 page book that a "writer" wrote with the "assistance" of AI? what if the prompt was "write me a 2000 page book"? what if the "author" wrote a very emotional post on 4chan about his process, how he started with a synopsis and an outline and a style guide and then used AI as a "tool" to iteratively "write" his book? would that make a difference? can you tell the difference? will you care to find out?

>>6934869
and you think you aren't posting your personal beliefs?
we're literally guessing the future here. the question is who makes more sense and which scenario is more likely.

>>6935001
>would you post on 4chan if you knew that all the posts were AI generated and no human being was reading what you wrote?
i wouldn't.
or it would depend on the quality of the posts. if it was just some meme bots then obviously not.

>would you care if only a handful of 4chan administrators used AI to "assist" them in populating the board with posts and you couldn't distinguish between the few real humans and the massive amounts of bots?
same as above.

>would you read a 2000 page book that a "writer" wrote with the "assistance" of AI?
absolutely. if it was a good book.

>what if the prompt was "write me a 2000 page book"?
same. IF, and only if it was good.
currently that will only lead to trash, even with more extensive human input.

>what if the "author" wrote a very emotional post on 4chan about his process, how he started with a synopsis and an outline and a style guide and then used AI as a "tool" to iteratively "write" his book?
same.

you know, there is a youtuber who does a lot of that already. and he writes the most bland fantasy shit about vikings and cults, i wouldn't want to read it regardless if it was AI or not.
but to me, an unexpressive/uncreative writer with AI is not any different from an unexpressive/uncreative writer without AI.
that shad guy shows this clearly as well.

>would that make a difference? can you tell the difference? will you care to find out?
like i said, it would matter if i could tell the difference in a negative way. just like you could tell digital art to be worse than traditional art in many ways back in the day.
but eventually it will get to a point where it doesn't matter. the only thing that ever will matter is the result.

.

>>6934580
all of it

>>6935323
it's called overfitting and it's an undesireable error.
that's not what AI is supposed to be doing nor is it what AI is normally doing in everyday use.
a ton of duplicates (among other conditions) in the training data can lead to that. that's why memes and more famous photos that get shared around in articles often get overfit.

pic related still applies. imagine instead of learning on a bunch of different smileys, it just trains on the exact same smiley over and over.
it's akin to learning the entire composition as a whole, almost like a symbol.

it doesn't innovate, no AI van gogh, so much AI art but no new styles to be found, always the same slop, its as if humans were something more than mere generalizations of previous artists

>>6935338
>not what AI is supposed to be doing nor is it what AI is normally doing in everyday use.
It's doing exactly what it was trained to do. This is the desired result from the ai's perspective. The "original works" are the mistakes from its own perspective(not to anthropomorphize too much)

>>6935293
>it would depend on the quality of the posts.
For the sake of argument, same quality as your best times on ic. What would you be getting out of interacting with AI ic? Novelty?

6935293
>you think you aren't posting your personal beliefs?
Are you serious right now?
You want to argue and try so vehemently to convince others of your religion, based solely on your own personal beliefs and then resort to nothing but attacks and playing the victim if someone dares not agree.
>we're guessing the future
No, you're obviously just shilling Ai. You made your intent very clear, but this is a warning to anyone considering interacting with you.

You're mentally ill. Seek help or kill yourself.

>>6935354
then just innovate.
why do you want the tool to innovate for you?

>>6935380
you sound like you're too autistic to understand how a discussion works.
i already said my piece before your last post.

and then you followed up with stating the obvious (that i'm stating my own opinions and beliefs) and this gem:
>b-b-but what the hell am i supposed to do with that?
how am i supposed to know? are YOU serious right now?

i get it, you don't want to be convinced.
it's just funny to see that when you get challenged on your beliefs, at the end you just hunker down when you can't continue the argument, both refusing to continue but also refusing to change your mind.
"you're just a shill so no point in listening to you!" - if that's all you have to say, then just filter me you're wasting both our time by interacting.

>>6935362
>This is the desired result from the ai's perspective.
the AI has no real perspective. what it wants to do is what the people making the AI want it to do.
the AI has a task, and that task is to create synthetic images.

take this AI for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3BZ6O_8LY
what you're saying is similar to saying
>the car AI WANTS to crash into the railing!
even though the researcher will take deliberate steps and make changes to its architecture and configuration so it doesn't do that, so that it achieves its actual task.


>The "original works" are the mistakes from its own perspective(not to anthropomorphize too much)
and what are you basing that on?
the original works is what happens normally, the overwhelming majority of the time.
you have to actually try to get specific images, and it will only work with overfit concepts to begin with.

..what i'm describing here sounds far closer to a mistake/accident. no?

>>6935370
if it was able to provide that, maybe.
i already can have very productive conversations with AI. and nobody will read those either.
THIS THREAD might have been less retarded if AI replaced certain posters.

in the present, i'm already better off talking to gpt4 compared to asking another average person about any particular topic.
a beginner right now could probably have their stupid questions better answered by talking to gpt4 instead of asking ic (at least on average).

