/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6897118

first for loomis is a hack

values suck but critiques on colour/rendering?

Quite happy with this guy so far. A bit scared to start shading or darkening the linework. Anything I ought to fix first?

>>6897156
>MataraKan.jpg
Values are kinda more important as they are the building blocks that your rendering/colors sit on, here are some changes I would make, they're subtle but your color choices and rendering are already pretty great.

>>6897212
overall pretty good, I think the mouth might be a bit tilted if that makes sense but it'sjust a sketch and not the final so you'll get a better sense the more you render it

Why do the legs look messed up?

>>6897339

Oh you might have missed this one
>>6893847

>>6897120
Clean & cute

even my cunt cat is crabbing me, i hate my life

>>6897348
not sure if I got the eyes right for the side profile but tried to stay on model for what you were going for, feel free to adjust accordingly

I feel I'm contour-fagging in my gestures, but it works? opinions?

Pawell's monk is better than anything on the right.

>>6897450
One of those pictures isn't by an anon, it's by a Japanese Twitter artist who happened to have their stuff posted in the last thread. Oops!

>>6897450
i can prompt 10 monks like these

>>6897118
>hetero vs homo
kek, also I'm honored and humbled
>>6897156
Kinda like anon said >>6897224
you can't have color/rendering with values, if your values suck, then your colors and rendering suck imo. I think your style is begging for harder edges and more defined shadow shapes, but I'm not sure what you're aiming for. Keep it up

I am done with the section on heads finally. I feel like I actually can constructing heads than before it so I'm not sure if I really agree with Finch's recommendation to skip it.

>>6897498
without* values

>>6897537
See, this is why you faggots need to drop the boxes and work on appeal.

>>6897543
>>6897537
this has absolutely no fundies anon nice meme

>>6897543
>>6897546

Don't get it

Studies while trying to figure out the best way to paint digitally that works for me.

>>6897639
hard round brush, right?

>>6897644
Yes :D

I haven’t drawn yet this month and I won’t be starting now.

>>6897648
gmi

Copying Bridgman and this pose has me stumped. It’s one of the tiny ones in the book, and more of a gesture drawing. There just seems to be numerous things that are off about what I did, that I can’t really consult the gesture for. Any help? Show me where I’m fucking up? Also where do the tits go when it’s curving like this past the hips?

>>6897654
Mb, pic should be oriented properly in this one

>>6897639
hey anon, what has helped you improve or learn brushwork? I've been getting with digital, but I still feel like I'm always fighting against my brushes

>>6897657
Crop it after rotating and it'll stay in place. What page number? I wanna look at the original sketch.

>>6897681
Page 17 of 5th edition in “Wedging, passing, and locking”

Draw this figure.

No

>>6897118
Literallg every thread drawing in the op is in the high beg-low int range.

>>6897118
man, I just feel lost all the time trying to figure shit out. here's this thing I did, I guess

is Keys to Drawing a good resource for a beginner to learn fundamentals?

What is even happening

>>6897704
I would put the monk higher than low int.

>>6897709
it's the best book for beginners

>>6897694
It’s sloppy but I gave it a shot

>>6897704
They're all /beg/ except for the pawellmonk.

>>6897724
>>6897713
is this guy falseflagging as pawell sucking his own dick to make people dislike him more?

>>6897654
>>6897657
point by point, line by line. At some point, if your reference is difficult, you'll just have to copy it methodically. Copy it again and again, until you understand it well enough to have enough brain bandwidth to impose gesture and structure on top

>>6897729
why can't you accept that some people just like his work?

>>6897732

There is consistently one particular faggot in here who is a no draw that only talks shit and has no helpful input. Ignore his autism.

>>6897691
Here's my go at it. I don't think you're really at a point where you ought to be making Bridgman's drawings your own, especially one with so little to go off of. Though you can see where I'm at so take that with however many grains of salt you feel is appropriate.

>>6897712
Was deleted and got a warning for requesting free work. Load of bullshit.

>>6897744
I'm always down for a prompt. I wonder if you posted your own drawing too would help?

>>6897746
At work but will try to draw something with the recycled paper and pencils I have around here.

>>6897729
Me personally? No.

>>6897747
there's always dtiys threads so it should be okay to post a ref for people to use. not sure what the fuck happened

>>6897694
alright but I still have to fill the entire canvas

>>6897677
I don't really know, I just started. I've mostly been using hard round and changing opacity and the soft brush occasionally.

Just draw a melty saw on the shoulder, sure.

>draw a few clouds for 30-40 minutes on paper
>feel like my eyes are going to fall out of my sockets and my arm hurts
next day
>draw some skulls and bricks for 30 minutes
>feel exhausted again
Does this happen because i draw right before i go to bed? im not even tired before i start drawing but i quickly feel like a corpse

Anime hair

>>6897845
Anon how physically weak are you that drawing is tolling on you? However as for eyes go you ought to focus on different distances with your eyes to help with strain. Look outside, walk around the block, etc.

Why does the /beg/ janny delete posts here instead of the 5 ai threads on the board?
>>6897118
I don't think the Miku in the image was drawn by a person here desu

>>6897898
Well, i ride my bike almost every day and sometimes multiple times, i don't do much exercise beyond that, eat fairly healthy and get sunlight
As for the eyestrain i'll try changing distances

>>6897905
It's insanely annoying. The jannies must be AI-cucks it's fucking obvious

What do you think anons? I tried practicing the metallic sheen. Any tips for improvement are welcome.

>>6897934
>128x128

>>6897947
Pray for my cousin he doesn't know how to zoom images in

>>6897934
>>6897952
You posted an image for ants, Anon. Draw a bigger image, on a bigger canvas. The resolution is too damn low.

>>6897956
Pray for my cousin he hasn't heard about pixel art

daily practice completed

misplaced vagina :<

>>6897964
nice anon. are you trying to save time/space by avoiding hands and feet?

>>6897975
I'm still in the stage of grinding them separately. I still can't do hands without reference

>>6897974
terminal incel does that to you

>>6897983
if only there was always reference on hand

Here is my below dogshit attempt. Ass looks very manly and misshapen and everything looks gross. I also can't draw faces to save my fucking life.

