/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Ok cool but watch this

>>6897125
>Take away your internet connection
...you think using SD requires an internet connection?

surprisingly, shad won that debate btw. even if he is delusional about his own level, what he is saying is more or less correct.

>>6897125
>shadiverse

>>6897125
Not gonna watch. does he get the fair use laws right? I'm guessing no.
the main 4 criteria on which it is judged.
>The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
>The nature of the copyrighted work
>The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
>The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work
and the fifth unspoken Judge based criteria that is real and has caused people to lose in these cases "Are you an asshole" (see cabbagepatch kids vs garbage pale kids, garbage lost)

>>6897125
>All you want is a title of le Artist without any effort
Kinda ironic coming from someone who has never drawn or will never post their work on /ic/

>>6897144
anyone could have made this thread.

>>6897125

Watch this

https://twitter.com/Rahll/status/1714833682786025571

>>6897142
I watched the whole thing, he basically makes the usual appeals to emotions and all the logical fallacies like every AIshill does i.e.
>but artist "stole" for thousands of years
>but ai learns
>but now i can feel heckin valid as an artist
It's all trying to justify AI as a legit means to make art while ignoring every bad thing and calling everyone a luddite who hates progress.

I wonder; if someone were to take all his vids, paste in it the ai and shit out vids, what he would think of that.
But my guess is that
>"rules for thee, but not for me"
>>6897147
and there you go
>"LIKE OMG I DONT EVEN NEED TO SAY ANYTHING LIKE OMG FUCKING LUDDITES U R JUST DUMB"
tripfag is shadiverse
lmao

>>6897140
/thread

>>6897150
When video AI is pretty damn good, these youtubers who defend AI will change their tune. shit's gonna be insane.

>>6897147
it's a good thing he didn't debate this guy. he would have attacked his art the entire time. it wouldn't have been productive in terms of AI discussion. it would have been a very predictable shitshow.

>>6897150
i love how you think putting his points in greentext invalidates any of them.
also appeals to emotion? that is just pure projection :)

>>6897125
>Arch your brother, Shad; he has stolen your birthright. Ze title of artist belongs to you.

>>6897163
Of course they will, because these grifters don't care about anything except themselves as long as they believe they're safe.

Goes to show you the IQ, critical thinking abilities and intents of these individuals when they cannot defend their stances and opinions objectively and in good faith when they're being challenged.

>And zis is my magic model bag.

>>6897144
It's okay, I don't mind giving you a (You), feel free to train sd on my masterwork

1. Unless the images were somehow removed from the owner's devices, nothing was stolen.
2. AI-generated kitsch isn't art.
3. I'm not watching any shitty youtube "essays".
4. You deserve a permaban for making a Xitter thread.

>same vernacular
>same mental gymnastics
>same avoidance to actually defend his points with facts and logic
>goes on calling everyone dumb and retarded because they do not agree with him while accusing others of the same shit he's guilty of
>refuses to engage honestly in any capacity
holy shit
we got em

>>6897150
>but now i can feel heckin valid as an artist
This one annoys me so much. All of us want to be ripped musclemen, but not all of us will be, nor deserve to be. Being muscular isn't just impressive because of your figure or strength, but the effort and commitment gone into it to reach that level. If you didn't put in the effort, you're strength isn't as impressive, or deserved.

Being good at art, or any talent really, is much the same. You didn't put in the effort to be good? Well then why should anyone be impressed by your pictures that you didn't draw?
And I hate the excuses of "oh you had the privilege of being able to draw, some of us couldn't"; faggot, everybody had some paper and a pen lying around, what a load of crap.

>>6897135
hey it's the guy that got destroyed by some guy's doodle

>>6897192
Yes, roidmonkeys have a similar inferiority complex, where they'll rant about how steroids aren't everything, how they still had to work hard, how you shouldn't discount their progress because they're on gear, that you're just a jealous dyel, etc, even though studies have shown how significantly your muscles grow due to roids even when you're putting in zero effort.

>>6897192
Exactly this.
They want none of the work, but all the rewards and they will call you a anti/hate/luddite if you don't make them feel heckin valid.

