/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma20-memorable-smile/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

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>>6908824
OG thread back up baby! let's get it! thanks to the anon who put it together.
also nice header pic, green blood rules

>>6908845
patrician anon

Now that we're back, here's some WIP, just layout not final pencils or anything.

>>6908856
Nice work anon, are you drawing with g pen?

>>6908865
modded real g-pen I picked up from somewhere (dunno where from tho, not assetplace). Liked it cuz it looks kinda pencil-ish on a gray layer and it's very fast even with stabilization.

>manga making general
I'm working on a comic about manga and mangakas , so it's highly relevant to manga making .

>>6908900
I won't post the whole thing here but I'm up to page 10

>>6908900
oh I remember you anon I did a fanart of your character in her astral form I guess

>>6908913
I remember that fanart. That's her. There is also a Geisha character among other things.

>>6908925
where can i read your comic btw? I forgot to save the site

>>6908927
<--- pic related. my social media links are also there

>>6908856
Guess I could post the top panels as well, just for a quick for pager I'm planning to have finished by next week

>>6908900
>>6908907
Looking really clean and consistent keep it up!

>>6908948
>Looking really clean and consistent keep it up!
thanks. nicely drawn page there btw.

>>6897281
Update:
I pitched 3 ideas. 2 of them would need further work or maybe just aren't great for a debut, but 1 of them was approved by his boss. Drawing the storyboards for it now.

>>6909162
Let's fucking gooooo!!!

>>6909162
That little crowd will be a pain to draw

And here is my AUTHENTIC MANGA. How are your feelings now, comicfaggots?
Kek, I should have been working in my comic and doing important stuff but I wasted my time with this

>>6909177
>That little crowd will be a pain to draw
Yeah. I'm planning on just making them silhouettes, but we'll see.

I lol'd btw.
>I should have been working in my comic and doing important stuff but I wasted my time with this
Sometimes ya gotta have a little fun.

>>6909162
do you communicate with your editor in Japanese, or do they have a translator on their end?

>>6909200
They type in japanese and I type in english, we translate on our own ends.

>>6909223
(but I write the material itself in japanese)

>>6909162
>>6909177
Real manga. Based.

>>6908948
>>6908856
Hey hey hey, what the FUCK is going on here? This plant went from having 20 leaves to 10 in a single panel! That's fucking outrageous! If I am paying for your shit then I want all 20 leaves in every goddamn frame! You think you can nickel-and-dime my eyes? What are you, a Jew? You trying to Jew me out of consistent aesthetics? The fuck!

I love dark skin. Is it a bad idea to have a majority dark skinned cast in a comic?

>>6909241
No, and I mean this unironically. Not everything should be white, not everything should be a forced mixture of "diversity", some things can just be black, or middle-eastern, or some other ethnicity. If such peoples want representation in media then they can start by writing some themselves, so by all means, do it.

>>6909246
Well it's mostly aliens, but when I grayscale every one just looks dark-skinned. I think it looks cool but I don't want to be accused of being woke.

>>6909249
You could do this then by having darker backgrounds too. Make the world itself seem dark via a dark atmosphere.

I don't know what you are wanting to write, or how serious it is, so establishing an overall tonality of your stuff is up to you.

>>6909241
just make sure to add some hot chicks like this brazilian comic I read

>>6909241
Tell the story you want to tell and don't change it for anyone. The only concern I would have if you do it in b&w but color will look really nice.

>>6909239
I did the page, just trying different plants to see how they fit in the panel I'll probably pay more attention to keep everything consistent in the final.

Also just for future comments, I know there's no way to enforce that and this is 4chan yada yada...but if you could keep the /pol lingo out of it, I'd really appreciate it bro, you know just to keep it professional, it'd encourage more ppl to post their work, I know it's cute to be edgy but let's be honest there are enough places in here for that. thanks bro hope to see work from you as well.

>>6909241
you might have to do a little extra work to make sure the contrasts are balanced properly so it doesn't turn everything into a grey blob (assuming you're not working in color)

Seeing the discussion about black tone, I realized I had never tried to draw black people in black and white, so I gave it a little try.

>>6910343
If you went to print with any of these, they'd probably look like a messy blob. You should probably use a lighter tone. I probably wouldn't use one with that much noise, either.

Finished some new Oi pages
>https://tapas.io/series/Oi
>https://medibang.com/mpc/titles/nv2306180607526800024117550/
>https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092

>>6910480

>>6910477
It depends on the quality of the printer and paper. If you want to make a physical comic then you have to go to a specialized print shop

>>6910481

>>6910597

>>6910598
Decided to change the artstyle?

>>6910626
I've been trying to improve my art overall in general. This episode is full color but I'll probably go back to black and white after.

>>6910598
forgot to post this page

>>6910638
Those are nice, anon. Always love a special full-color episode when a series is usually black and white

Ah here we go, the real thread.

>>6908856
Good work, I like the openness of the lines, gives it a dreamy look

>>6910638
>>6910598
This looks like a downgrade to me, it's a lot more generic looking than what you had going on before. Don't turn into the soul/soulless meme.

>>6910480
>>6910481
>>6910597
>>6910598
>>6910638
Not manga
Western webcomics belong in the appropriate comics threads
If the thread is titled manga general it is off-topic to post western webcomics

>>6911108
>Western webcomics belong in the appropriate comics threads
Yeah, this one. OP makes it quite clear.
>Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and RELATED COMIC work.
If you don't like it, you don't have to stay.

Ignore shitposters and continue talking about manga and related comic work

How do you guys handle backgrounds? Do you start from scratch, trace photos, use 3D, etc? Not all scenes call for a detailed background of course, but just curious of how others do it

>>6911131
In digital I trace only the basic shapes, the rest I try to draw by looking at it. Full trace never looked good when I tried.

>>6911131
>How do you guys handle backgrounds?
backgrounds are kind of a weakness of mine. So I try to make them simple and at least compositionally solid.
here's a Halloween page.

>How do you guys handle backgrounds?
backgrounds are kind of a weakness of mine. So I try to make them simple and at least compositionally solid.
here's a Halloween page.

How come there are 2 mmg threads?
>>6911108
That's too bad because I'm going to keep posting the comic here anyways.
>>6911086
Thanks for the feedback. The lineart is simpler because of color. I'm going to go back to black and white after the beach chapter.
>>6911059
Thanks, I'm trying to do something different from what I usually do and experiment with it. A fanservice slice of life beach episode is not rewriting the wheel, so I'm trying to focus on doing the basic things well.

>>6911217
some goofball decided he wanted his own mmg thread with only what he retains to be manga to be posted...weirdest shit ever he's the weirdo who comes in here just to spam "not manga".
This one is the classico and the original legacy general, and yeah you've been posting here long enough that everyone knows you, you have no reason to stop lul.

>>6911111
then why is it called /mmg/ instead of /cmg/ if western comics (which are not really "related comics", btw) are allowed?

>>6911179
>I don't understand perspective cope.

Didn't realize the other thread was made by a schizo so I'll ask again here. Does anybody here use Procreate to make comics? I know CSP is considered the gold standard but I'd rather not pay celsys' jewish subscription fee.

>>6911230
Do you want only Japanese people to be allowed to post in here? They post on Japanese forums in Japanese. Go post there if you want puro Nippon manga you little weeb.

>>6911233
bro, c'mon... grow up

>>6911232
Nah. Perspective is not rocket science .
A computer can do perspective perfectly so I prefer to mutate it with design elements .

Sketching something. I will try the next chapter in the trad way

>>6911233
huh? you can buy csp as a one time purchase.

We should make a comics making general, you can't pay me to get to /hyw/ that shit's cancer.

>>6911445
fuck off fred, you got banned there and you're gonna get banned here soon.