>>6898008
Here is the reference before I am accused of requesting free shit. Again.

If anything, I just want to be told how I managed to fuck up so bad.

>>6897768
CULO
>>6897718
Bridgman would be proud.

>>6897983
You are such a goddamn good artist, don’t you ever let this faggot ass board being you down.

>>6898027
thanks friend I really appreciate it
I'm used to it, the next step will be to say I'm samefagging

wip 3d model of bammes pelvis, I think it would be useful if I add a visual queue for the iliac crest and sacrum but man drawing in 3d is just awful, open to ideas.

>>6898072
based

>>6897224
>>6897498
Thank you anons. I was so focused on getting the colours right I didn't notice that the values sucked until afterwards. I did notice the lack of hard edges but I couldn't figure out where to add them, will definitely work on it

>>6898010
>>6898008
it's easier if you establish the general proportion and position first

>>6898010
nice

>>6897964
Do you ever draw men

>>6898176
that's homosexual

>>6898182
homo >>>>>> actual dogshit > coomer

>>6898008
Like the other anon said - establish proportions and angles first. Gesture drawing will teach you to get that down fast.

Housekeeping: I know shit about anatomy, but I like looking for cool shapes and simplifying/designing stuff.
That being said: red lines on your drawing show the nice looking curves from the ref you could have exaggerated. Instead, you did the opposite and toned them down, making the figure look boring. General proportions can be compared by overlapping images so I wont bother criticizing. Head is an egg.
Red lines on the ref show the kind of stuff I put on my top priority list while drawing from reference.
My attempt at the right.

Try again anon. Ugly creations can be discouraging, but the probability to get it better the next time is too big not to do it. I had to draw the girl 4 times before I liked what I saw.

>>6897118
I don't know who is butting all this work into making these OP's but some are pretty funny
>>6897983
>>6897964
I feel like i know who your role model is kek

>>6898195

>>6898176
sorry bro
peepee machine broken

More shading practice. A few more of these bad boys and I'll have unlocked the ability to draw anime coom.

>>6898209
push your values

Power reference copy.

How do i construct the torso before drawing it properly?

>>6898252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2V5Fdlit18

Tonights sketch

>>6898189
coomer > actual dogshit >>>>>> homo
ftfy

Day 6 of learning the basics n whatnot. Same stuff, values and sketching prac. Trying to not focus on those complex contours. Decided to get out my comfort zone with Glass still life and sketching from a line art person draw. Kinda botched both, but it was fun. I should also use straights more when I'm having trouble with those curves.

Does anyone have any opinions on marc brunet art school. I've been trying Fun with a pencil and draw a box and they have been nice, a more structured approach with vids I feel might help me.

>>6898363
Looking at the pic again, I need to do waaay more straight line warm ups. That bottle and glass are really crooked. Accuracy was kind bad too. Also jesus christ I typed like an esl in this post kek

>>6898350

hello begmates

>>6898379
terrible redline, anon. You should actually just do a good drawing if you want to correct someone's work. It will prove your point better

first skull study

>>6898408

not much to show today, used refs from people i know and it'd feel weird posting them here. but i did this which i'm pretty happy with in about an hour

>>6898412
darker!
>>6898209
darker!!
>>6898350
use a less line-y brush or commit to the crosshatching with sharper lines, right now this looks kinda blurry and it's killing the forms pretty bad, especially around the stomach. the cleaner areas [raised leg knee and underarm] look good
>>6897934
anons will tell you to draw in higher resolution so we can give better feedback on details, if things simplified wrong to fit this res it'll just "look bad" rather than being something specific or workable. pretty sure there shouldn't be a reflective highlight under the thigh closest to us, definitely draw something higher res and come back though
>>6897705
lots of this looks symbol-drawn, stick to one species and try drawing from reference to start. i like this layout though, maybe choose 2-3 refs, copy and learn from them and then lay them out like this and redraw the lighting to fit?
>>6897409
vilppu vilppu, focus on getting the flow through the body. ex top-middle, the longest line would be down the spine, through the bottom of the thigh, round the top of the knee and down the shin. we have the thigh flow but we're missing the knee-shin and back-neck flow. keep practicing, figures are a bitch to learn

>>6898350
really nice work anon, the expression is nice too.

>>6898408
>>6898417
oh I just scrolled down and realized someone else already redlined and LOL gotem

I decided to get into drawing.
I've been inspired by making maps and scenery. Here's my first drawing.

Being mogged fucking hurts, bros..

>>6898491
Not if you're the one mogging yourself bwo

>>6898010

>>6898008
it's not so bad op, keep trying

also here's a great resource for drawing heads, it helped me out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>6898491
What happpened baby

>>6898503
Also this video is great as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwC-4TEde_4

>>6898505
Ive been working on a comic all week.
Some dude just came in and dropped one in like 4 hours and it looks way better than mine.
Made me delete mine.
Feels like a kick in the stomach.

>>6898515
Deserved ngl, now take your lumps and get back to the drawing board

>>6898518
I think Im done for today

>>6898520
All right, good night babes.

>>6898496
Give me your skills

>>6898153
Give me your skills

>>6898416
Give me your skills

How much is it still "my art" if I copy the composition on top of an image and do the rest on my own?

