/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6929398
kek

>>6929398
hey anons! I remember a guide (as in which books to read/what to grind) made by a famous American comic artist being posted here. said guide was posted on his personal website.
I know it seems very vague but if someone could identify it that would be great

>>6929415
david finch

can someone help me break this down into cubes? The torso and the pelvis. Can't really figure it out

>>6929415
you mean this?
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

What's a good course like dynamic sketching but for digital art

>>6929428
I thought maybe like this, but it doesn't feel right

>>6929430
Do it in digital without erasing/undo.

>>6929436
Ok
Peter Han vs Patrick Ballesteros?

>>6929429
>>6929416
yup, that one. thanks anons!

Where do I start if I'm an absolute beginner? I want to draw comics and figures eventually but I'm also aware this takes a while I'm an artist in other departments.
>>READ THE STICKY:
It gave me a 404.

>>6929428
maybe

>>6929446
Consensus seems to be Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson, I agree it's a solid book to stop symbol drawing and actually learn the basics.

I’m not going to draw for this thread, either.

>>6929455
You're really missing out bud

>>6929428

More head practice, doing a whole page of this really takes it out of me, but I feel like I'm doing it slightly more and more faster now at least.
Also I'm not sure if the anon from the last couple of threads is still here, but thanks for doing that head redline and recommending doing the Loomis head but more anime-ish style! it really helped me a lot when it came to measuring the proportions

Also any help is welcome please and thank you!

>>6929428
>can someone help me break this down into cubes?
NO
if you can't break it down into cubes then you need to break it down into other forms that you see intuitively
youre literally doing pic rel

>>6929428
Is that a man?

>>6929457
Stick to having fun with your own pencil, you god damn faggot.

>>6928199
No. Spent the day listening to 2pac and figuring out how to install Stalker Anomaly: Gamma.
I'll draw a lot tomorrow after gym. Doesn't matter when i start even people who do like 14 hours of work a day don't get good so it literally doesn't matter.

>>6929500
meant for >>6928199

>>6929502
FUCK
the response ot that one they just asked
>Are you drawing son
can't even do a ctrl+c/v. The answer is no anyhow.

>>6929487
It's okay, let it out

if i don't draw tomorrow i'm going to take steps towards getting social aid and then spending my days getting shitfaced 24/7 and getting into feastfights children and women.

>>6929428
Try cylinders, you can plot the box edges later

>>6929428
I tried

How the fuck do I draw? Whenever I start drawing, i literally can't make sense of something as simple as drawing hair. I can't understand 3D perspective nor make sense of it in my brain. Not even mentioning the fact that reading these books is incredibly difficult for me to begin with.
I'm literally too retarded for basic trig. Even took a math placement test recently and fucking couldn't remember how to figure out the perimeter of a square or find the lengths of certain sides of a shape.

I can't practice, I can't focus. I can't do anything. I could easily be putting in 8 to 10 hours but I can't. I'm on 50 MG of adderall a day and it does nothing.

>>6929554
Stop making this copy pasta. I see that you've changed it a little bit. Go through the previous threads and read what was said to anons with similar genuine difficulties. If real (doubt), this is a psychological problem. Go to counseling. We can't help you.

>>6929558
I'm going to a psychiatrist and it does nothing. Only medication changes. Feel better for like a day and then nothing.

Not feeling like posting this on the /cfsg/ right now, desu.
First try on Samus.

>>6929554
>50mg of adderal
So you're constantly in stimulant psychosis?
Good lord.

>>6929563
I'm taking two dosages of 20 and then a 10. Nothing works or makes it feel any better.

>>6929565
Stop taking it

>>6929567
Then I go insane with withdrawals and have a massive panic attack.

>>6929572
Start lowering your dosage.
You're going through stimulant psychosis daily and are also an addict.
This makes it hsrder to draw i'd guess

>>6929576
Tried doing it with my anxiety meds and I went insane. I don't doubt the same thing will happen here.

>>6929508
I bet you’d like that, wouldn’t you, you dishusting queermo. You’d like me to let it all out on you. Just squirt a hot load on your gay face. Your faggot cock, thick and veiny, is probably quivering at thought of my spunk dripping down your cheeks. You’re so gross.

>>6929583
I can't quit meth for you, sorry.
Either you do it somehow or you're fucked forever
Good luck

>>6929584
This is what being a nodraw does for you

Hello beg, maybe loomis method works. MAYBE. Or maybe it is just me drawing thousands of gestures and various studies in the past. We will never know.

>>6929560
simple, clean. i like it
>>6929559
there are: psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists. Only 1 of these actually helps people by talking to them, using cognitive behavioral therapy. The other two are useless. Do your research of which you want. There isnt a single drug which can fix broken lives.
>>6929583
is your bloodline burdened with mental disorders? There are legit people whose parents offed themselves or are closed in mental wards. If that isnt your case then your "insanity" is learned and instead of spamming /beg about how to draw you should first and foremost fix your brain, one step of a time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy
>>6929511
why not first getting social welfare and then draw? literally free money
>>6929479
when drawing 3/4 head, always remember to foreshorten the parts which are further away from the viewer. Eyes, the other half of lips, ear... most of your eyes are just mirrored while they should have different shape + little smaller
>>6929446
keys to drawing, perspective made easy, figure drawing of your choice, framed ink
>>6929428
i dont understand why people want to break photo into 3D shapes. First of all if you have reference then you dont need construction? And secondly if your observation skill is good then you literally just see the forms?

>>6929428
>>6929538
>her torso
I think the top would be seen, not the bottom, as the camera is looking down on her

>>6929599
5got pic

>>6929515
no way the perspective on that ribcage is right

>>6929589
You’re the one with the homo thoughts.

