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How have you integrated AI into your workflow?

>> No.6913990

There is no room for it for me, it would only get in the way.

If I had some involved process like flats and layers etc, I can see a use. automatic flats? would you do it manually if it did the job as good if not better than you?

>> No.6913992

also those people in those chambers are just heads stored. they dead bro.

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>>6913982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTBCzH1UyNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNvD8ePFHs

>> No.6914012

>>6914000
reddit moment

>> No.6914018

>>6914012
AI faggotry sure is.

>> No.6914025
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6914025

yes, only been using it for 1 week and i already make better stuff than 99% of what is posted on this board.

>> No.6914026

>>6914025
But you didn't make it.

>> No.6914028

>>6914026
but he "engineered" it, "prompted" it. would you deny the sculptor his due for using the chisel?

>> No.6914029

>>6914028
He didn't engineer it either.

>> No.6914036

>>6914025
you didn't make shit because you didn't draw it. anyone can roll the face over the keyboard using the art of their betters. it doesn't make you the same as them I'm afraid

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>>6914036
>>6914026
It's original art created by me, posted by me. Funny thing is I can probably draw better than you without AI too.

>> No.6914050

>>6914025
make?

>> No.6914053

>>6914025
Blog?
Looks cool asf.

>> No.6914059
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>>6914053
I don't have a blog just a portfolio for business that I keep private.

>> No.6914069

>>6914059
Ah sad but understandable.
Keep on keeping on anon

>> No.6914074

>>6913982
Haven't, so far. I work almost exclusively traditional, and while it's easier to get images for reference this way, getting anything specific out of all the image generators is basically like playing a slot machine. It's gonna generate something slightly off/widely off from what you want 99 out of 100 times.
>6914047
>It's original art created by me
It literally wasn't created by you.
>posted by me
I know you're trolling, and I want you to know that you're just as boring in it as all the idiots passing through here for the past six months to recycle the same arguments. The only thing funny is the irony of how unimaginative you are.

>> No.6914077

>>6913982
an AI thread a day keeps the gains away

>> No.6914083

>>6914025
>yes, only been using it for 1 week
Funny thing that. it is totally fun for a week.
how long will you continue to use it? Imagine a decade from now, you've been prompting everyday, I've been drawing. Who is going to be an art god? me. You? I have your powers too, everyone does, prompting ain't a skill.

>> No.6914087

>>6914047
>Funny thing is I can probably draw better than you without AI too.
Then show us

>> No.6914088

AI will replace the AI prompters

>> No.6914089
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>>6914079
You didn't prove otherwise, so I really don't think so.
>>6914074
If you only knew there are literally 100s of tools and extensions for generative AI that allows you to get 99% of the way of what you are trying to achieve and not just prompt and pray.
I also know how to use 3DCG. It's all literally just tools to me just like using pictures for references or a live model for a figure drawing.

>> No.6914092

>>6914089
>You didn't prove otherwise, so I really don't think so.
I will post my work if you post yours first, since you started it.

>> No.6914093

>>6914047
But you still used AI because you're a no draw faggot.

>> No.6914094
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6914094

honestly? this is what you want to create? you have the power of all the artists at your disposal and your ideas are "warrior" "lady" "painting lady" ? you gotta try harder if you want to stand out among AI artists.

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>>6913992
>Some day, in the distant future, Bessie will live again.

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>>6914093
>>6914094
>>6914092
>>6914087
>>6914083

How about you guys keep working on your drawing skills for a few more years, surely you will be good enough by then to actually POST YOUR WORK without being embarrassed.

In the meantime i will post ORIGINAL ART that I CREATED.

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>>6914107
>he was lying
>"POST YOUR WORK without being embarrassed."
>he was projecting

no surprises here.

>> No.6914120

>>6914107
I find digital trying to larp as trad paintings hilarious and pathetic, ai or not

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>>6914119
cool anime protagonist.

>> No.6914127

>>6914120
I kinda get it. fake impasto might be the worst offender.
I did see it used to good effect on pixel art one time, but that was still unabashedly presenting as pixel art.

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>>6914126
Seriously consider what I said instead of jumping to the defensive. 10 years from now. you gonna spend all that time prompting? feels kinda pathetic no? drop the "you are losers" act and consider it.

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>>6914131

You are the one projecting.
I am simply making art while getting attacked from like 5 people in this thread. As soon as i called you out, you get defensive. I have already worked in the entertainment industry as an artist. You are glorifying the idea of putting pen on paper as if it makes you better some way. You are stuck making cave paintings while the rest of the world moved on.

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merc_vip, anybody remember this meme?

>> No.6914168

If AI is good enough to satisfy your urge for art, good for you
But I think lots of artists, the more creative ones anyway, have a detailed vision in their mind's eye so far as composition, colors, detail, the whole picture is concerned which AI cannot understand
Until AI can literally read your mind, it will be inferior to actually having the skill to do it yourself, provided you have such a detailed vision

But for more generic shit, why not? Like the pic in the OP - if the main giveaway that the comic is AI is the font itself and not the style of the image, that means these redditors actually enjoyed the drawing, & the effect on them was identical to if an actual man drew it. In that sense I do side with the AI bros kinda. If the AI can make the exact thing you want already, why not just... use it?

>> No.6914185

>>6913982
I keep thinking about trying it out for references, or as a base image, or to cut up to start a photo base, but honestly that seems less fun than just drawing it for myself.

>>6914028
It's hard to even want to discuss AI with people when you get legitimate retarded argument like this. Should someone claim they drew a picture they found, because they printed it out? >"Printers are just tools bro, it was a collaboration between me, google, and the printer - the printed image would never have existed without me having decided to print it, thus I created said physical image, I drew it."

>> No.6914186

>>6914145
>You are the one projecting.
I'm not, what am I projecting?
>you are glorifying the idea of putting pen on paper as if it makes you better some way
I'm asking you to be honest with yourself. I don't care about industry, I'm talking your art.

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>>6914186
>I'm not, what am I projecting?
Embarrassment to post your own work.
>you gonna spend all that time prompting? feels kinda pathetic no?
No. Also i will only spend a fraction of the time prompting that i would otherwise spend drawing.
>I'm asking you to be honest with yourself.
>Seriously consider what I said instead of jumping to the defensive.

Now you are projecting your own insecurities onto me.

I love using these tools. In the end I learned to draw to create images, i didn't learn to draw for the sake of just drawing. Drawing is a boring lonely activity, I don't particularly like drawing but i do like the satisfaction of creating a nice end result. In my opinion I am 10 times the artist you are when you have an obsession with what tools are being used.

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>>6914209
>Drawing is a boring lonely activity, I don't particularly like drawing
Shad... join a draw pile, it's fun.

>> No.6914230

>>6914223
this mogs all of the unimaginative AI shit trolls are fake praising on here. Nothing beats a creative line drawing.

>> No.6914234

>>6913982
>AI 'comic'
Out of all AIshit the shittiest are AI 'comics' that look like they've been put together by someone who's never read a comic/manga in their life.
Also why are they always about some cyberpunk/dystopian shit?

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>>6914230
good times had by all, enjoyed seeing this thing emerge from my alien.

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>>6914234
>Also why are they always about some cyberpunk/dystopian shit?
Ironic shitposting perhaps?