>>6898507
>>6898574
>>6898537
>>6898580
I gotchu covered, take a drink of this

>>6898613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbaKze622Kg

>>6898593
People might notice and call you a copier

Forearms are a Lovecraftian nightmare
>>6898400
Hello
>>6898363
Breddy gud, keep going!
>>6898282
This looks decent, I’d say you should work on line confidence/cleanliness. The lines in her hair are much nicer than the lines in her thighs for example.
>>6898235
Hard to give much detailed feedback without seeing the reference to compare. But I can tell who this is and what she’s doing, so, good job.
>>6898196
Clean enough to eat off of. Nice.
>>6897964
>>6897983
>>6897768
I like seeing your studies and exercises, it’s neat to see the techniques you use. It’s useful. You’ll get the hands down in no time, I can feel it. I feel it deep in my plums. You might get there faster if you do a gestural shorthand version of hands and feet for all your practice poses, just to further get the shape internalized. I found that I started to suck less at visualizing head shapes in perspective when I began to add them to every gesture drawing. Still can’t into faces lol.
>>6897882
I like the rightmost head in the second row, with the pink hair, and also the second from left in the bottom row with the golden everything. Plus the line drawing dead center, and the black haired girl in the bottom right. They all have more volume and dimension to them than the others.
>>6897817
Haven’t seen that one yet. Bridgman?
>>6897705
Pretty ambitious. You’re definitely gonna make it. In addition to what the other anon said, I’d construct one animal out of basic volumes, and then position that animal head around the light in different angles. That would probably be more useful for you to do than trying to draw a bunch of different ones. Maybe even start out by rotating simple primitive forms around the light source, like wedges and boxes. Keep it up!
>>6897507
Interesting. I was gonna skip the heads when I get back around to Bridgman. How have your heads/portraits improved?
>>6897409
Not bad at all desu. A bit lacking in rhythm tho; try adding Vilppu or Gnass or Hampton gestures.

never draw in my life
is this a good starter

forgot pic

>>6898652
>>6898653
pyw
if you have no work, then the answer is no go read keys to drawing

made some changes

>>6898664
very nice
>tfw no more panty peek

>>6898666
Pantsu version. Also made a neked version for myself. I decided that it would be kinda weird to keep her brother there watching her be a slut, so i removed the removed the little guy for his own sake.

>>6898669
You should have just stripped the boy too.

Another beach day

>>6898010
I need more Loomis and an anti shaky hand pill

Did a few sketches
Any feedback frens?

Here is another pose.
Let me pose my mediocre attempt.

>>6898707
Here is my very mediocre attempt. Honestly, I don't have any goddamn idea how I manage to fuck up so bad. It looks very different to everyone else's attempts and not in a good way.

>>6898127
>>6898194
>>6898503
>>6898507
Thanks anons. I have no hopes of getting better but I will read your tips and try the same pose again.

>>6898153
>>6898496
>>6898700
Jealous.

digibros, for shoes or anything that has strings, do you actually draw the lace or do you just a increase the size of your brush and draw black lines?

>>6898653
Just grab some paper and a pencil and fuck around for a while. Try to copy things you find cool. See if you actually have a passion before you start buying shit, and there's nothing these courses can tell you that you can't learn for free. Maybe if there's live mentoring and critique sessions it's worth actually putting money into.

>>6898714
Learn about action lines and gesture, it's very stiff. Maybe look up how to draw a figure using the bean shape, this ref is perfect for it imo

Please tell me what I'm doing right/wrong with the proportions and orientation

>>6898730
you are countour drawing and need fundies, look at loomis or your construction book of choice

What I did today, besides random practice. The snail took me not much time at all, but I had to break the boot down into over the course of several hours, definitely the most difficult thing I’ve done so far, but I think I did okay.

>>6897118
First time ever doing digital art. Used Krita.
It looks bad, very much so, but could have looked worse. I am content with it as a first try.
Reference pic https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.uCm8ERH7x3w68UIVxnzPBQHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=5269b51336da963d188fcf98b610e96af479228461929fad332f80b331ecef8a&ipo=images

>>6898764
I assume you drew this with mouse too?

>>6898774
yup

time
to draw

What do you guys like doing when you aren’t drawing but still want to engage with art or animation?

when im not drawing and i want to engage with art or animation, then i draw

is there anywhere you can browse/download game and/or anime art books?

pirate bay

painting hands are so hard man

>>6898783
watch it and think about it while watching it. don’t multitask watching unless you’re drawing too.

huh that is kinda turning out easier than i thought

>>6898669
Make the nude version the lil guy whacking it while watching.

>>6898618
>Haven’t seen that one yet. Bridgman?
Yes.
>How have your heads / portraits improved?
I feel like I understand the forms of the face better, and can construct heads. Left is the first Bridgman head and right is the last head I did before Bridgman, a bit over a year ago. I really still am yet to apply any of Bridgman to other work though.

>>6898730
Would recommend 1-5 minute practices of drawing 100 or so random figures to get a feel for the human body shapes and proportions

>>6898839
huh it kinda turned out like shit
not so easy after all

>>6898707
Here's my attempt at this one
>>6898714
keep it up, you'll get better

hey bros. is worth it to enroll to online art courses for the critique/mentorship? or self paced/study is ok?

>>6897934
metal isn't usually green, try studying Hajime Sorayama

>>6898918
If the course's instructor/mentor has a style or skill that you want to master then yes. If you're looking for an industry job in which having a certification given to you by the end of the course would help then yes

If it's a hobby then Nope just learn on your own at your own pace unless you have extra time and money. Also depends on the kind of person you are, if you lack discipline/drive a course could give you the structure you need as not everyone knows where to look and is curious enough to experiment and learn on their own without a guideline

>>6898855
Big improvement! Good job, Anon!

>>6898865
actually looking at it again its not even that shit

>draw 3/4 view, side view, 3/4 back view
>looks ok
>draw front facing view
>lopsided disproportionate unholy abomination
Why

>>6898989
post
your
work

I'm the Burne Hogarth study guy whose posted in previous threads. I've decided to take a break from drawing for the weekend, just to relax and do other stuff, though a part of me is always worried if I stop even for one day I'll lose a lot of progress or something.

Though I have read taking breaks for a short period of time can be beneficial, though I am not sure how true this is. Is it okay to actually take breaks occasionally as long as they aren't for too long?

>>6898989
Because you're forced to make symmetry in front facing views.

>>6898999
>if I stop even for one day I'll lose a lot of progress or something.
You won't. Stop worrying so much.

>>6898997
Nah I’ll post after I practice more.

>>6899000
Every day the gap between my skill level and getting good grows even wider. Oh well

>>6899000
human faces aren't symmetrical

>>6899013
nope, but if features get simplified at all the brain stops auto correcting it and it looks like shit

>>6899013
absolutely irrelevant

>>6899023
very relevant, drawing one side of the face and thern mirroring the other won't make the face look better, it will make it look worse

Hello beg, dont forget to take your pills or you will end up possessed by mania!

