/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6893889
I'm still curious as to what you feel this piece does better

>Only thing that can get me to draw is coom.
>Legit can get lost drawing coom
>Have improved way more drawing coom than studying because trying to get a coom piece to my liking will sit me the fuck down for hours
>Coom gets me into more and more extreme shit
>Shit I can't post because it could get me killed in my islamic shithole Zoophilia, horses specifically
>Still draw coom because nothing is hotter than anime girls getting their insides rearranged with huge horsecocks.

>>6894808
Continue...

Well... that's a start I guess.

>>6894742
Fetish aside, comparing it to your Jessie (who I found gross to look at, fetish aside) and Star Wars girl, the pose is more readable, her proportions are better, colors nicer, and I like the guy’s expression. The construction on her arm is better too.

>>6894835
Cool anon. Now draw more!

>deviate from your sketch a little bit
>a butterfly effect of tangents appear everywhere

https://k04sk.gumroad.com/l/vmLSZ?layout=profile

>>6894842
Noted, although I assume by proportions you're talking subjectively. That's part of what I'm into. If you mean like forearm length versus upper arm length, I'm almost positive my proportions are worse on this latest piece, but I'll check it out!
Thanks for the crits either way. Why didn't you just type that out instead of waiting for me to ask twice?

>>6894835
Draw it again, and again, and again. You should draw every reference image a minimum 3 times, because the first time you copy it will NOT be perfect. It will also sink into your memory better.

>>6894835
you disregarded his lesson completely

Day 3 of my art journey
I got tired of drawing shape and decided to use a bad reference instead, I'm the happiest with my second to last attempt, but the angles on the V sign is too pronounced for me to do reliably with just straight line.

Has a krenzfag ever "made it" before?

>>6894932
krenz autists will never make it, if they chose a japanese artist to study they might have a chance

krenz is unironically the worst beg trap on this board, more than DAB

silly fella

Day 4 of learning the basics n whatnot. Some of the usual stuff i've been practicing with a sprinkle of imagination sketching. Proko wanted people to find some refs, sketch em, then sketch something from imagination with those ref sketches in mind. The imagination stuff are just doodles, but it was really fun to draw stuff that's not just fruit/veggies staying still; especially the gorillas. I love how blocky/chunky their body shape is, was fun to breakdown. Kinda gives me hope that'll i'll be able to break down actual people too in the future. Also got filtered by some stuff; like the glass still life. Had no clue how to tackle it when it came to values, so I just winged it. The shark also kind filtered me, i didn't know how to make it non-derp when I sketched from the ref, so I just went with it, with my imagination stuff. Also my straight lines were pretty crap today. Overall fun day.

>>6894951
>Day 4
>Already better than me

Seeing these "Day" posts have been nice. It's like I'm learning with other Begs.

>>6894951
What course have you been following?

>>6894956
The dude probably didn't only start drawing 4 days ago. I knew someone in college who had been drawing for 20 years (his whole life) and he finally "started" to sit down and began to study the fundamentals lol. You don't know what kind of crazy mileage some people already have

What grip do you use for sketching?

>>6894956
I doubt that man. My pic are just simple value thingies that Proko showed and random doodles.
>>6894963
Drawing Basics by Stan Prokopenko. Someone here recommended it and it's been good so far.
>>6894965
The regret of not drawing before has been setting in a bit, I can't lie. I always admired the art in the Manga I read, but was too busy playing w/e shit game or doing any other "low hanging fruit" as they say. If my friend didn't give me his old chinese drawing pad, I probably wouldn't have started.

>>6894973
having any kind of regret will just hold you back mang. just have fun

>>6894973
well if that's really your day 4, you're very talented.

Imagination drawing. Maybe I should stop using reference. I end up being just as unhappy in the end but it takes half as long.

>>6894987
That prisoner came out looking pretty fucking good.
>She is more legs than body
Perfect proportions.

>>6894966
Grip is placebo desu

>>6894990
how about gripping cock

>>6894989
Thank you. I was thinking of switching to drawing skinny legs, but now maybe not.

Another study

>>6895000
Is this the look you're going for? It look good in a way.

>>6895002
Thanks, I feel like I’m going for stylization too early though.

What is your guys daily routine? Do you start the day with any exercises or courses or do you simply draw whenever you want?

>>6895007
I jerk off.

>>6894990
Do you have a peer review study on that?

>>6895007
>Wake up
>Read a VN for 2 hours (I'm learning Japanese)
>Watch 3 Cure Dolly Grammar Videos
>Do Anki
>Eat Lunch
>Work out
>Watch Youtube
>Eat Dinner
>Watch Hulu
>Draw for a few minutes
>Go to bed

>>6895014
gmi

>>6895007
Work 9 hours
Play with the kids 2 hours
Goof around 1 hour
Draw 3 hours
Sleep 8 hours

random sketches

>>6895021
Any tips/what helped you draw hands like that? i really like how they look

how do you “study” another drawing? I’m still new but I’m not fully sure I understand. Is it simply trying to recreate their drawing using their techniques in an attempt to learn?