>> No.6914427

>>6914107
How about you kill yourself so you don't shit up the board?

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I think it should be pointed out just how ugly and dysgenic most AI proponents are. One look at these people and you should know this shit is no bueno.

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>>6915484
Lol this idiot is grifting the dev server I'm on. I wish I had nothing to do with him

>> No.6915731

>>6914089
>If you only knew there are literally 100s of tools and extensions for generative AI that allows you to get 99% of the way of what you are trying to achieve and not just prompt and pray.
I know about them. All the ones I've seen are shit to some extent and you end up going in circles trying to trick the machine into spitting out what you see in your head. If you believe there is some that can do what I said (and I mean 99% of the way, like you said, not 75% like what I suspect it is at best) without the need of pointless back and forth and writing a paragraph of machine-friendly gibberish to do what I can just do by simply doing what I already know how to do (painting), then name it.

>> No.6915743

>>6913982
I'm ashamed to admit it, but yes, what a godly tool for inspiration and reference

>> No.6915788

>>6915731
Jesus christ dude if you heard about controlnet then you wouldn't hold that opinion so I don't think you are versed very well with the tooling

>> No.6915816
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The AI debate is annoying because it's essentially two factions of retards missing the big picture and fleeing from their own shadow. AI is garbage at making original, imaginative work. What it's great at - phenomenal at, really - is generating quick mockups and detailed references in an approximate generic style, which can then be referenced and interpreted (made artful) by a human artist with a specific vision. No longer do you have to cobble together multiple references into a cohesive image, AI can do at least some of the work for you. To not use it in this fashion is to shun the greatest reference machine ever conceived.
It's not mogging artists, it's mogging stock photo repositories. Probably why Getty and the like are getting in on this thing before they're obsoleted.

>> No.6915826

>>6914000
god damn i still couldn't imagine what it would be like to be a crippled artist who paints with your feet or even mouth and now these loser faggot techbros are now using you as their scapegoat truly deplorable behaviour

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>>6914059
>I don't have a blog just a portfolio for business that I keep private.

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>>>6914059
>>I don't have a blog just a portfolio for business that I keep private.

>> No.6915840

>6915712
>the future of anime

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>>>>>>>6914059
>>>>>>I don't have a blog just a portfolio for business that I keep private.

>> No.6915866

>>6915816
true. Though I've seen trad artists use it as reference and copy it way too close and it still looks like an ai pic lmao. Cheapens the whole end result.

>> No.6915955

generative AI is a legal timebomb.

the copyright alliance and the news media group (lead by NYT) both uploaded a 100 pages pdf explaining how legislation doesn't protect the training of AI using copyrighted content.

https://www.newsmediaalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/AI-White-Paper-with-Technical-Analysis.pdf

https://copyrightalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Copyright-Alliance-Response-to-USCO-NOI-FINAL.pdf

it destroys every single fair use argument case by case, with precedents and comparing with current legislation.

although one company will greatly benefit from generative AI, and that company is nVidia, they were smart enough to use machine learning to make computer graphics without diving into the copyright landering fuckery.

>> No.6915959

>>6915955
I can hear tripfag seething from a mile away... Footsteps.. he's on his way.. screaming... He mad boi.

>> No.6915965

>>6915959
Also one of the main argument that is being used is that there is a huge licensing market that generative AI disrupts, and that in the future if people want to license their works to be used in AI, strong regulation and transparency will be needed.

The current framework (opsie we just scrapped the entire internet to train our model tehehe) puts that new licensing market in jeopardy, and there are some big players wanting do deal with licensing works for AI.

>> No.6915973

>>6915965
I've made that argument here before. good to know the professionals are on it.

>> No.6915974

>>6915973
there is this very weird future possibility that licensing AI for limited uses could become more profitable for artists than commissions or patreon.

>> No.6915982

>>6915974
as someone who has put a lot of time into a 2d game asset pack, if the price was right, yeah I'd license that. especially as later on real-time diffusion in-game could make new assets on the fly procedurally. people will want legal ethical ways to do that.

>> No.6915985

>workflow

Work is for suckers. I make art to play, and letting some computer play instead of me sounds like cuckshit

>> No.6915986

if you are threatened by AI as an artist youre retarded

if you think you're an artist because you can prompt as a programmer, you are retarded

if youre an artist using ai to help create art then you're normal

it's literally that simple. Panicking over AI is a meme and a trend.

>> No.6915989

>>6913982
placeholder assets for demos on my games,
digital compositing
magic eraser
style transfer
UV maps
interpolation and inbetweening
upscale old artwork done on a potato

>> No.6915999

>>6915982
exactly, and the tech has potential, what is being discussed, is why the fuck stability or microsoft or facebook are allowed to use the copyrighted work of every-fucking-one and put it behind a paywall?

that shit violates current law, not future legislation, current law.

if they want to use AI by training on existing works they have to pay, that's simply it.

One of the most interesting parts of the document is the characterization and labelling, they say they refuse to call artwork and music and text used by AI as "data", it's not data, it's work, and work that is being used in legal violation.

>> No.6916004

>>6915989
>UV maps
projection mapping or is there some new stuff?

>> No.6916027

>>6915986
if you're an artist using ai to help create art then you're retarded
as well as if you use cuckspacing

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>>6915986
>if youre an artist using ai to help create art then you're
retarded and a cuck

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>>6916060
>it's the latest take from anime-girl-drawer-in-void-artist on twitter
Copied any nip drawings lately? It would be embarrassing were it not so tragic.

>> No.6916096

>>6916072
I bet you're the kind of retard that thinks AI is fine just because it's used in the background. You have no right to talk, hack.

>> No.6916107

>>6915816
Holy shit is that a B-B-B-BASED RETARD???! Drawing from life? NOT GONNA FUCKING MAKE IT! Drawing from AI? +999999 PATREON COOM DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN YOUR ACCOUNT WE'RE GOING TO THE MOOOON WAGMI

>> No.6916110

>>6916096
It's the same thing as photobashing backgrounds, which mangaka do in droves. But no, I don't like the look of raw AI images. I just think it's funny how much asshurt the tech causes in "artists".
If you're a serious artist, use the tech to drastically increase productivity and shit all over tacky techbros with no ideas. They literally can't compete with actual creatives assisted by machines. This shit uses natural language, you're on even ground with them for once, gape their anuses wide open using their own machines.

>> No.6916115

>>6916060
what a nuanced and mature opinion. Great argument, brainlet. My using AI to generate references and concepts is not threatening you. What you should be concerned with is the fact that you're a permabeg who can't do shit with or without ai

>why is AI bad?
>it-it just is okay! cuck! cuck!

>> No.6916116

>>6916107
what are you even saying retard

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the only way I'd ever use AI is for coloring, I've studied figure drawing, perspective, anatomy, and all the fun stuff but I couldn't care less about color theory and rendering
I don't care about ultra-rendered turds and I hate when women make ugly faces with super pretty colors. If I can use AI for coloring then I'm happy kek
but all the programs I've seen always change the line-art. and I don't want that, I already know how to draw I don't want this shit to change my drawing
I'll wait for the perfect program

>> No.6916137

I enjoyed fucking around with AI, but it's flaws are immediately clear. Felt more like a casual toy than a tool.
It's very telling that most AI users with no background in art think it's going to replace anything, they've never had to make the aesthetic and selective choices that make up a style of art.
Personally, I spend a lot of time thinking about what I find aesthetically pleasing and not all of those results can be regurgitated by an AI unless they specifically train on the end result of my thoughts.
Without full control of the output, AI will always be lesser because you can't control every single "choice" it makes (and this includes all the complicated extensions made to try and make the AI less unruly.)
AI is always rough because anything based on a corpus of work always lends itself to the prior works of others, rather than your individual choices.