>>6898918
some people perform better when there is deadline / a dude who will yell at them if they do bad job. there is also chance that once you will hear harsh crit from dude with actual authority you will break and never draw again. So it all depends on what type of anon are you
>>6898821
painting anything is hard. drawing too
>>6898758
thumbs up for the shoe
>>6898676
booba
>>6898669
did you zoom in and draw that lingerie edges or is there a brush for that?
>>6898653
meds map is one of the better ones and kinda famous. the downside is that its still video format so you will waste a lot of time watching video full of UHMMMMM and WHERE WAS I? instead of simply reading a book
>>6898593
no rules, only tools and fools in art
>>6898496
>airbrush with noise is the secret of making it
i kneel
>>6898400
BOOOBA
>>6898350
>no booba
anon what are you doing?
>>6897964
BOOBA
>>6897709
yes
>>6897537
cute shota but its utterly flat
>>6897450
maybe if i learned how to add color. but still i bet colorful anime girl with tits will gain WAY more likes on any social media over rough dude holding stick. But without color nobody will give a shit about it.
>>6898999
you know the rules: draw or die. not drawing is very dangerous anon!

>>6899013
Your features should still be close. Obviously you don't need perfect symmetry nor do people have it, but certain things like eyeball size will look very off if not close to the same size. Other views of the face prevent this either by having the face obscured or by perspective making it feel natural.

>>6899030
pawell i like you now that you stopped posting the loomis heads

>>6899009
Same anon. I suppose the more things you learn you are just more aware of what seperates you from who you admire.

>>6899030
I have never had a pill to take. However, out of curiosity, why do you post in /beg/? I appreciate somebody better to give advice and critique, but what do you gain from posting your work here?

>>6899030
What's the advantage of drawing over brown / beige? It's the first time I've seen somebody do it digitally but I've seen plenty of sketchbooks that are brown.

>>6899042
This is beg AND int dummy. But I have no idea why they are combined. Maybe because nobody wants to label themselves int? Can anyone explain

>>6899046
because before they were combined it was constant shitflinging about who's /int/ and who's not

>>6899049
Thread name should be called /int/ & /beg/ so nobody gets confused.

>>6899030
It's morbin time

>>6899053
the fuck's the difference
also pawell isn't int

>>6899058
Above or below?

>>6899058
The difference is people will forced to read ”int” before their attention span short circuits and won’t think it’s the beg only thread.

>>6899067
Int is such a nebulous principle I don't care to describe people as it.

I really like how the expression turned out on this one, but I'm really not satisfied with the hair. hands are awful but that's what I'm gonna grind next

>>6897120
>>6897639
>>6897677
>>6897768
>>6897983
>>6898496
>>6898676
>>6898758
>>6899030
Int. Rest beg.

>>6899087
lol

>>6899087
You're obviously missing a few posts. Why are you skipping people?

>>6899042
>why do you post in /beg/?
You have not seen his actual no-reference drawings. Not hating though, he's one of the few that bothers to reply and give (you)s to most people.

>>6899045
For shading your blank page is already at a light shadow so instead of shading an entire white page except for a few highlights you only shade in the shadows and then come in with a white pencil for the highlights

>>6899098
I didn't link begs because it went over line limit, just ints.

>>6899147
You're missing several people who are clearly /int/ and you included people who were clearly /beg/. Why?

I think we ALL ints

>>6899114
Why is this board so hung up on drawing without references as a hallmark of being “good”? As long as you aren’t straight up copying the colors and composition 1:1, I don’t see the issue.

>>6899174
Robert Beverly Hale said in his book on the old masters that most of them could draw just as well from imagination as they could from reference. It's not inaccurate to say that if one can't draw a subject reasonably well (not perfectly, mind you) from imagination, one hasn't really mastered it.

Was kind of satisfied with this until I did the side-by-side. I thought I had the chest forward enough, but it's not even close.

>>6899173
shiieet

>>6899187
easily mogs pawell.

>>6899182
This is the /beg/ and /int/ thread not the classically trained masters who have never been tainted by the internet thread

>>6899192
Re-read my post. You mentioned being "good". I gave you the relevant opinion of someone with more art knowledge in your pinky finger than you've accumulated in your whole lifetime. You're right in that imagination drawing isn't everything, but you should understand why a board whose members' interests skew towards comics/animation/illustration are interested in imagination drawing.

>>6899174
>Why is this board so hung up on drawing without references as a hallmark of being “good”?
Because shit like this can happen if you rely too much on reference.

>>6899166
Who do you think is int that I haven't added?

>>6899200
Assuming the artist who referenced the original isn't doing it for profit, the og can eat a dick.

>>6899174
because it slows you down and limits what you can draw to a level where you can't realistically pump out work expected at the professional level

>>6899200
God those legs, are they even connected to her body?

>>6899200
>noooo don't use my publicly uploaded art for reference you can't do thaaat

>>6899200

>>6899194
Studios with regular publications / air dates are going to use reference at least as extensively as we are. Hell, in animation it's not uncommon practice to just trace cityscapes for efficiency. I think a large portion of this board is interested in 'making it' by working in comics / animation / illustration.

>>6899200
I’d consider that a 1:1 copy, for references I meant stuff like real people posing.

>>6899194
I mean can’t they still be good? I have several non western friends who work in (non-indie) games as 3d modelers and 2d artists. They both draw quite well but even better with reference, and the 2d artist frequently uses 3d models in her professional work... And if you’re so knowledgeable why are you trying to punch down in the /beg/ and /int/ thread?

Could I get some general feedback on picrel? This is my baseline before I dive super fucking deep into figure drawing/construction/anatomy studies. I have my own notes, but would like to hear from others more experienced.

then a general question:
If my end goal in art is to do characters, animals/creatures, and fantasy races (think D&D or MtG), would it be better to focus on human figure drawing first and then come back to animals once I have a good understanding of everything else?

>>6898434
>>6898618
thank you for the feedback. both of your suggestions make more sense, as I thought going for variety would be best. I might just do the same thing but with human body parts for studies.

>>6897118
>>6899239

oops, forgot pic

>>6899240
I think you're almost oversimplifying the hand. There should be a pretty strong curve to where the fingers leave the palm. Beyond that I think there are a few other accuracy things. The stomach bulge on the reference is much more pronounced, and her ribcage is slightly protruding and creating tension below her breast. Her left hand also ought be on outside and slightly underneath her but. Looks like the upper arm is too short. Overall pretty good anon.