It's unironically the exact same mentality as trannies who put no work into passing but demand everyone to say they do, and call anyone a homophobe bigot because they don't find them attractive when they look like Gollum in a dress.

They command and demand respect and authority by abusing anything that can give them any power, lying and deceiving, while never doing anything worthy of any respect.
These type of people also usually don't respect the work or existence of other people; they're narcissists.

I like this video. And I like this character and her philosophy. And no it's not gay. But it sums it up all right. Using ai isn't even a shortcut, it's pussy-bitch-faggot way of self-indulgent wank.
https://youtu.be/g2y51Fu7lGo

>Representatives of ze Screen Acting Guild, Writer's Guild and Artist's Union. I have prepared a very generous offer on behalf of ze country of India.

>>6897125

My favourite video on AI. This link skipped the intro. You can go back and watch it from the beginning if you want. The intro just show an example of him using chatgpt to write a script for a youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MUEXGaxFDA&t=219s

>>6897211
>"... and that is the lesson of strength, turning away strength that is not your own."
Yes.

>>6897144
> Kinda ironic coming from someone who has never drawn or will never post their work on /ic
Fuck off proompt kiddy, all you do is post your garbage here. You don’t even draw

>>6897211
Funnily enough, the guy who uploaded that video is a massive AI fag.

>>6897125
Good to know that music is not art.

>look up the recent Shadiversity AI debate
>he didn't want to debate an industry professional artist who would know about industry trends and would critique his shitty art
>instead he chose to debate an independent youtube animator/author who called Shadiversity's shitty art "good"

Intellectual property is not real
Also, the side that complains and tries to make rules to restrict the other side because they can't compete is the inferior side
You never see AI artists going into hysterical fits of rage over a primitive artist using their work as a base and adding something. Its because they're calm and comfortable in their superiority and understand that art should belong to everyone, not just some autistic crossdressing gatekeepers
I created some art to illustrate this
Pic rel shows an AI artist showing his art to a group of primitive human "artists"

>>6897419

TOP KEK

>>6897419

>>6897419

oh no

>>6897421
False flagging primitive artists or just jews trying to ruin another great thing like they ruined the primitive arts community with crossdressers and minorities and intellectual property

>>6897425
>commission me a gay furry getting fucked in his ass by a big black furry cock

>>6897430
Why do ai shitters only spew out buzz words like some bot?

>>6897165
You said a few threads ago you only liked the sketching phase of a drawing and didn't care about finishing stuff.
Why then are you so infatuated with "finishing" stuff with AI?
Ain't adding up lil bro

>>6897451
Why does a new artistic tool upset a supposed "artist" so much?
Never realized artist types were so reactionary and resilient to change

>>6897457
Nta but sounds like the finishing phase is tedious so he likes ai to speed it up. Should have been obvious if you thought about it for a second instead of being a contrarian sperg

>>6897419
>You never see AI artists going into hysterical fits of rage
>>6897147

are we posting gay ass shit?

>>6897463
afaik he hasn't said anything about finding it tedious, just that he only likes the sketching part.
Also NTA dun' apply I'm talking to a tripfag you mongoloidic sperg

>You could have joined and ruled Twitter with us, brother, but now you have become a threat.
>Ve were only suppose to make big titties for fun, never directly interfere.

>>6897481
You do realize tripfags can and do turn their trip off to samefag right?

>>6897147
What does that weird creature from Nostalgia Critic's Wall review have to do with this?

>>6897427
Yeah this is what’s hilarious to me
>it’s just inspired by other artists’ work, like every piece of art throughout history. It’s not stealing!
>intellectual property doesn’t exist, I am justified in using other peoples skill and labor to make content that I get paid for
>thus, this is now MY original work
>wait no you can’t just use my same prompts
>no your AI art looks just like my AI art!
>it’s not inspiration, you’re just stealing, which was absolutely not what I was doing!

AI people are awful.

I'm starting to get very suspicious that this shad guy is posting in these threads
just the pedantic verbosity, the defensiveness, the bold claims about their own artistic ability, talks of "AI assisted workflow" and how much skill it takes, etc.
seeing the guy fly off the handle in the tweet above was hilarious. it could've been one of those posts
you know
the guy who couldn't prompt a fire goblin to spec
the guy who keeps posting those blurred "sketch to AI render" pics as proof of how much talent it takes... hmm, what is he hiding?

