/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6905897
Bro looks like he works at Autozone or some shit.

We've found the biggest crab

>CB Cebulski
That fat fuck shouldve left marvel ages ago

pic related is all you need. Marvel had it figured out decades ago.

None of his points have anything to do with the quality of the art. Half of them are about panelling in the his preferred format.

>Boring outtdated men and "women" are the current gatekeepers of comics
>Comics are dying
I bet if a fresh crop of young dudes managed to wrangle to reigns from the likes of these fat diabetic fucks, the comic business would see a resurgence of interest

>>6905921
all of his points make comics much more rigid, less dynamic and generic as a consequence


>literal random page from hxh
Imagine this guy looking at this

>NO NO NO YOU CAN'T BREAK THE BORDERS

>first point is his "pet peeve" about breaking panel borders and leading le eye
It's not even just shitty cape comics, though, dumb crap like this reminds me how opaque and arbitrary "the industry" really is. You can get rejected before you ever had a chance and never know why. You can get thrown out because this greaseball is just having a bad day.

>>6905921
>>6905924
>>6905931
>>6905923
>t. rejected by a Marvel recruiter
git gud.

>>6905915
>>6905897
blackpill me on this nigga

Reminder that Marvel is a money pit for Disney and is only there to basically write scripts for their movies.
And all the numbers of sales are inflated with shenanigans where they over stock orders, bundle them and give them away so they can claim higher numbers.
So whenever you get any advice from anyone at Marvel understand that they are basically a charity/welfare division of Disney and would not survive on their own without gutting the company.

>>6905934
there was some bullshit about how he needs to die because he's white and drew under a japanese penname once.

>>6905897
He's telling you how to get hired at marvel, whether you think its advice on good comics or not is irrelevant, because this is how marvel does things.

>>6905941
pretty based if he made weebs mad because of that

>>6905933
>Thinking anyone under the age of 30 with talent would submit to current day marvel

>>6905934
A hyper weeb whose stifled any inovation in current day marvel comics via endless comic reboots and pushing talentless writers while retaining none of their talented artists.

>>6905958
haha yeah post your work.

>>6905964
shut the fuck up fatty

>>6907005
By decree, post your work plebeian.

>>6907021
Here it is /beg/gar

>>6905897
Holy shit it's so funny
The autoplay video up next is todd macfarlane answering questions from twitter and he immediately contradicts this fat fuck
>art > storytelling
>hide feet
Lmaooo

>>6905897
he's actually weeding off the competition, retard. if you're really a genuine working artist with a decade's exp, you can see through him.

fr? phw no cap

>>6905897
Should I listen to this literal 'who?', or the famous Todd McFarlane who broke all the paneling rules as soon as he started, and told others to do the same?
Also, when was the last time Marvel Comics wasn't shit? Why should anyone listen to 'current' marvel?

>>6905924
His point is probably about having received gazillions applications trying to play it cool by breaking borders and whatnot, and lacking more fundamental stuff.

If your stuff doesn't work without breaking border, your stuff doesn't work.

> this thread
You guys are so salty and arrogant, always ready to jump at someone's throat, but only on the Internet, assisted by a digital crowd.

t. not even a comic enjoyer.

>>6905905
Lol, I thought the same thing.

>>6907146
He's a lame fat faggot with shit taste and power disproportionate with his actual merit. Dudes like him are the reason American comics are a total joke. Yeah I'm salty. But it's not out of envy, I'm also not a cape comic enjoyer, but now why is that?

>>6905897
I can smell that fat bastard from here, Americans are nasty and untalented.

>>6905897
He's teaching artists how to fail and not make it

>>6907214
>He's a lame fat faggot with shit taste and power disproportionate with his actual merit
Again, I'm quite unfamiliar with the details, but the guy definitely has a track record, and has been working in the industry for two decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._B._Cebulski

Of course, we can (and I do) have negative opinions on the state of the comic industry. But that doesn't prevent the guy from being skilled at spotting good/bad artists, and having, from experience, developed good heuristic to spot them. He may also have an okay sense of which trends to follow to get money from people.

See, Stalin thought that Le Good Way To Rule was to starve to death literally millions of people. It's obviously an ultimate dick move. But being an asshole didn't prevented him from preserving traditional Western art education, and Russia is the only place in Europe where the lineage hasn't been broken, thanks to him. Ofc, he did this to help with propaganda and shit, but still.