>>6895021
Really clean and nice. Now get the fuck out of /beg/

>>6895007
work for 10 hours
90 minutes of gestures/figures or until there is no more space on the canvas
watch around an hour of courses on my phone until I fall asleep
I try to make a finished piece on the weekends

>>6895026
I copy, then I redraw from memory. Use construction, of course. Redrawing the thing from memory is actually much more important than copying it. If I could accurately redraw something from memory without copying it, I would just do that all day, but I can't. Kim Jung Gi did that though. He said he would only draw what he saw, never what he was seeing. Redrawing something makes something stick in your head, because it's active recall. When you actively recall information, you can remember it for far longer, and you can use it when drawing from imagination.

Drawing is nothing but shapes, form, and the memory of the shapes and forms. To hell with "theory" it's all just memorization.

is it too late for me to start art seriously again at 26 and a half years old, if my ultimate goal is to become a professional at animation (doing stuff like inbetweens and illustration) and would animation school be a worthwhile investment, i come from a lower-middle to regular middle class family but don't want to waste all their money. I live relatively close to fullsail university. picrel is from years ago but almost all my art is very chicken-scratchy, and I've been told with my ADHD I might benefit from a structured school environment.

>>6895029
Kim Jung Gi drew from reference religiously in his college days

beg here
In between draw breaks and fundamental studies, what's some art related stuff I can do to wind down that isn't as mentally active?

>>6895035
lets say you draw right now for 10 years, you'll only be 36 man. Does that seem too late or too old to get into an animating job? lol

>>6895025
i just use reference. also if you r not satisfied with the result, redraw it again from the start. it'll be better, even if only slightly, than the first attempt

>>6895027
this is where i belong anon

>>6895037
And I never said to not do that

My intention is to make this character look towards the sky, do you think it looks good? Also, what color should I use for line art?

i'm starting to realize that shading and lighting is just what looks good. no specific way or anything

Man drawing is fucked up. I wanted to draw some cute chibis just to do some funny little comics so i started looking up resources, did a bunch of exercices, watched hours of youtube videos and now there's just a point where all i can do is draw the same thing 300 times while having the willpower of continuing even though it WILL look like shit until it doesn't. Props for eveyone who actually has the mind for this. At least i learned some neat tips for drawing basic things in my momentary voyage, but i think i'm the kind of person who needs a teacher or something.

>>6895071
your grave mistake

>>6895048

Pawell, have you ever tried trad? Just curious.

>>6895005
You just have to be honest with yourself. Does your painting look like the head was preserved in grain liqeur because its your style or because you couldnt get closer to the ref if you tried? Good color matching tho anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBY0u7_vKQ

Thoughts on this exercise? It seems nice in theory. I don't have a tablet though so that's a bit of a problem.

>>6894809
Extremely appreciated, thanks

Hey frens. Been a while. finished filling this page up though! I’ve been super busy rebuilding an engine every waking moment of the day for about a month, so I was wiped out and had no time for drawing.
And then went on a trip for a few weeks, but I was able to do a little studying. A little Morpho simple forms, some gesture/figure stuff, and working through Hampton’s figure course to then re-tackle Bridgman like that one anon with the absolutely bonkers before/after Bridgman progress pic.
>>6894796
Coom isn’t the only thing that gets me to draw, but… I understand.
>>6894808
Say sike right now
>>6894835
Cute
>>6894931
Hm. You might try using two straights to approximate the curve.
>>6894943
What did you personally dislike about the Karen’s course? I don’t have any personal experience with Krenz’s stuff, but did DAB to lesson 4 and found it useful overall.
>>6894946
The hand’s a little too big, but it’s pretty well drawn. You did a good job of depicting volume in such a simple drawing. Great use of overlaps and wrapping lines anon. GMI
>>6894951
Based and GMI. Keep going! And especially keep it up with the doodles from imagination. That’s something most of us don’t do enough of.
>>6894956
Yeah. He’s probably got lots of casual mileage, or he’s just got a natural affinity. No use being jelly. Guess we better get drawing :)
>>6894987
Do both. Use the imagination drawings to find weaknesses, then use study to remove them.
>>6894996
>skinny legs
If you mean slim and toned but still shapely, then fine. But skinny? That would take much skill to make appealing. You’d have to have them still well-shaped, but really gestural and with pleasing rhythms to look good. Tableguy does slender legs well imo.

>>6894987
Please draw what happens next

>>6895107
Actually, I think that the cheesecake Bridgman anon might have been copying some of the big Morpho book while doing Hampton’s course, and not the simple forms book. Hm. Maybe I’ll do a bit of both… maybe.

>>6895005
You probably are
>>6895000
You may want to do more drawing and accuracy and perspective and proportion work before spending a bunch of time painting. Good brush economy and colors, though!
>>6895018
Based and GMI
>>6895021
Nice!
>>6895027
This is /beg/ AND /int/
>>6895028
Inspiring. The artwork is good too. Especially the helicopter. I aim to git as gud as you some day.
>>6895029
Truth. I think understanding construction and perspective is technically theory though. Then if you want to render, you need to understand some things about that. But yeah, you’re basically dead on about redrawing/reconstructing from memory.
>>6895035
I’m not sure art school is a good investment for anything ever. Regardless of wanting to get any particular job. Check out Ethan Becker’s stuff on breaking into the art industry. Also maybe Marc Brunet.

>>6895109
A lot of this was done while riding in a car. That’s why it looks bad. No other reason…

Actually, I’ve been using a random smooth glass screen protector on my iPad and I’m wondering if the textured screen or rubberized nib or something would make it better for drawing. Any thoughts?

