/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6916238
Oh hey you used my art

Posting it again because thread was over. Sketch from oil painting in my journal.

I am happy to declare that I won’t be drawing for this thread, either.

a break from foot studies

Did a Frazetta study, i really suck at hands

>>6916319
if you are going to draw hands so small you should simplify them

>>6916332
Can you give me an example of what you mean?

>>6916341
Compare hands in the front to hands in the back

the frazetta was probably bigger than your copy. The smaller you draw the harder you make it for yourself.

1st

Is this what you're copying? How do you expect to get hands from this? At least copy the final version.

2nd

>>6916379
>>6916381
3rd. Sucked the whole way but it needed to be done.

I'm an absolute /beg/ and I've got a really stupid question.
For the past few days I've been doing loomis exercises, drawing faces, circles and hands and shit for 2 hours a day. The paper I'm using is printer paper I borrowed from the office, I was thinking I don't need to buy better quality paper until I improove or am I being retarded?

I was reading the big guide in the sticky, and its really good and detailed, but kinda overwhelming. Honestly, what I really want to draw is cute minimalist anime girl drawings, kinda like the artist Tsukumizu. Are these classical lessons like in the guide a necessary step, or is there a simpler guide specifically for my lesser goal? What I struggle with the most is 3D poses. Currently I just practice by looking at irl photos and making them into my own characters with the same pose. Is it enough to just do this over and over to improve? Or should i really go with classical fundamentals?

Right now I like to follow this guys guides: https://youtu.be/ZHJWjclAVnI?si=8mtJ8vyoW4BDT9py

>>6916383
printer paper is shit. Get 50lb paper for graphite.

>>6916383
Printer paper is totally fine even after you've improved.

>>6916383
Don't worry about paper quality at this stage. That's when you're doing finished pieces. Disposable paper is useful for mileage exercises and disposable drafts.

Any advice? Currently reading perspective made easy. Im practicing drawing buildings and houses. I notice when drawing smaller things I’ll fuck up the proportions. Comparative measurements seems to be working best for me because using other techniques made my drawings come out lopsided, but i probably just need more practice. Unfortunately I don’t have the reference anymore.

>>6916400
Get real drawing paper.

>>6916380
https://e-hentai.org/s/eae35b40aa/2694208-8
I'm copying it from this image

>>6916408
use a ref where you can at least make out the fingers.

>>6916389
I always shill printer paper myself but I only use it with a pen and suspect it not great for a pencil

drawing made from the imagination without references, what is your opinion about the whole drawing in general?

i just have to keep grinding. my line quality is quite shit, also my perspective sucks.

>>6916400
Work on your lines or invest in a ruler, also get some non lined paper for godsake, you might as well be drawing on your walls with a crayon.

>>6916400
to be honest, i am confused on what is supposed to be what. keep grinding!!! also more use if line weight may help.

>>6916238
What was that book guide that was in the op a while back. Can someone repost it?

>>6916238
drew a hand just now.
trying to grind my skills over the next few years to apply to notable art colleges. I have no intention of actually going bc I'm poor but I just want to know that my skills may one day be worth something.

>>6916457
Has anyone tried this?

>>6916482
why would you take advice from people that dont post work?

>>6916484
I mean they could have? You don’t know what they did to get to whatever skill level they’re at hence why I’m asking if anyone tried it and got good

>>6916305
>Please take responsibility
It's not my fault you eat so much, fat bitch

>>6916461
why do you want to go to art college?

>>6916517
I don't.
I just want to know that I'd be good enough to get into one.

I want to be able to pump out work as fast and consistently as im moving my hand, no endless redoes and breaks, pure stream of consciousness

>>6916518
art colleges accept everyone bro. most of them are just looking to make a profit.

>>6916518
you dont need skill to go, only money, bruhh

>>6916524
Nah. Not sure if you've seen the portfolios but you actually do need skill to be accepted. I'll post some examples in a minute

Anyone recognize?

>>6916522
>>6916524
>>6916530
Here's some accepted Calarts portfolios
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/e0D0bZ
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XRbZ0

Sheridan
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/d8gRr3

SVA (which looks to have standards on the lower side but still far better than me)
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zA5xgm

>>6916521
based

>>6916305
advice on how to reach this level?

I'm not exactly as one can say as "perfect", but this is what I got recently along with a few others.

>>6916628
Pure soul

>>6916632
Yet the soulness of it will grow...hopefully.

Sup beg, yesterday i played with new app: PaintTool SAI. It is the fastest drawing app i have ever seen. It loads faster than MS paint, it works even on gigantic canvases with big complex brushes. And it still manages to have most of the functions drawers actually use, including perspective. My only gripe is very limited UI customization and some rough edges on few places. But for app made by single dude from japan its solid and very usable.

>>6916521
solid goal
>>6916482
>>6916484
art books have innate advantage: you can just google the authors credentials and or art and see for yourself their work. Book Rendering in pen and ink is semi famous to the point it gets recommended to you on amazon if you type drawing
>>6916440
you mog me
>>6916400
copy the drawing from that very book, get clean paper
>>6916385
observation > perspective > figure drawing
start with keys to drawing, then do perspective made easy then pick up any figure book (tom fox draws) is the one with anime built in. you arent supposed to read whole sticky / book at once. It goes like this: read 5 minutes then draw 3 hours doing the assignments and or copying the artwork
>>6916383
quality of tools doesnt matter for practice purposes. as long as your paper doesnt tear or completely soaks through it is good enough (for practice)
>>6916305
sex
>>6916282
looks very beg

>>6916616
just draw

>>6916654
I think it's very much this along with studying your favorite artists, but also taking tutorials, such as manga art how to's, and youtube tutorials.

Soon I will be able to, for now it's silly ms painting until I get a better art tablet, MAWHAAHHA

>>6916616
lots of copies of doujins and a good anatomy book
study the work of artists you admire

Day 18 of learning the basics n whatnot. I managed to get a lil bit of everything done today, some values, sketches, doodles and even another horikoshi lineart study. While the study is still really scuffed, I think I'm finally starting to slightly grasp his thought process with lines and lineweight in general, instead of me just copying all willy nilly. I was starting to get discouraged, so i'm really glad. Overall a real good day.

>>6916666
nice job man looks good gmi

>>6916305
good, but bottom right face perspective is off, her left eye needs to be to the right more and in perspective, it almost looks like he face is looking directly back and shes breaking her neck

gmi

>>6916521
Try to study Kim Jung Gi and practice some exercises from Charles Bargues drawing course book, what really helped me drawing faster and consistently was understanding how they think

how does it look

So I posted a few threads ago some of my traced work

I tried my hand at free drawing, basically I drew a skeleton sort of pose I liked based off a reference picture and drew off that

I'm not really sure what to do for pupils however and I've not seen many four armed poses I liked so I kind of just mixed crossed arms and hands on hips

How's it look? And does anyone have good references for anime style pupils?

>>6916735
his hand is a bit small

this video is pretty good for manga eyes, from a pro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXNsKMvLQo

and these books
https://e-hentai.org/g/2226977/5a2aeecb0a/
https://e-hentai.org/g/1907554/1e5a2711ce/
https://e-hentai.org/g/2012853/8cf2ede31a/

nyah

Trying to find time to draw once more, so quick stuff.
>you didn't capture the expression because you're so used to neutral/calm.
Fellas...