>>6929431
right idea but your cubes suck, perspective is way too sharp on the pelvis
>>6929449
close
>>6929460
torso and pelvis are ok, the rest is mostly wrong
>>6929484
maybe
>>6929515
wrong, sloppy
>>6929538
wrong but good exercise
>>6929600
torso right, pelvis wrong

>>6929599

>>6929626
>>6929641
better?

Anybody know how to improve at more complicated watercolor potraits?. Im pretty good when im just using a few colors and some grey for shadow, but copying more complicated photos is tough

source
https://www.google.com/search?q=th3e+world+is+not+enough+christmas&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiOh9aZhLKCAxV22jgGHeJZCIYQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=th3e+world+is+not+enough+christmas&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1C8BFjaEWCAEmgAcAB4AIAB2gSIAZIUkgELMC4yLjQuMi4wLjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=y0BKZc71L_a04-EP4rOhsAg&bih=1001&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU897AU897&hl=en#imgrc=UZ9zENsrE_3rWM

>>6929264
>glowies/chinese get to see your half-naked pics
haha, poor bastards
Alright, will have to bite the bullet, I guess.
Thanks.

>>6928068
oh hey it reminds me of the girl from that one art book

>>6929854
hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>6929854
Is that the secret loli loomis book? is it any good?
Looks a bit outdated for todays styles desu

almost finished
here's the big project thingy i've been working on
i'm going to add other stuff, borders, colour, etc.
but the meat of the figures and clothes and stuff is done
well i have no idea how to draw clothes, so maybe the shirt could be improved

What makes a goos hairstyle
I know nothing about fashion, what makes a hairstyle frame a face well?
I just don't know, if it were up to me I would draw every character with a buzzcut, al pixie cut or a ponytail but I can't. What makes long hair look good, how is the hair supposed to fall on the shoulders?

https://neal.fun/perfect-circle/
I did this with my mouse

>>6929867
I feel like it does a nice job representing the basic shapes of stuff

>>6929428
Here. Excuse the sloppy writing. For subtler poses and more normal, basic poses that aren’t very dynamic or foreshortened, I like to use an egg as the basis for constructing the ribs. This kind of explains how.

After putting a line to show the basic direction/angle of the tilt of the pelvis, I sometimes like to use an egg or cylinder as the first step to place the pelvis. Then I’ll give it corners and edges, making it kind of boxy, to better define its position/orientation. Kind of like what >>6929515
mentioned. Also, if the hips are doing something weird, I’ll sometimes draw “thong straps” to place the iliac crest and inguinal ligament. It’s not as sophisticated as drawing an underwear shape for the pelvis, but it’s a little better than a plain box (sometimes).

Her rib cage is at a subtle angle that’s kind of confusing because all rib cages have tilt built into them, and the neck is lower in front and higher in the back, like a neck hole for a t-shirt. (Also, the front plane of the rib cage is smaller than the back.) To make it easier to draw, you could exaggerate the pose a bit. For example, if you can’t tell whether she’s tilting towards us or away from us, just say “fuck it” and MAKE HER tilt one way or the other. The box is probably the most versatile, but not all constructions work for all models in all poses all the time.

>tl;dr:
>>6929483
This anon knows what the fuck he’s talking about. Underrated post.
>>6929779
How come there’s big goblin dudes and little goblin dudes? They look like the same species, but that little one has tits, lipstick, and piercings, so I don’t think she’s a kid. Also what’s going on here? Who got clobbered with a muffin tin?
>>6929875
Oooh me likey. Nice job.
>>6929893
Wut book? It’s so soulful.
>>6929590
Godspeed
>>6929560
Huh, neat. Your art is very distinct and easy on the eyes. Good job.
>>6929027
Nice Morphos! Better get my ass into gear if I ever hope to catch up!

>>6929893
it's the "loomisy" loli book
hard to find, funnily i'm pretty sure it's completely fine to have since it has artistic purpose/merit

>>6929915
>Underrated post
no. if object have defined position and orientation it can be represented as a box. this is what box represent. when you cant it means you do not know. amount of comfort you experiencing is irrelevant.

got distracted by a bunch of shit that wasn't even close to worth it over the last two weeks. so here i am taking responsibility and getting back on the horse.. everyone best still be having fun with their pencils!

>>6929484
yes it clearly is

>>6929974
love these! this is traditional?

>>6929875
Your drawings are jarring to look at, slop with little to no scructure.

I think I can fix this if I change her tummy when lining
... right guys? Is it fucked?

>>6930026
The only thing that needs fixing is the shoulders

>>6929919
>funnily i'm pretty sure it's completely fine to have
amercans are weirdos

Doodling on good ol pen and paper

>>6929590
>why not first getting social welfare and then draw? literally free money
I've decided that if i end up doing welfare i'm just giving up on everything and doing the barest minimum possible.

eepy sleepy, thoughts?

>>6929854
she is!

>>6929891
Is there something similar for other shapes? Looks like it has a potential as warmup thingy.

>>6930116
why does my drawing look like a loli it wasn't supposed to be a loli

how do these gestures look? Also, can you tell which cats are which?

>>6929919
>i'm pretty sure it's completely fine to have since it has artistic purpose/merit
i think it has nudity in one page but it's pretty vague

>>6929590
kill yourself pawell

>>6930116
>>6930123
make her head smaller to make her look older next time and look at settei of anime girls for the proportions you want. it's cute though

>>6930123
>why does my drawing look like a loli
because Freud was right

a little bit of chibi

mi friend said "There is tension in this pose. It somehow resembles medieval people's scribbles. Perhaps it would be better if her left leg was also in a bend in the likeness of the right" and "It's not the first time I've noticed that you give your characters tense poses that lack harmony"

>>6930116
>eepy
why are you like this?