>>6911445
Stay in your shizo general, fred >>6908795

I wish I could draw GL manga all day long

I feel like such an idiot for not learning how to use clip studio's 3D assets before. Anon, if you have this program don't be like me and learn that ASAP, it’s a HUGE timesaver. I made this in less than five mins.

>>6911594
wow! how easy is to to get backgrounds and figures like this in CSP? I still use photoshop CS5.

>>6911629
CSP brings these mannequins out of the box and some other random 3D assets too. If you’re interested in non organic models (buildings, guns, etc) you can import anything on .obj file format.

>>6911664
where do you download the obj files from? Are there huge free databases out there?

messing with digital screentone filter

I can't rewrite for shit, i always get stuck for days while doing it

>>6911673
To be honest right now I just use it for the characters since that’s usually where I waste more time. I’ve imported a couple obj files I found on turbosquid.com (cars) and it’s kind of interesting but it really depends on how the model was made (if it has too many polygons clip starts chugging along). For that kind of stuff or backgrounds it might be easier to simply use external 3D software (like blender)

>>6910597
>>6910598
>>6910638
Looking nice but I think I agree with >>6911086, it's definitely heading toward a more generic look.

>>6911131
I sketch them same as I do characters, and I tend to ink them the same as I do my characters, freehand. Gives them more character at the expense of accuracy, which is a good trade IMO. Of course, achieving both would be ideal.
That said I'll likely be dialing back this approach for more sterile background linework, since my editor seems to feel that more sterile and inorganic feeling backgrounds serve to make the characters pop more by comparison, which is a pretty fair point IMO.

>>6911594
Lol every time I start a project I think to myself "this time I'll give posing 3d models a try, just see how I like it" but I can never find a smooth place to fit it into the workflow. Drawing the storyboard is too soon, because I don't want to care about accuracy there, but I sketch quickly when I have a good storyboard to work with, so I'd have to intentionally slow down my sketching phase to do the 3d posing. So as a result, maybe out of laziness, I never end up bothering to incorporate 3d into my workflow.

>>6911756
Quick question... the page that i need to rewrite is just a conection between the middle and the end of the story... everything since the next page is left unchanged except some few panels that i can rearrange...
Do i skip the page and start drawing the final stretch or do i focus on rewriting the page so the cohesion of the story doesn't suffer...

>>6911898
>since my editor seems to feel that more sterile and inorganic feeling backgrounds serve to make the characters pop more by comparison, which is a pretty fair point IMO.

If you're pornanon, I'm going to disagree with your editor on this. Maybe it's just the Japanese taste to have cold sterile sex anyway, judging by the rest of their porn, but a well thought out and drawn setting really enhances the atmosphere and mood of an erotic situation.

>>6912522
He's only talking about the line work itself. The setting can have plenty of character with "boring" lines. Look at Seto Yuuki's (older) works for example. That said I personally agree with you, I prefer to have fun with the line work in the backgrounds, but I also trust that he knows what he's talking about. Dude's been in the game longer than me, and he's seen far more artists succeed and fail than I ever will, so I'm inclined to take him on his word for such matters.

>>6912530
Actually on closer inspection maybe that's a bad example, the line work is almost more characterful in the background than in the actual character art there. This is a better example.

>>6912530
>>6912534
To me, you just proved my point. The first one looks much more immersive and intimate than the second.

>>6912522
>>6912561
go back to your containment thread fred...why are you doing this...

>>6912561
I dunno man, I don't think I've ever found porn more hot because of the style of line work in the backgrounds. It can make for cooler drawings, and it can breathe life into a setting, sure, but I can't say I've found a work more erotic as a result of the line work of the backgrounds. Plus I feel like it can be difficult to give a setting character without distracting from the actual porn. Even those Seto Yuuki works feel a little too "developed" as a setting to me, it's a little bit distracting. Outside of porn it would be great, but for comics where the goal is to be wanking material, you gotta stay focused on that goal.
Anyway, I think it may be better to keep the line work sterile for the environment, at least during sex scenes, so the character art can be more erotic by comparison. But again, I still personally prefer to draw the backgrounds with more character.

And man looking at these Seto Yuuki works makes me want to draw something along these lines.

>>6912569
Don't start accusing everyone with a critical comment of being our resident schizo. That's how you give him legitimacy.

>>6912578
he's just gonna end up as a meme like gabe, no chance he is "legitimized"

>>6912651
He doesn't need to be "legitimized" because he's right. Manga and comics are not the same.

>>6912569
>>6912662
Hi Fred

Has /mmg/ ever considered making an unified webzine?

I'm a recent lurker so I don't know much

>>6912769
no but we played with the idea

>>6912769
>>6912808
It would be cool but these things tend to fall apart midway through and there would be troll anons working to sabotage the project from both the outside and inside. it would require a few people doing all the editorial and website stuff for basically free.

>>6912769
we barely have enough posters for one very slow 4chan thread

>>6912880
Yeah I know, and honestly? am fine the way things are. /mmg/ is a confy general besides the troll posters but it's normal to have them. The anonymous open board is the charm of it and would not trade it for any discord group.

sup fellas, anyone know of any mangakas other than Asano that works exclusively on Photoshop?

>>6912808
>/ic/ Jump
kek, nice

>>6912880
Eh, I don't know, it doesn't sound like the type of project people would lose much time trying to sabotage, but yeah, it would need a few people moderating the content

>>6912908
Good point

I have no following or real online presence. I'm just going to stealth drop my comic into the local businesses and Amazon once I finish.

>>6912922
Discord groups is why hyw went to complete shit, I don't want that here.

>>6913075
>Eh, I don't know, it doesn't sound like the type of project people would lose much time trying to sabotage, but yeah, it would need a few people moderating the content
You don't know Fred and his ilk

>read 1 VN
>suddenly can understand most youtube videos
I feel like my Japanese manga dreams are coming true faster than I thought possible.

>>6911898
>Looking nice but I think I agree with >>6911086, it's definitely heading toward a more generic look.
>>6911086
Good to know this is happening. With the beach episode I'm trying to make it super clean in terms of art and storytelling. I can still draw and make art like I used to and I think the comic will still look similar to how it usually does when I go back to making black and white pages with more experimental paneling. I'm working on a Samhain special in black and white rn that's a different style from the beach episode.

Webtoon deleted my latest update for "nudity". I assume they mean this top panel where the girl has a swimsuit on but it's a little hard to tell.>>6910598
In any case, Webtoon originals have naked ass, girls in bikinis, topless girls and shirtless dudes all the time, so hopefully the appeal works.

>>6912769
>>6912808
>lets make a manga magazine that isn't manga!

Why do you do this? That's all webcomic stuff not manga.

>>6912769
People in /mmg/ don't even draw manga.
Most of these posters belong in /hyw/ or com/ic/ general anywhere else.

>>6913284
Who here makes manga and is allowed to post here? Do you have to be Japanese to make manga?

>>6913289
>Who here makes manga and is allowed to post here?
One anon works with a Japanese editor, but he's kind of an ass. Anyone can post here if it's manga, the problem is people posting non-manga like it's not off-topic.

>Do you have to be Japanese to make manga?
No, see the real manga making thread here >>6908795

>>6913298
Only the one anon with a Japanese editor is allowed to post here?

>>6913307
No, anyone is allowed to post here if it's about making manga.

"Related comic" is a term nodraws made up to justify posting western non-manga stuff in these threads instead of just calling it /cmg/ or something.

>>6913280
>>6913284
>>6913298
You have your own thread Fred, go be ignored there, fuck off.

>>6913280
>there isn't a single mention of manga in my post
>lets make a manga magazine
Kill yourself

>>6913314
Why do the semantics matter so much to you?