>>6897125
Just visited a couple boards since ages ago. And you know what? I can't complain. I actually find it nice that AI has their thread where everyone can share cool and funny shit and share their thoughts and experiences with it. When I'm in the mood I head in there and have a good time looking at fancy stuff people make AI do. Nobody is cutting throats and outside of that things are calm as ever. Almost fucking harmony I didn't think I'd be seeing.

But here for some reason faggots just run rampant screaming how "you're delusional you dont understand ai". It really seems like the worst kind of schizos come here to cope how they're valid through 300 reply long mental gymnastics that ends with them calling others retards for not understanding AI, when most here don't even want to and just come to draw or crab about drawing.

>>6897488
I'm talking to duc the cuck tho not his rando AIsister

>>6897163
>Binge eating pasta
Man, Willie hasn't been the same since the slapping incident

>>6897539
shad is exactly the type of nigger to trip here.

>>6897419
>You never see AI artists
>AI artists
that's because you're not artists and you own no work. you don't really understand what it means to work, create and be proud of something you've made. because you know that you're not actually making anything

>>6897550
>But here for some reason
Yeah, strange how an art board has opinions on art, right retard?

>>6897550
>Nobody is cutting throats and outside of that things are calm as ever. Almost fucking harmony I didn't think I'd be seeing.
why are you lying? when there have been constant complaints on those boards about this retarded worthless spam? were there "art threads" generals for every board? so why do we need kitschy garbage being posted everywhere now? several generals on /vg/ were absolutely ruined by this worthless spam.

>>6897550
I genuinely don't care what prompters do. It just irritates me when they have the gall to consider themselves artists when what their doing is hardly any different from fapping.

>>6897539
probably losing lots of numbers and burning all the bridges since he outed himself as a low iq ai cultist who went off on memes defending his ego substituting simulator

Really put all his years of content into perspective, if he is willing to die on that hill and go off against anyone that doesn't agree with him

There is also that other vid of his brother trying to tell him straight up that his work is not good but his brother held back before he could have another tantrum on camera
So many youtubers outing themselves as pieces of shit its unreal

>>6897623
the video of jazza tell him he's shit is like 7 years old, it's not recent. but jazza did actually have to go partial damage control and release a statement that he doesn't share the same viewpoint as his brother

>>6897626
>the video of jazza tell him he's shit is like 7 years old
Doesn't that make his current behavior even worse then? I can understand someone being young and immature but the guy is like reaching 40 or something.
>but jazza went on damage control
link?

>>6897618
I havent been on /vg/ for a long time. Question, what the fuck is this?

>>6897638
Here, https://x.com/jazzastudios/status/1712453034499015053?s=46&t=0BwyRF4kDKLPsbGpSOM1ag

>>6897646
that's on /g/. it's getting spammed with AIslop threads

i member last time i posted my gens on here, anon kept telling me "its not your art, you (or rather the computer) didnt struggle to get to where its at, hence its not as good as le reel art.
then i posted pics of my workflow, and anon changed their tune to "well, if you do something like that, then..."
none of you have any idea what actually goes into making "good" generated art. all you see are those dumbass bing gens and think thats all there is.
ive been doing this for three years, shut the hell up lmao

>>6897658
Part 2

>>6897661
Oh, you’re that /asg/ tard

>>6897658
yeah, i also tried to look it up, apparently shad was being homophobic or something lmao
>>6897662
ngl jazza seems kinda based now that i got to look at his stuff
imma sub to his yt channel

>>6897664
nope. im the anon that posted the thread "did i just find my safe haven?" a while ago. check out that thread, you all know nothing about generated art lmao.
massive cope thread.

>>6897665
shad has christian views and doesn't think men can become women
jazza disagrees. this wasn't him taking a stance agaisnt ai

>>6897661
Why do you expect people to bother looking at something you couldn't even be bothered to create?