>>6930116
>eepy sleepy, thoughts?
more like ugly fugly

>>6930116
it's cute but draw the floor

>>6930116
I think you might have struck gold because it's the first time I see tits in a loli type body not looking completely retarded

wtf

>>6929760
You might want to check out this guy's channel. https://youtube.com/@ssavaart?si=F03Ez-Z9-WCUlwD_ He's a dork, but he has a ton of steams of himself doing water color portraits from start to finish so it could be useful

>>6930181
post ref

>>6929915
nice thank you anon, also can't believe there is someone with handwriting as bad as me in here kek

>>6930224
look up half of this thread, silly

how the flying FUCK do you draw a horizontal line
It just wobbles

>>6929590
>First of all if you have reference then you dont need construction.

Wrong. Every artist uses at least a round egg shape for the torso and the pelvis even when drawing from reference, are you retarded?

>And secondly if your observation skill is good then you literally just see the forms?

This is what the anon is trying to do to retard, he tries to break down the torso and pelvis into a 3d form to train his understanding of how the form orients itself in space.

>>6930181
Your color work is kino. Got a blog?

>>6930122
don' think so

>>6930166
you no likey?

https://youtu.be/WLqWX7onVmU?t=2343
any tip on how to get the background he is using or really anything that looks like that? of course i tried to search but i don't even know what i'm supposed to search for exactly

>>6929875
keep up the good work

>>6929915
>How come there’s big goblin dudes and little goblin dudes? They look like the same species, but that little one has tits, lipstick, and piercings, so I don’t think she’s a kid. Also what’s going on here? Who got clobbered with a muffin tin?
Small ones are goblins, medium sized are orcs, and large ones are trolls. An elf got clobbered.

beer, coffee
time
to draw

i am in the zone
that is all
expect greatness

>>6930382
b-both at the same time? Beer and coffee? You scare me anon

you should be scared

anyone else get asmr from the trees rustling in the wind in the last half of some of the vilppu videos?

Drawing this mostly from imagination, anyone wanna give me some tips/resources for how I should continue with the body?

>>6930447
you should continue with the Reilly method

>>6929919
Wait what is it called? I need to know, please. Or name of the illustrator.

>>6930486
I have no idea just ask in the loli thread on this board or ask around for someone who can read the title

>>6930486
I saw it on e-hentai recently, can't remember tags though.

>>6930486
人体と女の子

>>6930486
>>6930493
Found it for you chief.
aHR0cHM6Ly9lLWhlbnRhaS5vcmcvZy8xNTA1Mjk2LzMwNTBiM2IwNzcv
base64

>>6930486
https://web.6parkbbs.com/index.php?app=forum&act=view&bbsid=2032&tid=122890

>>6930299
It's just a scan of a piece of paper, you can just set the background color of your canvas to 20% grey like he says it is (if you're in CSP then see pic). Then you can get back to JUST DRAWing.

bros...
critique pls

>>6930539
keys to drawing

>>6930539
You just flat out don’t know facial anatomy, which you need to efficiently draw portraits.First step is to learn basic shapes of the head. You attempt construction here but it’s very haphazardly done and you aren’t really feeling the form, just drawing your idea of the shape. Put more emphasis on the spherical shape and it’ll be much easier. Secondly study the skull,how it affects the face, and learning the muscles of the face. You got it Anon

>>6930528
Yeah,that's what i did and practiced on. But the paper texture is really nice for me at least.

>>6930539
These are a great start Practice realism but like the other anon said >>6930545 it would help to draw human skills and muscles over them. For now focus on accuracy on your studies and even if your initial sketch or construction is a bit wonky in terms of proportions try to render/ shade out planes of the face, those references have great shadows to add, like what you did on the first head but more

>>6930539
you go into drawing facial features and shading before you even finish construction. imagine arranging furniture and decor before you even built the fucking house. pure ADHD riddled nonsense. heres an exercise: try to imagine loomis looking over your shoulder and critiquing you when you do construction

I HATE COPYING PHOTO REFERENCES
I HATE COPYING PHOTO REFERENCES
I HATE COPYING PHOTO REFERENCES
>try to quickly copy the photo into more cartoonish/animeish style because felt like I cannot really draw figures for shit
>faces endlessly look mannish
>bodies are inaccurate
>can't get sizes and proportions right
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I drew several pictures that I'm more or less proud off, but they were always the animesque stuff with crappy bodies. I felt like I was actually improving until I got stuck trying to draw a more difficult pose. God damn it all. I would try to just use ref to get a general idea, but who knows for how long I can bullshit my way through that stuff.
I need a break.

>>6930571
you just need to retake shoulders 101

did vilppu legs today

>>6930539
other anons say lots of words and >>6930541 solves most of em, ktd perfect fit here

>>6930545
>>6930559
Oh, alright, that makes sense, so I just approach it the same way I do anatomy and figure drawing. Looking back idk why the fuck I threw in the fire all my knowledge of construction the second I approached a new subject.

>>6930563
true, I concede

>>6930582
Nice legs anon

>>6930033
Okay thanks I did not even consider those!

>>6930580
Oh really, just the shoulders?

>>6930648
It's the only part I see where there's fundamental errors that would benefit from study, everything else is practise.

>>6930651
I see.
Well, I rediscovered the iterative drawing thing by Sycra, might as well try it out while doing studies.
Thanks

>>6930662
Sycra has some good videos

enough feet, some torsos this time

both hands from imagination

>>6930672
>enough feet
but will you ever stop hiding your hands tho

>>6930539
10 years of pain and suffering for you, or go to NMA

>>6930688
this is a torso exercise
hands will be the next topic

>>6929398
I tried...

>>6929213
Doesn't Aaron Blaise focus on traditional painting, digital painting, and charcoal? Anyway, no

>>6929216
Yea, I should, usually I don't. Also, I was thinking about getting one of those 2-hole sharpners that require you to sharpen the wood at first, and then the core. Would that be a better way? I hope that knife and sandpaper is not the best way...

>>6930672
How do you study and practice? This is really good

I've onced again redone, a redo of a face practice. Took the suggestion of no symmetry tool. Will say I did use it for the eye shape, to not have it be lopsided. Everything else done freehanded, along with fixing up the eye shape.