>>6895038
Do the line control exercises from Draw A Box and/or Dynamic Sketching. You could also just mindlessly copy art books or anatomy books or stuff like morpho.
>>6895048
SOVL
It looks like she’s looking up, or maybe floating. I’m not super sure what’s going on here. Try to look at art that’s doing what you’re trying to achieve, and use it as reference.
>>6895053
Uh… I disagree. The purpose of rendering is to convincingly depict form. I think that understanding soft and hard edges, core shadow, reflected light, ambient occlusion, modeling tone, etc. would all be pretty useful in making things look good. Composition using light and dark and contrast and stuff is basically just about making things look cool, though.
>>6895071
Yeah… drawing is hard.

>>6895038
Drawing ellipses, cylinders, circles, cubes, or just practicing lines in general is what I do.

I know what is wrong with this and how horribly it looks and that amount of "fixing" will improve it but can I get pointers especifically on the torso and lower body?
Couldnt find a reference so I had to wing most of it.
No, she isn't a nugget. Her arms are tied behind her back and she is supposed to be on her knees. Yes, I can't draw for shit.

>>6894255
I'll work on that next. I used a 0.3 for most all of the outline I think and then 0.05 for all the shading
>>6894951
What proko course are you taking?

>>6895115
And finally some gestures. I also drew more lewd things but I don’t want to shit up the thread too much.
>>6895089
I’m sure he has. Probably did a lot of trad doing KtD.
>>6895102
Seems like a perfectly reasonable exercise to me. There’s not really any reason you couldn’t do something similar with a pencil or ink, just put in shadow edges, block in values, or add hatching or textures or however you want to progress it. You don’t need to do anything involving a tablet. The steps you’d take and the process would be a little different, but the basic principle is the same. Watch Glen Vilppu or Karl Gnass or Steve Huston or Brent Eviston do longer gesture/figure drawings. They all start with the quick gesture, then build up in stages, adding layers of detail and depth in phases. Same exact idea.
>>6895117
Yeah, I’ll sometimes fill a page with circles just so I technically drew something for the day. Which is good, because circles are fucking hard. Then I’ll get into it and do more, usually. Sometimes drawing chains or organic forms, intersecting shapes… but those aren’t exactly mindless.
>>6895126
Rib cages are basically egg shaped, hers looks like it might be missing. Look at pictures of people sitting on their heels. I’m sure you can find some of Japanese people sitting like that, at least.

You’ll see that their butt is elevated off the floor by their thighs resting on theirs calves and their butt resting on their heels. A less formal pose, with the feet kind of splayed to the side rather than her sitting on her heels, will be harder. Try taking the pose yourself! That’s often helpful.

I missed you guys. I recognize some anons, and I’m impressed by and proud of your progress. Every one of you that has stuck with drawing while I’ve been MIA, EVERY ONE OF YOU has visibly improved. If you go back and look at your work from about a month ago, it’s a noticeable difference. Good job, frens. You’re gonna make it.

>>6895126
>>6895135
Also, fully bent knees are surprisingly tall and wide on the end. They make a big square or rectangle shape. It’s less like a hinge swinging shut and more like stacking the thighs on the calf and sticking a big end cap on it. Or like those really good action figures that have the elbow and knee joints that are double jointed/hinged like pic related.

Oh lol actually I think I know of a whole thread full of references for you >>>/s/21771227

>>6895145
>>6895135
Thanks a lot, anon.
Pic related seems especially useful. I will move her up and try to draw the lower body with this reference.

>>6895151
No problem :)

>>6895126

>>6895158
I kneel, redline-sama.

where can i find sketching as a hobby by guptill? it isnt on libgen

>>6895028
what book or lessons did you learn how to connect the arms and torso I'm having a lot of trouble with that especially with the muscle/joint and yours look good to me

>>6895028
I have become coom.

today i TRANSFORMED this poor man into the perfect visage of bruce willis. be warned, for the same fate may befall you too. trying some new brushes i also went outside to start the trad scenery exercise up next in KtD, but it looks like drawing night scenes with a hb pencil and printer paper won't cut it anymore.. what do anons like to use for wide values out and about?

>>6895035
realistically art jobs are based on your portfolio so there's no benefit to the title, and anything you'd learn you can probably teach yourself with enough commitment. if it's risking your actual livelihood it's definitely not worth it
>>6895021
>>6895028
>>6895109
lots of ints this thread, i like it
>>6895000
studying what, out of pure interest? constructing these from imagination?
>>6894951
cute sharks

total noob, drew something i thought was decent for the first time today
it ain't much but it's honest work

I haven't kissed a woman in 5 years (the one and only time)

>>6895000
pls learn to draw copies first

bugcatcher duo

>>6895191
Cute look, You seem like you'd enjoy Scott Pilgrim

>>6895048
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg try this vid

>>6894715
how am i supposed to practice observation? ive done 30 picture of the krenz accuracy images and im a bit better but I cant seem to get any better anymore

Fucked up a lot, but I tried

Here we go with another "hey guys check me out its my first time drawing!!" and they post something way more decent than a first (or fourth) timer could pull off.

>>6895306
niggas be talented frfr

>>6894808
Is this part of a larger context/story?

>>6894715
Are the proportions alright?
I have the feeling the arms might be too long

>>6895330
ayy lmao

>>6895219
no amount of blur or implied atmosphere is going to save that fucked up perspective. extend the ground and move the girl down

I'm having a really tough time drawing landscapes in my shitty blob style right now. I swear I used to be able to do way better ones...