Balance dude, not blind rage.

Besides, if you're truly right, then work your ass of to stomp Marvel & cie to dust with better comics.

>>6907320
>Besides, if you're truly right, then work your ass of to stomp Marvel & cie to dust with better comics.
the japanese is already doing this

>I'm gonna create thousands of competitors F O R F R E E!
>I'm gonna milk nobodies who fell for the meritocracy.

>>6907385
As far as I'm concerned, I don't particularly enjoy manga either. There are ten of thousands titles, they are pressured into making endless series and churn volume after volume.

I have no idea where to start, and the mangas I hear people talk about leave me indifferent. I've enjoyed a few animes thought (sometimes tied to mangas). Some of them have some sweetness/light touch to them, pleasant colors, etc.

But the mangas themselves too often feel like rushed work to me. Anywaaay.

>>6907401
Cope: the post

>>6905897
listening to editors in western comic is idiotic. They have never been in a truly competitive marketplace. selling to a small number of fanboys and idiots thinking they're getting the next action comics #1 has been their MO for the last 30 years.
With such little pressure to keep good storytelling and entertainment the main focus, it means they've had little reason to actually understand why people enjoy storytelling

>>6907320
>But that doesn't prevent the guy from being skilled at spotting good/bad artists,

They are proven to be terrible at spotting talent because modern/current cape comics are not renowned for their sequencing, composition, or action the same way manga is. People waited YEARS to see saitama fight garou or luffy fight kaidou but nobody gives a single shit who the 30th spider-person is fighting with the same stock generic poses for 2 pages.

DC and Marvel refuse to let new blood be new blood. Frank Zappa explains it well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

>>6907030
Not him but this made me laugh. Well played.

>>6907530
>DC and Marvel refuse to let new blood be new blood.
It's more subtle/nuanced than that.

A structural problem for any Big Business is that too much innovation threaten the current cash flow. But not innovating is also problematic, and finding a balance is difficult:it requires ingenuity and bravery, both of which are scare human qualities.

That's why Big Businesses often play it safe: they keep the current inertia going as much as possible, i.e. minimize innovation. Look at Amazon UI: it's not like they don't have pockets big enough to improve on that 2001-style, but it's simply not worth doing.

The point is, you can't really understand and appreciate the situation purely from an art-enjoyer point of view, because things simply don't move following that point of view.

I'm not saying that you're wrong in the context where you're evaluating things, but the context in which you're evaluating things is too narrow to fully appreciate the situation, and you're bound to stay angry if you don't update your point of view.

I also think that people can't really play the victims today: if you have the skills, have a good story, good graphics, you just need a little bit of marketing to find buyers/backers online. Internet really is a blessing in this regard, because you can bypass Ye Old Behemoths much more easily.

>>6907637
Honestly man, why go to bat this hard for suits and hacks? I think we all basically get that there are two sides to every story and that "the issue is complex," but this is basically a bitch-off thread where anons can rage about the unending incompetence of the comics industry. Comics have sucked shit and been culturally irrelevant at least since I was born (early 90s) and it's because of retarded, greedy, short-sighted executives fucking everything up for a quick buck.
I refuse to "look at it from their POV", because they see me and you as an ant.
I relate to Goku and Naruto more than Superman and Batman (the comic book versions at least) as a direct consequence of their fuckups going all the way back to the Comics Code. They deserve the hard fucking the japs are and have been giving them for decades now.

>>6907320
>Stalin thought
>Balance

>>6907466
Main difference between the JP and western comics scenes is the well developed doujinshi community. Doujin creators have just as much clout as the corporate publishers when it comes to setting trends.

>>6907637
>A structural problem for any Big Business is that too much innovation threaten the current cash flow
In a traditional business, sure. In a creative business like comics/manga no. Manga has kicked comics ass BECAUSE it has kept up innovations. It has never stiflied itself too long, it always captured and reflected the zeitgeist

70s/80s - Action and Kung Fu Movies - Fist of the North Star, Dragon Ball
90s/00s - The rise of trilogies/big adventure movies - One Piece, Naruto
10s- Capeshit - My hero, One Punch man

The times are currently headed that most people are going to have financial hardship, has Marvel or DC tried to capitalize on this by making a new fresh batch of "heroes" who are thieves? Japan had the foresight to drop a Lupin the third movie in 2020 because of that.