>>6913280
Fred go to your containment general before a jannie ban you

>>6913328
It's not semantics, manga and comics are their entire own things.
A coupe and a pickup are both vehicles but they aren't the same thing.
Lamborghinis and Nissans are cars but you aren't looking for Lamborghini advice on a Nissan forum and vice versa.
To call it /manga general/ when most of the posts aren't even manga is counterproductive to anyone looking for things related to making manga.

>>6913359
the works here looks much more manga-based than your work kek

>>6913361
Not the ones that aren't even formatted the right way.

>>6913359
Fred why do you care so much? Why do you feel the need to ruin so many art threads?

>>6913364
Yes, they do. No amount of Japanese onomatopoeia in your right to left comic will cover the screaming western of your work. It has neither originality nor authenticity. But if you want to continue with that, then please, you are free to work on your general with whatever work you claim to be manga. I won't bother you, and I suggest other people here stop going there to create unnecessary drama.

In this general every work in which the medium used to express ideas with images, often combined with text or other visual information in the for of sequence of panels of images is welcome. Even if the name change to /comic/ anyone who wanted to draw right to left and in japanese like the hentai anon would be welcome too, nothing would change.

This board is slow, and few people post here, so instead of posting your work and asking for advice and contributing to the enrichment of this thread, you resolved to do all this. This is the last time I will reply to you, so please, if you want to post your work here and ask for help as a civilized person, you still can do it; it's not too late.

Stop shitting up the thread by giving that guy your time. He has his own general, so let’s get back to talking about manga and related comic topics
Tell us about your works anon and your dream adaptation. Is it a live action? Anime? Movie?

>>6913396
>Tell us about your works anon and your dream adaptation. Is it a live action? Anime? Movie?
An anime series would be the dream but live action could work too, as long as they cast baddies for the female leads.

>>6913396
A series where people use the correct terms to describe their non-manga comics instead of trying to steal the name for attention and marketing.

>>6913389
Doesn't matter that you don't like the art style of a half-serious quick piece, it's manga because it follows all the conventions of manga. Even moreso than any non-manga work posted.

>>6913396
I always thought in a live action series adapation but focusing more on the slice of life side instead of the supernatural adventure

>>6913396
I thought of a live action adaptation but focused on the slice of life part rather than the supernatural adventure. It would be two separate stories, but still canon.

>>6913389
I came across this discussion while surfing the archive for other things. Just wanted to say, there are indeed fundamental differences in style, tone and structure between western comics vs manga. Sure, they both tell stories with illustrated panels + text, but they have little else in common.

>>6913412
Which baddies for your live action? No names or established actors? Something I really liked about the live action Netflix One Piece show was that Oda was very involved with the casting process. Hopefully you get that chance too

>>6913493
I dunno names of any current or new actors who would be the right age, so no names works for me. For Rhiannon I'd want Alexandra Daddario, but 10 years younger, so whoever gets cast has to be at least on that level. They can all be no name actors as long as they are fitties and good for the role. And Star Seal and Aideen have to be played by actual gingers.
>Hopefully you get that chance too
That's the dream!

>>6913072
sakamoto shinichi. He even does the tim buckley thing where he copy pastes in things like hair.

>>6913258
I don't recommend using webtoon at all. You won't get visibility, most people just click the subscribe button and don't read or comment, and they have unevenly enforced censorship rules to boot. Don't expect the appeal to work when they can't even code the option to change your email.

It's kind of sad that maybe I just arrived at a bad time and the threads had some positive discussion. Much as I hate to say, it's left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'd still like to talk here because I don't have anyone to discuss "comics" with. I've drawn over 450 pages of my """comic""" in the last two years and like to share a bit about it.
Like for example, here in an influence chart I made. I'm curious about anyone else's too if you want to make or share one.

>>6914461
Webtoon isn't awesome but I have the most subs there out of all the sites I mirror on, and have gotten some good customers from posting there. Making my own site would be best but I've been saying I'm going to do that for years and still haven't done it yet, I can never get the money together to buy one, and I spend all my freetime making new comic pages instead of learning how to code a basic wordpress site.

I contacted Webtoon support and they already got back to me and told me which panels to change. It wasn't the comic itself, it was the chapter cover and the "implied nudity" on it. I changed it to a different image so hopefully they put it back up after review.

>I've drawn over 450 pages of my """comic""" in the last two years and like to share a bit about it.

Where do you post it?

>>6914461
kek on Webtoon canvas, you can get a warning for showing male nipples if they catch you or someone reports you

>>6914461
>sakamoto shinichi
thank you that's exactly what I was looking for!
>Wanitokagegisu
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>>6914461
>sakamoto shinichi. He even does the tim buckley thing where he copy pastes in things like hair.
He doesn't draw the hair himself? How does he do it? Is there any video of what his process looks like?

where would you even post your m*nga?
it sounds like every platform is a lose-lose situation
what's the move if you only care about having people read and enjoy your comic? making your own site?

>>6914513
You can always post snippets on the big sites to bring them to your own website. Because you can have your own site but how you gonna get people there?
But there are people who have success on their own site, like Ava's Demon, Kill 6 Billion Demons, Nedroid, KC Comics, etc. Sarah's Scribbles posted on Tumblr and gained success, but she does gag-a-day type comics

>>6914500
You can see it here around the 10 min mark: https://youtu.be/TDpn9fdsRbY
He still draws the hair, but will draw pieces of it and then reuse it later.
His work is so detailed, I can't really blame him for it.

The 4 page Oi! Samhain special is live. Read it here:
>https://tapas.io/episode/2998373
>https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/samhain-song/viewer?title_no=303092&episode_no=122

>>6908824
Are there any comic websites with large audiences that aren't exclusively scrolling format? The only option seems to be to upload on manga aggregation sites under the english tag

>>6914827
Tapas and Medibang Manga Plus Creators

>>6914827
Globalcomix fits the bill. They’ve grown as a company these past few years and with them I’ve collectively got 15k views since the beginning. They’re not bigger than webtoons, but they’ve been good to the little guys and were nice to feature me a couple times.

>>6914855
I know so many people who get zero views there. If the site doesn't promote you you might as well not exist there, and the person in charge of social media and comic promotion there is a woke troon who only promotes lgbtq comics.

>>6914876
Well I was promoted and some of my mutuals were promoted. And my comic has nudity, blood, gore, prostitution, etc. Just put yourself out there

>>6914876
You have to join their Discord and regularly suck up to their mods and the site creator, Michael (I think). He also goes on social media and regularly searches for GlobalComix mentions so he can defend his company but he gets really defensive. This includes joining private comic groups on Facebook to see if people are talking about him. He had some controversy because he allowed an AI comic to stay on the front page for awhile (Webtoons and Tapas’ communities would riot if they ever saw such a thing) and also used AI to create his social media portraits. If you don’t give a shit about that then just cast a wide net and post everywhere.

>>6914461
>I've drawn over 450 pages of my """comic""" in the last two years and like to share a bit about it.
Oh hey, I've been there. Show us what you've made brother!

>>6915049
I'm in their discord, I've witnessed all of this, as well as all the people who kiss ArtCrumb's ass getting promoted while no one else does.

>>6915049
>He also goes on social media and regularly searches for GlobalComix mentions so he can defend his company but he gets really defensive
He also instructs his discord to go to twitter threads and "correct the record" if they are criticizing globalcomix. He's stopped doing this recently, hopefully someone near him told him how bad it looks.

>two manga threads
I am so confused at times. Makes me want to just lurk for now.

>>6908824
I cant really draw, do you this kind of cartoon style could still carry a story?

>>6908824
I can't really draw, do you think this kind of "artstyle" could work if the story is decent?