>>6899240
cute chick, source?

>>6899240
MFW she slips her pinky finger in my butt unexpectedly

>>6899259
Thanks for the feedback. You're right on every point, and yeah, my hands are pretty bad. As for the butt/hand overlap, I was so focused on trying to do the hands that I forgot it was supposed to be behind/on the side of the butt cheek, ha.

>>6899269
idk who she is, but this was a random picture I got off the quickposes website. you can find several reference images of her if you cycle through them enough

>>6899273
also mfw you're not wrong

>wrist is starting to hurt
Uhhhhh. I'm 24, my the surface I draw on is just below elbow level sitting, and I do keep drawing from my shoulder in mind. Any tips for this? I haven't been drawing a crazy amount, maybe 4.5 hours per day.

>>6899297
Are you holding your pencil close to the tip?

>>6899308
Yes. Move my grip further back then?

>>6899046
I'm not 100% sure, but I recall there were a few consistent issues that I think may have caused the merge:
1. There were a lot of overlapping questions in both threads due to low skill levels. Might as well keep them in one place since being actually good puts you on a whole different level than us.
2. A lot of people at our low skill level don't know when BEG ends and INT begins, so you had people from both sides joining both types of threads when they weren't "supposed to". Both sides were mad because "their" thread was being taken over by those who obviously didn't belong (too low or too high a skill level).
3. There were multiple BEG and INT threads going on at the same time, so a lot of folks were jumping around between them all, on top of not knowing where they really were supposed to be.
4. Arguments and frustration between posters was common, with folks disagreeing who was BEG and who was INT when people showed their work, missing the entire point of these threads.
>>6899087
>>6899098
Case in point
5. Putting BEGs and INTs into one thread means there's no "outside" group and we can all be shit together (some of us more than others). There's also no meaningful distinction between the two categories of artists in the grand scheme of things, as amazing artists and pros are easily identifiable among the trash (just check the catalogue).

>>6899297
do light exercise

>>6899314
Ive literally never head wrist pain ever in my life. Kim Jung Gi says not to hold close to the tip and he used to draw like 16 hours a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Pk8sQHHN0

>>6899297
Do you do any kind of load-bearing exercise?
I weightlift and box and I end up putting my hands through tons of abuse and I don't feel wrist pain from drawing even after fucking up my fingers punching or losing my grip with big weights.
Mind you, I draw 1-2 hours a day tops.

day 96

so... does anyone know who this woman is >>6892361 (Cross-thread)? reverse image search only gives other 4chan results
I'm convinced studying other artists is the way forward but the problem is that I don't know what artists I should study, I can't name an artist who has the combination of backgrounds, colors, style and drawing that I want to emulate
I still don't know how to figure out colors, it's like black magic to me, literally trying to pull stuff from thin air and the meta seems to be that the colors look like shit for every artist until the very last few steps

>>6899240
biggest shapes first
another person got got by construction

>>6899297
it's psychological
carpal tunnel etc is psychological
i will not elaborate on this because it will just make me sound like a moron

>>6899030
bro it's literally my first result when i google "crying boy stock"

>>6899349
I have been a neet for the past couple months but for the past couple years I did sheet metal work, so I have decent grip strength. Guess I need to figure out a workout routine of some sort.

>>6899352
I dunno about you anon but there's a large number of artists I admire, just study and emulate the aspects of artists you admire and it should help you gain the tools to create what you want.

>>6898707
i gave up but i think i was on to something

>>6899357
there are but you can't just copy "aspects", like you cant just copy aspects of a buildings and not expect it to just collapse

>>6899361
Can I see your work? Surely you're qualified to speak against advice that's been echoed by many professionals.

>>6899364
>Can I see your work?
?? It's literally 5 posts up and I'm a regular poster for nearly 100 days now, can I see your work?

>>6899353
just do some push ups and pull ups and remember to keep your wrist locked as much as possible when you draw. and don't grip the pen too hard

>>6899352
>biggest shapes first
>another person got got by construction
I'm super beg and really don't understand. Would you please clarify what you mean exactly?

>>6899367
I've been browsing for years and the common sentiment I've gathered is that taking the best aspects from artists you admire is how most great artists mature.

>>6899364
I'd go a step further and say it's how knowledge works in general. People create ideas based on and expanding other's ideas that they've learned. Art is no different, you learn ideas and styles from artists you admire and find ways to apply them to your work.

>>6898618
They aren't. Feet are. Forearms make a heart shape on the inside where the bicep goes. On the outside the muscles follow the bone and they go/come from under the ones that make the heart shape. The one muscle on the top of the forearm also goes up between the bicep and triceps. From the outside on a straight arm it makes a lightning bolt. Think of braided hair. The best thing about anatomy is that you don't have to be able to draw it like an encyclopedia breakdown because it is usually going to be covered in skin. You look like you've either got it enough or will soon.

>>6899379
>>6899367
Draw what you're inspired by. Most people get it. Not doing that is like dancing to music you don't like. I don't understand the difficulty and the "aspects" overcomplication.

>>6897677

eh ill have to try this one again tomorrow

>>6897353

Dayum thanks mate :)

Made 3 more Bargue eyes. The second row. Tried to keep in mind anon's suggestion not to spend half an hour per eye. I'm not quite as accurate as with the 30 min eyes, but I would say it's a decent tradeoff between speed and accuracy

I would say all three are "passing grade", but the one on the right isn't quite as good as the two on the left. The eyebrow/skull line above the eye on that one is not quite right , and the space between the line and the eye ended up being a bit "fatter" than the original. I didn't redraw because I felt that I already spent more time than on the first one.

trying to follow huston’s head lesson. is it typical to start with a simple shape like an egg, then build something more boxy or complex and realistic over it? like you can set up proportions, positioning, and whatever in the first step without actually drawing much?

>>6899467
I like his oval + mask for profile but I do more planar in 3/4 into straight on.

>>6897118
Anybody have any guides on getting an artstyle that is both cool enough to be appealing but still has enough wiggle room to be rendered or painted to make it seem more impactful. I would be really appreciative.