The Western Industry is decaying because its led by the equivalent of tenured teachers of writers and artists. Writing stories and themes that are out of touch with the common man

>>6907680
huh, now that i think about it, don't doujinshi resemble comics far more in format?

obviously with the main difference being creative control.
this kinda shows that the comic industry really should have taken more risks with creators, especially with all the movie money going in.
cultivating a breath of works at a loss or breaking even is probably still better for the long term of the industry. it's the profit hungriness that is destroying the medium for these companies.

though then again, a lot of doujins are fan works of existing IPs, so not like it's something marvel or DC could do.

>>6905897
>2023
>caring about capeshit
>enough to read it let alone drawing it

>>6907320
>Europe where the lineage hasn't been broken
no it was broken in the 1910s but revived in a different form. a few places held tradition with singular artists in Europe. China actually has a strong lineage too and the got it from the french ecole in the 19th century so the soviets didnt need to help them. actually the soviets could have used their help.

>>6907637
marvel has had a bug up its ass since the 90s when the images guys fucked up their business. Marvel is open about this and is why they stopped promoting artists and kept tight reigns on what and how they do things never letting anyone get a huge as the image guys. Honestly I get it from the business stand point but for me the talent is one of the most important parts of a project and reason I'll check it out.

>>6905897
Marvel is dying because of the woke shit
His advice is common sense

>>6907401
>As far as I'm concerned
Nobody cares what you think. Manga is outselling Marvel and DC.

>>6905897
Genuinely impressed that they're sitting on some of the most recognizable IPs and with the Disney marketing machine behind them and they can't get people to give a fuck about their comics.

>>6905897
Yeah I just watch Mangaka vids. Who cares if they're 480p with no translation.
Digital is what killed comics but gave manga a second life imo.

>>6905897
>implying comics were ever good

>>6905923
no, what would make it work is someone from marketing from the 70'-90's getting put in charge, with a minimum wage with stocks, where if they succede they make fuckloads and if they dont they just had a fucking sub mcdonald's wage.

they would likely steer away front in your face politics, see the 'unsolicited opinions on israel' panel from a real thor comics where they replaced thor with a woman.

I don't think that marvel or dc will ever recover, they had their window with the movies, but they fucking destroyed it to the point the fucking movies lose money.

>>6907401
most manga have a good idea and probably 2 years of material they work through, after that its kind of seat of the pants.

>>6907401
>animeS
>mangaS

can't take him seriously when stuff like this was OK by his rules
>don't trace
lmao

>>6905897
Comics are dying because their accessibility is dogshit.

If I could get the biggest series from Amazon along with my dragon dildos or if there was some sort of app where I could read all I want including stuff from the 60s you can't even find legally anymore for 9$ a month with analytics telling me which series I might care about after I read enough, I'd probably buy most of the stuff I'm currently pirating.

Actually I'd uninstall the app because fuck getting endlessly datamined every time you open your phone but normies would love it.

>>6908699
S-She's fast!

>>6905897
No such thing as good or bad advice anyway. Just draw and your stuff will sell

>>6905897
So this is why comicsfags are so butthurt about /mmg/ lol
Explains a lot

>COMICS ARE DYING
>it's just a brownoid seething about capeshit
why do you keep making these threads?

>>6905907
literally or..?

>>6907712
>>6907680
>this kinda shows that the comic industry really should have taken more risks with creators, especially with all the movie money going in.
As Todd Mcfarlene has once said, the suits and editors like that FAT fuck in the video will give creative types control of a series if the comics are not selling well. But once that comic began to sell well, the suits and editors will do EVERYTHING to reign the creator in and take the comic line that you are able to bring up the gutter.
Marvel did that to Todd and many other artists, which is the reason why Image shows up.

And you think Marvel or DC would allow any competitor to show up and overthrow capeshit? Fat chance.

i don't understand, do comic artist just not have editors or what, why are they just now allowed to at least try some creative shit

>>6907401
You're a faggot Cebulski

>>6910819
It's very funny how image was the biggest culprit in ruining comics in the 90s.