>>6897550
>"you're delusional you dont understand ai"
i think its a pretty reasonable response to "you're not an artist" or "it has no soul"
when you press them to define what it means to be an artist, or to "have soul", they just turtle and call you a faggot or refuse to elaborate. funny how that works out.
observe -
>>6897675
define creation.

>>6897678
If you win at slot machine, did you make money or did you win money?

>>6897618
I'm not lying. Sure I wasn't on /g/ cuz it's a shitshow by itself, but after visiting /k/ and /v/, /k/ has a whole bunch of cool aesthetic war shit. /v/ also has a "slop containment" thread for now, but it's usually called "dalle thread" afaik. I get that this shit is everywhere, but it's not going away since every average joe has it now. I very much prefer it the way those two boards I visited do it. As comfy as you're gonna get it.

>>6897615
>Yeah, strange how an art board has opinions on art, right retard?
ok bro whatever you say, enjoy your threads

>>6897671
i figured what that post was about
i personally couldn't give a shit but i was just talking about his content. I mean, it's pretty alright and seems like a wholesome guy, don't get more based than that.

Trannies are abominations but shad is a tranny to me since he behaves like one.
He thinks a nerd with an infinite art machine suddenly can be an artist, don't get more tranny that that.

I really don't give a fuck about AI stuff anymore cuz in the end, if you can actually draw it feels 100000% better and more satisfying than tinkering around with a prompt.

>>6897683
>cant refute, posits absurd equation, refuses to elaborate
i didnt know you could control slot machines to give you a more desirable output. thats wild. where can i control the CFG? does the house provide LORAs? or can i bring my own in? switching models?
do you even know what any of those terms mean or how to apply them?
again, massive cope and seethe thread

>>6897695
>cant refute, posits "define creation", refuses to answer the initial question

anon thought the seething reached critical levels months ago but every day we are proven wrong

BEHEAD ALL NODRAWS

>>6897690
No it doesn't

come on anon, you have to have a better argument. there's no way that's all you can think of.

>>6897720
Because you suck shit at drawing and never got to the point where you like what you make

>>6897723
yes. yes i have. have you gotten to the point where you like something you've genned?

>>6897723
No I'm good I like what I make i just recognize that AI art can help you create crazier shit than you could just drawing in a tiny fraction of the time it takes otherwise.
Its an artistic force multiplier

>>6897731
Wouldn't you rather gain the skill to be able to create that without the AI though?

>>6897125
you can't stop the march of progress libshits
love is love, art is art
cope, shit and piss

>>6897737
I could, but I can also use that time for more important things. Why waste the time when I have a better tool readily available?

>>6897745
If you don't think art is important why on earth are you wasting any time at all on it lmao?
I can't understand you chuds
>art is useless but I'm so happy I can be an artist now with the help of my little AI companion!
Makes no sense nigga

>>6897752
Just because there are more important things doesn't mean it isn't important lol

underage thread

>>6897759
What's more important to you? What do you actually spend your time on day in day out? Be honest.

>>6897783
Shitposting on /ic/

>>6897787
Thanks for your honesty. I understand, one time a throwaway joke I made got over a hundred (you)s, I've been chasing that high ever since.

>>6897793
That wasn't me, I have a wife and kids

>an artist wants to save time making animation or a huge series (for a game or a comic)
>draws 100 reference frames
>finetunes a diffusion model on them
>produces animation/series from own sketches with the help of the model
All is own work. Where's theft in that? What has been stolen?
Sure, the base model was trained on others' art (much more on random photos though), but again, the resulting work has none of the learned features. Unless you count the ridiculously generic concepts like having limbs and a head.

Ergo, the "theft" is in the specifics of the usage, not the tech itself.

>>6897820
I don't think anyone ever refuted that.

>>6897801
>Bobby, daddy will play with you soon, he's just got to win this argument on the internet first
>"Daddy never wins"
>I know honey, I know...

>>6897222
Thanks for that Anon. It's a pretty great video.

>>6897820

>model was trained on

>the resulting work has none of the learned features

oh dear... you have no idea how it even works. AI will die. The company behind it are losing money. It might seem to be the next big thing but it's not. There's is no such thing and there will never be an "ai artist".