>>6899474
Just bee yourself (;

>>6899475
I dont think this works. Unless "yourself" is very appealing by default. I would like guides (especially tutorials) on getting a cool artstyle.

>>6899480
In a more serious note, a sentiment I have heard echoed from a few pros I follow is that you ought to develop a style by studying the artists you admire.

>>6899379
>>6899381
Randomly copying aspects of art I liked just didn't work for me. Advice of people who have no stake in me succeeding is only as useful as far it takes me
As a side-note - what I'm saying happens to be exactly what a lot of artist actually did when starting out, copying their favorite comics line for line, copying their masters stroke by stroke
>>6899378
your proportions are out of whack because you tried to construct the drawing piece by piece instead of getting the biggest shape first and delving into details as you go. De-focus your eyes and see the whote picture first. This way, even if the proportions are wrong, they are wrong the way you wanted them to be, therefore it will look more appealing

>>6898350
very cute is this a study
otherwise I have some suggestions since in a standing split pose the pubic region is a focal point so I would emphasize some muscles such as the gracilis and gluteus

>>6899492
damn, that's so good. thanks for the feedback, it's really appreciated

>>6898350
blog?

>>6899514
none

>>6899492
>Advice of people who have no stake in me succeeding is only as useful as far it takes me
Redundant as this is all advice. Doesn't make it bad advice.
>randomly copying
It isn't random. Art is feel, dumb dumb. Better than "Let me pick an artist to draw like. Ok. Now I must do this for X amount. Ok. Now another."

You like the way someone does line weight or thatching or eyebrows you use that when you feel like it. Sitting down and copying something 1:1 sounds like such a chore I don't see why anyone would cling to that. Do it for a while, sure, but I dropped it as soon as I could. I was remembering things I learned by copying when I was a kid and mixing it with things I learned from studying other artists (eyeing mostly not 1:1) as soon as I could. I stopped 1:1'ing as a pup after maybe a few months, tops. Branch out, stop being scared of ruining it, it's just paper. Erase what doesn't work even if it looks good otherwise. You CAN always redraw it.

>>6899540
>Redundant as this is all advice.
Nope, if they have a stake in me succeeding, and they still tell me to do something even when it's not working, then I will trust them and try to push through it, but random people online have zero interest in me succeeding and don't lose anything when I waste time and effort.
I think for myself, when it's not working I don't do it anymore

>>6899492
>Randomly copying
Then there's a misunderstanding, the assumption was one would carefully study aspects from the masters or their favorites after plenty of deliberation. That way the building not only stays upright, but bears the mark of the artist's selective taste and knowledge of a rich artistic tradition. And you're right that a lot of artists start out by doing that. In fact, they'll do it well into their working careers.
>Art is feel
It's as much an intellectual endeavor as it is an appeal to the senses. Both the craft itself and the act of enjoying artwork require more methodical thinking and judgement than most people will admit nowadays.

>>6899570
Randomly as in taking the bits and pieces that suit you instead of breaking your comfort zone and forcing youself to figure out the things you don't get yet, by copying the entire piece begging to end

>>6899501
nice

>>6898704
P-please respond.

>>6899594
You're competent, but your shapes are wrong. I think you need to spend more time copying artists to get a good design sense. If you're studying clothes, just copy an arm or a leg at a time, and after drawing the same reference multiple times, draw it again from memory

>>6899594
proportions are whack and faces are unappealing. shadow shapes and linework are at odds. do some 2 or 3 value studies and do master copies of artwork you like

What is a good routine for learning anatomy/perspective? My brain can't comprehend 3d objects.

>>6899619
at least 90 minutes drawing figures at different angles, these can be separate body parts, use boxes and cylinders to make it easier

When does art start being fun to do like I hear people say it is? I wish I could skip to the part where I could get some good results instead of spending hours working on something that I know will look like shit. I only really get friday nights and Saturdays as free time.

>>6899619
>>6899624
This. Anatomy is best learned through figure drawing. Use Vilppu as your guide

>>6899627
it's a matter of psychology. kids have fun just scribbling a bunch of circles. I get wanting to make something cool you can show people, but you need to understand that it will take time, and how short that time will feel is down to you.

>>6899627
Well, from my experience the more you learn the more you understand things you wish you were better at. And also, I think relaxing your standards of free time would be helpful. 5-10 with a paper is enough to practice some fundies like perspective and gesture.

>>6899548
>I think for myself but I go on /ic/ to post mini blogs and whine but I don't really want advice or suggestions just attention.
Learn to fucking read. You said you didn't know an artist to copy who had everything you're looking for.
>try getting these from different artists it's called inspiration
And you went on a fucking advice giving tirade like this is a poetry slam at your vagina shop.

>>6899641
Let's see your work, friend.

>>6899641
i think you don't know how to use green-text or forgotten in your anger outburst. In fact, your entire post is pretty nonsensical and hard to read, maybe you used it correctly it's just hard to understand what are you even mad about
>And you went on a fucking advice giving tirade
I gave advice to one guy, lol, and that's only because he asked me to elaborate
Also I take like 90% of advice I get, you just have a weird hate boner for me

>>6899600
>>6899603
Cheers for the critique.

Tried inking over an old sketch because I want to begin learning how to. Used a faber castell brush pen and it felt like even the slightest pressure would give me too bold of lines. Any reccs for what to study for inking? Artists to study or books to read or videos to watch.

>>6899656
check out alphonso dunn

>>6899647
You posted about you didn't know what style to copy for everything. You were given suggestions contradictory to your desire to do things 1:1 like other people do then dismissed the "advice" as they are not your friends/family. I summed the convo up in greentext. You do know how greentext works, right? What about conversations?
>hate boner
Yeah, that must be it and not anything else mentioned. Anonymous doesn't ever get into discussion with Anonymous ever on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum. It must be about you again. I admit it does read like I'm losing it over here sorry about that I assumed you were being purposefully difficult and dismissive despite seeming to ask for advice and suggestions.

my anatomy and perspective is really shit. what are good routines to work on that? i often find myself not knowing what to do to practice.

>>6899656
I learn the most about inking by doing master copies. No amount of words can accurately describe the thought process behind good hatching. You only get it by copying art.

