/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma20-memorable-smile/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

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Good morning, Anons

>>6897097
Hello
Nice looking characters

>>6897103
And a fine hello to you as well. Wishing a well morning for everyone and to keep on killing it with their manga/comics

>>6897097
Very nice subtle perspective warping!

>>6890291
Update: I got feedback on those inks and the finished page and K-san generally seemed pleased by them, however after showing his boss (who I assume is the editor in chief?), his boss pointed out some flaws with the line work. While they'd be fine for a non-ero manga, they're too clean and need to make better use of the line weight to convey softness. K-san also added that in order to compete with the natural character analog inking has I should draw the lines with multiple shorter lines, and showed me a bunch of examples that basically build their lines with thin, messy strokes. Comparing these examples with the printed versions on my own, I can definitely see why, as they look way better once printed.
So after sketching and inking a second sample page in this new style (pic related) I submitted it and got a response. K-san liked it, and took it straight to his boss who I guess also liked it because I'm being told that they'll debut me. There is, however, a condition: they want me to debut with a whole new story, then I can come back to this one. This one's a bit too basic to make for a good debut, I guess. Anyway, now I'm to pitch a few different ideas (no need for any complete ネーム yet, just designs + a summary and a selling point) with a harem theme. So I've got a lot of character sketching in my immediate future, as I've got a shitload of heroine designs to come up with for all these pitches. They'll pick the one they think is most interesting and we'll work on it from the ground up to debut it in Mugen Tensei.

>>6897281
what brush are you using for your lineart

>>6897282
>>6890571

>>6890571
Interesting, thanks anon. Your work is fantastic btw
I'm also trying to figure out what works best for me, real G-pen is something I've been trying, but thinking of leaning towards tweaking a pencil brush

Which is better between starting the long-term comic you always wanted to make right off the bat and just starting first with something shorter and on a much smaller scale if I've never make a comic before?
I'm currently planning an adventure shounen-esque story that takes place in a Sci-fi Post-Apocalyptic Fantasy setting with mecha and cyberpunk elements that starts lighthearted and episodic (following the daily life of two young apprentices at a magic academy alongside a 20 years old male aspiring knight who spends his days chilling and occasionally fighting bandits and wild animals while hoping to live a quiet life) and then gets more serialized and bigger as it goes on, but a fictional world like the one I'm building would take a lot of research for it to not ending up slighty nonsensical or bloated for no reason, so it might be more reasonable to start with smaller more genre-focused, unrelated one-shots with similar themes I could improve upon later in the "dream project" itself.

>>6897300
Your "dream project" will not always be your dream project. Just start it already because you won't be putting your best effort into anything else and you will stunt your own growth by halfassing your work.

>>6897287
>>6897281
meant to respond to this

>>6897300
hmm I have the exact same issue
one idea I was going to go with was maybe do smaller one shots set in the same world, but from the perspective of side characters
you still get to world build and practice without really destroying anything concerning your main characters or main story

>>6897300
>>6897360
You could always just remake/reboot the story later

https://medibang.com/mpc/titles/l32310102230307240025349574/

Absolutely hideous no efford AI comic got an award. They clearly signal they want to go AI.

>>6897300
Do whatever motivates you. However the important thing is to start. Just draw. Do anything. If it's your first comic the quality is going to be amateurish either way.
If you're planning on doing a lot of research and preplanning that sounds like it can easily turn into an excuse to not work. Working consistently on drawing every day is not something you can turn off and on, it's a discipline you have to build up. Just make a comic, either a short story or the first chapter of your epic or a cool scene from the middle of it, see what the quality is, then go from there.

>>6897382
It didn't get an award, it is just in the top 10.

Obligatory repost

>>6897300
Make one shots, only one shots until you get picked up by a publisher

>>6897501
>until you get picked up by a publisher
lol, so forever

>>6897514
For you

>>6897373
eh, remakes can kind of hurt you in the loong run, especially if you are serious about your story. It can kind of make a split in your work, especially if you gain any sort of fanbase

anyone else delaying their suicide with comic projects that never end?

>>6897521
Everyday

Finally done my first comic after 5 years, I felt that I had the obligation to finish it. Someday I will translate the rest to CHADenglish.

Do I need like the highest skill in drawing, or can I use my more childish sketchy style?

>>6897995
One Punch Man

what exactly are these guidelines for?
where does the actual manga drawing go?

>>6898403
The simplest way to think of it is this: Draw the page out to the outmost blue border, and keep all the important stuff (text, character expressions) within the innermost blue border. That's pretty much it.

>>6896623
So... i tried using croppy, but that just cut images into more images... what i wanted it was what the page did, but backward, stitches the images together, but without using the weebtoon page

>>6898403
google it retard

>>6898407
could also tell you to google it but this is a more obscure problem

ffmpeg -i 1.png -i 2.png -i ... -filter_complex vstack stitched.png

might not be the answer you want but ffmpeg makes this easy

>>6898444
Don't worry i just got sleepy and did it fast


So anyways i wanted to compare what i did last year, with what i did now...
Not in the art or paneling, just that i remember that last year some anon said that he could see that i was trying to say something, but i couldn't say it right... so mosly i want to see if the dialogue isn't bad now and if the message is finally understandable

Here is what i did last year (digital sketch)

>>6898471
And now, what i'm doing right now (now i sketch in trad and later i will trace it in digital)

>>6898471
>>6898474
Btw, before going to bed i just to point out that last year i was forcing myself to use 3d models to "save time"... i honestly think that i work faster (i don't know if better, you can judge yourself) practicing a bit more or anatomy

>>6898444
>google it
>thousands of ai spam sites full of word salads
times have changed.....

>>6897281
Congratulations, anon. Hope you can get your new story to work out

>>6898512
excuses, lazy
works on my machine

>>6897281
Just curious, what do you do for a living?

>>6898939
Comics.

>>6898403
here's how I understand margins, everyone feel free to correct me because I'm new to this shit:
the innermost box is for important shit, it's the part you're sure will show after the machine is done cutting, if you aren't drawing your panels to the margin this line is where you should stop.
next line is where the machine SHOULD cut but if you're drawing panels to the margin of the page you shouldn't stop here because the next line is kinda like a "tolerance", since the page may be slightly misaligned the machine will cut somewhere between the trim line (2nd box from the inside) and the bleed (outermost line), if you stop before the bleed line when you print it out you may get ugly white margins to the sides of your panels like in picrel

>>6898403
here's an image I made for someone the other day, after he tried to make a tiktok video about it. I wanted to tell him off because he keeps trying to make tutorials about manga when he's literally only ever drawn a couple pages in his life, but I guess I try to be polite.

There isn't enough special attention paid about Nodo zones, and honestly if you're going to be putting attention on the margins you can't neglect it. With every page you make, you should know where it lies in your book from start to finish, otherwise, disaster!