>>6930708
With previous versions.

>>6930705
for the male figures I look for refs on Pinterest like pic rel
the female figures are some doodles from myself since 90% of what I draw are females
I choose a topic to study and fill in the canvas as a way to practice
For me, I find it more productive to practice body parts separately, and I keep a good anatomy book nearby to refer to.

>>6929428
I tried 3 times and this pose still filters me

Can't get the idea of drapery.

>>6930736
try 300 times

beginner artist here, i'd like to draw anime and while ive drawn off and on as a hobby ive ultimately not made a lot of progress. I have a lot more free time now so I'd like to start from scratch. Are there any classes I could take to help me reach my goal. Uploaded pic is doodle I made recently. I dont hate it, but my consistency is trash, and I was only confident enough to draw a floating head... which took me hours to draw.

>>6930786
NMA

>>6930768
Sounds like retarded advice aimed to cause burnout, no thanks

>>6929415
Uhhhh, source for your pic?

first time being somewhat happy about something I made purely from imagination, I know it's bad but it actually resembles something (i think) as opposed to before

>>6930502
Bro! Thank you.

>>6929951
nice work anon

>>6930172
/beg/ newfriend here, I keep seeing mean comments like this directed toward art that is usually actually decent or pretty good. What's the big deal? Is this that 'crab' stuff I keep hearing about?

>>6930672
>>6930692
Are you drawing this from reference or imagination?
Anyway looks really nice

>>6929428

>>6930864
nice

>>6930503
>>6930501
Thanks a bunch.

Not sure if this is even much to work off of but I was wondering if my style could use some work? And yeah I know I can draw whatever I want but I was wondering if there's anything that could make it more...eye-catching? Sorry if this is the wrong thread,

>>6930873
thanks, the hands and male figures are from images I found on pinterest
the females figures are from imagination

>>6930563
This is a great exercise lmao. Now when I do perspective I’m gonna imagine Marshall Vandruff looking over my shoulder

>>6930896
would be more helpful if you posted a finished piece

>>6929398
My copy of "Drawing the Female Figure" by Hikaru Hayashi finally came in and I started reading it. I tried my hand at the suggested sketching process, though I fucked up the pelvis and head orientations. I plan to go through the whole book since it has exactly what I'm wanting to learn aside from detailed anatomy.

>>6930672
>>6930692
Been watching your stuff for awhile now, anon. Big fan and hope to get on that level some day.

Hello beg. LOOMIS! And 10 euro comm lmao.

>>6930864
a bit too blocky for my taste yet it is appealing and simple
>>6930863
there are many different types of crabs, you cannot sum them all up into 1 behavior type. But 1 thing is certain: i am yet to see a single crab to post his work. The most deadly crabs are the ones giving you intentionally wrong advice
>>6930786
>classes
you can either go the efficient route (art books: keys to drawing, bridgman...) or the hand holding route (video courses: proko, vilppu...)
>inb4 but i wanna do anime
fundies are the same no matter what degen content you want to draw like anime or furry
>>6930758
https://archive.org/details/The_Natural_Way_To_Draw_by_Kimon_Nicolaides/page/123
while this book is all sorts of meh, it is quite good at explaining drapery + its training exercises for it
>>6930699
at this point i think the very medium you are using is holding you back. switch from pencils to ink and get yourself cheap watercolors for extra tones (or the water color pencils)
>>6930539
keys to drawing
>>6930253
scot robertson told me to learn how to draw straight line in ANY angle and then just rotate canvas. Brent Eviston told me to be patient and train all angles equally. And many other art books said that straight lines arent needed for art or that there are tools like rulers. Pick your poison
>>6930160
medieval people would sacrifice their mother for that perspective skills. nonetheless your friend was right: her pose is unnatural and stiff
>>6930124
solid cats but this isnt gesture
>>6930075
nice shota
>>6929884
just steal fashion magazines for gays / women and draw what you see there. you can also steal old magazines from archive for that 70ties looks
>>6929760
Zbukvic Mastering Atmosphere and Mood in Watercolor

>>6930875
as >>6929641 pointed out, the hips are tilted forward ~45 degrees in an upright position. so based on the slightly backward tilt of her body I think her hips would actually be more or less straight from our eye level. would be happy for other anons to chime in though.

>>6930931
>~45 degrees
to qualify, 45 is too much, but it's between 45 and 0

I originally colored this but it looked so fucking bland. I remember reading that lighting has such an influence on your colors looking flat, but still I don't know where to go with this. Kms.

>>6930958
start by deleting the soft round brush

>>6930961
I didn't color with that brush, I did this so i could force myself to do big sweeps for light practice. This was my color attempt.

unironically does it ever get easier? i have to draw and rotate boxes manually 90% of the time to get my shit in correct perspective, does it ever get to a point where you can do it in your head and don't need to do that?

>>6930928
slow learner id prolly need "the hand holding route". I need a video course that I can follow easy and isnt too wordy. I'm not worried about classes not being anime themed as long as i can use the lessons for what i want to draw. thank you for responding to this btw.

>>6930966
you may get some crabs here that say no, and others who say yes. there are plenty of skilled artists online you can find who have said it does get easier. ultimately, though, you have to take it on faith that that is the case if you want to get to that point. just gonna put in the hours.

I've learned that I draw better when I turn the pressure settings on my brush off.
Gives it more of an MSPaint style, which I like.

>>6931016
Pretty good anon, one cool challenge you could try is using as few continuous lines as possible to make the same pose, no time limit, give it a try if you have time.

>>6930920
keep up the good work anon

>>6930966
Yes it does get easier, at least boxes and the general way 3D space behaves has become more automatic and less calculation based as time as has gone on. It'll become easier to just make one or two lines and then extrapolate intuitively where things are meant to go in relation to each other. It's normal for it to feel like your cognitive gears are grinding. Pace yourself, but keep pushing and it'll become instinctive like language.