>>6895258
me looking for my phone in the middle of the night

>>6895219
/beg/ renderfag. many such cases!

>>6895219
gmi, keep moving forward anon

does the brush you use matter?

>>6895381
yes

>>6895381
short answer no
long answer yes

>>6894808
I know better than not expecting some degen ntr shit.

>>6895381
Yes. Kolinsky sable for watercolor and hog bristle for oil. Then theres all the shapes like fan, flat, mop etc and it really depends on your usecase there. For watercolor get a size 14 and a size 4 round to start

>>6895219
Spaghettification legs

>>6895014
Based freeter

>>6895300
You really need gesture, anon. You care way too much about contour

>>6894891
>>6894920
I'll do more tonight. I got exhausted by spending 3 consecutive days without sleeping well and fell dead.
>>6894926
I'll disregard it halfway this time today!

>>6895383
>>6895384
>>6895387
i think youre right

Values are an incredible cheat code. Even if your line drawing is dogshit, you can have a decent-looking image

>>6895405
The combination of hard cel shadows and obvious gradients is very jarring. Also, the lamp on the left doesn't seem to illuminate anything, other than the heads of the two characters, so slightly that it disappears when you squint

>>6894943
Someone got filtered by both

>>6895353
That's because you are (apparently) being dumb dumb and using a big, ugly round shaped brush instead of the lasso tool. Even a brush with size variation/jitter would be better.

what's a krenzfag and why's it a begtrap

>>6895414
I mean that style is kind of intentional. I just find it hard to draw really nice horizons.

>>6895415
krnenz is some chinese dude who makes tutorials, begs think trying to learn in chinese vs their native language will somehow help them grow as an artist. his teaching methods will make you a slave to the reference and rob you of any ability to actually create something.

>>6895418
style is a choice, not a limitation. you need to be able to depict something more realisticly before claiming "its muh style"

how do i keep track of my "layers" when drawing with pencil on paper?

>>6895395
isn't gesture and contour lined somewhat?

>>6895424
>his teaching methods will make you a slave to the reference and rob you of any ability to actually create something.
Did you assume this because of the krenz accuracy beginner exercises? Because he also teaches perspective and construction, along with other things

>>6895415
Everything is a begtrap here.
I heard that Bridgeman was a begtrap around here, so whatever.

>>6895545
Huh? No

>>6895546
Some zoomer schizo is mad about krenz. He post his garbage takes in all threads. He was filtered by accuracy fundamentals for sure.

>>6895549
G-Guess I'm retarded, then

>>6895548
bridgeman is a beg trap actually

>>6895556
Bridgeman is pretty hard to follow desu. Even Watts said this. As I remember he recommended to study bridgeman with some giga bodybuilders

>>6895556
Morpho is the superior Bridgeman.

>>6895390
...So shorten her legs a bit and move the ground up?

>>6895556
I know Bridgman, who's Bridgeman?

>>6895591
can you not see that both figures are standing on the same plane at the same level

I just cleaned my house. Now I'm going to draw.

>>6895593
>Bridgeman Images are the world's leading specialists in licensing fine art, cultural and historical media for reproduction.

That one anon who was confused and copied the Bridgeman archives twice got more gains than anyone in history. some say the gains were too much and he went insane. could he be the pixel schizo? who knows ;)

God I want to rope.

>>6895623
reilly, faragasso

>>6895083
heh, I choose this one, it's what I was really trying to draw
>>6895053
3 hours? okay, I'll try

>>6895613
Okay, what if I just delete the guy in the back..I like how I drew the girl, but I had to kinda freestyle the kid. Any suggestions on how to fix hiim?

Any watercolorists here that want to give advice?

>>6895360
Why do people on this board think that only lines matter? You can be an excellent draftsman and suck at shading and coloring. You should give people credit for what they do well, while offering advice on where they fall short. It's like color/light are completely ignored despite being fundamentals

blackpill me on Hogarth

>>6895675
Reilly who is a common name, who?

>>6895704
I mean that's what people are currently telling that person. They have focused on rendering to an excessive degree while neglecting proportions / anatomy.

>>6895684
try deleting his feet

>>6895732
I like it, reminds me of a 90's illustration book for some forgotten VN.
But fit that jacket if it's supposed to be a woman.

>>6895733
Could I get a redline my guy? Clearly you have a problem with the drawing, so show me how to do it better. Talking generally how things are bad isn't exactly actionable advice

What do you all think in the rise of digital painting?
I recently learned it, but I decided to go back to line drawing to improve my draftsmanship and line skills. I see a lot of art that relies on colors, filters, and "rendering" to hide the poor solid drawing. It doesn't help that even the non-digital painters over-rely on stabilizers and brushes as a crutch.

>>6895768
How do you "rely on brushes as a crutch"? I'd like to try

>>6895733
That's not what they're saying at all. His colors look really nice, but no one said that

>>6895768
>non-digital painters over-rely on stabilizers
wat

>>6895767
It absolutely is actionable advice, you should practice the things you suck at, and I do think the drawing looks sickening. Here's the thing though, I am not a better teacher than the vast dirth of information by professionals out there. I think the thing that would help you the most is simplifying. Start from finding a canon of proportions you like, and constructing figures while paying attention to adhering to them. If you've spent any time on this general you've probably seen the shapes people like to construct out of, if not do some searching and try different ones out. Advice inspired by this video, be warned, it is a bit rambly:
https://youtu.be/dZyG9ESCORM

day 95
looks too soulless

>>6895732
beautiful
>>6895360
how do i become a /beg/ renderfag?

