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Gotta have a prenup. Right? Just in case a brain injury changes her personality.

>>6928730
>>6928728
> start a long-term relationship by premeditating on what if it messes up
> what could go wrong
You should probably spend that time thinking about how to establish a solid relationship and how to keep it sturdy. That's probably much less effort, for everyone.

I would laugh and move away from anyone throwing me a prenup. It's like a bit "let's not trust each other" sign. Divorces were a mistake: doesn't encourage people to try hard enough, messes up kids badly, and in my experience, people just keep repeating the same pattern with different partners.

>>6928750
be gone vile harpy, stay away

>>6928750
>>6928775
You can stay if I see your boobs.

>>6928750
>That's probably much less effort, for everyone.
I'll convince her it was her idea. I'll inception it.

>>6928776
>>6928775
I've got some package behind my trouser. No idea why you think I'd be a woman for saying that. But it's quite telling on the quality of your relationships.

>>6928778
Yeah, that's a smart move to mentally manipulate someone you're going to be around for decades. Very smart. Just think about it to see how smart you truly are.

>>6928781
>no boobs
leave

>>6928728
I've never heard of a spouse receiving copyrights and intellectual properties in a divorce. They'd probably just receive a portion of your income, which comes from said properties.

>>6928750
>I would laugh and move away from anyone throwing me a prenup. It's like a bit "let's not trust each other" sign
This is the ultimate loyalty test though
>pull up a prenup
>partner doesn't want to sign? therefore they might want to play the long game and take half your shit ruining your life in the process
>they will probably cheat on you during the marriage
>they will most likely try to get you to initiate the divorce to take your shit
>"NO STOP TRYING TO DEFEND WHAT YOU'VE BUILT FOR YOURSELF AND GIVE ME HALF YOUR SHIT IF I DECIDE TO"
Only a vapid roast or a sociopath would not sign a prenup and avoid it like the plague giving it the excuse of
>wow u dont trust me
If you're trust worthy, you sign the prenup.
Alimony, is mostly ruled in favor of women, so only women would be against prenups.
And many women, go into marriage for financial benefits.

Women love shit tests, unless it's done on them, that's why you're being called a cunt.

If my woman pulled up a prenup, i'd sign it, no question asked.
Why should anyone be entitled to half your shit? This isn't the 30s anymore where women could not get jobs that easily.
Women now on average earn more, are more qualified and educated than men, because everyone prefers to hire women and hand them out opportunities and women seek education more than men.

Yet a man, want to defend his life's work from being taken away by some cunt and it's somehow worthy of ridicule?
Nigga, that's why any men should pull a prenup before marriage.

>>6928750
>tfw femoids

>>6928781
>Yeah, that's a smart move to mentally manipulate someone you're going to be around for decades. Very smart. Just think about it to see how smart you truly are.
I though about it and you are right. It's not a good move, I'd rather trust her. Maybe I will have to find a woman far richer than me... So she will already have prenup on her mind. This is gonna be tough...

>>6928750
>I would laugh and move away from anyone throwing me a prenup
I think prenups are a great idea, if anything at least for the potential kids sake.
Had a friend who her fiancé gave her a prenup, she read it and was fine with the conditions, but when she presented her own prenup for her fiancé, he started to throw a tantrum and would not agree on her terms, so that relationship ended.
A prenup is not only for his sake but also your own and children. So if he pulls out a prenup with certain conditions, be prepared with your own conditions you won't back down on, if shit happens in the future.

>>6928978
What were their conditions on the prenup?

>>6928728
No, my wife as her own professional life, I would share general wealth but why would I give her my artistic works while I'm still alive? I would certainly let her have them if I die tho

>>6928750
If you aren't willing to sign a prenup that's like screaming you aren't to be trusted. You only interpret it the way you do because you're a backstabbing whore, so you assume the same of others.
>>6929020
I think OP is talking about the whole "if you get divorced, your spouse takes half of what you own" shit. Not sure how that applies to IP.

>>6928728
>married
Not a true artist.

>>6928750
>I would laugh and move away from anyone throwing me a prenup.
I'd love a girl responsible and far-thinking enough to ask me to sign a prenup.