>>6916787
>super saiyan gohan
good taste, although the hands could use detail

Can you recover the pleasure of drawing? Since I bought my tablet I feel obliged to do it

>>6916925
I find deep pleasure in studies.

>>6916238
Very happy w/ how this turned out except I’m not a fan of the midsection. Was a struggle getting the perspective and anatomy down, especially since it’s so simplified in the ref (which I’ll respond with). Also, how is it in terms of readibility?

>>6917010

>>6916641
>looks very beg
You would know, seeing as you live here and all.

Anyone here with any experience on vilppu figure drawing book, when does it stop being absolute shit?

I'm on page 90/173 and so far it has been a whole bunch of "draw the rest of the owl"

He's like "an cylinder is a ellipse with two lines :) HERE'S 8 PAGES OF EXAMPLES THAT BARELY HAVE A VISIBLE CYLINDER IN THEM"

Or how he spends 2 pages of actually talking about boxes and how they can be used to draw torsos, shows 8 pages of examples, just to never use it again in any of his other examples.

Is this the bottom of the barrel when it comes to figure drawing books?

Some lines are extraneous because I couldn't nail everything on the first try, but I'm not completely dissatisfied

>>6916616
Copy basic ass anime shit for a week

>>6917044
That's why I personally don't like Vilppu.

>>6916238
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

>>6916319
suck at pretty much everything bro.
how about first studying the basics of what youre drawing before you study a master's style

>>6917010
looks pretty damn cool

you're right the midsection looks a little off. I think it's cause the chest is quite detailed but the rest of the torso is blank, leaving it looking strange

I'd say add some lines for the ribs and gut

Readability wise it's fine, aside from the weirdness in the midsection

>>6916735 this one is mine, what do you think of it so far?

>>6917141
Is that from imagination or you looked at a reference? Or is it from imagination, and you just had a reference to think about?

>>6916238
Fellow begs

>>6917182
is that nicky

>>6917194
An attempt was made

>>6917195
youre gonna need the reilly method my friend

adding some weight

>>6917230
Very nice sketches. Big fan of the hard shadow ones.

As for crit I’d say work on the breast overall. The breast is its own shape and you didn’t indicate that in your first drawing because you didn’t shade it. Notice in this pic how the girl’s breasts have close to shadow even in a sweater. In the second frankly I feel you didn’t try because it’s a sketch but even in a sketch the rounded shape of the breast and the muscle insertions should still be semi-close to anatomically correct, which it isn’t here. For the figure on the bottom right, I don’t think you did that great of a job depicting the left scapulae. I see it’s in perspective but it’s a bit disjointing seeing such a clear and detailed scapula in the back but only seeing its presence on the outside on the other side. You don’t have much room for the other scapulae because your spine and it’s perspective is messed up. I’d work on that as well

Also I think you should use much smoother lines when drawing women

a little bit of chibi

mi friend said "There is tension in this pose. It somehow resembles medieval people's scribbles. Perhaps it would be better if her left leg was also in a bend in the likeness of the right" and "It's not the first time I've noticed that you give your characters tense poses that lack harmony"

>>6917240
Thanks, anon. I'm at a point where I'm still struggling to get proportions right, so I don't pay much attention to execution, whatever works.

>>6916451
ygmi keep up the good work

>>6917233
how do I draw like that

>>6916687
good

>>6917254
hard round brush

I’m not drawing today.

>>6917301
faggot

how do you guys cope with carpal tunnel

>>6917202
Oh man and here i was wondering if loomis was too much construction

>>6917233
all the weight you addded were in bones

>>6917303
do you have actual carpal tunnel dx or do you just have wrist pain because if it’s the latter i mitigate it with exercise + stretch breaks

>>6916678
>Try to study Kim Jung Gi
How am I supposed to study a guy who has no process and just draws everything like a printer? I don't know whats going on in his head

Which would you think is a quicker path to getting good, traditional or digital? On one hand, digital isn't limited by physical materials being available. On the other hand, digital has a lot of crutches that seem like they would stunt actual skill growth.

guys my hands are super sweaty and they wrinkle the paper and smear my pencil lines

>>6917333
not pain just numbness on my fingers but it's very frustrating to make fine movement

>>6916383
Big part of what you're paying for with good paper is archiveability, print paper will turn to shit in 10 years, high quality strathmore will long outlast you if kept well.
As long as a tool doesn't hamper you, it's fine.

>>6916381
>hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door, the leatherclub's two blocks down

I do not know if i can lime control but the form

>>6917156
I designed most of it myself (horns, four arms etc) but I used this as a reference for the pose

>>6917303
>>6917402
pen gripper

>>6917365
put a paper between your canvas and your hand. or get fingerless glove

>>6917506
can you put that on your cock?

>>6917313
you need to read a book on it, not just read articles and look at the pictures on some website. it looks like "too much" and complicated at first but it really isnt, its all natural.
read "mastering drawing the human figure from life, memory and imagination" by jack faragasso. its a great book. you will make remarkable progress reading it. as did i.
itll start with teaching you to draw the human figure and only towards the end teach you how to draw faces. but its necessary to learn figure drawing first.
for me the main goal is to draw faces but despite that im working my way through figure drawing first.

what's a good posing tool?

>>6917230
Your chiascuros remind me of the art to Apocalypse World. I made an attempt.

>>6917665
one word: reilly method

>>6916238
In the middle of painting this piece and i just realized I uninetionally made a fucking Lae'zel Wojak. FML

Tried to draw some "template" for the wolfgirl.
Wonky anatomy and I guess not enough heads, so she might look more like teenager here.
but damn, I adore the hatching I did.
Honestly I fear coloring it, I'm pretty bad at it.

What is the best video course to draw like yoshinari

10 years of daily drawing and this is my current skill level, am I just an extremely slow learner? I must be doing something wrong to have progressed so little in such a long period of time, anyone have tips?

>>6917736
is this what you produce every day or do you ever do studies?

>>6917738
I just wake up and draw for like 5 hours usually my process is just find a reference pose online, choose a character I like and draw that character doing that pose, ive never done any actual study or practice lol

>>6917738
I get that studies and practice helps but I'm only ever motivated to draw when I'm being creative and studies are the death of creativity

>>6917741
is that from experience or is that what you've convinced yourself?

>>6917745
I'll be honest i've only maybe given it a good go two or three times over 10 years I just can't keep up my attention span and get bored, typically drawing doesnt bore me but when I feel like i'm doing it as work/practice it takes the wind out of my sails a bit, i've never wanted to be a professional artist but seeing people who have massive improvements in just a few years while i've been drawing for 10 and not improving at all has me wondering why. I could definitely see it being a lack of any actual study though

>>6917750
Are you sure? That you're not progressing in a skill because you never train? Could that possibly be the secret?

>>6917753
I feel like drawing for 5 hours a day every day IS a form of training, i definitely have improved but just not to a level I feel comfortable with for my time investment

>>6917750
>>6917753
It's like riding a bike to work everyday for 10 years and being surprised you're not a professional downhill biker yet

>>6917736
>>6917740
>>6917750
>>6917755
Fuck off there's no way you're this retarded. Ten years and you never once tried actually improving? You just assumed you'd get better?