>>6895787
>https://youtu.be/dZyG9ESCORM
This series is S+ rank btw

>>6895791
And Marshall put in on YouTube for free because there was a pirated version going around with terrible audio and he didn't wanna have that. Guy's a legend

>>6895780
I personally intuit calling somebody a renderfag to mean they're focused on rendering. Yeah no shit the colors are nicer than other aspects of the painting, that's why they are being called a renderfag.

>>6895789
Is that supposed to be Morgan Drinks Coffee? If not the resemblance is uncanny.

>>6895785
Sorry for the word vomit. What I mean is "Digital Artists who don't digitally paint, rely on Line/Pen Stabilizers such as Smoothing, Correction, and Lazy Nezumi."

>>6895796
>Is that supposed to be Morgan Drinks Coffee?
supposed to be >>6892361
>the resemblance is uncanny
it's really not, you just happen to think about her a lot

>>6895789
Find drawings children make, specifically with pencil or sharpie or whatever, steal them, and grind rendering overtop of them.

>>6895775
They use "messy/textured" brushes to hide their shoddy linework.

>>6895800
>paint brushes don't exist in real life

I feel really lost at this point.

I was told I was just mindlessly copying a few weeks back, though my ability to draw has improved...though I currently lack the ability to properly construct bodies (I tried to construct limbs with Cylinders but the cylinders always felt wrong to me). I have a slightly better understanding of 3d space but I still keep wondering if I am symbol drawing or something.

The reason the feet look weird and unfinished is because I was just copying how it looked in the Burne Hogarth book, but I know I should have tried to "fill in the gaps" rather than copy the sketchy unfinished style he gave them.

I was told to do Vlippu and Burt Dodson so I will do that eventually, just I have no idea if I am doing the right thing or not now.

I did draw something from imagination though, without using references, which I'll post shortly.

How hard is it to translate physical drawing skills to digital? Can't afford a drawing tablet right now and using a mouse sounds like hell

>>6895813
I drew these the other day. In the bottom left you can see a sorta fat fish thing which I drew on a whim, what's interesting is NONE OF THIS USED REFERENCE, the eye shape was entirely just based on my memory how Whale eyes looked to me. The arm it had was also constructed without reference, and I basically just put Cylinders together.

The back fin though looks pretty crap, I couldn't really get it to have more form/depth.

>>6895824
Crap I forgot to post it. Here.

>>6895823
Drawing's in your head, but the hands will have to get used to very different tactile feedback. Sometimes I put a piece of smooth paper over my tablet, feels nicer

>>6895795
/beg/ renderfag is not a positive remark and gives no credit to the work that goes into rendering. Most people suck at it. But go off king

>>6895826
>>6895824
>>6895813
you're on the right track, you just need more time. that said, some of your boxes are pretty wonky

>>6895837
Yeah I know, I often mess up the lines so they never really look convincing, it's weird.

I'll do one more study for tonight and then do some simple non study stuff and then go to bed, but I still get a lot of anxiety that stops me from doing my own stuff from imagination/partially using reference.

study

>>6895796
Not even close

>>6895842
That's a particularly ugly boy

>>6894715
Can anyone give me a nude poses like this?
I want to see if the slit is supposed to be covered by the thigh

Was supposed to draw today but i'm too fucking tired, sorry.
I'm getting back to it first thing tomorrow , got the vilppu courses from an anon's mega.nz link at least

Can somebody help me break this down in simple shapes that look 3d? None of my efforts to reproduce it come out alright.

>>6895870
it's literally there?

>>6895861
You tryna see my nuts?

>>6895870
I think you're mostly there anon. Ass and thighs feel good. Arms could maybe use some work? A couple ideas that might help on them are either extending the elipse of the top of the gloves to x ray just a little bit, or giving a few little contour lines.

Should I be able to be able to draw a decent, simple pose from life before moving onto Bridgman? I feel like it's a bit out of my skill level.

>>6894951
>>6894973
proko drawing basics huh, alright ill start with that

>>6894956
Most of the "My first day of [thing]" is never really that, it's a way to do some humble brag, they usually had some mileage that "didn't count" because it wasn't "serious".
I know because there's a lot of stuff like that in sports.

>>6895872
>>6895884
That isn't my work. It is a figure study I am trying to study.

>>6895886
To me drawing from life is a lot more complicated than from reference. Bridgman has already done a lot of the work and presents relatively sketches. Both Marshall Vandruff and David Finch don't recommend it to absolute beginners, instead saying you ought to be able to handle basic construction and know a little bit of anatomy before jumping in. If you can break a pose from life into simple shapes with decent accuracy that's probably enough.

>>6895886
I don't think so. Bridgman drawings are sketches meant for leaning and already "pre-simplified". You should start from there, but you can do both as well.

>>6895911
Can I see your work?

>>6895168
It becomes easier once you understand how the deltoid, latissimus, pecs and clavicle interact when the arm is raised
pic rel helped me understand the armpit
for books: anatomy for sculptor and morpho
lessons: scott eaton and wil weston

hello krenzbros, i'm almost at the end.
i felt the quality drop hard on these after a few, also my initial cubes are still pretty dogshit.