>>6930880
>>6930928
thx. Bite my round meaty ass

>>6930928
He didn't reply to me pointing his retardism out again, sad! Unironically get of this general, you constantly give shitty and bad advice to new begs.

>>6931016
What was your goal here? Was there a time limit? Provide more information when posting something.

If it's just a copyin simplified forms then you did a pretty bad job.

Try to trace the reference first and draw in cylinders for the limbs, eggshape or box shape for the torso and pelvis, and add depth to it in forms of landmarks.

>>6931016
copy bridgman, be more mindful for example look at the overlap between the left forearm and the upperarm that little detail is very important to make it readable. With time and practice you will make it.

>>6929398
>Begin to do some fundie studies to achieve my dream of reaching pro or at least high /int/
>Be reminded of how much of a failure I am at life (Can't find a job, can't drive, no gf, dad thinks I'm literally retarded and even told me not to go to a job interview the other day bc he thought I wouldn't be able to handle the job)
Just gotta keep drawing, I guess. Also still applying for jobs

>>6930699
Aaron Blaise is worth checking out if you have interest in animal drawing. Also you slightly changed the perspective on the study you posted. Closer eye is too low, far head is too high. Makes it seem like the vantage point is more above the subject

What should I do?

>>6929398
Kek, that might be my favourite thing to come out of beg in a while

Anyway forced myself to get back into sketching in between some meetings

>>6931200
Oops forgot to attach

needs some critique

>>6931209
Pussy seems too far up. Maybe her hips altogether need to be adjusted upward a bit. It seems out of perspective, like it's facing us dead on and pasted there rather than connected to the rest of her.

Finally finished up my 2nd Month of learning to draw

Things are going well I think, i'm trying to focus more on original creations rather than constantly copying or doing studies

There are some jumps because I didn't save every practice I did because they were just fundamental stuff, but there were like 3 or 4 days where I didn't draw out of frustration towards myself

Anyways, hope to see you guys for Month 3

>>6930863
it's just bantz

>>6931201
wow woo wee wa

I made god

As it turns out, Gunbuster begins in 2023...

im proud of this art copy i made.

>>6930021
>trad
nah, though recently picked up a proper sketchbook and carte crayon to toy with, slowly getting to grips with it. usually just sketching in csp with a pencil brush though, digital is my main focus. thanks!

>>6931250
soul soul
>>6931209
not sure on the perspective of the chair. we can see the top and a lot of the seat so we're looking down, but the "foot" isn't foreshortened accordingly, and if she has her back and head against the backrest, we should also be looking down at the top of her head. can easily fix by removing the perspective of the chair and just having her recline in it as-is
>>6931201
love the visible strokes
>>6931192
what do you want to learn?
>>6930124
don't know enough cats to know the breeds but they for sure have a lot of action. bottom left looks like it's playing, not sure if that's what you were going for. also top-right in particular looks like a dog to me, but maybe that's just the breed. good good though keep it up
>>6931251
nice

>>6931273
Holy SOVL

>>6931270
good job but dont copy beg tier art that has a left hand on a right arm

>>6930963
Here's a paintover I did, I kept it in grayscale at first and I did some simple gradient mapping to get some colors in there.

>>6931291

>>6931294
Thank you, but this doesn't help, the drawing itself is still monochromatic. How can i bring dynamic color to this image, how can i show what the color of a shadow on skin looks like compared to the skin in high light? Because just putting black airbrush obviously looks like shit.

>>6931250
>Spends a whole month sketching digitally like shit
>Tries to do it on pen and it suddenly feels better.

I think I'll try sketching on paper and finishing digitally during my training. Is it okay?

>>6931300
allow me to help you sir

I'm having a psychotic break right now I'm talking to a wooden figure in my room and pretend it's my dead grandpa while drawing angels help

>>6931317
You should take a break. Drink some water, take a nap. Count backwards from ten slowly while taking deep breaths.

some crud from today

>>6931317
sounds like more fun than I'm having honestly

installed krita for the first time, stumbled through the controls, drew for 6 hours straight with a mouse. how'd i do given all that? it's for a /qst/ i'm writing

>>6931300
After gradient mapping, you can add an overlay layer to block further colors in.

Also, painting in color is (I have personally found) exponentially more difficult than pure grayscale, it would help if you learned how to control basic planes first in grayscale before attempting to do it in color.

I left the brushstrokes unblended in this case to show you what I mean about the planes (AKA painting sculpturally); if you look at any process video for portraits / still life / figure painting, etc, a lot of people will normally begin by trying to sculpt out the largest possible blocks of form first, before finely blending everything together / before getting into hardcore rendering.

These are only my personal findings with what little time I've spent painting.

>>6931300
If you do insist on painting in color immediately, it's essential that you can take any color that you see and convert it into the equivalent grayscale value - painting in color is no different from grayscale, but the hue and saturation affect the value in various ways.

Blue for example is inherently darker and yellow is inherently brighter, and because of that I will often check the actual values of my painting by switching the entire image over to grayscale, since the actual value of a given color can be quite deceiving.

With that having been said, the fact that you can check your painting (by switching it to grayscale) also makes painting in color become very similar to painting in grayscale, in that you are sculpting basic forms and planes which describe some three-dimensional surface - but one of the biggest learning curves with trying to paint in color is learning how to control the hue and saturation to end up with the correct value that you want, i.e. learning how to see colors as value.

>>6931336
Thank you, image is very helpful

drew a girl at the kava cafe. she liked it.

>>6931300

Not to beat a dead horse, but I recommend starting with grayscale primitives like the sphere and cylinder to get used to the idea of each brushstroke contributing to the building up of a three-dimensional form, and after you feel comfortable enough doing that, you can apply the same principle to doing still life, which again goes back to the simplest possible three-dimensional forms that you can possibly render/paint, but with the addition of hue and saturation.