You don't know how the tech works and you don't know what artist do. You've been made to believe that you have talent. Unfortunately that "talent" is just a shadow of other artist whose work was trained on without consent. I suggest, if you have any amount of passion for art to start training like a real artist. If you don't then go play somewhere else.

This is not your world. You'll never be a part of it.

>>6897820
SD models trained on unlicensed data sets scrapped from the net. Using unlicensed, uncredited, images without given consent from the artist to train your model(product) is unethical, as is claiming authorship of artwork produced by a machine as your own. It's an unprecedented situation so no law exists (yet). But calling it theft is completely rational and entirely accurate.

>>6897820
You're talking to luddites. They don't care about logic, only emotion.
And that emotion is fear. They're afraid of new things, new tools, new technology. They're reactionary. Its not something they want to be talked out of because they don't like admitting they're wrong.
But it doesn't matter, the world is moving on without them like it does every time a new groundbreaking tech is introduced. There's always contrarians that take a while to die out. Their absolute best case scenario is that they are viewed as a novelty and relic from a bygone era and a few wealthy people that pity them throw some scraps their way.
I'd almost feel bad for them if they weren't so whiny

>>6897835
I perfectly understand how this tech works. Other shit is irrelevant to my question.

>>6897838
>generic answer I didn't ask for
I'll repeat the question. In the aforementioned use case, where's the theft, exactly? What exactly has been stolen?

>>6897125
jewgle and most social media platforms at least have the curtesy to ask you to sigh up to there services and TOS (pozzed as they may be) before they begin to harvest all your juicy data and you can protect yourself against the more intrusive ones with proper opsec, and That's the thing that pisses people off the most with these slop bot golem companies they never asked any permission nor ever bother to properly credit any of the artist who's work they scraped in industrial quantities to feed into the datasets and in many cases forcing the artist to compete with there own fucking art styles you can have never heard of dalle or stable faggusion but they can have still stolen your shit.
it's some of the most cynical shit if ever seen.

>>6897835
>AI will die. The company behind it are losing money.
picrel doesn't seem like they are
>>6897841
nice headcanon

>>6897841
Wow, what a colossal asshole you are!
>They have the gall to complain about losing their livelyhood? They even try to cope and reason about not losing it? Bunch of complainers and copers! I have no sympathy.

>>6897847
The theft occurs when images owned by an artist are entered into a dataset used to train the SD model, without their consent without given credit and without a license agreement.

The thing that is being stolen is the Intellectual property owned by that artist.

Was that still too generic for you?

>>6897841
>You're talking to luddites. They don't care about logic, only emotion.

>luddite
luddites where based and tedpilled
why?
because they could see the disasterous effects the industrial revolution would have on the human race while everybody was blinded by greed and techlust.
>land enclosure acts
>the rise of communism in response to the of the out of controll expliotation
>age of imperialism
a very simular thing is happening today but on a much more sinister and evil scale where people like myself are trying to warn midwits such as yourself about the dystopia you are creating to your own detriment.
here is a short list of how all this new wundertech is being used to royally screw over the new serf class
appliances (eg. you will own nothing and be happy)
DRM anti repair bullshit and artificially paywalled features on all electrical
mass survialance
addicition algorithms
social credit scores automatic bank locking (trucker protest)
this is why i despise AI faggotry and techbro cultist such as yourself on a universal basis you are incapable of realizing humanity will always abuse the power it is given

>>6897125
https://youtu.be/n1VybvjzaK0?si=5ve_ILeySstoh6iK
Threadly reminder that proompters are failed artists.

>>6897841
>new tech is le heckin good
I agree. The ability for governments and corporations to spy on you is based.

>>6897855
Yes, it it far too generic because you didn't even seem to read it. In this use case, the result doesn't have any recognizable features from the training set, and is completely produced by the artist who drew 1) the reference for the style transfer to work, i.e. the style is their own, and 2) the sketches for the final render to be based upon, i.e. the message is also their own.

What exactly has been stolen?