>>6917750
>>6917755
you should try doing more observational drawing at least, 5 hours a day is a lot of time to work with.
it would be best if you spent some time chipping away at the fundamentals, like sit down and work on specifics directly instead of this "oh i drew i'll pick it up eventually" kind of attitude

2 minute gestures how can I improve them

>>6917773
do more 10 to 15 min poses

>>6917787
ok how can I improve them

>>6917794
Study anatomy

>>6917794
Please increase the brush size when filling areas, these shadows are dirty

>>6917797
>>6917796
ok

>>6916641
Do you feel like you're improving doing these heads?

>>6917817
His goal is not to improve, he just likes to copy autistically.

>>6916305
I added some colors

>>6917773
study separate parts of the body, fill a canvas with torsos, feet, legs, etc...

What're you listening to while you draw /beg/?

right now:
https://youtu.be/xqRgc8VTN20?si=JOp9KQ1F2oELADQG

>>6917887
Not into loli at all but that rendering looks great blog?

>>6917887
THAT'S AI ART

>>6917883
https://youtu.be/V54lhS48k4k

Any advice for creating values with pen in small spaces you want to keep detail in, like a face? I have a full body drawing I'm working on and I want a hat to be casting shade onto the guy's face but I am not sure how to approach it without obscuring his features a ton, since his head is only about 1.25".

>>6917909
anon… someone wrote gullible on your ceiling

>>6917883
https://youtu.be/iVvXB-Vwnco
Current favorite song.

Is this good to learn anatomy if I want to draw anime? I like the style of this book

>>6917883
>>6917968
Nice

https://youtu.be/UVlic5NXpzw?si=15HqfeKfD9hTie7u

https://youtu.be/cP8tFfSj-O4?si=9pf-IiW68qEQwKHG

https://youtu.be/zDz1RrOMbkk?si=UEqAx3jmbjCEklHu

https://youtu.be/OcBBjsJHgOU?si=1KuMiM6lyyHdGH38

https://youtu.be/8IVcWQpAQu0?si=71hNCvl2fvxuZBWs

https://youtu.be/ZScVjupb32E?si=uvB8TH-0KzdL0xS4

https://youtu.be/hXPhSNZCh3c?si=aqHxhu1GNDGJG26v

https://youtu.be/ISEQF8rsMXo?si=GTJvlljaHNhm2lop

>>6917975
I have the physical book. It's pretty good, it's at least worth studying for a bit. He released all of it slowly online for free.

>>6917672
it's over

Old wip I want to re-do. How do I unfuck the face? Struggling with lips too

>>6918006

>>6918000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfKi6kpdTQ
https://www.learnthesky.com/blog/fish-hook-asterism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlock_Fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRPfY4mE4ME

>>6916785
Sovl

>>6917909
Why are ainiggers responding to themselves like this now?

>>6918041
They have realized ai was just a fad and now everyone is back to grindmaxxxing

>>6918041
>now

Any tips or advice for reducing neck strain? It wasn't a problem before but now I'm drawing around 6 to 8 hours a day and it's been a little rough.

I hate drawing, I hate it, everytime I draw I look at it and feel disgusted, In can't fucking do it. I draw and the product is just like those awful drawings made by autists on tumblr, god fucking dammit

How did this gesture come out?
Most decent one I've made so far

>>6918021
Honestly can't even tell what that sketch is even.
Best guess is mold growing inside a refrigerator.

Hello beg. With this i am done with head segment. So far it all feels very hopeless.

>>6918048
i should take the anime pill... very simple, very appealing
>>6917966
small > barely visible > simplify
>>6917883
public broadcasted radio, they even play audiobooks on it sometimes
>>6917851
the obvious nitpick is that you cannot fit pregnant women into tight body suits
>>6917817
i feel utter PAIN WITH PENCIL while doing these, but when i look at my first loomis heads there is undeniable improvement (like 1% better). At times it feels like wasting time and effort, but you know the rule: no pain no gain
>>6917736
>>6917740
i think you should do some master studies and or pick up some book about rendering. why dont i see a single hard edge in your drawings?
>>6917680
kinda cute monster thot
>>6918072
what are your ergonomics like? Also you should take breaks and stretch. Even professional office drones dont work 8 hours in a row: there is lunch break at 11 and coffee meetup at 14
>>6918077
>autists on tumblr
PYW, i am very curious what you mean by that
>>6918079
this is not gesture

>>6918085
>>autists on tumblr
>PYW, i am very curious what you mean by that
fine
i'm gonna try sketching a face I saw on the catalogue
you'll see what I mean by that, be back in 40 minutes, by the way, I don't have good paper so no whinging about that, what is the point of buying paper if my drawings are shit anyway

>>6918085
based pawell giving me my only (you)

Publicly execute mass repliers

>>6918090
here
fuck this. I give up, I really wanted to draw well but I just can't. It makes me incredibly frustrated, i'm done

study wip

yikes

>>6918079
>>6918085
nta but I think this would qualify as gesture. I do agree that it's stiff, though.

You need to focus on the pinch and stretch of the torso, you're missing the feeling of her leaning back. The same thing with the neck. One side is stretched, but the other should be a sharp curve or pinch. It might be helpful for you to practice more with a mannequin, not timed gesture drawings, for a bit. And some very basic anatomy review will help, especially looking up things like landmarks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xsy0TK2g50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92TslbUriMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjY3BKdVc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkfE2CJKHrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihoY94K-Yhs

>>6918135
Yo is this fellatrix?
Post this stuff on sex/salt you will get better feedback

anyone have a reference for an angry mouth from this angle?

>>6918135

>>6918010
tb h copy your reference first not mindlessly try to steal I mean borrrow some things from it and incorporate it into your own drawing
fucking trace over it first if you need to
and lips are wrapped around a cylinder, yours are flat

>>6918072
you gotta raise the height and adjust the angle of your setup so your head isn't pointing down too much. you can really fuck your shit up in the long run if you don't. depends a lot on your setup but to raise it up you can use a standing desk, desk riser, stacks some books etc. to angle it you can use a drawing board, laptop stand and monitor arms for tablets.

tomboy correction wip

>tat
gross

>>6918146
Not a ref kek

>>6918126
I don't see any disaster. I think you simply have that common self-hate some artists have (mentally unstable and or unwell). There are two solutions: start treating yourself (and your drawings) with respect and care you deserve.

Or just draw and don't focus on quality, instead aim for quantity.