>> No.6916148

>>6916004
image to mesh > edit whats necessary > create uv map > bake to uv map > fine adjustments in your image editing software and use that instead

there are people working in ai uv unwrappers which honestly would be incredible.

>> No.6916156

>>6916110
>gape their anuses wide open using their own machines.
That gave some vivid imagery in my mind, I can't quite manage to get Dalle3 to make reference for this however.

>> No.6916162
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I've come up with a complex process to integrate AI into my workflow in order to optimize page views and engagment from high-value followers.

My AI-assisted workflow translating the idea from my brain to digital art with my trained artistic eye is
>draw something
>post on art platform
>Get asked by the platform if this is AI
>say it is as a joke
>post

>Get very low engagment even for my skill level (i'm some NGMI loser but the numbers still get divided by 10)
>I assume anyone worth having as a follower has a browser extension blocking slop and would instantly block me if they noticed half my work has the mark of the beast
>O P T I M I Z E D

>> No.6916163

>>6916148
>there are people working in ai uv unwrappers
They would deserve a nobel prize. I need this asap. I'm dying...

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Finally, with the epic help of the AI, the normie can experience what it's like creating art and being an artist and be the epic engineer who prompts the epic images so that everyone likes and subscribes to him and then he can sell those magical digital engineered images made with the epic magic science tool, on patreon.. just like artist do!

AI is the midwit's ultimate redemption tool, another substitute for ego without the need to put in any real work, hence why they're so adamant about pushing it.
>"WOW I CAN BE LE ARTISTE? DRAWING WITH MY MIND?!?! WOWOWOWOW!!"
Just realize that these faggots are taking and memeing randomly generated images as their own skill. This should tell you how desperate they are for any kind of recognition.


The most retarded, autistic permabeg doodler is way more valuable than the most intelligent AI prompt-gineer worshipper making countless realistically rendered "just like a real photograph" images.

lol and lmao

>> No.6916191

>>6916115
It's not a threat, you're still a faggot.

>> No.6916194

>>6916148
> billions wasted on scrapping the internet of art from artists to regurgitate it back, only to see it all implode with US copyright law.

> meanwhile no fucking AI UV unwrapper yet,

helping artists to be productive my ass,

>> No.6916200

>>6916191
get all those feelings out anon, get your little dopamine rush from arguing.

All done honey?

>> No.6916203

>>6916194
I'd settle for a modern photoshop that never lagged.

>> No.6916222

>>6916194
Different problems have different difficulty curves, at the end everything adds in the evolution of stuff. Retopology and unwrapping is way more complex task than figure drawing.

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lol

>> No.6916274

>>6916269
You happy with that? You don't have a strong urge to fix the glaring errors after posting it?

>> No.6916284

>>6916194
Gaussian splatter is working it's way up to replace rasters

>> No.6916289

>>6916284
how does that work for non-real stuff? every example I find is more akin to photogrammetry.

>> No.6916292

>>6916284
but you can't model in gaussian splatters yet, also they seem more expensive to render than polygons.

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>>6916274
i didn't make that. i'm just posting examples.

>> No.6916346

>>6916301
er, why post examples? we are talking about workflows. these images are basically just spam without further context.

>> No.6916394

>>6915955
genAI is fucking terrible for games, fake frames muddy the end result which defeats the purpose on a high end card and it only enables devs to be even lazier and avoid optimizing their games. It would be fine if it was implemented into streaming services to fix dropped frames.

>> No.6916398

>>6916274
he never posts anything he makes himself without it being blurred to the point where you can't see anything anyway

>> No.6916402

>>6916398
he's so ashamed of his AI position he can't associate his work with it you see. he'll get in trouble with the art-police if somebody recognizes him, and he's far too fragile to handle that.

>> No.6916412

>>6916402
which is why he always has to talk about it on /ic/ instead to try to progress peoples opinions on it, truly sad

>> No.6916439

>>6916412
it's only driven me further from ever using AI to keep my distance from AIfags like him.

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>>6916398
>>6916402
>>6916412
pic related as a reminder for you buttdevastated, gossipy shitters.
and you can already see the change even itt. anons opinions on AI are not quite as extreme and a kneejerk rejection as they were before.

>>6916346
i like to post different looking pieces as a reminder to people who think they know what AI art looks like.

but to make a point: the people who made these two gens, unless it was a simplistic prompt or just pure luck, probably know how to recreate similar images.
and just by having these images, you get the ability to extract the style or palette or even just general mood of the image.
and if you know the method to creating a certain look in AI, then you also gain the ability to use that for your own work.
i'm particularly talking about styles of rendering, color palettes and stuff like that.

>> No.6916444

>>6916441
He had to be trolling. that's no BTFO. I was the requester and knew it was real first glance and had no qualms.

>> No.6916445

>>6916441
and that's not related to AI prompting
>and you can already see the change even itt. anons opinions on AI are not quite as extreme and a kneejerk rejection as they were before
so you admit you're constantly shitting up the place to get it more accepted it for a ngmi like yourself

>> No.6916447

>>6916441
>who think they know what AI art looks like.
er... well those just look like average /sdg/ spam.

>> No.6916463
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>>6916445
no? i'm saying that the misinformed people with kneejerk reactions are shitting up the discouse with their idiocy.

>and that's not related to AI prompting
how is that not related to AI prompting?
ai is not only about prompting in the first place. like i said, if you know the method to creating a certain look, you can use it as a base for your own work. this is just for coloring.

>>6916120
there are loras that "remove" lines.
then you just have to put your lineart on top of the gen as a layer and you're halfway there. this is what i did in pic related.


>>6916447
it is sdg stuff mostly. the point is not just the AI generations, it's up to you to think about how you can utilize this stuff artistically.

>> No.6916475

>>6916463
Blah blah blah you lack skill and talent and want AI to be seen as legitimate so you can feel like a great artist. Nobody will ever buy it. You're super obvious my dude. No actually good artist cares to pick up these "tools" because they actually can like...ya know, do it. You embarrass yourself every time you post and win over nobody, I promise you.

>> No.6916480

>>6916463
>it's up to you to think about how you can utilize this stuff artistically.
I did think about it. And I thought I would feel disconnected from my works using it. I'm proud of my work, if I have it do the hard stuff, I won't grow.

>> No.6916489

>>6916480
the same can be said for 3d models and pros use them anyway.
but yes, if you want to focus on growth, it's better to do everything manually.
but there comes a point where it's not about growth anymore and you want to produce shit. that's where the 3D, the photobashing, and where AI can come in as well.

>> No.6916494

>>6916489
>there comes a point where it's not about growth anymore
From the age of six I had a penchant for copying the form of things, and from about fifty, my pictures were frequently published; but until the age of seventy, nothing I drew was worthy of notice.