>>6895870

>>6895902
>>6895911
I see. Is there any good resource that teaches the breaking into shapes part well? I did Dodson, but it's still something I struggle with.

Anybody know this artist's socials?
This channel just reposts shit and doesn't credit.
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNMfPcua/

>>6895960
and here are figures copy-paste-transformed from those parts.

>>6895919
Of my Bridgman studies?
Sure, here's a portion of what I did. It's too big for this site, and if I capture everything it would make everything too small.

>>6895960
>>6895968
Damn, I'm very envious of you, you did some really nice stuff.
I assume this is a Krenz's course?
What do you think so far, do you think you are improving?

>>6894715
Hello frens

>>6895870
>Can somebody help me break this down in simple shapes that look 3d
It arleady were but ok

>>6896017
Newfriend should have clarified that's not his artwork.

>>6896020
>Newfriend should have clarified that's not his artwork.
yeah, i realized it wasn't, but it's still made out of simple shapes, so

I'll try to draw my wife in 30 min.
ready... go!
(btw this is 1 min.)

>>6896075
step 2
(pls tell if I'm doing something wrong)

think they're mostly correct

>>6896087

>>6895964
I did how to draw comics the marvel way, tried a few other ones like proko's "robo-bean". I've also picked up smaller ideas like I saw this sort of idea of the major masses of the leg following these alternating angles, which has helped me.

>>6896083
step 3
(iwnmi)

Can you criticize my linework? Where can I improve at my lineart?

>>6896094
step 4
(it's over...)

does anyone have refs of in perspective sleeves like >>6895546 but closer to the wrist ? i try to flare them or leave them hanging and it always looks weird like this

>>6896119
stemp 5
(HELP)

>>6896140
(forgt pic)

>>6896112
I think you might need to build some spacial reasoning. Few things I see at a glance:
Where you have a heavy line contouring her breast, think about the grid of the fibers of her shirt. Her breast is stretching them, and they will follow the curvature of it, before relaxing back to straight up and down. So the outside line of her breast should stay to the outside. Because you have it going to the middle of her torso, it looks unnatural. Same thing happens with the forearm to our left.
Her shorts also look like they're supposed to be squishing her thigh down but on the thigh down. You did a decent job with the leg to our left, but the right one it gradually thickens instead of immediately bulging out like something normally would. There's some more stuff like the elipses on the drink being sloppy and no indication of the material of her shorts having any thickness.

>>6895787
I did try Bridgeman though, It seems like it's not working because you're complaining about it. I like long thin legs, so could you show how you'd apply it specifically to my drawing.

>>6896141

>>6896075
>>6896083
>>6896094
>>6896119
>>6896141
k.

>>6896150
>Bridgeman
Kill yourself. Also the video I linked is in a series about Bridgman, but the specific video is not about him.

Another one hour study, this fucker spent weeks painting the same portrait only to scrap it up before the finish.

>>6896160
Yes, Marshall is talking about simple shapes using briidgeman as an example. Again, I watched the video and wasn't too helpful for me. Since you seem to understand it so well, I want you to demonstrate what you learned in my painting. If it is as simple as you say, it should be easy for you.

>>6896168
Well, let's see the figures you've constructed first, since that's what this was all about.

>>6896168
nta buy holy fucking shit anon. People aren't required to give you redlines, and if you act like this who will want to? When you say, "I did try Bridgman and it didn't work for me" that's meaningless and it sounds like an excuse. "Doing Bridgman" means studying proportions, perspectives, and shapes of the figure using Bridgman. Your problem is mainly proportion and perspective

What if you tried to make some changes based on feedback and post it instead?

>>6895960
What are you going through? Is it the stuff posted on asgg.notion.site?

>>6896137
Looks really good! Is his hand the wrong way though?
I think it's not necessarily about perspective. It's about understanding the surface of the arm reaching forward. If his hand is somewhat raised from the wrist/lower arm, there should be a fold that shows that "upper wrist" indent. I suck at folds myself, but if you study their mechanics (anatomy is kinda important too) you'll know how to place them in these situations.

I was cruising the last 5 or so days on my beginner art journey but I started browsing more of the board and, simply put, I was really overwhelmed with resources and "the right way" to do things. I'm still determined to make it but is there truly a bad resource, or are people just picky with what they liked and didn't like?

>>6896205
Different teachers and methods resonate with different people better. What are you going through?

>>6896183
Heres my construction. only real thing I did to mess with it just of now was change the kid's foot. I've practiced Marshall's videos before, but I thought it looked all right before you mentioned problems.

>>6896185
I did though, I tried shortening her legs a bit and moving the ground plane. That doesn't seem to fix the issue for anon so I'm asking him for a follow up. He's not obligated to help me, but that doesn't prevent me from asking more questions if I'm still confused and having trouble.

polish that turd boy

>>6896215
Anon, I cannot wait for you to choke on a dick and die, you insufferable faggot.

>>6896143
Thanks. I'll do another pass.

>>6896215
Jesus Christ he doesn't know what construction is.

>>6896224
Calm down there son. Show me a rough doodle of what you're wanting changed, or if you dont feel like drawing for me, give me a clear concise things to change verbally and I'll come back later.

>>6896215
your art is fine you just need more fundies ignore the seethe.

This dude's head is so far up his ass.