>>6918126
I was like you once. I was never really a drawer growing up and only made art which I had to up through middle school. in high school I did none. for whatever reason I had the impetus to start drawing in college but I was extremely inconsistent because I would look at my drawings and be disgusted and frustrated and would end up quitting after a few days. I would always come back though because I found this deep desire to make beautiful art. after an extended quitting period - a few years - I came back and have since been much more consistent with my drawing and studies. I'm still /beg/ at this point, but I have made clear improvements from my initial sketchbook and am happy with the progress I am making. it is ultimately a leap of faith, but I believe that I can continue to make improvements and eventually create things I am proud to show others (should they wish to see them). if drawing/making art is only a passing interest of yours, I would say perhaps it would be better to leave it aside and pick up another hobby if you wish - there's nothing wrong with putting something down and moving on if there is no real point in doing otherwise (and the sunk-cost fallacy is not a valid point). but if that desire consistently makes its way back into the forefront of your mind, they you simply have to be aware of the likely disappointment you will feel when you see your lacking art. all you can do is study proper sources, be consistent, be aware, and bite the bullet. I have a sort of schizophrenic view, where you have to see the disappointed/negative/quitter side of yourself and tell it to fuck off - though perhaps being more hostile is not a good long-term strategy. at any rate, you have to learn to deal with these negative feelings and not treat them as the ultimate dictators of your life, if you ultimately want to continue your art journey. like I said I'm still a /beg/ myself, so take this as you will.

>>6918199
sorry i didn’t read all that your webm was distracting me

>>6918210
I completely understand.

i tried blending for the first time. i dont remember where to put hard and soft edcges but whatever

Head practice, still struggling with placements with the facial features and the angle of the heads. Also the chin/cheek area still destroys me

Any help is really appreciated!

>>6918230
you're almost there. copy art more

>>6916238
How can I learn to copy a drawing correctly?
Getting the proportions and angles right seems really difficult. I don't like the idea of using some grid system because it doesn't seem like it would actually improve my eye for proportion too much
>what have you tried
haven't done many copies because seeing how trash the results are is demoralizing, doodles/sketches from imagination are much more forgiving.
I guess I should just grind some copies and then see if improvement comes naturally

>>6918261
look up bargue plates and the method used there. That's a good starting point. Quick rundown is to lay out proportions by using an envelope shape. Then within that shape continue using simple straight lines to establish connections and build up the drawing.

>>6918266
ty I'll check 'em out

Day 19 of learning the basics n whatnot. Just more sketchin', doodlin', valuein', and line art practicin'. Overall a chill day.

>>6917303
Stop drawing with a death grip.

>>6918291
These are ok but you're cheating yourself by not adding even just basic shading to define the shapes.

>>6918230
use the loomis sphere but change the proportions to something more anime-like
It makes it easier to place facial features
and there are some tricks, like imagining the head wearing glasses to find the ear region

>Friend gives me their old drawing tablet
>Have zero clue how to draw
Just downloaded krita and discovered that I can barely make a circle. How long is it going to take for me to go from actual toddler-tier beginner to drawing on the level of >>6918048 or >>6918166 assuming I practice for at least half an hour bare minimum every day?

lol

>>6918374
you're not gonna believe this
>draw

>>6918376
I know that, I just want to know what a reasonable goal to set for myself would be.

>>6918377
3 years to get int level.

>>6918374
6 months - 7 years

>>6918374
>half an hour
Nigga,..

>>6918374
you're gonna spend half an hour to stop looking at youtube, don't kid yourself

>>6918380
I said bare minimum. Getting any practice in daily is better than nothing. And half an hour at toddler level makes more of a difference than five hours at intermediate level in terms of skill gains.

>>6918374
You serious? It would take multiple lifetimes to reach first anon's level at 30 min/day

So... I need to create about 300 placeholders for my game with uniform proportions (scalable in the worst case) as fast as possible. With this problem in mind, the advice of walt stanchfield, krenz and hide makes perfect sense. This is my demo I think I can make all the placeholders in an acceptable way in 8 hours (at best), 10 at worst.

>>6918374
The first guy you quoted is just copying other people so probably 3-6 months for that. the second guy maybe 1-2 years.

something thats been bugging me since I ever started drawing and is probably greatly contributing to me not getting better.
figure drawing bugs me since any figures that don't like the ideal way i want them to which are more on the slicker and more stylized side of things look awkward and it makes me not wanna pickup figure drawing books like loomis' and hampton's
how do i overcome this?

>>6918466
pyw dudette if not no one will give advice, what I'm certain is that you will have to change the way you do things but first pyw

Arms!
>>6916461
Use reference and keep going. Reference drawings of hands so you can see how others simplify them.
>>6916536
Sorry, no.
>>69166669 (checked)
Cute and good. The perspective on the beetle doesn’t match the reference, and you drew it just a little bit wider than the real deal. Still looks good, especially for someone who hasn’t formally studied perspective and construction yet. Very impressive, Anon.
>>6916678
Do you think practice copying any art books would help? Or is it something special about Bargues’s autism?
>>6916687
Recognizable. Good job, anon.
>>6916785
I’m unsettled by how much I like this. Anyway, where’s her arm?
>>6916879
Good job, keep going! Lots of variety here.
>>6916641
How much time are you spending on each head?
>>6917044
Just read enough of it to get an idea of his thought process, do the bean torso and box exercises, then jump right into his Renaissance Figure Drawing course. It’s a lot better and easier to understand when you’re seeing him actually go through the process of drawing.
>>6917182
Tsar Nicholas?
>>6917194
>>6917195
Oh snap, it is. Good job, anon.
>>6917233
I like her body. I think you put her clit too high up though.
>>6917506
Huh, I should try one of those
>>6917736
You need to study and do practice. Start with the proko beginner’s course
>>6917851
I like her pupils. And body. Her arm/hand is missing where she’d be grabbing her leg in the pose on our left. Forearm proportion looks a little too short and the elbow bend is weird.
>>6918048
Lovely and inspiring.
>>6918079
Good job, anon. Keep it up. Watch some Michael Hampton and Vilppu gesture videos.
>>6918126
Do drawing on the right side of the brain and/or Proko beg course or Brent Eviston beg course
>>6918142
Neat-ass study anon, very cool
>>6918229
Soft edges on soft edges plane transitions, hard edges on sharp plane transitions. Soft edges on form shadows, hard edges on cast shadows
>>6918291
Based, GMI
>>6918313
Saved
>>6918374
Depends

why does bigger tits equal longer torso, i saw this on so many art.

>>6918487
Dunno how I fucked up up quoting >>6916666 but, uh… well, there it is. *licks lips*

>>6918488
People don't want to end up hiding a normal torso under MASSIVE breasts and end up making it larger.
eu03 goes on and on and on about it on his streams and art.

If I am allowed to bitch; My favourite artist, the one whose art has struck me so hard that it made me want to start drawing hasn't drawn topless publicly IN A FUCKING DECADE and the most recent art topless art I could find (pic related) is from a goddamn 2019 Comiket booth extra that WILL NEVER BE SCANNED AND IS OUT OF STOCK FUCKING EVERYWHERE.

Fucker doesn't even have a Patreon or Fanbox or shit to publish stuff. He only uploads turbo compressed or outright fucking incomplete crops on Twitter and the complete works are only in books THAT NOBODY EVER SCANS.

I wish I could have enough money to buy everything from his store, scan it, AI UPSCALE IT FOR GOOD FUCKING MEASURE and publish it just to spite the fucker.

What a fucking disservice is it to put this much effort into drawing and then willingly hide your shit and don't give any means to acquire it digitally and legally.

EU03. YOU FUCKING NEUROTIC GOOK. I KNOW YOU LURK AND EGOBROWSE THIS FUCKING SITE AND BOARD.
UPLOAD YOUR FUCKING ARTWORKS.