If I experienced love and was married, I wouldn't waste my time drawing for drops of dopamine. I would just have sex with her every day.

>>6929173
Yes, because married women are known to never stop putting out once they've secured access to your finances.

>>6928792
I have a feeling this is never going to be an issue for you.

>>6929186
>finances
Not a true artist.

>>6928792
>Only a vapid roast or a sociopath would not sign a prenup and avoid it like the plague giving it the excuse of
No, only someone who isn't clever enough to build a solid relationship from the start need that kind of artefact.

> If you're trust worthy, you sign the prenup.
It's not just a matter of trust. If you think she's the kind of woman to take half your stuff because lolwhynot, she'll have plenty of other flaws, and she'll find ways to make your life a living hell regardless.

>>6928796
Not what I had in mind at all.

>>6928978
I was talking generally, but I agree there are cases where this can be useful of course. Let me be more explicit: the fact that people think prenups are useful is because of how ubiquitous divorces are, and how sociopathic people are/have become. Thus, if you select a woman who isn't sociopathic (and yourself aren't sociopathic) then there's no need for prenup, because you can find a compromise. And if you can compromise, there should not even be a need for divorce anyway.

>>6929137
She's not responsible. If she was, she wouldn't a prenup, because she'll be able to act responsibly in case of divorce. You can't evaluate people's qualities when all is well. It's when it's messy that you see people's true face.

Plus, those "qualities" don't come isolated in this context: she's also selfish, fearful, untrusting (and likely untrustworthy too), etc.

>>6929124
>You only interpret it the way you do because you're a backstabbing whore, so you assume the same of others.
The amount of irony. Just pause and think a little; 100% beneficial.

>>6929285
>a solid relationship
>with the modern woman that acts upon her every whim and feelings and what other females put in her head
Might as well try to hug a grizzly bear and take your chances.
>its not a matter of trust
It is though
If i ask my partner to give me a sign of her honesty, then why would she start accusing me of not trusting her blindly?
That's kind of suspect and does indeed clear any suspicions and future fuckery.
It's like if i was a detective in a room of suspects and stated that whoever did the crime must be a real piece of shit and then one of them stands up, gets all angry and starts saying how i hate him for no reason.

Will you prove to me you're not a tranny who is just doing this trolling bit to get called a woman by anons so as to feel heckin valid as to not rope yourself today?

Like bro, it's just an agreement that IF we do split ways for whatever reason, we get to keep our own shit.
The only ones who would not agree to this is people who want the other's shit.

>just don't find a sociopath lmao
>if wrong = just do right lol
jesus fucking christ, man
This type of tests is exactly how you find them out and they can't weasel and manipulate their way out of that.
It's a foolproof way to filter these niggas

>>6929285
Live events change people. She may have been just right at the start of the marriage, no prenup needed or desired. Maybe something makes her disloyal.

Every man I've ever met who talked fervently about prenups was always broke.

>>6928728
Please pyw I need to see if you are worth divorce raping

>>6929413
>If i ask my partner to give me a sign of her honesty, then why would she start accusing me of not trusting her blindly?
Because you don't need a prenup to make sure she's honest to begin with. Yes, you *can* use a prenup in such a way, but you don't *need to*, and there are plenty of other ways to do without. Not only that, but you should have detected that kind of issues much, much earlier.

Here's an example: you're more or tacitly assuming that I'm a retard [because my views don't align with yours], instead of assuming good faith from me, and looking for a coherent interpretation of my point of view.

That's a HUMONGOUS red flag. That's the kind of stuff you can find ways to see very, very quickly.

But I'm a nice guy, so let me give you a second chance: instead of arguing further, I'll let you try to assume I'm not a retard. If you don't, bam, second red flag. See? Just a few messages and a bit of simple thinking.

It'd be stupid to wait until I'd marry you to detect that kind of thing. You generally *live* with people for months/years before marrying them, if you can't detect that kind of flaws beforehand, then you're to blame, because that's your responsibility to check those things (for example, as a future father, for the well-being of your future kids).