>>6915130
And people are really doing it all for free for him? Just to get a few hits on their comic? jesus

>>6915139
I don't see why not. Look up Order Of The Stick.

>>6915247
Yes, they all did it for free to get on his good graces. He has stopped doing it for a few months now. Artcrumbs his discord mod is his new commissar, they're the one who only promotes LGBT comics.

>>6914474
pretty much everywhere (I know what you mean i'm just funny about linking stuff right now, please pardon me for that) might have even seen me around before, I have seen your work too. It's a small world.

>>6914492
I really liked Himizu and Ciguatera too, i'm a sucker for drama. Also, Furuya throwing in random unrelated animals just for visual interest during conversations was my favorite gag.

Funny thing about manga plus. They are probably the strictest I have ever really encountered for any hosting site. My work was ripped down the day it went up for being too violent (it's really not THAT bad)
GC has promoted me a couple of times already though it could just be that I caught the right eye, I was never very present in their discord. Unfortunately I don't think anyone will have much success looking for readers on GC, they simply doesn't have enough readers or any current way of standing out above other sites right now, though I appreciate that they're not as censorious as other places can be.

>>6915065
can handle the goatpill?

>>6915424
>can handle the goatpill?
The what now? I like that line work. Goatpill me, I guess.

>>6914513
mangadex and webtoon have the bigger reach, but one is mainly a piracy site so you can't build a career off of that alone and webtoon has various problems like being optimized for its own format

Practicing what I think would be one of sample panels for that 'fujoshi who accidentally enrolled to a campus full of ugly student' story idea I had in the other thread.
I.... am just really winging it here. I am checking out many of the links in the provided OP as well as watching some vids too. Yeah, I plans to draw more and also write too while I am at it.

>>6915532
NamiComi (very small comic upload site still in beta) allows MangaDex to grab your content. It happens automatically unless you request NC to stop or maybe it's in a setting somewhere. MD users will downvote your shit so hard though because they only want scanslations or translated webtoon originals, not regular people's comics.

>>6915541
I really like this premise! Seems really funny. Are you planning on going the ecchi route with this? Or just leaving it as more of a comedy? I personally think either one would work.

>>6915545
I've been planning it to be both ecchi and comedy as a way for me to draw sexy as well as hone my comedic skill, which by this point might need sharpening or might be absent even.
My problem now is if I should just fully stick to the absurd comedy I have in mind or if adding some straight/serious scenarios would be nice, eventhough adding such things might spoil the over all feel I am going for.
Also, maybe its just me, but I think I might've made fujo MC a tad too sexy along with her older sis, although I do not know if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

>>6915542
Merry got pretty popular by crossposting on mdex, webtoon and twitter

Then again, his comics are optimized for that

It's better to post directly on mdex rather than through namicomi imo

>>6915424
Global comics has an app now but I don't know how many actually use it. It seems like the audience there is all creators, no readers.

>>6915049
>regularly searches for GlobalComix mentions so he can defend his company but he gets really defensive.
Quickest way to kill a company is to have your PR person wasting time arguing on social media. When will startups learn

>>6915577
GC has tried to argue they have more readers than creators. But they didn't mention if the readers are there checking out old Top Cow comics or reading stuff that small time creators are uploading. Some people have been fortunate like that one anon and his mutuals who got promoted, but there's way more who will never see more than 100 views on their comic.

What pencil did old comic artists use to paint traditionally? Is it worth the investment, or is it better digital?

>>6915627
they used dot coloring in the past with newsprint. all those numbers are the colors. they do basically how toner was cut out for manga, but instead its listing percentages for the printer. they did individual plates for every page with acetate. youd get 25/50/75/100% color layers to combine and get the various shades. they didnt paint them or use brush or marker. very limited pallet for cheap newsprint and mass printing, so you end up with the distinct coloring of them time and a lot better understanding of color theory from the colorists than the digital sludge today.

>>6915640
So they used a colored acetate sheet separately? Fucking insane! I stick to digital painting.
>a lot better understanding of color theory from the colorists than the digital sludge today.
that's for sure

>>6915627
Those are all Copic Marker reference numbers. I have Copics and they're great, more accessible now.
Also I loved Bubblegum Crisis. Such great designs.

>>6915663
Copics are amazing, but they can be quite expensive. If you look around, you can get some good deals and sales on them, though.

>>6915671
You're right, I got all mine on sale. I'm thinking of over time they're great because you can buy replacement nibs and ink instead of replacing the entire marker.

>check le archived.moe to see if people are talking about me
>some poor anon is being accused of being me

This is prime time entertainment.

I love the fact that i am a recongized board schizo. Everyone in every /ic/, /co/, and /i/ thread knows my name

>>6915694
Lul not only that guy stole the thread he also stole your schizo valor...

>>6915711
>my schizo valor

ITS OVER FRED BROS, I AM NO LONGER WORTHY TO BE KNOWN AS FRED. I GIVE MY TITLE TO NU FRED

>>6915627
Wish there was more stuff like this. Digitial coloring is usually so soulless.

>>6917295
I miss when more manga used traditional media, too. Pic related is the first "how to draw" book I ever bought when I was young because I wanted to replicate those techniques.
If you ever get the chance to go to an anime con and watch a manga creator do a live draw session, it's a nice experience

>>6917662
I still have a few of these books. Never had that one--didn't even know they made one for copic markers. That's pretty neat.

If it's obvious someone traced 3d models I can't read the comic, it's too distracting and all I see is the 3d. This goes for everything from manga to webtoons. I'd rather read some shit like mob psycho. Is anyone else like this? I feel bad about it because I know it's hard work especially if you have a deadline but if you can't put in the extra work to hide the assist like professional mangaka can I think it's better to go without.

>>6917662
you dredged up some missing memories with that image. I totally forgot airbrush pens existed for a second.
Goache and watercolor are also acceptable tools for coloring pages but you need Kent paper, or an equivelant sized bristol board since those are made to handle wet mediums better than ink, or alcohol markers.

I had one of those books when I was a teen, but i've also got a copy of "draw your own manga, all the basics" lying around which does have some valuable stuff in it about handling the medium itself, tools, techniques, etc. All of them are old and the art is horribly dated, but the info holds up just fine. I also had a copy of "how to draw manga" by Benn Dunn and that was uhh... something.

There's something that always bugged me about typical how to draw manga books and that was they were mostly about learning to draw (anything) that kind of felt like it should never be the point. Meanwhile there was little to no info around (until, maybe five or six years ago) about the technical side of it as an artform. You had to dig deep.

>>6917710
Inuyashiki was horrible because of this. Its not only incredibly ugly but a shameful piece of work WITH a mediocre story to boot.

>>6917714
>>6917710
why are you getting so tilted over work that isn't yours???
Just don't use 3d in your own art...
Also the sooner you lose these /a or reddit habits of shallow pov on the media you consume the better at your craft you'll become.
This is where you chose if you're gonna stay an edgelord crab or a craftsperson, don't be distracted by non-sense. Your esthetic opinions are just your own random preferences, the quicker you realize they're not a dogma or that you need somebody else to validate, them the quicker you'll gain focus on how to act on those artistic preferences and achieve them.
Good luck in everything, cheers

>>6917710
Probably because, while it ends up that the figures look technically and anatomically correct, the exaggeration and "animation" of the pose/gesture ends up kind of lost. Its kind of the same as if someone has extremely amazing technical skills, but almost no style or doesn't really push the poses/figures at all, it just becomes boring to look at.

Manga is really all about pushing the visuals to make things exciting and lively, and being able to draw things with mastery in anatomy and technical skill doesn't mean that your work won't also be kind of boring.