Imagine eating Mexican food from a white person in Nebraska. That’s what it’s like to read a "manga" from a non-Japanese person

>>6899347
hey if it's good it's good I don't care if my carbonara was made by an american reading instruction off of a cooking book

>>6899347
you're just a sad human being, plz don't expect others to be like you. thx and fuck of this thread.

>>6898943
What were you doing before comics, and how long did it take you to get a full on freelance career going? Do you have a large social media following?

>>6899347
I eat Mexican food made by me (yellow person in Finland) and it's breddy gud

>>6898471
>>6898474
message is bee yourself
did I get it right?
you should sketch lighter

>>6899347
>Imagine eating Mexican food from a white person in Nebraska. That’s what it’s like to read a "manga" from a non-Japanese person
Time is changing around you and you will be left behind

>>6899525
Left behind in what? Manga will never be an international thing and if it does become that it will die immediately. The only reason weebs like manga is because it is made by East Asians. You remove that part and they won't care anymore.

>>6899347
I know a black guy that makes the most authentic Chinese food

>>6899532
>The only reason weebs like manga is because it is made by East Asians.
/a/nons despise Chinese and Korean stuff and weebs outside /a/ don't give a shit where their stuff is made. People you're describing don't exist.

>>6899449
>What were you doing before comics,
I was in high school with no idea what I wanted to do.
>and how long did it take you to get a full on freelance career going?
Something like 8 years. I started drawing comics when I graduated school in 2013, and I made my first dollar from comics in early 2022. Up until then I got by on centrelink checks (unemployment checks for you americans). I tried a couple of jobs but never lasted long, so for me it's ride or die on comics.
Thankfully I got pretty decent at drawing comics for an amateur so it wasn't that tough to find work, I quickly jumped from commissions to a more stable gig.
>Do you have a large social media following?
lmfao no. I got comms through the /aco/ commission discord, and I got the stable gig by simply looking on upwork for people hiring artists for their comics and applied to the ones I found. I'm really not a big social media user at all, can't stand it. Even 4chan becomes more and more unbearable by the year, so eventually I'll likely stop coming here too.

>>6899532
Not true, I think all black and white comics are rad. It just happens that manga is the best bet to making them your profession without becoming homeless.

anyone know of mangakas that ink with a brush? I have a video of Inoue doing it with sumi brushes and Ikegami does a mix with brush and pen, but I am unaware of others. I find that brush inking is so much better for most things I do, this is probably because my background is with american comics like al williamson and alex raymond.

new project
it's top->bottom but with the left column first, sorry if that's confusing

>>6899806

>>6899807
who wants 25 chapters of bear?

>>6899086
>>6899069
thanks anon
I guess the safe area is only really relevant if printing smaller pages with high page counts. probably wouldnt matter in a large/doujinshi style print

>>6899977
No, it's always relevant no matter the size.

Outside of Japan, has anyone ever mastered this style of paneling besides Tony Valente?

>>6900092
More of Tony Valente's work

>>6900099
Cool comic

>>6899532
People have been reading Radiant for 10 years now, anon, you just need to be good like Radiant is.

>>6900100
I know, I wish more western comics were like that instead of that ugly shit that is the typical western style

>>6900092
conto https://twitter.com/poderdohokuto/status/1702301242704134523

>>6900110
I like his style but it seems pinups, not comics?

>>6900111
he makes comics too

>>6900116
seems different style of paneling though. Makes sense, it's suited to comedy.

>>6899675
that's amazing anon, thank you. It's always pleasant when you answer questions for us

>>6900100
it has manga formatting so it's a manga, a manFRA to be precise

>>6900127
Correct. It's also called Franga.

>>6900127
I probably shouldn't open this can of worms again, but putting "well, that's just how it's done" arguments aside, is there any inherent artistic advantages in R2L formatting? What makes it important?

>>6900244
>is there any inherent artistic advantages in R2L formatting? What makes it important?
If you're making manga, yes. Otherwise it's a comic/graphic novel.

>>6900250
So there's nothing more to it than "well, that's just how it's done" then?

>>6900253
Pretty much.

>>6900244
If you're planning on achieving success in Japan, the manga audience is already used to R2L, and it's easier to translate into Japanese.

>>6900258
>>6900264
I'm gonna stick to L2R then. I don't have particularly strong feelings on this matter and I'm to used to both personally, but I don't want to ape things blindly; I'm copying the manga aesthetic because I love it, but I don't particularly care about the reading direction and my main targets are 1. the [REDACTED] audience 2. the global English-speaking audience. I have a somewhat decent grasp of Japanese but it's nowhere good enough for me to use it as my writing language. I also really like my own country, culture and language.

>>6900302
based and respectable

>>6900302
That's a manga-inspired or manga-styled comic. As long as you call it that it's fine.

>>6900027
why is that? The binding on large print manga is tiny isn't it?
or do you mean artistically?

>>6900341
No matter what size there is always a trim margin.

Is it a good idea to base each comic page on the cool/fun thing you wanna draw and try and build around that?

1. You make a base line plot for what's gonna happen.

2. You break down the base-plot so that you can draw something "fun" on every page.

3. You draw the fun thing on every page, limiting it to 1 or 2 major panels.

4. Then you connect all cool things you really wanted to draw together so that it makes sense with the base-plot.

It's somewhat-putting the art 1st. You technically put the writing 1st, cus you're drawing the story you planned, but you're fine-tuning the pages based on what's fun to draw, for you.

We we're thinking about trying this so I wouldn't get bored so damn easily.

>>6900416
For instance, something like this.

-The plot point is this character jumping into the fray.

-We decided on it happening on this page.

- I'm currently drawing this without the rest of the page in mind. She’s anime-speed blitzing a bunch of random goons. It's gonna be a bunch of slashing FX and chopped up bodies in the BG.

- Once this drawing is finished, the rest of the page will be configured around it and we'll go from there.

>>6900437
Having one cool-ass shot, or pose, or a huge 2-page spread for an establishing shot, or emphasis on something is fine, and having the whole page layout revolve around that is fine, but I would say you should also plan out what else is going on the page or panel, and not just thoughtlessly drawing that all in later. Often times, it can be obvious that those elements are an afterthought.

However, one thing that has always stood out to me is that manga tends to have fewer, larger, and more illustrative panels and paneling than a lot of other comics. There is more emphasis on the art and the action and the visuals are often a lot more dynamic.

It often very heavily emphasizes the shot, or the emotion of the character or the gravity of the situation and/or action. So, I don't think what you're putting forth is really that much of a secret. You also do have to be a little careful about not making every panel and page slap-you-in-the-face cool, or it can tend to lose its impact if that's all you're doing.