>>6929425
Yeah, it's not bullet proof either, people aren't perfect. But you have to be careful about special AND theoretical cases: it can be dangerous to architecture your life around them too much. It's good to think about them a little, but at the end of the day, there are too many things on which you have no visibility/control at all, so better focus on what you can perceive/act on.

Life events could also affect her positively, I guess equally.

>>6928728
>thinking of marriage in globohomo misandrist times

ngmi

>>6929458
>you're more or tacitly assuming that I'm a retard [because my views don't align with yours], instead of assuming good faith from me
>"Just believe me, bro or are you just disagreeing because i dont share your views? hehe checkmate bigot see im arguing in good faith hehe double checkmate"

Ok, since you lack the human experience, here's how it leads to marriage
>you get to know girl
>girl judges you as a potential mate IF
>you have money
>you have job
>you provide safe environment and leisure activities for her
>if you can't provide any of that, you are not worthy of being considered a living being
>you can't pretend to be a broke nigga
On the other hand, marriage is not a must for a man and if there is no marriage, there is no legal document binding the pair thus no need for a prenup.

Your arguments are retarded and straight up out of ignorance
>because that's your responsibility to check those things
>"no bro don't pull a prenup that's bad... because it just is okay.... and when people fuck you over.... guess it's your own fault for not using a prenup lol but prenup bad lmao yo if someone wants to trick you, just find it out lol but trust women you fucking bigot lmao"
Man, and that's what you call arguing in good faith?

>>6928728
I'm already married, and no, if anyone I know in real life even had the slightest idea what kind of art I drew, I'd kill myself. There are certain things you take to your grave.
>>6928750
>I would laugh and move away from anyone throwing me a prenup.
Good. The man you walk away from would be much better off without someone as self-absorbed as you are. It's beyond retarded to enter into any contract with someone without defining separation procedures. If someone has a problem with that, they either have bad intentions or are incredibly immature.

>>6929454
I wouldn't marry with a prenup, I just wouldn't marry someone at all if I felt like I needed a prenup in case I need to protect myself

Just be single, be free. Only get tied down to someone who is worth the risk.

>>6929495
This is ridiculous. All your arguments are out-of-the-book straw man. When arguing with educated people, the way to do it is to take what they said (not a ridiculous deformation of it) and use reason and logic to invalidate it.

Using emotion and big words only work with people of little virtue.

You know what's happening here? I'm treating you like a grown-up man. But you don't want that, you're too used to be infantilized, and you cannot appreciated to be treated with respect.

So keep banging your head against the wall for as long as you want;I have no interest in pursuing this discussion further.

>>6929524
>It's beyond retarded to enter into any contract with someone without defining separation procedures
My point is, it's beyond retarded to married with someone you're not sure to be able to stay with until the end. In particular because divorces mess kids and society.

Thus, my point of view is precisely not self-absorbed, nor immature: I'm considering the well-being of everyone first, while you have in your mind "I must protect my stuff [from my wife]."

Anyway, I'm out of here. Your thinking and discussing skills are way too underdeveloped (the fact that you're raging reading this is but a confirmation).

6929970
>"well, someone wants to gaslight, manipulate and scam you? Just don't! And if you question their integrity in any slight way, then you're bad!"
>"just let me patronize you lmao i am being so logical and reasonable (hehe checkmate) wow u cant even discuss. Bye bitch! hehe gottem"
>"greentext bad because how dare you make a mockery out of my clearly irrational and dishonest non-arguments excusing deceiving behavior and calling anyone that doesn't let others get away with scamming others a dishonest person?"
These aren't strawmen, i am just translating the things you say.
I am not arguing with you because you weren't able to defend you stance in any rational way i.e.
This is the argument:
>Prenup good because it filters out people that want to fuck you over. No honest person would ever an issue with not getting the other's shit IF there is a divorce.
Your answer:
>OMG JUST LIKE JUST STOP LMAO YOU ALREADY DECIDING YOU WANT THE MARRIAGE TO FAIL WHAT GOOD IS A PINUP IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MARRY YOU TO DIVORCERAPE YOU YOU SHOULD JUST FIND THAT OUT SOONER AND IF YOU DID WELL; FUCK YOU FOR NOT TRUSTING YOUR PARTNER YOU WANTED THE RELATIONSHIP TO FAIL. YOU ARE BABY.
Hard to take you seriously

>"im treating you like a grown-up"
>proceeds to patronize everyone that brings up any coherent arguments
>but they aren't arguments because he says so
I'm treating you like the tranny you are.