>>6917728
I'm not tilted though? I just won't read stuff like that and it makes me feel bad because it's distracting, probably a symptom of knowing the ins & outs of the software. Just because I make my own comic doesn't mean I don't also read a lot of comics too you know.

>>6917714
Oh yeah, those early 3d programs looked particularly wonky. I liked how Masamune Shirow played with them in a stylish way though.

>>6917730
Cartooning is one of the most valuable skills, I miss when it was really popularized in manga in the 80s & early 90s

I plan on making a colored comic, but I am still /beg/ about light and shadow and color theory. Here is a test I did on a black and white drawing I picked up on the internet. Is the angel okay? Should I stick with flat colors for now, or even if it's not good, keep doing it?

Here's my next batch of pages I'm working on

>>6917935
Looks fine to me.

>>6917728
I think it is sort of ironic that when I say "I think 3d looks bad" or "photocopied elements look bad" someone comes at my throat saying "this is your opinion". It is, that's very true. I already know people will always rabidly disagree with me, so I don't need validation. I use 3D to help me complete my work, so this isn't a condemnation of 3D or photobashing.

I didn't like the 3D and photocopied elements in Inuyashiki. It comes off as lazy and it clashes with the characters. Photobashing also has a habit of creating messy and unclear compositions if not handled carefully. There are plenty of artists who use these tactics to great effect- Takahashi Tsutomu for instance, doesn't even confine himself to a couple of tools. If this is what you want to do, then you should focus on how to integrate them in a tasteful way. Composition is a key element for sequential art and it shouldn't go so neglected if you want something that looks good.

>>6917980
That picture looks fine and consistent with the rest of the manga.

>>6917980
>>6917980
"like", "comes off as", "tasteful", "looks good" ...even your language is subjective, the problem isn't about your tastes, the problem is trying to pass your subjective suppositions as objective certainties. You ARE protecting your preferences and looking for validation.

The screen you posted looks reasonably decent, looked up the page and the panel does exactly what it's supposed to do. not even that big of an OKU fanboy but visually inuyashiki is really interesting and different, and overall a really competent manga, saying otherwise would be me stating that I can match or surpass a professional veteran's output, which I know I can't right now (obviously).

That's why being someone that's that opinionated when you can directly see and compare your own work to other pros always sounds very self-unaware and fanboy shittery, and it's something a lot of the people here do, thinking they're on /co or /a.

You're supposed to have the perspective of a craftsman not that of an edgy fanboy.

>>6917944
Holy fuck i can tell you're latinx from just the thumbnail

>>6917980
Akira Hiramoto works some magic to get his tracings look natural and realistic, but then again he's also a competent artist to begin with.

>>6918087
>latinx
M8 that's bait. My great grandpa is from Spain and great grandma is from Cuba, that's all the latino I have in me.

>>6918097
Are there any videos or tutorials on how to get this effect from photos?

Added some more characters in this list. I am already writing dialogues and have an idea how to lay out the panels(which I also should write down). I might go for six to seven pages for now I guess.

>>6918081
where did I say that? I just said why I don't like it. chill mang

>>6908824
Hey anons, I like Anime (particularly from the 90s and 00s) and I like American Comics, I just love the full color printing, the type of paper the Magazine like trim etc... I think I should make comics like Udon's Street Fighter and Darkstalkers comics where the interior art looks like the OVAs from the 90's. There are comic publishers like Antarctic Press and Oni that I think I could send samples too but one thing kind of worries me and it's gotta do with the characters ages. Not like I'm drawing porn or anything but you guys think American publishers would be okay with ecchi type stuff when the characters are barely teenagers? I mean, I think the average anime girl protag is between 14 and 16 year old, and you get those things translated to English and sold this side of the Pacific but I think there's this tolerance to that material because it comes from another country and that they'd probably have some issues if directly producing this type of material... Picrel is Etna from Disgaea, forgot the name of the artist but he's on Gelbooru.

>>6918372
In the west, I find it very difficult; you would have more success as an indie. But if your skills are really good, you could try Japan. There is an Anon here who is currently working on an official manga.
>>6918243
lmao the bastards are killing me off

>>6918389
What about Kickstarter? I saw that Tekuho made an art book and his actual pr0n

>>6918389
>>6918397
me again. I meant to say "He made a successful Kick Starter for an Art Book, and his stuff is actual pron"

sma open another contest "silent writing audition" where you could post the idea and try for scripwritting

>>6918372
Draw an anime girl, call it an adult.

>>6908907
You draw her expressions very well and it makes her cute. Can I read more?

>>6918569
>Draw an anime girl, call it an adult
>If anyone tells you to change the design, even the developer of the game, tell them to fuck off
>end up with one of the most popular characters in the show

>>6918372
You can probably get away with it as long as you can avoid mentioning the age. But with ecchi content, you probably may have to pass on AP. Oni Press doesn’t seem to be taking submissions atm. Dark Horse has experience publishing manga on top of graphic novels, you could try them. You could also try contacting smaller publishers who license manga for the West who also do indie comics.

>>6918809
>But with ecchi content, you probably may have to pass on AP.
AP has a ton of ecchi and adult content. Take a glance at their comic collections page and it's booba everywhere
They publish a lot of random shit. Anon should give it a go if he really believes in his series

>>6917935
I would change the angel’s ink and color to reflect that ethereal glow a higher being should be giving off. Keep working on your color work, anon. At the moment it looks a lot like a pulp comic, but if you want to aim higher, you’ll have to pump up those color muscles

>>6918809
>You could also try contacting smaller publishers who license manga for the West who also do indie comics.
What are the names of some of these publishers?
>>6918817
Does AP payout? Do they allow artists to keep the rights to their IPs?

>>6918869
https://onepeacebooks.com/
Twitter does have its use in finding some of these publishers, but here’s one that publishes “The Rising of the Shield Hero” for the West and some other manga, but they also do publish original graphic novels. AP as far as I know creators retain full rights to their IP. AP just publishes, advertises, and distributes them. It also appears non-exclusive since the creators of Kamen America can crowdfund and distribute independently on different platforms under their own brand

>>6918825
Thanks, I fine with pulp comic level for now, but I will try to improve. His original color is actually red since he is a demon( SMT Michel) I totally forgot kek

>>6918817
>>6918914
AP and Kamen America do gimme the impression that I can pull off these things this side of the Pacific. American Comics also get translated and sold in Asia don't they?

>>6918869
This is all the info I've found about that from AP:
>our best-selling books sell about 4000 copies and typically our new indy titles sell between 400 and 1200 copies.
>While we do pay based on royalties as you can see the royalties on most books is not great. The good news is if you can get traction on your book and market your book to your fans it may result in a decent payback. I just did not want to sugarcoat any expectations.
>There is no funny stuff in our contracts. You own the book and the property we are a creator owned company and we believe in creator rights. We will not interfere in any outside sources of revenue you generate on your book (if you offer Indiegogo or kickstarter on your book it may affect some Diamond sales but we look past that). We will not own any part of your creation.

>>6919177
>>There is no funny stuff in our contracts. You own the book and the property we are a creator owned company and we believe in creator rights. We will not interfere in any outside sources of revenue you generate on your book (if you offer Indiegogo or kickstarter on your book it may affect some Diamond sales but we look past that). We will not own any part of your creation.
This part is good.

>spent three hours thinking about what song would be used for the anime adaptations opening instead of even writing the first draft again.

alright
how does one go about publishing their 18+ doujinshi? dl version and possibly also print
is there a provider who will do all of the heavy work for you (printing and shipping), and is there one that is friendly to english speakers? whats the most popular one?
i know of dlsite and melonbooks but dont know the process

>>6919843
>i know of dlsite and melonbooks but dont know the process
DLsite explains exactly what to do on the site.