>>6899678
bro post your work

>>6899678
>you must take all my advice without question, without arguing even when you already tried it before and it didn't work
lel, keep being sane

>>6899679
>>6899624 is working for me
I also study anatomy books like Morpho and watch video courses like Wil Weston

I really suck at drawing at a mechanical level... like, really. What kind of exercise could help me to leave from toddler level?
Should I just look at references and draw until I'm ok? Or should I read loomis and do the faces because I'll improve anyway?

>>6899685
>already tried it before
There's more than one person on the internet, Sane-sama.
>without question
Never said that either I supplied anecdotal suggestion which was dismissed outright because I'm a person on the internet obviously taking the time to reply in a thread on the artwork/critique board. If you aren't open to suggestion then why post about it?

>>6899704
>Never said that either
but you bitch and moan that I argue instead of accepting all advice like a naive moron
>If you aren't open to suggestion then why post about it?
So I can't argue about the validity of advice after all, holy fuck kill yourself
>There's more than one person on the internet, Sane-sama
Literally what the fuck are you talking about

>>6899681
Any particular artists?

>>6899696
There is a bit of knowledge I found useful early in drawabox. I wouldn't really strictly adhere to the lessons though.

>>6898434
>>6898618
ty for the feedback!

Just messed around with this a little today. I'll finish something eventually...

>>6899708
>but you bitch and moan that I argue instead of accepting all advice like a naive moron
The argument wasn't ever about blindly accepting the advice. You never addressed the advice just that people were offering it.
>Can't argue validity
Then why the fuck are you asking on the internet about it?
>Literally
I greentexted it. You said tried it before. Point where I gave the same advice you tried before. And how the fuck is anyone supposed to know you tried it before unless you mention it preferably before getting pissy? And just to be clear: I never said
>randomly copying
No one did. It was exactly the opposite.
>what are you talking about
lol you asked for a suggestion and then blogged about "validity" of internet advice on 4chan.

Also, people that care about you shouldn't have more advice weight. They can be morons just like everyone else. And people that hate you can give you golden kernels. This is a fact your method is flawed.

>>6899741
Really jelly of your curves

>>6899746
you don't understand anything that's said to you

>>6899708
You're arguing with a chronic troll/baiter, give it a rest, friend.

>>6899352
I don’t wanna sound like a retard but on proko’s channel there are a few good vids on color.
Seek the Marco Bucci’s ones, greatest takeaway is rather than painting things we should paint the light source.
Basically you got the base colors and unless it’s an overcast day you will rarely see just that, sunlight has some inherent color in it and any artificial light has some kind of saturated color transferring over anything it touches.
Now this color, the light’s hue, PULLS whatever bass color it hits in its own direction.
If it’s orangish and you got a really saturated red, the red will move over the color circle to get closer in its hue to the light source’s orange hue.
Now the same goes for the shadow colors but in the opposite direction, keep in mind the color wheel.
Now rather than getting closer to the light source not only are going to lower the value but also move the hue AWAY from the light source’s orange hue(opposite orange we have blues and purples).
This likely means desaturating your color to colder greys.
The vid is pretty good on the topic, but color theory should be the stuff you learn all your life.
You got people like Goethe who weren’t even painters but were absolutely fascinated by the concept and spent decades trying to understand the phenomenon.
Also try exploring munsell’s color theory and the idea of color as a space, I had this useless art book on color from an obscure German painter, Otto Von Runge, and ended up finding gold mines on color theory in it.
Like the idea of the secondary colors being a continuum standing in between the primary hues, or the idea of grey being the axis of color with black and white lying on the top and the bottom.

>>6899763
erm…

>>6899763
He designed this idea of a color sphere and it really helped me make things click a bit, the hue, value and saturation sliders give you infinite possibilities but it’s easy to get lost in this mayhem.
Another resource is Crikai’s tutorials, you can find the stuff on e-hentai, it’s perfect for digital painting.

>>6899749
Damn you don't have to get personal about it.

>>6899762
>this anon is the anon always arguing with everyone despite today being his first post in months of lurking and is wrong in his argument
Get a load of this skilled reader.

>>6899772
You know, if the entire board says something there might be truth in it.
Wait, you are the landscape crab?
Ah sorry, just pretend I never wrote anything.
Keep doing your thing, Picasso-kun

>>6899776
>entire board says something
who says what?

God can you fuckers shut the hell up?

stfu and draw this

>>6899786
Is the anon who can't deal with processing others' advice or just moving on the same anon who posted to anime bug catcher and asked for crit? Gives the same stuck up vibe

How about you guys fucking draw instead

some figs and hans

>>6899790

Hi beg: christian symbols! Tomorrow i plan doing evil red variants.

>>6899696
just draw. it is mostly all muscle memory, nothing but mileage will solve it
>>6899679
pick up figure/perspective book and draw?
>>6899627
i get dopamine hit every time i finish something
>>6899474
all beg books said the same thing: a lot of newbie students worry about style but it is like worrying about your signature: you never trained it yet your signature is fairy unique. Improve your fundies, technique and composition and the style should get better automatically
>>6899444
just wait until you get to the latter parts, these are just few lines in comparison
>>6899382
very nice birb
>>6899352
>first result when i google "crying boy stock"
i had to go through like 100 photos before i picked that one. i am an art fraud
>what artists I should study
just combine the specialists. for example seascapes specialist was Ivan Aivazovsky, landscapes is Edgar Payne and for booba Frank Frazetta
>>6899297
when i noticed i was getting nerve damage (dull ache in hand while sleeping) to my wrist i bought pen gripper (rubber toy to help children learn how to hold pen)now i hold stylus correctly
>>6899240
i dont find your figure appealing. at all. the stiff shape, the ugly colors, the dehumanized face. you somehow managed to make ass and booba to not look erotic. oof
>>6899200
personally i hate being slave to the references. ofc having ref makes everything 100x easier and more convenient but i want to be free
>>6899078
ear too small, eyes too symmetrical (3/4 view = 1 eye must be foreshortened), hands are very weak
>>6899042
where else should i post? DAD thread is literally for pros, cute girl/boy/anime threads are for pedophiles and none of them consider fundies as important and making my own thread feels silly. Plus i am very beg
>what do you gain
(You)s and sometimes valuable crit
>>6899045
its for Project City of God, whole book has beige pages. Also it feels different to draw on textured background.