>>6900482
A lot of western comics treat every panel like it's a painting, some of them look super beautiful but tend to feel extremely stiff compared to manga. Often in manga there's first a panel or two with detailed backgrounds to establish setting of the scene and then in the following panels there's a lot of close-ups and characters in white void until there's a change in scenery. It creates a better flow on the pages and helps the manga breathe easier.

>>6900302
but what if the english speaking people you're trying to sell your work to read more R2L manga than comics tho (which is the case nowadays)???????

>>6900556
Unless they are turboweebs who never read anything other than manga, they will have no problem.

And if they are turboweebs, they will not be reading fake western wannabe manga anyway.

>>6900482
Thanks. It shouldn’t be that hard since other people are working on it and they care way more about the story and editing than me. I just draw. I would hope they take the care and steps you mentione on their end.

>>6900556
Even if the only comics they read are manga, they'll adjust easily. L2R is extremely ingrained in westerners since it's used everywhere in their life, even in places that they might not consciously realize its presence, and there's a bit smoother flow when both the text and the pictures have the same reading direction. Even translated manga is L2R to some degree thanks to the Latin alphabet.

>try to erase stray pencil mark
>actually an ink drop
SHIT

Would Dick Nakadashi be a tasteful pen name?
It symbolizes the synthesis of the Occident and the Orient.

>>6900680
>Dick Nakadashi
Yes it would kek. Sounds like a weeaboo comic artist pen name. Someone whose style is more visually similar to Marvel/DC but he only ever draws Asian females wearing either skimpy versions of traditional clothing or nothing at all.

>>6900700
Sounds like a guy I wouldn't mind having a beer with, he'd probably look like Mad Holy.

>>6900567
I don't read anything other than manga and I still read manga made by white dudes, at least the titles that are good for my basic shonen taste

>>6898471
>>6898474
This seems like a really heartwarming scene!

The message was clear to me. The revisions did improve readability, although the detail about being a hero was lost. I would have to see more context to this scene and the characters to say whether the message itself made sense.

I really like where you're going with this, do you happen to have more to show?

>>6899347
>uh, White People can't be Mexicans
Sorry, I didn't know I was born in the wrong chunk of land...

>>6900831
Stop drawing coom Pantsu-Ripper, your gritty stuff was full of sovl

>>6900625
>try to erase stray pencil mark
>now have eraser smear instead

>>6897570

After three days of trying to color it I'm not even sure if the result is decent

>>6901113
Is that space weed?

>>6901113
Looking good! Love the strong shapes and contrast. Nice use of stamps for the background without making it look stagnant. I like where you are going with the color. This page looks like it may benefit from flat colors altogether, and just let your inks and shapes do the work of the shading.

>>6900543
Is it a fact that Shonen have far less panels?

I've recently started reading One Piece and I'd the the panel average is around 4. What you posted seems to have more panels than I'm use to seeing.

>>6901740
Shounen on average has 4-7 panels per page
>source?
Seen several videos saying it, SMAC mentions it a few times IIRC

>>6901740
Cross Game is a shounen too. That said though, I do have the impression that Shonen Sunday has traditionally gone for a little bit older/more mature audience than Shounen Jump.

>>6901747
I see pages like this really often. Looking back at what was posted compared to this, is averaging 7 panels a page okay? Or does shit like One Piece have too few. Cuz I see the One Piece panel style a lot more often, based on what I read.

>>6901763
Forgot pic

>>6901763
one piece panels go kinda nuts nowadays

>>6901763
If the stuff you personally prefer is like that then go for it. While I'm not personally the biggest fan of this fact, I'd guess that a lot of shounen fans read manga on their phones so it'd probably make sense to have fewer and bigger panels.

>>6901758
Okay. So more paneling might geared for an older audience? I notice hentai has less panels, too. But that may be for obvious reasons.

I'm new to manga so I might have a misunderstanding of Shonen or Shounen. I thought it just mean Action-packed

>>6901771
WTF?! I don’t know if this is good or bad? I honestly don't like that. But I'm new to Japanese comics.

>>6901777
Shounen = boy(s)
It means that it was published in a magazine that targets the young boys' demographic. Well, at least on paper. The reality is a bit more complicated.

>>6901780
It's kind of bad, and not really the standard of japanese comics, it's really just the one piece author eichiro oda.
And trust me I love one piece, but Oda likes to frame his panels with reaction shot like its the anime

>>6901785
I love the art of the page, but the fact that I still have trouble remembering that I need to read from right to left on top of that paneling fried the shit out of my brain.

I swear to God I would skip that whole section and not even try to read it.

>>6901777
>Okay. So more paneling might geared for an older audience?
I think it's more about how plot/dialogue-heavy the story is and how much the author needs to cram those in a story. Physical manga volumes are generally pretty small so it doesn't make sense to go overboard with the number of panels.

Would Sasuke Uchiya be a tasteful pen name? What about Naruto Freecs?

>>6899808
sketch page

>>6899806
>>6899807
>>6899808
>>6901824
Not manga.

>>6899806
>>6899807
>>6899808
>>6901824
I love me some Bear adventures

>>6901830
oh no, the small dick parade found this thread again...

>>6901840
>small dick
What a very feminine and unintelligent poor attempt of an insult. You are the cancer.

>it's women and trannies with no standards condoning degradation of the space
Of course. And you wonder why there's no good manga or anything out anymore.

>>6901830
I prefer the term manco (manga + comic)
try and say it's not manga after I introduce the power system

>>6901832
better strap in then, because I'm going to promise you one wild bear adventure

>>6901844
I can't believe /mmg/ killed manga...
You fucking maniacs, why did you do it

>>6901852
That's not manga it's not even formatted nor does it bear any resemblance to the style. This is sheer disrespect to the artform.

>>6901842
>>6901844
sorry can't hear you faggots over the small condoms you'll never use.

>>6901856
That's just because I suck. If I knew how to paint like Tsukushi or some cool shit I'd be doing that.
Would you prefer it if the columns were right to left?
>bear any resemblance
I think it BEARs some resemblance, don't you?

>>6901866
>Would you prefer it if the columns were right to left?
If you're going to call it manga it has to be otherwise it's just a comic.

This is getting unbearably out of control

>>6901870

>>6900986
>arm snapped off
worst armrest, hope he'll be ok

>>6901830
As a pure yamato damashii 日本人 I can confirm that it is indeed 100% 漫画

>>6901852
I can't get enough of Anon's delicious fresh raw manco. I'm going to lick it...!!!!

>>6901891
damn purist shitters on suicide watch!

>>6901866
don't worry about these retards, keep doing your thing, you'll improve with mileage and study. Just keep making sequential art.

>>6901856
Who gave you waito piggu the authority to define what's manga? If it's a story composed of drawn images arranged in a sequence, it's manga.
>B-but in English
Shut the fuck up waito piggu

Anon comic artist from other thread who bitched about group shots with 15-20 side characters who have extreme detail. I'm finally done, got paid, noped out when he asked about the next chapter.
Trying to decide how to prepare for this in the future. Do I ask the writer how many characters their issue/chapter/etc will have? How many group shots to expect? I would just ask to read the script beforehand, but usually writers don't hand it over until I sign a contract.