THIS IS WHY YOU STILL LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS AT 40 WHILE ACTUALLY SMART ARTISTS LIKE JUNKPUYO ARE ROLLING IN MONEY.

FUCK YOU.

>>6918486
post my work?
well here's a recent sketch

Eu03 won.

>>6918514
win WHAT?

>>6918501
>Schizo is a AI nigger too
Deserved

>>6918510
well a good start is by drawing the whole figure for more accurate sense of shape, proportion, perspective and appeal. But from that image good line weight focus point is in the eyes.

>>6918521
I am not a proompter but I will throw his shit at a AI-upscaler just to spite him.
He already gets livid from gooners RPing with his work and LORAS make him scream.

There's so many ideas I have that I want to draw, but I fucking hate drawing and myself.

I CAN'T DRAW MOTHERFUCKING SHOES, OR FEET.
EVERYTHING COMES OUT AS MISSHAPEN STUMPS.
GOD PLEASE KILL ME IN MY FUCKING SLEEP.

EVERYTHING I DRAW IS FUCKING FLAT.
IT HAS NO MOTHERFUCKING VOLUME OR FORM OR SHIT.
FUCK YOU VILPPU. YOU DONT TEACH SHIT WITH YOUR ESOTERIC FAGGOT SHIT.
FEEL MY COCK MOTHERFUCKING GEEZER.

I missed the tits

>>6918539
copy some feet irl
then copy some feet from a drawing you like
then draw feet from imagination, use ref too
repeat process and switch order as necessary

>>6916735
>>6916761
>>6917156
So I've tried shading and colouring it in, how's it look?

>>6918539
No worries anon, try to draw photo references of shoes and feet, once you learn how to draw feed properly, simpler shoes like heels with their blocky clean shapes will be easy to add on

>>6918545
Again your stuff is super nice lol I would only add minor changes like drawing the second eye and smoothening out the neck area or else people will think it's a guy lol unless that's what you're going for

>>6918539
I usually imagine feet with these japanese socks. It simplifies everything, then you can add details.

>>6918487
>>6916536
Healthy Gamer https://www.healthygamer.gg/
Supposed to be this guy. He's not very famous, but I figure someone might get it.

>Cloud : Alright Sephiroth, hand me the lard
I should learn values and some rendering.
Any cool pointer to start?

>>6918539
this really helped me

>>6918153
ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT IMPENDING DOOM
THOSE CHUDDY GROYPERS GOT YOU FILLED WITH GLOOM

>>6918309
Like basically putting the simple shadow values from the still life onto the lineart?

I don't even know what I'm doing anymore

After almost a year of no drawing because I kept telling myself that I suck at it, I’m going to get back into it. Where should I relearn the fundamentals? Drawabox? A specific art book?

>>6918723
Don't skip leg day (work on your lega)

This is why I don't like printer paper.

>>6918726
Hello? Anyone?

Feet

>>6918726
What fundamentals in particular and in what order do you want to relearn them? Also what’s your preferred medium

>>6918795
>>6918726
the disgusting wagies are at their jobs.. Anyways, what do you want to draw? What is your biggest weakness? Got any work to post?

>>6918798
The basic fundamentals of art. I never really got to properly learn them since I always jump headfirst to just drawif whatever I want. From the first fundamental to what comes next. And since I’m not home atm I guess I’ll do traditional but I usually do digital

>>6918803
> what do you want to draw? What is your biggest weakness? Got any work to post?

I just want to properly learn how to draw the right way and be a better artist like everyone. I guess consistency is my weakness since I’m so inconsistently drawing things different. I don’t have anything physical to show

>>6918726
>Drawabox
Not that.

>>6918824
Why not?

Quick confirmation regarding breasts, when they grow from model to model due to fat or just naturally bigger size, the connection point maintains at the center of the chest and the growth is in a perfect 180-degree area downward due to gravity?
And what would be the difference between a busty 20-year-old and a 40-year-old with the same size? Just more sag?

>>6918807
draw-a-box could definitely be a good starting point, I don't have much experience with it myself. What you probably want is basic construction, perspective and forms (3d shapes). watch this video for a pretty good explaination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc

>>6918726
Easy, what really improved my drawings is "The art and science of drawing"

He explains it so that even the most low IQ retard can understand it, and even provides you with exercises for each chapter, really nicely structured book. It even goes into gesture/figure drawing at the end, but it's more focused on learning the fundies.

And good news, eviston will release a book just about figure drawing this month, can't wait.

>>6917887
so cute, needs to add about 5 years of age tho.

>>6917736
more sakura

>>6918726
>where should i relearn fundies?
depends on what you want to draw
anatomy perspective and form are probably what you're looking for
>drawabox?
no
>specific art book
depends again
>i dont know what i want to draw
then just draw. you'll figure out what you enjoy and dont enjoy doing

>>6918221
>tfw you will be never this smooth

>>6918554
Any feedback?

I used Avatar Roku as a reference for the shading

>>6918706
Yeah, like at least a contour line with some squiggles through it to mimic shade/shadow. Like the shading exercises for the cylinder, cube, and cone.

>>6918726
You must learn to draw what you ACTUALLY see — and not the symbols your brain THINKS you see. The first fundamental is learning how to see. I recommend Drawing On The Right Side of the Brain because that’s what I’ve got experience with. pawell would recommend Keys to Drawing. You could alternatively do either Brent eviston or Proko’s beg course, and pick up some other fundies besides just observation. One anon here is kicking ass with Proko’s fundamentals course. Point is, before you can draw anything, you gotta draw what you see, and you can’t draw if you can’t see.

AFTER YOU CAN SEE:
I doubt anons hating on drawabox have much personal experience with it. DAB is autistically rigid and grindy, but that can be helpful to some. It’s a good “baby’s first construction” boot camp that takes you all the way from “how do I make a good line” to constructing plants, bugs, vehicles, and animals. You don’t need to go through the entire course, though. Just up until you’re really able to feel the form and have a grasp of the concepts underlying constructive drawing. Then, with that foundation, you can learn from anything. But you’ll have an edge in terms of being able to “feel the form.” For me, that took until lesson 4.

If you’re gonna do DAB, you can probably skip the stuff on texture and dissections if you’re a brand new baby beg, all cute and full of potential, with no experience yet. That stuff is very advanced and kind of out of place in the course. You can watch the instructions and if you find it to be an impossible mindfuck, just skip it.

You could also/alternatively do moatdd/mark’s drawing tutorials exercises instead, to learn construction. It would get you to a similar place in terms of raw 3d drawing ability, but it would be completely self-directed. Sort of the opposite of DAB’s rigid approach to teaching.

Either option will brute force your ability to do constructive drawing. Do whichever you prefer.

>>6918776
Draw the spine, at least some basic bone/structure and so on, because her head doesn't connect correctly to her torso at all.

ok i don't get gestures
why are they useful? if i am meant to doodle a couple of lines that look like a person shouldn't i start already with the shapes instead of the curvy lines?

If anybody bites this I'm actually going to go fucking insane.

>>6919145
what?

>>6918501
Lmao I know who this is. Why are you like this?