>>6899842
>Plus i am very beg
Alright dude, eat a dick

>>6899792
>Bugcatcher anon being stuck up
Nah bro, I posted my work, got feedback, and made my drawing better pretty quickly. I'm mad chilling, despite having to deal with that guy getting mad for me asking followup questions. I've
been on this board long enough to know that if you know what you're talking about, an anon can immediately give you a drawing to show you visually on what you don't understand. It used to be standard if that you were confused about something youd get a redline, and a good ol "moar Loomis boyo" or "work on X" and then you'd get some good gains. I already knew that guy was probably couldn't solve muh problems after talking so much without any visuals, so I kept asking questions until I got something useful. Nothing more, nothing less
Y'all need to stop assuming people's character based on random interactions on a 4chan board

>>6899790
Thanks for the inspo

… So like this? I tried watching his videos but I kept zoning out on his explanations of the skeleotns so i tried tracing shapes onto his sketches and redrawing them… don’t really like how it looks but should I just do this a lot and then move onto other parts?

>>6899897
was meant for >>6899629

Last attempt with dog. I felt that my observation improved a lot, but by tourette hands started to gave me a hard time the more I tried to replicate it while observing. Weirdly, I tried to sketch some things by imagination and my hands followed it a lot better. Is that normal?

I'll try go back to human body now, anyway.

>>6899790

>>6899908
Nice it’s a lot better than last ones

>>6899239
>>6899240
>feedback
Vilppu’s drawing manual and his renaissance figure drawing course will help you a lot. Do a lot of gesture drawings. Once you’re comfortable with the gesture process — not necessarily “good at it,” just not overwhelmed by it anymore — begin to practice some basic construction on top, being faithful to the shape and flow of the gesture. Don’t spend all the time and energy it takes to render and color a drawing until you can get something halfway decent with lines alone. Keep it up! You show great promise.

Yes, learn the human figure first. There is a lot of overlap between humans and animals, and the fundamentals of gesture, structure, anatomy, shape design, etc. all apply to animals and will transfer more easily. The other thing is that humans are so finely tuned to seeing human faces and bodies that even the slightest fuck up is a killer. With animals, we don’t have as sensitive a detector for imperfections, which ultimately means animals are easier to make look decent than humans are.

And if you’re making fantasy races, they’re almost all gonna be humanoid. Basically monsterfied humans. Harpies are basically a woman with bird feet and wings for arms. A centaur is a human torso jutting from a horse’s body. An orc is basically a big green human. Even if you go as nuts as the monster girl encyclopedia, you’re still using the humanoid pattern for most of it. So you better get good at human figures before you try making modified human figures.
>>6899381
I hear what you’re saying. Supination and pronation reallly fuck with my head though.
>feet
I don’t feel like they’re super complicated, but FUCK feet are weird. I;be always thought they were weird. Don’t like ‘em. Don’t wanna draw ‘em. I feel like I’m gonna need to intentionally develop a foot fetish somehow to motivate myself to study feet to the point where I’ll understand and draw them well.

Day 6 of learning the basics n whatnot. just more of the same old stuff, but with my sketches i tried to be more loose and focus on the "energy" of what i'm drawing, as proko said. animals are really fun to draw. Tomorrow I'll actually continue to course so I can learn some new stuff. I should also look at more videos on simple values. I still don't quite understand how to use them right.

>>6899937
woops, meant day 7.

daily pratice done
bed time

i'm gonna learn how to draw for 8-10 hours a day, for a year, wish me luck /beg/

Can I get some redlines and advice on these, please? Im trying to get persepctive and anatomy down better.

>>6899972
Don't do it anon! You'll burn out and hate dong art!
>>6899741
Nice sketch, I gotta try using a lighter transparent brush sometime.
>>6897964
how do you go so faaaast :V

>>6897768
>>6897964
what/who/how did you study to get so good at figure drawing? I've been having such a hard time understanding it and yours look amazing.

>>6900010
i'm gonna do it, i don't want to repeat the same mistake like what i did 8 years ago thinking that i'm ngmi

>Get a great idea for a pinup
>Its a girl on a bed wearing nothing but a sweater/jacket she is very shyly trying to pull to cover her naughty bits but also exposes her modest cleavage
>Can't find a proper reference
>Try to rawdog it from reference.
>It looks like complete and utter shit,

>>6900023
Spend every single day copying your favorite manga. NEVER skip a day. NEVER. Also, read Loomis

>>6900035
What if my favourite manga is roided out monsters having homoerotic fights?That wont help me draw anime girls.
Also thanks a lot, for your redline, mind if I use it as reference?
Jeeze how fucking pathetic, using a redline as reference.
>Loomis
I can't stand the stupid fucking cartoons and the "draw a million boxes to draw a mannequin"

>>6900037
I've never touched the fun with a pencil book. The rest of his books are God-tier imo. You could spend 10 years on the mannequin at the beginning of figure drawing for all it's worth and still keep learning and getting things out of it

For manga, or any artist, just pay attention to the art. I'm currently studying Obata's Platinum End, and the sweater in the redline came from a serial killer girl in that manga that I was literally just studying this morning. All the shapes came flying out of my pen automatically.

Also, feel free to build your drawing off my redline, I don't mind :) but looking at it again I feel like some parts are skewed

i wanted to draw some splatoon halloween fanart
but i think i've thrown myself in the deep end
oh god what am i doing
my brain is screaming
i was going to make a little comic thing with a few panels
and colour it

>>6899790
quick one

new thread

>>6900169
>>6900169
>>6900169
>>6900169

>>6900010
>>6900012
thanks bro, I like to use oval shapes and boxes for the torso parts, and cylinders for arms and legs,
I would recommend a video course like Will Weston's and anatomy books like Morpho and Anatomy for Sculptors
I also try to do at least 90 minutes of gestures/figures every day, even if they are copies of the book

>>6899790
I'm on seventh day of learning to draw

>>6900641

>>6899866
Impressive