>>6901912
thanks, I'll ganbarimasu my best
I'm glad I've improved enough for the criticism to evolve from "preschooler art" to "not manga", just gotta look towards the future...

>>6901908
anon that page is only 11 hours old, you sick bastard

How does the weeaboo hobby website of all places have the worst manga making threads on the internet?
Because it's overrun with ironicweebs who watched a dubbed anime and think they can scribble anything and call it "manga". The circlejerking fags who say that words and definitions don't matter. No checking idiots who use terms wrong. All of this leads to degradation until only soulless AI manga is left.
Think very carefully about the future you want to live in.

>>6901961
wee lil'dick retard still at it lul

>>6901961
You know you're running out of arguments when you have to resort to posting vague monologues aimed at no one in particular

>>6901975
You only "run out of arguments" when they've been debunked. Nobody has. Doubling down on your ignorance doesn't mean you've refuted anything.
And it seems they hit two of you so you might be the kind of people I'm talking about.

>>6901961
I got the wrong fucking download link ONCE, I don't watch dubs

>>6901961
/ic/ has this problem in general, usually threads and posts bitching get more attention. Except the threads where people exchange assets and ref packs, everyone loves free shit
But if you're looking for webcomics discussion, then you'll have to go to /co/'s /hyw/ generals

>>6901983
If you love manga and Japan so much why do you insist on a definition of manga that no one in Japan agrees with?

>>6901996
>But if you're looking for webcomics discussion, then you'll have to go to /co/'s /hyw/ generals
This is what comicfags need to understand. This is the manga thread.

>>6902007
>a definition of manga that no one in Japan agrees with
This isn't true. Youtubers being polite to American graphic novel artists doesn't count.

>>6902016
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB/#jn-210318
https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB
I see nothing about R2L here

>>6902022
>漫画(まんが、英語: comic(コミック)

>>6902022
>I see nothing about R2L here
Because all media is read L<R there so it's understood already.

>>6902011
If you go there posting about traditional style comics, they will redirect you here. Since manga and manga-style purists would prefer no comics or webcomics on their thread, should comics start it's own general here?

>>6902026
That's not true at all. Almost everything on the Japanese internet is L2R, subtitles on television and video games for example are L2R and so on.

>>6902029
Yes, and I'd participate in it

>>6902011
we get clowns like you every two or so threads
everybody is shitting on you because you seem new here, if you didn't get the hint, FUCK OFF.

>>6902029
>create yet ANOTHER general thread
no, everyone needs to get the fuck over it, we've had this discussion too many times
OP has done well to keep the general going and ignore nitpicking nodraws
>The general thread for Manga
>/ manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration
>and related comic work.
and people STILL bitch about this shit.

also, /co/ is a blue board and is full of redditors and horsefuckers, no one should be forced to go there

>>6902058
>also, /co/ is a blue board and is full of redditors and horsefuckers, no one should be forced to go there
Nevermind the fact that the /hyw/ threads on /co/ are full of autists, retards, and discord trannies that do nothing but fight back and forth.

Its reminiscent of what is going on in this very thread, so I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the cancer cells from those threads oozed their way over here in an attempt to infect these threads too.

>>6901937
wouldn't hurt to try to ask. Don't want a repeat of that other guy

>>6902062
still small dicking the thread I see

>>6902058
>ignore nitpicking nodraws
That's a good point. when someone comes in and argues only manga being allowed, ask them to "pyw?" They won't because they just want to complain

>>6901888
it's no big deal, his arms are litteral twigs

>>6902062
If you're gonna keep running away, run away till you're out of this thread. Otherwise, show us a reputable Japanese source that says R2L formatting is crucial to the medium of
>漫画(まんが、英語: comic(コミック)

>>6902103
I'm assuming you replied to the wrong person, because I'm not the one you were having the argument with about that.

>>6902111
Alright, sorry about that then.

>>6902058
>NOOOO just let things in the thread that aren't on-topic!
Fuck off retard.

>>6902033
>. Almost everything on the Japanese internet is L2R
Guess what? Manga existed before the Japanese internet and books are still read L<R
Cope, you're wrong. Use the fucking term properly.

>>6902087
Or they don't post work because it's just going to get shit on and the completely valid argument ignored and replaced with more shitflinging.
The bottom line is comics =/= manga and they belong in their own thread.
I don't want to learn about comics, I want to learn manga, so I come to this thread called /manga making general/ instead of /hyw/ in the COMICS board. If the MANGA thread is full of capeshit westshit bullshit then it's not what the thread is about and those posts are off-topic.

>>6902169
>I don't want to learn about comics, I want to learn manga
Are you retarded? A good varied media diet is essential for a good artist. All the all time great mangakas had more interests and influences than just manga anon (i.e Oda and Tezuka with disney movies)

>>6902158
>>6902169
you don't have to worry about it, just like in real life, nobody wants you here. Just go your way, these threads have been doing fine without you retards.

>>6902176
I don't care. I want to learn MANGA, not COMICS.

>>6902177
Sounds like a personal problem. Use words properly.

>>6902169
you will never be japanese

>>6902182
>I want to learn MANGA, not COMICS
NGMI

>>6902183
And how does that change anything?
Manga =/= comics

>>6902169
>>6902182
>>6902191
pyw or fuck off because let's be honest, you're not making anything (comics/manga/mahnwa/manhua/ webcomics/etc)

>>6902183
This but unironically. Unless you have a severe cognitive problem you just have to realize this fact at some point or another.

>>6901581
Thanks, yeah my biggest complaint was that the color might distract from the black-white shapes

I think I'll go for this solution, to keep the contrast

>>6901549
Now I can see it

>>6902197
Ever thought about using textures (I.e Gold textures) in your work anon? feel like your style would be perfect for a water color + foil texture coloring style

>>6902197
I think it works better in black and white

>>6902193
>>6902196
>dude my favorite comic book character is Ichigo!
>yeah man my favorite manga is Maus!

This is what you're defending. Me being Japanese or not has nothing to do with the importance of using proper terminology. This lack of standards degrades the entire artform.