>>6918523
>draws coom shit
>is surprised when mentally ill retards RP with his over sexualized shit
did he expect to attract normal people with his work?

>>6918085
Are you still not making your own heads? The red drawings hardly treat the sphere itself as a 3d object. The blue ones are a bit better, but not by much. You're not having fun with your pencil because you just copy.

>>6919142
It's like a blueprint of the action the pose has, to serve as guidelines for the more finished drawing, think of it as a sketch that emphasizes movement or flow

I dunno if this question is stupid or not but how do you stay organized when you draw in CSP? Especially when it comes to shading to not make a chaotic mess. A lot of youtubers have these detailed shading processes but the problem is that when you make a mistake, or want to make adjustments its way too hard to correct it.

>>6919180
Congratulations, you're retarded.
>>6919145

>>6916238
Any good complete full course set for absolute beginners out there that hand hold you through everything for drawing?
Most stuff I see online is a couple of minutes of an explanation of a concept and that's it, which isn't helpful. It doesn't tell you how or why, just what, and it doesn't tell you the most important part - how to actually learn and master the concept.
I'm looking for something more holistic.
Step 1 - lecture - practice - example what you want to hit and how to achieve it - step 2 - lecture - practice - example what you want to hit and how to achieve it - step 3 - lecture - practice - example what you want to hit and how to achieve it etc.

Did anyone get a good source for free dynamic women?
All my sources only have different women doing the same poses over and over but none dynamic.

>>6919191
Proko's beginner drawing. It's easily found if you're willing to sail

>>6919191
My guy, are we too lazy to get a pirated copy of a 50-year-old book, read it, and proof watch on YouTube to see if the formulas work and are applicable to your needs and wants?

Just draw circles in perspective until you can draw a torso ffs.

>>6919195
I tried shit like Loomis and a couple of other figure drawing ones + General Beginner.

They were either exactly like I explained, explaining concepts but not how to master them, or they were absolute shite, making you draw crumpled pamper and upside down which I'm pretty sure is not only not helpful, but actually counterproductive for the absolute beginner. You want to learn to simplify complex shit into easy 2D planes and 3D object, not focus on lines.

after abit of faffing about ive finally drawn some figures as a kind of exercise on poses, clothing, angles and etc. id like some insight over some mistakes I might of made, I can see afew but it helps to have another pair of eyes.

>>6919193
Is this what you are talking about?
https://online-courses.club/proko-drawing-basics-by-stan-prokopenko-1-67/

>>6919197
Try drawing like a sir then, he pretty much gives you a pure checklist of EVERYTHING you need for your objectives, plus how to achieve those objectives.

Here is the most simple and comprehensive list you will find, if this can't save you, go with God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjmOF1hQqI

>>6919197
you gotta understand lines to draw shit bro, drawing shit is just converting those visual concepts into lines.

>>6919202
I watched this and it's completely unusable.
No actual advice on drawing is given, let alone learning or mastering anything, just what concept to tackle in what order.

>>6919206
You learn and master things by just doing them until you can do it right. It's pretty much that simple.

>>6919206
Nigga...
How hard is it to draw a circle with your shoulder and apply basic perspective?

>>6919217
Drawing a circle in basic perspective teaches you nothing about drawing figures, heads, hands, feet, animals, plants, complex scenes etc.

oh no.... he's retarded...

>>6919225
No, I am for falling for such shit bait.

>>6919197
See >>6919098 if you’re serious and not trolling.
>making you draw crumpled pamper and upside down which I'm pretty sure is not only not helpful, but actually counterproductive for the absolute beginner.
No, that’s to try to teach you how to replicate what your eyes see without having your brain be able to turn it into a symbol. If you see a drawing of a guy in a chair, you’re gonna try to draw the symbols your brain uses as shorthand for “a guy in a chair.” If you turn it upside down, you just see a bunch of lines and the relationships between them, without anything to easily latch onto as a symbol/simplification. Copying that, just the lines and their angles and relationships, will help to break you from symbol drawing. It’s trying to train you to draw what you see rather than what you think you see.

>You want to learn to simplify complex shit into easy 2D planes and 3D object, not focus on lines.
That comes after you can draw what you see. You have to be able to see and analyze and understand what’s actually there before you can simplify it. Then you can go “hm, the simplification of this shadow shape begins about here, and it’s at this angle.” Or “the degree of the ellipse formed by this wheel is like that, so I’ll just put this cylinder here to match it.” Or “the tilt of this pelvis is like this, so I’ll tilt my box here like that.” But you’ve gotta be able to see first.

>>6919180
so i suppose i draw over it
i thought it wa some kind of exercise to learn poses and whatnot
I'm reading hampton and I'm a bit lost

>>6919187
stop being neurotic

>>6919243
Its a shorthand reproduction of a pose. You use it both to sketch and to simplify poses into an easier to remember form.

>>6919098
>You must learn to draw what you ACTUALLY see
unrelated but I never got this advice because I've always been drawing the shapes
not saying I am talented because I suck or but what kind of retard would try to draw without checking the shapes slightly

>>6919231
I don't have trouble with symbol drawing, and I'm pretty sure most people don't.

Focusing on breaking a habit you don't have makes you worse at progressing at art, not better.

>>6919098
Drawing On The Right Side of the Brain is absolute garbage, I wasted so much time on this shit book, don't even bother.

Telling a beginner to draw crumpled paper or textures or whatever has to be the most counterproductive thing you can make them do, and ebtrays that the teacher is an absolute moron.

If you are new find a good holistic course that was made 2010+, ot at least 2000+.

Forget these ancient shitty books.

>>6919283
seconding that book is shit

>>6919283
I think starting with that book is great advice, you just gotta ignore all that brain shit and stop reading after you are a quarter way through

>>6919187
tell me whats wrong about my statement

figures from imagination

Getting in touch with my inner schizo

>>6919283
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't be a player hater, hate the game. Bitch was not addressing your zoomie ass, consider the context 1979. NINETEEN SEVENTY NINE. People were just as dumb as you back then and didn't have this trove of knowledhe.
>Forget these ancient shitty books.

Burn the jedi books one must; page turners they were not.

anyways, retarded take, I've given a lecture on how to draw for "i cant draw a stick figure" tier people, and gave out MTG cards and told them to turn the image upside down and draw what they see. While I'm sure many don't endow their newfound art career to my lecture, at least some were suprised the end result wasn't as bad as they thought it would be AND THATS THE POINT OF THE BOOK. encouraging new ways of thinking and nueral pathways are what lifes about. You don't have the be the best at everything. You didn't have to memorize a part of the Bhagavad Gita, but I did anyways. You didn't have to learn the lords prayer as an atheist, but Our father, who art in Heaven, I did anyways.

See, you villianize the opposition, Betty Edwards? Some broad who can't draw from 79 gon tell me with all my infinite knowledge- STOP. The first part of actually being smart, mister Dunning Krueger (my initials btw), is accepting help because nobody has all the answers.

So no,
how about instead,
Forget these not-ancient shitty posts on 4chan.
like (you)rs.

Does anyone actually get anything out of this thread? Seems like mostly timeloops of the same arguments about the same books.

>>6919206
"You will not get better at art by just watching videos!"