At seventy-three years, I was somewhat able to fathom the growth of plants and trees, and the structure of birds, animals, insects and fish.

Thus when I reach eighty years, I hope to have made increasing progress, and at ninety to see further into the underlying principles of things, so that at one hundred years I will have achieved a divine state in my art, and at one hundred and ten, every dot and every stroke will be as though alive.

Hokusai: Postscript to One Hundred Views of Mt Fuji, 1834

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>>6916494
it sounds nice but you can always keep a sketchbook and that will still be the main source of improvement for most artists, including hokusai.

>> No.6916519

>>6916463
blurred garbage again you can only post the same ones too, i'm pretty sure if people really wanted to recognize you they'd be able to from the blurred pics too anyway

>> No.6916525

>>6916463
>there are loras that "remove" lines.
then you just have to put your lineart on top of the gen as a layer and you're halfway there. this is what i did in pic related.
so you traced an AI generated piece? makes sense why you don't want to post the unblurred version

>> No.6916537

>>6916525
nope. the image is generated using my lines in the first place.
but the output is tuned so it doesn't have any lines for the most part.
then i put my sketch back on top again in PS. the next step would be to bring it together.

>> No.6916547

>>6916537
shut up parasite. You can't draw or paint. You blur your shit because you're insecure and know you're bullshitting.

>> No.6916548

>>6916514
>it sounds nice but
Would you have advised hokusai use AI to generate shit for his "produced" work? any of the artists who inspired you personally to get into art? especially artists who primarily use line.
As reference is about the only thing I can think could have a use for them, but even then, by using real reference, you are connecting with that reference, a real thing, a real moment in history. Often I'm learning history as I seek particular references. and if your reference is art, that artist is real, you are carrying on a legacy. if your reference is 3d models, someone made those too. With AI, you are referencing a machines interpretation, it's... spurious.

>> No.6916552

>>6916547
lol....

>> No.6916556

>>6916547
DESU I'm pretty sure tripfag is a bunch of discord trannies for how often them seem to spam 24/7.
>pretty sure tripcigan mention they're with multiple people before and used we

>> No.6916558

>>6916547
he needs to just stick to /g/ i don't know why he thinks that aislop will ever be appreciated here

>> No.6916561

>never drawn in my life
>see drawing i don't like
>"do you even know how to draw? this sucks ass"
>opinion disregarded

>never prompted in my life
>see gen i don't like
>"what is this shit? it looks so bad lmao"
>opinion disregarded

>> No.6916571

>>6916561
Who itt are you referring to?

>> No.6916579

>>6916571
you

>> No.6916583

>>6916558
>synthography will never be accepted on /ic/
you speak for everyone?

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>>6916579

>> No.6916593

>tripfag still being an attention whore constructing his own reality where he's accepted

>> No.6916594

>>6916548
hokusai is in a completely different age for art. but for modern artists i look up to... probably not desu. but i also wouldn't know what they would really do with it.
it's a bit hard to imagine. especially because AI isn't as simple as it seems. you cannot actually just pick it up and do stuff with it. not if you want to have control.

*I* primarily use line. and one of my reasons for using AI is because i want to stay focused on lines and not bother as much with painting.
and actually if you use lines above the AI generation, it's one of the best ways to keep the likeness of your art and style.

and yes i agree, reference is one of the better ways to utilize AI.
but i do think it also extends to underpaintings or undersketches because you can experiment a lot through the AI.
and that output, even if you don't use it directly (!), is perfect reference material. it's reference that is directly tailored to your piece.

like with >>6916463, if i really wanted full control, i could just not use the AI stuff and only use it as a reference instead.
and it would still have done a lot for me in terms of inspiration, experimenting with colors, values, etc etc.

>> No.6916598

>>6916593
they might be a woman

>> No.6916599

>>6916552
Post right here and now unfiltered images of your sketch work and FINALLY you'll have what you desire and we'll all sit here open eared about what you have to say about the validity of AI. Otherwise kindly shut the fuck up forever. It had better be good stuff though, what with you tripfagging and acting like your opinion matters.

>> No.6916602

>>6916599
They know their opinion will never matter here they just REALLY REALLY want to post on /ic/ instead of /g/

>> No.6916605

>>6916599
he's gay for blurring his work, but you're acting even gayer

>> No.6916609

>>6916594
Would your clients ask for a refund if they knew you were using AI?

>> No.6916617 [DELETED] 

>>6916609
you're assuming i'd hide the usage of it at all. i wouldn't.

>> No.6916619

.

>> No.6916621

>>6916609
you're assuming i'd hide the usage of it at all. i wouldn't.
i mean it's part of why i'm so adamant about arguing in places like this. because i do want to just use it and not have to deal with insane shizos sperging out at me because they don't understand how the technology works.

>> No.6916630

nah mate you're just an insecure attention whore looking for validation

>> No.6916631

..

>> No.6916636
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>gets so mad he no replies

>> No.6916637

>:o

>> No.6916640

(.o.)

>> No.6916642

>>6916621
>have to deal with insane shizos sperging out at me
That's been a problem long before AI...

>> No.6916644

>>6916640
Get to the bunker!

>> No.6916646

>>6916621
But you have a place to use it and discuss it and that truly understand how the technology works. /g/. You just love arguing for the sake of arguing and attention

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>>6916644
>Tactical nuke incoming

>> No.6916650

>>6916648
oh shi

>> No.6916669

>>6916646
and what's the point in explaining to people who already understand? (not that they necessarily do)
it's more important that artists understand AI. because they are the most delusional and misinformed about all of this.
and it will affect us by far the most.

(also i really shouldn't reply to you because you're mentally ill as far as i'm concerned)

>> No.6916676

>>6916669
And what's the point explaining it to people that don't want to use it at all? Go make a fucking youtube and explain it there to future artists. You're the mentally ill one for keep trying to do it here

>> No.6916677

>>6916676
there's a difference between not wanting to use it and constantly saying wrong shit about it because you hate it due to various retarded reasons.

>> No.6916679

.

>> No.6916680

I got an offer from an AI comic company but not sure I should accept it. They want 40 panel episodes and I don't know how long that would take.

Also, does any one have any advice for what is hard for AI to do currently and what is easy? The editor wants me to pitch story ideas to them. I'm planning to set my comic in the rainforest so I can get lots of crazy detailed backgrounds

>> No.6916684

>>6916680
*job offer
I think AI is the inevitable future of art so have no problem doing this, but I have no experience using it. The company found me by reading my trad drawn comic on webtoon.

>> No.6916685

>>6916677
at what point are not just shilling if you just keep coming here trying to convince people c(YOU)mfag

>> No.6916689

>>6916677
If people wanted to use it here don't you think there'd be threads? Have you tried making such a thread instead of constantly joining in blatant argument AI threads? It might just be that /ic/ doesn't want to use it regardless of how it works or how people think it work.

>> No.6916690

>>6916680
That takes like 30 minutes. Give me that job.

>> No.6916693

>>6916680
name the AI company than fagget

>> No.6916694

>>6916680
>AI comic company
aka an AIfaggot in his moms basement with big dreams

>> No.6916695

>>6916690
Based. I'm signing the contract then. It's my job now! Make a webtoon and maybe sempai will notice you.