>>6902221
>This lack of standards degrades the entire artform.
PYW

>>6902160
So what? Are you going to claim next that English-language (L2R!) novels aren't 小説 (shousetsu)? R2L is the traditional format in Japanese literature but L2R reading direction doesn't disqualify a work as a manga or a shousetsu. It's also pretty common to see Japanese people refer to Japanese manga as コミック (comics)* and they use フランス漫画 (French Manga) and バンド・デシネ (bande dessinée) interchangeably to refer to Franco-Belgian comics.
*Examples include this website https://natalie.mu/comic and manga magazines like COMIC LO, Big Comic/Big Comic Spirits and countless others https://myanimelist.net/manga/magazine
>ctrf+F "comic" 342 hits
In short: >>6901918

>>6901113
just curious, how long have you been drawing? not a dig at your art, I just feel like I recognize it from a long time ago

>>6902228
>L2R reading direction doesn't disqualify a work as a manga or a shousetsu
Yes it does

>>6902228
>*Examples include this website https://natalie.mu/comic and manga magazines like COMIC LO, Big Comic/Big Comic Spirits and countless others https://myanimelist.net/manga/magazine
So all those companies must pump out Batman and Avengers issues like nobody's business.

>>6902239
Well, then your stance is that western marketing people are a higher authority on manga than Japanese people themselves.

>>6902182
>I want to COPY, not CREATE

>>6902243
If they don't think that "manga" and "comic" interchangeable, why do they keep naming their manga magazines Comic ____ or ____ Comics? Are they trying to mislead people to think that COMIC LO is actually about American superheroes?

>>6902221
In America it'd sound odd but in Japan that's very much the way it works. They use words like "Komiku" (Comic but transliterated to Katakana) to refer to their own Japanese Manga volumes and "Manga" to refer to comics from other countries "Furansu No Manga" (French Comics) "Kankoku No Manga" (Korean "Manhwa") "America No Manga" (American Comics)

Not a lot of time for drawing at all lately but I'm still planning on starting another comic/manga/BD/whatever as soon as I can get settled down in a new place and can unpack my supplies.

>>6902244
>>6902249
>>6902252
>>6902254
It's really not that complicated. It's just fags determined to use the word inappropriately to market their graphic novels who go through the mental gymnastics to justify posting their trash.
If you're a non-Japanese speaker when you say "manga" you (if you're not retarded) are referring to Japanese comics, because Japanese comics are specifically known everywhere in the world as "manga". When you say "comics" as a non-Japanese speaker you are more likely than not not referring to Japanese comics.
If you draw a comic that's not formatted the way manga is (L<R) and the style/aesthetic doesn't even come close to attempting the standard of Japanese comics (manga), then what you have is not a manga, it is a comic.

>>6901581
>>6902197
>>6902203
>>6902206
The thing is, I wanted to submit a portfolio to a publisher and so somewhere I have to put colors as an example

I'm a little burned out trying various color styles, I still have five pages to go to finish the document to send (which I won't color, I think)

Based on your advices this came out and maybe it can work, I will put it together with the gray-red one

>>6902269
Does the publisher require color?

>>6902265
Your argument has been all this time that manga is a completely different medium from comics so why are you suddenly calling manga Japanese comics?

>>6902271
It has a couple of black-and-white manga-style but it mainly does webtoons and times ago an editor of theirs had told me that they were aiming mainly at that

I'm not pitching for story but only for the drawing side (for now), so it's important to give a complete profile. In the portfolio I'll also put characters design of various like this

>>6902295
>Japanese comics (manga)
Manga =/= Comics
What is so hard to understand about that?

Getting back into this. I haven’t drawn seriously in over a year due to stress. Feels good man.

>>6902464
Looking good

>>6902261
tell me how to ink wash, please

>>6902309
Comics and manga are the same medium. Manga is used as shorthand for comics from Japan but the only real requirement for something to be manga is that it's a story composed of drawn images arranged in a sequence. In the context of /mmg/ it makes sense to emphasize manga stylization since we're all manga fans creating comics inspired by the comics tradition of Japan, but it's not inherently necessary for a work to follow Japanese conventions and aesthetics to be manga. It's purely a language issue; if you called Watchmen a manga, you would be technically right but you would be misleading the other person since an English-speaker would assume that you wouldn't call anything other than a Japanese comic a manga.

If the general name change to comic instead of manga would this faggot shut the fuck up? I dont think so. So let mmg to spit on his face.

>>6901771
Oda's strength has never been panelling.

>>6901779
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
why would you post such a painful image! This is purposeful, right?

Monday should be accountability day.
I sketch everything in blue pencil, so I can't take a photo of anything current today. Here's something from a couple days ago

>>6902464
what are you working on, anon?

>>6902029
>make a new gerenal
Please do. /hyw/ has worst drama than /ic/ on its worst day and you don't want to be in that hellhole for too long else you might get swatted.

The funnies part about the east vs west shit ITT is that I need see anything that looks like anime ever being posted here. You fags are purity spiraling for nothing.

>>6902612
Are you serious? Nts yeah a new gen here sounds even better now.

Here's some new pages I'm working on. It's a slice of life beach episode after a really long arc set in a cave. Each paper has two pages on it.

My comic is here:
https://medibang.com/mpc/titles/nv2306180607526800024117550/
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092
https://tapas.io/series/Oi
https://namicomi.com/en/title/ufQC7cAD/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/chapters?lang=en

>>6902671

>>6901961
>How does the weeaboo hobby website of all places have the worst manga making threads on the internet?
There are other websites with manga making threads? Drop some links.

>>6902645
I wish I was kidding but vendettas faggotry over there is on a whole nother level. they posted some dude's whole family a baby shower a while ago and someone else was swatted because of a 'misunderstanding' in their shitcord ( which now fragmented into 4-5 cords. they can't go into a single thread without constant namefagging, impersonating another artist to make people hate them,1/2 of the thread being wasted arguing and responding to every bait imaginable, faggot linking IP grabbers, and the list goes on and on.

>>6902695
I still dont get the logic of making a discord for that kind of shit

>>6902607
>lmfao

>>6902701
Having a place to speak (as in with your voice) with each other is a good way to filter out the real ones from the terminally online nodraws. It just tends to nuke the threads as a result. It's why I'm both for and against having a discord for this thread, as while it would help the people who make stuff connect, it would also inevitably lead to the threads going to shit.
That said we seem to have attracted the ire of a severely autistic individual, so I guess that last bit might end up happening anyway.

>>6902708
it's okay anon. the dialogue is fake. Also the count is up to two now so more than one today!

>>6901779
Didn't know Bendis did manga.

wip

people still publish on webtoon? or what is current place?

this thread remind me that I need finally redraw this shit KEK

>>6902764
loving your lineart anon

I will try redrawing this shit for this shibuya contest, for keks

>>6902235
>Pic related
Around a year ago I was posting in this thread an (unfinished) comic for practice

I think it's been five years that I've been drawing? Very up and down though because I'm not too passionate, sometimes I go six months without touching a pen but now I have to think about working on something

or maybe I try going for webtoon, it will be less embarrassing

>>6899808

>>6902515
>Comics and manga are the same medium.
Yes but no. Manga is distinctly Japanese comics. This is going to become circular because for some reason people are still too retarded to use words properly.
There is no hope for any of you and you're ngmi being this willfully ignorant.