It doesn't matter really what course you're starting with anon. The point is that you need to start learning the basics of drawing. Art is both theory and practice, just as any skill is, and you're knowledge will not grow unless you start moving your pencil. The beginning is the hardest part. What you're learning now seems unclear, but if you keep pushing through you will make breakthroughs at certain points. Guaranteed.

"You are now entering “The Fog.” You will have read this chapter and think you understand it—and perhaps you do—but it will seem foggy. That’s okay. If living in the fog becomes discouraging, look back two chapters and you should understand that chapter clearly. In two more chapters this chapter will be clear, assuming you keep studying."

So I drew this with reference/partially from imagination...however I dunno how my version of her looks so mean and off compared to the original, yet my brain can't really tell what the issue is?

I've only been drawing for a month but I dunno, what is it about mine that looks so ugly and mean, when the reference looks pleasant?

>>6919321
Ignore arguments. What you get out of this thread is that occasionally, if you are really lucky, someone will reply to the drawings you post and give you helpful advice.

>>6919327
Half of the arguments and "how do I start I can't draw anything" posts are bait anyways.

>>6919321
Keep drawing, post your work, respond to others work. Focus on what matters and you'll get something out of these threads. There are anons who do draw

>>6919326
you failed to reproduce the eye shape correctly and the expression is different. Were you intending to copy the image on the right or draw the character in a different position?

>>6919330
I used a different reference of her in an attempt to sorta train my brain to use imagination more.

This was the ref I used.

>>6919329
What? Why would anyone bother posting bait in this thread?

>>6919326
here

>>6919338
funny joke. If a serious question, it's because some people are faggots

>>6919347
Thanks! I'll use this tomorrow!

>>6918624
A-any feedback frens?

>>6919321
I ignore just about every post that does not have a drawing attached and isn't a (you). I just use this thread to keep the habit of posting drawings.

>>6918624
>>6919351
What feedback do you want? Your post wasn't really clear. You should try doing a simple rendering to the best of your ability so we can see what might be a helpful direction or pointer for you.

>>6919352
This is the way.

>>6919351
boring

>>6918624
Yeah just watch marco bucci for values and rendering

>>6919323
But that's the problem. Videos like that DON'T tell you what or how to practice.
They just explain a concept. Not how to learn it, Not how to apply it.
They don't teach jack shit.

>>6919352
this

>>6919352
You gonna ignore this post too?

>>6919364
Unironically post your work. What are you struggling with

>>6919356
Ah you are right, I should have been more precise as to me request.
I mostly was interested on the general figure / and impression the characters gives.

>>6919358
I'll check that, thank you.

>>6919326
So there are multiple issues with your drawing Anon.

Firstly there’s pretty much no perspective or shape in your drawing. You attempt it by drawing construction circles but you don’t move along the form of the ball causing it to look flat, same with the hair. For the shoulder area I’d try to imagine it as a box and build the body around it, or simplify it into simple shapes (I.e a cylinder for the arm, which can work here). Since this was an imagination attempt, it would be more successful if you found the simple shapes in her body (sphere for the head and the hair, etc) and built upon that.

Secondly you need to learn the skull and how it affects the structure of the head overall, as her head is just stylized. You also need to learn facial proportions

Lastly work on line confidence. Work on making smooth lines, drawing smooth and clear shapes, and drawing lines at different weights.

>>6919387
>Lastly work on line confidence. Work on making smooth lines, drawing smooth and clear shapes, and drawing lines at different weights.

That part i am working on, I am leagues better than I was a few weeks back but I agree could do with some work.

What parts could I have put shape in my drawing? I thought I did the head okay (considering this is actually the second head I've done like this) but how could I have exactly put more shape into it? Your sketch only shows her blobby pony tail with the contour lines but not the face/head.

I'm gonna screencap your post for later, I'm gonna draw her again tomorrow to see if I can improve her.

It did feel good drawing her though,

>>6919326
To add on to my previous response what makes yours so less appealing is the inherent lack of femininity in the drawing (large forehead, thick neck, roughly drawn features, etc). Draw women with thinner necks, smoother and curvier lines, and emphasis on the feminine features such as the brows, lip shape, etc

>>6918723
Nice Moai, keep it up anon! try to do more timed 5 minute figures if you're not sure what to aim for

>>6919397
Trust me, the last thing I wanted was to make her NOT look feminine.

I merely just lacked the experience to pull it off. Again appreciate this brutally honest critique, I'll redo her and see if I can make her look good.

>>6919391
There are some contour lines in the face/head of my drawing, they’re just a bit hard to see. I drew an ellipse on the side of her head and draw around the front of her head to label the eyes(you can see it a bit between them). Though I probably didn’t emphasize it enough as is, the head can absolutely be used as a shape here. As for additional shapes I think you could’ve put a box for the perspective of the shoulder/torso area. For a ref like this since you can’t see the full body I think finding a box in that area is best

>>6919406
Gotcha, will try that out also.

I am screencapping and adding your critiques to a screenshot as I said I would. Again thank you for this.

I will say btw that I struggled to even do a head ,like the one I drew (as bad as it was), months ago, which I guess shows even when you think you get something, you still have a long way to go before you can make truly appealing stuff.

I made this in 5 minutes should I finish it? I'm afraid my family will find out

>>6919427
show it to your mom and tell her its the two of you

>>6919428
But does it look hot?

>>6919427
What do you intend to "finish"?
It's a rough sketch / gesture drawing, there's nothing to finish, unless you mean do lineart above it.

1. What should i draw today?
2. How do i get started on figure drawing exercises? No book/course recommendations. Just straight up what do i do how many repetitions and how much time total.

(pretty please)

>>6919529
>What should i draw today?
fat, ugly old man getting blown by another fat, ugly old man
>How do i get started on figure drawing exercises?
literally just start. pick what you want to focus on (gesture, construction, with or without a reference, etc) and do it a lot. if you need a strict(er) format, set an hour for drawing. if that's too easy and you want to push yourself do more. or, if you wish, set your own number of drawings you want to hit and adjust day by day.

>>6919537
>literally just start. pick what you want to focus on (gesture, construction, with or without a reference, etc)
pretty broad not good for my decision paralysis.
I'll just pick one thing and do random poses from posemaniacs so drawing with reference and construction.

>>6919541
>pretty broad
then pick yourself and stop making excuses

Hello beg, the FUN STARTS now!

