/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6930047
>Consumers genuinely do not give a fuck about the quality of art.
Are you talking about bored, random viewers that just want to fap or actual commissioners, looking to spend money on artwork they love?


Your high social media numbers are meaningless if you can't monetize them.

>>6930048
I have seen absolute dogshit novel ai prompters get commissioned simply because they got the most views, likes and followers.

Also there already a fuckton of fags that pretend their shit is hand drawn while obviously using AI.

how many threads is this nigger faggot going to make

>>6930047
>Being a /g/ promptman who is new to the art social media game
Delusional to assume proompters understand anything about art at all. You only understand post likes and social media engagement.
>Consumers genuinely do not give a fuck about the quality of art.
Which is something that was already happening at least one or two centuries before AI was even a thing in the books.
Congratulations, you discovered lukewarm water, dimwit.
>Honestly, I feel sorry for you guys I really do.
And I honestly feel sorry over the fact I wasted my energy on a bait like this. 5/10.

>>6930047
>Some of you are throwing pearls before swine that only deserve to eat slop.
Sure, but the "coonsoomers" needn't be worried about, because they'd have never really engaged with your work, or any of your financial ventures to any extent. People who are actually invested in art, and who'd spend money on it, will notice and appreciate actual art, these are the ones to be concerned about. So far it appears commissions, merch sales, jobs and so forth, not of that has gone down... so far, at least.

So I don't think the phenomena you've noticed means anything, but that doesn't mean that things won't get worse later on.

>>6930048
There's plenty of AI prompters raking in cash on patreon. There's even plenty of AIfags selling on jap doujin sites like dlsite and fanza

>>6930047
>>Fags on social media either bot their shit for likes and visibility
>or
>>Consumers just love to eat shit and got the attention span of a goldfish, they want to look at more different art that is just "good enough" in their eyes instead of one high-quality piece that took hours upon hours to make.
It's both though and you just discovered boiled water.

>>6930058
>People who are actually invested in art, and who'd spend money on it, will notice and appreciate actual art, these are the ones to be concerned about.
see
>>6930060

Lot of you seem to be looking for that one person that will spent obscene sums for a commission while some prompter simply shits outs more slop faster and makes the same amount if not more money by going for quantity instead of quality.

>>6930051
>>6930060
(Citation needed)

I wish my laptop was good enough for this AI shit.

>>6930066
https://www.patreon.com/AlyxiaAI
https://www.patreon.com/artkoikoi
https://www.patreon.com/Spairk1313
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=89275168
https://www.patreon.com/Kisara146

these are just random users that actually show the member/pay numbers

and here's dlsite. I'm not bothering with fanza since you need a vpn for that but it's the same
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/fsr/=/language/jp/sex_category%5B0%5D/male/keyword/AI-Generated/order%5B0%5D/trend/options_and_or/and/per_page/30/page/1/from/fs.header

>>6930079
>https://www.patreon.com/artkoikoi
>2000$ a month for using the anime screenshot model badly
>Zero photoshop edits to fix hands or anything

Jesus christ.

>it's true
Fuck.

Well, I thank you OP for pointing that out for me. I'm at a level where I can sell regular commissions fine, but I'm definitely adding AI learning to my todo list.

>>6930079
actually scratch the dlsite one that's mostly voice asmr. I think they actually cracked down on a lot of AI stuff but fanza is plagued with it

I did find these though
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG01002175.html
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG01007289.html
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG01002065.html
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG70757.html

>>6930082
It is just under minimum minimum wage in the uk, but for proompting thats pretty good money

>>6930047
If your goal is selling art, likes mean nothing if none of the people commission you.

>>6930047
>>6930051
>>6930079
it's over....

there's also people like this that do slight touchups and don't admit to using AI
https://twitter.com/Kisou00
https://www.patreon.com/Kisou

but there's for sure many more people that use AI to a much more subtle extent

>>6930096
there was an AI patreon making over 5k a month with one of the goals being prompt commissions I wish I could find them again but the /ic/ archive seems to be down

>>6930063
Ah well, I'll stand by my points in a more general sense. There's still going to be some coomsoomers who spend money, but I'd still argue these people make up a small part for most artists actual monetisable fan base.
Sort of like the difference between high fashion brands and the clothes you buy at a general store.

>>6930100
>https://twitter.com/Kisou00
desu at least they fix their slop up but you can still easily tell it's AI from the hands

>>6930047
>Consumers genuinely do not give a fuck about the quality of art.
I've noticed most AI enthusiasts who don't actually use AI themselves are redditoresque normies or turbo coomers. They're the type of people who pre-AI were more impressed by traced 3D models of a buff guy punching a wall vs someone's slightly wonky freehand drawing of the same thing. Same boat as people who think realistic photocopy portrait = the peak of art!!!1! I think the type of autist who buys stuff like anime figures and watches niche streamers aren't subscribing to these AI artists, and there's still a decent amount of them even though most of them are poorfags.

>>6930117
>I think the type of autist who buys stuff like anime figures
>most of them are poorfags.
>buyfags
>poor

lol those autists got monster rigs with 4090s as well and they can gen AI shit themselves now so why would they pay for it?

>>6930125
The regular ones, not the ones with hundreds of figures. Look at the average account on myfigurecollection. Do you think an 100k salary is the norm in the US too?