>> No.6916696

>>6916693
>>6916694
https://comicai.ai/

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>>6916696
...

>> No.6916700

>>6916689
why do you think i'm doing this here?
i tried that briefly and they got deleted (without bans tho).
that was a while ago though. and yes the point was indeed to have a proper thread here for people who are interested in AI-assisted stuff.
i might try again eventually.

>> No.6916701

>>6916696
>Looks to be just a fucking AIshill App
>Whomst even reading your shit

>> No.6916703

>>6916680
>Also, does any one have any advice for what is hard for AI to do currently and what is easy?
if you have to ask, then it's probably going to be difficult.

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>>6913982
Internet artist for 6+ years here. I've used Midjourney as a background, material, and texture generator and also for color picking an entire palette that I want to use. Sometimes I'll 'stitch' components from multiple generated work and refeed it to the AI to make it spit something more specific to an idea I have or whatever the fuck my clients want. 95% of the time they are satisfied with a loose drawing of a composition I copied straight from whatever I generated. Working with my most insufferably demanding repeat clients have become a fucking cake walk because drawing up a new composition for them takes at most 10 minutes to do and they're happy. I work on their shitty ideas faster, they shut the hell up faster, my slots fill up faster and I get paid faster. Not a single person has ever gotten suspicious and I sometimes delay for a few days because I can easily finish their order in half a day, tops. Whether you think I'm delusional or not, at the end of the day my artwork is authentic as I still work on them from scratch, in my distinct style, just with a massive clutch of a reference tool.

>> No.6916706

>>6916700
why don't you just go to /g/ or Twitter, or Tumblr, or any other place considering how many times you "think" it's welcome dumbass curry cigan.

>> No.6916707

>>6916701
I don't care if no one reads it, they're paying me upfront and I'm a poor fag
>>6916698
This looks easy af to make

>> No.6916709

>>6916704
PYW than nigga

>> No.6916711

>>6916703
That's why I'm looking for advice and tips here anon.

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>>6916707
>AIfag is an actual shill
Opinion discarded bye an ad you fagget

>> No.6916717

>>6916700
best way to get anons interested is to show a great use of it. unblurred. Like what shad tried to do but not end up with crappy results. You draw a lot better than shad(low bar but still...), so it shouldn't be hard to Draw+AI mog him. You want to avoid AI plastic sheen as much as possible too.
Try to make an image that would stand the test of time.

>> No.6916718

>>6916714
You asked me to post the site, now you're having a little tantrum about it. Why?

>> No.6916719

>>6916707
What amount Robuxs are you getting that you need to shill AIcomic apps on Mongolian basket weaving forums

>> No.6916720

>>6916700
You came in and immediately started shitposting in your same old ways. You clearly need to change your approach and learn to ignore certain posters that's your biggest problem

>> No.6916721

>>6916707
>This looks easy af to make
not just easy, it barely qualifies as a comic. so why would anyone use the platform?

>> No.6916723

>>6916719
None yet. I'm asking anons with experience in AI any advice they have for a job I'll probably accept. Why is that making you lash out at me? Crabs gonna crab

>> No.6916725

>>6916721
I have no idea. I don't care if no one uses the platform or reads it as long as I get paid as much as they're promising

>> No.6916726

>>6916725
They paying in crypto?

>> No.6916727

>>6916726
Cash via paypal

>> No.6916728

>>6916723
Ask /g/ than nigga or lurk more you fucking are a retard for coming to AI threads bitch threads for actual advice.
>Did you even look at most the thread before posting dumbass

>> No.6916729

>>6916725
ok, well to test your AI skill, generate a man punching an okapi in a rainforest, then that same man suplexing it. then have him wearing the okapi skin in the final panel. think you are up to it? should only take a few minutes.

>> No.6916730

>>6916728
The thread is about people integrating ai in to their workforce so I thought it a logical place to go for advice. Thanks, I'll check /g/

>> No.6916733

>>6916730
*workflow

>> No.6916742

>>6916730
what fiver bitches is that company hiring if their average employee needs to asks 4chan for help...than again is this >>6916698
the quality of "comic" they're looking for

>> No.6916748

>>6916742
I have no idea what they're looking for but I find it amusing how much it is causing you all to seethe so much.
>if their average employee needs to asks 4chan for help
I wouldn't be an employee, I'd be a contracted freelancer and they only want two episodes at first. If they like it they will give me more work. I guess they liked my comic. Maybe if you had a popular webtoon sempai would have noticed you too and you'd have an easy peasy AI comic job. Oh well.

>> No.6916753

>>6916748
well nigga you come here after tripfag saying you "got" hired for work and I don't see that nigga typing right now

>> No.6916759

>>6916753
If it helps you cope by pretending in your head that I'm tripfag, I won't stop you. Crabs gonna crab.

>> No.6916767

>>6916759
Well anon how long have you been on /ic/ or 4chan even or are you "new" here

>> No.6916769

>>6916767
>I have no idea what they're looking for but I find it amusing how much it is causing you all to seethe so much.
I'm not new. I've been here for 7 years. I'm a trad artist new to AI and know jackshit about it but it really doesn't seem hard to learn considering how many retarded anons I've seen on 4ch who are good at it. I came to this thread hoping for good advice but all I have met is seething crabs. I'll check out /g/, atleast I got one piece of good advice from here. Thanks anons, have a good night and good rest of your thread.

>> No.6916770

>>6916769
also im gay

>> No.6916778

>>6916769
neato (tripfag)
>been here for years they say
>can't be bothered to check how most the thread is
>is just discovering AI stuff is on /g/
how retarded are you to miss the constant AI spam or do all "been here for years" niggas don't at least lurk for a week

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>>6916770
>>6916778
Ok

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>>6916782
nigga are you telling it took you a year to check /g/ cause that how long AIfags been spamming this shit. Or I don't know fuck around with your phone filters with Le "AI" because sound like a retarded monkey needing to hand held for information that constantly gets shilled

>> No.6916802

>>6916797
I never had any interest in making AI art until I got offered money to do it. Why is that hard for you to understand? How autistic are you?

>> No.6916807

>>6916802
so anon many times have you seen go to /g/ for AI or are (YOU) that deaf, blind, and absolutely fucking born follow any fucking thing people tell you do since apparently going to /g/ is "new" info

>> No.6916820

>>6916807
Speak english you ESL moron. Try typing that again in words that make sense.

>> No.6916821

.

>> No.6916824

>>6916820
what country are from since you said you were a poor fag needing probly what amounts to Robuxs

>> No.6916827

>>6916769
>tradfag selling his soul to become an aijeet
sad

>> No.6916828

>>6916824
I don't even know what Robux is. I'm getting paid in $US. Cope and seethe.

>> No.6916831

>>6916827
I will still make trad art primarily, especially if it only takes 30 minutes to make an AI episode. It's called having your cake and eating it too.

>> No.6916837

>>6916831
well it seems like they don't want you for your art

>> No.6916839

>>6916828
I can get money back on commuter assist where I work and healthcare among other benefits, I don't care about what the average Fiverr does for their pocket change
why do you act like working for Gay crap apps like the ones you posted a huge achievement.
>Niggas are prob making more promoting Raid Shadow Legends YouTube

>> No.6916841

>>6916837
You're right. They want me for my writing and storytelling ability.