>>6915131
One is exclusively for manga
The other is made by western webcomic shills looking for attention
This one is the latter

Updated recently

wingsofdaera.cfw.me/
https://tapas.io/episode/3000970

>>6919843
You could do what pornanon did and get in touch with a Japanese publisher. Getting in contact is easier now than ever before. Alternatively, if you don’t care about publishing in Japan, try self publishing or submitting to Fakku

>>6920303
nobody likes you nu fred, u got ur thread fuck off back there retard.

>>6920366
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>6920351
Publishing a doujin is very different from going through a publisher though.

>>6921003
looks like I'm the dummy on this one... was meant for >>6920311

Is there a general expected size of how big should screentones be? Or is it just a stylistic choice that depends on the artist?

Does anyone have advice on getting over having a fear of creating a bad comic? Ive realized im stuck in this loop of practicing and creating illustrations but never making comics.

>>6921342
It's a "just pet the dog" situation I'm afraid. There's no real way to break it down any further than "just draw a comic already" when your issue is being unable to just draw a comic already.
That is, as far as I know. I never had this problem, so I never had to find a solution to it.

>>6921342
You just have to do it, if you are still fearful then do this:
Make a comic that you will never share with anyone.
Draw everything you want to, your ideal comic (in one chapter), but don't post it.

>>6920303
any chance you have a link?
I saw the page you're talking about, but when I tried to find it again recently I couldnt

>>6921342
Go make a page right now. That advice helped me when I was in a similar situation. Break out of the loop by just doing it.

>>6921352
>>6921369
>>6921503
Thank you guys for the advice.

>>6917935
Tested again but this time I drew a test page

>>6922212
look into ambient color and harmonization, might wanna start looking into hellboy comics as reference or anything colored by Dave Stewart really.

this guy has pretty decent videos on youtube to get you started, a lot of good basics https://www.youtube.com/@colorwithkurt

in short you need to make your colors closer as if they're part of the same color space , if you don't, it may end up looking a bit garrish and accented (maybe you want that who knows). then the shading/rendering style is up to you.

keep it up!

>>6922227
Thanks! This is exactly what I need

What would be the best way to create an "off-panel" effect of people arguing? For example: hearing fighting and screaming on the other side of the door...

>>6922895
You could have the speech bubbles and sound effects bleed through the door. You could even turn the door into a gutter border if you were are feeling brave.

>>6922212
Based Boogiepop poster

I'm posting this because I suppose it counts, since it is fanart of a character by Tezuka.

Fanart of his character, Shunsaku Ban. I don't think it came out that good, but, oh well, it's done.

>>6922212
>Boogiepop

Have my bump, you beautiful bastard. And keep going, it looks great.

>>6923001
>>6923019
BoogieCHADS on /ic/ ??? Christmas came early this year

https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1721191298106093872?s=20

>>6922999
Thanks! this helps a lot.

>>6912769
/ic/onography

Does this looks evil enough for you or do i have to make her expression more dearranged

>>6915424
>Ciguatera
took your suggestion and I'm reading it right now
it's bretty good

>>6924054
too sketchy to say, she looks like a frog with lipstick
make the iris smaller or lower the bottom eyelids so the iris is completely surrounded by the sclera

Whoever reported schizoanon's manga you're a bunch of nodraw crabfaggots and I hope you get cancer and die horribly

>>6925173
?????? What you on about? We just ignore the idiot here...what manga?

>>6925173
>schizoanon's manga
he posted his comic? where?

>>6925173
Also why are you referring yourself as schizo anon? Damn nu fred u gotta take your pills before you log on...

>>6925185
If he isnt fred...Then who is he?

>>6925173
what manga?

>>6925173
that one about crab??? but the schizoanon complained about it so it was him

>>6925173
It's jealousy. His comic was getting more views than most of the comics of /mmg/ "pros"

>>6925293
eyeroll.gif

>>6925173
>Whoever reported schizoanon's manga
I'm calling bullshit, the dude never posted anything that would lead back to his actual work. And reported for what? Nothing I saw him post broke any rules on any hosting platform I can think of. There's nothing to report it for. You're making shit up for dramafaggotry.

>>6907939
had to take a break to come up with a name for this character

I need a short 4-5 pages script, someone can drop one?

>>6927584
Just do a search for something. A lot of comic writers have sample short scripts available unless you're looking for something specific.

>>6927593
>making comics thread
>"need words for five comic pages? Sorry buddy go search on google"
As expected of /ic/

>>6927708
filtered by a google search...

>>6927584
https://www.bigredhair.com/about/teaching-comic-books/writing-guide/
I have this

>>6927708
I'd help, but I don't write scripts. Dunno why you expect /ic/ to just hand you their work anyway. Besides, I'm of the opinion that you should be writing the stuff you're doing for practice.

>working on comics is the only time I feel happy
>its the least liked content I draw
haha...ha.... time to draw anime girl pinups....

>>6928108
This plus it's way fucking easier to find comic scripts and writers begging artists draw their script for free.
I will spoonfeed for other anons who don't want to write: here's a huge database of scripts from published comics: comicsexperience.com/scripts/
Look up the issue and compare the art to the script

>>6927584
I'd write you one for fun, but it probably won't be very good
what do you want to draw, like action or romance or whatever?

>10 pages to go and i will finally finish sketching i tradicional to start working on digitais amazing that i had planed to be in this stage by the end of june... 4 months pass very fast

>>6928161
It's not so bad. I draw booba once in a while, i'm okay with it, and it gives me a little boost. I wish people would pay more attention to the things I cared about, but if I didn't love it more than the attention of strangers it would have destroyed me by now.


>>6928608
can I ask what you're working on?

I knew someone who started a short story, then every time it was brought up it was extended until the length was close to 100 pages. Hasn't been mentioned in a year, I think. If you nail down a workflow you can avoid this sort of pitfall

>>6909162
Storyboard is done (apart from some revisions here and there) and I've been given the go-ahead to start finishing pages, which I began on Tuesday. At this rate I might be done sooner than expected, possibly even before the end of the year, but we'll see.
For now I'm gonna take the rest of the day off, do the final revisions on the storyboard tomorrow and send those + what I've finished so far in on Monday for feedback.

>>6929066
>can I ask what you're working on?
A manga plus creators entry
Is not so much about workflow, is just that sometimes i get stuck in something and by pure stubbornness i keep smashing against it like if it was a drawer that doesn't close, this screenshot was october 18, and since then i got until page 43 right now

Recently updated
https://tapas.io/episode/3007117

>>6924054
Looks evil enough for me.
Kind of psychopathic.

Do somebody else get csp open doing a new illustration and not showing the recent archives, it just happened to me and almost shit myself, checking if there's any loses just in case

is watching a Udemy tutorial on anatomy enough to learn to draw?
can I learn to be a mangaka without drawing? my wrist is too fucked up from a bad sprain so the doc put it in a cast for three months but I wanna learn to draw so I don't have to go back to working shitty retail jobs

Anons would you proofread my sketchy storyboard if i color coded with the problems that i already caught on so you could skip those

>>6931140
wut
Manga requires ungodly amount of drawing, period. It's like asking "can I get fast at running without running? I have a condition and can't run" -- even if you get fast at running without actually running... you're gonna have to run to actually use that skill, so what's the point here?
In any case, no, you won't get any good at drawing or making manga without actually making anything.

>>6931199
No. Finish it already.

>>6931207
I will eventually but I want to learn the fundamentals by watching/reading tutorials
I need to know what to draw and how to draw it. I have a good memory so when it's finally time to practice I'll have an edge and wouldn't just be wasting time recovering

>>6931199
if you know there are problems you should fix them first instead of wasting time sharpie-ing up a storyboard

>>6931212
>In any case, no, you won't get any good at drawing or making manga without actually making anything.