A lot of it boils down to that intangible "appeal." I'll see two artists who draw similar things - fanart of similar properties or original art in similar styles, similar themes, similar compositions, and while one artist will do it better in an objective sense, like more accurate perspective, better anatomy, more accurate capturing of the character models or whatever, etc, but the "better" artist will struggle to get any engagement, while the worse artist is flooded with comments and likes (or whatever the site uses as a single click interaction). These people literally don't see the backward hands, the haphazardly drawn backgrounds, the misshapen limbs, or that one hand has five fingers and the other only four.
And in the eyes of the average social media normalfag, a lot of stock anime picture shitters capture the essence of that appeal. You might notice all the fuckups and find the image offputting and repulsive even at a glance, but they literally don't see these issues unless you point them out, because they're so overwhelmed by the "appeal." And even if you do, they'll probably just write them off, because again, ir appeals to them on a fundamental level, like slurping raw sugar. The consolation is that 90% of these people weren't going to pay for art anyway, so their obsession with animu titty sloppers and haha Goku cook pastor doesn't really impact you, outside of this:
>>6930051
The fact that even among commissioners, your perceived popularity makes a huge impact on people's impression of you, your art, and your worthiness of pay. Of course a lot of buyers look past this, but some will see your follower count, like count, comment count, etc, and allow that to influence how much they like the artist's work and even how likely they are to follow.

>>6930167
And why AIshit accounts getting followers impacts you, is because as sites are increasingly flooded with it, it makes it harder for any individual account to really gain traction, especially if AIshit accounts are getting followers to the point that website algorithms start promoting their images over yours. Honestly I don't know how somebody starting an art twitter account from scratch in 2023 has much hope of making it, unless they're springboarding off of an existing following or name from elsewhere. At least Pixiv has the option of disabling AIshit from showing up in your algorithm suggestions, but even then I doubt most users (outside of artists) bother with it.

>Consumers just love to eat shit and got the attention span of a goldfish, they want to look at more different art that is just "good enough" in their eyes instead of one high-quality piece that took hours upon hours to make.
You came pretty close to hitting on a truth here.
The reality, though, is much gayer and bleaker. Sure, normies don't notice mangled hands, but hell, a lot of human artists mangle hands. Meanwhile, quite a bit of AI has solved quibbling issues like the hand problem.
Some AI is quite convincing, in fact. Artists have had to grudgingly concede the hand-mangling argument, the fidelity argument.

Look, what I'm getting at is, fuck hands. Who cares? I mean I care, but there's a bigger picture here. Focusing on AI's is a cope argument, it's a losing argument. AI is going to increasingly fix its own minor fuckups but the larger problem is that it will always be slop by its very nature. It can't make anything original, or in in line with a specific human vision. Why should normalfags care about this? They get their "content" (porn and anime), so they're happy.

It's the same mentality killing film right now, and the reason why people are happy to swill down McDonald's 3 times a week without every trying anything different.

>>6930079
All that minium wage first world money and they all still look like shit. Show 100 or 10000 examples next time, then you have a point.

>>6930047
that has always been the case.
but your mistake is caring about consumers.
think about your favorite artist, writers, musicians. do you think they make their art for """""consumers"""""""?
no. real artists chase their own artistic ideals.

>>6930079
>>6930087
>>6930091
>basic ai pornslop makes actual money
>"No gaise porn requires hard work and effort its not ez mode you can't just throw shit together, monetize it, spam it everywhere and then coomers will give you money hehe if you think its ez y aren't you doing it? btfo!"
All the hard work arguments pornfags have been memeing all these years get utterly invalidated by this shit.
And this proves that most consumers, really do not give a single shit about any actual quality as long as they get to consume porn.

>>6930182
the point was it makes money which it does even looking like shit. that kind of money goes a long way for a third worlder too or it can be a side gig. also >>6930174 is spot on

>>6930199
>as long as they get to consume porn.
And politics.
Porn and political art = slop for artists who can't succeed otherwise.
Why you think nsfw fags are crying bitchtears right now about twitter limiting their reach?

>>6930264
>Why you think nsfw fags are crying bitchtears right now about twitter limiting their reach?
nsfwtards are always bitching and crying about something or how oppressed they are or how they be real artists, because most of them either are not even 18, are mentally ill or hate the fact that they aren't allowed to freely expose their fetishes to everyone (especially kids for ez followers and engagement) and shift the blame on the puritan boogeyman or the algorithm.
AI slop is just a natural evolution of pornfags.

>>6930307
>it's the "porn artists are actually child groomers, here's some Kiwifarms eceleb's discord that nobody knows about as proof" schizo again

>>6930079
Don’t let coombrain artists gaslight you into thinking coom art isn’t ez mode or low effort shit.

6930311
>makes up an entire movie
>calls others schizo
>bitches and cries that their ilk is being called out
>"no don't believe anything this guy says because he schizo kiwifarm look at the discord screenshot"
I dunno, anon, the more i keep shooting in the dark, the more it seems i might be correct given the usual reactions.

>>6930047
>>Fags on social media either bot their shit for likes and visibility
If they shortcut the work with AI why the fuck would they suddenly have integrity to grow organically?
>>Consumers just love to eat shit and got the attention span of a goldfish
Yes, up until AI art saturates the market and the average layman learns how to point it out and gets tired of its monotony. The same can be said of anything. Then they will move to a new kind of shit and the cycle continues, at exponential speed no less. Average shmoes have ALWAYS had terrible taste and no discerning eye. Anyone who works in any kind of design field will tell you that. I'm partly glad that AI can generate their slop for them so passionate artists don't have to. My only complaint is people making profit off this gimmick. It should be completely free and accessible to everyone, easy to use and trained on opt-in content only. Nobody using this stuff has any kind of creativity in their mushy little brains to make consistently compelling content anyway. Because again, Joe shmoes have no discerning eye or deeper understanding of appeal. Everyone has a camera but they still hire a photographer for their weddings. Let them eat slop, the more slop the better. I want us to be swimming in layman generated slop. Because that will only speed up our collective ability to differentiate AI slop (camera photos/home videos) from human art (photography/cinematography)
>verification not required