>>6903033
>There is no hope for any of you and you're ngmi
Not him but I'm working with a japanese manga publisher on my debut work as we speak, and I also believe that manga and comics are the same medium. Whether or not the point you're arguing is true or false, your claim that anybody who believes otherwise will never make it is simply false.

>>6903033
Who's using the word wrong? The Japanese themselves?

>>6903033
>Manga is distinctly Japanese comic
The only fundamental difference between Japanese comics and any other comics is simply the country of origin. Japanese comics encompass such a wide range of styles, genres and inspirations that for every stereotypical naruto or bleach there are a dozen others that you would mistake for a Western comic if you had no access to google.

If you want to distinguish between "manga" and every other comic, then the only conclusion is that you as a non-Japanese can never make manga, because being made by a Japanese person is the only consistent universally applicable definition. If it is not, then "manga" is a useless label that describes nothing but your own ignorant preconception of what Japanese comics are supposed to look like.

>>6903048
They are the two very different categories of the same medium. How could you downplay the significance of manga especially when you work in the field? That's like saying Ukiyo-e and Soviet propaganda posters are the same. Sure they're both pictures, but vastly different in style, production method, format, purpose, etc.

>>6903054
>Who's using the word wrong?
People who post their R>L comics here, and people who think because they use speedlines and screentones that their R>L graphic novel is a "manga". These are the same type of retards, if you didn't know.

>>6903063
>then the only conclusion is that you as a non-Japanese can never make manga,
This isn't true.
An American can make Japanese manga, provided he produces it the way manga in Japan is produced. If it's in English original script it's OEL manga. If it's in Nihongo originally then it's just manga.

>>6903072
>provided he produces it the way manga in Japan is produced.
Not everyone in Japan produces comics the same way, retard. This is why you're getting btfo, you're fucking ignorant and probably underaged. At least I hope so, an adult has no excuse to be this stupid.

>>6903072
>How could you downplay the significance of manga especially when you work in the field?
Because the difference is not significant.

>>6903072
You yourself already admitted in this thread that the reading direction doesn't impact the reading experience in any meaningful way. What's the point of being mega autistic about it? R2L is just how literature with Chinese characters is traditionally written.

>>6903082
>Not everyone in Japan produces comics the same way, retard.
Look at every published manga in WSJ and similar companies. There is a standard, a set of similar unique stylistic and narrative features across all of them that is distinctly "manga".

>This is why you're getting btfo
Retards doubling down on their willful ignorance is not me getting btfo, it's dumbfuck dekinais trying to weasel into a market of a niche they don't even care about. It's disingenuous and degrades the entire space.

>>6903086
It is very significant, and if this is what you feel I hope you fail miserably at everything you try to do. Actually, you will fail miserably, because your lack of respect for the artform will ensure that.

>standards don't matter! nooo!
This is why everything sucks.

>>6903093
>You yourself already admitted in this thread that the reading direction doesn't impact the reading experience in any meaningful way
Format does matter, idiot.
Manga = R<L
Comics = R>L

>>6903095
Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

>>6903094
>It is very significant, and if this is what you feel I hope you fail miserably at everything you try to do. Actually, you will fail miserably, because your lack of respect for the artform will ensure that.
>>standards don't matter! nooo!
>This is why everything sucks.
Again, I am actively succeeding with this mindset. Does that not give you a hint that you're dying on the wrong hill?

>>6903094
lmao no wonder you're just a fucking nodraw whiner. You really believe "manga" is just naruto-likes.

>>6903108
>shounen is the only genre of manga
Of course an idiot would get this from my statement. You people are hopeless.

>>6903106
You will fail because you lack respect. I'm sorry.

>>6903111
>You will fail because you lack respect. I'm sorry.
And if I don't? Will you change your mindset, or simply bury your head in the sand and look for any excuse you can to not admit you're wrong?

This is my favorite manga panel haha!

Wow such great penwork from American penciller Terry Sodapop, inker Edward Burgerwitz, and colorist Sam DeCarbonara! I love comics!

>I ran out of arguments so now I'm just going to spam the thread with strawmen! Everyone but me is so silly!!

>I'm too stupid to see how retarded my own argument is, even with visual proof, so I'll just tell the anon making completely valid points that he ran out of arguments even though I'm objectively wrong

>Manga is actually like ukiyo-e, it's all kinda like one genre you know

>>6903131
>he thinks I think manga is just one genre
Lack of reading comprehension says a lot.

>>6903137
I'm not the one who compared it to ukiyo-e

can we stop entertaining this guy
he's obviously a crab, troll or plain stupid

>>6903131
sanctuary is a GEKIGA

>>6903138
I brought it up as an analogy which clearly you were too stupid to understand.

>>6903139
>noooo let me use words wrong they don't mean anything!

>>6903142
It's your own failure to use things that aren't analogous in an analogy

>>6903131
>posts gekiga
Gekiga is literally alt-manga kek you btfo yourself

>>6903147
No you're just dumb and can't read context.

>>6903148
>alt-manga
>manga

>>6903151
>alt-manga
Yes. Look it up.
The existence of alt-manga at all proves that there is a set standard for manga to begin with.
You proved my point by posting that. Congratulations.

Oh, well somebody better fix Buronson's Japanese wikipedia article then.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A6%E8%AB%96%E5%B0%8A
Japs have fucked up again, it seems. They're calling him a manga author.

>>6903162
>no mention of 劇画
Tsk, tsk

>>6903162
Doberman Deka and Fist of the North Star are manga, it's proper to call him that.
YOU are the one with no arguments.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF%E3%83%81%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AA_(%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB)
>サンクチュアリ (漫画)
>TL Note: Sanctuary (manga)
>still no mention of gekiga

Now this is a manga

Manga (漫画, IPA: [maŋga] [a]) are comics or graphic novels originating from Japan. Most manga conform to a style developed in Japan in the late 19th century,[1] and the form has a long history in earlier Japanese art.[2] The term manga is used in Japan to refer to both comics and cartooning. Outside of Japan, the word is typically used to refer to comics originally published in the country.[3]

>The term manga is used in Japan to refer to both comics and cartooning.
>Outside of Japan, the word is typically used to refer to comics originally published in the country.
This is all I've been saying and retards still don't get it. Why?

[1] Lent 2001, pp. 3–4, Gravett 2004, p. 8

[2] Kern 2006, Ito 2005, Schodt 1986

[3] Merriam-Webster 2009

What are your plans for your comics career, anons?

For me, it's this:
>land storyboard job or start doing freelance comic art
>master Japanese
>start freelancing for Japanese clients and get in contact with Japanese publisher
>pitch my own series and publish oneshots
>Eventually get my own series and be sponsored to move over to Japan

Are there any faults to my plan? I heard freelancers can't live in Japan, but I'm hoping a publisher would be willing to sponsor a visa for me much like Felipe Smith

>>6903177
Your entire point has been that comics and manga are fundamentally different mediums and that it doesn't matter where they're made and who they're made by. What you're quoting conforms to what the rest of the thread has been saying.