>> No.6916844

>>6916839
ESLretard I told you to speak English. Try again.
>ones you posted a huge achievement
I never said it was a huge achievement. That's your insecurity and jealousy talking.

>> No.6916851

>>6916844
I thought you were gonna go to /g/ curry cigan

>> No.6916857

\(°c')/

>> No.6916864

>>6916851
I'm there and here at the same time. Imagine that! Btfoing ESL retards in here is more fun than I thought.

>> No.6916877

>>6916864
So anon doing anything other than working
>also you forgot your trip nigga

>> No.6916881

>>6916877
>doing anything other than working
No that's you. I just finished generating the first 15 panels of the comic I'm going to submit to my editor. This AI is easier than you people said it was.

>> No.6916888

>>6916881
I compared it to monkey with typewriters but than again what retard believed AIniggas about it needing skill for proopting
>getting fucking interns to do it be better if AI companys were smart
>15 panels In barely an hour
One can only assuredly see quality writing and draftsman ship there

>> No.6916892

>>6916841
If you like writing much more than art then good for you

>> No.6916912

>>6916888
Silly ESL retard. We speak English on this board. Do your best and try again.
>>6916892
Thanks!

>> No.6916913

>>6916888
you will never be a woman puapka

>> No.6916968

>>6916913
Whomst nigga

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>>6916968
You will never be a woman

>> No.6916998

>6916669
throughout your myriad of threads you've flip-flopped, moved the goalpost, false-flagged, argued semantics, samefagged and showed some blatant gaps in your understanding on at the very least some aspects of art. stop trying to pretend you're in any way enlightened about it when you're just a sophist trying to drag down everyone else to your level of indolence. had you been in any way genuine you'd spent less time trying to debate the meaning of theft and more about avoiding the damage to the community the use of what you claim is merely a tool (term on which you flip-flopped) brings.
once again, you are not welcome and making thread after thread despite claiming you're not baiting just paints you as an autist who can't read the room

>> No.6917004

>>6916998
Cry harder bitch

>> No.6917012

>>6916998
honestly, i saw this on /wsg/ and thought instantly of tripfag
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1698366413097615.webm

Same fucking semantics holy shit

>> No.6917014

>>6916998
>avoiding the damage to the community
This is a pretty strong sentiment, imagine being a beginner artist and falling for all this AI shit, they're just going to end up becoming overly reliant on it and not build up genuine artistic skills. Basically encouraging skill drainage and further adding fuel to an existing competency

>> No.6917022

>>6917012
that's the voice I'll hear for tripfags post now. fits perfectly.

>> No.6917032

>>6914047
It's not copyrightable, therefore no matter how many times you think you "make" anything through AI, it's not really considered your creation.

>> No.6917034

>>6917014
Very valid point to bring up. What are beginners gonna do? everything is hard, and alluring crutches like 3d and tracing hold them back from ever developing solid drawing skills, AI is going to be even worse for them.

>> No.6917035

>>6917032
Well, tripfag would say in his high pitched nasal voice "I use it to render my line drawing, see my blurred example here, how is that not my creation?"

>> No.6917037

>gets told off
>answers with a troll reply
>further cementing himself as just a (You)whore

>> No.6917045

>>6917034
I just think it shouldn't be allowed in art communities that are meant for training and learning. It's like it's like trying to talk about digital art in an oil painting community, you're going to get shunned and told to leave. I don't remember /ic/'s response to photobashers but I assume it wasn't all that welcoming to the idea

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>>6913990
Why yes, I am including AI in workflow
glaze(dot)cs(dot)uchicago(dot)edu

>> No.6917146

>>6917045
>/ic/'s response to photobashers
Given we don't have a single one that I've seen, probably not welcomed.

>> No.6917148

>>6917062
Nightshade, I'm waiting. Though shame there is no way to protect pixel art.

>> No.6917180

>>6916704
I'm positive your work is shit. I don't know how else you could have this mentality unless you were dogshit and trying to compensate. Stop stealing from others. People like you are the death of art.

>> No.6917204

>>6916717
the goal is not to mog anyone. the goal is not to brag either. it's just to show the potential in it.
and i think you have to be intellectually dishonest to say that i need to unblur it in order to see what i mean with these examples.

>>6916720
and i am ignoring the mentally ill shizo for the most part already. i've gotten a lot better at it.

>> No.6917209

>>6916998
>throughout your myriad of threads you've flip-flopped, moved the goalpost, false-flagged, argued semantics, samefagged and showed some blatant gaps in your understanding on at the very least some aspects of art.
i'm sure i did. in your mind.
you're free to show me where i'm wrong anytime. the arguments i'm hearing usually just don't convine me at all.

also if you're not the mentally ill shizo, you'd do well to not assume i'm samefagging. you're only going to confuse yourself. and it's fucking annoying to me as well.

>> No.6917211

>>6917204
The potential in it is to invite a deluge of slop "artists" that drown out anyone legitimate. It's potential is to make every good artist throw their hands up and quit bothering with the internet art scene. You're incredibly deluded.

>> No.6917212

>proceeds to beg for attention
nope, get fucked

>> No.6917226

ah now we're being gaslit about a schizo boogeyman. anything to justify your savior complex I guess. keep trying to paint yourself as the poor victim whose enlightened threads got deleted. your patterns are getting obvious

>> No.6917231

>>6917211
and what are suggesting here? "and this is why AI needs to be stopped"?
do you not understand how self serving and deluded this argument is? because the reality is that it won't be stopped.

and there is no real justification for why it should be stopped.
the theft argument is just not based in reality at all. the only other angle is that it "harms" artists. but that is an entirely self centered and self serving argument. not to mention it is debatable in the first place.

>> No.6917238

>"if I ignore or dismiss justifications they don't exist!"
reminder that you only won any of the arguments in your head

>> No.6917246

>>6916115
>My using AI to generate references and concepts is
Going to destroy your brain's ability to do these things itself, the same way having every phone number on speed dial in a cell phone has destroyed everyone's ability to memorize phone numbers

But you do what you want, I will laugh as you sit drooling without a thought in your head unless AI gives it to you

>> No.6917249

>>6917231
>the theft argument is just not based in reality at all

Its plain as day that this is exactly what happened and you, being a shitty artist haunted by your insecurities, love the fact that you seemingly have this chance to get a leg up on the competition. It'll destroy art and you and the other slop goblins will be splashing about in your little creative mud puddles as a profane caricature of the real thing that used to exist but was killed because of your babydick egos needing attention.

>> No.6917252

>being this bent on arguing their narrative for months on end on a mongolian basket weaving forum
I didn't use to believe all these schizo stories, but I am starting to believe it now kek. After seeing the neverending /dtg/ shill bickering for literal years, the pixel art schizo, and now the AIfag with borderline npd, I am convinced they're real.

>> No.6917266

>>6913982
For references, Stablediffusion has replaced google images for me. If Google is gonna show me AI shit, might as well generate it myself and gain another skill.
Since I'm an actual artist, it doesn't have to be exactly what I want, I can generate a whole bunch, find 3-5 I like and meld them together myself in my own style.

Got me from 7k to 150k followers in about 4 months.