In what part of the world would your spouse have YOUR copyright? It's tied to the creator or their next of kin in case of death (IF kin copyrights it properly otherwise it enters puvlic dpmain) Not even in shitting USA is that a thing

Draw instead of making up imaginary
Situations to be angry about

>>6930059
Are you retarded? Any woman worth anything wouldn't just "trust you bro".
0 guarantees you won't be a cheating hoe, abusive or whatever third option and shes left with shitty career prospects and childcare due to most of that burden falling to women and then post divorce head straight to the poor house.
Unless your preenup is filled with every possible what if scenario (in which case it's redundant to even sign it) your thinking of just blockading the shit you will earn off of her back in the marriage.
What stupid cunt would willingly sign-away her protections and guarantees by law and put herself (and probably her kids) in a shitty situation where she is unlikely to ever dig herself out of? Stupid and a terrible mother

Only the rich who have to fend off actual gold diggers have use of prenups, random nobody artists and everybody else use them to flag themselves as not only delusional but hellbent from the start to not take care of their potential family

>obvious dishonest troll doesn't get cleaned up
>anyone calling him out on it does
sasuga janny desu

bump

>>6929285
>Thus, if you select a woman who isn't sociopathic
Impossible, unless you get the rights to keep the woman away from the rest of the world. Every "feminist" wants women to be psychopaths and exploit men and they will be able to convince any woman with enough effort.
This is why no sane man marries these days, or puts their dick inside any woman in the countries where child support is proportial to income.

>>6929970
The people who shit on you don't think of marriage as something you do out of love. Why even marry in that case? Just live together without getting recognized by the court. It saves everyone the time trouble. If you don't like or trust someone enough to get into a legal binding ritual like marriage with them then just don't, simple as

bump

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I love my wife. She's very sweet and supportive.

>>6928728
Marriage and copyright are memes

>>6928750
You're right, and everyone who replied to you is probably a moral relativist.

Just do AI work and when she tries to take half your stuff she can't because AI stuff is uncopyrightable. Pranked bitch.

>>6928750
Crazy how many people are saying this isn't true. Marriage is supposed to mean that you love someone so deeply you want to spend the entire rest of your lives together. You are bonding your souls forever.

A prenup reduces all of that to a meaningless economic transaction. Why even get married at that point? Just be boyfriend and girlfriend forever.

>>6928728

This is actually an issue that varies by state. Check your states laws to see if they actually give co-ownership of your company or work to your spouse before you marry them.
My state does this, which is why I plan to get hitched in another state with a pre-nup.

>>6931383
Yeah all those bad feminists like the government making sure men don't just impregnate and destitute women and children en masse so they force those poor men to pay for the children they created

Feminists tell you to literally not get married unless you have a prenup and it's financially beneficial like a tax break and especially to not have children, furthermore to absolutely abort if the father is a deadbeat. You making sure to vote for the feminist policies and have abortion readily available so that those mean women and children don't entrap all those poor men just looking to creampie?

>>6933243
tax breaks, unironically
marriage was always a transaction, we just have the luxury to choose to do so out of love - a lot of people still do it just to settle tho

>>6933243
Right

Dont

>>6929285
>>6928750
the plebbit stench on these posts

>>6928730
fpbp
Prenups protect a man's assets from roastie stealing hands. If a woman refuses to sign, then she can't be trusted. Simple as.

>>6933462
Women should become property of the men that impregnate them. Simple as. It solves every problem imaginable.

>>6928728
Yes, but only because I like the idea of a taller stronger woman telling me what to do.

>>6933462
You sound like a redditor faggot

>>6933243
>marriage is disney princess happily ever after there's no household, property, income, etc. it's just people kissing and loving each other and there's cute talking animals and orchestration

>>6928750
>Divorces were a mistake
WEW LAD that’s a dangerously based take that I cannot believe other anons missed