>>6903182
Master japanese and become an assistant to eromangakas before making my own ero
Also find a japanese wife for a spouse visa

>>6903185
>Your entire point has been that comics and manga are fundamentally different mediums and that it doesn't matter where they're made and who they're made by.

No. Just like >>6903176 is a western comic drawn by a Japanese manga artist, an American can draw (Japanese) manga. But for either to be true they have to fit the standards set by each medium.

>>6903193
>Also find a japanese wife for a spouse visa
I'm not exactly the most attractive person. There are alternative methods to securing a visa, right?

>>6903200
Corporate sponsorship/work visa

>>6903203
Publishers are willing to go out of their way to do that, right?

>>6903200
spouse visa is the most powerful and you can apply for permanent residency after 3 years. you don't have to be attractive to marry

>>6903206
If you're Kishimoto/Kubo/Toriyama/Oda level probably.

>>6903216
how did felipe smith do it? How about Boichi?

>>6903182
Anything. I'd like to have the opportunity to get published, doesn't matter to me weather it's in the US or Japan.
I think it's just a pipe dream though, so I'm not willing to bet much on it, so I haven't gotten very far, it might be a catch 22 kind of thing.
Every so often I take stock of how long I could live off my savings if I quit my day job, and I try to estimate if I could draft a good pitch for a publisher in that time.
It doesn't go anywhere though, because I end up reasoning I couldn't make a saleable comic if I had all the time in the world.
So really my plans are to enjoy myself and try to not become a chris-chan.

>>6903227
By being exceptional at the craft, like the aforementioned artists.

>>6903182
Long term - get one manga published in a Japanese magazine, anywhere.
Short term - finish the oneshot I'm currently doing.

Pipedream - Be worked to death by a hot Misato-type lady editor who always calls me gross when she comes by to pick up manuscripts.

>>6903232
Thank you for the encouragement, anon. I can do this! WAGMI

>>6903238
I always daydreamed about having a dekai oppai onna editor who angrily traps me in a love hotel and forces me to finish my pages while taking a steamy hot bath and whipping me with her towel

>>6903246
>he read it as encouragement
Good, it was intended to be.
NOW DRAW.

>>6903247
that's "kyonyuu" editor, you dekinai japlet. you will NEVER be nihonjin.

>>6903271
デカッパイ works too.

>>6903177
>Most manga conform to a style developed in Japan
If you specifically say that "most manga" conform to a style developed in Japan, it means that there are manga that don't "conform to a style developed in Japan" and they they still qualify as manga. If manga that don't conform to a style developed in Japan qualify as manga, it means that conforming to a style developed in Japan isn't a requirement for manga.

>>6903182
Making it with manga-style webcomics and getting published over here. I'm not interested in working in Japanese manga industry and I prefer the general European way of publishing comics; one album, one story arc (well, you see this in the doujinshi world too) – and you're not constantly battling with harsh deadlines. It's also how I read manga, I catch up once or twice a year to read a big chunk of chapters.

>>6903336

>>6903148
>>6903155

>>6903384
Sanctuary is seinen manga.

>>6903247
For me it's pic related

>>6903389
>dark, dramatic thriller
>aimed at older audiences
It's gekiga by the pure definition of it.

>"Manga" means "humorous pictures"; "gekiga" was designed as a parallel word meaning "dramatic pictures"

>>6903400
Monster, 20th Century Boys, Solanin, Oyasumi Punpun, I am a Hero, Boys on the Run, Vagabond, Berserk, Shamo, Akira, Shigurui, Blame!, Bokurano, Narutaru etc. aren't manga then?

>>6903409
Technically they count as gekiga, but the term manga has come to be broad and all-encompassing since the gekiga movement pretty much died down.
Interesting thread on /a/ about it the other day actually.

The Good: Finnish word for comics "sarjakuva" (serial picture) is neutral enough that there's no need for Manga/Gekiga or Comics/Graphic Novels type of conflicts
The Bad: Finnish comics themselves; if you want to win the Sarjakuva-Finlandia prize, your comic better be super dry feminist kitchen sink realism or something else equally grim and mundane

>>6903424
>super dry feminist kitchen sink realism or something else equally grim and mundane
what the fuck even lol got any examples?

>>6903426
2019 winner: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisaret_1918
DeepL it

>>6903426
>>6903427
And the 2022 winner was set in a reception center for refugees and asylum seekers:
https://voima.fi/artikkeli/2022/tyo-vastaanottokeskuksessa-avasi-sarjakuvataiteilija-suvi-ermilan-silmat-passin-tarkeydelle/

>>6902764
awesome work

>>6903427
>>6903430
And the latest winner, from this year:
>DeepL: Silmukka is about growing up as the only child of a single parent with a substance abuse problem, without a single safe adult. It depicts the emotional turmoil of adolescence and the consequences of a lost childhood. The work opens up a child's and young person's perspective on the post-1990s recession era, bringing out the small voices that are easily buried under seemingly larger social problems. The main character Nipsu's life is based on the author's experiences in a small town in Finland.

Anyone know what fonts are generally used in chapter pages?

>>6903458
Do you mean what font the scanslation group used from your translated image or what font the original Japanese manga uses?

>>6902472
Thank you anon! I suck at inking so I'm trying to get better little by little.

>>6902607
I just want to make a oneshot, I feel I always lose interest too easily.

I'm going to share some storyboard pages, can anyone give me some feedback? 1/8

>>6903541
2/8 (rough drawings just to establish the flow of the pages, so any advice here is more than welcome)

>>6903542
3/8

>>6903543
4/8

>>6903545
5/8

>>6903548
6/8

>>6903549
7/8

>>6903550
8/8
I hate this sketch, I really want to make a more impactful final drawing. But overall, the iodea is there. If anyone has ever made comics or manga before, can you tell me what can I fix to make the panels flow better overall? Is the manga understandable? Thanks in advance, and remember wagmi

>>6903555
Could try drawing the final pose more a bit, by which I mean not obscuring the arm with motion lines. Dunno if it makes it "more impactful", but it's food for thought.

>>6903555
Overall it looks really good, anon! 7/8 is the only confusing one because of how the dialogue bubbles are set up. I might put panels 2-3 side by side then 4 at the bottom or something. You don't have to make all the panels full page width, either

maybe writing a script should be the first stage my my creation process.
every time i try to make a nemu i get too caught up with the art side of things. i'm starting to think it would be better to separate story and art cleanly.

>6903548
>what did you saw

>>6903564
Give it a try. If it works, it works. If it don't, don't.