>What would you be getting out of interacting with AI ic?
everything except for the social experience.
that being said, the AI 4chan would obviously not be the same, because the missing social factor does matter.

and i don't believe that social factor exists in art. not in a way that matters. i've said this before: your work does and should stand on its own.

all that being said: so what is your point?

stay mad, fag

>try to argue
>use your beliefs and feelings as objective evidence and proof of whatever you want
>people disagree
>go on a tirade how everyone is stupid and accuse them of the same things you're guilty of
ngl i kinda like the schizophrenia simulator

>>6934067
>make some AI nsfw stuff
>post them on secret Twitter alt
>"Wow anon how did you make that? What prompts? What LoRAs?"
>post all the rentry tutorials I used, share the exact prompts, even go as far as to post very model mix I use on civitai

>later get bored of AI and decide to focus more on my actual art, post that I'm not gonna be doing AI anymore
>the same people once again ask me to make a tutorial like I'm gatekeeping some secret that all the resources I've shared don't explain in high detail

These people don't even know the definition of gatekeeping

>>6935459
My point is that art is not only about technical skills, but also about human emotions, expressions, and interactions. You may be able to learn some techniques and tips from an AI, but you will not be able to experience the joy, the frustration, the inspiration, and the feedback that come from engaging with other artists and art lovers. Art is a form of communication, and communication requires a social factor. Your work may stand on its own, but it will not reach its full potential without the context and the connection that come from sharing it with others.

>>6935816
as long as you only let AI help you, you can still do all of that.

in fact here's an easy analogy with what your forum analogy.
>you can write a post without AI. fully natural and rely on your own internal resources
>you can write a post with the help of AI, gaining information and the ability to sort and think through many scenarios at once.
>you can let the AI write entirely for you

#1 is just what is normal now.

#2 is like using a very advanced research and brainstorming tool, as long as you still write your posts yoursef, you still have an understanding of what you're writing about and you can interact with others in pretty much the exact same way.

#3 is when things fall apart and you lose understanding of what you're actually writing about. you will not be able to continue the conversation on your own if the AI is writing about things you yourself don't understand and you completely lose control over your posts.

>>6936200
forgot my trip

>>6936200
um ok? but what of your interactions? the other posters? when somebody drew my oc, I was over the moon. if an AI drew my oc I don't give a flying fuck.

>>6936219
and you think that matters, how?
did you learn or improve from that?
i mean it was a nice small social interaction, sure. like i said, AI can't really provide that. but a human using the AI can.

you say
>if an AI drew my oc
but it would still be a human that liked your OC enough to make an AI version of it. in terms of social interactions, it would still matter, even if less so.
it would just depend on the effort spent on the piece, no? and realistically, it would depend on how good the piece is

>>6936231
>did you learn or improve from that?
No, but they did.

>but it would still be a human that liked your OC enough to make an AI version of it.
*takes next to no effort, may even be viewed as an insult, like it wasn't worth drawing on your own? If your grandma is knitting sweaters for all your brothers and sisters, and then gives you a $5 one from aliexpress, sure it looks the same but you have to wonder if you did something to get on her bad-side.

*if you are not shad

>>6936259
>No, but they did.
yeah but are you gonna argue that drawing other people's OC is the way to improve? it's mainly still just a nice social interaction. one that will still exist as long as people draw. and i think they will.
hell, most people here are arguing for ignoring/banning AI, so of course people will keep drawing.
i am pro-AI and i also never once said i will stop drawing.

>takes next to no effort, may even be viewed as an insult
what if they can't draw at all? it'd still be worth something. i've already seen people post random reaction images using AI that i thought were charming.

>sure it looks the same but you have to wonder if you did something to get on her bad-side.
see but that's not even true. you would never think that about your granma just because she bought you a sweater instead of knitting one. are you gonna bitch at your granma for being low effort? no, you will just appreciate the gift anyway.

>you sound like you're too autistic
huh...

>i already can have very productive conversations with AI.
>i'm already better off talking to gpt4 compared to asking another average person about any particular topic
>and i don't believe that social factor exists in art. not in a way that matters.
kek

>>6936285

>it'd still be worth something
to you. If someone can't read the room and uses AI in a draw thread, I might thank them for their time and polilety let them know not to do it again.

>see but that's not even true. you would never think that about your granma just because she bought you a sweater instead of knitting one. are you gonna bitch at your granma for being low effort? no, you will just appreciate the gift anyway.
I would never say it, only wonder it. as would my siblings(who may also wonder what was up) we could just skip the analogy and say your grandma was an oil painter and gave everyone paintings, but for you, a print of a dalle3 picture.

>>6936290
going by your example, a digital print would also be worth less in social value compared to an oil painting. it's fairer to compare to that since they're both prints.

AI would still be worse but that would depend on the specifics.
i keep saying this but remember that i'm not advocating for just using prompts, but using AI in combination with existing skills. (which is the entire point of arguing for this on /ic/ specifically)

also i think the analogy in general is favoring your point since gift giving is a strictly social setting and effort trumps value there.
whereas in any other setting people don't really care about the effort you put into something but judge the value on its own.

for example if i tweak the analogy to
>your aunt is "gifting" you a large illustration that you have to hang up in your entrance
then you'd probably be happy if AI can make that image as good as it can be, because you'd wish for quality in that case.

>>6936382
>then you'd probably be happy if AI can make that image as good as it can be, because you'd wish for quality in that case.
to be clear, i'm not saying it has to be used. i'm saying a normal person who doesn't treat AI as something adversarial would treat the use of it as a fault. as long as the result is good.