>when images owned by an artist are entered into a dataset used to train the SD model, without their consent without given credit and without a license agreement.
This is common to any ML model, not just generative ones. Video folks praise the magic keying features - you can work without the green screen now, AI works the magic of selecting the person in each frame. Self-driving cars, any computer vision, any speech recognition...
Surely you don't think smartphone virtual bokeh based on AI segmentation is "theft"? I don't think you thought your answer through.

>female
>girl
>1girl
It's very odd how proompters praise this shit when they feel compelled to keep adding redundant prompt tags. There's also a serious lack of self-awareness in these people to not realize how silly it is to call themselves artists while imputing shit like "4k hands" into a computer image generator program.

>>6897856
That's what I don't get, AI enthusiasts say that it will make everyone more productive.

How in the flying fuck being more productive in this hellish society is of any benefit? Why the fuck should I work even more for less pay, to give billionaires even more money?

>>6897856
>luddites where based and tedpilled
>why?
>because they could see the disasterous effects the industrial revolution would have on the human race while everybody was blinded by greed and techlust.
That is nonsense, you should educate yourself on luddites. They wanted to work on these machines, it's just the owner was trying to kick them out because they wanted to be paid at least like they were before. By destroying machines they destroyed property, not propagated some nonsense idealism. They fought the owner, not the tech.

>>6897872
>did the artist in your example use a diffusion model? yes
>did the diffusion model have a preexisting dataset that it was train on before being "fine tuned" with 100 additional sketches? yes
>did the developer of the diffusion model train it using licensed intellectual property from consenting artists? no

Adding your own drawing into a pool of drawings that were already stolen doesn't make them less stolen. Continue to feign ignorance and argue in bad faith.

>3d printers exist
>people still love seeing people sculpt by hand
Wtf techsissies, I thought we were rendering them obsolete?!

>>6897879
By "productive" anon probably meant producing more for equal or less effort. Which will translate to more spam on the internet. Less work appreciated by society due to the sheer volume of it, as if it wasn't a lot already. And now the value will also drop into the dirt because of of supply and demand. But hey. At least your drunk neighbor Bob can now generate his own anime titties of choice at home.

Seeing yet another AI thread get this amount of replies and posters makes me sad

>>6897886
You don't seem to understand how this works, or rather are willfully ignorant. You don't even understand what "sketches" do in this scheme. ALL of the resulting style is sourced from the artist in this. Not 0.0001% as you imply by "100 additional pictures". Not 90%. Not even 99.999%. But exactly 100%. That's how style transfer works. The model might have been trained on photos or whatever else, it doesn't really matter, because NONE of the features of the dataset contribute to the result.

You also didn't answer the second part.

>>6897659
shit. /g/ used to be a relatively not-shit board

jannies need to ban AI shit on this board already. I can't hide and filter them fast enough

>>6897896
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did.

>>6897902
>yes, virtual boken in my smartphone is theft
Do I understand your answer properly? If so, you're retarded.

AI is theft. Simple as. Now fuck off.

Make a model that is trained exclusively on your own work and I'll allow it. Good luck making the number of images required you no-draw cucks.

ai discussions really remind me of this image

>>6897841
yeah, it's not like it's all new, it happens every time new tech emerges
camera, digital painting, 3D CGI, sound in movies, and of course even recording tech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942%E2%80%931944_musicians%27_strike

>>6897896
>NONE of the features of the dataset contribute to the result.
You can't be serious. If that's the case why use a pretrained model? Just train it soley on your work from scratch. Then there is no qualms.

mods delete and ban tripfag and his army of samefaggots

>you will accept ai
>ok still not art
>ai will replace you
>ok still not art
>why are you seething you are seething you will never be able to produce such art
>ok still not art
>omg stop seething look at how mad they are they are literally seething look
>ok still not art
>omg you fucking seething luddites kill yourselves you are so coping and seething
>ok still not art
>OMG WHY ARE YOU SO RETARDED AND LOW IQ YOU ARE SEETHING AND MAD AND COPING
>ai isn't art you are not an artist fuck off retard
>OMG I FUCKING KNEW IT LOOK AT HOW MUCH THEY'RE SEETHING DRAWSLAVES BTFO
damn, hamas really mindbroke dem jewish niggas