>>6896238
Start from finding a canon of proportions you like, and constructing figures while paying attention to adhering to them. If you've spent any time on this general you've probably seen the shapes people like to construct out of, if not do some searching and try different ones out.

>>6896249
Nice copypasta. I can see that you're not intent on actually giving me advice that's specific to my art. I thought that politely asking and following your advice would have worked, but it seems like I'll have to go somewhere else. Thank you for your time though, I appreciate it.

>>6896256
>but it seems like I'll have to go somewhere else.
THANK YOU

>>6896256
Sorry anon here's a redline please don't leave me.

>>6896215
It's not that bad anon. Ignore the crabs and keep drawing. Perspective and some minor proportion issues. The positioning of the boy is the biggest issue with the piece. Where he's standing in your original he should look like he's right next to her. The perspective is weird there. Consider moving him either diagonally forward and to the right, or backward more.

>>6896185
You're replying to a thick headed permabeg.
Yes, someone was bothered enough, to then write all this, regarding that nigger; read and weep.
>>6886778

>>6896289
fuck, thanks anon. wasted my breath and time

>>6896274
Nice! This is more helpful. I'll try these tips out and post later. Thank you!

>>6896274
>keep drawing
He's been drawing for nearly a decade... And is still stuck on this level. And as seen in this thread, refuses any posts that doesn't suck his chink cock.
Gabe is at least self-aware that he sucks, and cris is a funny spic lolcow, but this case here is just terrible.

>>6896300
anon, this is also me >>6896185
it really is your attitude and approach. Please. Don't be a dick and don't feed others bullshit, too. Let's just keep drawing.

>>6896302
>>6896289
LOL. But AI threads don't get deleted :^)

>>6896303
That's basically what I asked for at the beginning, but you kept dodging around and being vague. If you had wrote "lengthen the arms" change the position of the boy back into space, then I would've gotten what you meant much sooner. I'm not sure how politely asking for specific advice is somehow a bastard thing to do.

>>6896307
I wasn't the other anon who responded to you. I only said this >>6896185
Dude. Stop.

>>6896305
What was it?

>>6896344
it's all bullshit, move on and draw anon

>>6896215
I don't like the hands and feet, but you're pretty competent otherwise

>>6895683
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Are the classic books that get posted here intended for people who aspire to have some sort of mastery of realistic drawing? I'm confused because I see anthro/anime artists on twitter whose (fairly simple, in comparison) work I enjoy and I would guess maybe 1% of them have learned from a tome like that.

>>6896312
>>6896185
Is that what anons expect? That every critique gets taken into account and then applied to an already finished drawing?

>>6896392
get good at drawing anime by drawing anime
fundamentals apply to any style, though

>>6896394
No. I could give a fuck about that drawing in particular. I was trying to give you advice of things to practice in general.

>>6896392
I guarantee you 90+% of those artists can draw "realism" competently

I'm looking for books on aesthetics and related topics. Any recommendations?
I once tried asking on /lit/ but people derailed the thread into a discussion about dicks.

>>6896405
>books on aesthetics
what do you mean? like books on a particular era or style?

tried still life for the first time anything welcome

>>6896409
Nice work, try to keep your shapes more defined though.
Rather than paint one shape across the other paint within the shapes to keep your edges clean

>>6895312
It's just a page

>>6896392
The stuff in the links above are hardly advanced. They're more like "elementary" school level of drawing.

>>6894715
is guptill watercolor buck actually good? never heard of this guy, this whole thread reeks of illusion

>>6896194
i wanted to see stylized versions of them, i know ive seen great shapes before where they wrap around the wrist real dynamically but i always forget to save those

>>6894835
Second attempt. It feels less demoniac than before. Also, I just noticed that the brush size I was using earlied made my drawing harder than it needed.
At least, I can gasp by eye where the proportions seems wrong by now. I'll try this reference one more time. Any tips for making the face alright?

>>6896409
the shadow and background looks really strikingly colorless that's the thing I don't like

>>6896435
I'm "eh" about Guptill. He comes from the era where people mostly just drew what they saw. Not good for comics or drawing from imagination

>>6896435
never heard of any of the books tb h. think op is just trying to be hipster

Sup beg, today i managed to draw only little so i had to clone the dude to fill the canvas.

>>6896409
research smudge / blender tool and you will be painter in no time
>>6896405
you probably mean composition. there are 9999 books about that. Or you mean design which is also very broad topic. See
>pawell2418.github.io/library.html?tags=~design
and pick your own poison
>>6896392
realistic drawings are mostly drawing from observation: a reference. Any beg book will teach you that like Keys to Drawing. After that it is all about mastering your medium and being very patient while you render tiny shadow gradients in charcoal. Give a try to Bargue Drawing Course and or Proko courses. Proko specializes in drawing high details figures
>>6896205
people are picky. all paths leads to the canvas in the end. you can check my blog for wisdom where i reviewed the beg and perspective books which everybody should do imho
>>6896167
inaccurate and very beg
>>6895960
i kneel
>>6895886
yes. if you dont have observation, accuracy and perspective down then figure drawing will most likely kill you
>>6895823
it is like 90% the same thing
>>6895813
drawing anything without reference is super hard. dont expect fast gains
>>6895768
if you can draw then medium doesnt matter. if you cannot draw not even digital tools will save you
>>6895732
simple, cute, soul
>>6895699
i fucking KNEEL
>>6895617
cute
>>6895293
by drawing (from reference)
>>6895160
library.lol/main/918A63613E11303AE2F08FD036D1230D
>>6895089
since i left primary school? once. But apart from annoying parts like eraser and getting dirty hands its the same as digital
pawell2418.github.io/?tags=~trad