>>6903564
Writing a script or a loose outline would help because you can organize your plot points
At bare minimum, write out the dialogue and check for spelling/grammar because drawing software won't catch mistakes

>i look away for half a second and there's 200 post and bump limit
I'm too lazy to read, so what did I miss

>>6903530
The former, but not just this specific scanlation group. Just in general what's a good reccommded font to use for chapter pages

>>6903719
schizo ranting about what is and isn't manga

>>6903719
some cool shit like >>6902261 and >>6902764
lot of art this thread, but there was a big stinky argument too
my prescription is gallery mode

>>6903541
It feels pretty solid. Paneling doesn't need to go crazy, you're keeping it fairly modest just mostly doing boxes and horizontals and it works fine.
I had a bit where I got too experimental and messed up my pacing. I always like to say it's not about the panels, it's what's in them.

I find it kind of amusing the main character runs away, isn't chased but he thinks he was. that's a good bit.

After having done a successful oneshot myself and working on a second, i've been hammering out what makes a good short story. You're locked down on your "big moment", but in order to make it impactful, you need to go balls to the wall make he second half as dramatic as you can. Make the bad guy imposing, make the tone dark (literally, lots of darkness and high contrast) simplify the dialogue a bit and have the characters reflect that they realize they are in real danger. then, bring the light back with the last punch that makes everything kinda happy again.

One last thing i'll have to say is that the second to last page could use at least one panel of anticipation that something is about to happen. What that should be is up to you. This punch can still come as a surprise but adding an edge of final suspense will make it 'feel' less like it's coming out of the blue in the confusing way, gnomesaiyan?

>>6902487
Brush of course, but I keep several small bottles of ink that I have watered down to different consistencies to get several "shades"

>>6903813
I was hoping for some arcane hidden knowledge, probably an unreasonable expectation. I only have one mix and I make multiple passes to get darker shades, I'll try making a few different ones, thanks.

>>6902701
Discord fails because the people who make them are either the schizos ruining the threads or what most often happens-for some fucking bizarre reasons the owners decide to let in the same exact thread schizos in to the server foolishingly thinking they can be reformed or some other shit because waaaaaah I don't want to gatekeep. So the thread now discord schizos just shits up two places at once and makes the whole thing unbearable amd collaspe eventually.

>>6903902
I have been drawing and painting for many years and talked with absolute masters and what I can tell you is there are no real tricks or secrets. It's all on you.

>>6903992
thanks sensei, I'll do my best

Which one of these looks better?

>>6904210
2

>>6904218
Thanx

>>6897109
>>6897570
>>6897867
>>6899806
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>>6899808
>>6900986
>>6901113
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>>6903176
Not manga
The better term for these generals if art like this is allowed would be /cmg/ or /sag/
As another anon stated before it's confusing to enter a manga making thread to see mostly western comics. Your take on the definition is irrelevant, western comics are not manga and manga are not western comics.

>>6904366
i like the /mmg/ acronym better wtf is a /sag/ I know a couple of girls that could post in /sag/ eheh you know what i mean?

>>6904388
/mmg/ = manga and manga styled comics, not western comics

/sag/ = sequential art general, covers both manga and western comics

>just let me use words wrong!
>dude muh dick hurrhurr!
Retarded zoomer faggot

>>6904416
hey lil bro it looks like a manga it reads like a manga I don't get what all this fuss is all about that's all you expet me to post in /cmg/ hell no that's hella gay

>>6904431
>it looks like a manga it reads like a manga
Not these >>6904366
And since they seem to want to be included but not follow the thread topic it should be named something besides /manga making general/ if those type of posts are allowed.
Nobody posts manga in /hyw/, and those posts are more on topic there than here.
>/cmg/ is gay
Then tell comicsfags to fuck off from the manga threads.

>>6904431
Just ignore him.

>>6904523
>nooo just let me post off-topic!
No.

>>6902764
finished page

>>6902864
>>6903433
>>6903744
thank you anons!
>>6904210
2! pay closer attention to the flow of the composition. that right leg doing 90º breaks a lot of it. Use the "line of beauty".

>>6904210
2. This actually looks good!

>>6904366
>he didn't reply mine
You have it there anons, mine is legally a manga now, vouched by the resident schizo of the general

>>6905071
Is this >>6904575 you?
Not manga

>>6904366
>>6905101
pyw

>>6905110
My work follows the style of manga more closely than any of those. Not because I'm an anatomy god or anything because I'm not, I just know the differences between manga and comics, it's not that hard.
>post it
Nope, because you will ad hom and shitfling rather than debate (which was settled by the way, the conclusion being that manga and comics are not the same).

>>6905127
>My work follows the style of manga more closely than any of those.
prove it
>blah blah blah
too many words too little work. put on a trip so we can filter you

>>6905131
I don't have to. The main faggot himself proved my point and btfo his own argument (and the argument of his followers) by correctly recognizing pic related as not manga.

>>6904756
>>6904773
>I wouldn't call it manga,
The rest of comment makes a bad analogy comparison between cars. Go read for yourself.

>>6905159
why did you reply to me with no work to show
>blah blah blah
nobody cares retard you don't even draw

>>6905163
I do draw, and not posting it here for reasons doesn't mean I'm wrong or off-topic.

>>6905127
>Nope, because you will ad hom and shitfling rather than debate
That's rich coming from you

>>6905200
I haven't been proven wrong once. My argument stands on its own merit and my art is irrelevant. I can look my own page and tell whether it's comic or manga, because I already start out knowing what I want it to be- manga, not a comic.
So I will do things that aim for the standard of manga, not comics.

>>6903560
This is awesome advice, thanks! Will keep in mind, I’m not that good at action scenes so I have to study carefully >>6903563
yeah, I have to figure out a way to make it easier to follow. I’ll experiment with the panels.
>>6903564
ESL brainfart
>>6903751
Got it! Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain your point.

>>6904366
Approved by the schizo, tears in my eyes. Thank you oniichan!!

>>6905299
>Approved by the schizo, tears in my eyes. Thank you oniichan!!

Based anon thank you for understanding. Your willingness to appreciate the artform has made me want to post some of my (OEL)manga. I will finally post my work. It's really old but this is it.

>>6903555
You could try making the top panel an even bigger splash panel by having the bottom two panels exist within the splash panel. Panel 2 being a bit bigger than panel 3 to fit the dialogue. And then to make it more eye catching, go for more hyper exaggerated angles and don’t be afraid to break a lot of conventional rules. Be bold and confident

>>6905299
>ESL brainfart
wat
is "what did you saw"supposed to be proper english?

>>6905377
I meant me, it was my brainfart since English is my second language.
>>6905358
The angles are killing me. Will probably start using 3D reference for that one

>>6905101
Still not... that's mean that mine is still a manga

Next thread doko da?

>>6906045
Over here. Dingus who hijacked never linked to his thread here, but I'm not about to enter some lame power struggle over making threads.
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