>> No.6917279

>>6917266
Not arguing your AI use case, but what does it have to do with followers?

>> No.6917280

>>6917266
Seriously, fuck you wholeheartedly. I wish nothing but bad things to happen to you for being a fucking lying cheat. I have been posting for years and can't even get 1k, I don't draw slop, I draw meaningful art.

>> No.6917285

A few months ago, I used the Meitu app's AI generation for things I still can't do well, like clothing folds and hair strands (I'm still a beg) and then I used the generated image as a reference. However, now it has become paid, so I'm looking for something similar that would help me

>> No.6917346

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>> No.6917380

>>6917012
Schizo

>> No.6917391

>>6917204
>intellectually dishonest
The person blurring it has something to hide. It details the conversation. If it was so good you couldn't ignore it, we might be having a different discussion.

>> No.6917394

>>6917391
*Derails

>> No.6917422
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I've mostly used AI stuff to serve as quick source of reference material for my own drawings. Shit like interesting silouettes, textures and other elements of the stuff the ai generates based on my promps, which I can incorporate into my own designs seems to me the only really useful way to use these tools. Picture related, the AI pictures helped me to figure out how to draw a sort of organic flowing looking armor aesthetic for this design.

The Ai art essentially served as inspiration / reference for the most part for me.

>> No.6917784

>>6917422
I see. Couldn't you just look at Warframe tho...

>> No.6917806

>>6917784
Guyver and Rengoku on the psp too. People are just too lazy these days

>> No.6917822

>>6917784
Probably, but warframes are so fucking overdesigned that narrowind down the look I want from searching trough the catalogue of those fucking things would have taken more time than just prompting "elegant elven knight wearing living, organic bio-armor" and getting rough pointers for how I wanted to get the texture of the design across.

>>6917806
Guiver does not have the look I am going for unfortunately. Too insectoid.

>> No.6917888

>>6917822
curious what your designs looked like before you used AI. it's your taste that makes you pick certain prompts and gens, was it similar?

>> No.6917918

>>6917822
>Too insectoid.
bio organic armors always are, even the ones you posted look insectoid even though they're overdesigned

>> No.6917945

>>6913982
It feels dirty to admit this but I have been using it for non professional stuff that i've been doing. but in a minimal way. what i do is feed it through stable diffusion img2img, describe it and list the artists i like, and set it to low denoise strength. then i look at the slight variations it makes as inspiration, like "oh thats a good idea" as if i had an artists friend making little edits and suggestions. then i implement the ideas i like into my own manually. I feel like this is the best way to use ai.

>> No.6917948
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>>6917888
The grey design was the old one, I was mostly unsatisfied with the look of some of the armor plating and various other details to a point where I didn't even bother coloring it. The overall design wasn't really changed that much, mostly just the way I decided to depict the armor plating and how it merges in with the rest of the tissues of the bio-armor.

>>6917918
Imo, it kinda depends on how heavy a bio-armor goes into the carapace plating. My goal with the design was to make it look more like a suit of musculature wrapped around the wearer, with the armor plating emerging from the muscles, rather than some exoskeleton.
The AI prompts mostly just helped me figure out how to make the armor flowing from the musculature idea work better. Essentially, I was unsatisfied with the old design, because it to me looked like the knight was just wearing armor plating, rather than the armor plating being part of the actual tissues of the thing itself.

>> No.6918052

>>6917948
https://discord.gg/lumaai..
you can make 3d refs with this. it's bad, but imagine a year from now. I wonder why I am learning 3d...

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>>6918052
https://lumalabs.ai/genie?one=7d0ccb34-c9e6-43df-9fe8-368af33e7566&view=one&metalness=0.89609&roughness=0.60261&color=255%2C255%2C255
just searched armor on the discord.

>> No.6918080

It's like the tracing 3d argument all over again but somehow worse. Which by the way still is and always will be shit and inferior to organic art.

3d stunted an entire generation of artists leaving far fewer skilled draftsmen than the one before it, this is only going to exacerbate the problem.

>> No.6918106

>>6918080
This is true, but if you have already developed your skill you can use it as an assist without being stunted. as ref, as long as you are still doing the draftsmanship/have vision for the designs etc, is anything lost here?

>> No.6918118

>>6918106
at what point are you just hoarding references again instead of actually drawing and working

>> No.6918121

>>6918118
The point is you won't need to hoard. you can generate it while you work.

>> No.6918134

>>6918121
So how long will you generating stuff for a reference nigga

>> No.6918141

>>6918134
>So how long will you generating stuff for a reference nigga
depends on the complexity of the image. How long are you gonna spend searching for a reference nigga?

>> No.6918162
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>b-but muh craft! m-muh jobs!
literally neck yourself

>> No.6918219

>>6918141
I generally don't need too. I hardly use references unless I'm recreating a character

>> No.6918258

>>6918219
You don't get job requests for certain eras? props, building etc? if you do, do you just wing it? the artist using ref will generally create the more compelling image. (I'm not saying merely copying the ref)

>> No.6918272

>>6918258
My nigga how much refs do you really need to get a feeling for design. If it's historical might as well look at actual real references.
Just simply shapes language is more than enough or working with silhouettes and certain places already have provide the refs or general idea.
>why are you obsessed with getting references, its something that should maybe spend at most 30min or an hour on

>> No.6918275

>>6918272
>its something that should maybe spend at most 30min or an hour on
The idea was you can spend 5 seconds on that with (good) AI. not talking about the current state of things necessarily.
Like when you can use AI to turn a photo into high fidelity 3d? that's gonna be quite useful.
>If it's historical might as well look at actual real references.
goes without saying, however if it's historical just for aesthetic?

>> No.6918277

>>6918275
*also I think you might be doing cartoons, so I get not wanting or needing much if any reference.

>> No.6918292

>>6918275
>5 secs for random image
Might as be googling shit or web searching cause the idea is to have multiple references to compare or use. You and don't every little thing be 3d at that point I could ask what sort thing your actually working on if it sounds like your going to be doing CGI stuff

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>>6918292
>if it sounds like your going to be doing CGI stuff
no, just stuff that might be time consuming to block out in 3d or make maquettes for.

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>>6918298
>I'm pretty sure photobashing was suppose to be the solution for this

>> No.6918306

>>6918303
No. I like maquettes. where you gonna get a photo of a dinosaur?

>> No.6918310

>>6918306
Your on the Internet my nigga. Phones and computers also have screenshots for videos or videogames. Else see free models online there already was multiple shit out there for this

>> No.6918326

>>6918310
You are right. sorry, I got caught up in the new hype and it made me lose sight of what we already had.