>>6931199
Sure, post it but after you fix all the mistakes you caught yourself

>>6931217
I know but I just want to know how to make stuff, like paneling and whatnot
There has to be science behind it

The more I learn about Japan the less I care to appeal to them. I mean I love manga especially from previous decades but whatever japan has become today just doesn't groove with me anymore. I think I'll just focus on making a comic using all the compositional and pacing elements of manga besides the direction it's read in. Weebs won't read it because it's filthy baka gaijin left-to-right filth and comicfags wont read it because it's japanese anime filth. But I don't care anymore, I would rather avoid too much attention in the end anyway, it means fewer whiners and fewer people to disappoint. Someone has to catch failing American comics up to the leagues of manga/manwa/manhua somehow. So fuck it I'll give bridging that gap a few good ole college tries.

>>6931249
CRINGE holy fuck mate

>>6931258
Fine by me, don't care

>>6931261
Is that your style holy fucking king of the hill crap mate

>>6931207
>>6931215
>>6931229
C'mon after i said that i had 43 pages i realized that i was done with the hardest part and now all that i have left is the final fight and the conclusion, that doesn't really have any big change

>>6931268
Also i can't draw because i'm having a relapse with my arm, so i was editing and adding text to the storyboard so that could help me to kill time and change some things

>>6931266
Of course it is, what's wrong with it? is this one any better I worked really hard on it

>>6931276
It's not anime at all it's fucking horrific ugly westoid trash

>>6931277
Can you tell me what's wrong with it? I can do more anime style if you want it was just an example.

>>6931249
>Weebs won't read it because it's filthy baka gaijin left-to-right filth and comicfags wont read it because it's japanese anime filth.
If you create a genuinely appealing work, only a small minority will keep up that sort of elitism

>>6931302
Perhaps but everyone knows spergs like that are the loudest. Doesn't matter though I don't care what anyone wants.

>>6931268
brother you said you finished a "sketchy" storyboard... that should not be the hard part

>>6931345
Weebs only sperg if you say your work is manga, just avoid that debate and you're good: it's bad marketing anyway

>>6931537
What this guy said. The worst debuff is having "OEL Manga" label attached to your work, everyone associates it with pure AIDS:

>>6931537
>>6931768
Yeah that's why I said I'm making a comic. It's wrong anyway trying to call it a manga even if I intend it to look effectively like a backwards one. Even if by some miracle my product gets attention from japs I want them to understand it's western. Just not in the negative way.

for a /mmg/, you guys are strangely anti-manga

>>6931962
That's a weird conclusion to make out of this discussion.

>>6931962
My desire to do what I like and want just outweighs my desire to be accepted by a bunch of autistic island people as one of their own. Doesn't mean I don't love manga, it's the opposite, I'm just being realistic about what my choices will mean. American comics are utter dogshit in almost every way. I want to innovate them in ways the comic industry is unwilling to. Which first takes accepting the fact that manga is superior in just about every aspect. I will take the success of my opponent and use it for myself, just like japs did in the mid century. In my view, modern Japanese media is starting to deteriorate. I struggle to find anime to watch anymore and all the manga that look interesting are obscure works that don't even get popular in their home country. I have no choice but to make what I want to see, but what I want to see is outdated in japan, more like what japan offered 20 years ago. That alone could prevent my success if I tried to hack it in japan as a Real Mangaka. So instead of handicapping my visions with worrying about authenticity and success in a foreign market, I will commit fully to my visions. Calling my work a comic is the price I'm willing to pay for that.

>>6927171
the brush is not working out, I'm switching to pens next chapter

>>6931962
I love manga!

>>6932037
cool story bro, do you have pages to show?

What are some well known non-japanese B&W comics from the last 20 years? The most recent ones I can think of are Scott Pilgrim and I Kill Giants but even then, both of those are 15+ years old.
I don't really like the way american comics (both indies and capeshit) are colored, and I'm more into lineart and ink heavy art styles.

>>6932135
i really like Dora by Ignacio Minaverry, it's only in french spanish and portugese sadly

>>6932129
Yeah bro two whole volumes since deciding what I was going to do a day ago. You'll never make it if you can't keep up that pace

I can't draw for shit but I'd like to draw manga (webtoons? comics? can anything drawn by a filthy gaijin be named manga?) so I figured might as well get started with storytelling with pictures instead of waiting till I get decent at art. Say something nice and something mean about this attempt.
PS: no, I do not look like this

>>6932240
I like the hand lettering. But, I don't understand why he pulled out his phone to look at the time instead of looking down at his computer taskbar.

>>6932240
>Say something nice and something mean
it's not terrible, but you got lazy at the end
>obligatory why are you drawing a manga about me

>>6908824
Is there anywhere I can download the nhkworld manben episodes? I like that we're finally getting official dubs/subs of the show.

>>6932345
oh wait nvm found em

>>6932240
>nice
Dedicating ample space to your speech bubbles is a good habit imo. Same with separating different kinds of dialogue into different formats like his thoughts being floating overlayed text, narration being in a box.
>mean
That tiny corner panel of what I assume is a social media timeline is contributing basically nothing to your page.

Scandalous question, but has anyone thought of transitioning from manga to visual novels, or even straight novels?

Sometimes, I feel like my drawing ability gets in the way of the story I want to tell. Has anyone else thought about giving up art for story?

>>6931285
it looks like king of the hill
where is the detail on his forehead?
all of his facial features are small
The finger is incorrectly proportioned

>>6932120
had some catching up to do, I like it so far bear

No idea what I'm doing lmao

>>6933073
Good stuff, I'll get right on that

>>6932240
Too many panels, you could condense the yawn and the “what time is it” panels into one, same with the “yet another day…” “and oh well…” ones.

I’m guessing this came to happen because you read a lot of webtoons? For webtoons that would be fine, but on a traditional manga page it’s too cluttered.

But you seem to have put thought in the flow of the story and the placement of the text. That’s a classical beginners trap and you managed it very well.

Keep trying, you’re already better than early ONE. Good luck anon

>>6921003
Pornanon do you have a blog or a name for your works? I’m new here and love what I’ve seen from your artsyle

>>6933408
https://twitter.com/dinglewizard
It'll be dead until I can post teaser images, which I'll likely end up posting here too.

>>6931268
>hardest part
>storyboard
lmao
you're in for a surprise
next time maybe make a 1 page comic and finish it first

>>6933468
he right tho
story board is like 80% of the job

can some one tell me when i can do some progress ? i feel like there something core lacking but I don't know what

>>6933501

>>6933501
>>6933502

>>6933498
Not him, but that's not even close to the truth. I could see an argument for storyboards contributing 80% of the "quality" of a comic, but that doesn't mean it's the majority of the work. The majority of the work is pretty much always finishing the pages. Storyboards are often completed in days, while it can take weeks or months to draw the finished artwork for said storyboards.

>>6933501
>>6933502
>>6933503
What artists are you aiming to reach or surpass? Look at what they do and compare it to your own work. If you can't see the difference, then you just need to keep making stuff and trying to improve upon your previous work as best you can and your eye should eventually develop to the point where you can spot said differences between your own work and the work of your idols.