>>6895989
yes, i think i've improved compared to when i started it but there are some things that still filter me like the rotations, cars, and shoes. he presents some standard perspective drawing ideas but also combines it with a shape-based approach that i haven't read elsewhere before. at minimum i've learned some tools for doing perspective studies.
>>6896187
yes
>>6896459
thanks

>>6896436
Look up pictures of Fubuki and Tatsumaki from OPM (the manga would probably be best, but the anime and some fanarts are good too you’ll just have to dig more), they both wear semi flared long sleeves and are frequently drawn in dynamic poses with their hands facing viewer.

>>6896459
why are you doing blooks if you can already do this kind of stuff? You can jump to Figure Drawing for all it's worth. I give you my permission :)

Hampton is good too. Might be a good fit for your very regimented style of practice

>>6896408
>>6896459
Aesthetics in the study of beauty and the philosophy of art.

Day 5 of learning the basics n whatnot. I decided to keep practicing the same stuff today before continuing on to the other vids in the Proko Course; line confidence, values, sketching, etc. Some from ref and some from imagination. Today was really rough though. Everything I did just felt off, you know? My lines and values are usually messy, but they just felt even more crap today. The shoes especially filtered me. I just couldn't get the right shapes no matter how hard I tried, so i kept getting frustrated. The imagination values i did for the cubes were also crap, so I moved on to some orb circle things. Hopefully tomorrow feels better.

Anyone know where I can get the Proko basics course for free?

>>6896586
proko is a hack

>>6896586
Ask your mommy for money

>>6896590
>>6896616
Found it on my own. Kill yourselves, you annoying, drooling retards.

hmm today i will practice drawing butts

>>6896619
have fun wasting your life on that trash

>>6896625
hmm today i will do your mom

>>6896627
not if i fuck her first

>>6896438
Third attempt. I'm messing the head all the time.
Enough for today. I shall sleep.

For the past week I have been learning purely by "just draw lol" but I would like to supplement it with some daily study of fundamentals, any recommended free online resources for this? Like something I can just work through step by step until eventually I have all the basics down.

Lotta Begs this time around with potential. Keep it up, bros.

>>6896640
Thank you. I'll try as much as my tired body can.

>>6896438
>face
don't just measure the silhouette, measure internal details too
in this case the position, size, angle of the face parts

i wish i had fellow beg friends that drew. imagine the GAINS

>>6896656
be friends with yourself anon

>>6895870
Here is my attempt. Why does it look like complete and utter shit?

>>6896656
just find friends here bwo...

I am basically just gonna Croquis until I can do it from memory, bros
https://i.imgur.com/a11W1Bm.png

>>6896259
>>6896224
imagine being this buthhurt, the cope and seethe must be immeasurable

>>6896215
>>6895591

>>6896702
is it really that easy? that kinda gives me hope for when I actually learn rendering after my fundies are solid

>>6896702
>>6895219

>>6896703
47:27
https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?si=41YHOKN_KKXVhr13&t=2847

>don't pick up a pencil for a while.
>try to not strengthen features and weaken jaw.
>degrade and flatter different areas subconsciously.
Bros...

>>6896708
get that schizo out of my FACE

Thoughts? 0 studies so far, I plan on starting some video course or a book.

>>6896569
Where did you get his course? Did you pay for it or did you sail the high seas?

Tried constructing a pose idea for something. What the fuck am I doing.

>>6896640
Like who? Name names please.

>>6896810
Pawell

>>6896810
this guy >>6896459

Just finished this, took me 3 weeks from conception. Looking for opinions on the general style, texturing, etc.
https://files.catbox.moe/rbp4e3.png
>>6896756
Not a bad start for zero studies. You show a decent understanding of color and value.

>>6896633
>>6896438
I'm also going through a similar exercise. Some things that might help you
>use a thinner brush
>don't rush your lines, try to really capture the angles and draw them as straight as you can
>establish some vertical and horizontal guideline/s so that you have something to compare your diagonals with
>go from big shapes to smaller shapes

>>6896817
Seperate you foreground middleground and background more.
Use bigger shapes to define them.
Always go from big shapes and then refine them more and more.
The tail thing around the rock could use more light because it dissapears into the rock otherwise.
Not sure what the yellow thing is.
Biggest issue is seperating things in your piece.
Good stuff, keep it up!

>>6896817
Kinda messy to be honest
>>6896942
This is good advise but the original's colors are better to be honest,

try focusing on values, if I blur my eyes even slightly I can't make out anything except the moon. Even looking at it clearly and zooming in it's hard to tell what's happening, use lighting to differentiate the shapes, worry about compositing effects/textures after getting a solid thumbail

>>6896761
can you share top right sarada ref?

>>6896989
Yeah here.

>>6896918
>all those lines for a cartoon dog
is this practice just teaching you have to perfectly copy something?

>>6897118
>>6897118
>>6897118
>>6897118

>>6896016
hello fren, here's some adjustments I would make. keep it up

>>6895021
...Interesting eyes.

>>6895021
Just sketches but genuinely, lovely work

>>6897325
Haha i did notice the giraffe neck but it was too late then
Thanks for the feedback