>> No.6918330

>>6918052
"Create a detailed and realistic 3D model of a vintage-style camera reminiscent of the early 20th century. The camera should have a textured, black leather-wrapped body with metallic silver accents that exhibit a gentle patina, suggesting age and use. The camera must feature a large, prominent shutter button located on the top right-hand side, which is made of polished chrome with a circular design and slight convexity for ergonomic pressing. The camera should be equipped with a bellows-style extending front, crafted from a durable, flexible black material with ribbed texture, that connects to a fixed lens board. The lens itself is to be an antique brass with clear glass elements, looking pristine, encased in a circular, manually rotatable bezel with engraved markings for focus adjustments. Please include a side-mounted, adjustable viewfinder with a flip-up metal cover and glass pane that artists of the past would peer through to compose their shots. The camera's rear panel should feature a hinged back cover with a textured opening lever, designed to load traditional film. The model should be rendered with a high level of detail, including screws, dials, and texturing that evokes an authentic vintage feel. Lighting and shadows should be crafted to enhance the realistic appearance, with a slight emphasis on specular highlights on the metallic parts to indicate wear and smoothness. This model is intended to be imported into a 3D environment, so please ensure that it is fully textured, UV-mapped, and includes all necessary maps for rendering such as diffuse, normal, displacement, and specular for maximum realism. The final model should be compatible with standard 3D software and ready for close-up renders, preserving the intricacies and craftsmanship of a classic, vintage camera."
just saw this prompt in there lmao.

>> No.6918335

>>6914107
Nice AI art, that's mine too by the way since you can't copyright that. It means you didn't create jack shit, you instructed an AI to create that for you.

>> No.6918386

>>6917266
Photobashing aislop doesnt make you an artist either. Ai for janitor job clean ups with their inpainting and other coping will never make them artists.

>> No.6918432

>>6918386
Who are you quoting?
Anon is not drawing on refs.

>> No.6918526

>>6918386
Fucking retard

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>>6913982

>> No.6920025

>>6914025
> i already
IT already.

>> No.6920095

>>6919595
>Sir, I charge by the hour. What you're doing steals money from my pocket and food from the mouths of my cats.

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>>6918052
>>6918061
I'm already using Zbrush to recreate that design in 3d.

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Why even bother doing art if you're gonna force AI crap into it? Your art is tainted forever, might as well go full-on, full-time proompter

>> No.6920172

>>6913982
Never give these dishonest attention craving vermin even a single inch, ridicule them at every opportunity, do NOT allow them to normalize flagrant theft and plagiarism

>> No.6920181

>>6914083
I use it for fap sessions and nothing else, didn't stop it from killing my joy in drawing though

>> No.6920215

>>6913982
>people in cryochambers
nah, them niggas dead af fr fr no cap

>> No.6920233

>>6913982
>see artificially created images
>see how it's just a bunch of assets plastered into canvas with no interaction with each other
>laugh my ass off
>practice drawing living scenes

>> No.6920719

>>6914209
Just jumping in to point out that AI fags will never have full agency over what they create, it's always the AI taking everything and loosely telling them what to do. Sucks not being creative I guess.

>> No.6920747

>>6920719
Creative need to be trained.
An artist need to do his/her own research on the subject they want to draw to nail the expression. Similar to a good writer will turn off his/her autocorrect and use a dictionary.

>> No.6921567

>>6913982
> bing wallpaper of the day on Halloween is AI generated jack o lanterns
> " The digital age has made things easier still, for those whose carving skills are not up to scratch. This image was created with Bing Image Creator (now even better with DALL·E 3)—create your own jack-o'-lantern with the power of AI."
How much skill do you need to stab some holes into a pumpkin?

>> No.6922310

>>6913982
i mean, in the 5mins it takes for you to get a face looking in the right way, I could make happen in like 10 seconds. everytime i use it all i can think of is how much faster it would be if i did it myself.

also it should be common sense that AI proompting is not real artistic talent. there will never be a discussion here

>> No.6925039

Niggers amirite fellas???

>> No.6925331

>>6914000
can someone explain how best to steal AI slop and resell it? like what platform to use? it is perfectly legal as AI slop does not have copyright. could be a good way to undermine these slop generators.

>> No.6925346

>>6925331
It's a completely valid side hustle. It's free money, it upsets the prompters, and it takes money from people willing to pay for AI.

>Deviantart is a good platform for this, but you should really run the game on all social media as normal.
>Make sure to airbrush out signatures. If the signatures are extra large or annoying to remove, make an account with a very similar name to the original uploader, just a number at the end or something.
-Download as much stuff as you can. Aim for some variation if you can since it makes your gallery look more interesting to potential subscribers. Definitely go for coom stuff, it sells the best (of course.) Upload regularly. Include patreon or subscribestar links, add text descriptions talking about your "thought process" while you prompted. A sentence or two is sufficient. If you get bored of writing about it, have chatgpt write up some short descriptions for you.
>This is super important, advertise INFINITE CHEAP FAST COMMISSIONS on your social media pages, but only for those who subscribe to one of the higher tiers on your patreon or deviantart page. You don't even need to deliver on them, so if using AI makes you feel gross, you don't have to do anything at all. Once you have the subscription fee, that's all that matters. If you get called out, turn off comments or block the users. If they kick up a fuss, just make a new account and start again.

Grifts within grifts within grifts. It also helps to poison public opinion about AI prompters in general.

>> No.6926698

>>6914145
damn, I'd buy this

>> No.6926789

>>6914145
I am better than you though, false flagging faggot.

>> No.6928001
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I'm a new Author and I've been using it visualize the locations of my story. So far they've come out better than I could've imagined. I plan on making short animations for chapter titles to eventually put on tiktok and hopefully bring in an audience.

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>>6928001

>> No.6928097

>>6928001
I'm going to use chat gpt to write stories and flood your market so you get ignored. Its only fair since you're fine robbing me and destroying my market :)

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>>6928097
I swear people are retarded. I've been writing a book for quite some time and only recently decided to enter the descriptions of my settings into Chatgpt to see what they may look like. Im not prompting first and I'm not using A.I. to write a story. You're a retard, do as you please.

>> No.6928109

>>6928001
>>6928100
No one will read it

>> No.6928110

>>6928100
Ah, you only RECENTLY decided to be a fucking thief and add to the internet's AI art slop pile we're drowning in. That makes it okay then I suppose.

>> No.6928113

>>6928100
If you use AI art with your book, readers will assume you used it for the text too. Why read or look at something you couldn't be bothered to write or draw?

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>>6928109
I'm writing it for myself, I've always wanted to release a book. It would be neat to have a small fanbase though.
>>6928110
I only post them in these A.I. related threads. Besides wasn't that the topic of this thread? Why are you even here, just to complain?
>>6928113
Its only to visualize story locations after they've been written. Once released nobody will no I visualized my story using A.I. because Its for me solely. Im making animations for the marketing.

>> No.6928140

>>6928123
This thread you regrettably bumped was made by a /g/ tourist. AI "art" isn't welcome here considering its literally the recombined vivisected parts of people's work in the art community. That's why the hostility. Also I'm repeatedly baffled any time somebody that claims to be a creative like you can't see the obvious writing on the wall regarding this tech and uses it anyway. The end goal for this stuff is to make it so nobody cares enough/is able to create things in the first place. Its vile and I wince every time I see a writer gushing over it.

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>>6928140
I know what the purpose is for. I dont like it either, but for storyboarding it is somewhat useful. But I certainly understand the contempt for it, especially since a majority of the people here don't actually have talent. I can understand the frustration.

I would happily pay someone to draw my ideas writings for me.

>> No.6928327

>>6928140
you're utterly retarded.

>> No.6928381

>>6928140
best post in thread
>>6928327
gooning ai tranny spotted

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>>6914025
now AI this guy while maintaining the artstyle and his accessories but in different, shooter style posters