Every other imaginable form that you could possibly want to paint in color such as the deltoids or the abdominals or portraits, all of these rely on the ability to, in some sense, be able to treat the individual colors that you lay in as a strip of papier-mâché which slowly causes a three-dimensional surface / shape / volume to emerge (with each brushstroke being a single strip of papier-mâché, as it were)

>>6930807
>>6930807
drawing needs to be like eating and sleeping, you need to do it, i just misunderstood your goal and assumed you were trying to become worldclass

>>6930501
>>6930502
arigathanks

Why yes I'm gonna post my best piece again.


Forgive your foes. Forgive yourself, forgive the world. Forgiveness is the strongest power to reach god.

>>6931414
But you need to teach it. Forgiveness without teaching is worthless! You need to let them know why you forgive them and plant the seed of forgiveness into them by that.

Every time I sketch then come back to it a few hours later it sucks why

Med's Map week 2
First painting is me following along with the video, second painting is a day later on my own trying to remember the process

>>6931456
thats a good thing, keep going. the reason is you get used to looking at the picture and you dont notice mistakes

>>6931464
Any way to train my eye to see it earlier? Or just draw and learn more

>>6931470
zoom out
flip your canvas

>>6931471
I am zooming out, but I should flip my canvas more Thank you

>>6929483
>intuitively
anon my brain is brokey there is no intuition

>>6931084
that you, redlining moai-anon? do you have a handle or something? you're one of the few posters giving life to the board

I call this piece "Just draw".

>>6930928
Based mass replier
>i think the very medium you are using is holding you back
I was partially thinking the same. I wish I could see the process of the artworks I like...

>>6931155
I will check it, but what I mean is that my concern was more about the technique/style than animal drawing. In the previous thread I showed more examples

I lost my good pencil so I had to use a 7mm HB. Sucks ass let me tell ya

>>6931479
soul

>>6931479
You're allowed to have sentient thoughts while just drawing.

>>6931356
Where are the images in the top row from?

>>6931539
tank ye
>>6931556
my pen absorbs all my thoughts
it's like I get inspired to make something but as soon as I pick up that fucking pen my mind is completely numb and empty again for the next week

>>6930928
>this isnt gesture
I want to know Pawell's definition of gesture.

fuck, shoulders are awful to figure out. Their connection to the torso aren't perfect circles, so I cannot take on that purely mathematically, if you get me.

>>6931578
Shoulders are not fused to the ribcage.

>>6931581
Yeah, that's what makes figuring out different angles so difficult. I have ref side-by-side and I still cannot draw it correctly.

>>6931386
pyw so I see that worldclass skill drawing the same gesture 300 times got you

>>6931597
never said i was, take a look around, you think the pros drew a pose 3 times and said "im filtered"? more like 3 decades.

okay someone tell me how to fucking hold my hand with a screenless drawing tablet flat on the table. Do i hold my elbow and whole forearm parallel with the tablet and slide it around; do i hold my arm in an angle and have my elbow in the air but move my whole arm with my shoulder?

>>6931623
I rest my palm on the tablet with my elbow in the air, also holding the pen very lightly

>>6931619
The fuck are you giving out advice for if thats the case? Go touch grass and draw

>>6931623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riD8Xt8r1MQ
and have your tablet centered infront of you.

>>6931648
nobody asked for advice the first post was some dude getting filtered by a pose

>>6931660
Even worse, you're a nodraw self-assessed beg who didn't post work and you're giving out bad, unsolicited advice
That's textbook crab lmao

>>6931666
>my actual face watching you seethe over nothing

love you, keep moving forward

>>6931666
>do you have a licence that

>>6931666
>do you have a licence for that

>>6931685
Mfw someone tells me to draw loomis head 300 times

it's so over bros..
i don't know what to draw or how to get better..
give me a request to draw

>Hurray I drew 250 boxes
>Now I can draw whatever I want

HOW TO HOLD PEN? with a drawing tablet do I use my shoulder to draw? theres no tablet THAT big

>>6931750
Well depends. But you wanna try using your entire arm for those longer strokes so they are more.. confident i guess? You can use your wrist for smaller details since theres not much motion

>>6931769
hmm what about the pen grip

>>6931578
I think I might getting onto something, but damn, I suck at it.

>>6931779
have a firm grip on your pen but loose enough to make comfortable strokes yknow? dont death grip your pen lol

>>6931785
It's too big compared to shoulders imo

>>6931792
You mean the torso? Maybe, I wasn't looking at proportions.

Haven't done shit the entitre weekend and woke up at 3pm.
Why do i even bother thinking about maybe doing it when i never fucking do even though i have free time up to my ass and no other responsibilities whatsoever.
I should kill myself.

I still haven’t drawn.

>>6931750
tripod grip is your only reasonable option with a screenless. make sure you have one of the larger tablets [30cm minimum] else there's literally no point over traditional instead. 30cm is easily enough to draw with shoulder, just takes practice to get the control. swap between tablet and trad as you learn just to switch it up every now and then and help feel things out faster. lots of shoulder drawing tutorials for trad say it's fine to rest your hand on the pad as long as you don't put weight on it, but in my experience the grippier plastic of a tablet creates a lot of extra friction and fucks up any finer movements you make if you put the side of your hand down, so try to keep as much of it up as you can. i rest on my little finger's knuckle and nothing else, although that's on a screen tablet, can't speak for anyone else. gl!

What’s the best way to integrate your gender identity into your art?

>>6931809
just b urself and it will show

>>6931809
By drawing

You guys probably get posts like this all the time in these threads but is it possible to learn to draw?
Is it something you have to be born with and build on over time or can anyone become good with enough time and effort?
If anyone can learn to draw, where should i begin? I just feel lost with where to actually begin? should i just start drawing stuff and go from there?
I kind if feel like im wasting time by attempting to draw and I beat myself up when I actually try to sketch

>>6931851
no man you have to be a genius to even legally touch a pencil and if you're not a master by the age of 5, believe it or not, straight to jail.

read the sticky and keep failing until you succeed

>>6931785
Just simplify. The "ribcage square" is a simplification which includes the shoulders. Without the shoulders the ribcage would just be an oval.