>>6933506
oh it if you talk about the amount of work
I agree with you but like you said i was talking about quality

and the proof is i barely finished(not even posting ) some comics on my 10 years journey because I'm always unsatisfied about how the page look

currently just try to make a "good enough" one IMO

https://exhentai.org/?f_search=ichi-gsm
my work
>What artists are you aiming to reach or surpass?
hmm in the nsfw sphere i don't have much stuff
i grew up with rosario vampire and imizu works but I'm pretty if i trace those pages and do the same thing i would still have this felling

probably because i read kaoru mori works + berserk
at least people seem to like what i do

but I'll try to follow your advice

>>6933514
>I agree with you but like you said i was talking about quality
Oh, actually, my mistake. I reread the reply chain and nobody said anything about the time, only how "hard" it is.
To that point, I still don't think I agree that storyboards are the "hardest part", but they're definitely not easy. Still, I think that anon is in trouble if he thinks he's out of the woods once the storyboards are done. He's been working on them for, what, a year now? More? Maybe my perception of time is messed up but it feels like it's been a very long time to me. And yet the storyboards are supposed to be the quick part. Frankly, I don't know what he's expecting out of this. The storyboards will suck and be full of issues. They always are -- that's why they're done as fast as possible, so you can get editorial feedback and redo them (often multuiple times) very quickly before you do the bit that's actually time consuming.

>i grew up with rosario vampire and imizu
Well, use them as examples. That said, there's lots of little effects and details that go into a sex scene that you probably won't find outside of H artists. I won't tell you to find other inspiration, but try to make your inspiration work for you.
>I'm pretty if i trace those pages and do the same thing i would still have this felling
It's not about tracing it, it's about looking closely at the image and trying to spy what they did that you didn't. Things like, "oh, they added a screentone to the breasts just so they could have a highlight on it", or "oh, they flicked some eraser fluid on the page and that gave it more impact". Little effects you might not notice without taking care to look closely at each drawing.
But, it's also entirely possible their style is heavily carried purely by their drawing skill, in which case there really isn't anything you can do but practice practice practice (translation: make a lot of stuff).

>>6933514
Actually, looking at your work a little closer myself, I do see an issue I can point out: when it comes to the sex scenes, you have a bad habit of neglecting backgrounds. You don't need to draw the environment (although you could), but you do need to do something other than leave it blank white (unless it's a very deliberate choice). You seem to have realized this with this demon girl/succubus thing you've posted here, but it does still need work as what you've got is pretty simple/barebones.
Compare >>6933502 to pic related. He's not drawing detailed backgrounds, but he is shading a "surface" underneath the character to imply a sense of space. Even in the panels where he's not trying to do any such thing, he's making sure that the background has a value (in this case a mid-tone, because he doesn't want the tone of the work to be dark) so the character's bodies can stand out, and he's using speed lines to convey a sense of movement.
Then you look at the actual technical execution of the effects -- the skill with which the lines are drawn, the composition of the page as a whole, the skill with which he erases the screentones to convey the shininess of skin, the drippy wetness of the saliva, and so on. It's difficult to reproduce this level of skill without also possessing a similar skill level, but it's important to recognize exactly what elements the artist is using to achieve the effect.

>>6933501
There's nothing particularly wrong just somewhat flat anatomy, maybe some stiffness in the poses too

I suggest looking at an anatomy textbooks to learn the placement of major bones/muscles and observing photos of people to get a better feel of the various shapes and curves of the body

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdJICluC7Pc
>"Doing Manga isn't like the easiest thing. It was put up there with like heart surgeon in terms of like most stressful jobs in Japan."
Japanese manga industry being hardcore is pretty old news, but it's still pretty wild listening to this stuff.

>>6933530
>>6933555
Thank you very much for the feed back I' gonna work on it and do my best for my comicket book

>>6933024
There are platforms for that. I was scouted by some company that wanted me to write a mobile visual novel story for their app. Turned it down because no upfront pay, a ton of work, and company took 50% of any profit (like readers unlocking chapters).
I don't think there's anything wrong with focusing on your writing for a bit. Sometimes you just want to get the words out there. I mean, there are plenty of light novels adapted into manga.

>>6933119
thanks
I think it kinda blows right now, gonna try harder on the last few pages

>>6933209
The difference between where you obviously referenced and where you didn't is way too big, you need to work on the fundamentals more

>>6933976
where do you think reference was used?

>>6933498
did you look at the storyboard he posted?
it doesnt look like he has a modicum of artistic ability yet. he's basically wasting hours of work in something destined for failure

>>6934000
oh cant find it
but if it bad yeh he wasting hours if the story board is bad from the start

>>6934092
I assume it's this dude
>>6931212
>>6929892
very bad sign
little niggas reaching for the stars before he can even walk

>>6934096
43 pages for beginner is too big

Just start doing 8 16 pages /month one shot start to finish it gonna be years before you making something decent specially if you are self-taught

>>6934103
forgot to write that i agree with you >>6934096

>>6934103
My first was about that long, it was easier than I expected once I got started

>>6934107
43 pages is a MASSIVE time sink
if you get out of it creating subpar, you just wasted months of effort
and the guy is still below /beg/-tier so he's skipping all the important practice to focus on trying to make this

>>6934096
Well... it just look like that because last time that i started doing it in digital it was worst, so my plan was drawing in trad, and then taking photos (since i don't have a scanner) and do the line work on digital since it would be more easy for me

>>6934173
whats the story even about?

I'm trying to get myself to draw anything and this is the first thing that came to mind... If I shouldn't post my shitty (pun intended) comics let me know.
I was going for western left to right order but before I knew it I made it right to left so I decided to leave it as is, hence the numbers. Probably shouldn't have.
>>6932269
H-he turned off his laptop between the panels! That's what I had in mind, I swear!
>>6932271
The whole thing is lazy so it feels like you're trying to be nice or something. Thanks.
>>6932795
It was supposed to be indicating that he's wasting time and sleep on youtube cat videos but it's my bad if it doesn't show through.
>>6933401
I don't read webtoons but isn't the paneling completely fucked when it comes to them? Like a 20 : 1 ratio page where you can only see one panel on your screen at any time?
I think I get your point but I don't see how to merge the "Yet another..." and "Oh well..." panels. The forehead-palm is pretty important and it would feel weird skipping straight to him in bed afterwards.

I guess so long as I keep drawing that's good enough for now.

>>6934198
It started as a 22 pages oneshot challenge on /a/ and develop to become something close to camus's absurb man

>>6934275
>The whole thing is lazy so it feels like you're trying to be nice or something. Thanks.
I wasn't, the last two panels are so lazy you didn't erase overlapping lines from the bed on his face, arms, and hands
>copy-pasting panels
now this is proper mangaka laziness, good work, you're improving already

How do I stop myself being an "idea's guy" and just jump to fucking making manga for fucks sake? I keep having great ideas and imagine the panelling and jotting down my stuff, but I always end up stopping once I am already on the panelling and drawing, like I have a mental block preventing me from just doing it.

>>6934784
No offense, but it sounds like you don't actually like the act of making comics, just the idea of it. That's fine, I don't either, despite drawing thousands of pages at this point. You gotta come to terms with the fact that the actual making of the comic will always be work. Work can be done by knuckling down and powering through it, if you have the desire to. Actually finishing things is absolutely the hardest part, and it takes a lot of effort to take ideas through to complete works, even small ideas.

Before the threads ends, why don't anons say a number between 1 and 45 (except 38,31,29, 22 and 11 since those are mostly backgrounds that i will drawn in digital) and i post the number of that page so anons can judge if i can post it to proofread it or i just keep going until i finish it...

>>6934800
I guess I have to prove you wrong then. Fuck, I will stop being "lazy" and make my first chapter.

>>6934829
if you really want to post a page just do it
instead of making this post asking for permission to post, you could have just posted
so just fucking post

>>6934198
>>6934296
Read: he doesn't know,

new bread when?

>>6921178
In case you're still wondering, IC screen (the big screentone brand alongside Deleter) has been slowly uploading their screentones to Clip Studio and they're 600dpi. Both digital and print publications ask for either 1200dpi or 600dpi for completed manuscripts.

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