>>6919427
everything should be finished otherwise you risk turning into NGMI
>afraid
dont worry, everybody knows drawers jerk it off to their artwork
>>6919351
there is nothing inherently wrong or praise worthy. just keep drawing
>>6919338
there are way too many crabs around /beg. and they have many ways of crabbing people like posting bullshit and then crab them from back!
>>6919319
thumbs up for fish lens
>>6919198
i am not good enough to point mistakes here. good job!
>>6919191
keys to drawing
>>6919185
me as beg when i render i keep to minimum layers, usually 1 for background and 1 for object. keep it simple
>>6919176
honestly i dont know how much more i could treat sphere to be more 3D
>copy
cannot copy what you dont see and that is what the red heads are about
>>6919016
i am not a fan of constant line weight, the color choice, the general stiffness of it all and the shading style. you should be aware that the show you are copying from is ANIMATION yet your pic is still picture: it deserves more love
>>6918726
if you dont PYW all i can give you is keys to drawing
>>6918723
you are drawing. nice smug cat btw
>>6918487
>time are you spending on each head?
the last time i measured it was about 8 minutes per head. But it is worth noting after i finish 1 head my flow breaks and i procrastinate before next head so it is probably lower number
>>6918466
well then pick up figure books you like?
>Bart Sears Drawing Powerful Heroes Brutes and Babes
>Fujii handsome Introduction to Manga Character Drawing 360°
>Hikaru Hayashi Drawing the Female Figure
>Tom Fox Anatomy for Artists
>KOSAIDO How to draw a boy (shota)
>Keita Kurosaka Powerful drawing of girls body

>>6919543
I will sorry.
Its just easy to get put off by the amount of choices presented.
I know the answer is to just draw a true and tried truth but still.
I wish i had a personal tutor who'd just assign me homework and check in on my progress. Having to learn everything on my own is tough.

Just drawing what's in front of me; missed many flaw marks, but made it look cluttered/can't show that yet so left some out.
quarter head tilt my beloved...

>>6919547
honesty I shouldn't have reacted so sternly, my bad.
>I wish i had a personal tutor who'd just assign me homework and check in on my progress. Having to learn everything on my own is tough.
there are resources such as tutors, web tutorials, and books that can be of more or less help along that goal - but obviously some of that costs money. otherwise you just have to take what you can get and live with the fact that your conditions may never be 100% ideal - such is life. you may simply have to be your own teacher, imposing a study regiment on yourself. ultimately I would think that the best thing to do, as you can gauge how much/little you can reasonably do in whatever amount of time while still pushing yourself to improve. perhaps run an experiment for a week and track your progress. obviously some threads here can be of some benefit in critique, but you have to take it with a grain (or heap) of salt. perhaps you're focusing too much on the bigger picture. you can only progress from where you are, so pick one thing (say gesture) and study that for a week. there are resources here and elsewhere that break up the fundamentals. pick something and just do it. move on to the next. you will never perfect any of them in a short amount of time, but if you stay consistent and are very intentional about your drawing you will make improvements.

>>6919561
Its doable solo i'm just super bad at self-learning.
If i told you how little drawing i've done in the past month you'd call me names instantly.
I intend to improve on that but i have been intending on it for like a year+ now.

I'll just check out the Drawing Daily general and try to get it done finally.

>>6919590
Seems the drawing daily general doesn't exist anymore.
That's a bad omen.

>>6919586
that art is intelligent in a manner artificial

>>6919594
Get used to it. Jannies haven't deleted anything ai related for like a week+.

aitroonies triggered once more huh lol even

>>6919586
>>6917887
fun style some good choices whats the prompt or style bucket?

Other than that whats the point of posting this here? at least learn and experiment with composition or digital compositing to fit here better, compositing + controlnet is a very cool way to experiment with composition.

fabric is harder than perspective
criticize the hell out of me

>>6919221
>a circle
>in basic perspective

>>6919618
You to be aware of the tension points/where does the fold originate when drawing clothes

>>6916238

>plastic cup and straw
not aroused

>>6919697
is a symbol for your penor

Im having a hard time with 3/4 view.
please help, critique, redline. whatever you can.
hepl.

wip, Haven't drawn KLK since high school.

>>6919676
SOUL,I really like good job anon

>>6919756
Don't bullshit me man.
Elongated and with bad line quality.

>>6919759
perhaps, but I like it reminds me of egon schiele

>>6918868
how about you fucking post the pdf you fucking shill?

>>6918501
This is the first time i come here and really like the pure unbridled rage you show here anon.
I like you.
Also is Art and Science of Drawing good enough for a complete beginner?
I did Draw a Box for less than a month a couple of years ago but i never followed with that.

>>6919152
You dont know me.
>>6919818
Brent Eviston is the top dog for begs. He explains everything in a very down to earth way instead of esoteric shit like Vilppu.

I've been trying to draw some anime characters but there aren't too many poses I can find off google images of them that I like and I don't feel like watching the shows just to screencap poses to use

might be one of those times I have to give up and find someone else to draw

any /int/'s have tips for stylized bodies?

Day 20 of learning the basics n whatnot. Just the usual stuff today, doodles, master study, refs, line practice, etc. Though, his time I tried adding basic shading/shadows to my line art practice like an anon suggested. Dunno if I did it right, but it was pretty cool. Also the more i do my line art practice, the more i realize I really suck at getting the right proportion, which i guess isn't really the point, but still. feelsbadman

i guess i kinda gave up huh
god speed beg go on without me

>>6919397
Damn, those skulls have barely any differences.

Thoughts on the shading and the colors

>>6919855
you cant draw stylised bodies if you cant draw real bodies

Tried a portrait attempt. My first attempt in a while. Its obvious i didnt focus on structure so i might go back to figuring out a template like the loomis head or maybe something from morpho.

>>6920096
Lighting studies. I can obviously do basic shapes like cubes and too a degree spheres. Polygonal shapes are a little more complex but i feel like obsessing so much might be a /beg/ trap. Gonna upload some gestures too.

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>>6920100

I drew something.

it is now time
to draw

>>6920030
Incorrect, but drawing real bodies is immensely helpful

>>6920142
perhaps it is incorrect but it is the correct attitude. being reluctant to learn proper anatomy but wanting to stylise it, that is the incorrect attitude, even if its possible.
and it will get you nowhere, basically.

we are so fucking back boys, confidence, good vibes, just draw and honest work, Im all about that shit, lets goooooo

Why are ribs so hard to draw? Is there another way I should approach learning anatomy or i start from bones?

>>6920242
ribs do not end at "ribcage contour" but attached to a spine

>>6920249
I know but i messed up the placement so I gotta remake the drawing part and make it again lol

>>6919544
I'm not ngmi, I already didn't make it.

>>6919594
>>6919598
how can you tell its ai

>>6920350
anon, ngminess is not an individual act, it is a state of being. read Plato.

>>6920354
just look at it

>>6920357
i cant tell its ai its why im asking you.
any criteria? anything you can point out?

>>6920354
for me it's mostly the hair: the way some of the ends curve and thin out. though there are more subtle things like the fingers on the right hand, the left nipple, the expression, and the general sheen and color of the figure.

>>6919590
I don't know you personally, but for me the best thing that helps keep me on schedule is externalizing my goals. I have a daily to-do list which makes me much more likely to accomplish my goals. it might seem kind of dumb and even pathetic, but if it works who cares as far as I'm concerned. tape stuff to your walls, set alarms on your phone, whatever you can do to remind yourself to do what you want/need to do.

>>6920363
sounds like a load of horseshit to me

>>6920411
not entirely unwarranted. these things are sometimes hard to understand unless you see enough of it. it's like distinguishing between japanese people, koreans, and chinamen. you may not be able to explicitly explain how you can distinguish them, but if you see enough of them you can get pretty accurate at doing so. just takes time for some people.

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>>6919098
Symbol drawing is such a meme.
I'm pretty sure 905+ of people never have a problem with symbol drawing. They just draw bad what they see, not a symbol of it.

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