>>6931851
yes, anyone can learn but you actually have to want to learn, study, take notes, watch lectures and put in the hours of work. think about the pro athletes, how many hours do you think they spent practicing to make the team and then practicing for the big game. just keep drawing. consciously evolve your skills, don't go unconscious about your studies or effort

>>6931851
If you wanted to draw you would already be drawing.

>>6931851
unironically drawing on the right side of the brain is the exact book for you, though i have to admit 5 out of 6 books talk about talent. but only right brain spends excessive amount of pages on that topic.

tldr if you have enough IQ for writing and reading then you have all you need to learn how to draw as well.

I'm not drawing porn, I'm studying anatomy and perspective

>>6931741
god this is so me and i hate it i hate it i hate it
i wish i could just draw what i want.
they aren't even good boxes either.
where's the hand-holding tutorial on 250 furry porns.

>>6931973
Toss the tapering brushes.

>>6931975
you and i both know that i don't know what that word means

i copied again. spent lots of time on the head but decided to roughly sketch the body after.

I really want to stop being a nodraw but i've failed every time i tried to get regular with it.
I reslly do want to do it but i just end up procastrinating every day until its been three months without a single drawing made.
Any tips or should i just give up?

>>6931988
I'm in a situation where I'm not really putting any effort into drawing but I can't quit either. Quitting, recognizing that you wasted your time, is not easy. It's much easier to half heartedly pursue your dreams knowing full well you'll never achieve them. I have no answer for you but keep what I said in mind.

>>6931988
>three months without a single drawing made.
rookie numbers. you'll be fine.

>>6932002
I've been at this for three years now anon.
I get into a week+ of "productivity" and then do nothing for a long time.
I've probably put in less than 100 hours total.
I don't do anything of value. This is as close as i've gotten to having a goal in life beyond just toil and hedonism.

>>6932025
Oh you're just like me then.
In fact... a little too like me.. hmm.
Lmk if you have a eureka moment, cause I can't help myself in this case either.

Reminder that perseverance is a talent and you either have it or you don't look

>>6931414
love me some Jesus

>got into art school, but they're refusing to let me take classes in painting
Portrait I did in gouache earlier. took maybe an hour? How do I make this look better

>>6932025
what does productivity look like?
I draw what and whenever, but it happens nearly everyday. I dont care about finishing things, I dont have an audience to please, I dont plan on making it. I just draw, I enjoy figuring things out.

Done

>>6932054
Also available in nostalgiavision

>>6932050
>what does productivity look like?
50/50 of going through beginner books and drawing for fun.
I get pissed off when i draw for fun because i can never draw anything i want because my skill level is too low.
My peak productivity is like two hours a day too. Its awful.

>>6932046
Show reference if any.

>>6932058
gave up on a likeness fairly early on. I'm just not happy with how the paint looks.

>>6932057
Draw at your skill level :)

>>6931317
id listen to the other anons about 'taking a break'. I will admit that thanks to my old man doing the same, I too tend to just talk to nothing about bullshit as a way to vent. Dont do it often in my house but I do it alot in my car and lately to my late father, happens more often when im feeling blue or when a Queen song starts to play. Interesting wooden figure, reminds me of the figurines my grandparents had but now sadly lost to time.
>>6931479
unironically looks like an eyeball, id keep doing some ovals and make some neeto eyeballs.
>>6931809
my hyperfocus lately is my dnd elf so im already half way there drawing faggots.

>>6931980
Good, now do it from memory

I genuinely hate drawing

>>6929398
when people say to learn gesture drawing, what is the best way to do that? Do you draw a stick figure, a mix of stick and boxes, ellipses, or sculp out of the form with one big box? I don't know what is the best construction form to begin with

What are you drawing today anon?

>>6932133
Robots

>>6932132
Gesture and construction are very much not the same exercise.
Gesture is about motion of the pose and the speed and efficiency of your markmaking. Can you squiggle out a recognizable drawing in a few lines and 40 seconds?

>>6932151

>>6932132
Construction is about making firm decisions about everything.
Precision and cleanliness are what you're practicing there.
One informs the other but they're separate exercises.

30 second gesture drawings, any advice? don't hold back please, am I doing it right and should just continue or should I change something

>>6932151
>>6932153
>>6932158
I see, thanks

>>6931741

Do you rike?

>>6932054
>>6932055
Good shit. I’m sorry to ask the eternal beg questions, but which brushes do you generally use for lines? Also is there a specific way you chose to have those red/blue terminators (shadow borders)?
I never really drew mecha myself (yet), do you go the imaginative route, or rely a lot on refs?

>>6932177
Take them further. Read Vilppu’s drawing manual for some good ideas on gestural drawing. Gesture is really about getting down the idea (action) of the figure fast, so you can attach the structural (anatomy) elements as needed.
Prolong your time of each drawing. Do an initial light pass, then do a second pass of the drawing where you thoughtfully place thicker, stronger lines (i.e. outlines, overlaps, occlusions…) With enough process, gestures can become thumbnails for further ideas; the foundations you can then use to make a detailed piece.

>>6932064
Do you want to try copying it again with my edit? I used two curve layers with an inverted mask, one to bump up the lights, and one to darken the shadows, so as to bring out the planes of the head so that you can see them more clearly.

>>6931851
What do you want to draw anon? What are your art goals? If you haven't already, find those first.

How do i gesture draw.

>>6930812
looks like yanineko but I'm not 100 percent on it

I'm not going to draw today. I don't even know what should i be drawing.
Maybe i should ust give up on it altogether.

>>6932337
Don't be a pussy and just draw

>>6932230
They didn't rike...

>>6932339
What do i draw. I have no ideas of my own.

>>6932349
What are your art goals? Why did you want to start drawing in the first place?

>>6932349
if there's nothing you want to draw then why do you even want to learn to draw?

>>6929398
>Your first step in figure drawing is learning your basic shapes that make up a figure. A vest shape for the chest, underwear shape for the pelvis, and so on. And draw a proportion diagram.
So I just draw dozens of figures using pic related as a template? Or just draw the shapes themselves? The david fincher guide makes me think I dont even draw stick figures at all.

>>6932354
>>6932355
Cool looking humans in dynamic poses or creepy spooks.
Above my skill level so dont have anything i want to draw rn that id or ever will be drawable.

>>6932281
> which brushes do you generally use for lines?
I usually use ink type pens with a modest amount of texture but this time I just used a round hard brush since it seems most of other artists just use that. For the painting used a round brush as well and the smudge tool for softening some edges.

> Also is there a specific way you chose to have those red/blue terminators (shadow borders)?
Sorry,I cheated. I applied chromatic aberration on the key shadow layer(notice how is more notorious on the edges of the picture) then adjusted the values a little.

>do you go the imaginative route, or rely a lot on refs?
I use a lot of refences (pic related mostly in this casse) in general but I always try to draw on my own stuff. (no tracing or copy). This drawing fucked me over because this iconic pose its physically imposible to do as its portrayed in the source material without the arms clipping.

>>6932368
just draw it anyway, youll get better
if you really dont want to then just do studies

>>6932380
How do i do studies though.
Just like, work with a book?

study for this morning

>>6932145
Can I get critique on the tits? I don't like them very much

>>6932394
the nipples are too big, nasty

>>6932382
alexhays(.)com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf
From the sticky
It's a place to start. Don't give up.

>>6932230
cute

>>6932403
is it okay if i do it digitally or is it like Drawabox?

>>6932388
>study
what did you learn?

>>6932443
some colors, some shapes, the usual, right?

>>6932426
Do whatever feels comfortable to you. Drawing doesn't have to feel like a set of tasks. Just have fun at your own pace.

>>6932468
I have decision paralysis but alright.

To be honest, My goals are kind of vauge. Mainly just want to draw knights, dragons and fantasy stuff. i kind of just want to draw for fun. Always used to draw as a kid but never improved much.

>>6932298
>>6932529

>>6932529
uh, okay?

>>6931478
Not him. Sorry

>>6931857
Maybe, but I'm trying to figure out the actually moving parts of the shoulders, unless I'm being retarded and whole thing actually moves

>>6932553
Whole thing moves. The shoulder blade is not fused to the ribcage either. only connection is through the collarbone to the pit of the neck.

>>6932145
>>6932394
I think the boobs are too high, the boobs are attached to the pecs so when the arm is raised it follows the flow of the pecs under the delt

>>6932567
So I have to do more research, fantastic...
Thanks

>>6932580
Thanks based anon

>>6932388
I'm not a pro at rendering or anything so take this with a grain of salt, but you can take certain areas of the human anatomy and generate more visual interest by blocking out larger planes / more distinctive shapes.

In this case, I used an upside-down-triangular-hourglass looking thing to show the serratus anterior which causes the form to "pop out" more at the viewer (especially visible when you zoom out / look at it from the thumbnail view)

It definitely deviates from the reference / deviates from being anatomically correct, but if you're ever interested in more stylized forms of rendering (or just want to play around with light / shadow shape design), this is a technique you can use.

>>6932091
and that, my friend, is the mindset that stuck me with drawing boxes forever

Just some arm studies. Realized i need to work on fists. gmi

Where are some gesture drawing resources?

I'm starting my practice again tomorrow. Wish me luck.

>>6932664
good luck man. Make sure you enjoy whatever you decide to draw. Dont get stressed out

From imagination. Critiques welcome.

>>6932619
Really digging those big meaty legs

>>6932706
>>6932706
new
>>6932706
>>6932706

>>6932622
yeah I need to do some of those styliation/simplification exercises to be honest. For this one, though, I was mainly focused on trying to capture the softness of the forms.

>>6932529
then just draw

>>6932096
>unironically looks like an eyeball
It fucking does not it looks like the product of years of drawing attempts leading to absolutely nothing.

>>6932535
Okay. So do you have a handle?

>>6931902
who made this shitty /beg/trap chart

What looks off about this? It looks like something off a 12 year old's deviantart.

Also, where do I learn how anime artist render? I'm terrified that the people I live with will get "HOW TO DRAW CUTE ANIME GIRLS LEARN CUTE ANIME GIRL DRAWINGS TODAY!" ads so I've been avoiding youtube and pinterest.

>>6933340
do you share a computer or something? just use private browsing or a vpn or something if you're really paranoid.

>>6933344
I don't share a computer with anyone but I've noticed that even when I use invidious or private browsing to search something, I'll still suffer the anime or art advertisements on my phone.

I don't know if it's an issue with the videos or perhaps I may subconsciously scroll slower when I see an anime girl. I try going on non weeb-ish boards to throw off the algorithm but nothing works.

If it's that I scroll slower when fronted with anime girls, I could try compartmentalization or existence-wide larping to trick the algorithm to thinking I'm different people by tricking my own psyche. The thought of having induced multiple personality disorder just to draw cute anime girls seems like a lot of effort. I was hoping for maybe a book that's been translated or a mega full of video tutorials.

>>6933353
check the video course and art book threads

>>6931209
Huh, I really like this. The colours you use give it a Mucha-esqu lithograph look

Blog? Would love to know if there's anything you did to achieve that effect.

>>6930896
Just preference but stronger outline and brighter terminal line in your shading. Maybe some very light spray pen for some subsurface scattering on the skin.

Blog?